And diff locks stock! Not discrediting the power wagon at all. I'm a fan. I have a 17 ram 3500 Cummins and wish they had the options like the power wagon has. Dif locks would come in handy when I'm offroading it and am lifting tires off the ground. But most people don't use their 1 tons like I do.
@@rediron44 yeah they did haha. I love doing some mild wheeling in my F150 but those power wagons are just absolute beasts for their size. Disconnectable sway bars and gearing can get you out trouble real quick.
It was great watching the Tremor do so well on the trail. With Ford offering the Torsen front Differential it definitely puts the Ford Tremors in a higher level of off-roading capability.
Just goes to show how a solid front end will benefit you when you need the articulation. Granted, I'm sure the tremor had at least a rear locker and the PW had dual lockers engaged. I would have loved to have seen how far the PW could get before engaging the lockers. It's an impressive rig considering its 99% stock. (Larger tires only I'm guessing)
Had a PW, and man I loved that rig. Took it on every trail she would fit. The tremor is not a bad rig, and will do 99% of what a power wagon will. Just will be a little more tipsy. Lol I sometimes miss the full size fun.
@@flight2k5 making it and making it look easy are two different things. The power wagon has sway bar disconnects that give the axles more articulation plus a front locker.
The black tundra with a snorkel is a prime example of too big of tires for the lift should not scrub at full lock also front and rear lockers do wonders my 4th gen 4 runner came factory with a central locking diff and I have since installed ARB compressor and front and rear ARB air lockers
I love my 2018 PW. But I have to admit I miss the maneuverability of a smaller 4x4. I wish they made a Regular cab short bed PW. The 2022 F150 Tremor can be configured with a Regular cab short bed. Just missing the V8. Have you considered the 392 Rubicon!?
@@danieldalluge9435 I've owned a Wrangler before and I wasn't impressed with it. The other truck I've been looking at is the Chevy Colorado zr2 diesel. My buddy has Chevy Colorado diesel and he also has them for his business as well and on of them has 300,000 miles on it and no issues. I wish Toyota would come out with there diesel and a front locker
I miss my 96 ZJ with 360k mi. Way more comfortable then a Wrangler. And will go anywhere the Wrangler can. Speaking of GM. The 2022 Silverado looks promising! With the 6.2 (If you can't tell I like V8s) And modern factory offroad goodies and suspension. Right in between the Tremor and Raptor. Such a great time to be a 4x4 enthusiast with so many great choices. Can't wait to see the new 4Runner. I like the new Tundra. Yet I digress... you will have to pry my cold dead hands off the steering wheel of my PW before I get rid of it! LoL
All the hate on the Toyotas, yet they made it through all the same obstacles with smaller tires (35 vs 37), less ground clearance, and no lockers at all.
If you can drive, traction control will get yoh alot further than you think. Wasnt long ago you couldn't get lockers in any pickups aside from the G80 in the Z71 and the older tacomas. People these days think if it doesn't have front and rear lockers it cant offroad. Even todays most basic 4wd trucks will mop the floor offroad with the best of older trucks from the 80s and 90s.
I am 100% convinced that I need 37s and wheels instead of an Amp Research deployable step for my 2022 PW. Any rub-a-dub-dub when maxed out with the 37s?
37s on stock PW wheels rub lightly on the radius arms and sway bar, only at full lock and only just enough to be audible and not enough to hurt the tires. Only enough to shine up the iron. No body damage. They rub even less with AEV wheels that have a little offset.
37's have too much sidewall roll for the road. Plus they rub, considerably. 35's bolt on with no issues. I'm going to order some soon. However, I have heard tires are on the growing shortages list, too.
@@3-2-1-. you've never had 37s, have you? You're full of crap. Too much sidewall flex for the road!? What, are you rollng around on 20 pounds of air or are you full of crap not knowing what you're talking about cuz you never had a set? I have 37 12.5 17 Milestar Patagonias on my 2016 Power Wagon and I pull a friggin 16 ft dump trailer loaded with my 8300 lb excavator and 4 attachments which weighs a combined 14000lbs with ZERO problems nearly every day besides 3 trips wheeling all over Moab at 18-24 psi over cinderblock sharp rocks and I've never had a blow out or any control issues. I run 75 psi on the highway not 40 or 20 or whatever you must be doing...
@@vincer8691 It's not a "cop out". The frame being too stiff will decrease overall ride quality. Even boxed frames have to have flex. Toyota went to a boxed frame but also went to rear coils to make up for the hit to ride quality. If you didn't have frame flex, it would crack and break while flexing or towing.
Trail 11 the hard way is the best spot to test tire clearance and articulation. This is where I learned that I needed to move the rear axle back on my '13 Power Wagon to better clear 37 x 13.5 Toyo MTs. 13 and older have the leaf sprung rear and the axle swings forward a bit under load causing the tire to bite into the fender. Moved it back 1.5" and came back to this trail and it passed the test. On the other hand I note that the leaf spring flexes a bit more because of that freedom and my tires do not lift at all on this track.
These Tundras don’t come with crawl control, mts, or any lockers. Mistake by Toyota and not sure why they didn’t put those in, even in the trd pro models there’s no rear locker from factory. They could’ve easily added that along with the crawl control mts system like in the 4Runner, tacoma, land cruisers, and fj cruisers. People who build up tundras put lockers in themselves and that makes all the difference.
They skipped on the tundra to keep the interests towards the 4 runners and Tacomas for heavy offroad use. If they produced decked out offroad Tundras I believe people would ditch the other models.
Yeah, Toyota definitely half-assed this generation of TRD Tundras. The new one is supposed to come with a rear locking differential and that stuff, so it'll probably be much better. Either way though, it'll still be IFS so the Ford and Dodge here will still have much better front articulation.
These guys are driving full size trucks up a creek washout. Pretty impressive. I know an old guy with a bone stock base model 2000 Cherokee who thinks it’s unstoppable. No way it can do this. I’ve seen him get stuck in a gravel parking lot
Thats the trade off. PW has the better offroad because it gives up the payload for articulation. But some bags and daystar cradles and you get that back and keep the flex.
As much as I love an HD 3/4 ton 4x4 truck and a huge fan of the PW. The tundra with the IFS only needed it’s traction control to kick in and get it thru the same obstacles. I’d argue the additional challenge of a 1/2 ton with open diffs makes off-roading more fun anyway…
I didn't buy a PW for fun. I bought it for when the SHTF. Coincidentally, that's where we all are. Also, you might think it would be hard to camouflage an 8,000 lb beast. Ever been to Africa? Lots of people stumble onto elephants in the woods. The right colors make all the difference.
@@3-2-1-. haha touché. I def wouldn’t buy an 8,000 lb beast for camouflage but I like where your heads at. Plus I ain’t going back to Africa. Not any time soon so while I’m in the good ol’ US of A I’ll just drive what I want when I want where I want (within reason of course). Keep up the cool content I appreciate it.
8:32 No buddy, that's like real, 4x4, everything locked up. AWD has a centre diff that splits power 50/50 front rear (or some variation of that) that way you always have power to atleast one tire in the front and one tire in the rear.
A lot of true 4x4s have a center differential too. Wranglers and Power Wagons included. Vehicles that have "Part time four wheel drive" utilize the center differential, while "full time four wheel drive" leaves the center differential open, allowing the vehicle to shift power between the front and rear axles. I had older Jeep Cherokee XJs that had both options via the "Selec-Trac" 4x4 system.
The “center diff” on a real 4x4 should really be called a transfer case. It is more than a simple differential that is on an axle, and doesn’t need to unlock like the axle differentials do. Except to come out of 4x4 into 2x4.
The Tundra driver should try old school crawl control/lockers... drive with two feet. Using the brake pedal accually helps regain the loose of traction by doing the same thing ABS does for traction control. By limiting the slip of the spinning tires. Also aids in reaction time when crawling... not all herky jerky. We all know smooth steady momentum is a winning combo.
All he had to do in the tundra is turn off the traction control. It locks all four in and he would have had continuous traction without spinning while the other wheels were not! At least thats the way mine works.. the other two are beasts though!!
@@ez7977 thats completely wrong. Turning off traction control only allows more wheel speed. It doesnt lock anything together. The tundra has open front and rear diffs. Even when the traction control is off, its still on applying brakes to transfer power to the wheels with grip. With traction control on in slick black mud it will barely go above idle even at full throttle. My Titan XD is this way too. Turning the traction control off just stops it from reducing the engine power.
@@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix - - no, you are wrong.. i never said the vehicle has lockers. ive got a 2013 tundra and i can turn off the traction, and auto slip measures (not to be confused with a slip differential). The tundra has an auto slip differential mode that emulates a true locking diff.. while the wheels are not truely locked, they opperate as though they are even though the system is an open differential system. And at least in my 2013, taking turns when all systems are turned off, all tires are not spinning separately.. and similar in offroad situations the truck opperates as though the wheels are all locked and provides continuous power to all wheels. The operator in the vid driving the tundra did not have the setting on or off as i explain as i can see the wheels not providing power uniformly.
Toyota’s differential clutches have too much slippage need a diff with higher pressure . The ram and Ford differential had little slippage. The tire that was spinning would get all the power and the opposite wheel would barely move.
I’m actually still impressed with the Tundra’s ability to get over the “cross axle” areas where a locker would’ve been more beneficial. It seems to sense some slip and lock it up using the limited slip diff. May take a LITTLE longer to clear trails but it’ll atleast get itself through
I thought it had at least a rear locker? That's impressive it was able to sense and transfer power over to the traction tire in those circumstances. Japanese tech FTW!
@@downbytheriver501 some of them now come with lockers but those earlier tundras (I believe pre 2016) were limited slip or electronic limited slip. Can’t remember lol
Tremor would be my pick. For payload. The tundra and power wagon will haul some stuff but for legal reasons and peace of mind, I’d have to take the tremor. Reliability I’d take the tundra all day.
You can keep your traction control and IFS. No substitute for solid axles and lockers and a transfer case with a lever.....no push button, electronic nonsense!. I'm an old guy.....what can I say.
It’s not all about the truck I would say 80% is the driver and if he knows how to drive that truck or not because that Ford would chew them right up no problem lol just joking you all did a awesome job I would say 🔥👍
The ford did fine, but only one truck out of the bunch built for this type of terrain. The board is longer than a well rope can't believe they took it in there
@@4x4OffRoadChannel perfect thanks for the info. I’m taking my truck into some rocky conditions this weekend and want to air down a bit. You haven’t had any problems with it popping the bead off?
Power wagon is my choice. I own a Jeep Rubicon and let me tell you the power wagon for being a full size truck can keep up on almost any off road situation. The ford did awesome as well. The Tundra, if they would of used the TRD PRO edition, would come with a rear locker and Really good traction assist system, and would of done way better.
@@fritty9927 having a full size pickup that can do what a Tacoma or Jeep can do is a big advantage. More towing power and more room. Not mention more power and torque
People have them out becauze they freaking suck when they're in. My company truck is a 2500 Ram and I freaking hate the mirrors with a passion. When theyre down or "in" you have a big blind spot and can easily cut someone off or side swipe someone because you think its clear to change lanes when it isnt clear. Those mirrors alone are the reason ill never buy a Ram. Drivers flip them up because they cant see crap when they're down. You habe a square on the inside and a convex on yhe outside in the down position and its awkward as hell and yoj cant just glance real quick because you're eyes need am extra second to focus on the right mirror.
Well the yotas left me speechless, and not in a good way. Tremor and PW are really impressive. If this was a sales video of what each could do off-road then the toyotas would be bottom of the list.
I wonder if those tundras had locking diffs. Power wagon has front and rear plus sway bar disconnect so it is obviously the clear winner. Tremor I would assume has a rear locker.
Guys. no offense. the cars are cool. I drove the Tundra myself. and what you showed. it was a kindergarten. I personally have a 1992 Pajero. 4 doors. and I performed better on it. but again. you have one problem. you need to change the gasket. the one between the steering wheel and the seat.
Dont really matter how good that Dodge is off road. Reliability is a joke once you start getting any really mileage on them. Hahahaha ill take the Tundra
@@Steve-yr5vi electrical issues such as the famous TIPM faulure. Cam and lifter failures, exhaust manifolds cracking, transmissions suddenly going into gear when parked are just a few. Yeah, all trucks have their issues but Fiat didnt do Chrysler any favors. Resale value on Rams less also.
@@Steve-yr5vi and the fact is that most pickups and suvs sold today are living the life of a pavement Princess. But in all seriousness, do a search for off road Tundras and Sequoias. You would be surprised what ya find.
That tundra is a lot cheaper than a power wagon or tremor. It’s a different truck. For a normal driver who doesn’t drive through creeks, the tundra is fine. It’s all about needs and what ya can afford.
RAM is clearly the winner here. But it was designed to do that. Ford did well too, but not as good. Toyota(s) having problems every part of that trail. LOL.
Shows how big of a difference a sway bar disconnect is. Love the wagons.
And lockers. The one Tundra appeared to have an LSD or something though.
And diff locks stock! Not discrediting the power wagon at all. I'm a fan. I have a 17 ram 3500 Cummins and wish they had the options like the power wagon has. Dif locks would come in handy when I'm offroading it and am lifting tires off the ground. But most people don't use their 1 tons like I do.
And lockers
@@squid0013 yeah no doubt. I was mostly speaking on how little body movements where compared to the others. All are bad ass trucks regardless.
The Tremor did great and it’s got payload for days. I have a 21 Power Wagon (scratched and dented already) and love it. Full size mob coming through 😂
Yea, it did great there. Love those and the Power Wagons. They ate those Toyotas up..
You are a brave man, they are expensive. Even used ones are going for 62k plus where i live
@@rediron44 for the price difference they better haha
@@rediron44 yeah they did haha. I love doing some mild wheeling in my F150 but those power wagons are just absolute beasts for their size. Disconnectable sway bars and gearing can get you out trouble real quick.
Ford and the Ram made it look effortless, the Tundras took some effort.
I have one. When they spin the abs brakes only that wheel and moves power to the one with more traction. They don't have true limited slip.
That's the difference between traction control and mechanical lockers. For a truck with just open differentials the Tundra does pretty well.
Toyota made for street. Looks.
@@gol10dr45 yet it gets everywhere the other 2 got and will last way longer then both
@@robertespinoza2740 follow me on some trails. Bumper is gone. Ask me how I know. 290k and still going. Toyota can suck a sushi
That suspension on the powerwagon😍
Love the Power Wagon, such a beast! The Tremor did great too 👍🏾
It was great watching the Tremor do so well on the trail. With Ford offering the Torsen front Differential it definitely puts the Ford Tremors in a higher level of off-roading capability.
Just goes to show how a solid front end will benefit you when you need the articulation. Granted, I'm sure the tremor had at least a rear locker and the PW had dual lockers engaged. I would have loved to have seen how far the PW could get before engaging the lockers. It's an impressive rig considering its 99% stock. (Larger tires only I'm guessing)
Tremors have a rear e-locker and front torsen limited slip from the factory.
Power wagon looks so badass!
Had a PW, and man I loved that rig. Took it on every trail she would fit. The tremor is not a bad rig, and will do 99% of what a power wagon will. Just will be a little more tipsy. Lol I sometimes miss the full size fun.
It wont do 99% more like 75%
Here for the Powerwagon. It did not disappoint. Awesome vid
The Power Wagon isn’t just a full size truck, it’s 3/4 ton and over 7,000 lbs. it’s a beast of a truck and it goes just about anywhere.
You can get the tremor package in an f350
@@the1freeman116Ok, and?
Man, no other truck really can compete with the Power Wagon. It's in a league all its own.
This is true.
But they all made it
@Fred Wills the Tremor is a 3/4 ton like the power wagon.
@@flight2k5 making it and making it look easy are two different things. The power wagon has sway bar disconnects that give the axles more articulation plus a front locker.
@@drested1793 I love how you believe the power wagon is unique, when it was late to the locker game
front and rear locker and disconnectable sway bar on that power wagon, this truck are not even comparable to these
Great looking Rigs. Looks like that last yota might need to add a locker to his wish list. 😬
And a bigger lift kinda
PW appears to be in its element.
Temor makes it through. Seems a little out of place. Great truck though.
Toyota? Not so much.
That power wagon was wonderful to watch
The Tundras should stick to the speed bumps at the malls.🤣
The ford really would benefit from that disconnect swaybar.
ford did best with or without sway bar disconnected
Let’s compare 2 fully loaded off road rigs with lockers to a 1/2 ton rig with a limited slip. Sounds fair doesn’t it.
Probably because the tundra weighs as much and gets the MPG of a 3/4 ton 🤣
That’s Toyota’s fault
@@R3411y250 ehh the tundra only weighs like 5600 lbs in a crewmax
1/2 ton has the advantage since it's lighter. Put lockers and it would have done the best
Well the good news is when the others are worn out the Toyota will just be broke in!
The black tundra with a snorkel is a prime example of too big of tires for the lift should not scrub at full lock also front and rear lockers do wonders my 4th gen 4 runner came factory with a central locking diff and I have since installed ARB compressor and front and rear ARB air lockers
Where is this?I have a 2018 PW and would love to drive that!
Nothing beats a PW!! I'm so gonna get one here soon!! I'll have to take a video and show everyone when I trade my Tacoma in!!
I love my 2018 PW. But I have to admit I miss the maneuverability of a smaller 4x4. I wish they made a Regular cab short bed PW. The 2022 F150 Tremor can be configured with a Regular cab short bed. Just missing the V8. Have you considered the 392 Rubicon!?
@@danieldalluge9435
I've owned a Wrangler before and I wasn't impressed with it. The other truck I've been looking at is the Chevy Colorado zr2 diesel. My buddy has Chevy Colorado diesel and he also has them for his business as well and on of them has 300,000 miles on it and no issues. I wish Toyota would come out with there diesel and a front locker
I miss my 96 ZJ with 360k mi. Way more comfortable then a Wrangler. And will go anywhere the Wrangler can.
Speaking of GM. The 2022 Silverado looks promising! With the 6.2 (If you can't tell I like V8s) And modern factory offroad goodies and suspension. Right in between the Tremor and Raptor.
Such a great time to be a 4x4 enthusiast with so many great choices. Can't wait to see the new 4Runner. I like the new Tundra. Yet I digress... you will have to pry my cold dead hands off the steering wheel of my PW before I get rid of it! LoL
PW is a beast.......I absolutely love mine. Tremor intrigued me for a bit.....but my next truck will be another PW.
big mistake---if you want a ram buy a 3/4 ton so you get a live axle
I vote for the Tremor. That power wagon had really good suspension though.
Not impressed with the Toyota
Yeah, it's sad that no 2nd gen Tundra comes from the factory with a locker.
Toyota technology is so far behind, the tunda is way outdated.
is it me or only the PW doesnt have issues like the others. tremor comes in second after PW.
All the hate on the Toyotas, yet they made it through all the same obstacles with smaller tires (35 vs 37), less ground clearance, and no lockers at all.
No Hate. Don't take it personally. They did struggle compared to the others.
If all other had lockers and tundra still made it thru, then they would dominate with lockers, like the brand new tundra
Exactly! Might as well be comparing 4x4 with rear wheel only on the trail.
If you can drive, traction control will get yoh alot further than you think. Wasnt long ago you couldn't get lockers in any pickups aside from the G80 in the Z71 and the older tacomas. People these days think if it doesn't have front and rear lockers it cant offroad. Even todays most basic 4wd trucks will mop the floor offroad with the best of older trucks from the 80s and 90s.
Also 20 years from now the tundra will still have a happy owner ! The other two will be scrap metal
Interesting to watch the big-boys out playing.
The Toyota seems to be struggling quite a bit.
All the trucks are fine, it’s just the drivers who make them look bad
Tundra has a limited slip, that makes a big difference, but it did make it through at the end of the day.
I take a 2008 tundra hunting all the time, the things a beast and has over 300+ miles still running strong
So…largely stock PW and a largely stock Tremor go up against a heavily modded Tundra. And the Tundra is somehow better, or even on-par? 🤔
I am 100% convinced that I need 37s and wheels instead of an Amp Research deployable step for my 2022 PW.
Any rub-a-dub-dub when maxed out with the 37s?
37s on stock PW wheels rub lightly on the radius arms and sway bar, only at full lock and only just enough to be audible and not enough to hurt the tires. Only enough to shine up the iron. No body damage. They rub even less with AEV wheels that have a little offset.
37's have too much sidewall roll for the road. Plus they rub, considerably. 35's bolt on with no issues. I'm going to order some soon. However, I have heard tires are on the growing shortages list, too.
@@3-2-1-. you've never had 37s, have you? You're full of crap. Too much sidewall flex for the road!? What, are you rollng around on 20 pounds of air or are you full of crap not knowing what you're talking about cuz you never had a set?
I have 37 12.5 17 Milestar Patagonias on my 2016 Power Wagon and I pull a friggin 16 ft dump trailer loaded with my 8300 lb excavator and 4 attachments which weighs a combined 14000lbs with ZERO problems nearly every day besides 3 trips wheeling all over Moab at 18-24 psi over cinderblock sharp rocks and I've never had a blow out or any control issues. I run 75 psi on the highway not 40 or 20 or whatever you must be doing...
Do a Carli lift and then run 37's.
@@bobvincent4841 ya i wore out a few sets of 40 's on the road and trail ! It was my daily driver for year's. Air up , air down , no problem
PWs are monsters!
There is a lot of flex in the Toyota frame. I saw at one point the bumper almost touched the body on the left side.
It's designed that way. The Tundras are the same. No harm at all.
Toyota literally calls it "flex frame technology"
Uh. Ok. I just think it's a cop out on Toyota's part.
@@vincer8691 agreed. The new ones have a fully boxed frame. At least they learned.
@@vincer8691 It's not a "cop out". The frame being too stiff will decrease overall ride quality. Even boxed frames have to have flex. Toyota went to a boxed frame but also went to rear coils to make up for the hit to ride quality. If you didn't have frame flex, it would crack and break while flexing or towing.
Trail 11 the hard way is the best spot to test tire clearance and articulation. This is where I learned that I needed to move the rear axle back on my '13 Power Wagon to better clear 37 x 13.5 Toyo MTs. 13 and older have the leaf sprung rear and the axle swings forward a bit under load causing the tire to bite into the fender. Moved it back 1.5" and came back to this trail and it passed the test. On the other hand I note that the leaf spring flexes a bit more because of that freedom and my tires do not lift at all on this track.
Advantages of disconnecting sway bars. Power wagon is great except for the payload. Only reason i did not get one.
There’s a good video of a guy changing the suspension on the power wagon, making it an even better off road ride while improving payload.
I was very surprised to see the Tundra struggling. I want to see the new updated Tundra do the track you used.
Toyotas dont have locking front enda from the factory thats why. The Ram does.
@@Tiovergudo Does the new 2022? What a difference with a locking front diff!
Only limited slip rear diff on the yota.
I think the tundra did pretty well considering no lockers.
With auto LSD it held up just fine. Obviously wasn't as responsive but he made it through no doubt.
Tundra may not be better off road but at least it'll stay working 10 years later
I'll take the POWER WAGON!
As Nathan from TFL says, "Power Wagon don't care!"
What size tires you upgrade the ram too?
Lol damn. Good on you but I wouldn’t want to beat the shit out of my 50-60-70 thousand dollar truck
.. you believe we buy them why?
These Tundras don’t come with crawl control, mts, or any lockers. Mistake by Toyota and not sure why they didn’t put those in, even in the trd pro models there’s no rear locker from factory. They could’ve easily added that along with the crawl control mts system like in the 4Runner, tacoma, land cruisers, and fj cruisers. People who build up tundras put lockers in themselves and that makes all the difference.
They skipped on the tundra to keep the interests towards the 4 runners and Tacomas for heavy offroad use. If they produced decked out offroad Tundras I believe people would ditch the other models.
Yeah, Toyota definitely half-assed this generation of TRD Tundras. The new one is supposed to come with a rear locking differential and that stuff, so it'll probably be much better. Either way though, it'll still be IFS so the Ford and Dodge here will still have much better front articulation.
I see Jersey and PA plates on the trucks..anybody know where this was filmed?
Crud, now I need a powerwagon
These guys are driving full size trucks up a creek washout. Pretty impressive. I know an old guy with a bone stock base model 2000 Cherokee who thinks it’s unstoppable. No way it can do this. I’ve seen him get stuck in a gravel parking lot
I like Toyota Tundra's, but the lack of a rear locker was a deal breaker for me...
Get a Tacoma, they have a rear locker (on the TRD pros)
@@briandennis6821 I'm 6'2 265, I do not fit in a Taco. I have an F350 right now
Get the new Tundra with rear locker.
Really impressed with the Ram. Only wish it has the towing and payload of Ford.
Thats the trade off. PW has the better offroad because it gives up the payload for articulation. But some bags and daystar cradles and you get that back and keep the flex.
@@BBQNerd Bags can help with squat from a decent load but they do not increase payload unfortunately.
@@Jtwizzle How don't they? You just said it helps with squat from a decent load. The bags help the softer coils and normalize the payload.
Official payload can’t be changed even if you mod it to work better with weight
@@BBQNerd because everything else in the suspension, axles, tires, brakes, etc may not be overbuilt enough to handle extra load.
Power Wagon don't care!
Dam the tundras are struggling
What size tires are on the powerw
As much as I love an HD 3/4 ton 4x4 truck and a huge fan of the PW. The tundra with the IFS only needed it’s traction control to kick in and get it thru the same obstacles. I’d argue the additional challenge of a 1/2 ton with open diffs makes off-roading more fun anyway…
I didn't buy a PW for fun. I bought it for when the SHTF. Coincidentally, that's where we all are. Also, you might think it would be hard to camouflage an 8,000 lb beast. Ever been to Africa? Lots of people stumble onto elephants in the woods. The right colors make all the difference.
@@3-2-1-. haha touché. I def wouldn’t buy an 8,000 lb beast for camouflage but I like where your heads at. Plus I ain’t going back to Africa. Not any time soon so while I’m in the good ol’ US of A I’ll just drive what I want when I want where I want (within reason of course). Keep up the cool content I appreciate it.
@@3-2-1-. ??
would have been cool.if they used a 2022 tundra.
I will take my 2003 stock Wrangler Sport through there in a fraction of the time.
I have a 97 Cherokee that will smoke all 3 of them.
Yeah yeah yeah..... 😂
They can’t touch the pw off road. It’s a giant jeep rubicon.
the tremor did better
@@MrRod632Says who, Stevie Wonder?
8:32 No buddy, that's like real, 4x4, everything locked up.
AWD has a centre diff that splits power 50/50 front rear (or some variation of that) that way you always have power to atleast one tire in the front and one tire in the rear.
A lot of true 4x4s have a center differential too. Wranglers and Power Wagons included.
Vehicles that have "Part time four wheel drive" utilize the center differential, while "full time four wheel drive" leaves the center differential open, allowing the vehicle to shift power between the front and rear axles. I had older Jeep Cherokee XJs that had both options via the "Selec-Trac" 4x4 system.
@@USAFJUNKIE AWD is by definition not optional.
4x4 can be turned off.
The “center diff” on a real 4x4 should really be called a transfer case. It is more than a simple differential that is on an axle, and doesn’t need to unlock like the axle differentials do. Except to come out of 4x4 into 2x4.
The Tundra driver should try old school crawl control/lockers... drive with two feet. Using the brake pedal accually helps regain the loose of traction by doing the same thing ABS does for traction control. By limiting the slip of the spinning tires. Also aids in reaction time when crawling... not all herky jerky. We all know smooth steady momentum is a winning combo.
Putting a tundra up against those other two truck just isn’t a fair comparison.
Tundra vs. F150 vs. Ram 1500. That would be accurate.
@@drested1793 But the Tundra was up to the task....went through everything they did.
All he had to do in the tundra is turn off the traction control. It locks all four in and he would have had continuous traction without spinning while the other wheels were not! At least thats the way mine works.. the other two are beasts though!!
@@ez7977 thats completely wrong. Turning off traction control only allows more wheel speed. It doesnt lock anything together. The tundra has open front and rear diffs. Even when the traction control is off, its still on applying brakes to transfer power to the wheels with grip. With traction control on in slick black mud it will barely go above idle even at full throttle. My Titan XD is this way too. Turning the traction control off just stops it from reducing the engine power.
@@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix - - no, you are wrong.. i never said the vehicle has lockers. ive got a 2013 tundra and i can turn off the traction, and auto slip measures (not to be confused with a slip differential). The tundra has an auto slip differential mode that emulates a true locking diff.. while the wheels are not truely locked, they opperate as though they are even though the system is an open differential system. And at least in my 2013, taking turns when all systems are turned off, all tires are not spinning separately.. and similar in offroad situations the truck opperates as though the wheels are all locked and provides continuous power to all wheels. The operator in the vid driving the tundra did not have the setting on or off as i explain as i can see the wheels not providing power uniformly.
Did Toyota switch tires?
Two different trucks
Anybody know what brand rock sliders are on the Ford? Hard to find real rocker guards for Ford.
Looks like the standard Tremor steps.
Check out White Knuckler they make excellent rock sliders.
@@Fatherof001 thanks, so I guess they just bolt to the sheet metal and not the frame. Trying to avoid that.
@@camronbay1 I think I looked at them awhile back. I’ll have to check but don’t think they made anything for my specific model which is a ‘16 250
Model T in the sideline laughing and says "amatures"!
Toyota’s differential clutches have too much slippage need a diff with higher pressure . The ram and Ford differential had little slippage.
The tire that was spinning would get all the power and the opposite wheel would barely move.
Lockers make a big difference, the Thundra does not have any lockers only a traction control
Ram and Ford have lockers. Tundra was the only one without and it did really well considering that.
@@Offshore1977 It did, but the good thing is that the 22 comes with a rear locker
The Toyota went everywhere these trucks did. ATRAC is amazing software but I agree that a Locker is superior.
I’m actually still impressed with the Tundra’s ability to get over the “cross axle” areas where a locker would’ve been more beneficial. It seems to sense some slip and lock it up using the limited slip diff. May take a LITTLE longer to clear trails but it’ll atleast get itself through
I thought it had at least a rear locker? That's impressive it was able to sense and transfer power over to the traction tire in those circumstances. Japanese tech FTW!
@@downbytheriver501 some of them now come with lockers but those earlier tundras (I believe pre 2016) were limited slip or electronic limited slip. Can’t remember lol
Tremor would be my pick. For payload. The tundra and power wagon will haul some stuff but for legal reasons and peace of mind, I’d have to take the tremor. Reliability I’d take the tundra all day.
Ram 🐏 🤜🏻🤛🏼
What a difference when it comes to articulating and traction...PW for the win very impressive
You can keep your traction control and IFS.
No substitute for solid axles and lockers and a transfer case with a lever.....no push button, electronic nonsense!.
I'm an old guy.....what can I say.
Tremor held it's own but the POWER WAGON RULES!!! The poor guy in the Tundra needs a lift and air lockers.
It’s not all about the truck I would say 80% is the driver and if he knows how to drive that truck or not because that Ford would chew them right up no problem lol just joking you all did a awesome job I would say 🔥👍
Power Wagon all day long. The rest are little girls trying play with the big boys.
The ford did fine, but only one truck out of the bunch built for this type of terrain. The board is longer than a well rope can't believe they took it in there
Lol guys let's get 21 year old design and make it go against our most recent trucks
Ford for my money anyday
LSD system is doing good with ram & ford but it is ok with tundra.
Huh??
What pressure are you running on the power wagon? Those are 37”s?
Yes 37x12.5r17 KO2 running 28psi front 24psi rear
@@4x4OffRoadChannel perfect thanks for the info. I’m taking my truck into some rocky conditions this weekend and want to air down a bit. You haven’t had any problems with it popping the bead off?
@@4x4OffRoadChannel this will be my first time off-roading with the 37” tires .
But damn it that tundra looks good!
Looks good spinning tires?? LOL. The Ford and Dodge ate it up..lol
@@rediron44 facts. I just like tundras lol
Toyota needs to put at least a rear locker on the Tundra. I mean the Tacomas got the treatment.
Do the Tundras have locking from diffs?
There are no locking differentials on the Tundra. 2022 Toyota Tundra will have a locking rear differential on some models.
toyota: "should we put a LSD or a locker in the tundra?... nah just make the radiator fans louder"
11" Yeah that's what she said!
Looks like Chevy tow mirrors on that black tundra. The one in the beginning of the video
The center means a true transfer case
Huh??
Ford and Dodge 👍 it's a simple
Power wagon is my choice. I own a Jeep Rubicon and let me tell you the power wagon for being a full size truck can keep up on almost any off road situation. The ford did awesome as well. The Tundra, if they would of used the TRD PRO edition, would come with a rear locker and Really good traction assist system, and would of done way better.
That Gen Tundra does not have a rear locker even in TRD Pro trim. The Taco does though.
@@jabroni6199 you are correct. Which makes the Tundra even less attractive as an off road truck.
@@jo23sue23 for the ten people who actually take a full size truck off road. That’s what they make four runners and Jeeps for.
@@fritty9927 having a full size pickup that can do what a Tacoma or Jeep can do is a big advantage. More towing power and more room. Not mention more power and torque
@@jo23sue23 agreed but physics prevents them from being as capable off road. To wide to long to heavy
Yes a dodge with the mirrors " in"
It’s not a dodge but only a Ram.
People have them out becauze they freaking suck when they're in. My company truck is a 2500 Ram and I freaking hate the mirrors with a passion. When theyre down or "in" you have a big blind spot and can easily cut someone off or side swipe someone because you think its clear to change lanes when it isnt clear. Those mirrors alone are the reason ill never buy a Ram. Drivers flip them up because they cant see crap when they're down. You habe a square on the inside and a convex on yhe outside in the down position and its awkward as hell and yoj cant just glance real quick because you're eyes need am extra second to focus on the right mirror.
Ram all day every day, Ram is superior off road
The thing I saw says full size trucks don’t make good off road trail vehicles!😄😄😄
So 3 different drivers 🙄 have the same driver for all of them
That one Tundra had at least $13k put into a great suspension, bumper+winch, snorkle+intake, but didn't have a rear locker? O.o
Right, weak sauce
Well the yotas left me speechless, and not in a good way. Tremor and PW are really impressive. If this was a sales video of what each could do off-road then the toyotas would be bottom of the list.
I wonder if those tundras had locking diffs. Power wagon has front and rear plus sway bar disconnect so it is obviously the clear winner. Tremor I would assume has a rear locker.
The Tundra doesn't have front and rear lockers like the other two. So it's naturally going to struggle with traction.
Considering it's lack of locking diffs I think it held up fair to the competition.
The 22 has rear locker. The 21 has no lockers.
We know from factory the 21 and earlier do not, I was not sure if they had aftermarket lockers. Guess not
Dodge did really good! That’s hard for me to say. HaHa!
What was wrong with ATRAC at 9:52?
I got a gx460 and my buddy has a tundra. I noticed his atrac kicks in waaaay later then mine. Not sure why, though.
Guys. no offense. the cars are cool. I drove the Tundra myself. and what you showed. it was a kindergarten. I personally have a 1992 Pajero. 4 doors. and I performed better on it. but again. you have one problem. you need to change the gasket. the one between the steering wheel and the seat.
i wasn't expecting the toyota to be a sandbag..
Because you believe most of the Toyota hype. Nothing beats a locking end.
Bad driver
@@youarerightboss the other trucks are more capable. Period.
@@Tiovergudo, Toyota, most reliable and simply the BEST, period.
@@youarerightboss not really. They are not perfect.They just have a great PR team.
Dont really matter how good that Dodge is off road. Reliability is a joke once you start getting any really mileage on them. Hahahaha ill take the Tundra
Not true Tundras have their issues also. People are more likely to abuse the RAM, most Tundras are grocery getters.
@@Steve-yr5vi please list the issues you speak of.
@@Steve-yr5vi electrical issues such as the famous TIPM faulure. Cam and lifter failures, exhaust manifolds cracking, transmissions suddenly going into gear when parked are just a few. Yeah, all trucks have their issues but Fiat didnt do Chrysler any favors. Resale value on Rams less also.
@@Steve-yr5vi and the fact is that most pickups and suvs sold today are living the life of a pavement Princess. But in all seriousness, do a search for off road Tundras and Sequoias. You would be surprised what ya find.
@@Steve-yr5vi consumer reports ranks dodge as dead last in reliability and Lexus/Toyota one and two. Enough said.
Toyota for quality, craftsmanship, reliability, durability, dependability, performance, highest resale value, looks and longevity.
Power Wagon destroyed both Ford and Toyota 😂
Ford did better and can tow more than a moped
lockers are much better than high-tech technology that the tundra has just doesn't work as good
What a waist of $$ on that Toyota 🤦♂️
*waste
That tundra is a lot cheaper than a power wagon or tremor. It’s a different truck. For a normal driver who doesn’t drive through creeks, the tundra is fine. It’s all about needs and what ya can afford.
What type and size tires on the Tundra?
Only 35 compared to PW 37's
RAM is clearly the winner here. But it was designed to do that. Ford did well too, but not as good. Toyota(s) having problems every part of that trail. LOL.
Ram!!!!
I'll stick with my Duramax after this video. The Toy sure won't handle the terrain or my 43' Fifth Wheel.
Seems relevant