Your " going back to basics" series of vids are really timely with all the new folks to guns and are really concise and fast moving! Sharing with people I know who are new to firearms.
Very informative Matt! As a newer shooter, this type of info is invaluable. I too love 1911's, but I rarely carry any of mine, not even my compact models. They are my favorite gun to shoot, and to even clean, but I don't want to have to worry about the thumb safety in a SD situation, also, 7 rounds is nice, but 13 is better! I am currently carrying a glock 23, my only glock, and am looking into m&p shield.
One thing I would've brought up is the decocker on the Beretta 92FS. It's slide-mounted so that it can tilt the firing pin downwards, thus making it mechanically impossible to go off.
Glock's trigger safety is only a drop safety to prevent momentum from moving the trigger. Just about anything that will directly move the trigger will also deactivate the trigger safety.
Some agencies around the world carry pistols with an empty chamber and have trained to pull the slide as they unholster the pistol. I live in a rural area with very little crime and I carry with empty chamber, unless I carry an all metal S&W as 669, 4566, 4006 and 3913 or my PPK if I feel the .380 enough for the trip/day. I make an exception to the CZ 40 P and RAMI, that have the half cock position. Good video.
Thanks ... the very best explanation of Safety vs Decocker vs Safety\Decocker I've seen. It was well organized and demonstrated with common sense reasons for each. Cheers!!
You said you'd be caught off guard an that's why you want a double action instead of a safety. BUT, if you're caught off guard you probably forget about the heavier trigger pull, and your first shot will completely miss giving the target the chance to retaliate. Whereas if you had just a safety turned on that wouldn't be problem.
Nice explanation man! I personally carry my XDM loaded but not cocked as it only takes a split second to do it and I practice it as part of my draw stroke. This is a compromise I'm willing to make for the added level of safety. But hey, that's just me.
I'm surprised you don't have a 1911. I bought one on the centennial a couple years ago. My first centerfire handgun was a PT92 and it was a great gun but I got over the "need" for a manual safety once I got accustomed to carrying and now my primary carry is a G23 converted to 9mm.
Another great video Matt. I have a Zastava EZ .40 which many would say is a Sig P226 clone. Although Zastava Arms has been around way before Sig. But my point is, they both have the same decocker...serves me just fine.
you have some good points. but how easy is it for me to pull up vids of people accidentally shooting themselves with these guns with no safeties? even while teaching a class on gun safety lol? it's so simple, when you're out the house take safety off, when you're in a safe environment put safety on. i don't know anyone with a gun and decent range time who can't take their safety off. you think all these 1911 lovers can't take a safety off before they have to shoot something?
It's just as easy to find videos of people accidentally shooting themselves with guns that have manual-safeties. The manual-safety is only any damn good... if it's engaged. But to eliminate the risk of them accidentally forgetting to disengage the safety they train in the automatic muscle memory to disengage the safety as soon as they draw the gun. So as soon as it's out the holster it's capable of firing, so NO DAMN DIFFERENT! "you think all these 1911 lovers can't take a safety off before they have to shoot something? " Yes. They've done it enough times. OR they just make it such a routine automatic reflex to disengage the safety as a natural and inherent part of the draw, it doesn't add any safety factor. I've seen cops with 1911 pistols shoot innocent people in the neck and paralyse them because the moment they clicked the safety down the gun fired. The necessity of manual safeties is the make the gun drop-safe and resistant to impacts, poking and shuffling when inside a loose poorly fitting holster. Everything has changed now we have form fitting holsters that totally isolate the trigger along with internal drop safeties.
@@SpencerWhetstone As I said, the manual safety can never help. If fundamentally fails to help when people break the golden rules of gun handling. Because you had to make it an "automatic reflex". However there is one place (and only one as far as I know) where a manual safety really adds a safety factor and that's when holstering the damn thing. It's a great practice in many armies to turn on a manual safety just for the process of holstering, that's their "automatic reflex" to put the safety on before they holster and turn the safety OFF once the pistol is holstered. This is a really great combination, even when soldiers and marines are tired, cold, stressed and shot at, they fall back on learned reflexes. Except one problem with that is many have a manual safety that you can't turn off once holstered. There's no need for the safety to stay on when it's in the holster.
@@Treblaine If you have a hammer fired DA/SA pistol and put your thumb on the hammer when you holster, you won't have a problem with an AD because you'll be aware of anything getting snagged on the trigger. Same with a striker fire with an exposed striker indicator like the Walther PPS.
But that implies that a misplaced shot is worse than no shot at all. I'd rather have bad shot placement and run the chance that the other guy is then caught off guard when he realizes that I have a gun and am shooting at him, than pulling a gun and having nothing happen. Never mind the fact that in that situation your not going to know or feel the difference between a 5 lb trigger pull and a 12 lb trigger pull
Do you like any sub DAO pistols? I think that would be my preference for CC something small and simple, no safety but a heavy DA trigger. For defensive shooting I think I would be okay with that. Obviously that wouldn't be a range pistol or anything I would want to shoot for fun. I'm only curious on your opinion, I'm Canadian I can't CC anyway! Oh and I noticed your comment on 1911s do you not want to get another? Not for CC of course but to have for the sake of it and as a range gun.
Wonderful review. You are very skilled, like the fast pace, straight to the point. Your an excellent presenter. I hate those videos that are 50 minutes to explain a 2 minute point. Most folks watch tons of videos in on sitting. I have clicked off on those long ass videos.
I prefer to regard striker-fired mechanisms as more similar to single action sear groups, since the pull of the trigger causes 1 action, as far as the firing mechanisms are concerned.
Did not know you owned a 17, How do you like it? I purchased a Gen 4 17, wanted a Gen or 4 19 but could not find one at all. I'm still not sure if I like the 17, but I know Glock magazines are, in my opinion, the Best ever, super high quality and well thought out.
I think it's a matter of perference. Today, people are not living in the wild west days were u have to draw a weapon and begin to fire, unless u are in law enforcement or business owner. But when a ordinary person pull that weapon out that alone will send signal to that intruder . But anyway, love ur videos.
this video helped me a lot ! thanks for the information ! how do you conceal carry ? apendix iwb? 4o clock iwb? greetings from panamá in central america
So basically what you're saying is that when technology and design gives people a better option for self defense, they should keep using an outdated design? That doesn't make sense, thats like saying "Well using leaches on people who are sick have a history of working for thousands of years, so there's no reason to go to the hospital, and anyone who would go to the hospital doesn't know how to take care of themselves". Facts are that there are now better tools for defense on the market.
My partner is nervous about guns that don't have a manual safety. She has a baby Glock & won't carry it. I got her comfy with my 226 & the double action first shot but the Glock just makes her nervous. I convinced her not to sell it because I know she will eventually be comfy with it but she wants something in the meantime. That's kind of a common thing with new shooters. I wasn't comfy with the Glocks when they first came out but now there is no way I would buy anything with an external safety
Excellent review! I agree with you bro. Thumb safeties are just an additional feature which you have to consciously remember to deactivate in a situation that you are not conscious of when it will happen. No Thumb Safeties, avoid touching the trigger if you are going to shoot. Draw, aim and fire when the surprise attacker approaches you.
Wow, just a fantastic video. Extremely informative without being condescending to noobs. So many "experts" on RUclips have opinions and beliefs that get worked into each of their videos. That's fine, I get it, its their video. It just gets old when you are just looking for information. When I am looking for information on a certain gun, and I click on a video about that gun, I don't want or need to hear about how much someone thinks that safeties are for pussies. Thank you for all of the great info, previous to seeing this video I was big on only buying guns that had safeties...but you present strong points on why a decocker makes more sense but retains a solid level of safety. Thanks!!! cant wait to see more from you.
There's also a big difference in "decockers", as well. There are videos online telling people how, for example, to deactivate the decocker on their Beretta PX4 Storm pistol..! Yes, it'll still "decock" when you push the lever down, but if you've "fixed" it so that it pops back up when you release it, the gun can fire automatically after that. The decocker on Beretta handguns IS "a safety" - as the gun comes from the factory. Deactivate the manual return aspect of the lever - guess what..?? You've now essentially turned your Beretta into "a Glock"...!! Removing or deactivating a safety - even something like the grip safety on a 1911 pistol is stupid..!! Food for thought..!! I've been carrying concealed since 1978 (do the math..!) and I know what I'm talking about..!
On guns with both a decocker and safety can you carry the gun with both the hammer down and safety on? So you get the double action plus you have to hit the safety
I found the video, Firearms freedom 2013. It was aqbout 20 mins into the talk show with the anti-gun guy when Larzul read the 2 nd amendment. thanks again
all these guns have different manuals of arms, and you must train with them. a 1911 is fine, but has a very specific manual of arms that you must practice with under stress. that's also why i dont prefer holsters with retention straps for concealed carry. just one more thing you have to remember before drawing and firing your weapon.
lol I agree but I have seen lots of new shooters that want a safety. I am going through that with my partner right now. She wants something with a safety. I got her to the point where she is ok with a DA but if she was just going out to buy something she would buy something with an additional external safety. I hate to say it but there is probably a pretty good market for manual safeties.
Glock and M&P with no external safety are the two firearms I carry. Once you get used to your firearm the safety and decocker will make you second guess your carry weapon. Not a position you want to be in.
My thoughts exactly. I carry a Kahr P9 and keep an M&P45 (no safety) at the ready at home. I had a Ruger SR9 that I really liked but I sold it to a friend just because it had a safety.
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Your " going back to basics" series of vids are really timely with all the new folks to guns and are really concise and fast moving! Sharing with people I know who are new to firearms.
Very informative Matt! As a newer shooter, this type of info is invaluable. I too love 1911's, but I rarely carry any of mine, not even my compact models. They are my favorite gun to shoot, and to even clean, but I don't want to have to worry about the thumb safety in a SD situation, also, 7 rounds is nice, but 13 is better! I am currently carrying a glock 23, my only glock, and am looking into m&p shield.
Very helpful, 10 years later.
Nice quick, accurate comparison video. You speak very well, nice pace with no "uh's", "uhmm's" and dead air.
I fully agree. I learned all I need to know in a timely educational manner. I now know the difference. I didn't fully understand it before.
One thing I would've brought up is the decocker on the Beretta 92FS. It's slide-mounted so that it can tilt the firing pin downwards, thus making it mechanically impossible to go off.
This video was very informative. Thank you for clearly explaining the pros and cons of certain weapons and safety mechanisms.
Kennya Nailah Seeney Glad u liked it, thanks 4 watching
I'm really starting to get away from striker fired guns and going back to dasa
Glock's trigger safety is only a drop safety to prevent momentum from moving the trigger. Just about anything that will directly move the trigger will also deactivate the trigger safety.
Some agencies around the world carry pistols with an empty chamber and have trained to pull the slide as they unholster the pistol. I live in a rural area with very little crime and I carry with empty chamber, unless I carry an all metal S&W as 669, 4566, 4006 and 3913 or my PPK if I feel the .380 enough for the trip/day. I make an exception to the CZ 40 P and RAMI, that have the half cock position. Good video.
Well I just hope some of those people find the stuff useful, thanks 4 watching
Best information! Finally clearing up all confusion! I didn't know the Sig 2340 should be decocked before firing.
Thanks ... the very best explanation of Safety vs Decocker vs Safety\Decocker I've seen. It was well organized and demonstrated with common sense reasons for each. Cheers!!
You said you'd be caught off guard an that's why you want a double action instead of a safety. BUT, if you're caught off guard you probably forget about the heavier trigger pull, and your first shot will completely miss giving the target the chance to retaliate. Whereas if you had just a safety turned on that wouldn't be problem.
Thanks 4 watching
Very interesting and informative video. Never even heard of a decocker before, shows what I know about firearms.
On the Beretta, any chance of accidentally decocking your weapon when you push down the manual safety just prior to firing?
I actually learned something very needed before buying or suggesting cc guns. Thanks
Nice explanation man!
I personally carry my XDM loaded but not cocked as it only takes a split second to do it and I practice it as part of my draw stroke. This is a compromise I'm willing to make for the added level of safety. But hey, that's just me.
Thanks bro, glad ya liked it
Glad ya liked it brother
I'm surprised you don't have a 1911. I bought one on the centennial a couple years ago.
My first centerfire handgun was a PT92 and it was a great gun but I got over the "need" for a manual safety once I got accustomed to carrying and now my primary carry is a G23 converted to 9mm.
Glad ya liked it, thanks 4 watching
Picked up a Sig SP2022 the other day. Love the way its set up.
its nice to see the different styles compared to each other,great job.
Nice presentation. Clear and to the point. Refreshing. Thanks.
Another great video Matt. I have a Zastava EZ .40 which many would say is a Sig P226 clone. Although Zastava Arms has been around way before Sig. But my point is, they both have the same decocker...serves me just fine.
Nice vid Matt, I had been embarrassed to ask what the decocker did.
Exactly brother, thanks 4 watching
you have some good points. but how easy is it for me to pull up vids of people accidentally shooting themselves with these guns with no safeties? even while teaching a class on gun safety lol? it's so simple, when you're out the house take safety off, when you're in a safe environment put safety on. i don't know anyone with a gun and decent range time who can't take their safety off. you think all these 1911 lovers can't take a safety off before they have to shoot something?
It's just as easy to find videos of people accidentally shooting themselves with guns that have manual-safeties. The manual-safety is only any damn good... if it's engaged. But to eliminate the risk of them accidentally forgetting to disengage the safety they train in the automatic muscle memory to disengage the safety as soon as they draw the gun. So as soon as it's out the holster it's capable of firing, so NO DAMN DIFFERENT!
"you think all these 1911 lovers can't take a safety off before they have to shoot something?
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Yes. They've done it enough times.
OR they just make it such a routine automatic reflex to disengage the safety as a natural and inherent part of the draw, it doesn't add any safety factor. I've seen cops with 1911 pistols shoot innocent people in the neck and paralyse them because the moment they clicked the safety down the gun fired.
The necessity of manual safeties is the make the gun drop-safe and resistant to impacts, poking and shuffling when inside a loose poorly fitting holster. Everything has changed now we have form fitting holsters that totally isolate the trigger along with internal drop safeties.
@@Treblaine >>because the moment they clicked the safety down the gun fired.>because the moment they clicked the safety down they pulled the trigger
@@SpencerWhetstone As I said, the manual safety can never help. If fundamentally fails to help when people break the golden rules of gun handling. Because you had to make it an "automatic reflex".
However there is one place (and only one as far as I know) where a manual safety really adds a safety factor and that's when holstering the damn thing. It's a great practice in many armies to turn on a manual safety just for the process of holstering, that's their "automatic reflex" to put the safety on before they holster and turn the safety OFF once the pistol is holstered. This is a really great combination, even when soldiers and marines are tired, cold, stressed and shot at, they fall back on learned reflexes.
Except one problem with that is many have a manual safety that you can't turn off once holstered. There's no need for the safety to stay on when it's in the holster.
@@Treblaine If you have a hammer fired DA/SA pistol and put your thumb on the hammer when you holster, you won't have a problem with an AD because you'll be aware of anything getting snagged on the trigger. Same with a striker fire with an exposed striker indicator like the Walther PPS.
This is the best differentiation on the different or common set configurations. Thanks for the info!
But that implies that a misplaced shot is worse than no shot at all. I'd rather have bad shot placement and run the chance that the other guy is then caught off guard when he realizes that I have a gun and am shooting at him, than pulling a gun and having nothing happen. Never mind the fact that in that situation your not going to know or feel the difference between a 5 lb trigger pull and a 12 lb trigger pull
Do you like any sub DAO pistols? I think that would be my preference for CC something small and simple, no safety but a heavy DA trigger. For defensive shooting I think I would be okay with that. Obviously that wouldn't be a range pistol or anything I would want to shoot for fun. I'm only curious on your opinion, I'm Canadian I can't CC anyway! Oh and I noticed your comment on 1911s do you not want to get another? Not for CC of course but to have for the sake of it and as a range gun.
probably the best video I have seen on this subject
EXCELLENT VIDEO. Just what I was looking for
I love it, had it for a few years now and its been a great gun
Wonderful review. You are very skilled, like the fast pace, straight to the point. Your an excellent presenter. I hate those videos that are 50 minutes to explain a 2 minute point. Most folks watch tons of videos in on sitting. I have clicked off on those long ass videos.
Great video matt,for carry I like no safety.
I prefer to regard striker-fired mechanisms as more similar to single action sear groups, since the pull of the trigger causes 1 action, as far as the firing mechanisms are concerned.
Yeah all the safeties are why I'm not a fan of Ruger semiauto pistols
They don't traditionally decock, u just carefully let the hammer down on a live chamber, its not exactly safe
Thanks Matt, I am with you, anything that would slow me down is not neccesary!
Did not know you owned a 17, How do you like it? I purchased a Gen 4 17, wanted a Gen or 4 19 but could not find one at all. I'm still not sure if I like the 17, but I know Glock magazines are, in my opinion, the Best ever, super high quality and well thought out.
Thanks for the responce
I also have asked YM, he hasn't responded as of yet.
Hope it was him.
Thanks for your vids, I enjoy watching them
Thanks, Took me awhile to find this video (what I was looking for).
Great explanation of the difference.
But what do you think of that pistols safety? Seeing how it works inverted compared to most.
Yeah a lot of people prefer DAO and striker fired options
I think it's a matter of perference. Today, people are not living in the wild west days were u have to draw a weapon and begin to fire, unless u are in law enforcement or business owner. But when a ordinary person pull that weapon out that alone will send signal to that intruder . But anyway, love ur videos.
Good point
I just want a Gun. Any Gun. Great video.
Glad ya liked it
this video helped me a lot ! thanks for the information ! how do you conceal carry ? apendix iwb? 4o clock iwb? greetings from panamá in central america
thanx. thats a nice lookin gun im gunna hav to look into it. how do you like it?
I think DAO pistols without a safety are great for a CCW pistol. I do want another 1911, just not as a CCW pistol or a go to self defense pistol
Although I do own Glock Pistols and carry them regularly, I prefer the Sig Sauer P2xx series DA/SA trigger system.
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Did one of your talk show guests read the 2nd amendment by reading the defination of each word from the dictionary ?
Yeah decockers are a nice option for self defense pistols
So basically what you're saying is that when technology and design gives people a better option for self defense, they should keep using an outdated design? That doesn't make sense, thats like saying "Well using leaches on people who are sick have a history of working for thousands of years, so there's no reason to go to the hospital, and anyone who would go to the hospital doesn't know how to take care of themselves". Facts are that there are now better tools for defense on the market.
I was disappointed you did not mention the brand or models other than that as usual you are are great educator
My partner is nervous about guns that don't have a manual safety. She has a baby Glock & won't carry it. I got her comfy with my 226 & the double action first shot but the Glock just makes her nervous. I convinced her not to sell it because I know she will eventually be comfy with it but she wants something in the meantime. That's kind of a common thing with new shooters. I wasn't comfy with the Glocks when they first came out but now there is no way I would buy anything with an external safety
Great video Matt as usual.
Excellent review! I agree with you bro. Thumb safeties are just an additional feature which you have to consciously remember to deactivate in a situation that you are not conscious of when it will happen. No Thumb Safeties, avoid touching the trigger if you are going to shoot. Draw, aim and fire when the surprise attacker approaches you.
Excellent summary thank you!
Wow, just a fantastic video. Extremely informative without being condescending to noobs. So many "experts" on RUclips have opinions and beliefs that get worked into each of their videos. That's fine, I get it, its their video. It just gets old when you are just looking for information. When I am looking for information on a certain gun, and I click on a video about that gun, I don't want or need to hear about how much someone thinks that safeties are for pussies.
Thank you for all of the great info, previous to seeing this video I was big on only buying guns that had safeties...but you present strong points on why a decocker makes more sense but retains a solid level of safety.
Thanks!!! cant wait to see more from you.
There's also a big difference in "decockers", as well. There are videos online telling people how, for example, to deactivate the decocker on their Beretta PX4 Storm pistol..! Yes, it'll still "decock" when you push the lever down, but if you've "fixed" it so that it pops back up when you release it, the gun can fire automatically after that. The decocker on Beretta handguns IS "a safety" - as the gun comes from the factory. Deactivate the manual return aspect of the lever - guess what..?? You've now essentially turned your Beretta into "a Glock"...!! Removing or deactivating a safety - even something like the grip safety on a 1911 pistol is stupid..!! Food for thought..!! I've been carrying concealed since 1978 (do the math..!) and I know what I'm talking about..!
Thanks
Yeah those types of pistols are very hard to accidently pull the trigger
I worry about my HK USP double action trigger pull. It’s so heavy, I’m almost certain to pull the first shot off target.
Good and precise and simple video , thanks
Thanks brother
I've had more 1911 pistols than any other design but sold my last one about a year ago
Awesome video...and great info. That's why I carry a Glock 27 always ready.
Yup, thats a good way to do it
you earned a subscriber with this video
I tend to agree
Awesome and informative out the gate. Thanks
On guns with both a decocker and safety can you carry the gun with both the hammer down and safety on? So you get the double action plus you have to hit the safety
along with good training, and teaching.
Not that I'm aware of, at least not on my live show, maybe on someone else's
Good video I will share for all my new friends that purchased hand guns! Thank you!
Excellent info posted here! Thanks for posting!
I carry a pt92 and do not use my safety. It is a de cocker only for me. the safety has never accidently been engaged either.
good job,good info,direct and to the point
I found the video, Firearms freedom 2013.
It was aqbout 20 mins into the talk show with the anti-gun guy when Larzul read the 2 nd amendment.
thanks again
good job. i too didn't understand the purpose of decocker. thanks.
I'm a big fan of decockers, my Ruger P95 was a decocker and my sig SP2022 is the same way. Nothing against the others it's just what I like.
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all these guns have different manuals of arms, and you must train with them. a 1911 is fine, but has a very specific manual of arms that you must practice with under stress. that's also why i dont prefer holsters with retention straps for concealed carry. just one more thing you have to remember before drawing and firing your weapon.
lol I agree but I have seen lots of new shooters that want a safety. I am going through that with my partner right now. She wants something with a safety. I got her to the point where she is ok with a DA but if she was just going out to buy something she would buy something with an additional external safety. I hate to say it but there is probably a pretty good market for manual safeties.
Man... First posting another capacity vid, and now this... I accept your challenge!!! LOL
What’s wrong with the 1911 you just pop off the safety and it’s da/sa ready to go
Nice vid man, I've not even seen one on this subject before.
you have loaded magazines on the table ?
What is your take on carrying a gun in condition 3?
Good gun
Glock and M&P with no external safety are the two firearms I carry. Once you get used to your firearm the safety and decocker will make you second guess your carry weapon. Not a position you want to be in.
My thoughts exactly. I carry a Kahr P9 and keep an M&P45 (no safety) at the ready at home. I had a Ruger SR9 that I really liked but I sold it to a friend just because it had a safety.
stupid question but what was that gun with just the decocker
Thanks bro
Great topic! This vid needed to be made!
Glad ya liked the vid, thanks 4 the sub
Good show,thanks for sharing!