With the new update Seal of Command and Seal of Martyrdom are now twistable! Swing Timer Weakaura (Just copy this string and import it into your Weakaura addon ingame): 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@@x8sNaKe8x Hi, you need the english client for it to work and this is the updated version: 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After the red line your window to seal twist starts. The first white line gives a window for your gcds. Try not to cast a spell im between the white and red Line, if your weapon is too fast.
It will be nice with the rune that give you mana. I used it in P1 and the mana drain made it very boom or bust imo. Also, does Command not always hit? I was curious if the chance for damage does indeed make the twisting worth it.
SoC is dependent on the hit rating. It can therefore miss. Twisting is worth as a filler when your abilities are in cd. Im working on my rotation guide atm, which explains it. Keep Exorcim on cd for now. New AoW looks great
Always judge your active seal. You want to judge SoC, but both options are fine. Its very variable. Use your judgement on cd. Not worth to try to time it for SoC or SoR.
Why do people like a glitch so much? It basically means to get more damage you have to bugg abuse the game. Maybe blizz can just buff retri IMO. Nice video though thank you very much. :)
Hey, it was a bug back in the day because of latency. But, as you said, so many people liked to use it, that Blizzard implemented it with Classic. I also disliked it for a long time, but today, I have to admit, it gives more depth to playing a Paladin. And I like that with longer experience of the class. But its really min-max and not mandatory to do it :). Since I always get asked about it, I made the decision to explain :). Thanks for your nice words at the end.
@@pontuspettersson399 Im working on my Paladin Guide with builds, runes and rotation right now. As far as i can say from my raiding experience with new runes, I would say a small part :). Its only worth as a filler right now, when everything is on cd in my opinion. If Blizzard changes SoM to be twistable with SoC, things will change tho :D.
@@WhiterWoW cant wait for your guide, there isnt a single guide out there for paladins in phase 2. Im excited to learn more about the class and improve on my gameplay in both pve and pvp.
There is an internal cd between spells. So on fast weapons you cant seal twist both ways (everything which is faster than 3.0). Also you wont be able to use other abilites, if you seal twist non stop because of gcd and you will go oom really quick. Its not worth it. Use the twist at the end of your rotation as a filler. I made a paldin guide, which explains rotations: ruclips.net/video/9S2xPqGF_hE/видео.html
@@WhiterWoWAre you talking about the global cooldown? I'm asking about this because I play horde and also because seal of righteousness can do op stuff like trigger thunderfury chance on hit or windfury, you only need rank 1. I wonder if it can also trigger art of war.
Pretty stupid mechanic that I have to download a 3rd party add on to get it to work properly. If it’s intended, why not just give us the lawbringer set bonus to all ret paladins and let us have two seals up for a few seconds?
maybe you're just bad at it, because it's incredibly satisfying especially paired with Wild Strikes when you actually do it correctly. But go play your more interesting "Hit Divine Storm on CD" rotation, i'm sure it's much more interesting@@Casuale84
You are opertaing under the flawed concept that somehow if you don't use this mechanic they will give Paladin's something better. You of course are free not to use it but others might benefit from using it in certain situations.
With the new update Seal of Command and Seal of Martyrdom are now twistable!
Swing Timer Weakaura (Just copy this string and import it into your Weakaura addon ingame):
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Hey I downloaded it and at the Twitch Trigger 4 and 5 it says "invalid spell ID"
@@x8sNaKe8x Hi, you need the english client for it to work and this is the updated version: 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best video for new players like me. thanks for this.
i enjoy learning this class from a pally kitty :)
very nice video again thx and shortly explained i like it and big thx for the WA, its insane
heyhey, thanks for this video. does command and martyrdom works now together or still not?
Yes, it does! Always twist those 2 now!
@@WhiterWoW whats the rotation now for seal twisters?
@@rufusremetsen4989 I will do a full guide soon!
@@WhiterWoW
The red line is when to stop casting any spell? And what does the first white line mean?
After the red line your window to seal twist starts. The first white line gives a window for your gcds. Try not to cast a spell im between the white and red Line, if your weapon is too fast.
thank you for this video my friend you got my sub!
amazing thank you
It will be nice with the rune that give you mana. I used it in P1 and the mana drain made it very boom or bust imo. Also, does Command not always hit? I was curious if the chance for damage does indeed make the twisting worth it.
SoC is dependent on the hit rating. It can therefore miss. Twisting is worth as a filler when your abilities are in cd. Im working on my rotation guide atm, which explains it. Keep Exorcim on cd for now. New AoW looks great
Is seal twiting mandatory and how much dps loss is it ehen you not doing it i am very new to paladin and classic in general ,ty in advance
@wearevenom-2k868 I don't think it's mandatory, you can burn through alot of mana imo.
Yeah welcome back to seal twisting. I hope we can handle it
Is this still viable? is the WA working with Wild Strikes? ( windfury )
It's viable and working
With seal twisting which seal should you be judging for DPS? I mean ideally opening with seal of the crusader but judge SOC or SOR after twisting?
Always judge your active seal. You want to judge SoC, but both options are fine. Its very variable. Use your judgement on cd. Not worth to try to time it for SoC or SoR.
Looks great, but can't get the weakaura to work...
Are you using the English Client? That can cause problems, if you use a different language.
Why do people like a glitch so much? It basically means to get more damage you have to bugg abuse the game. Maybe blizz can just buff retri IMO. Nice video though thank you very much. :)
Hey, it was a bug back in the day because of latency. But, as you said, so many people liked to use it, that Blizzard implemented it with Classic. I also disliked it for a long time, but today, I have to admit, it gives more depth to playing a Paladin. And I like that with longer experience of the class. But its really min-max and not mandatory to do it :).
Since I always get asked about it, I made the decision to explain :). Thanks for your nice words at the end.
@@WhiterWoW I understand thanks for explaining, how much of a difference would you say it makes? :)
@@pontuspettersson399 Im working on my Paladin Guide with builds, runes and rotation right now. As far as i can say from my raiding experience with new runes, I would say a small part :). Its only worth as a filler right now, when everything is on cd in my opinion. If Blizzard changes SoM to be twistable with SoC, things will change tho :D.
@@WhiterWoW cant wait for your guide, there isnt a single guide out there for paladins in phase 2. Im excited to learn more about the class and improve on my gameplay in both pve and pvp.
All that work just to do a third of warlock/priest/mage dps
you never played Paladin in Vanilla, huh? :D
New spell icon id for SoM is 407798
Can you seal twist automatically if you have a 1.5 speed weapon and always pressing seals?
There is an internal cd between spells. So on fast weapons you cant seal twist both ways (everything which is faster than 3.0). Also you wont be able to use other abilites, if you seal twist non stop because of gcd and you will go oom really quick. Its not worth it. Use the twist at the end of your rotation as a filler. I made a paldin guide, which explains rotations: ruclips.net/video/9S2xPqGF_hE/видео.html
@@WhiterWoWAre you talking about the global cooldown? I'm asking about this because I play horde and also because seal of righteousness can do op stuff like trigger thunderfury chance on hit or windfury, you only need rank 1. I wonder if it can also trigger art of war.
@@ForbiddenFollyFollower It can trigger Art of War. Every crit counts here.
i imported ur string but i doesnt look the same..
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@@WhiterWoW i found my problem.. my game is in german not english :D
Pretty stupid mechanic that I have to download a 3rd party add on to get it to work properly. If it’s intended, why not just give us the lawbringer set bonus to all ret paladins and let us have two seals up for a few seconds?
I hate seal twisting and find it takes away from the fun of the game.
Okay. Thanks for sharing your thougts.
Seal twisting takes away from the fun of just standing there waiting for your weapon to swing? Please explain?
It is a boring, outdated and sad mechanic. Please let it die so we can get some interesting new gameplay.
maybe you're just bad at it, because it's incredibly satisfying especially paired with Wild Strikes when you actually do it correctly. But go play your more interesting "Hit Divine Storm on CD" rotation, i'm sure it's much more interesting@@Casuale84
What? I think it's so much more engaging than sitting waiting for auto attacks and CS/DS/AS or exorcism on cd
I think it's not worth it
It is a boring, outdated and sad mechanic. Please let it die so we can get some interesting new gameplay. Thanks
Some people love it, some hate it. I prefer to have the option to use it.
You are opertaing under the flawed concept that somehow if you don't use this mechanic they will give Paladin's something better. You of course are free not to use it but others might benefit from using it in certain situations.
@@kevinherman3419 im operating under a flawed concept 😆