Putting a 4g63 head on a 4g64 short block doesn’t make it a 2.4 stroker since you haven’t changed the stroke of the stock block. All it does is makes it a DOHC 4G64
Hey, buddy. Just found your channel. Looks like you got some good info and you're definitely a smart dude. But... I believe it was MightCarMods that offered some tips for being a presenter, and the FIRST thing they said was Audio Quality was absolutely critical. Many people will put up with shaky cameras or low resolution, but what most people won't tolerate is having difficulty hearing the information being provided. Grab yourself a dedicated mic, and setup your video area to get rid of reverb, or just do voiceovers with a mic inside of a box with sound deadening inside. Works wonders to improve quality on the cheap
Thank you for this video, ive been looking to do an evo build for awhile as ive found you get very good return for the amount of money you put into the car. Ive built a sr20 with vvl head with a 2.2 stroker and the rod to stroke ratio sits around 1.4 which is less than ideal when the head combo loves to live at 9000rpm and beyond its a harsh motor that has bad harmonics, hard on bearings too. As much as i love the s15 that the motor lives in, i think the evo is a better platform and ive been doing some research into these long rod motors. Really appreciate that you made this video and looks like 4g63 with 94mm crank and 153mm rods is the go paired with a 64 or 68mm turbo
I'm glad this helped. Upon further research you will discover good and bad about each engine. No 1 engine type does everything better than the rest. So you will need to find what works the best for what you will use the car for.
@bdalchemist appreciate the reply. Looking to have a nice street car. My s15 is more of a roll race/dig car. Makes 1000whp runs a 6870. Not exactly the best combo for light to light or even a spirited canyon run. This is the reason why I want to move to a different platform. Looking to do more hill runs/circuit driving with street manners. My conclusion would be a nice punchy 700-800whp on high boost for rolls and drag with low boost set approx 600hp for circuit use and street driving. We have e85 bowsers here in aus so it will be run full time on e85 with 9.0.1 compression. I was thinking of the 6466 paired with a 94mm crank and 153mm rods. Do you think the mivec head would be usefull or a non mivec head?
Great video. The only constructive criticism I would have is you forgot to give an honorable mention to the Magnus 95.5mm & Norris Designs 97mm stroker crankshafts. I know, very rare, but they are available.
I have used MMC stock diesel steel 93 mm crankshaft. It's just as strong as any aftermarket 94mm crankshaft. The benefit is that it's very cheap and you can use very thin head gasket which is a good thing for a high boosted engine...
I love this video; I think this is my 6x watching it. I feel like the only thing id change is maybe bringing up evo 1-3 4g63 pulleys face the drivers side and evo 4-9 face passenger.
the engine did flip but you also have to keep in mind that those cars are right hand drive. So the belt on the 4's is on the drivers side of the car because its on the right hand side.
Could you do a comparison with the 4g69 too that's what my Lancer Ralliart has. 4g93/4g93 would be interesting too, basically all the 4g variants. Mostly interested in 4g69 though.
@@bdalchemist They were slightly popular to modify when the old ralliarts were new but not anymore. Probably won't see one in the shop if you haven't yet. They have some kind of variable exhaust timing but they're SOHC and don't hold a ton of boost stock.
4g69 has extremely skinny rods and won't last on boost. I did a completely build on mine with manley platinum stroker pistons, eagle rods and arp headstuds. Ran 27 psi on that setup from an hx40 on pump gas.
Amazing explanation.. so now I'm building a 4G64 Evo 8 DOHC T 2.1L destroker for a 2000 Eclipse Rs 162mm rods... Question do I have to adjust the piston rings? Or should it be fine as is?
BD Alchemist, Hi I have few questions. I built a 7 bolt 2G motor 2.3 stroker for my 98 Eclipse GST, how high can you wine the rpms on these 2.3 strokers? I deleted the oil squirters on the engine build is it going hurt not using them? This is for street/performance application just to let you know.
I have a 2003 Mitsubishi Outlander AWD. It's auto but I'm thinking about boosting it. Should I send it or swap the crank and destroke it? I'm in Indiana
Can I put a stock Evo crank and rods in a 4g69 with stock 4g69 pistons ??. I hear the block is the same deck height as the Evo with a 87mm bore. Seems like a good budget replacement block.
I have an 01 eclipse gs with the 2.4l 4g64 i would like to know what i could do to improve performance and durability i was thinking of turboing and a head swap but was also looking for a stroker kit if possible could u tell me what u think would be my options for performance upgrades and if there is a stroker kit i could get for it and where i could find it. Thx u
Is it worth it to build a 4g64? Or atleast put an evo 8 head on a 4g64? I have a 2002 eclipse with the 2.4 and I really want to do an "oem+" build so I want to keep the 4g64 as a part of it.
I've got a question for ya :) I've got a 1984 Mitsubishi L300 4x4 Van factory fitted with the 4G63, (Single Cam non turbo Carby - G63B). I'm currently weighing up between a twin cam turbo conversion for the current engine or if i should just dohc turbo a 4g64. Power band needs to be between 2500rpm and 4500rpm, I guess the other alternative is the 4G54 sohc turbo (2.6L Sigma motor). I'm considering a super turbo compound setup to keep exhaust back pressure and temp low if required but would really like the shy away from water meth injection and e85 fuels due to the sheer amount of km's this van will do, and the remoteness of the community's it will visit. Expected daily vehicle weight including driver 1800kg, upto 2400kg with trailer. Yes the vehicle needs a GVM upgrade lol. What would your ideal engine choice be? I've heard 4g63's dont take kindly to big boost at lowish RPMs Thank you in advance, Matt
Misleading to say the 4g64 was in the 99 eclipse, it was only offered with the gs spyder, sohc, gst and gsx eclipses got the 4g63t, other than that i really enjoyed the video
I have a quick question, I have a evo 9 with a 4g63 block 100mm crank 156mmrods and wiseco 86mm pistons that the pin is 6mm up, the car was built and ran perfect but issues with injectors lead to rebuild. I’ve order new pistons due to bad ones but went back with same specs..... is this motor still 2.3 and is this combo ok to keep? As it’s almost to late due to having new parts in thanks in advance
So without knowing the actual damage cause I cannot say for sure. Usually 86mm bore is the absolute limit of high boost application due to head gasket sealing issues. I do not know if ur cylinder walls need to be re honed, usually with new pistons it's always a good idea to do so. Also I think ur measurements are a little off , with 100mm crank u cannot use 156mm rods. You would use 150mm rods and pistons with wrist pints moved up 6mm or custom 153mm rods and wrist pins moved up 9mm (not recommended).
BD Alchemist ok thanks alot, so found out it is indeed 150mm rods, he was mistaking off another build. So it is 86mm bore 100mm crank 150mm rods and wiseco hd pistons
Do you use the 88 mm crankshaft from a non-turbo 4g63 or does it have to be from a turbocharged 4 g 63.is there a difference between these crankshafts ? In terms of coats and machining
@VMAN Viney well I have a Evo crank in my 2g it's like 6 lbs lights straight swap in too lol and Evo 8 ECU the engines are the same but a bit diff at the same time I rather the oldies...they hold up like hell 6bolt and 7 but that can crank walk is a killer
yes actually just need to get a good fuel system in place and tune it. you probably pick up 25-50hp unless you put a big spooly boi on it then your talking a good gain 50-150hp
Um no no I don't agree. With this at all he says you can run 162mm on the same crank? Meaning you'll have a weaker top hat if you have to make it up with wrist pins. If someone's willing to build you a hazardous motor knowing it'll detonate because poor quality. I wouldn't work with that shop
Putting a 4g63 head on a 4g64 short block doesn’t make it a 2.4 stroker since you haven’t changed the stroke of the stock block. All it does is makes it a DOHC 4G64
Hey, buddy. Just found your channel. Looks like you got some good info and you're definitely a smart dude.
But...
I believe it was MightCarMods that offered some tips for being a presenter, and the FIRST thing they said was Audio Quality was absolutely critical. Many people will put up with shaky cameras or low resolution, but what most people won't tolerate is having difficulty hearing the information being provided.
Grab yourself a dedicated mic, and setup your video area to get rid of reverb, or just do voiceovers with a mic inside of a box with sound deadening inside.
Works wonders to improve quality on the cheap
Thank you for this video, ive been looking to do an evo build for awhile as ive found you get very good return for the amount of money you put into the car. Ive built a sr20 with vvl head with a 2.2 stroker and the rod to stroke ratio sits around 1.4 which is less than ideal when the head combo loves to live at 9000rpm and beyond its a harsh motor that has bad harmonics, hard on bearings too. As much as i love the s15 that the motor lives in, i think the evo is a better platform and ive been doing some research into these long rod motors. Really appreciate that you made this video and looks like 4g63 with 94mm crank and 153mm rods is the go paired with a 64 or 68mm turbo
I'm glad this helped. Upon further research you will discover good and bad about each engine. No 1 engine type does everything better than the rest. So you will need to find what works the best for what you will use the car for.
@bdalchemist appreciate the reply. Looking to have a nice street car. My s15 is more of a roll race/dig car. Makes 1000whp runs a 6870. Not exactly the best combo for light to light or even a spirited canyon run. This is the reason why I want to move to a different platform. Looking to do more hill runs/circuit driving with street manners. My conclusion would be a nice punchy 700-800whp on high boost for rolls and drag with low boost set approx 600hp for circuit use and street driving. We have e85 bowsers here in aus so it will be run full time on e85 with 9.0.1 compression. I was thinking of the 6466 paired with a 94mm crank and 153mm rods. Do you think the mivec head would be usefull or a non mivec head?
@@SR22VET-S15 mivec would help spool and mid range torque.
Thank you for the breakdown! 🔥
Great video. The only constructive criticism I would have is you forgot to give an honorable mention to the Magnus 95.5mm & Norris Designs 97mm stroker crankshafts. I know, very rare, but they are available.
ya totally forgot about those. thank you
Legend ... would love to see this for the 4b11t
I have used MMC stock diesel steel 93 mm crankshaft. It's just as strong as any aftermarket 94mm crankshaft. The benefit is that it's very cheap and you can use very thin head gasket which is a good thing for a high boosted engine...
What rods where used? Oem?
@OSR681 you could use OEM rods but they have their limit. I used Manley rods
I love this video; I think this is my 6x watching it. I feel like the only thing id change is maybe bringing up evo 1-3 4g63 pulleys face the drivers side and evo 4-9 face passenger.
the engine did flip but you also have to keep in mind that those cars are right hand drive. So the belt on the 4's is on the drivers side of the car because its on the right hand side.
Strange how i was asking My Friend to explain this same topic on Saturday, only to be scrolling you tube and finding this old Vlog explaining it..😂😂
Bahahahaha
Could you do a comparison with the 4g69 too that's what my Lancer Ralliart has. 4g93/4g93 would be interesting too, basically all the 4g variants. Mostly interested in 4g69 though.
i rely on customers to bring their projects here. i will definitely do one if someone brings it in.
@@bdalchemist They were slightly popular to modify when the old ralliarts were new but not anymore. Probably won't see one in the shop if you haven't yet. They have some kind of variable exhaust timing but they're SOHC and don't hold a ton of boost stock.
4g69 has extremely skinny rods and won't last on boost. I did a completely build on mine with manley platinum stroker pistons, eagle rods and arp headstuds. Ran 27 psi on that setup from an hx40 on pump gas.
Amazing explanation.. so now I'm building a 4G64 Evo 8 DOHC T 2.1L destroker for a 2000 Eclipse Rs 162mm rods... Question do I have to adjust the piston rings? Or should it be fine as is?
Can the 4g93 crankchaft work in the 4g64 engine block?
BD Alchemist, Hi I have few questions. I built a 7 bolt 2G motor 2.3 stroker for my 98 Eclipse GST, how high can you wine the rpms on these 2.3 strokers? I deleted the oil squirters on the engine build is it going hurt not using them? This is for street/performance application just to let you know.
Consensus is 8200rpm. But better to refer to your builder.
My evo has a 100mm crank, 150mm rod and 86mm pistons. Haven’t finished the build yet but I’ll be sure to let you guys know how it runs and feels
I hope it's going well
Well..2 yrs later an still haven't heard from you? Is that a sign it didn't go? Let me know.
@@jayisfedup6896 Lol it runs great. The transfer case wasn’t strong enough for it though 🤣
@@devisonibison8226 can we get some videos of it bro?
@@melbournetaylor4265 ruclips.net/video/AGn7qg1mhhY/видео.html is the only video that exists😂 she’s been parked for a bit
how about blok 4g64 can rebore to 88mm piston?
Bro...what is the difference between the Almighty 4G63T of Evo and 4G63T of Mitsubishi Airtrek / Outlander?
Water pump , weaker rods I think. But the Evo head mates to the blocks just fine. Everything lines up
@@bdalchemist ooh...cool... thanks for the answers 👍
If I used the 4g64 crank in the 4g63 block, would I need to do any machining to the block accept that crank?
Awesome thank you for the information
Great explanation🤘🏻
I have a 2003 Mitsubishi Outlander AWD. It's auto but I'm thinking about boosting it. Should I send it or swap the crank and destroke it? I'm in Indiana
I don't think ur stock crank will be bad for below 8k revs. I would keep it. Just maybe change the internals depending on the power ur aiming for.
Any update on this?
that was awesome! thank you
Can I put a stock Evo crank and rods in a 4g69 with stock 4g69 pistons ??. I hear the block is the same deck height as the Evo with a 87mm bore. Seems like a good budget replacement block.
I have an 01 eclipse gs with the 2.4l 4g64 i would like to know what i could do to improve performance and durability i was thinking of turboing and a head swap but was also looking for a stroker kit if possible could u tell me what u think would be my options for performance upgrades and if there is a stroker kit i could get for it and where i could find it. Thx u
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I have the same engine and roughly the same question, any update on this?
BD Alchemist is ur fb the same name
Yes
Ok I shall msg you possibly in a few days thx
How do you get a 2.1 Destroker? What's the ratio for that?
88mm crank with a 4g64 block. Ration is = rod length ÷ crank stroke size
What rods? Stock 4G64 rod length?
@@ZachPPierce it's explained in the vid. But with 88mm crank and 64 block u have a few options 156/160/162
You can also use a diesel crank, 93mm stroke iirc.
Yes, it's a very good option- cheap and reliable...
I am going for a Nitto 2.2L for my 4g63, 94mm crank, 86mm pistons, 153mm I-Beam rods. Is this ok? Do I have to move the wrist pins thanks
Yes u do, 6mm. Also I'm assuming ur going to aluminum rods. Make sure u get l19/625 rod bolts and upgraded wrist pins.
@@bdalchemist thanks will do! I will be upgrading to ACL bearings too what do you think
I use kings most of the time.
What about the 4b11t & 4b12?
Is it worth it to build a 4g64? Or atleast put an evo 8 head on a 4g64?
I have a 2002 eclipse with the 2.4 and I really want to do an "oem+" build so I want to keep the 4g64 as a part of it.
I've got a question for ya :) I've got a 1984 Mitsubishi L300 4x4 Van factory fitted with the 4G63, (Single Cam non turbo Carby - G63B). I'm currently weighing up between a twin cam turbo conversion for the current engine or if i should just dohc turbo a 4g64.
Power band needs to be between 2500rpm and 4500rpm, I guess the other alternative is the 4G54 sohc turbo (2.6L Sigma motor).
I'm considering a super turbo compound setup to keep exhaust back pressure and temp low if required but would really like the shy away from water meth injection and e85 fuels due to the sheer amount of km's this van will do, and the remoteness of the community's it will visit.
Expected daily vehicle weight including driver 1800kg, upto 2400kg with trailer. Yes the vehicle needs a GVM upgrade lol.
What would your ideal engine choice be? I've heard 4g63's dont take kindly to big boost at lowish RPMs
Thank you in advance, Matt
The strongest of all of them is the 4g63 , in the 2.0 dohc setup. If u want low end power then the 2.3 4g63 or 2.4 4g64 will be ur best option.
Misleading to say the 4g64 was in the 99 eclipse, it was only offered with the gs spyder, sohc, gst and gsx eclipses got the 4g63t, other than that i really enjoyed the video
I didn't say only , i said "like". Once I started the vid I realized I wasn't prepared for the 64 part lol. Thanks for watching .
@@bdalchemistjust rewatched this, i should have told you this was very informative, sorry for coming off as a jerk
@@zues2011 no worries , as long as you enjoyed. I hold no grudges
anyone know anything about the BC 2.5L kit on a evo 8 with a 64 block ?
I have a quick question, I have a evo 9 with a 4g63 block 100mm crank 156mmrods and wiseco 86mm pistons that the pin is 6mm up, the car was built and ran perfect but issues with injectors lead to rebuild. I’ve order new pistons due to bad ones but went back with same specs..... is this motor still 2.3 and is this combo ok to keep? As it’s almost to late due to having new parts in thanks in advance
So without knowing the actual damage cause I cannot say for sure. Usually 86mm bore is the absolute limit of high boost application due to head gasket sealing issues. I do not know if ur cylinder walls need to be re honed, usually with new pistons it's always a good idea to do so. Also I think ur measurements are a little off , with 100mm crank u cannot use 156mm rods. You would use 150mm rods and pistons with wrist pints moved up 6mm or custom 153mm rods and wrist pins moved up 9mm (not recommended).
BD Alchemist ok thanks alot, so found out it is indeed 150mm rods, he was mistaking off another build. So it is
86mm bore 100mm crank 150mm rods and wiseco hd pistons
@@duckworth311 great, and yes it's still a 2.3
What do you suggest for EVO8 1000 +? thank you
2L
@@markc1456 Hello, may I have your list of renovation projects?
Hello
Whats the best way to get ahold of you about tuning?
RUclips@bdalchemist.com
There is also a g63b which is the wideblock rwd 4g63.
this is like asmr
Do you use the 88 mm crankshaft from a non-turbo 4g63 or does it have to be from a turbocharged 4 g 63.is there a difference between these crankshafts ? In terms of coats and machining
I believe the 4g63t cranks are different. They can hold 1000-1100 whp
All same
@VMAN Viney non turbo and turbos same engine no oil squirters and different pistons ....what am I missing
@VMAN Viney holdon I'm talking about the early 4gs not the Evo ones lol my bad
@VMAN Viney well I have a Evo crank in my 2g it's like 6 lbs lights straight swap in too lol and Evo 8 ECU the engines are the same but a bit diff at the same time I rather the oldies...they hold up like hell 6bolt and 7 but that can crank walk is a killer
The 4g64 does have the oil sprayers as well.
Not all 64s have them. Some do
Which timing belt do i use with a 64 block and 63 head??????
U can use Evo 8 or 9 , but u will need a adjustable timing gear to set the timing correctly
Thanks a million
Also what bearing clearances do you run on your main and conrods?
I'm wanting to stroke my 4g64 Galant out to a 2.6l Anybody have suggestions on how to go about that.
Sot its better to have a 4g63 head with a 4g64 block
Nice!!
can you make comment on extreme tuners evo is it fake or real they sey it 1.8l 4g63
ruclips.net/video/veaNRVpSS_A/видео.html
They are the real deal. I actually went to their workshop in Greece. Their tech is next level.
@@sodazman from where are you coming
@@filip-pi9hy I am from Australia
No reason why it can't be done, its usually more of a headache to go larger capacity than it is smaller.
What can you do with a 4b12 motor
You can put it in the bin, I heard that's pretty good for them
There's nothing I could do with it
And what's the Bi?
*Bin
put evo head on my mighty max and send it lol will that work ?
yes actually just need to get a good fuel system in place and tune it. you probably pick up 25-50hp unless you put a big spooly boi on it then your talking a good gain 50-150hp
'99 Eclipse did not come with a 4G64. It came with a 4G63 like every other DSM and every Evo until the X.
my man do your research second generation Mitsubishi Eclipse coupe from 1994-1999 comes with 2.4L 4G64 and 2.0 4G63T
@@shavkatburhanov1325 Somewhat correct. Only the GS Convertible came with the 2.4L NA powerplant.
Um no no I don't agree. With this at all he says you can run 162mm on the same crank? Meaning you'll have a weaker top hat if you have to make it up with wrist pins. If someone's willing to build you a hazardous motor knowing it'll detonate because poor quality. I wouldn't work with that shop
I've been using shorter pidtons for years with 100 mm , 94 mm, 93 mm crankshafts and 156 mm rods- no issues so far
This makes less sense than my sister talking about painting her toenails... 🤦♂️
Not everyone understand everything