Porsche 911 992 GTS, amazing or more a cold filet-o-fish?
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- Porsche have been pumping out incredible GTS model over the last few years, now we have the 992 GTS, does it step up to the plate or is it a cold Filet-o-fish?
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Nick, you're wrong about the GTS not being technically different from the S. The GTS gets a bespoke tuned chassis with the Turbo's rear helper springs. It also gets the Turbo's brakes.
You made S owners worldwide feel warm inside with this video.
A solid 5/10 this video 😄
You got a shout out the latest SavageGeese 911 Turbo review haha
Lol ya I busted out laughing when they said that
Gonna have to go watch that now...
Good video . Those guys do a good job .
Nick you sure did!!
Yeah flattering pic of Nick too
I absolutely love my GTS, it’s a lifer
Is it PDK or Manual?
@@JUFFAIR101 PDK - awaits the tribal responses 🤣
I agree completely, I have owned 7 911,s over the last 10 years , my current 911 is a hi spec 992c2s which I love , I had a 991.2 GT3 before and it’s fantastic but not a daliy, I had a 992 GTS to drive a few weeks ago and couldn’t find any more power ? It had only traveled 250km so may be it needed more time to shine ! But I prefer my S as it has lower suspension sports crono sport exhaust etc and drive very very fast indeed?
Here in Germany some people now bought the 911 992 GT3 and this model is a really beast. It looks so great (with or without the spoiler) and it drive so good. It is totally in the middle of a GT3RS and a GT2RS. I hope you have a chance to test it. Have a nice day!
Another truly brilliant review . The best Porsche reviews globally thanks Nick 🙏🏻🙏🏻
I would've happily bought a 992 GTS with the 4.0L NA engine and less HP than what they're offering. I'm with Nick and the "less is more approach." I even think my 992 Carrera has too much power to really wring out and enjoy sometimes. I'm really really hoping they offer a Carrera T with the 4.0L and a manual transmission. 🤞
No chance of that!
Never going to happen with emission regulations around the world. Also a ‘cheap’ manual GTS with NA engine would smash the gt3 touring sales.
I am sure that's exactly what the 911T will be. Andreas Preuninger stated at the 718 gt4/spyder launch at Goodwood, that the Gt4 motor "will be in something else" It cost too much money to design and build to not use it more. Also that it is a super clean motor and will pass EU smog regs for years to come. the only car that would make sense is a T. So save some money Ryan.
@@blairpringle2475 unfortunately, Dr Frank-Steffen Walliser has stated it definitely won't ever be fitted in a 911. It will only go in Boxster and Cayman models.
the high-minded, men of many fancy words at the big car mags and blogs have never, ever come up with such Shakespearean-level genius as comparing a car to a cold Filet O Fish! Bravo!!!
Always straight to the point, love it. Came for the M4 stayed for the Porsche. Thanks Nick!
These reviews are great! Honest and real life situations for choosing options.
Porsche: "Stock just went down again because of Nick Murray!"
Totally agree. Rob Ferreti (sp?) showed the special lug wrench needed for the center lug nut wheels on his rental Ferrari. It was enormous, he could barely lift it! But it actually was stored in the trunk (and took up a huge amount of space).
Enormous? Come on. You need to tighten 600nm. Mine goes to 800nm and while it is a bit long it's not too heavy. Swapping wheels would be a lot easier than 5-lugs if it wasn't for the cleaning and re-applying of alu paste. It's totally worth it though, with the peace of mind of not ever worrying of having a loose wheel after swapping pads on the track or similar.
Used to have the Same opinion (same as Nick) about GTS trim till I moved from 991.1S to a 991.1 GTS.. totally different car. Even had it checked out by dealer because of how different/better it drove. Was worried Previous owner added aftermarket bits. Better steering, better traction, better sound especially near redline (compared to 991.1 S with SC)
I totally agree I was exactly the same, PDK is far sharper that the last 991 c2s I had. Much prefer the NA engine to the 3.0T
The 3.8l turbo s engine isnt trash! It sounds better than the 991.2 and also better than the normal 911, 992 Modells! It also feels fantastic and everything, you have to try it out
Tremendously helpful. Thanks Nick.
I bought a 991.2 4GTS in a lovely metallic grey-blue. And it is fantastic. Having compard it to a 992S, the GTS is superior in every way. Read the reviews on RUclips. Over the moon and right on.
what did it have that the S din't have?
@@ak203 991.2 model 2018, the GTS has more HP than the S, 450 to 420, and more torque. Wide body only, with more aggressive styling, it goes 0 to 100 kph in 3.6 seconds. It is 2 cm lower than the standard 911 with PASM and PDCC, turbo wheels with center lock in black, sports chrono package. Porsche throws a lot of its best options at the GTS which makes it a bargain, for Porsche. Generally it is a more luxurious car, with more features standard. An S+, between the S and the Turbo.
Like others have said, the turbo derived sport suspension, helper springs and turbo steel brakes are worth some extra $$$ in your calculations. 👍 😊
Do no forget, the chassis from the turbo too.
You're a unicorn in the Porsche buyer's circle Nick.
At least in my area, most are 65+ and spring for the highest badge tier they can afford. Then they drive under the speed limit on the seaside causeway.
Sounds like 99%
My theory is that they realized a badass NA gts would be the only Carrara anyone would want.
had a 991.1. just not that fast. Nice car but really nothing that quick
@@02hreblue30 old 718 GTS vs 4.0 are similar power but for some reason people prefer the latter one.
For a brand that's built its reputation around racing and sports cars, Porsche sure does shy away from producing the best sports cars they can build and then selling them in high volume.
Anyone, meaning you. Turbo GTS is awesome.
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“Give me that filet o fish.. give me that fish”
i feel better about my lowly S now
@@doug350zTT l feel better about buying that Fillet-of-Fish back in January when they were ON SALE!
you were about togo on a rant about alcantara but you decided to not go there haha. I feel you though
Alcantara is horrible for daily cars. I have DINAMICA (mercedes version of Alcantara) on my C Coupe steering wheel and it gets absolutely ruined after only a few thousand miles of "daily driving." One rainy day with wet hands and ur entire steering wheel gets ruined
I do not get the whole Alcantara deal. Looks nice on roof or leather and alcantara mix on seats. Give me leather on my steering wheel. Leather all way for me.
The Cayman GTS models are superb simply best car I have ever driven or owned........ On paper doesn't appear that much different but in reality damn its perfection..... I owned 458, Maserati GT, Ferrari F12, now GT2RS and drove seversl cars like Aventador GT3 and many others....... My favorite daily car from them all is 981 GTS, favorite weekend car is GT2RS
Hi Nick, thank you for sharing the info on the other GTS models. I am in complete 100% agreement on the shitty upgrades for the 992 GTS. I bought a 2016 991.1 GTS CAB. It was an amazing car because it was the last of the non-GT 911 cars. The sound was spectacular!!! Hated the center-lock “black” wheels. Had 3 nails in tires, (always a different tire). Mr. tire bought new parts to attempt to repair the wheel and 3 huge guys could not get the center-lock rim undone. So I patched the tire while on the rim. The other two nails in tires required the car to be flat-bed across town an hour away where Porsche made me buy new (and very expensive) tires. Unfortunately that car was totaled (hit head-on by a dually-pickup truck), a whole another story. I will never buy a Porsche again with black rims nor with center-lock rims. I ordered a 2019 991.2 Turbo S without center-lock rims and had to fight big time to not get the normal center-lock wheels. I bet that I am the only car like that. Had to go all the way up with senior Porsche leaders to get my configuration. It helped that this was my 17th Porsche. For the record the 991.1 GTS Cabriolet’s three airbags saved my life. Took me a year to recover from the accident to include leg, knee, neck & low back spinal surgeries. In 19 months only put on 1200 miles in my Guards Red 911 Turbo S. Best Porsche ever for me. Also looking to order a 718 SPYDER or 718 Boxster GTS. Want to get the NA engine and go back and for between the SPYDER and Turbo. PS: Race-deck / Alcontara
Nick I think you miss the point of the GTS ‘trim’ model IMHO. Because the options are ‘baked’ into the base price it works better on a lease / PCP plan because your don’t toast your $13-20k options during your ownership. The final value of the vehicle will still reflect the higher base spec. Thereby reducing your monthly cost for the popular options. Porsche would still like you to add some options that you buy/then they resell to next owner for extra profit. That is why the best value 911 is always a base Carrera with minimum options (and the purest feel).
A dealer called the other day, offering me an allocation on a 911 GTS. 10 % over MSRP. I declined, as I'm completely happy with my 992 S. The 4% discount I received when I ordered didn't seem that great at the time, but looking better all the time. Keep making great videos. Love them.
Maybe they will put the GTS 4.0 engine in a future T version? 🧐 They missed an opportunity! Totally agree
If they put it in a Carrera T, they can limited edition it and only make it available with the manual transmission.
Just traded my 991.2 GT3 for the 992 C4 GTS here in Vancouver. Next time you come up feel free to take it for a spin and review.
Totally agree about the Pan GTS. Absolutely love mine. As for the 992, I'd go S over GTS.
This guy makes sense in every sense!
I own a Carrera S, and I love it. It's the perfect car for me.
Outstanding Nick. Clearing up the waiting list fantasy and the GTS +/-. Super clear. Thx
How nice of William sharing his colour shampoo with his feeder.
I'm a new car dealer retired... I really like the way you strategize... I owned a 1978, 911 SC... Loved that car...
Totally agree! The Cayman GTS 4.0 is the only Porsche sports car I would purchase out of the entire current lineup.
Thank you Nick for once again affirming that the current Macan GTS offers the best value of the line.
Nick, I agree... after you have tested it for a few days 😉
I prefer the red tail lights.
Me everytime a new Nick Murray video comes out...
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The suspension is bespoke on the GTS. Its different than the S. It also has revised front and rear sway bars and has helper springs on the rear. Larger steel brakes taken from the Turbo model
Where did you get your facts from Nick?
Porsche needs to hire "Nick -Below Average- Murray" for 911 GTS development.
Don't forget to account for the fact that you get a full plastic interior. An S with Black and Red leather duo-tone interior is just shy of £500 in the UK but the same interior on a GTS is £3000 plus!
I wish Porsche would make the 944 again. As a kid I always wanted one. I could pick up one now. But with a crap full of miles and over 3 to 4 owners.
You missed the fact that it's a 911 turbo chassis and double-wishbone front suspension.
Thanks Nick, for driving so many away from the GTS...now hopefully I wont have to pay ADM!
Growing out your hair…this means the Taycan is coming!
the only honest review on youtube about new 911.
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The most exciting GTS Porsche currently makes is the 4.0L 718 models. Everything else is just lipstick on pigs.
Yep, the 718 Boxster GTS 4.0 and Cayman GTS 4.0 are great cars. Per Nick 4:14 "arguably the best car in the entire Porsche range". I agree
The 4.0 from the Gt3 takes the cake, not the 4.0 from the 718. All of their motors are awesome, even the 2.0 and 2.5 flat, don’t expect it to be exactly the same as the previous 6 cylinder because that’s clearly not what it is.
The 3.0 flat 6 is also a fantastic engine, you would know this if you’ve driven one before.
@@PapiAndrey Forgot about the GT3. A little out of my price range new. Drove the 2.0 and 2.5L 718s as extended loaners. Power delivery was awesome and on par with my 1M on boost but the personality of the car seemed off. I can't wait to test the 4L 718. I own a 981S so I know the flat 6 is amazing.
@@dp2901 ahh I see, I honestly think the flat 4’s sound good with a catless downpipe and a proper exhaust, reminds me of a v8 a little.
For a stock car, I agree, but I like to modify cars so maybe that’s why I think the motor isn’t so bad and I’d actually want to hear it. That said, you still can’t compare the sound to their glorious flat 6, wouldn’t even be fair
@@PapiAndrey Nothing like a modded WRX on a track. Total eye-opener for me! Still hoping to try a Focus RS which is another brilliant one. So many cars, so little time LOL.
GT3 Touring is the real GTS
I second that statement, but Porsche will never slot a slightly detuned GT3 engine into a GTS for fear of hurting GT3 touring sales. Although I for one would love to have a GTS with detuned GT3 engine over a GT3 touring, for added daily usability and possible inclusion of back-seats, which is a needed option for me.
@@captlove8788 I completely agree! I owned a 991 Touring and it was great with the comfort seats for the day to day. I think this new generation is a bit too much for my liking. I heard the suspension is rough since it's straight off the cup car and the design although functional is hardly attractive. I think the GTS would be the favorable model if it didn't have turbos. Also I honestly prefer the look of the 992 GTS with the gloss black package over a 992 Touring.
It’s faster than the old GT3 so yes it’s a better car than the S! Nothing like reviewing a car you have never seen!
The case with GTS models for 997 and 991 (1 & 2) was that with GTS you got wide body on RWD car which was actually the biggest change. You could not spec this on normal C2S.
With 992 there is only one body size. It looks like this is more trim package now and You could spec C2S in similar way without getting GTS.
I really hoped for some time they would put this 4.0 engine used in 718 GTS. Shame they did not...
totally agree. parts bin special
I think 992 GTS is nice, because it's an S with more power, bigger brakes, better looking body kit and center-locks and options that are standard on the GTS and optional on the S. Also, that 992 CS with just a simple ECU tune is going to have 520-540HP, and if you add downpipes, you have 570-580HP, and that's just a Carrera S. And if you get it with manual, you have a pretty unique combo: RWD, Turbo, Manual 911 with 580HP, it's awesome
I was mostly ready to finally pull the trigger on a Porsche. Base Carrera, manual trans, sports seats, sport chrono, no sunroof, gentian blue, and no further options...and then, no-more manuals on the base car. Seems like there's always a push to spend more, when less is actually more. Wonder if they will add manual transmission back to the base car. I'm not holding my breath.
They will likely bring back the 911T. Fingers crossed it gets the 4.0 from the GT4.
Brad Wow - we've reached the point where putting a Cayman/Boxster engine in a 911 seems like a good idea! 👍
No manual option on base must be at least S for manual.
I agree, the base with manual would be ideal and I bet most buyers would increase the purchase of options bringing the price just below a S. Could be a win for all...
The GTS does also get a "bespoke suspension set-up, derived from the 911 Turbo". (According to Autocar). Let's drive it first before you draw any conclusions. It might share some characteristics with a Turbo (with a manual though).
Glad someone pointed this out. Reviews of people who have driven it say that the suspension differences make this much better to drive than the S. The 992 turbo is known for feeling closer to a 991 gt3 steering and turn in so this is excellent news.
Porsche finally realized they made massive mistakes when changing the GTS to smaller engines. My dad had a 2013 cayenne gts with the V8 and when the new one came out with the v6 he went to Mercedes for a v8 SUV. same with the cayman, no one wants to spend 100 grand plus on a v6 suv or 4 cylinder sports car. Glad they came around (I’m sure the sales, or lack there of, spoke for themselves).
Oh yes the 'Turbo chassis' can someone point out even one thing that is different between the S chassis and the GTS? Nope. More Porsche marketing fun.
@@NickMurray he didnt say chassis was different..the suspension has been pulled from the Turbo.
Nick waits till he reads what they say on Motor Trend before he comments. I don’t think he understands that the turbos are different on different models either.
@@davids8151 he also doesn't do enough research to realize when journalists spoke with Porsche engineers they mentioned they actually developed the 911 GTS FRIST then detuned the engine and revised it for the S.
$5 on the GTS sticker🤣🤣🤣
Nick, you forgot the emotions... a GTS sounds better then the S, but you make all the S owners happy; have you ever driven one in the meantime?
Good video Nick, I think Porsche will never detune the 4.0 naturally aspirated engine from the GT3 for the '911 GTS 4.0', as it will take away sales from the just-announced 992 GT3 Touring. Detuning that engine may make that hypothetical '911 GTS 4.0' be slower to accelerate than the Carrera Ss (even though you and I couldn't care at all about those statistics).
wrong. They sell all the GT3s they make at premiums. Ridiculous assumption
@@02hreblue30 You have no idea how much those 4.0 GT3 engines cost. They can't fit them in a cheaper model and still make profit. You can't read at all.
I think having the Turbo centre lock wheels and Turbo brakes will be a selling point for some over the S. And you can option the leather interior, so no race-tex!
If you did want a new S now, you’re pretty late in the model cycle, so those who want an S would surely be better off to wait for a 992.2 S.
center locks BLOW for the street. Total pain in the ass.
The 992.2 will probably be a hybrid drivetrain with no manual option. So you are probably best not to wait if an electric 911 is not your thing.
You will not be popular in Zuffenhausen! I have a 992.1GTS on order to replace my 991.2 which has been a total joy!
Oh, yes, this great insight :)
Nick; your videos are worth to watch just for your tshirts!!!! you are a great man! cheers
I agree with Nick on the 992.1 GTS model although I did not share his view on the 991.2 GTS.
The real advantage of the GTS in the Carrera line up until the 991.2 generation was the wider rear combined with the rear wheel drive, that was a unique offering (borrowed from the 2010 limited edition ‘Sport Classic’ model), which only the GT models could/ can offer at the expense of less comfort (no rear seats, more stiff chassis, all in all more track oriented set up…and 4.0 liter engine). With the 992 all this is gone, I don’t see any real competitive advantage now, you could just buy a Carrara S and add a few more options and there you go…
I personally want the GTS because of those centre-locks. No bloke will be able to steal those wheels
I have the 24, it’s fkn amazing
I have waited 2 years for this (with Depo paid!)…. You are so spot on. Great Chanel. Will stick with my high spec C2S slot. 2 more months to wait.
Biggest selling point on the 997.2 and 991 GTS models for me was that you could have the wider rear end from the AWD-models in the rear wheel driven GTS. Now that all 992s have the same body, the GTS is redundant imo.
Nick, what is wrong with you? The GTS offers a list of options with a discount. The larger turbo and GTS label is just a marketing gimmick. That is perfectly ok. It’s an S with a few more bells and whistles! I drive one in Switzerland and I love all my little extra’s. Daily city-trip or Alpine-tracks during the weekend? All TOP! Long live the GTS!!
Your word is gold Nick. I think if I really wanted a bump in power; I would stick with the Carrera S and get a software tune by APR
New 2021 Turbo S for me, Porsche always understated their power and torque, it's so finely build and with the optional tuning package from the factory brings the stock Turbo S 640HP up to a neck snapping 750 Horsepower!!! Sign me up.
Now the GTS versions, depending on which you get is also a great car like you have found.
all true.... except in the UK, SPain and several other countries, the Touring is very limited and they could sell their allocation several times over, but only "VIP" customers will get them... this is perhaps where the GTS comes in, for those that cant get the touring, although it is, as you say, not comparable at all.
As you said, they should have put in detuned gt3 engine in it. I hope they do so with 992.2 the same way they changed from turbo to n/a with 718 gts
I have a 991.2 GT3 and a 991.2 Targa 4 GTS. Both manual. The cars are very different. The GT3 is loud, you feel every vibration, the engine is very responsive and it screams. The GTS is a cruiser and the torque is nice for street driving. I refer to the GTS as my rain Porsche.
LOL! I wander what you refer to a Carrera S as? Redundant
Great video as always nick ! I would say the 991.2 gts is actually faster than a gt3 on my local track. They have better mid range torque to power out of tight hairpins and big enough turbo for top speed. So i would say it’s a bargain for track rats like me, I can save some cash for tires/brakes etc for the track comparing to gt3.
I had a chance to drive a second Gen GT3 a while back and absolutely loved it, BUT, I just bought a 991.2 GTS and have to say it’s a better ROAD car. It has exceptional, usable power, it’s less harsh, it’s comfortable, and it handles amazingly well for a primarily road going car. I live in CT, so I may have to drive down to Fairfield County and fist fight Nick over his GTS hatred 👊🏻😆🥴
Nick,
THANK YOU!
In Norway, with outrageously high taxes on petrol cars, the 992 GTS will be priced around 320,000 USD with not too many options, and I heard from a Porsche dealership that “no one will buy a GTS at that price”. In comparison, 991.2 GTS from 2017 (and S) is half the price so those models may retain their value going forward.
You nail it!!!!
I am actually very disappointed with this. Back in 2016 I had the privilege of being a Porsche lot tech at 19 I am 25 now. The very first 911 I have ever driven was a 991.1 Carrera 4 GTS. GT Silver, black Carrera S wheels and glass sun roof. I will never forget that magical moment. Ever since then I have become obsessed with the GTS models. They hold a special place in my heart. Anyways. I am disappointed with Porsche the 991.2 and now the 992 are very.. blah. There’s nothing special to me about them. Granted I haven’t driven the 991.2 or 992 but IF I had the money I would buy a 991.1 GTS. I may just be bias but theres just something so raw about it to me
I agree with you Nick on this one. Interesting that you have the same opinion of my 2021 Macan GTS as I do. I love it. Great review as always. Thanks
The boys at Rennlist are having a hissy fit over this video.
Have a Panamera GTS 2021. Amazing. You are absolutely right. I’ll keep my 911 991.1 s with natural aspirated 400 hp. 100% in agreement
Very insightful. I agree with your take on the 992.1 GTS. It is a missed opportunity. As a guy who tried to daily a 991.2 manual GT3, I agree that it is a bit of a pain (especially with carbon bucket seats). I would have gone out and bought a GTS with a detuned GT3 engine for sure.
I like the idea of a detuned 4.0 GT3 engine, but I have a feeling that it would've crawled into the footsteps of the GT3 Touring that got revealed last week.
Agree!
Bravo Nick for the wonderful reviews. Love your wit and you can totally be Jim Gaffigin of the auto world! Hello from a packed MTR in HK
Now that the motoring journos have driven the car looks like most disagree with the uninformed points you made?
Great review as always Mr Murray. The 992 GTS does look great, but I think you're right that it's a struggle to see the value. More input from William wouldn't be amiss.
The center lock wheel he mentioned is 992 turbo S wheel, just turbo wheel option on S would be over $4000
One of THE most helpful videos ever on RUclips. Thanks Nick!
Would love to see 992 GTS with 4.0 engine.
you are wrong on the 718 GTS 4 cylinder. it had a larger turbo and can be tuned up to crazy power. Its actually a very unique and special car, especially when everything goes electric that grumbly old 4cylinder will be a welcome sound..its lighter weight than the 4.0 and is basically as fast. the 4.0 is obviously is a triumph but don't hate on that old GTS 2.5 that is a very cool car in its own right..
Did you forget the sports exhaust system or did I miss you mentioning & costing that? I was skipping through waffle.
I agree the 4.0 liter from the GT4 is a clean modern engine that deserves to be in a 911 I hope Porsche does it and adds the 6 sp manual from the GT3 as well.
The video starts at 7:02
Love your videos
word on the street the GTS 911 has 2 psi more boost - finally someone who isn't sponsored and gives us what we already know but are still glad to hear - if the Carrera T had the engine and manual from the 718 GTS 4.0 then it would be the best selling '911' - build it Porsche and prove me wrong Andreas .... you've hopefully made your fleet average MPG with the Taycan - so surprise us and get real again ......you changed the 718 - you can change the 911 - start with a NA Carrera T .... and don't bs us with 'the NA 4.0 liter engine from the 718 won't fit' ......
I just got a 992 Turbo S, live in CT, was going to let you borrow it to do a review but seeing it has “a rubbish engine” you are obviously not interested,
I think one of the options that keeps getting overlooked is the fact the car is coming with the 992 Turbo suspension (lower, rear helper springs, stiffer?). This may be what differentiates this car from the S, for better or worse depending on your preference.
I doubt this is an upgrade as the Turbo does not ride or handle any better than the S.
@@NickMurrayI don’t recall that anyone mentioned the resale of a GTS (especially a manual) is far better than an S.
Hey Nick, fan of your channel but I am afraid I will have to disagree with you on this one.
The GTS has:
* The Turbo chassis (not the carrera)
* The Turbo brakes
* The turbo suspension.
* the turbo wheels.
So with that pointed out sayings it’s a parts bin special is a MASSIVE injustice, and your waaaaay of the mark!
With turbo frame, chassis, brakes and suspension people are calling the GTS a turbo light, and considering it is only $5k more than the S I would spec it’s the deal of the century and the model to have!