I had a 2012 Tundra with BDS 7” lift Fox coil overs, 35” tires, Air bags, rigid lights and more. Great truck, I just needed better towing power AND off road capability so I got the 2022 Ram Power Wagon. What a beast! Everything in life has pros and cons. You have to give up something to gain something that’s the basic physics of life.
I appreciate your videos! Really cool to see the difference in all the vehicles and tire sizes / types! I have a stock ram rebel and would love to see a comparison video with the rebel!!!! I know the power wagon is much better than my rebel but it would be really cool to see! Find someone with a rebel and do it for the fans! Lol thanks again for creating and sharing this great content!
I am a fan of rebels. I am going to see if any rebel off-roaders are around me but I believe it’s going to be very similar with my tundra since they are same size and similarly equipped
Great video & nice built. With that said, momentum & experience were the difference. The person driving the power wagon had both the momentum & experience / confidence. Also, it would have been nice to see a trdo pro vs the power wagon. 🤷♂️ Again nice built, & you're just going to get better the more you do it =]
thanks for the comment. For the 2.5 gen tundra, the only difference Trd pro has is the suspension and it won’t be high enough for this terrain anyway, the stock Trdpro still doesn’t have a rear locker so in terms of rock climbing capability in the shown terrain, I’d be fairly confident to say mine is a better suited truck than a stock trdpro
A good note is the power wagon is mostly stock? So you have to “modify “ the tundra to be able to keep up. The power wagon is very unique and has a lengthy history dating back to 1946 I believe even though the original power wagon was dramatically a different beast then the current truck model. I love all trucks and I’ve had 8, all Ford, Toyota, and now Ram… Thank you for your quality video, love your demeanor.
Currently the Power Wagon stock is more capable offroad in anything else out there, the only feature that is great that the Power Wagon doesn't have is the Toyota's crawl control where it can effectively unstuck itself.
For how massive and heavy the power wagon is it is crazy capable. That tundra is a sweet build. I had a tundra and loved it and have a power wagon currently. It does everything i want it to for work and exploring. Only negative is tight spaces.
Thanks for the comment. Yea it is hard to imagine something bigger than a already big tundra. But my tundra looks small compared to his power wagon. How do you like ur power wagon? Do u think it’s as reliable long term as a tundra?
@@4WDisLife I have had several toyotas since 2005. All were reliable except a 2016 Tacoma which had electrical and transmission issues. I traded it. I'd guess your tundra would be more reliable but am not overly concerned with the ram. I have 16000 miles and pull a trailer for work pretty often. It hasn't missed a beat. It's on aev wheels and 35s at the moment. It's really comfortable and I really like it. Only thing is it's thirsty lol.
@@FoxtrotYanky Ya no arguments there. I have a fun hatchback for running around. The powerwagon was on a short list of vehicles that could handle the exploring and work. I pull a couple trailers at work ones just under 4 and the other around 8,000 pounds loaded. It has been really good for me.
@@4WDisLife tundr will last 3 times longer then dodge, there are 3 tundras with over 1 million miles original motor and transmission, you could go sfa and front lockers to be equally capable of the pw, but sfa will compromise your dessert runs
Thank you for the final part. If one is not mature enough to accept that its too much for the vehicle and try to send it, that's when they end up in FailArmy videos breaking stuff. Thank you for showing its no big deal to give up and go homa safely. I have done stupid things in the past putting my vehicle and family in danger in the past. Please share your front locker plans. I'm thinking for my 4runner as well. But I'm scared about the axles and tie rods. I would love if Kai do a video on 4runner platform while you do Tundra. It would help us alot. Thank you.
Thanks man. Appreciate the kind words. I am a very cautious off-roader who still have fun. As for the front locker, I think it’s definitively a good tool, but as much as I want one, I will have to admit that myself (driver) is still going to be the bottleneck of my truck and I am fine with that. So adding a locker may be beneficial in some area but the return over investment for me is not high. I do think I need a snorkel more.
Sorry, I realize I’m way late to the party here, enjoyed the video though. If you like slow wheeling (I love it personally, better for the trails, for the trucks etc), before 37’s, long travel, front locker etc, take a look at marlin crawler. Better gearing works wonders for traction.
A small bump-up likely would have gotten you there on a few of the attempts, but I like your front locker idea better. Why beat on your truck when the right mechanical tool at the right time gets you there with more mechanical sympathy?
Yea. I did believe I was doing the small bump however it doesn’t look like it in the video. It definitely felt more action sitting in the drivers seat than watching on video. And well said on the front locker part. I am still debating whether I should get it or not because I rarely attempt this hill in this rainy condition and sometimes having front locker engaged may put more stress on the front axles
@@4WDisLife with the IFS trucks steering angle matters a lot when it comes to lockers. If you avoid too much steering angle when the front is locked your CVs should hold up fine.
No shame in going slow. That's what I do... When I look at how much wheel torque can be produced... 9576 lbs with mine (171 engine torque x 56:1 crawl) and probably over 15,000lbs with yours (400 * about 35:1)... I dont think people appreciate just how much force is going to the wheels... a little bit of wheel hop and boom... busted axle. And with mine... it can lock the rear .. and then with the ptu, send 100% to the rear ... so that means 100% can go to just one wheel if a tire is off the ground and all of it goes to the rear . The axles cant handle that if you're not slipping... its a lot... potentially 9576 lbs to one tire!
I have repeatedly haha. But I keep talking myself out of it. It would definitely make my truck more capable but I do think right now I am the bottle neck of my trucks Offroad capability. If my need for my truck becomes more Offroad oriented than it already is, I probably would get the locker. Other wise, I think my truck needs a snorkel more haha.
always knew power wagons were no joke... thought for sure a tundra with lockers would go toe to toe with it one. 35s vs 37s i didn't think would make that much a difference considering the 2500diff hanging down. at that point why even buy a tundra vs a power wagon lol. power wagon comes with the lockers, the winch, disconnecting swaybar, bed is longer and way more useful, solid axles, interior is way nicer, way more creature comforts, can take bigger tires stock, can tow better and more payload, pw has a transmission cooler (tundras stopped for some reason), mpgs are similar.... pw is a little bigger but its not like either put you closer to tacoma/wrangler size for trails....other than the toyota name and i guess the price tag - is the power wagon just not a superior vehicle? I say that having a 21 TRD pro tundra.
Pw is superior in most of the ways except two for me, one is it’s almost $30k more than my tundra, I got mine for 40k. But with all the modifications that gao becomes smaller. Two is the size, i prefer a smaller built of my tundra over PW especially in the city environment. But, if they are both priced similarly I’d go with PW
the drive train in the Power Wagon is MASSIVELY overbuilt. The transmission and axles are what you'd find in a Class 5 truck like an F550. @@isaacgonzales3347
@@isaacgonzales3347 On the highway maybe but not doing stuff like this. The tundra will beat itself to death while the power wagon is still crawling around. Toyotas reliability advantage can go away quickly off road or working hard towing heavy and such.
@@4WDisLife Nice. How bad do those 37s kill the MPG. I know they are pigs with stock tires. I'm seriously considering pulling the trigger on a PW. It would be a daily driver. If I can squeeze 14-16 MPG it would cost about the same as the diesel I'm currently driving. I would have to have the 37s though.
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I had a 2012 Tundra with BDS 7” lift Fox coil overs, 35” tires, Air bags, rigid lights and more. Great truck, I just needed better towing power AND off road capability so I got the 2022 Ram Power Wagon. What a beast!
Everything in life has pros and cons. You have to give up something to gain something that’s the basic physics of life.
Power Wagon is the best off road truck hands down!! I'm gonna get a Power Wagon here soon, my Tacoma is nice but it's just way to small!!
I’d have to agree
I have just ordered a 2024 PW. Will install 35” tires and that’s all. Very capable truck. Lockers are significant.
The biggest difference in the two approaches is definitely momentum.
Yea. Definitely agree.
I just realized I don’t have the patience for slow speed off roading. 🤣
I appreciate your videos! Really cool to see the difference in all the vehicles and tire sizes / types! I have a stock ram rebel and would love to see a comparison video with the rebel!!!! I know the power wagon is much better than my rebel but it would be really cool to see! Find someone with a rebel and do it for the fans! Lol thanks again for creating and sharing this great content!
I am a fan of rebels. I am going to see if any rebel off-roaders are around me but I believe it’s going to be very similar with my tundra since they are same size and similarly equipped
As long as you are having fun, that’s all that matters. Thank you for sharing.
Agree 100%. Thanks for commenting.
Great video & nice built. With that said, momentum & experience were the difference. The person driving the power wagon had both the momentum & experience / confidence. Also, it would have been nice to see a trdo pro vs the power wagon. 🤷♂️ Again nice built, & you're just going to get better the more you do it =]
thanks for the comment. For the 2.5 gen tundra, the only difference Trd pro has is the suspension and it won’t be high enough for this terrain anyway, the stock Trdpro still doesn’t have a rear locker so in terms of rock climbing capability in the shown terrain, I’d be fairly confident to say mine is a better suited truck than a stock trdpro
A good note is the power wagon is mostly stock? So you have to “modify “ the tundra to be able to keep up. The power wagon is very unique and has a lengthy history dating back to 1946 I believe even though the original power wagon was dramatically a different beast then the current truck model. I love all trucks and I’ve had 8, all Ford, Toyota, and now Ram…
Thank you for your quality video, love your demeanor.
Currently the Power Wagon stock is more capable offroad in anything else out there, the only feature that is great that the Power Wagon doesn't have is the Toyota's crawl control where it can effectively unstuck itself.
Power wagon is awesome,but compare them after 300k miles Toyota hands down reliable
agree.
Only difference I saw was one guy knew how to off-road and the other didn’t
For how massive and heavy the power wagon is it is crazy capable. That tundra is a sweet build. I had a tundra and loved it and have a power wagon currently. It does everything i want it to for work and exploring. Only negative is tight spaces.
Thanks for the comment. Yea it is hard to imagine something bigger than a already big tundra. But my tundra looks small compared to his power wagon. How do you like ur power wagon? Do u think it’s as reliable long term as a tundra?
@@4WDisLife I have had several toyotas since 2005. All were reliable except a 2016 Tacoma which had electrical and transmission issues. I traded it. I'd guess your tundra would be more reliable but am not overly concerned with the ram. I have 16000 miles and pull a trailer for work pretty often. It hasn't missed a beat. It's on aev wheels and 35s at the moment. It's really comfortable and I really like it. Only thing is it's thirsty lol.
You said the only negative was tight spaces, but I disagree. The only negative is the gas mileage!
@@FoxtrotYanky Ya no arguments there. I have a fun hatchback for running around. The powerwagon was on a short list of vehicles that could handle the exploring and work. I pull a couple trailers at work ones just under 4 and the other around 8,000 pounds loaded. It has been really good for me.
@@WbrookS-jm2bj I get 9-11 mpg’s cuz I love that skinny pedal
Nice to see the progress in the rig…not sure that the solid-axle PW should be your performance target. Just enjoy the drive!
Thanks man. Yea. I made peace with my tundra not able to hang with PW haha.
@@4WDisLife tundr will last 3 times longer then dodge, there are 3 tundras with over 1 million miles original motor and transmission, you could go sfa and front lockers to be equally capable of the pw, but sfa will compromise your dessert runs
Thank you for the final part. If one is not mature enough to accept that its too much for the vehicle and try to send it, that's when they end up in FailArmy videos breaking stuff. Thank you for showing its no big deal to give up and go homa safely. I have done stupid things in the past putting my vehicle and family in danger in the past. Please share your front locker plans. I'm thinking for my 4runner as well. But I'm scared about the axles and tie rods. I would love if Kai do a video on 4runner platform while you do Tundra. It would help us alot. Thank you.
Thanks man. Appreciate the kind words. I am a very cautious off-roader who still have fun. As for the front locker, I think it’s definitively a good tool, but as much as I want one, I will have to admit that myself (driver) is still going to be the bottleneck of my truck and I am fine with that. So adding a locker may be beneficial in some area but the return over investment for me is not high. I do think I need a snorkel more.
I love both the trucks !
Sorry, I realize I’m way late to the party here, enjoyed the video though.
If you like slow wheeling (I love it personally, better for the trails, for the trucks etc), before 37’s, long travel, front locker etc, take a look at marlin crawler. Better gearing works wonders for traction.
Thanks for that input and yes marlin crawler would be sweet. But I just can’t justify modding a daily that much. Maybe one day. Cheers
Buenas máquinas!! 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
A small bump-up likely would have gotten you there on a few of the attempts, but I like your front locker idea better. Why beat on your truck when the right mechanical tool at the right time gets you there with more mechanical sympathy?
Yea. I did believe I was doing the small bump however it doesn’t look like it in the video. It definitely felt more action sitting in the drivers seat than watching on video. And well said on the front locker part. I am still debating whether I should get it or not because I rarely attempt this hill in this rainy condition and sometimes having front locker engaged may put more stress on the front axles
@@4WDisLife with the IFS trucks steering angle matters a lot when it comes to lockers. If you avoid too much steering angle when the front is locked your CVs should hold up fine.
The major difference here The guy in the power wagon doesn’t drive like a bit** 😂
Lol. Sometimes it’s okay to be a bit** lol
@@4WDisLife 100% agree sir I would be driving my tundra the exact same way 😂
No shame in going slow. That's what I do... When I look at how much wheel torque can be produced... 9576 lbs with mine (171 engine torque x 56:1 crawl) and probably over 15,000lbs with yours (400 * about 35:1)... I dont think people appreciate just how much force is going to the wheels... a little bit of wheel hop and boom... busted axle.
And with mine... it can lock the rear .. and then with the ptu, send 100% to the rear ... so that means 100% can go to just one wheel if a tire is off the ground and all of it goes to the rear . The axles cant handle that if you're not slipping... its a lot... potentially 9576 lbs to one tire!
Have you considered a front locker?
I have repeatedly haha. But I keep talking myself out of it. It would definitely make my truck more capable but I do think right now I am the bottle neck of my trucks Offroad capability. If my need for my truck becomes more Offroad oriented than it already is, I probably would get the locker. Other wise, I think my truck needs a snorkel more haha.
always knew power wagons were no joke... thought for sure a tundra with lockers would go toe to toe with it one. 35s vs 37s i didn't think would make that much a difference considering the 2500diff hanging down.
at that point why even buy a tundra vs a power wagon lol. power wagon comes with the lockers, the winch, disconnecting swaybar, bed is longer and way more useful, solid axles, interior is way nicer, way more creature comforts, can take bigger tires stock, can tow better and more payload, pw has a transmission cooler (tundras stopped for some reason), mpgs are similar.... pw is a little bigger but its not like either put you closer to tacoma/wrangler size for trails....other than the toyota name and i guess the price tag - is the power wagon just not a superior vehicle?
I say that having a 21 TRD pro tundra.
Pw is superior in most of the ways except two for me, one is it’s almost $30k more than my tundra, I got mine for 40k. But with all the modifications that gao becomes smaller. Two is the size, i prefer a smaller built of my tundra over PW especially in the city environment. But, if they are both priced similarly I’d go with PW
One word, reliability. Tundras go to 1 million miles original motor and transmission
the drive train in the Power Wagon is MASSIVELY overbuilt. The transmission and axles are what you'd find in a Class 5 truck like an F550. @@isaacgonzales3347
@@isaacgonzales3347 On the highway maybe but not doing stuff like this. The tundra will beat itself to death while the power wagon is still crawling around. Toyotas reliability advantage can go away quickly off road or working hard towing heavy and such.
Does disconnecting the sway bar make any significant offroad ability deference to the Tundra?
Yea. If the tundra is disconnected it’s front flex would be more but it may hinder the on road ability a lot.
disconnect front sway bar will probably get you through the rolling rock hill.
What locker did you go with?
eaton e locker.
How’s your rear locker holding up?
So far so good.
Just go trade in your Toyota and go find yourself a power wagon.
Or spend another 10,000 in larger lift, front locker and larger tires
I am happy with where I am. But thanks for the advice.
You should of took the same line, your tundra would have been ok
Stock powerwagon comes with 33’s
Has that Power Wagon been regeared?
Stock gearing.
@@4WDisLife Nice. How bad do those 37s kill the MPG. I know they are pigs with stock tires. I'm seriously considering pulling the trigger on a PW. It would be a daily driver. If I can squeeze 14-16 MPG it would cost about the same as the diesel I'm currently driving. I would have to have the 37s though.
@@MrXerxes Ok. Thanks for the info. I live in MD. Gas prices aren’t too bad. Compare to CA anyway
Can you not whisper please. It’s weird.
That’s how I like it bro.
announcer is a light weight