Ocarina of Time Speedrunner Accidentally finds Massive Glitch
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- Опубликовано: 11 фев 2024
- Zelda: Ocarina of Time speedruns were changed forever in January 2024, when an accidental discovery when investigating a glitch completely obsoleted a speedrun route that lasted 12 years. Goodbye Ganondoor. Hello Ganonfloor.
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Edited by @SeedyZ
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During the production of this video, it was discovered this glitch can lead to wrong warp chaining on the Gamecube version ruclips.net/video/VHSClx5n9g4/видео.htmlsi=9QMAzfL0tKzwGEDN This discovery will lead to an even faster route for Defeat Ganon, as well as other categories. Keep an eye out for a video from DannyB
Cool
Ok
It so f**k ridiculous new glitch but ggs it’s joever!
😮 things are moving really fast
I love that no matter how insane a route is, there's always some other thing to discover and blow everybody's minds.
13:44 I love how he casually says "Next is a tricky part", as though everything that has been done so far has seemed perfectly reasonable.
As someone who has been watching OT speedruns for over 15 years and know the explanation behind most of the glitches, nothing seemed unreasonable to me. It may seem very complicated for someone new to the community, but for experienced runners and followers it's not hard to follow.
@@Accrovideogames AKSHUALLY 🤓
@@Accrovideogames "by doing an incredibly precise setup and involving many pause buffered frame perfect inputs, where you have to make adjustments based on certain visual queues, you can hit this skulltula with a stick at just the right time, then you backwalk between the skulltula's corpse before it disappears so link can clip out of bounds"
-nothing unreasonable
@@DarkLeviathan8 Between pause buffering inputs, tricks to guarantee your position and angle, and a 20FPS framerate you can very reliably be frame perfect in OoT.
@@DarkLeviathan8 Humans are terrifying creatures. People who say computers can ever outmatch us are just wrong, straight up.
A computer once did a perfect original Mario speedrun. It took less than a month for speedrunners to match it's frame-perfect inputs.
For someone only vaguely familiar with glitchy speedruns, it’s really amusing to hear the unbroken route explained because each next step sounds like such a spontaneous asspull spoken with such matter-of-factness.
YOU HAVE TO DO IT ON A GREEN FRAME
Ahh yes glitchy speedruns, as straight forward as Rockwell Retro Encabulators.
You have to do a triple frame-perfect Super-Mega-Extended-Giga-Massive-Assbounce, or SMEGMA for short, in order to get one green rupee. This green rupee will be instrumental in the world record speedrun as it shaves 2 frames off the final time.
@@stavvik2217lmaooo
any run that includes memory manipulation usually has completely random "BS" actions you have to take to have a successful run.
This is why I never believe those annoying videos that say "THIS is why speedrunners will NEVER beat this run!!"
Even accidents end eras.
Many parents know that accidents end eras
The Feels is Real. @@Forwaken
I always say that if the cure to cancer would solve 3 minutes in a speedrun, it would have been found by now.
To be fair, those videos are probably correct *IF* you have to use the route they did. It takes a route-breaker to beat some records.
My favorite accidental skip find is in metal gear solid found by a random streamer
Ganonfloor: It's over, Ganondoor! I have the low ground!
Ganondoor: You underestimate my power!
@@davidburton4836Ganonfloor: Don't try it
I haven’t watched the video yet. I’ve never been more intrigued
Just when I thought my sense of humour couldn’t sink any lower
@@deadfr0g Good! Use those ashamed feelings boy, let the cringe flow through you.
It's amazing how fast the Gannonfloor glitch has progressed in such a short time. It's progressed so fast that even though this video was uploaded 2 hours ago, the route is already obsolete and the new route involves pausing once to get the right pixels, it involves the volume of the enemy music to be a certain value and the loading collision is easier to get to, being located just below one of the moving pillars
Does it still have to be Wii VC though?
that's fucking WILD
speedrunning glitch
@@psymar The new route that relies on enemy music volume is Gamecube exclusive
@@psymar It doesn't, no. This new version can only be done on the GameCube copy of the game. I can't remember why, but I think it was something to do with preventing a game crash?
My favorite speedrunning trope is when people find seemingly useless glitches then years later it turns out they’re actually crucial to the most insane skips that change the speedrunning community forever
same!
Especially one so random and arbitrary that a guy had to open up a memory viewer and say "Say...what if...." then 6 years later, a University is writing a new thesis paper on this game.
reminds me of the sm64 ttc upwarp being caused by a fucking cosmic ray
*changes the laws of physics*
"next is the tricky part"
😂😂
Classic oot
Imagine him saying that for each step. I can't 😂🤣
That's video games being infinite looping threads of code for you! The world of computer coding is, a bit wacky for what's hard and what's not
Can't wait for the next glitch: Ganonwindow
Go to Hyrule castle to meet Zelda, then just clip into the window to kill Ganondorf on the spot!
Ahh not again!
@@Fungo4 Isn't this canonically how the Child timelines go?
@@PikaFanboy Child Link is a speedrunner who uses time travel to cheat. He saved Hyrule in roughly a day and Termina in just three days.
Ganondoor was in deku tree
Ganonfloor was in dodongo cavern
therefore, the next glitch has to be in jabu jabu
Ganonfish maybe?
I love how a key component of the route is rushing to get there before it gets to nighttime
It may not be something that really affects good runs, since they're probably beyond needing to worry about that, but it just feels almost poetic to have a speed run have to worry about the passage of fictional, in-world time
When it said that I had a small bit of anxiety about the time crunch, then remembered this is a speed run, every moment is a time crunch. 😂
It's a speedrun, not "let-hyrule-suffer-for-a-day", smh
Eh, with how many times I've seen ZFG mess up a HESS or a WESS, even good runners will probably get a few resets from failing that part if it's actually super tight on time.
very majora's mask-esque
A 2nd dungeon route being faster than a 1st dungeon route? That's crazy.
It's extra funny since you have to go through the well.
Well the first dungeon route still requires going to kakariko so you might as well just beat the game while you're in the area
Just wait for 2030 when they realize that you can do a polycorruption inside ghommas boss fight but you have to bottle glitch with bugs to set it up. Ganonfloordoor galore
@@ipodman371 That might actually be possible, if not there, somewhere else in the game.
Exactly what i though myself during the explanations ! OoT getting crazier and crazier man
Classic ocarina of time having holes so big in memory you can create your own loading zone.
Its like Generation 1 Pokemon all over again
Check out the TAS-bot run for that game, where they literally program completely new content into the game WHILE IT IS RUNNING. OOT never dissapoints^^.
@@random.3665That one that ends with Link thanking the community? That was Hall of Fame for life material! So beautiful!
I love the "Since it is Ocarina of Time, obviously there is a way to work around that"
It's 100% true though. There's very few games that even remotely compete with the brokenness of OoT.
@@AtomicArtumas Mario 64 is a contender.
The next and final future breakthrough to happen in video games toy speed-running is when they found the vagina.
@@AtomicArtumasyou ever see Metroid NES or gen 1 pokemon?
@@superanimeniac Gen 1 Pokemon isn't that broken. You need to actively look for the bugs most of the time. I know it's called Gotta Catch Them All, but still, if you need to look for the bugs, it's not a broken game.
"I think you can see where this is going...?!" I dont have a single clue but i love every second of listening to it.
It's just crazy how oot speedrun never die even after 26 years
3 things are guaranteed: Death, taxes, and finding more timesave in OoT.
It's crazy how some people dont want to move onto the new games
@@jebronekitty oot is just that good
They just said no ACE because that did kill the game tbh and I agree. No reason to let it die after all these years.
bruh, thats the point of speedrunning, everyone plays the games they like the most, or have the most nostalgia for, or think is important, or has the least competition, etc. Everyone has "their game(s)" and that's a good thing. if everyone constantly moved onto the newest flavor of the month game speedrunning would be boring @@jebronekitty
The speed running community could probably cure cancer if we just called it a world record
I fear they'd any% it with the help of Canadian "health" "care". 🙈
@@c0d3warrior roflmaooo
you should be careful with the goal definition though. if "cure cancer" is interpreted as "make it so there is no cancer on this world", any% might be very detrimental for cancer patients
5:05 - Ah, MrCheeze was involved. MrCheeze was the one who figured out that Pokémon Stadium could be used for Arbitrary Code Execution on the N64.
Cool story bro
The same guy in a few years:
Robbing Fort Knox IRL using quantum mechanics
@@BoxBinary??? It's not a joke
@@BoxBinary Why are you here?
13:45 "Next, is a tricky part", me that has no clue how he got out of Kokiri Forest: Yes, yes, this does look tricky indeed.
the first part is actually better with navi dive but you need a shield for the second dive
I cant wait for ScottFalco to animate this.
His OoT and WW speedrun animations are several years old already but still very fun to return to every once in a while.
That and Terminal Montage
Anyone know those guys personally? I just want them to see your comment!
Speedrunning is insane with so many frame perfect inputs that are incredibly precise on the analogue stick too not just digital inputs
Honestly, most games are nowhere near as precise as N64 era games are. OoT in particular is just... special. Because it's THAT broken of a game when you start going off the main trail.
My man be describing the run like it's the big heist in a heist movie
The audience watching the video: 🍿😲
fr, this vid was OBSCENELY well edited
This is a very good format, and I'd love to watch more for other games.
Are there other RUclips channels you'd recommend to keep in touch with the news ?
Link: "You sonnuva bitch, I'm IN!
...the walls. Why am I in the walls??"
True. I didn't realize it while watching, but they really did do a pretty good job keeping the audience interested.
@@8BitFunJUST clear enough to explain every step to people who need a refresher on speed running, but also just technical enough that it doesn't spend too much time retreading old ground or explaining what most viewers would already know. It's also why the TAS and ZFG's randomizer runs are so good, you never feel lost cause they explain everything as if you're new but it fills up the time beautifully. and they never sound condescending about it. So it makes us feel like we too could pick up and try these out.
"the fastest method for obtaining bombchus on this method is skull push" well congratulations to like the two psychopaths that can pull it off regulalrly
"Quick somebody ask me for lotto numbers" had me rolling 😂
"Danny you had like 31 other exits you could have hit..."
9:12 "We're officially in a race against the sun"
I feel like something similar happens in the next game. Can't put my finger on it though
I understand none of these words.
I love the detailed route overview, down to the rupees even though as this video gets uploaded, that route is already outdated and replaced. Sorry LJ, OoT moves too fast.
I do love how this route encourages exploring much more of hyrule.
Finally, after 10000 years, it's time for Defeat Ganon runners to leave that damn forest again!
7:50 OMG SOMEONE KNOWS WHAT TRAILS IN THE SKY IS AAAAAAAAAA
My reaction
Same! I just got into the series these past 2 weeks. I'm on the finale chapter of SC right now, and I was just like... "No way this is too convenient"
I was shook
Insane that huge glitches and wrong warps are still being found 26 years later
how is that insane? it just means that the nintendo seal of quality is a big lie
I love speedrunning "trick" names. My favorite was "the full halfy," but "Gannonfloor" might be my new numero uno.
I remember stumbling into an OOT speed run stream right after the original gohma wrong warp was discovered. I don't recall if it was because I regularly watched the streamer's Wind Waker content, or if I discovered their channel that day due to the huge amount of viewers and later stuck around for the WW runs and time save hunts, as it was over a decade ago and my memory ain't what it used to be, but on that day my mind was blown. I thought that any% was solved, and there would probably be less than a minute to push the record down from there. Of course having just seen someone skip from the Deku Tree to the collapse maybe someone would figure out a credits warp, but as far as the game ending with the defeat of Ganon, I figured it was "solved" and with such a short run the high level players would probably start hitting tied WRs and the wrong warp would be split off into its own category in order for runners to continue improving the classic any% route, lest the wrong warp be the death of any% now that it was essentially "solved."
Ah, how wrong I was. Turns out the wrong warp route still had room for some time saving breakthroughs that, over time, pushed the already ridiculously low time far lower than I thought possible. Leave it to N64 speed runners to come up with the craziest things. Impossible may as well not be in their vocabulary.
And now we have this. A new, faster wrong warp that shakes things up massively yet again. Could this lead to runners beating Ganon so fast that it crashes Paper Mario?
I reject your loading zones and substitute my own
If speedrunning had an official logo, it should be a side profile silhouette of young link thrusting his kokiri sword into ganon's face.
your videos are so well researched and easy to follow, great job as always!
nicely done! Love that you had your research/script reviewed by the expert, that's some professional shit!
This is simply amazing. Always in awe whenever there’s new glitches/ways to improve speed runs. Love the speed running gaming community. Can’t wait to see what’s the new WR!
Oh boy how'd we break it this time
I've decided "thoroughly" is a satisfying answer
Huh. Even though you’re intended to beat Ganon as an adult, there are still animations for when you beat Ganon as a child.
it's actually just the same animation mapped onto child Link's body. It could have been coded in a way that *doesn't* work, but since child and adult share many animations they're written to be generic to save both programming hassle and memory probably. Child Link doesn't properly stab Ganon in the face because his limbs are too short
Honestly, with how the game is set up, the biggest oddity is actually that Master Sword uses the same modelstate as Kokiri Sword in normal gameplay. Meanwhile the state of the "pulling mastersword cutscene"(yes, this makes swinging the sword around look very silly) that is used in the only short duration MS is equipped to Young Link is actually internally assigned to Biggoron Sword.
"Next is a tricky part" and im like, i couldnt even memorize what you said before 😂
Honestly, the most surprising part of this route to me is that it's apparently faster to do a bunch more tricks in the bottom of the well to get a shield from the chest
than just gathering some more rupees in the intro to buy one when you get the sticks
It's because you also need the chus. The "fast" method there is only like 20-30 seconds at most, which is way faster than gathering the extra rupees since kokiri has no decent money routes for child. It's probably a bit closer for the non-clip method, but the clip method is what anyone serious will be doing since vine clips really aren't that hard to do.
Likely also accounts for the 2 deku sticks you need to buy as the only other way to get them is to get the sword to kill a stunned Deku baba. Getting 60 rupees would take very long and since you don't go near the Deku Tree, you won't come across sticks naturally. Hence getting it this way.
Nice Video.
Also love the Trails in the Sky OST in the back.
Brilliant video Lunatic! Super informative and its amazing to see how much Defeat Ganon No SRM has changed over the years, I remember thinking the category wouldn't get any faster than the GIM and Instaclip route!
this is a perfect video to introduce me to this channel, because i have basically no in-depth oot knowledge but got hooked by the Ganonfloor discovery and how it's literally the tried and true practice of throwing code at a wall until somehow it all clicks into place, but with glitches
i love speedrunning videos like this celebrating the community and the little parts that make it click, and im excited to see more like this!!
2012: Ganondoor
2024: Ganonfloor
2034: Ganonwalls
2044: Ganonceiling
2054: Ganonhouse
1:34 i love the song inside the deku dree!
every song and sound of this game is amazing
I just suddenly had a nostalgia to ocarina of time's liminality feeling in the dungeons, and suddenly this video pops out! Love it
you guys are something. Thank you for this video. I am not a speedrunner but I like such technical videos about games.
Gl for you guys beating the records
Eventually there will be a way to force this sort of cloning and memory manipulation earlier and earlier, until you win in the forest itself by forcing a dramatic wrongwarp. Even so, I love the explanation involving multiple frame-perfect tricks chained back to back with no retry aside from resetting the game said so casually. Speedrunners, you know? :D
I'm not gonna lie, the most surprising part of this video for me was when you whipped out Sophisticated Fight from Trails in the Sky. XD
THANK YOU I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE I HEARD IT FROM
@@SoggieWafflz aaah, if only he took the time to note on the video what music plays each time... :p
Had to look for this comment before I said it myself. :P
Very nice video! Good pacing, nice information. Well spoken and relaxing to watch!
I can't explain why, but (even when not running the game myself) I love when a run get's cracked wide open. It's incredible to see when communities work towards a common goal. Gives some hope and restores some faith in humanity. Also seeing the excitement that ensues afterwards is heartwarming for me.
Great video for the latest WiiVC route.
Now review the new variation that uses the Gamecube version and the enemy volume manip :Kappa:
9:50 - Anju swooning over the raw vigor of LunaticJ's speedrunning prowess.
You heartbreaker, you
That's cuccoo lady. Anju is in MM.
I remember when the warp was found, when people found a way to descend the tower. I remember the at the time, Cosmo explanations, it was so cool to watch. Cant believe a new crazier run is now possible.
Great video btw.
Having Dannyb proof read your research is dope. I love how authentic you guys are in the speedrunning community.
Can't wait for the terminalmontage clip for this :D
For the record that's a fantastic thumbnail
I love these little documentaries. Subscribed.
What a great video! Wonderfully comprehensive and educational!
BRO ! In this game too ?! They have discovered a new materia duplication in Final Fantasy 7, you can even duplicate KOTR lol.
As someone who does not have the brain whatsoever for speedrunning, "here is a tricky part" had me thinking "THATS the only thing you think is tricky??"
Absolutely not lol. It took me over an hour to get skull push the first time
@@LunaticJIt took me much longer than that just to do vine clip, which is apparently a much easier method 😅
Very interesting analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
Learned about this on a ZFG stream a week or two ago, Im hyped to finally see a well produced vid on it
You know those Dorkly videos about speed run tricks. Are anything but parodies at this point.😅
I'm thinking of the "Something about game" series. I'm sure they're working on the "Something about ganonfloor" animation as we speak. The Tears of the Kingdom one was SO funny with Link getting all the spirits before Rauru even finishes his speech and being told "He's already on his way to Ganon now....". Also that "EXCUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSE ME *zip*" part in the beginning!
RIP to my older brother Phil ❤ 1989-2016 I have no idea how you beat all of Ocarina and Majora with no internet and no RUclips back in 1999-2000. I think he had the thick ass strategy guide book though. I might be able to find it in his old bedroom closet
Incredible. Excellent video thanks for sharing!
I never thought I would see the day where cloning a whole room three times and making a loading zone on a floor would not only be viable, but shatter the DG% speed run record.
"If you use dynapoly corrption at the deku scrub room exactly 4 times while frame perfect item swapping on the loading zone when you load it the 3rd time to manipulate the wrong warp destination, then backstep while throwing out deku nuts at the precise angle and then backflip before killing this skulltula at the top of Deku Tree, it will cause the new-found glitch 'Skull Push Extended Super Slide (SPESS)' to push you into the roof of gohma's boss room which causes the wrong warp to teleport you to ganon. This new run is called the Ganonroof and completely makes Ganondoor and Ganonfloor obsolete!" - OoT Speedrunning in 2026, probably
I was a worryingly long way into this before I realised it wasn't actually real.
Then you hear people say gamers are stupid. Gaming communities have the most insane brains, they even have to create a custom vocabulary for us to follow their reasonings.
ngl the thumbnail is genius
Your speed run coverage videos are the best
imagine how much more massive this discovery would be if SRM was never discovered
I mean the ACE category is dead anyway. A lot of people agree that warping into credits is just lame, but still is technically any%
Inb4 someone makes a new record today
This is everything I love about speedrunning. A strong development that drastically advances a specific run or category, a combination of different people pushing boundaries over years, and an accidental uncovering of a decades-old hidden value.
it fills my heart with joy to see my favourite game of all time still amazing people and having such a great speedrunning community. 200k+ views on quite new video is nuts and you deserve it for putting together such a well done video with explanations that, even tho i watch speedruns, a noob like me can get behind. thank you very much everyone
If you fire a bunch of atoms at a plate with a single atom-sized hole in it, there's this very small chance that there may be a speedrunner exploiting bits in Ocarina of Time at the other side...
Now to discover Ganonelectroor within Jabu-Jabu's Belly.
Man this was tense when I was watching dannyb try to get it a day or two after discovery. Every single time he'd get to DC right as it turned night time and he'd have to restart the run. So cool to see it's finally been pulled off in a new WR run
Great video
I love the in depth explanation
wake up babe, new ganonfloor just dropped
Damn
Great video. RIP Ganondoor, you'll be missed 😞
Ganondorf watching a random child appear out of thin air and kick his ass with a stick.
"ganondoor" has me cackling incoherently
Last time I came this early for anything my gf broke up with me
As somebody who has been watching speed runs since AGDQ 2012, I am blown away by the ingenuity of speedrunners and glitch hunters, this is truly hilariously coincidental, and amazing. I cannot wait to see this new route be optimized!
Great video! Very well explained!
You still say "My dough". It's "Me Dough". It's short for midori. A green color in Japanese.
If you're gonna beat the game as quickly as possible with glitches, just smash the game cartridge with a hammer.
this is... a dumb take?
7:53 I was not expecting to hear a trails song in this video but I'm glad I did lol
What song is it??
Sophisticated Fight from Trails in the Sky@@JadeJuno
@@user-ep5pf4hb3q right, I forgot to edit my message 'cause I noticed immediately after making that comment that it says so right there in the video 😅
😂I would highly recommend playing the trails games. I only got into them last year and they have some of the best worldbuilding in any game series I've ever played@@JadeJuno
way back in 2012 when the wrong warp was found ... is when i got hooked on OOT speedrunning .... did it for like... 2 years ish... but then moved on to more casual games..... this video... made me feel like i was 13 again .. when i picked up speedrunning... i dont know why... but ... i might come back to it now ... cus .. this is ... DOPE!
meow
And how is this "accidental"?
I have been both an obsessed Triforce hunter and a glitch master for almost a decade following the game's release. Gosh, now they made a legit Triforce% run and I'm totally outdated on glitch mastery. It's incredible how much people love that game and poured their soul in it, a quarter of a century after its release. It's not even the same generation that continues our work now from where we left. But don't worry, we never really left either :) #HereTogether
Respect for that Trails in the Sky OST, it's awesome and games are absolutely fantastic. Great video too!
I really like the video but I don’t feel the title doesn’t justice at all. Saying something like “Ocarina of Time speedrunner finds glitch that changes speedrun forever” would do a much better job at doing it justice
7:53 bro, Sophisticated Fight starting up whiplashed me so hard.
Trails is such a good series
This is so cool! Its awesone that these old games still have undiscovered tricks. Just like how carpetless was discovered like a year ago
Oot is my favorite game of all time never got into speed running but I love watching it as a spectator it's mind blowing and keeps my favorite game always interesting
"Dynapoly Corruption Wrong Warping".
The name alone is just mind blowing. The people who worked on this discovery should be very proud.