This was a very effective communication ,I think often times we have forgotten or rather not put into consideration the feelings of boy child .This kind of talks enlighten the society to find it right for men to be Vulnerable and express your feelings as well.
The society has not only affected how men are perceived but also affected how the very men perceive themselves. As mentioned by the speakers here, most men always feel like they have to be protectors, bread winners and of course should never cry. Just thinking out loud, how about we start treating eachother as humans and not putting ourselves in boxes of men and women. I think that will make everybody happy
What does it mean to be a man in the 21st centuary? Are millenial men different from post millenial men? To answer these questions we just have to ask ourselves even more questions. How much of our masculinity is defined by biology ? How much is influenced by the society we live in? We don't know how to change the world but having conversations like these will spark the brains that's going to change the world.
This was so refreshing to hear the guys perspective 1.Loved that one of the panelist highlighted the fact that we normally use western ideas and use them as blanket concepts that don’t really fit within our specific (especially African) contexts 2.Men really go through so many pressures from such a young age and this could be the causes of the high rates of suicide as they mentioned…loved hearing their experiences and hope we could have more conversations like these and platforms for men to have forms of therapy to be able to open up 3.Great job on the concept of feminism and especially on challenging the male perspective on equality only on certain aspects but the discomfort in certain areas such as polygamy
Want some reactions? First, society does not FORCE anything on people because those people ARE society. Everyone spoke as if society were some outside force. Second, the romanitcisation of “traditional” society and ways of dealing with problems. So much of what was discussed still exists in most of Zimbabwe: If there’s a family problem, people go to the babkadzhi, or to the head man. The community gathers in dares to discuss collective problems. And this is what I have seen happening: A man beats his wife and everyone blames HER. A father wants to marry off his 14 year old girl and everyone says, fine. A girl is raped and everyone agrees to hide to issue to save the man’s family from shame. So I don’t buy the wonderful world of traditional society. Third, the thing about feminism and borrowing ideas from the West. Yes, African women have the freedom to work - but not to make equal wages. They have the freedom to vote. Yes. But do they have freedom from rape (in Zim, the official figures are that 30 percent of women have their first sexual experience as the results of rape), physical abuse from their husbands and mothers-in-law, on and on. My female students in Zimbabwe were free of NONE of these nightmares. And I don’t know about Africa, but in the US, it is true that men succeed in committing suicide more frequently than women but that’s only because women, who are more likely than men to TRY to commit suicide, are not as “competent” in doing so.
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I like the conversation, I got a point and I wish one day I'll make it🙏
And thank for coming up with this idea brother Ubba
This was a very effective communication ,I think often times we have forgotten or rather not put into consideration the feelings of boy child .This kind of talks enlighten the society to find it right for men to be Vulnerable and express your feelings as well.
**Their feelings
It is very nice to see very smart and handsome young men discuss important issues. Are they all single? Cute smart young men. Can I get one?
The society has not only affected how men are perceived but also affected how the very men perceive themselves. As mentioned by the speakers here, most men always feel like they have to be protectors, bread winners and of course should never cry. Just thinking out loud, how about we start treating eachother as humans and not putting ourselves in boxes of men and women. I think that will make everybody happy
A genderless society or a society without strict gender norms?
Just no gender norms. Of course we can’t ignore the fact that we have genders
What does it mean to be a man in the 21st centuary? Are millenial men different from post millenial men?
To answer these questions we just have to ask ourselves even more questions.
How much of our masculinity is defined by biology ?
How much is influenced by the society we live in?
We don't know how to change the world but having conversations like these will spark the brains that's going to change the world.
How do you define your masculinity?
This was so refreshing to hear the guys perspective
1.Loved that one of the panelist highlighted the fact that we normally use western ideas and use them as blanket concepts that don’t really fit within our specific (especially African) contexts
2.Men really go through so many pressures from such a young age and this could be the causes of the high rates of suicide as they mentioned…loved hearing their experiences and hope we could have more conversations like these and platforms for men to have forms of therapy to be able to open up
3.Great job on the concept of feminism and especially on challenging the male perspective on equality only on certain aspects but the discomfort in certain areas such as polygamy
Thank you, Olivia. I think it was a worthy and needed conversation. There was a lot to be covered that we will take after next time.
Want some reactions?
First, society does not FORCE anything on people because those people ARE society. Everyone spoke as if society were some outside force.
Second, the romanitcisation of “traditional” society and ways of dealing with problems. So much of what was discussed still exists in most of Zimbabwe: If there’s a family problem, people go to the babkadzhi, or to the head man. The community gathers in dares to discuss collective problems. And this is what I have seen happening: A man beats his wife and everyone blames HER. A father wants to marry off his 14 year old girl and everyone says, fine. A girl is raped and everyone agrees to hide to issue to save the man’s family from shame. So I don’t buy the wonderful world of traditional society.
Third, the thing about feminism and borrowing ideas from the West. Yes, African women have the freedom to work - but not to make equal wages. They have the freedom to vote. Yes. But do they have freedom from rape (in Zim, the official figures are that 30 percent of women have their first sexual experience as the results of rape), physical abuse from their husbands and mothers-in-law, on and on. My female students in Zimbabwe were free of NONE of these nightmares.
And I don’t know about Africa, but in the US, it is true that men succeed in committing suicide more frequently than women but that’s only because women, who are more likely than men to TRY to commit suicide, are not as “competent” in doing so.