Fitting Stainless Steel Braided Brake Lines. FZ1
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After years of riding bikes with rubbish rubber brake hoses and squishy braking feel at the lever, I decided that it was time to raise my FZ1's braking to it's full potential. So I set about replacing the stock rubber hoses with a set of stainless steel braided brake lines from Probrake: bit.ly/braidedlines.
Now remember, this is a 'How-Did' not a 'How-To'. And also remember to dispose of your brake fluid responsibly and safely. Don't just pour it down the drain, that stuff is NASTY!
Also remember that brake fluid is HYGROSCOPIC. This means that it absorbs moisture from the atmosphere and holds it in suspension. This gives lots of advantages when it's inside your braking system, but it also means that once the bottle of fluid has been opened, it immediately starts absorbing moisture. So once your installation and bleeding is complete, any brake fluid that you have left over is now unusable. With this in mind, I recommend getting small bottles of brake fluid like this: amzn.to/2Xoe7Sk, so that you never have much going to waste.
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Great video.
One thing I would add is that the reservoir screws are JIS screws. NOT PHILLIPS!! People bugger up those small screws on Japanese bikes all the time using Phillips screwdrivers on JIS screws.
Japanese Industrial Standard.
Look very similar to Phillips, but are different. If you have a Japanese motorcycle you really do need to get a set of JIS screwdrivers. E-Bay and Amazon have plenty of inexpensive options. Vessel is a quality brand that makes a set that has a metal top and can be used as an impact for this very job. Impacta is the line.
They will save your screws!
For anyone who’s never worked on break lines before, you will also need to take the break fluid reservoir cap off so gravity will help push it out if not it’ll just make a vaccums inside the hoses cause no air can flow inside n open it up. Just trust me if you’ve never done it before. And if you don’t think it’s doing better it’s as simple as putting the cap back on. But just do it.
Top tip! Cheers!
Thanks for the FZ1 videos as it helps immensely for those who have not done a brake line change like myself or whom are not too mechanically inclined.
My pleasure Jon. Happy to help!
Nice vid, just about to do this on my cbr 600. Also, good to see someone who has the sense to just puncture a couple of small holes in the brake fluid container seal rather than taking off the entire foil seal and glugging the stuff uncontrollably all over the place! much more controllable your way.
Cheers mate! My dad was a mechanic for 25 years, so i was sure to learn a few tricks from him!
Loving the way this bike is coming along. And at a reasonably steady pace, unlike like a lot of similar vids where money upon money is thrown at it to change it all at once. This is much more true to life, little by little. Well at least my life. Where each month or so i try to get something done/changed/renewed or refurbished.
Thanks agin for the vids.
Cheers Tyrone. My pleasure mate. Yeah the bike has to develop at the speed that I can either afford parts or convince brands to donate, which is not very fast!! I also have to fit the Spannering sessions around work so it gives it all a very ‚real life‘ kind of feel! 😄
Out of all the money I spent on my FZ8 on mods, braided lines was the best money I spent and that truly made a difference to my riding experience. I would recommend this over an aftermarket pipe!
Agreed. The feel is greatly improved now and with no pulsing or wandering during hard braking. You can’t go fast until you can stop fast!
Thank you for another enjoyable and informative garage video Mr MC.
My pleasure! Thank you kindly for watching!
The joys of pumping and releasing lol. Nice patient tutorial Andy, that brake fluid always gets me nervous. I learned working on Japanese bikes that some of their crosshead screws are different, known as JIS. (Japanese Industrial Standard) Bought a set of JIS screwdrivers and the bite/torque is significant, no stripping, might be the case for the brake reservoir screws. Cheers!
Cheers Eric. I think you’re absolutely right about the JIS and the reservoir screws. Philips drivers just destroy them in seconds.
Andy Man Cam I was probably the only one who didn’t get the memo they existed 😆
Haha! Don’t worry mate. I‘m late to the party too!
I just recently learned about JIS screwdrivers when working on my bicycles. Damned Phillips bits never fit the adjustment screws worth a crap. I bought a JIS screwdriver, and what a difference! Some research turned up that the stooopid Phillips bits were *designed* to torque out to "prevent over-tightening". The designers should have been tarred & feathered. On top of that, JIS *preceded* the Phillips standard by 20 years. So the Japanese got it right in the first place, then 20 years later, the brain-damaged Phillips standard was created.
Fjdy1jd1 So much wasted time, thrown tools & cussing for nothing- they ought to be flogged 😆
I bled the brakes on the SMT on Sunday. The bleed valves were leaking like the titanic and the little plastic bottle into which I'd even cut an X to put the tube through to stop it sliding out, then fell over and mess bloody brake fluid all over the place, in addition to the fluid busy leaking down through the Brembo frigking brake callipers. Eventually got it all cleaned up with copious amounts of brake cleaner but I did a wonderful rendition of Andy Man Cam's Bike Sonata in F*** sharp.
NOOOOOOoooooooo......... Sounds like a proper nightmare! In fact I’m pretty sure I had that same nightmare the night before I did this video! 😱
@@AndyManCam Without your videos, I wouldn't know how to swear in beeps and burps.👌
For my VFR I used to buy some spare reservoir screws and replace them every now and then - they all seemed to be made of cheese! Great instructions. Thanks.
A very good practice to have! 👍🏻
Thanks again AmC for sharing "your how to"
I'm just about to do the same thing to my FZ1 and remembered I saw this one some time ago.
Not that my original ones are done but I simply have to replace them to get rid of the original junction below headlight. Otherwise I cannot use my brand new front wheel stand 😁
No better reason for an upgrade than allowing the use of new gear!! 😁
Nicely done. Never a dull moment!
Absolutely not! Always something to do!
So glad my bike had full braided lines done when i bought it. Your fair doing the mods on this one. Cheers pal
Cheers again mate. It’s a must have for every bike I think. Very happy to have finally done it.
Another Top AMC Garage vid Andy!
Cheers mate! Finally the job I’ve been meaning to do since I bought the bike is done!!
Nice video Andy clear and concise 👌👌
Thanks very much Michael. Cheers for the watch!
Excellent tutorial 🤌
Thanks!
Many thanks!
Did mine some years back and I did the rear also, first time I ever put the anchors on hard I left 10 foot streak of rubber from the rear tire. Took a while to adjust my braking style.
Thanks :) Great video :) Best regards from Lisbon, Portugal.
Thanks Jose!
Thanks for this video, bookmarked for future use.
My pleasure! I hope it proves useful!
Laid up at home with a bad back. Needed this, thanks Andy!
I'm very happy to have distracted you for a few minutes Ray. Hope the backs better.
Good idea to leave the lever tied back over night as well to let any residual air work up to the reservoir.
Ah yea, of course! I completely forgot about that trick!
Should not be any residual air in the fluid. Dirt bikers do that when the brakes start to get a bit spongy, that's just old fluid for you, just pump the brakes a few time, or even during use they will stiffen up.
Thanks for this video, because I just upgraded my brake lines to stainless steel brake lines. I can’t wait to go out and test them out, because it’s raining this weekend. 😢
Very nice! Hope the rain buggers off, so you can test before you get corona lockdown!
just got new lines to. feel like im gonna be back to this video a lot
Good luck with the fitting! Enjoy the new sharper brakes!
@@AndyManCam gonna be a nice change
Love your vlogs
You really are about to become Handy Man Cam! For the FZ1 (and my FZ8) I wish the offer for better designed LED headlights was larger...
Thanks Walter! I totally agree. I’d be all over a decent LED headlight for our bikes. I even considered trying to budge an MT-09 headlight on. But the cost would be enormous!!
So relaxing...
Haha! Like boring relaxing or Bob Ross relaxing!? 🤣🤣
I think the brake reservoir uses JIS screws so that would be why they're being extra difficult (if there's a dot on the screw head that's an instant give away). I would love to do the same mod but the ABS model has hoses all over the place
I think you’re right. I’ve been meaning to get myself a JIS bit or two for ages. Just lazy, and the screws are paying the price!!
Not sure about them being JIS. My usual screw driver tackled them with ease and fit well in the groove. They appear to be made of plastic so be gentle on them...
Sorry, my OCD can't live with those hoses going either side of one horn. Either both hoses going between the two horns or one on the outside of each horn. I'm going to keep seeing that on all future videos now. 😬 That's another therapy session I've got to book! 😁
I feel you! But fear not. This is only a temporary situation. The brake lines are a step on the road to new handlebars. I’ve already fitted them, so the brake lines are already nestling warmly next to each other. Phew!!
@@AndyManCam what new bars did you fit😆
ABM 0084 ‚superbike‘ bars. Definite improvement. Both visually and performance wise!
My personal tip If you plan to replace brake lines Please inspect brake calipers also Its a good occasion to do some rebuilds and changing seals is rather easy task
Great tip. Very true indeed 👍🏻
Excellent narration with adequate level of detail. Thanks for the quality video, I still have a couple of years to 13 on my Fz6r hoses so I may need to do this in the distant future. Can you comment on what the steel braided lines cost in UK
Many thanks. No idea on the UK cost I'm afraid. Depends which brand, which style and which shop you buy them from!
Great videos... Info, opinion and lots of humor... One suggestion... Get rid of the damn reservoir screws... lol.... have fun
Haha! Very good advice Stephen! Thanks mate.
Braided lines will definitely increase brake pressure and increase braking performance. Great upgrade mate.
Cheers dude. I certainly hope so. At the Moment, they just look good!
Great vid too btw!
Nice one Andy. Couldn’t you get carbon fibre ones 😂😂I fitted them to my last bike, but thankfully my Tiger came with steel braided hoses as standard.
You actually can get Carbon look ones! But I thought it might look a bit baff, and also I wanted them to stand out against the black. I’m so vain. #Bling
Absorby Paper Stuff....that's a technical term!
Only top level professional terminology here.
Thanks for all your videos Andy 😎
I’m watching them with a big smile and in the same time learning a lot 👍🏻😎
Is there any reason that you choose to mount the 2-line alternative over the original 3-lines brake hose from probrake ?😬
I’m about to do the same to mine FZ1-S 06 and I’m just wondering which one to choose 😊
Best regards from Jesper, Albertslund, Denmark 🇩🇰
Many thanks and entirely my pleasure Jesper! With the 2 line setup (often also called the 'race' setup) you have a more direct connection between master cylinder and caliper. Gives less possibility for flex or swell (not that there is much possibility with braided lines!). It also takes away the brake line going over the mudguard, whicjh I think makes it look a bit tidier. TBH in the real world and in my clumsy hands, I probably couldn't really tell the difference! Even using the standard layout, braided lines will still give a far better feel and braking directness than the stock lines. 👍🏻
Thank you for your video, so nice, i have Yamaha FZ1 with ABS, can i do the same like you move this 3 stuf of durite, then i put just 2 cables? Your bike witn ABS? Thank you
Other day checked out your onesy at Louis Moto in Passu on way to Slovnia and mountains beyond! By cricky you have deep pockets Mr AMC they is expensive PJ's. Currently bunking down at Fondo heading Stelvio
Au contraire! Mr Louis had deep pockets and was kind enough to provide! 😬
@@AndyManCam Us Lancashire lads use string vest to keep cool
And to keep cool, and strain the potatoes, and catch fish, and.....
@@AndyManCam BTW, couldn't mount Stelvio from east coz snow blocked the passage, got within 500 of top, had detour round to Livigno 12€ each way ffks in't tunnel. Good AirBnB though
THAT is annoying. Sorry to hear it mate.
One important check to do is to leave enough wire length for the suspension to completely expand...maybe you mentioned this and I missed it, but since we are playing with safety it's better to say it twice than none :)
Not sure if I actually did! SO good tip and obviously VERY important!
So nice your tuto. Je souhaite mettre des durites d'aviation, surtout quand j'avais mis des rehausser de 30mm, je me rends compte que les câbles sont pas assez long, combien de cm de câbles il faut mettre afin la longueur soit just just? Merci beaucoup.
I have an 06 too, your frame still free of cracks.
Yes, it had no signs of cracking right up to when i sold it. I think it was only a certain batch of 06 bikes that had the problems.
Was looking to get braided lines for my bike, but as i have abs and fairings the job has been...eh..postponed 😄 It does look bloody great though 👍🏻
That I can fully understand!! My bike without ABS cost 75€. The ABS kit is over twice that! PLUS the incredible extra faff of fitting and bleeding. No thanks!!
@@AndyManCam Exactly! Might give it a try in winter.
handy andy, good job, is that an austin healey in the background.
Thanks Neale. I’m pretty sure it’s actually an MG-A. And a very fine example of one too! I feel like I ought to get myself a Triumph to further Britishificate the garage space!
pericolosi !!!!
Andy is that your MGA in the background of the garage? good vid by the way!
Cheers Mark! Sadly not. I own extremely little of what you can see in these videos! I only rent a half of a garage space so even the BMW next to my bike isn’t mine!!
Is your bike abs ? I have an 09 fz1s that I'm looking to follow this to change my lines . Also have you done a video for the rear brake lines
strange setup with the brake lines, I'm used to seeing either the splitter, or the left caliper is daisy chained off the right caliper, as is the case on the Versys.
They call it the ‚Race setup‘ apparently. Supposedly it’s what race bikes have because of the shortest possible way from master cylinder to caliper means tighter, sharper and faster braking. Obviously this also means longer lines, so the manufacturers go for the setup with the shortest overall Hose length. Cheapskates!! So far I’ve only been able to squeeze the lever in the garage! But it feels very firm already! 😂
Both new lines the same length? Normally with a 2 line set up the one for the left calliper is slightly longer to accommodate the fact it has to go further.
Didn’t really check tbh. Could be that one was a bit shorter and I just luckily got them the right way round! 🤪
Nice shiny stainless hoses something I need to do to mine. What about the rear brake?
The front brake was vital for the following handlebar swap. Back brake might get some attention one day, but I barely use it anyway so it’s not priority for the funds!!
Andy, did you do anything to remove the 'flex' from the washers on the rearsets? research shows people flip the rubber washers, or replace them entirely
Hi David. I never had any problem with it, so i left them as they were. I felt was less vibrations through the pegs on this bike than through any other I’ve had so i thought, if it ain’t broke...
nice video mate, watched a ton and this certainly is up there with the top ones. cood commentary and camera work too! keep it up. some poeple i cant watch without skipping bits hhahaha
Thanks! Happy to have kept you away from the skip button! ;)
what kind of crash cage do you have on the fz
SW-Motech.
sweat and blood goes into these videos, sweat and blood.
This time round, lots more of the blood! 😂
Anyone knows the lenght of the new hoses?
I can’t remember the total length, but they were 4cm longer than stock.
Nice video, i like your video's. your Bike is without ABS.
With ABS is very difficult.
how was the feel off breaking , after installation ?
I’ve not been able to ride yet. Crap weather and work. But in the garage, it felt considerably firmer. A definite improvement. Hoping to test on the road tomorrow.
Where did you order the brakelines ?
From the Probrake shop on eBay.
Andy Man Cam Can, luckily, nobody noticed me cut into my finger with a dremel during the making of one of my videos, because I did not film it, and hid my finger enough somehow nobody knew a thing lol. I'm going to bleed my brakes, I would get braided lines but they are a bit expensive and I just spent all my savings on the upgrades I have done :)
Ouch, that sounds no fun. True professional just to carry on and keep it quiet though! SS lines are a bit pricey sadly. But if you’re happy with your braking already, I guess why worry about it!
@@AndyManCam lol it wasn't to bad really, a bit sore for a few day's and left a little scar to add to many from working on cars for years.
My brakes do seem ok, but they definitely could do with a fluid change. When I topped them up the rubber gasket/seal was not on properly. Whoever put it on before, somehow trapped one side of it inside the reservoir so air was probably getting in.
@Jake Kirk It got expensive slowly for me you could say lol. As I don't work at the moment, it took the best part of a year to get my parts. It took ten months before that to save enough to trade in my 125 to get my '08 ER6f after getting my full license.
I've now fitted Renthal bars and grips, bar end mirrors and some nice levers, a nice but cheap fuel cap (lock on old one was corroded), DNA performance filter and NGK iridium plugs, Scorpion end can and new chain and sprockets, went -1 on the front.
With the free preload on the rear tightened up too, the bike now feels like a different bike all round :)
Thinking about doing this on mine. Did it change how the brakes feel? Did you do the rear as well?
Definitely. Much more direct, much more 'feel'.
I need to do this as I've just changed handle bars , do they all come the same length or is there a specific lenght for our fz1n gen 2
They come in surviving lengths for the bike, but you can also have them longer (which i did).
@@AndyManCam brilliant thanks Andy , the ones you got looked good , could I ask the length if you can remember please as the ones you bought are in German and I can't find them in the UK or read German 😂 , great videos too , thanks for the reply 👍🏼👌🏼✌🏼
Afraid i don’t know the exact length, but mine were 7cm longer than stock. Throw HEL an email. I think they can custom make whatever you need, based on stock lengths.
Hey Andy I just installed my new stainless steel brake lines on. I’m trying to bleed fluid back into to system like this but it’s not happening. Any help ?
Hey Hunter. Do you have ABS? If so, the bleeding process is far more complicated and I’m afraid I’ve never tried it.
Great vid. Think even I'd attempt that job now! Hope the finger is ok? (That's what she said) 😉
Thanks Scott. It’s really not too difficult. The only problem is the immense risk of making a horrible mess and destroying your paintwork in the process!! 😂 The Finger is healing nicely. Turns out I properly ripped it up! It’s gonna leave a mark for sure!
How many miles on ur fz1?
It had 62,000km when i sold it 2 years ago.
Hey Andy, m about to rebuild my brakes. What is the size of the hose used?
Hi Sam. I have no idea I’m afraid. I just picked the one from the list that matched my bike! 😁
@@AndyManCam no worries mate, I managed to bleed it. Now waiting for weekend to ride 🏍
Nicely done. Happy riding mate.
any idea of how long are these hoses?
Did you find out? Need to know as well 😮
@waterfordMARTIN I think they were 40mm longer than stock.
Andy, can you please measure the lenght of lines? Tnx
I’m afraid the bike is long since sold. Sorry!
Oh, too bad. Thanks any way
No worries. Good luck with the research. Might be worth emailing Probrake actually. I remember them being friendly and helpful.
Are you a watchmaker with those type of tools LOL you didn't check which line is shorter that's why you had to turn banjo, and this is not recommended. Also brake lines are zipped directly to metal parts, it's gonna eat thru metal like butter caused by vibrations. I hope you are still riding.
Never mind the old Yamaha, what about the lovely Airhead in the background, let's have a video about that?
I’d love to. But it’s not mine! I share the parkspace so that’s my garage rooomie‘s bike. I’ve never actually seen it on the road!
@@AndyManCam even better! Random motorcycle pimpage to a bike thats not yours could make an amazing video. How big would your smile be when you explain to the owner that the fuzzy grips and leopard print seat covers were free of charge.
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If he did that, his subsequent eviction would also be free of charge. Messing with other people's property is never a good idea.
That's probably the most OCD tutorial i've ever watched! One question, the camera is strapped to your forehead during those videos, right? How long it took to get used to not to bang it around against stuff?
Haha! It took a while! ‚Luckily‘ I was blessed with a big nose though, so I’m sort of used to something waving about a few inches in front of my face! I also have the camera mounted to the bottom of a baseball cap peak, so that also protects the equipment a little bit.
Do your bike have ABS? ... I talked to my mechanic and he told me that ABS systems may need to be pressure tested after changing hoses ...
Nope. I’ve got a non ABS model so everything was considerably simpler and cheaper!
Don't wipe brake Fluid off paint, rinse with clean water, to remove and bleed brakes better to use a vacuum pump especially for and systems
Very good advice. In that respect I was poorly prepared. A vacuum pump would have been great, but sadly the equipment budget was destroyed on the brake lines and backstage Haribo.
@@AndyManCam know the feeling about cash flow. Enjoy your videos.cheers
Nice vid! Any noticeable difference to your brake performance?
Thanks Chris! The lever has a much more firm feel to it now and when braking it seems a lot more like I can ‚feel‘ what the brakes are doing.
Banjo bolt cost need
The banjo bolts came with the brake lines.
I am contemplating to do the same....., however the bike is 6 years old and the SS lines cost 130 dollars, new OEM cost 40dollars......🤦♂️ As much as I think the stainless steel lines are super fancy and cool I have trouble justifying the expense......
The OEM lines will give me another 4-6 years after that the bike might not even be there anymore.....
Yeah it’s a tough choice to justify. For most of us, i think the brake feel of OEM is more than adequate. Except for bikes like the Versys 650, which apparently REALLY benefit from SS lines. I personally didn’t mind my brakes so much but I wanted the Race setup and the extra flexibility that would give me when I changed the handlebars.
Andy Man Cam I’ve got the 2008 versus 650. Where would I source braided lines from. I’m in australia
I’ve never been to Oz, so I’m afraid I’m of very little help! Google is your friend mate.
O dislike. Nice man
Cheers matey! They’re a very worthwhile upgrade!
Buy the correct screwdriver. JIS philips
Thanks. Already on it.
you stress way too much about the brake fluid. keep a can of brake cleaner near by with a wet rag. spray on, wipe off. never had an issue. just done leave it on the paint for too long.
Stress as much or as little as you want, but the longer the stuff says on the paint, the worse it will be damaged. I prefer to keep that potential damage to an absolute minimum!
Newbie
Thank you for your constructive input.
Too paranoid about brake fluid. It is not acid.. if you rinse with water it is ok.
Which is great if you have running water to hand. I’ve seen brake fluid destroy paint far too quickly NOT to be careful about it. You only ruin your paintjob once.