Game of Thrones: Battle of Winterfell

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    In the previous video in our animated series on the Game of Thrones and the World of Ice and Fire, we have covered the battle of Blackwater, which confirmed the dominance of the Lannisters over Westeros. They were able to appoint the Boltons the guardians of the North and that put Ramsay Bolton and Jon Snow of the house Stark on a collision course. The battle of Winterfell decided the fate of the North.
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  • @KingsandGenerals
    @KingsandGenerals  5 лет назад +825

    This is probably the last episode in our series on the World of Ice and Fire. Which other universes would you like to get a video like that? Let us know!

    • @fanyechao2761
      @fanyechao2761 5 лет назад +437

      Lord of Rings please, no youtubers has yet to touch that field

    • @Ilikefinalfantasy795
      @Ilikefinalfantasy795 5 лет назад +13

      @@fanyechao2761 i wouldn't say no other youtuber.

    • @Ilikefinalfantasy795
      @Ilikefinalfantasy795 5 лет назад +44

      Ender's game would be awesome.. don't know if you could make the sci fi element work out though. Would be exciting, also for real life videos the Battle/Fall of Bataan during WWII would be exceptional.

    • @qus.9617
      @qus.9617 5 лет назад +36

      Legend of the Galactic Heroes (Iserlohn fortress, invasions against the Free Planets Alliance and the Goldenbaum dynasty) Deals with putting down rebellions, invasion supply problems, taking through deception, shows for and against taking initiative in offensive campaigns, divide and conquer based on unit placements, how to force an enemy to retreat and retreat in calm order, deals with the balance of power between a third party power who relies on conflict to stay independent)
      Lord of the Rings (... not so much tactics but Sauron's strategic maneuvers against Osgiliath/Minas Tirith, political division in Rohan, a northern flank led by Easterlings on Dale Lake Town and Erebor and Rivendell)
      Three Kingdoms (empty fort strategy, tactical deceit Ma Chao battle of Tong pass, Sima clan's use of flooding in containing and predicting enemy movement, Cao Cao's light cavalry flanking maneuver against the Wuhuan confederacy, Sun Wu's campaign of Jing province, Battle of Yiling [fabian strategy and fire attack], Liu Bei annexation of Yi province)

    • @nantzstein3311
      @nantzstein3311 5 лет назад +22

      *Dune*

  • @Longshanks1690
    @Longshanks1690 5 лет назад +3797

    This should be called "Battle of the Bastards" because people will confuse it for the one in S8 instead of the one against Ramsay.

    • @mark030531
      @mark030531 5 лет назад +173

      At the same time this is kind of like the deserving battle for that title, right? Maybe that's why it's titled that way because even the channel creators were also disappointed with the other Battle of Winterfell lmao

    • @unlimitedspeeed
      @unlimitedspeeed 5 лет назад +190

      Using the word "bastards" will probably get him demonetized.

    • @Didacmmv
      @Didacmmv 5 лет назад +19

      I came here expecting exactly that

    • @thomashoang6789
      @thomashoang6789 5 лет назад +31

      I clicked on this video not knowing which Battle of Winterfell it was. There has been at least four "Battles of Winterfell."

    • @garyfrombrooklyn
      @garyfrombrooklyn 5 лет назад +7

      I searched high and low, perhaps a RUclips sanctioned name could be the Lamentations between the Love Children lol

  • @papapok13
    @papapok13 5 лет назад +1315

    "The Bolton archers were killed in a tragic continuity error."

    • @asasas9146
      @asasas9146 5 лет назад +107

      And so half of the Bolton cavalry if you look closely durign the battle

    • @SuperPagt
      @SuperPagt 5 лет назад +23

      @Fabian Kirchgessner even if they were 400 they would have been completely wiped out

    • @sansonefabio8177
      @sansonefabio8177 5 лет назад +7

      some of the archers retreated to Winterfell to garrison the castle, and some picked up the Bolton shields and spiers to form that last formation.

    • @sansonefabio8177
      @sansonefabio8177 5 лет назад +29

      @@asasas9146 I think Ramsey took care of the other half of his cavalry by reigning arrows onto it

    • @sansonefabio8177
      @sansonefabio8177 5 лет назад +5

      @Fabian Kirchgessner they did get instantly annihalated, wildling/star spears and axes took care of the rest of the cavalry + Ramsey's arrows (plus i assume the stark men had better moral and will to fight on due to leadership and grit, and many Bolton men were raised from ex stark holdings and farms near Winterfell

  • @francescofabrizi5473
    @francescofabrizi5473 5 лет назад +871

    13:15 "to the true threat"
    D&D:" well yes but actually no"

    • @antonisk.2165
      @antonisk.2165 5 лет назад +17

      expectations subverted

    • @Wilson-zu3rf
      @Wilson-zu3rf 5 лет назад +20

      Yeah only covered in 1 episode so not really

    • @3baxcb
      @3baxcb 5 лет назад +4

      I'm sure that was GRRM's idea from the start so every viewer can go on about it.

    • @DonMadruga72
      @DonMadruga72 5 лет назад +2

      I've never read the books, but as far as I know they do not show up much, so...

    • @khalduras784
      @khalduras784 4 года назад +1

      @@DonMadruga72 not as many as one thought but their importance are beyond noted

  • @justinpachi3707
    @justinpachi3707 5 лет назад +760

    “Stannis and his troops were ground down by enemy attrition and harassing.”
    More like bad writing, plot armor, and 20 good men.
    Book Stannis would never have lost to Ramsey who never saw a real battle a day in his life. In the books there is a Grand Northern Conspiracy by the Northern Houses for a Stark restoration. In the books the Boltons days were numbered with many of the “allies” plan to defect to Stannis as well. Stannis would easily have been a good opponent for Dany to fight at the end instead of Cersei.

    • @R3GARnator
      @R3GARnator 5 лет назад +36

      People thought this shit about Robb Stark too you know.

    • @justinpachi3707
      @justinpachi3707 5 лет назад +13

      R3GARnator
      Stannis might very well die in battle or he might not. He might be like Richard of York and maybe get defeated at the hands of Aegon VI. Then when Dany comes and usurps Aegon Jon will have to reckon with her.

    • @justinpachi3707
      @justinpachi3707 5 лет назад +53

      Emperor of Mankind
      Stannis is the Mannis!!!!

    • @aryanandhana4031
      @aryanandhana4031 5 лет назад +23

      The northmen dont really care about stannis's cause they just want the stark to rule the north

    • @Longshanks1690
      @Longshanks1690 5 лет назад +10

      @Justin Pachi
      You're absolutely correct that Stannis is the rival that Dany needs, as their philosophies on ruling reflect and deflect off each other in so many ways.
      But the fanatical denial of the reality Stannis finds himself in needs to stop. He will be defeated in the Books, that is abundantly clear to anyone who has been paying attention to this story. Stannis is nothing more than a doomed pretender, and George has kept him in that role.
      I will remind you he can summon magic Lannister-Tyrell armies to teleport across the country when Stannis needs to be defeated.
      Or you can remain in denial until you read the words on the page. It's only that the latter will be harder to bear.

  • @JohnSmith-tt3go
    @JohnSmith-tt3go 4 года назад +465

    To all the people saying this is the Battle of the Bastards: You are correct. Also, RUclips will demonitize the video in a second if it contains profanity in the title.

    • @nirvanic3610
      @nirvanic3610 4 года назад +2

      Nope. Just type "battle of the bastards" you'll see many videos with that title.

    • @fitzwaren
      @fitzwaren 4 года назад +41

      Battle of the people born out of weedlocks

    • @diegokaqui60
      @diegokaqui60 4 года назад +8

      @@nirvanic3610 DEMONITIZE

    • @ranica47
      @ranica47 4 года назад +4

      But but but.....bastard isn't profanity!!

    • @MonCalypso
      @MonCalypso 3 года назад +6

      @@ranica47 *points gun* it always was.

  • @muwatallis
    @muwatallis 5 лет назад +1677

    This is Battle of the Bastards. Not Battle of Winterfell.

    • @Brandonhayhew
      @Brandonhayhew 5 лет назад +15

      This should been named The Bastards Battle of Winterfell.

    • @ocirontariocryptidinvestig8010
      @ocirontariocryptidinvestig8010 5 лет назад +15

      fuck off nerd

    • @PhenomResurrections08
      @PhenomResurrections08 5 лет назад +19

      Or how about y'all just say thank you to the content creator for making this instead of telling him how to distribute his art.

    • @liamwalton4183
      @liamwalton4183 4 года назад +2

      @Oakpc2002 Everybody, including the actors, directors, showrunners, and promotional material, called it "Battle for Winterfell" or "The Long Night". I could link you to videos but it'd be easy for you to simply go to the Game of Thrones page and see for yourself.
      I had never heard anybody call it Battle of Ice and Fire until I read your comment, so U believe you are wrong

    • @AlpenSkyWatcher
      @AlpenSkyWatcher 4 года назад +12

      Battles are usually name after geography.
      If battles keeps happening it goes like "First Battle lf..." "Second Battle of..." "Twentieth Battle of..."
      Or a battle can have multiple names and cultural significance
      1st Battle of Winterfell(Ironborn Invasion)-Greyjoy v Stark
      2nd Battle of Winterfell(Ironborn Invasion)-Bolton v Greyjoy
      3rd Battle of Winterfell(War of the Five Kings)-Bolton v Baratheon of Dragonstone
      4th Battle of Winterfell/Battle of the Bastards(War for the North)-Stark vs Bolton
      5th Battle of Winterfell(Great War/Second Long Night)-Living alliance vs White Walkers
      from tv series, wiki, and wikia

  • @grandadmiralzaarin4962
    @grandadmiralzaarin4962 5 лет назад +460

    Much more looking forward to the battle in the books between Stannis and Roose

    • @MarcoAurelio-vv3gz
      @MarcoAurelio-vv3gz 5 лет назад +21

      Yes. Independent of who wins I think will be better.

    • @grandadmiralzaarin4962
      @grandadmiralzaarin4962 5 лет назад +75

      @@MarcoAurelio-vv3gz it will certainly be more logical and creative than the mess they made of the show from season 5 onward.

    • @ukesh243
      @ukesh243 5 лет назад +12

      @@grandadmiralzaarin4962 GRRM better than D&D

    • @grandadmiralzaarin4962
      @grandadmiralzaarin4962 5 лет назад +15

      @@ukesh243 Tywin voice, "Categorically."

    • @gfilmer7150
      @gfilmer7150 3 года назад +16

      "I'll turn the ground to my advantage"
      - Stannis to Theon, The Winds of Winter

  • @nhovyjann
    @nhovyjann 5 лет назад +316

    K&G : Lord Baelish now holds an influence at Winterfell's court.
    Bran: I'm about to end this man's career.

    • @sarcasticsid5589
      @sarcasticsid5589 4 года назад +5

      Arya: Wait up Bran I want a piece of that ass too!

    • @RebelPatriot355
      @RebelPatriot355 4 месяца назад +1

      Bran: “chaos is a ladder.”
      Little Finger: “yeet!!”

  • @yaldabaoth2
    @yaldabaoth2 5 лет назад +422

    Rickon Stark graduated 1st of his class from the Prometheus School of Running Away.

    • @knightofetro13
      @knightofetro13 5 лет назад +12

      Not his fault he was victim to shitty writing

    • @DonMadruga72
      @DonMadruga72 5 лет назад +23

      He was desperate. When people panic, they do not think correctly. besides he was young. Ned may have never taught him to run from an archer.

    • @liamjm9278
      @liamjm9278 5 лет назад +17

      @@DonMadruga72 Who the hell teaches people how to run from archers?

    • @DonMadruga72
      @DonMadruga72 5 лет назад +13

      @@liamjm9278Someone who lives in the middle ages maybe, where people can not learn to zig zag on the television.

    • @liamjm9278
      @liamjm9278 5 лет назад +2

      @@DonMadruga72 Maybe? You make conclusions based on maybes? Bring me proof.
      And is that second part of your sentence supposed to make sense? Is that even English? What does "where people can not learn to zig zag on the television" mean? That people in the middle ages couldn't learn to zig-zag because TV didn't exist? That people in the middle ages could learn because TV didn't exist? That people on TV can't learn how to zig-zag?

  • @bobmartin9742
    @bobmartin9742 5 лет назад +204

    Hundreds of arrows and no single one can hit the "bastard". The plot armor was truly effective.

    • @DonMadruga72
      @DonMadruga72 5 лет назад +17

      This is called fantasy. In Star Wars, LOTR, and several other tales the protagonist is never hit. People have become so accustomed to the dying GoT characters that they forget they are still watching a TV series where the protagonists themselves are not going to die.

    • @liamjm9278
      @liamjm9278 5 лет назад +42

      @@DonMadruga72 It's called bullshit. If protagonists aren't going to die then why did Ned die? He was the closest thing to a protagonist you could get in fantasy series and basically was it for the first season. If Melisandre just showed up and turned everyone in Daenerys' army into dragons, would that be ok just because "It's fantasy, things don't need to make sense or have logical consequences".

    • @Anonymous551656
      @Anonymous551656 4 года назад +17

      @@DonMadruga72 "This is called fantasy. [...] still watching a TV series where the protagonists themselves are not going to die."
      If GRRM had set this scenario up, Jon would have died 100% - because when GRRM writes, actions have _consequences_ . When GRRM writes, characters don't have plot armour. If they fuck up this badly, they die. Certainly some of the protagonists will ultimately survive and triumph, but they will only survive by *not* getting into situations where they are alone with no protection and being pelted by hundreds of arrows.

    • @bigtechdicktators6704
      @bigtechdicktators6704 3 года назад +5

      yes especily with ramsey doing sniper kill at same distance.

    • @leonpaelinck
      @leonpaelinck 3 года назад +1

      Post season 4 the plot armor went up by 1000%

  • @TheAztecGamer123
    @TheAztecGamer123 5 лет назад +342

    Anyone else think this battle made no sense and was done to raise tension? Hear me out. They sent a giant with no armour or even a weapon into battle? He literally could've just picked up a tree stump and charge alternatively he could've gotten the dropped giant weapons when the battle of the wall occured. Also notice how shit the phalanx is? Because to keep the giant back they had to raise their spears making them vulnerable to an all out charge plus the phalanx wasnt deep enough to prevent the stark soldiers from pulling the spears off the Boltons. Finally who the fuck stacked a wall of bodies one on top of the other whilst the battle occured????

    • @mustafacalkap26
      @mustafacalkap26 5 лет назад +7

      I think you watched snapjelly's video about karstark shieldwall :)

    • @thecatfather857
      @thecatfather857 4 года назад +27

      Hohooo, if Wun Wun had a club with him, I can picture him giving the Boltons a real thrashing singlehandedly.

    • @jerome0929
      @jerome0929 4 года назад +36

      True, I ask myself the same question, how in hell bodies just pile by themselves during a battle ? Specially that high? Just doesn’t make sense

    • @bkjeong4302
      @bkjeong4302 4 года назад +7

      Jerome 092
      People trying to get around corpses are more vulnerable to the rain of arrows, so they die on top of the corpses, creating an even bigger pile of corpses, and so on.

    • @gfilmer7150
      @gfilmer7150 3 года назад +26

      Also, Jon original plan made no sense. Just let The Boltons charge at us, like, my dude, their 2,000 cavalry will demolish your entire army of 2,400. It would've made more sense if Jon had built anti-cavalry stakes and defenses in the front line. It would've been possible because his men already dug trenches on their flanks. Another thing, why didn't Sansa tell Jon about The Knights of The Vale, the most skilled warriors with the best cavalry in all of Westeros?

  • @Judicial78
    @Judicial78 4 года назад +103

    5:29 it wasn't a gesture of kindness, it was an act of survival and desperation. Jon knew that if Hardhome fell, all those wildings would be added to the Night Kings army. That was the primary motivation for helping them.

    • @devashishgupta8415
      @devashishgupta8415 Год назад +1

      The character of Jon Snow in the TV Show doesn't allow the plot even a bit as you tell but he was very strategic in the books and arranged political marriages too.

  • @josephrizzo3738
    @josephrizzo3738 4 года назад +85

    Talks about Ramsey v Stannis
    *screams in book reader

    • @ARCtrooperblueleader
      @ARCtrooperblueleader 2 года назад

      I know. The pain is real.

    • @whensomethingcriesagain
      @whensomethingcriesagain 4 месяца назад

      Hell even in the show it's idiotic. The way they show Ramsey's strategy in the show is firmly in the territory of "never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake", and a commander of Stannis' caliber would've easily dealt with the way the Boltons attacked. All it takes is those 3 words: "Withdraw to squares!", and cavalry is all but eliminated as a threat as spearmen can keep them out of the lines while archers pick them off. Maybe if the showrunners actually hired someone who knew the first thing about tactics, they'd not have written it in such a stupid way

    • @whensomethingcriesagain
      @whensomethingcriesagain 3 месяца назад

      @@avisupadhyay One could easily point to counterexamples though, such as the Scottish schiltron formation or indeed the entirety of the pike-and-shot era. Also, my whole point was based around how the show basically ignored the incoming infantry entirely and made no efforts to include them as a factor in either side's battle plans. Lastly, I'd argue Stannis' men are as close to professionals as existed in this time period. They're knights, men-at-arms, and other veteran soldiers who've been following him for his entire tenure in the show, and we know from all available material that he wasn't the sort to just throw together conscripts, but rather training what men he could gather up to a higher standard of discipline in order to compensate for their lower numbers

  • @pebblesramirez9290
    @pebblesramirez9290 3 года назад +23

    Jayne, Santa’s childhood friend was married to Ramsey, pretending to be Arya. This is another one of the changes HBO did v/s the books.

  • @Matteus2109
    @Matteus2109 5 лет назад +128

    You know, I'm left wondering WHY Sansa never brought up the Knights of the Vale as an ally before the battle. A lot of Northerners could have been spared if she had brought them sooner.

    • @redblueproductions9739
      @redblueproductions9739 4 года назад +23

      Bad writing.

    • @adam6097
      @adam6097 3 года назад +31

      @@redblueproductions9739 No, if word got out that the Vale is supporting them, then Ramsay would never challenge them in an open field, and sansa knew they don't have time for a seige

    • @weedwizard7906
      @weedwizard7906 2 года назад +9

      @@adam6097 solid reason. Only one that I’ve seen that makes sense but to counter that, Sansa could’ve still told Jon and still had a similar battle but now Jon could’ve used less men.
      Also the Vale was literally less than an hour away if they can still arrive during the middle of the battle. Bolton’s had a good chance to see them on their way.

    • @razor5268
      @razor5268 2 года назад

      @@adam6097 why didnt they have time for a siege?

    • @adam6097
      @adam6097 2 года назад +1

      @@razor5268 The threat south, Lannisters. Starks had enemies everywhere and they needed there ancestral home as fast as possible. Winterfell with 20% of its forces can last months with a seige so imagine Ramseys troops and his bannermen

  • @ILikedGooglePlus
    @ILikedGooglePlus 5 лет назад +121

    Yo everyone commenting "This is the Battle of the Bastards" I think Kings and Generals know that, it's just they'll get demonitised.
    But there is a typo in their description "Date of the North"

    • @jhon-wm5ok
      @jhon-wm5ok 4 года назад

      Why would they get demonitised?

    • @ILikedGooglePlus
      @ILikedGooglePlus 4 года назад +3

      @@jhon-wm5ok Bastards doubles as a swear word

  • @Liquidsback
    @Liquidsback 5 лет назад +101

    I can't imagine an episode on the Battle of Winterfell without the narration falling apart.

    • @yaldabaoth2
      @yaldabaoth2 5 лет назад +45

      "The best military minds of the Seven Kingdoms opted to put their siege engines on the frontline and used them only after their own cavalry frontally charged into complete darkness in which a dug-in infantry line who isn't exactly prone to morale breaks were waiting for them... fortunately, half the cavalry respawned a week later."

    • @bernardosales1044
      @bernardosales1044 5 лет назад +8

      @@yaldabaoth2 I forgot the Dothraki have an amazing manpower recovery buff, silly me

    • @desmondd1984
      @desmondd1984 5 лет назад +9

      @@yaldabaoth2 Haha, exactly. Trying to make sense of it would totally break Kings and Generals. I imagine the cracking sound, but worse.

  • @AdriatheBwitch
    @AdriatheBwitch 5 лет назад +77

    I would love if you do a documentary about the Battle of Blue Waters
    between the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and the Golden Horde in Autumn 1362 or 1363 plz!

    • @jakeshurbitt5681
      @jakeshurbitt5681 2 года назад

      Idk what this is about but it sounds like a good battle!! 🗡️ ⚔️ 🛡️

  • @alexl.4170
    @alexl.4170 5 лет назад +14

    Battle of Winterfell initially refers to the battle that took place in the Winter Town between Iron Born/Bolton forces and Stark loyalist Northern forces under Sir Cassel. But now it refers to the night battle against the White Walker horde. This battle in the video is known as the 'Battle of the Bastards'.

  • @damonmealor9701
    @damonmealor9701 5 лет назад +48

    I thought your documentaries were based on Martin's ASOIAF, like your Battle of the Black Water, & not D&D's GOT.

    • @shadow2000
      @shadow2000 5 лет назад +10

      This part of the history is not in the book, whe stand the 6th book ^^

    • @damonmealor9701
      @damonmealor9701 5 лет назад

      Yeah, exactly

    • @gfilmer7150
      @gfilmer7150 3 года назад +3

      This won't happen in the books.

  • @senatorsheev6743
    @senatorsheev6743 5 лет назад +5

    You forgot to mention the part where Stannis captures Winterfell by disguising his soldiers with outfits acquired from his victory in the battle of ice.

    • @gfilmer7150
      @gfilmer7150 3 года назад +2

      Oh yeah, I remember that.

  • @Userext47
    @Userext47 5 лет назад +47

    11:56
    Warhorns or a truck?

    • @RayanBacha95
      @RayanBacha95 5 лет назад +1

      It's the truck ex machina

    • @pogchamp2897
      @pogchamp2897 5 лет назад +1

      Starbucks delevery truck

    • @thecatfather857
      @thecatfather857 4 года назад +3

      Now I can't stop picturing Baelish speeding a f*cking semi into the Bolton formation.

  • @napoleonibonaparte7198
    @napoleonibonaparte7198 5 лет назад +61

    When you thought the Game of Thrones series is over...
    K&G: Well hello there.

  • @GUNN3R1990
    @GUNN3R1990 5 лет назад +70

    Do the season 8 Battle of Winterfell with a flippant and sarcastic narration.

    • @TealWolf26
      @TealWolf26 2 года назад

      But weren't trebuchets capable of firing flaming missiles with the distance and accuracy of 20th century artillery? And archers shooting flaming arrows that didn't instantly get snuffed out from air turbulence? Did no one contact a medieval historian?

  • @scofield1154
    @scofield1154 5 лет назад +30

    I almost didn't click this because I thought it was the S8 Battle of Winterfell.

  • @Aipe97
    @Aipe97 4 года назад +14

    I was hoping this would be a video on the book battle where the Bolton army betrayed Rodrik Cassel and captured Winterfell with Theon inside. That would've been interesting, considering not many people know about it since they didn't do that scene in the show.

  • @barbiquearea
    @barbiquearea 5 лет назад +28

    Do Battle beneath the Wall next. Seriously Jon and the Night's Watch squaring off against Mance Rayder and his colossal Wildling army was epic both in the books and in the show.

    • @martino5742
      @martino5742 2 года назад

      Best battle in the show, maybe the best episode in the show

  • @CrimsonFlash7
    @CrimsonFlash7 5 лет назад +46

    Fantastic job as always. Felt like I was watching the episode again. I hope you guys cover the battles in the books once the next one comes out(if it does :P).

  • @funny-video-YouTube-channel
    @funny-video-YouTube-channel 4 года назад +5

    Well made summary ! The name of the Battle was: *The Battle of Bastards.*
    The long night battle was on another level, nothing could stop the Night King, if he was a bit more patient.

  • @Revanchist
    @Revanchist 5 лет назад +10

    Well this technically should be called "The second Battle of Winterfell"

  • @SYCOSUBWAY
    @SYCOSUBWAY 4 года назад +5

    I like how they completely forgot about Rickon Stark in the beginning. That really sums up his significance in the show.

  • @makecrusadesgreatagain211
    @makecrusadesgreatagain211 4 года назад +4

    These videos are almost as entertaining as the episodes themselves
    I´ve seen the episode, but the narration brings a different perspective and flavour to the story, you´re pretty good

  • @Brahmdagh
    @Brahmdagh 5 лет назад +168

    This is not canon.
    The books have not reached this far yet.
    As for the show... what show?

    • @pogchamp2897
      @pogchamp2897 5 лет назад +48

      @@Toto-95 it still made 0 sens, the amount of the bolton cavalry almost matched the entire stark army, so how the fck did a few horsemen from those 400 small houses soldiers withstand a 2000 cavalry charge and mele, why wasn't the giant armed with anything ? How the fck did jon survive those hail of arrows shot at him by 1000 archers ? What was that hill of corpses ? Why were the wildlings and the stark footmen along with the giant standing still while the boltons were slowly deploying their pikemen and tower shields ? How did ramsey miss an entire army of heavy cavalry crossing throught the neck while moat caillin was manned by the boltons after they kicked the ironborn out of it ? How did jon survive for that long with the most stupid battleplan and still butchering it by going lerroyjenkins full frontal against an organized army almost 3 times the size of his own rabble ?

    • @pogchamp2897
      @pogchamp2897 5 лет назад +30

      @@Toto-95 that battle was utter clusterfuck with 0 common sens and has nothing in comon with agincourt and cannae.

    • @pogchamp2897
      @pogchamp2897 5 лет назад +19

      @@Toto-95 the battle of thermopylae didn't have a wall of dead corpses, zac snyder fanfiction doesn't count and was pointless to say the least if you watched that movie.
      And hannibal achieved the enveloppement throught tactical fainted retreat and good use of mobile berber and carthagian light cavalry not slowly deploying heavy infantry and pikemen while the enemy stood still and watched in awe, and nothing like agincourt happened.

    • @HiturMan-nn5pc
      @HiturMan-nn5pc 5 лет назад +1

      I know of no show

    • @MajorMuffins13
      @MajorMuffins13 5 лет назад +2

      Pog Champ I always thought the reason Jon survived the arrows was the Lord of Light protecting him from death so he could lead the fight against the Night King.

  • @Grunt802VT
    @Grunt802VT 5 лет назад +1

    Brilliant timing!! This series shall have my love!!

  • @hassanalzboon2864
    @hassanalzboon2864 3 года назад

    I love the way this channel narrates events
    as well as the way they represent battles

  • @kristiannicholson5893
    @kristiannicholson5893 5 лет назад +6

    This is Battle of the Bastards, the Battle of Winterfell is vs the Night King and the wights

    • @jacobsarvathayaparan2337
      @jacobsarvathayaparan2337 5 лет назад

      Technically neither of them is supposed to be called the battle of winterfell, the battle with the wights is technically supposed to be "the battle of ice and fire"

    • @uae2268
      @uae2268 5 лет назад

      The second one was more of a siege of Winterfell

  • @szbszig
    @szbszig 5 лет назад +6

    When I saw the title, I was secretly hoping for the previous battles of Winterfell. The one, when Theon and the Ironborns took the castle from the Starks by surprise, and the other one, when Ramsay took it from Theon also by deceit and surprise. Also, it seems a bit inconsistent, that in the previous GoT videos, you always went with the book version of the battles and events, which are of course much more complex and realistic than the show, while in this video you chose to cover events that only happened in the show so far.

  • @David-xt9uf
    @David-xt9uf 4 года назад +1

    This is really well made dude, keep up the good work!

  • @dyako73
    @dyako73 4 года назад +2

    Magnificent work and a great add to your video channels, much appreciated.
    Please don't forget to make a video about the decisive (Battle of the Trident).
    All the love & best regards

  • @OOUER
    @OOUER 5 лет назад +7

    I got really excited. I thought this video is related to the real battle of ice in ASOIAF books and not the show.
    Great video as usual though...

  • @kzh2313
    @kzh2313 5 лет назад +8

    Last time i was this early game of thrones was still a good show

  • @thehighguarduk4820
    @thehighguarduk4820 5 лет назад +2

    Fantastic video, love the game of thrones battle analysis and history!

  • @jozzieokes3422
    @jozzieokes3422 5 лет назад +2

    Top stuff as always

  • @Kardel_VA
    @Kardel_VA 5 лет назад +4

    13:14 "The true threat"
    PFFFFFFT YEAH OK

  • @scaldon2
    @scaldon2 5 лет назад +14

    Stannis will never lose in the books . He's one of the best commanders in Westoros. Ramsay has never commanded a day in his life. Easy win for stannis.

  • @oberstul1941
    @oberstul1941 4 года назад +1

    For a moment there I was so happy thinking they are covering the book battles; then I despaired. Still, excellently put together little video. It's just that well has been poisoned.

  • @NukasCafe
    @NukasCafe 3 года назад

    I dont know why but I got goosebumps hearing this described. I pictured every scene. I love it man

  • @unusuallyquickloris
    @unusuallyquickloris 5 лет назад +9

    Ramsay played this perfectly, but didn't account for gandalf

    • @leandrocasas90
      @leandrocasas90 5 лет назад

      Deus ex machina strikes again!

    • @imperiumoccidentis7351
      @imperiumoccidentis7351 5 лет назад +1

      He really did. The Rickon move was genius and pulled the enemy's prime commander out into the open perfectly (who should have 100% died in the ensuing scuffle + arrows), and the pikemen flanking the remaining the remaining army would have been perfect. Like you say though, his only undoing was plot armour + deus ex magic cavalry that RKO'd him out of nowwhere.

  • @mattries37315
    @mattries37315 5 лет назад +3

    This video won't age well when Stannis & the Manderlys take Winterfell in The Winds of Winter.

    • @KingsandGenerals
      @KingsandGenerals  5 лет назад

      I don't think they will succeed, but we'll see. :-)

    • @ascending8220
      @ascending8220 4 года назад

      Kings and Generals read the Night Lamp theory

    • @ascending8220
      @ascending8220 4 года назад +1

      Matt Ries they should do a video when TWOW comes out and Stannis defeats the Boltons. What happened in D&D's shittastic fanfiction is a crime against humanity

    • @mattries37315
      @mattries37315 4 года назад

      @@KingsandGenerals It won't be pretty, things always go wrong in ASOIAF battles for the victors. However the "Pink Letter" and the Theon TWoW chapter gives hints that Freys will drown in the Crofter Village lake, Stannis' death will be faked, and his men will wear Frey uniforms into Winterfell and take it from within.
      The Boltons are a "2nd Act Villain", they're get cleared off the board early in TWoW.

  • @Marqhll
    @Marqhll 5 лет назад

    The truck horn to signal the arrival of the knights of the vale really sold it for me.

  • @thecatfather857
    @thecatfather857 4 года назад +2

    12:57 "Warhorns began to sound in the distance" *Uses truck horn sound effect*

  • @williamtim5893
    @williamtim5893 5 лет назад +10

    No tactics here

  • @explosivereactionstv7414
    @explosivereactionstv7414 5 лет назад +2

    I watched this battle for the first time this month and this was probably the best battle that D & D had written for the show. Shout out to the giant for helping Jon become King of The North

    • @raptorjesues1445
      @raptorjesues1445 5 лет назад

      wich is not saying mutch since the others were rather warm waste materials

  • @Philth_E
    @Philth_E 5 лет назад

    Great video my dude!

  • @arthurgallegos1578
    @arthurgallegos1578 3 года назад

    Gotta do more on this!! There are many more battles. Do more please.

  • @RexGalilae
    @RexGalilae 4 года назад +14

    Not canon. I rate this fanfic 0/10 😤
    Seriously though, I like this revisionist version of the battle more as it seems more tactically and strategically reasonable than the shitshow we got to watch in s5 and s6.

    • @RexGalilae
      @RexGalilae 3 года назад

      @Azreal Cinder
      There is no book version (at the time of making the video, at least). Both battles were ridiculous pieces of D&D fanfic

  • @kasrkin519
    @kasrkin519 5 лет назад +3

    Sorry but the Battle of Winterfell is with Stannis and hasn't been released yet....

  • @chediamor3607
    @chediamor3607 4 года назад +2

    Should have mentioned how the wildings army was pushed so hard against them selves that they couldn't lift their arms like a some kind of Hannibal cameo 😉 great video btw❤

  • @Thapower324
    @Thapower324 5 лет назад

    Another amazing video! Pretty sure all this will happen in a very different way in the books however

  • @DonMadruga72
    @DonMadruga72 5 лет назад +3

    Great video. Please do not stop, get to the end. I know that not everyone liked how things developed on the show, but that does not change the fact that it was one of the best shows ever produced on television, and all the thousands of people who worked on this show must be respected.

  • @SquattingxBear
    @SquattingxBear 5 лет назад +6

    Why is this called the Battle of Winterfell instead of Ramsey vs Stannis? It makes more sense to refer to this as the Battle of the Bastards. And the following conflict at Winterfell is called the Battle for the Dawn.

    • @mill2712
      @mill2712 5 лет назад

      This video will get demonitised if he put in "Battle of the Bastards". And these videos use effort and funds to make so the more money the better for the channel and the viewers.

  • @KillerTacos54
    @KillerTacos54 Год назад

    Stannis just couldn’t catch a break in this series. Anyway, I’m glad this video actually covers The Battle of Winterfell which actually happened in s8. Anyway, I hope you guys come back to this series because your style of videos works so well with it

  • @kciN1221
    @kciN1221 3 года назад

    Artwork is AMAZING!!! 👍👍

  • @TheFiresloth
    @TheFiresloth 5 лет назад +23

    It's a valiant effort to pretend it made sense. I was almost convinced when I shut off my brain.
    No really. Great camera work, nonsense strategy/tactics.

    • @gfilmer7150
      @gfilmer7150 4 года назад +1

      Too fuckin' true. This battle won't even happen in the books. The fall of House Bolton is going to be because of Stannis Baratheon and thr other Northern houses.

  • @KHK001
    @KHK001 5 лет назад +3

    Great! more GoT videos😀
    Edit: I like the dead unit stay in the battlefield broken, IMHO it should be in all future video.

  • @findinghare4588
    @findinghare4588 5 лет назад

    These are soooo good

  • @theodoros9428
    @theodoros9428 3 года назад

    Great idea to show those battles as historical events

  • @benhammadiabdallah4846
    @benhammadiabdallah4846 5 лет назад +6

    Thank you for the great work, I think more wars from the book we are interested to see, for example the rebellion of the greyjoy and more, thank you

  • @Arkanthrall
    @Arkanthrall 5 лет назад +12

    "Stannis"
    It's "Stannis the Mannis".

  • @2lazy2makeupname
    @2lazy2makeupname 5 лет назад

    ONE OF THE BEST CHANNELS ON RUclips

  • @bigjoekokomo
    @bigjoekokomo Год назад +1

    These ASOIAF videos rule! Keep ‘em coming!

  • @christophergarcia1101
    @christophergarcia1101 5 лет назад +4

    Could you do the Battle of Lepanto or the Spanish Armada?

  • @Tsotsis1
    @Tsotsis1 5 лет назад +3

    Casualties in this battle are unknown,, haha you are incredible Kings and Generals.

  • @johnlouie6521
    @johnlouie6521 5 лет назад

    This channel deserves a million subs

  • @kcdiazWTV
    @kcdiazWTV 4 года назад

    Awesome episode.

  • @OttomanHistoryHub
    @OttomanHistoryHub 5 лет назад +3

    I can't wait for the Battle in the ice in the books! great video guys :D

  • @EricAwful313
    @EricAwful313 4 года назад +7

    Recounting the events of a Hollywood battle is about as ridiculous as it gets.

  • @bayareajokester9456
    @bayareajokester9456 5 лет назад

    Hey Kings and Generals! It's been a while since I've been on your page and now that I am watching GoT I am excited in getting the chance to watch this series. I am only on S2 E8 now so I'll be back to watch this video now, I just wanted to briefly note this is all. A youtuber always pays his debts :)

  • @VivekKumar-qo8ny
    @VivekKumar-qo8ny 3 года назад +1

    Say what u want, Ramsay had a great mind for battle strategies

  • @ahmedmehmood8462
    @ahmedmehmood8462 5 лет назад +4

    Ever thought about covering mythical battles or battles that are not known if they are mythical or true.

  • @UGNAvalon
    @UGNAvalon 5 лет назад +5

    Video: Our series on GRR Martin’s universe will continue.
    Pinned comment: This is probably our last episode on ASOIAF.
    Me: D;

  • @jermainejames4935
    @jermainejames4935 3 года назад

    Very good I enjoyed this video

  • @Tejasisphoenix
    @Tejasisphoenix 5 дней назад

    The war scene filmed at battle of bastards is perhaps the most realistic and greatest battle scene in the history with exception of saving private ryon opening scene

  • @fongy200
    @fongy200 4 года назад +5

    "And Ramsay was later killed by his own hounds." "And Sansa Stark fed Ramsay to his own hounds."

  • @DavidMacDowellBlue
    @DavidMacDowellBlue 5 лет назад +4

    Apart from anything else, it is absurd an army could approach Winterfell--as the Vale forces are supposed to have done--with neither Stark nor Bolton armies knowing about them.

    • @DonMadruga72
      @DonMadruga72 5 лет назад

      Of course yes. There are several ways to move an army in silence, it has been done several times in history and 2 times in the series (in battles of the book) before that.

    • @DavidMacDowellBlue
      @DavidMacDowellBlue 5 лет назад +2

      @@DonMadruga72 Name these instances. My bet is that you're talking about a small force moving swiftly over a short period of time. Or an army sometimes might take a path deemed impassible (usually for good reason). I can think of four real world examples of that, which is not the same as depicted here--a relatively open land through which a significant cavalry force is passing for weeks (the distance from the Vale to Winterfell). Likewise it is possible to hide an army's exact position and deceive as it its exact size, but not that it exists, not if it is present for more than (maybe) a few days.
      Likewise it is possible an army moving as fast as possible might enter an area without properly scouting ahead and encounter an army that way. Which is not the case here.
      As at Waterloo, both Stark and Bolton armies should have known via scouts the Knights of the Vale were in the North, just as Napoleon and Wellington both knew the Prussians were on their way. Just as the Lannister/Tyrell army should have known there was a large horde of Dothraki (and a dragon) nearby via scouts. A force that large moving (as it must) through a territory for days cannot be successfully hidden even if it didn't have a dragon that needed feeding. The Free Folk were distracted by a full on battle and were not the most professional army so I can just barely believe Stannis' forces could surprise them. The same logic applies to the slave masters besieging Mereen (which however does indicate a grave tactical error on their part).
      But I cannot think of a single instance in military history wherein one large army could approach another large army over the course of days without both knowing the other was there pretty soon. The nearest example I can think on is Little Big Horn, when Custer leaped to a conclusion that a settlement was smaller and less defended than in fact it was. I think it was in Austerlitz Napoleon did successfully hide a portion of his army during the chaos of battle, but that is not at all the same thing. There was also Midway, wherein a scout plane was delayed taking off, but even so the Japanese fleet soon realized there must be a carrier or two in range. In Operation Market Garden the plan was so hastily put together the staff ignored intelligence involving a panzer group (I forget--it might have been a division) at Arnhem, in part because the Resistance was not trusted. That, again, is something else--a willful refusal to believe intelligence.

  • @AstroSully
    @AstroSully 4 месяца назад

    13:10 the fact that this segment gives more justice to the White Walkers says it all about Dumb and Dumber 😂

  • @acxc13
    @acxc13 Год назад +1

    If they gave Wun Wun a big club or something instead of going in with just his hands, Wun Wun could have taken out thousands by himself.

  • @fumaaa5643
    @fumaaa5643 5 лет назад +4

    I almost did not click but since im a loyal fan i always watch every video

  • @tancreddehauteville9983
    @tancreddehauteville9983 5 лет назад +5

    All hail 👑 King Aegon VI, the knower of nothing, the doer of everything! 🐉

  • @HarryTheBold1232
    @HarryTheBold1232 5 лет назад

    Another great video on game of thrones

  • @AlgaeNymph
    @AlgaeNymph 5 лет назад +1

    I was hoping this would be the "battle" from S8 and you'd be pointing out everything that went wrong, such as how the "greater threat" was a fizzled plotline.

  • @duchi882
    @duchi882 5 лет назад +4

    *Hope you guys cover Attack on Titan battles*
    Not Historical but the operations are interesting enough for a video

  • @fzzy5739
    @fzzy5739 5 лет назад +4

    thank you for covering the REAL battle of winterfell

  • @paulraines9635
    @paulraines9635 5 лет назад +1

    I got so fucking scared when I read the title. I was like "No, not the Long Night, anything but the Long Night."

  • @rafaelluis133
    @rafaelluis133 5 лет назад

    I would like to know which edition program you use in your videos to represent the obligatory background maps.

  • @johnbenedictsy530
    @johnbenedictsy530 5 лет назад +20

    one of the dumbest battles. both generals were incompetent.

    • @thetalesofelbek7042
      @thetalesofelbek7042 3 года назад +3

      I would argue , ramsay would easily win if not for the knights of the vale !

    • @winjiro
      @winjiro 3 года назад +1

      @@thetalesofelbek7042 ramsay's scout were so lazy

  • @NYCfrankie
    @NYCfrankie 5 лет назад +6

    How disappointed were u wit the ending

    • @NYCfrankie
      @NYCfrankie 5 лет назад

      @Admiralcurtis666 do believe that d&d stayed true to what grrm told them about the ending cause I think the books ending will be almost completely different and as a book reader since 05 I hope the books r different

  • @sansonefabio8177
    @sansonefabio8177 5 лет назад

    You should do Oxcross or more of Robbs campaign if possible! Great content btw, keep it up!

  • @TheCobraman22
    @TheCobraman22 5 лет назад +1

    Just Amazing!

    • @otgunz
      @otgunz 5 лет назад

      thanks for watching!