Dreams would be a great way to introduce someone into animation, film, music and game design. It would be really great to get to a point where you can export your work as a portfolio piece so not all your effort would be "wasted".
@@Dsadsasasad agreed. the cycle for a lot of kids prob went like this: fucking around in scratch -> fucking around in roblox -> following a unity/godot maybe unreal tutorial -> fucking around in the unity/godo editor
The British Ani action studio Aardman behind Wallace and Gromit were praising Dreams for exactly this the other day. It’s a brilliant set of tools to quickly and easily prototype ideas 💡
I love how you described the unease of realizing your creative works are somewhat stuck in Dreams. I think there's something incredibly freeing in the fact there's no end game beyond the pure creation and sharing it with other dreamers. If I want to make something in Dreams I make it for its own sake, it's a beautiful thing . "Escaping the formality" is exactly what that feels like when you're creating in Dreams and there's no friction and no expectations. Thank you for your perspective!
They should add some sort of fallow/subscribe function so you can fallow your favorite creators (I haven't played dreams yet, they might have this feature but most videos ive seen have made it sound like it only shows trending) that would make it a worth while investment to some people, especially those from the LBP player base, which would sink weeks into interesting projects.
@@jwalster9412 What really crushed Dreams has to be its dreamsurfing homepage. The top results displayed are MM Picks, creations that have the creators' seal of approval, and the all time most liked dreams. The problem there is that these rarely ever changed when you went back in, so despite having a lot of activity, you couldn't really tell from a first glance. If they'd added "weekly best" and "monthly best" rows, it would have felt more alive, even if it would have a tendency to get inundated with memes and shitposts. And it's likely that they didn't want those to take over, but that rejection or disdain could be felt, which killed a lot of motivation. And they did have a way to follow other dreamers as well as see their projects, but you had to scroll down quite a bit to see them. SImply put, the tools were genuinely mind boggling, but the user experience of dreamsurfing was very poorly thought out.
The lack of exporting/importing restricts it from ever being a professional tool... but it looks amazing to encourage intelligent development with kids and teens
Technically Dreams is not supposed to be a professional tool, that's what softwares like Unreal engine and Unity are for. This game is simplified for younger audiences to get a hold of, it's a great introduction to game design, music, film, art etc without the mess and overpriced softwares or classes.
@Lucid Perhaps, but committing so much time to making a game only to find that you don't own the game is not something which many game designers would be interested in.
I played a game called “Music 2000” on Playstation when I was a kid. Did I make any hits on it? No. But it sparked an interest in me, later I went on to learn music production at college and eventually became a music teacher, myself. It was a great access tool into something A) I didn’t have the funds as a child to pursue and B) I had no idea it existed.
So did I! I loved that "game". Got together with some friends online and we all submitted our content to the creators and got great feedback. That game is what led me to Reason and my love of music creation.
Yup! I've sampled some of my work in Music Maker into a couple of my old songs. I've actually still got the disc... and all my old save files. 😁 I've actually been confused about this before, so I went and had a look at the disc... Music 2000 is the Ps1 game I hear about a lot, but Music Maker for Ps2 is the disc I've used and still own. They even look very similar, but I don't believe they're related at all. I'll have to check into it. Only somewhat related, but I've just recently learned about and messed around with the Korg DS-10 synth and DAW-ish kinda thing for the Nintendo DS. Which can actually be a fairly powerful little thing tbh. I also recently heard of RYTMIK, which is a kind of unofficial DAW for the 3DS...? And also trackers exist for the original Gameboy/GB Color, that use their sound chips/synth engines... which is ....just too awesome 🤷♀️😆 ... And then there's the Korg Gadget for the Switch which is a whole other story. 🤣
I suppose it ensures that there won't be a marketplace that's flooded with all kinds of scams that are made just to rip people off. I reckon there's also a copyright-related issue with a platform like this, where plagiarism is hard to keep track of without some dedicated Quality Control.
"we always dreamed about" - I think people who really want to make a game don't need Dreams, they have real game engine, like Unreal Engine. Dreams is a game to taste creative process, but it's not supposed to be a proper game engine
If Dreams allowed people to export and sell their standalone projects, they would put Gamemaker and Construct and many other free game creation tools out of business overnight.
Well the Dreams creators really developed the game so people would get interested in game design and real game engines to eventually make their own games with.
@@swiggydswirl330 then they will get a very warped view of game development. Without the ability to export projects, Dreams is a toy and real game development software will come as a cold shock to anyone who gains interest in game development through dreams.
If they started allowing that, a lot of bad things could happen. People could scam users, And I don't think Sony would be too happy about them making money off of games. There's also some games that copy others dreams or games on the store so that could also cause problems.
I think it’s a stepping stone to the more advanced tools as you said but, does make me think that those advance tools could learn a heck of a lot from dreams.
The potential creativity in this Playstation game is absolutely staggering, but it comes with a price. Sacrificing lots of time and the willingness to learn the game. (The tutorials were overwhelming and sometimes stressful while using a ps4 controller, it overloaded my brain)
Yeah I think it would be really cool if for example blender had some of the sculpting tools of dreams, it has a lot of cool technology that I haven't seen before
@@ScottAndrew Sure but still way more user friendly than all the other tools to build 3D games. I think they found a great balance between keeping things simple and letting people do as much as possible.
@@njdotson The sculpting feature is similar to Zbrush, and blender DOES have something similar, but it's super heavy for most computers, even more than Zbrush already is.
Seriously if they don’t make something just like this for oculus that allows you to export it will be a shame. I hate moving or sculpting anything in 3D which is why I only make things in 2d, however... this is all fixed by the intuitive way you manipulate stuff in real space with dreams.
I'm a game developer and you brought up so many points. I've been very intrigued by dreams and it's fascinating to me. I love that creative tools can be so simple and more people can create, but at the end of the day I'm turned off because I already spend so much of my time learning my tools and getting better at making games, the I feel like creating in this ecosystem would hinder my ability to learn and use commercial game engines. Now I'm a 3D artist, and I've actually been diving into nomad sculpt on my ipad. It's actually a joy to use and creating on the ipad is great. If dreams were a program that I could jump between playstation, tablets, heck even phones, and computers I would be so much more inclined to use it. Especially if all those creations could then be ported over to whatever engine or program I wanted to use. That would be powerful
As a Dreams player i feel inspired and amazed by the quality is experienced in other people's Dreams. The problem is too many players tried to make full games with multiple levels and bosses etc. There are a lot of unfinished projects. I wish instead they had tried to make a standalone experience.
This game desperately needs a PC release to inject some life into it. It really is an incredibly robust set of tools and I feel like it never really reached the right audience on the PS4.
People expected another LBP game but Dreams is too unlimited in possibilities. The struggle of using 3 major layers in LBP is what really forced creativity out of people.
imo dreams still hasn't been pushed to its limits which is a massive shame. even the best projects still have that inherent "made in dreams" feel to them.
@@MajoraWaffle its only been out for a year and some change. Give it time. People are mastering it more and more everyday. I've seen crazy things on twitter.
there are plans for a PC release at a latter phase but one of the major issues revolves around the rights of created content. Model export for 3d printing is also muted for implementation at some point too but once again creative rights issue may be a complication. The focus on keeping content within the products age rating has also lead to the focus being kid friendly cutsey vibe which does the creative potential of Dreams a massive disservice
Got this for my daughter...she LOVES to create...there is NO end to the kind of stuff you can create and do with the tools they give you! Thanks for sharing your thoughts on it Pogo!
I wish that more software was like dreams in that even if it's not much of a game, it absolutely game-ifies the process of creating. If music making or sculpting or animating softwares were as engaging as any kind of video game (dreams in this case) then they would be far better off for a larger audience in my opinion. Being better for a larger audience means more creations out there, too
exactly, someone might be a talented producer but the fl studio interface doesn't convince him, meanwhile a software to create music like minecraft could be really fun
I don’t understand why they don’t offer proper exporting, kinda takes away the full satisfaction of completing a project. At the same time, still gonna devote endless hours to this.
I know that media molecule (the developers of Dreams) really want to add this feature in the future, but it's all down to whether Sony will let them as they're the ones who funded development
I think the initial goal was to foster a community that collaborates and shares. Dreams ever growing pool of community assets and logic is one of its biggest strengths. It’s much harder to build this attitude if everyone is rushing to export their games, or sculptures, or FPS templates, to steam or wherever to make a quick buck. But if and when the exporting trigger is ever pulled, this pool will be invaluable.
i dream of being able to export my scultures to OBJ so i can refine and repurpose them in blender, for an amateur artist like me that workflow would be extremely empowering
People put in hundreds, or thousands, of hours into games that require them to actively think and strategize and research. This game is basically that but for creatives. This doesn't feel much different than RuneScape or League of Legends in terms of time/effort cost, but Dreams will probably train up a more useful skill set.
@@dinbabwa452 It's been a while since my original comment, but I think I was commenting more about how people spend tons of their time on things that bring them no profit at all and are really just enjoying themselves. After rewatching the video, I still get my original feeling of "Do we really need to try to commodify what we do? People can spend as much time as they want doing whatever it is they want without worrying about what the 'better' thing to do is." Even though Dream is very similar to more standard creative software, it feels like comparing two different things. Not really apples to oranges, but like Granny Smiths to Golden Delicious. They're both good apples, and maybe you can more easily sell and profit off of growing Golden Delicious (let's say), but maybe I don't wanna stress about all that and I just wanna have some Granny Smith's in my backyard for my own casual use and enjoyment. That may have been a terrible analogy, but it hopefully brought across the idea that profitability may not even be something a person wants to worry about, they're just trying to enjoy a thing.
@SaneGhoul it's true doing things with tools for the sake of fun and joy is its own reward. Likely those skills will carry over to more professional work experiences. But sure it's an odd criticism to levy again a game that it's not pro enough.
@@SaneGhoul What you say makes sense but I think it's just nice to think that you can do both at the same time. I am a little annoyed that I want to master dreams but realistically speaking I don't have much time so have to learn blender and unreal first. Personally, I would love if unreal engine 5 had some of the capabilities of dreams because dreams is so fun to sculpt with the moves and I don't think unreal has this but maybe someone could create a plugin that could recreate the same sculpting experinece.
I remember when this was announced during E3. This game is definitely been slept on. The level of detail and the amount of stuff you can create is mind numbing really.
Yesss, love Dreams. Personally it’s been the only community where something I’ve created actually gets a response from people. Though it is isolated to itself, but you’re almost guaranteed an audience. While irl it’s common that content can get almost no recognition. And it’s a super positive community to be apart of. Cool to see you’re enjoying it too!
@@UglySofaGaming in Dreams I’ve made pinball and one janky adventure game. Irl just some instrumental albums, though I’ve been working on a bigger music project with some people recently. If you’re curious my SoundCloud is ‘Cervidae Music’
I’d honestly look at this as a creative exercise fun toolset. The fact it’s difficult to make anything professional out of it forces you to enjoy creativity for creativity sake and enjoyment and fun!
One of the best reviews of Dreams I've seen so far! It's great to see you actually also took the time to dive in and learn the tools, not many reviewers have the time or interest in creating to do that. And thanks for featuring my Warrior scene :-)
@@JMetalGuitarist You have a skill that not many have the discipline to pursue. Music and literature are to a mind, what a whetstone is to a blade. Never forget that.
I've seen this video maybe 5x, it's such a good intro completely seductive music very beautiful stuff pogomix, I've revisited this video over 10x hoping to find a new upload for your channel
I have this game but only play other people's work every once in a while. I'm glad you've talked about this. It's a highly underrated PlayStation entry that needs to be released on other consoles and PC to really make it peak.
shout out to the maker of this video.. The sound recording and mix is top notch... Really nice depth to the vocals.. 10/10 will watch again, if not to just listen to the vocals
@@tenj00 Someone actually made a music video with Dreams (for a Noah Cyrus song, I think). It was done with the developers and Sony, but still, it’s not like it’s an impossible concept. Not to mention you can still upload creations to RUclips and Twitter
Making environments in Dreams puts me in a state of flow. It feels so intuitive and fun rather than traditional 3D software with topology and vertices.
Brother, this is such a refreshing video. Your cadence, your tone, the topic and the discussion around it are all so seemingly non-existent on this website. Thank you for talking about creativity in such an inspiring and relaxed way. Peace.
Luckily, all those hours are not wasted as Dreams is actually a viable option when it comes to building a game design portfolio. Also, while I do agree most gamers don't want to make their own games, there's still clearly a large amount who are into the idea of doing so. I think Dreams is more geared toward that particular niche and I couldn't be more thankful that it exists. Just testing it out and seeing the stuff I could make has given me enough confidence to try my hand at other game engines, something I'm sure it's helped others with as well
I'm not familiar with the system, how could one use this as a portfolio? Do you search by author or take 3rd-party pictures/videos? Like Pogo said, it's not like one can export or render any projects nor share across many platforms with ease.
@@The_Caledonian i know this is not the answer you were looking for, But one of the games made in Dreams made it to the BAFTA finals. That dude could grant his gaming career if he listed that game on his portfolio.
@@The_Caledonian I suppose you could record it using the ps4/5 share button and upload it to a twitter account used purely for a dreams portfolio. Although that's not really ideal.
I use it to compose music and use in real game engine. Even modelling 3d and turn to 2d. I think the logic of programing will teach kids also using this even for fun. It is not wasted.
Dreams is one of the best games I've played to date, and I've played MANY games. The versatility and depth that this game displays is astonishing. It truly lives up to it's name.
I’m loving these videos you’ve been putting out lately. So insightful, professional, and interesting. You could spent an entire video talking about Froot Loops and I would watch it
This is such a good and fair review of Dreams' potential and limitations. I love creating in this software and wanted to see it grow and improve over time. Unfortunately Sony has reportedly cancelled completed PC and PS5 ports of the game, essentially throwing away over a decades worth of development at the final hurdle. I've done my best to adapt to new software like Blender, and although I've gotten good results, the actual process is tedious in comparison.
I wonder if more "professional" creative software will take inspiration from Dreams in terms of the intuitive controls. The biggest barrier to 3D modeling software seems to me like it has been the input controls and how arbitrary it feels to read pages and pages of documentation about a single feature that's buried behind 10 different things you have to click on in the UI... assuming you even know what the feature is called that you're looking for.
I remember seeing a little about this game during an event, I didn't realize it's scope, it's endless. And you are absolutely right about it's limitations on getting your content out there. I don't have a PlayStation, so this would have stayed an unknown had it not been for your video. If they could have marketed it as you own your creations, and you can send it to anywhere, the this would of changed the industry for the better. So many possibilities to reach so many people of all ages.
This was really neat. Dreams has had my interest for quite some time but I've never really thought about picking it up. Maybe I'll get it now, when it's on sale!
Bro, cheap music software costs like 15-50$. Cheap 3D software even more. Add a publishing(of sorts) and asset sharing system and tutorials? But nah, i get it. I’m also hella careful about where i spend my money. It didn’t keep me for super long time as it was my first attempt at such things. Very overwhelming in term of possibilities.
@@GoogleAccount-tg9lp Maybe that's not what the ceators of dreams wanted. I think that's fine. It will obviously have a smaller player/designer base and that fine.
@@damsel_deere Those are rumors not leaks, and those “rumors” are most likely just people wanting the game to come to PC instead of actually finding evidence that it is coming to PC
The thing about dreams that I realized is that unpaid people with an interest and a little creativity and with just a quarter of the time out-do most "professionals". It was the same thing with the modding scene with Skyrim. People with no training creating better content than people getting paid a lot to do the same.
i also don't think they were being "paid a lot" necessarily. developers are often underpaid and overworked, so they probably have little care for their job.
@@jwalster9412 and it is! Im a designer and 3D artist, and can I tell you?? Dreams is so fun and intuitive, and good in all ways of sculpting. Blender is trash compared to that. And I have like, a decade working in that area...I wish Blender and other softwares were like Dreams
@@Lukadsgr the ironic thing is I learned how to make (decent) cars in blender afew years back. I was originally going to use them as 3d models in a game but very quickly got tired of trying to troubleshoot code and trying to find tutorials. If dreams was on pc, it would be a game changer, probably not just for the modeling side, but even coding could be done with it and exported. Sad that it might stay on ps.
Man this is the first quality review of dreams i've seen and an amaeing one at that. your tone, maturity on the topic, professionnal perspective, and basically echausting coverage is a gift to anyone who's curious about the what can be done with it. Many thanks
If dreams were made into a tool for PC where developers could create indie titles it would be a big competitor alongside UE and Unity for creating games, or just anything really.
I was part of the creator beta for this game around early 2019, I've been loving the game ever since. It's such a surreal experience, just browsing games for hours and hours, It's easy to see why this game took nearly a decade to make.
Dreams is one of the coolest piece of software I've ever used. Learning curve is pretty steep though, game development is hard... who knew? PS: I'm a Senior Producer in the games industry and if you think making games on PC is easier or quicker, you are mistaken good Sir.
Thanks for talking about this game. It's truly fun to play around with and create in. Hope it gets a PC release one day to make it a powerhouse creative engine with a lower level of entry and a huge community to love and support it. Fingers crossed
And this is exactly why it needs to move to PC. This is insanely incredible and i am in awe from what can be done there, but i totally agree with all your points. When Dreams comes to PC it will completely change the scope of creation for good if not a whole game, movie and music industry, that is not an exaggeration. Simply because it could be hooked with anything you already use and improved upon or experimented with and then turned into a final product rather than the proof of concept. Love it and really hoping this gem of a tool will be on computers soon so the full potential can shine.
I think the issue would be trying to compete with all the big guns in PC, like unreal, blender, etc. It works well for PlayStation because it's basically the only game developer on PlayStation.
You literally spoke word for word what I’ve been thinking about dreams for the last week, I bought it on sale and the argument you’ve made is literally the exact same reason that’s kept me from diving in.
This is more of a tool for expressing an idea or concept to be professionally made in another game engine. Think of a quick sketch pad for to share ideals effectively. Though it would be ideal if they ported this game to pc and had an export feature for anyone to just run.
I started my game dev journey with Dreams and moved to Unreal Engine. Dreams became the perfect inspiration for me to pursue game development, and in a sense, it accomplished what it was made to do. However, even to this day, I still wish I can use Dreams professionally and really wish they can expand its publishing and monetization options.
I would really love to see where this is in 10 years from now, it's just the beginning and you already have infinite possibilities. Making that even more accessible and sharable in the future will be incredible. I had a conversation with my cousin recently, as kids we had Mario, now we have Mario maker. With dreams, we have everything maker. In the future, people will be able to play god in these programs, making worlds with their own rules, probably worlds that they wont want to leave.
I really want to see Dreams ported to PC, that'll really make it shine bright. And I'll pretty much have no choice but to buy it and a VR kit to satisfy my need to create.
"So, what DAW do you use?"
"It's complicated"
Man, I just want a full version of that opening music ( -.- )
Relatable
FL studio isn't that complicated :>
You are easily one of the coolest, most creative and inspiring people I've come across.
You too
Yep, you too dude!
Agreed, absolutely.
Lol. Ok guy with black profile pic.
And also the most homophobic.
Dreams would be a great way to introduce someone into animation, film, music and game design. It would be really great to get to a point where you can export your work as a portfolio piece so not all your effort would be "wasted".
@@Dsadsasasad agreed.
the cycle for a lot of kids prob went like this:
fucking around in scratch -> fucking around in roblox -> following a unity/godot maybe unreal tutorial -> fucking around in the unity/godo editor
Dude lbp 2 got me interested in game design more than I already was
The British Ani action studio Aardman behind Wallace and Gromit were praising Dreams for exactly this the other day. It’s a brilliant set of tools to quickly and easily prototype ideas 💡
I think Scratch is best for kids when it come's to game design
It certainly has introduced me into animation.
I love how you described the unease of realizing your creative works are somewhat stuck in Dreams. I think there's something incredibly freeing in the fact there's no end game beyond the pure creation and sharing it with other dreamers. If I want to make something in Dreams I make it for its own sake, it's a beautiful thing . "Escaping the formality" is exactly what that feels like when you're creating in Dreams and there's no friction and no expectations. Thank you for your perspective!
They should add some sort of fallow/subscribe function so you can fallow your favorite creators (I haven't played dreams yet, they might have this feature but most videos ive seen have made it sound like it only shows trending) that would make it a worth while investment to some people, especially those from the LBP player base, which would sink weeks into interesting projects.
@@jwalster9412 What really crushed Dreams has to be its dreamsurfing homepage. The top results displayed are MM Picks, creations that have the creators' seal of approval, and the all time most liked dreams. The problem there is that these rarely ever changed when you went back in, so despite having a lot of activity, you couldn't really tell from a first glance. If they'd added "weekly best" and "monthly best" rows, it would have felt more alive, even if it would have a tendency to get inundated with memes and shitposts. And it's likely that they didn't want those to take over, but that rejection or disdain could be felt, which killed a lot of motivation.
And they did have a way to follow other dreamers as well as see their projects, but you had to scroll down quite a bit to see them. SImply put, the tools were genuinely mind boggling, but the user experience of dreamsurfing was very poorly thought out.
The lack of exporting/importing restricts it from ever being a professional tool... but it looks amazing to encourage intelligent development with kids and teens
Technically Dreams is not supposed to be a professional tool, that's what softwares like Unreal engine and Unity are for. This game is simplified for younger audiences to get a hold of, it's a great introduction to game design, music, film, art etc without the mess and overpriced softwares or classes.
@@VulpinetideCuteTimes0w0 it's kind of the RUclips equivalent of gaming
i feel like dreams is a beta for something greater
@Lucid Perhaps, but committing so much time to making a game only to find that you don't own the game is not something which many game designers would be interested in.
if u can import u will not create
I played a game called “Music 2000” on Playstation when I was a kid. Did I make any hits on it? No. But it sparked an interest in me, later I went on to learn music production at college and eventually became a music teacher, myself. It was a great access tool into something A) I didn’t have the funds as a child to pursue and B) I had no idea it existed.
Music Maker 2000? I recorded and exported some songs I made from that a long time ago, still have the MP3s I made from the ripped audio lol
So did I! I loved that "game". Got together with some friends online and we all submitted our content to the creators and got great feedback. That game is what led me to Reason and my love of music creation.
I put a lot of hours into that game and I still remember it fondly
Yup! I've sampled some of my work in Music Maker into a couple of my old songs.
I've actually still got the disc... and all my old save files. 😁
I've actually been confused about this before, so I went and had a look at the disc... Music 2000 is the Ps1 game I hear about a lot, but Music Maker for Ps2 is the disc I've used and still own.
They even look very similar, but I don't believe they're related at all. I'll have to check into it.
Only somewhat related, but I've just recently learned about and messed around with the Korg DS-10 synth and DAW-ish kinda thing for the Nintendo DS. Which can actually be a fairly powerful little thing tbh.
I also recently heard of RYTMIK, which is a kind of unofficial DAW for the 3DS...? And also trackers exist for the original Gameboy/GB Color, that use their sound chips/synth engines... which is ....just too awesome 🤷♀️😆
... And then there's the Korg Gadget for the Switch which is a whole other story. 🤣
Dreams is good for inspiration and sparking interest in game development.
Its essentially a Hyper intuitive Game engine we always dreamed about without the feature to export, sell, and fullfill your indie game dev dream :(
Yet 👀
I suppose it ensures that there won't be a marketplace that's flooded with all kinds of scams that are made just to rip people off. I reckon there's also a copyright-related issue with a platform like this, where plagiarism is hard to keep track of without some dedicated Quality Control.
@@jharju2352 yeah the whole remixing thing kinda falls apart when you add money to the system
"we always dreamed about" - I think people who really want to make a game don't need Dreams, they have real game engine, like Unreal Engine. Dreams is a game to taste creative process, but it's not supposed to be a proper game engine
@@BigChiken44 the creators intend for it to be a proper game engine and even hired a creator to work with their team.
If Dreams allowed people to export and sell their standalone projects, they would put Gamemaker and Construct and many other free game creation tools out of business overnight.
Without question. Believe that creators should make the base game free and allow users to sell dlc
Well the Dreams creators really developed the game so people would get interested in game design and real game engines to eventually make their own games with.
@@swiggydswirl330 then they will get a very warped view of game development. Without the ability to export projects, Dreams is a toy and real game development software will come as a cold shock to anyone who gains interest in game development through dreams.
If they started allowing that, a lot of bad things could happen. People could scam users, And I don't think Sony would be too happy about them making money off of games. There's also some games that copy others dreams or games on the store so that could also cause problems.
@@spencer5372 I mean, nothing to stop you from creating Mario 64 in Unreal Engine. Same concepts apply.
I think it’s a stepping stone to the more advanced tools as you said but, does make me think that those advance tools could learn a heck of a lot from dreams.
The potential creativity in this Playstation game is absolutely staggering, but it comes with a price. Sacrificing lots of time and the willingness to learn the game.
(The tutorials were overwhelming and sometimes stressful while using a ps4 controller, it overloaded my brain)
Yeah I think it would be really cool if for example blender had some of the sculpting tools of dreams, it has a lot of cool technology that I haven't seen before
@@ScottAndrew Sure but still way more user friendly than all the other tools to build 3D games.
I think they found a great balance between keeping things simple and letting people do as much as possible.
@@njdotson The sculpting feature is similar to Zbrush, and blender DOES have something similar, but it's super heavy for most computers, even more than Zbrush already is.
Seriously if they don’t make something just like this for oculus that allows you to export it will be a shame. I hate moving or sculpting anything in 3D which is why I only make things in 2d, however... this is all fixed by the intuitive way you manipulate stuff in real space with dreams.
I'm a game developer and you brought up so many points. I've been very intrigued by dreams and it's fascinating to me. I love that creative tools can be so simple and more people can create, but at the end of the day I'm turned off because I already spend so much of my time learning my tools and getting better at making games, the I feel like creating in this ecosystem would hinder my ability to learn and use commercial game engines. Now I'm a 3D artist, and I've actually been diving into nomad sculpt on my ipad. It's actually a joy to use and creating on the ipad is great. If dreams were a program that I could jump between playstation, tablets, heck even phones, and computers I would be so much more inclined to use it. Especially if all those creations could then be ported over to whatever engine or program I wanted to use. That would be powerful
Isn't using a video game to create music how you got started when you were a kid? Freaking amazing
Pretty much! We've come full circle.
@@Pogomix what game was your start to making music?
@@ethanwild3301 I think he said it was a game called Music for the PS1, it's in the "Pogo's Tips" video
@@1___nadena thanks
Music on the PS1 was an awesome tool.
As a Dreams player i feel inspired and amazed by the quality is experienced in other people's Dreams.
The problem is too many players tried to make full games with multiple levels and bosses etc. There are a lot of unfinished projects. I wish instead they had tried to make a standalone experience.
This game desperately needs a PC release to inject some life into it. It really is an incredibly robust set of tools and I feel like it never really reached the right audience on the PS4.
People expected another LBP game but Dreams is too unlimited in possibilities. The struggle of using 3 major layers in LBP is what really forced creativity out of people.
imo dreams still hasn't been pushed to its limits which is a massive shame. even the best projects still have that inherent "made in dreams" feel to them.
@@MajoraWaffle its only been out for a year and some change. Give it time. People are mastering it more and more everyday. I've seen crazy things on twitter.
there are plans for a PC release at a latter phase but one of the major issues revolves around the rights of created content. Model export for 3d printing is also muted for implementation at some point too but once again creative rights issue may be a complication.
The focus on keeping content within the products age rating has also lead to the focus being kid friendly cutsey vibe which does the creative potential of Dreams a massive disservice
Agreed
00:40 is soooooo dope, i need a video of the full track
Literally been searching trying to find the track!!!
@@Jaylw901 same :(
maybe he just came up with it?
Lol this is pogo we're talking about, of course he made it.
Got this for my daughter...she LOVES to create...there is NO end to the kind of stuff you can create and do with the tools they give you! Thanks for sharing your thoughts on it Pogo!
You’re an incredibly neat parent for getting your child this
You should also introduce her to more powerful and multi platform softwares like he mentioned would be very useful in the future.
I wish that more software was like dreams in that even if it's not much of a game, it absolutely game-ifies the process of creating. If music making or sculpting or animating softwares were as engaging as any kind of video game (dreams in this case) then they would be far better off for a larger audience in my opinion. Being better for a larger audience means more creations out there, too
exactly, someone might be a talented producer but the fl studio interface doesn't convince him, meanwhile a software to create music like minecraft could be really fun
I don’t understand why they don’t offer proper exporting, kinda takes away the full satisfaction of completing a project.
At the same time, still gonna devote endless hours to this.
I know that media molecule (the developers of Dreams) really want to add this feature in the future, but it's all down to whether Sony will let them as they're the ones who funded development
I think the initial goal was to foster a community that collaborates and shares. Dreams ever growing pool of community assets and logic is one of its biggest strengths. It’s much harder to build this attitude if everyone is rushing to export their games, or sculptures, or FPS templates, to steam or wherever to make a quick buck. But if and when the exporting trigger is ever pulled, this pool will be invaluable.
well you can export videos... I mean they are right there in this video here
i dream of being able to export my scultures to OBJ so i can refine and repurpose them in blender, for an amateur artist like me that workflow would be extremely empowering
@@hotpaws_maths_and_science that's simply impossible. Dreams uses their own voxel engine, which means it's impossible to export this in other formats
People put in hundreds, or thousands, of hours into games that require them to actively think and strategize and research. This game is basically that but for creatives. This doesn't feel much different than RuneScape or League of Legends in terms of time/effort cost, but Dreams will probably train up a more useful skill set.
I love your perspective!
Yup and nothing wrong with that. But he is saying it's better to spend that kind of time using software that will allow you to profit from your work.
@@dinbabwa452 It's been a while since my original comment, but I think I was commenting more about how people spend tons of their time on things that bring them no profit at all and are really just enjoying themselves.
After rewatching the video, I still get my original feeling of "Do we really need to try to commodify what we do? People can spend as much time as they want doing whatever it is they want without worrying about what the 'better' thing to do is."
Even though Dream is very similar to more standard creative software, it feels like comparing two different things. Not really apples to oranges, but like Granny Smiths to Golden Delicious. They're both good apples, and maybe you can more easily sell and profit off of growing Golden Delicious (let's say), but maybe I don't wanna stress about all that and I just wanna have some Granny Smith's in my backyard for my own casual use and enjoyment.
That may have been a terrible analogy, but it hopefully brought across the idea that profitability may not even be something a person wants to worry about, they're just trying to enjoy a thing.
@SaneGhoul it's true doing things with tools for the sake of fun and joy is its own reward. Likely those skills will carry over to more professional work experiences. But sure it's an odd criticism to levy again a game that it's not pro enough.
@@SaneGhoul What you say makes sense but I think it's just nice to think that you can do both at the same time. I am a little annoyed that I want to master dreams but realistically speaking I don't have much time so have to learn blender and unreal first. Personally, I would love if unreal engine 5 had some of the capabilities of dreams because dreams is so fun to sculpt with the moves and I don't think unreal has this but maybe someone could create a plugin that could recreate the same sculpting experinece.
I remember when this was announced during E3. This game is definitely been slept on. The level of detail and the amount of stuff you can create is mind numbing really.
it has so much potential that would happen if it was on PC, reaching more people
this game is like lbp but absolutely JACKED.
Same company in case anyone didn’t know
Yesss, love Dreams. Personally it’s been the only community where something I’ve created actually gets a response from people. Though it is isolated to itself, but you’re almost guaranteed an audience. While irl it’s common that content can get almost no recognition. And it’s a super positive community to be apart of. Cool to see you’re enjoying it too!
What have you created Eric?
@@UglySofaGaming in Dreams I’ve made pinball and one janky adventure game. Irl just some instrumental albums, though I’ve been working on a bigger music project with some people recently.
If you’re curious my SoundCloud is ‘Cervidae Music’
@@shweetdude543 is your pinball table decent? Give me the title and I’ll give it a go!
@@UglySofaGaming I’ve currently got 3 pinballs, my best imo is Twin Peaks themed. My psn is Shweetdude if you wanna look em up!
RIP Dreams. So much for 10 yrs of support.
2:16 jesus that looks good! also i am blown away to see there’s an actual use case for PS Move controllers in the year 2021 lmao
hehe binbows
hey look its avid google earth vr user nick binbowson
hi nick
Aren't you supposed to be booking a ticket to Japan? :P
have you reckoned with your past, nick?
I’d honestly look at this as a creative exercise fun toolset. The fact it’s difficult to make anything professional out of it forces you to enjoy creativity for creativity sake and enjoyment and fun!
Great perspective, thx!
One of the best reviews of Dreams I've seen so far! It's great to see you actually also took the time to dive in and learn the tools, not many reviewers have the time or interest in creating to do that. And thanks for featuring my Warrior scene :-)
Not everything must have a goal nor is it required to be financially profitable to have value.
Why can't anyone have a hobby anymore? One that doesn't have an end goal.
You don’t know how much this comment means to a musician 😭
@@JMetalGuitarist You have a skill that not many have the discipline to pursue. Music and literature are to a mind, what a whetstone is to a blade. Never forget that.
Just reading the comments in this thread you guys are awesome! Lol
@@dynamite215 so are you
Had this "game" for 2 years now. It may be the greatest mind exploring thing of all time.
Right up there with psilocybin.
how
lol
mushroom gang
I haven't heard of this psilocybin game you speak of, where can I buy it?
@@sknd7178 meet you in back
I've seen this video maybe 5x, it's such a good intro completely seductive music very beautiful stuff pogomix, I've revisited this video over 10x hoping to find a new upload for your channel
The Virgin Ableton user vs the Chad Dreams DIY DAW engineer
LOLLL
The GigaChad WarioWare D.I.Y. Composer
You forgot about the gracious Powerpoint beats maker
Your voice is so incredibly comfortable to listen to. God damn!
I have this game but only play other people's work every once in a while. I'm glad you've talked about this. It's a highly underrated PlayStation entry that needs to be released on other consoles and PC to really make it peak.
Your setup is top notch! Camera, sound, lights, background ..... Even how you speak. Sooooo goood. Brilliant work!!!
The beginning was pure bliss. The middle was pure bliss this whole video was just calming and blissful.
shout out to the maker of this video.. The sound recording and mix is top notch... Really nice depth to the vocals.. 10/10 will watch again, if not to just listen to the vocals
bruh please make a whole music video with this it'd be sick
He explains it: You cannot export anything and you don't have the licence to market your own creations. It's a walled garden. A useless concept.
@@tenj00 just as he recorded the video demos so can he the same with a music video
@@tenj00 Someone actually made a music video with Dreams (for a Noah Cyrus song, I think). It was done with the developers and Sony, but still, it’s not like it’s an impossible concept.
Not to mention you can still upload creations to RUclips and Twitter
@@tenj00 you can record videos on ps4
Rip Dreams. What a waste of revolutionary potential. Was fun being part of it while it lasted.
This video is bafflingly good. It recharges me to see content like this. Hard to put into words. Thanks, man
I'm BLOWN AWAY but the quality of your microphone
Making environments in Dreams puts me in a state of flow. It feels so intuitive and fun rather than traditional 3D software with topology and vertices.
Brother, this is such a refreshing video. Your cadence, your tone, the topic and the discussion around it are all so seemingly non-existent on this website. Thank you for talking about creativity in such an inspiring and relaxed way. Peace.
Luckily, all those hours are not wasted as Dreams is actually a viable option when it comes to building a game design portfolio. Also, while I do agree most gamers don't want to make their own games, there's still clearly a large amount who are into the idea of doing so. I think Dreams is more geared toward that particular niche and I couldn't be more thankful that it exists. Just testing it out and seeing the stuff I could make has given me enough confidence to try my hand at other game engines, something I'm sure it's helped others with as well
I'm not familiar with the system, how could one use this as a portfolio? Do you search by author or take 3rd-party pictures/videos? Like Pogo said, it's not like one can export or render any projects nor share across many platforms with ease.
@@The_Caledonian i know this is not the answer you were looking for, But one of the games made in Dreams made it to the BAFTA finals. That dude could grant his gaming career if he listed that game on his portfolio.
@@The_Caledonian I suppose you could record it using the ps4/5 share button and upload it to a twitter account used purely for a dreams portfolio. Although that's not really ideal.
I use it to compose music and use in real game engine. Even modelling 3d and turn to 2d. I think the logic of programing will teach kids also using this even for fun. It is not wasted.
If you’re into 2D I highly suggest GameMaker Studio. I learned the basics in just a few days, and it’s been fun.
Addicted to the opening track you made. Sounds very sweet and nostalgic. Would love to hear the full version!
Dreams is one of the best games I've played to date, and I've played MANY games. The versatility and depth that this game displays is astonishing. It truly lives up to it's name.
Pogo! Please remake "Likes" into a full video! It is so underrated and it's such a banger!
I’m loving these videos you’ve been putting out lately. So insightful, professional, and interesting. You could spent an entire video talking about Froot Loops and I would watch it
Thanks Zac. The software or the cereal?
@@Pogomix Didn't even know there was a software called Froot Loops. lol color me intrigued
This is such a good and fair review of Dreams' potential and limitations.
I love creating in this software and wanted to see it grow and improve over time. Unfortunately Sony has reportedly cancelled completed PC and PS5 ports of the game, essentially throwing away over a decades worth of development at the final hurdle. I've done my best to adapt to new software like Blender, and although I've gotten good results, the actual process is tedious in comparison.
I wonder if more "professional" creative software will take inspiration from Dreams in terms of the intuitive controls. The biggest barrier to 3D modeling software seems to me like it has been the input controls and how arbitrary it feels to read pages and pages of documentation about a single feature that's buried behind 10 different things you have to click on in the UI... assuming you even know what the feature is called that you're looking for.
You can say zbrush its ok
Touching on the versatility AND the limitations in a way relevant to me got you a sub. Thanks.
Finally... the recognition Dreams deserves
this is such a well made video I had to sub
So full circle. So happy to see you thriving❤️
Wow! This video blew up! Awesome job Nick!
Nick, I could listen to you talk about literally anything all day long.
@@Vidyadude Now that came out of the left field...
@@Vidyadude Could you elaborate pls?
He does have one of those soothing 'Radio' voices.
@@Vidyadude I don't understand this comment.
Your voice input is deep rich and crisp, sounds lovely.
I remember seeing a little about this game during an event, I didn't realize it's scope, it's endless. And you are absolutely right about it's limitations on getting your content out there. I don't have a PlayStation, so this would have stayed an unknown had it not been for your video. If they could have marketed it as you own your creations, and you can send it to anywhere, the this would of changed the industry for the better. So many possibilities to reach so many people of all ages.
Awesome video. Editing. Commentary. And an honest thorough analysis on the potential of dreams makes this video so good.
This was really neat. Dreams has had my interest for quite some time but I've never really thought about picking it up. Maybe I'll get it now, when it's on sale!
Bro, cheap music software costs like 15-50$. Cheap 3D software even more. Add a publishing(of sorts) and asset sharing system and tutorials?
But nah, i get it. I’m also hella careful about where i spend my money. It didn’t keep me for super long time as it was my first attempt at such things. Very overwhelming in term of possibilities.
I don’t understand how you only have 40k subs. The content you’re making are awesome!!
People who make Dreams content are making art just to make art
And that’s fine but they should be able to share their art with a much wider scope
@@GoogleAccount-tg9lp Maybe that's not what the ceators of dreams wanted. I think that's fine. It will obviously have a smaller player/designer base and that fine.
This is your best video in the last six years! Congratulations!
Dream needs to be freely pre-installed in every playstation 4/5, and make a social/publication platform out of it, and make profit off publishing
they are making a program to make a profit off of some works
@@leisimmons7562 What’s it called exactly???
First video I’ve ever seen on this channel. Really great. Subscribed!
Makes me want to buy a PS4 and motion controls just for this.
Please don't. There's rumors of Dreams being ported to PC with full VR support, might wanna wait for that instead ;)
@@damsel_deere Assuming one doesn't have a good computer or VR headset, a used PS4 is probably more convenient and affordable.
@@SaneGhoul That is true, but PSVR being PSVR I would strongly reccomend a Quest 2 against it. (Hoping Dreams comes to standalone)
@@damsel_deere Those are rumors not leaks, and those “rumors” are most likely just people wanting the game to come to PC instead of actually finding evidence that it is coming to PC
I think of Dream Surfing as the early internet, and Dream Shaping as Adobe Flash
I just discovered Dreams myself about 2 weeks ago. It's amazing how powerful it is.
The thing about dreams that I realized is that unpaid people with an interest and a little creativity and with just a quarter of the time out-do most "professionals".
It was the same thing with the modding scene with Skyrim. People with no training creating better content than people getting paid a lot to do the same.
Going to assume because they have a passion that professionals either never had or lost because of the stress of the job
i also don't think they were being "paid a lot" necessarily. developers are often underpaid and overworked, so they probably have little care for their job.
Looks a hell of alot easier that trying to learn blender and gimp for 3R modeling.
@@jwalster9412 and it is! Im a designer and 3D artist, and can I tell you?? Dreams is so fun and intuitive, and good in all ways of sculpting. Blender is trash compared to that. And I have like, a decade working in that area...I wish Blender and other softwares were like Dreams
@@Lukadsgr the ironic thing is I learned how to make (decent) cars in blender afew years back. I was originally going to use them as 3d models in a game but very quickly got tired of trying to troubleshoot code and trying to find tutorials. If dreams was on pc, it would be a game changer, probably not just for the modeling side, but even coding could be done with it and exported. Sad that it might stay on ps.
This looks so cool and so intimidating all at once.
Man this is the first quality review of dreams i've seen and an amaeing one at that.
your tone, maturity on the topic, professionnal perspective, and basically echausting coverage is a gift to anyone who's curious about the what can be done with it. Many thanks
If dreams were made into a tool for PC where developers could create indie titles it would be a big competitor alongside UE and Unity for creating games, or just anything really.
Honestly im nit sure if unity could compete, mabey unreal.
Who knows maybe in future sony will actually allow that and see potential in having its own unreal engine thingy thats open to all platforms
Loved this video and the discussion on game development. Never stop making these video essays!
This is literally the first time I'm hearing about this game.
How did I go so long without it?!
I just learned of the game hours ago 😶
Sony marketing is horrible on this game
Cuz it's PlayStation exclusive
I was part of the creator beta for this game around early 2019, I've been loving the game ever since. It's such a surreal experience, just browsing games for hours and hours, It's easy to see why this game took nearly a decade to make.
Dreams is one of the coolest piece of software I've ever used. Learning curve is pretty steep though, game development is hard... who knew?
PS: I'm a Senior Producer in the games industry and if you think making games on PC is easier or quicker, you are mistaken good Sir.
stunning stuff! from what i hear here this sounds amazing! also that intro song is an absoloute bop!
I don't play console games and don't own a console so I would never have known about Dreams. Now I want to give it a try. Thank you Pogo!
Thanks for talking about this game. It's truly fun to play around with and create in.
Hope it gets a PC release one day to make it a powerhouse creative engine with a lower level of entry and a huge community to love and support it. Fingers crossed
Thank you for making this video. Dreams deserves to evolve into something that serves Mm and Dreams’ users in a more beneficial way.
You mic sounds fucking awesome btw. I also LOVE the way you shoot with the background blurred like that. It looks really nice.
I would absolutely throw money at my screen if this came to PC.
I loved your reviews and gaming vids keep em up
Can you use move controllers without a vr headset????
Yes, but you need like playstation 4 camera
Love that you want to recreate Dungeon Keeper :)
And this is exactly why it needs to move to PC. This is insanely incredible and i am in awe from what can be done there, but i totally agree with all your points.
When Dreams comes to PC it will completely change the scope of creation for good if not a whole game, movie and music industry, that is not an exaggeration. Simply because it could be hooked with anything you already use and improved upon or experimented with and then turned into a final product rather than the proof of concept.
Love it and really hoping this gem of a tool will be on computers soon so the full potential can shine.
I think the issue would be trying to compete with all the big guns in PC, like unreal, blender, etc. It works well for PlayStation because it's basically the only game developer on PlayStation.
Been following you for a very long time, and to see you do stuff like this is super awesome!
You havent started talking yet and i want to buy it just for the sound engineering
Do it! The value for money is outstanding.
Coming back to listen to 0:31 is so nice man, just wish I could listen to it in full...
Omg I bought Dreams a while back and I never even used it. I need to look back into it! 👀
You literally spoke word for word what I’ve been thinking about dreams for the last week, I bought it on sale and the argument you’ve made is literally the exact same reason that’s kept me from diving in.
This is more of a tool for expressing an idea or concept to be professionally made in another game engine. Think of a quick sketch pad for to share ideals effectively. Though it would be ideal if they ported this game to pc and had an export feature for anyone to just run.
This is one of the best, if no the best, reviews of anything I’ve ever watched. Cheers mate.
I started my game dev journey with Dreams and moved to Unreal Engine. Dreams became the perfect inspiration for me to pursue game development, and in a sense, it accomplished what it was made to do. However, even to this day, I still wish I can use Dreams professionally and really wish they can expand its publishing and monetization options.
Wowwww man I discovered ur main channel today.....u were wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy ahead of your time
I would really love to see where this is in 10 years from now, it's just the beginning and you already have infinite possibilities. Making that even more accessible and sharable in the future will be incredible.
I had a conversation with my cousin recently, as kids we had Mario, now we have Mario maker. With dreams, we have everything maker. In the future, people will be able to play god in these programs, making worlds with their own rules, probably worlds that they wont want to leave.
Great video, very well done. You’ve gained yourself a subscriber today.
I really want to see Dreams ported to PC, that'll really make it shine bright.
And I'll pretty much have no choice but to buy it and a VR kit to satisfy my need to create.
Dude, your voice is God-like. Amazing video!
I'd love to see a track from you done in dreams.
your production is so good it's absurd
2:15 can't fool me, that's just no man's sky gameplay
I've really gotten into making music on Dreams lately. Great video.