Blown away. My takeaway: 1. Exposure to the truth. 2. There is no journey. 3. Seriousness, genuineness, and sincerity can be an organ of its own. My Experience: I have been following Naval & Kapil for a long time and trying to build an understanding to 'understand problems'. After reading Atmamun, I spent the time to solve one of my problem - Anger. I would be peaceful, then suddenly if something happens which was not in accordance with my belief or understanding - that would tickle me to get Angry. It went away after I understood the cause - after spending numerous years fighting it.
@@Joujou246 My ego - that what I believe and understand is the way and others (in discussion) should understand it. Realization: It might be that my understanding is right (or true ) but it should not concern me if someone doesn't agree with it or acknowledge it. It's okay if people don't agree with you - they may eventually if the context is built. Or acknowledge the possibility that you may be wrong. The idea is that one should not concern himself/herself with agreeing or disagreeing. Now, the current state is - the job is to seek truth with sincerity and discuss it with sincerity - how others take it - is none of my concern.
Naval, we appreciate you opening up, being vulnerable. This is not a comment for you to like but a token of our appreciation. What you learn, we also learn. Thank you.
When societal wisdom says "it's the journey not the destination", it probably doesn't mean destination is not important. It's "don't chase a destination where the journey itself drives you crazy". The destination and the journey both should make sense to you
"Prescriptions". Listening to Kapil and Naval allowed me to shed a new light on a quote from Krishnamurti. The gist of it is to find answers for yourself. Stop looking for external sources to explain you how you should behave. Here's the quote from Krishnamurti (November 5, 1966) : "You must understand it, go into it, examine it, give your heart and your mind, with everything that you have, to find out a way of living differently. That depends on you, and not on someone else. Because in this : _ There is no teacher, no pupil, there is no leader, there is no Guru, no Master, no Saviour; _ You yourself are the teacher and the pupil, you are the guru, you are the master, you are the leader. You are everything. And to understand is to transform what is."
And how many people are able to figure simple things, let alone universal truth, It requires a super genius mind like the Buddha to show the way to the truth and to guide people to discover truth for themselves they cannot be multiple truths one truth for you one truth for someone else just like 2+2 is equal to four though it’s ancient it’s stilll true for all time .One cannot say to a person A you discover your own mathematical truth of 2+2 , and to person B you sir discover your own etc.
@@shahezadvirani Krisnamurti is confused sorry to say . If there is a vehicle I can use to get from a to b , then I will use that. If I had unlimited amount of time and resources I would make my own vehicle and reach b, but I don’t have that luxury and may I say the vast majority.I rather use the Buddhist vehicle to get from a to b. the majority of humans are not intelligent enough to figure out and be a teacher and a guru of themselves they cannot even get out their addictions, petty little problems in the first place.
@@vsubhuti I feel that everyone provides similar messaging and it’s just a different language being used. I have listened to a whole lot of content and for a similar concept, sometimes I am enlightened with language used by Buddha, and for others it could be krisnamurti and for something else it could be Alan watts. Personally, an integral approach is what works for me. But I totally understand your point.
It's fabulous to see Naval as the student, to see how he understands and reflects with information he himself is grappling with. We rarely see the people we learn from, learning. I'm grateful to have had the opportunity to witness that and learn from it.
I really thought the podcast was satisfactory after Kapil finished speaking for the very first time, even he said too much. All I really needed was like... "cut out the middle man." Then I listen to Naval try use Kapil as his middle man for the entire rest of the podcast. Idk what to think about that exactly, lol.
"If we do not discuss the truth what is the point of this conversation !" Truest thing said in a while. Conversation should be about finding and discussing the truth (only)
Mind f#cking blown, no one broke my mental models before, after listening to Kapil, my mental model is shattered. I always felt like solutions are like the gift box which has smaller gift boxes and I never get to see the actual gift. It was like peeling the onion to find the onion itself. Now the whole gift box is lost and all I am left with is the 'present'. Thank you for this.❤️
Honestly I can’t understand all of the concepts discussed. But the fact that I’m aware and continue to re listen for the wisdom is definitely a win in my book!
I cried listening to this. I am very aware of when I feel like I’m learning the deepest, I’m emotional. & like every other young person, I have traumas that I have suppressed and that pop up every now & again (childhood abuse, bad confidence, absent parent, extensive drug use, etc) & I just wanted to share myself authentically like you both have done. This is more so for myself but for anyone reading this, I’m so happy to have found this now. & really am doing my best to become the best version of myself daily. This was much needed. Very refreshing & enjoy the high level conversation. Cheers
@@NuanceOverDogma almost by definition he's not like religious people cause he's not filled with dogma. If anything the purpose of his podcasts is to question everything and reach a deeper understanding
Really enjoyed this interview Naval. One thing that really resonated: "Society is a set of collective lies that we all believe so we can get along. It allows us to establish a lower common denominator consensus so we don't all kill each other and we can cooperate. These shared fictions that we have to maintain for society to function are fine. But there's a cost to that, and the cost is borne by the individual."
The greatest lie we have to tell ourselves is that we understand the other person because otherwise we can't even begin to interact with them. But that is a lie because you can never Truely understand a person not someone else not yourself instead you have to approximate them down to something workable, but there is always many things left out in that model. We have to lie to even begin to play the game because we cannot comprehend the full scope of the game
@@catdogfishdogcats Completely agree with your comment, but I'd frame it as a "lie" (not just a lie) or better yet, an illusion. No one lies to themselves on purpose, consciously. We interact with each other thinking we understand another person, because we believe it to be true. And once you realize it's impossible to fully understand the other person, we interact with others keeping that in mind. I like to make this distinction, because lie implies both awareness of the truth and often ill intent. As for OP - it's absolutely true as well. Societal rules and customs are (almost) the lowest common denominator (we still have some standards that we expect people to uphold, but it seems that in a name of equality and fairness, which are noble reasons, those standards are being lowered all the time), but they need to be that way in order to keep society functioning and not descent into chaos. At the same time, it's those who break those rules, that change the world and create the path for progress. The problem of course is twofold, and second stems from the first: 1. Not everyone who breaks from norms creates a positive change, a lot of it is neutral, but some are bad and dangerous 2. Because of 1., society will always try to push the outlier back into the "norm". Unfortunately this is the only reasonable approach, otherwise we would risk destroying everything humans created so far (not to mention (im)possibility of changing general population's approach). Maybe in the future, with the advancement of technology, medicine, etc. we will he able to create more temporary chaos, because it will be possible to quickly revert its negative consequences. Not at this though.
Yes I agree that this is the advanced class. Before pursuing the desires of freedom or pleasure, one needs to achieve security. I’ve recently done that, but now my wife won’t let me pursue the other two, haha.
If you live in America you are rich already. Food. Water. Shelter. Energy grid. Transportation. Governance. Economic power. Get people where they want to be and you’ll become rich.
@The Deathless Sorry I don’t know how to be brief with this. I became financially secure pretty much the slow hard way, with 20+ years of the corporate auto industry slog through marketing, sales, and GM roles. I was always a decent saver, perhaps because my parents were not. I worked hard at work and tried to make my bosses look good and perform well. I balanced being aggressive with maintaining good relationships across all levels. I hated assholes and tried hard not to be one. I became increasingly more confident as I gained knowledge and experience. When nothing was moving career-wise, I always planted seeds about what I wanted to do in the future. I became known as someone creative who could also lead and execute. I never liked subordinating myself to others, but I sucked it up and did it anyways because that’s how corporate works. It was always relationships that helped me progress. Mostly bosses and former bosses. My breakout was being selected to be founder and CEO of foreign subsidiary - and life became much more challenging but infinitely more satisfying. I was really alive then. My ego grew and I left corporate to my own company back in US. Survived as entrepreneur through the financial crisis. Sold company for a nominal gain, and jumped to technology company serving my industry. Took a step backwards with a marketing role to gain entry then in two years became head of marketing for B2B SaaS company. In 5 years company grew 4x to $1B in revenue. My grants and options were all accelerated as a result of $4B acquisition, and I suddenly became more comfortable. I worked a few more years years, and now I retired in my late 50s and am general contracting the build of my retirement house. My wife still works so we have insurance and enough income to live on without out dipping into savings or investments. I believe in diversified investing including some hard assets and even a little crypto. Markets have been great, but high valuations and inflation both worry me. So my advice to anyone finding their path to success is to fully prepare first to gain entry to a career, always nurture the fire within (ambition) and then be patient to wait for doors to open that you must walk through. If you make mistakes, so what, everyone does. Just keep trudging forward and do your best to live up to your potential.
Had naval really understood what Kapil said , the title of this video would be anything but “conquering the mind” , from what I see it’s more about “allowing the mind” or “witnessing the mind” or “beyond mind” , as Kapil clearly says just being aware of the habit pattern is enough unto itself , just awareness is enough , anything more than it is the ego’s play. “Conquering” is something an ego would do , an inspiration or soul would simply just be.
I'm so pleased Naval was the one hosting this podcast. He brought it back to a place that is actually helpful. If I listened to the other dude alone I think he'd just make people give up haha. There's a place for everything, inspiration, motivation, coaching, teaching, mentoring, nutrition, survival, exercise, meditation. You name it. It all has a place. If you live in non duality you become someone who doesn't do anything.
I find Naval so uniquely relevant that it’s hard to wrap my brain around it. I’m not incredibly “intelligent”, but his communication style resonates with me in a way I’ve never experienced. I find that I want to go so much deeper in understand every single point of every single thing that he says. I’m so grateful for this podcast.
Thanks Naval. Introducing me to Kapil has done wonders for my journey. He might not be for everyone but his bluntness and sincerity helped me stop looking for prescriptions and ask myself why I'm not already taking action.
I have been listening to this particular episode now for the 5th time and every iteration I am able to connect to the contexts of what Naval and Kapil are speaking better with myself and relate to it on a deeper level. This one is GOLD!
Wow!! I'm simply blown away by the amount of knowledge you guys dropped on us on this one. While halfway through the video, I kept checking my phone to see how many minutes were remaining hoping this conversation wouldn't end 👏👏👏
The conversation, the dialogues are so smooth and seamless that it almost feels like it's scripted. I am fascinated by, how articulate you guys are, and how well your speaking compliments each other.
Fantastic episode. What Naval said about wanting to teach the world once you’ve figured something out, rings true to me. Kapil’s response to it as ‘why does it matter’? made me feel so much at ease.
I usually listen to podcasts when I'm doing something else like bathing or walking.. but this thing requires my full attention.. I hope I'll understand these things if I listen to it a few times..
Read Mr.Gupta’s book the direct truth - most impactful content for me is solving comes from understanding. Once I understood the true root of my anxiety, I didn’t have to treat it. It’s like lifting a veil off a hooded attacker who’s entire threat stems from his anonymity. I can’t win the game unless I know the rules, but once I uncover them - I’m free from playing
I don’t feel as though Kapil is free though, he’s obsessed and a direct slave to the pursuit of truth. He says this in one of his podcasts, he says it’s not a choice for him, in fact it’s the only way. He’s not at ease, he fears that there may be something he’s not seeing and therefore is wasting his life. One of the more eccentric gurus, I do like and agree with a lot of his insights but ultimately I kind of disagree with the overall philosophy of the “sincere” or “serious” is the only one not wasting his/her life. I don’t think that’s a prerequisite for an non wasted life, it’s just too objective of a stance but that’s his opinion that should be for himself only I think, not the truth for everyone.
Big difference in understanding something intellectually, and understanding it in your heart. I can understand something intellectually and rationalize it all day long but it causes a big resistance because my heart doesn’t feel it. This is my battle and god damn is it hard. If I could get my heart to understand I’d be enlightened, there would be no more conflict.
@Suffering Succotash but don't you think, rationalising and understanding from the brain is the first step towards enlightenment. Like I feel first you try to understand the root cause of the problem, and then you figure out over time how you can overcome in a way that's accepted (both to your heart and brain). Also can you give an example of what you mean by understanding from heart and brain
Brilliant talk. Thank you for sharing. This talk has many layers; the notable one for me being the constant need for self improvement. I think back on when I first heard Alan Watts say: "...if you are really aware of your own inner workings, you will realize there’s nothing you can do to improve yourself. Because you don’t know what better is, in any case, and you, who will do the improving, are the one who needs to be improved."
An interesting podcast which didn’t simply offer freedom/enlightenment on a plate but instead offered a path for those who seek it. Naval was commendably frank with his comments and alluded to an issue which many of us feel at some point: namely, the desire for appreciation but with little of the judgement or criticism. (For example, his desire to teach when he gets to a certain knowledge point, or the way that criticism stings relative to praise on social media, etc.) Kapil’s advice was to essentially: (i) lean into, and not away, from the problem; (ii) pose a better question to the problem (e.g. does it stem from childhood?); (iii) most importantly, just let the trait be and don’t fight it, for that will just trap you again! A powerful addition to the mental toolkit. Thanks again for the podcast and hopefully there will be more in the future.
follow Naval, but not Kapil. Naval = legit Kapil = Scam. Kapil: "Any suppression is regression" Reality: Not the truth. if you suppress yourself of processed sugar for 1 year & only allow sugar from fruits & vegetables. You will see countless benefits to your mind & body. Suppression of processed sugar Is NOT regression it's progression.
@@excaliburgaming4122 It means the source of conflict resolution is within yourself (i.e.: don't try to change others - reframe the "problem" in your mind so that it is no longer a problem - that is the source of peace.
I was soo angry because of these recurring ads in the middle of the podcast, untill I realised that it actually helped me pause the video , go back 20 seconds from the time the ad came, hear again what was being said and it let me to absorb more of this content. Thanks for this podcast, really helping me.
Naval, we appreciate you opening up, being vulnerable. This is not a comment for you to like but a token of our appreciation. What you learn, we also learn. Thank you.
Ironically I found this by searching for a prescription! At the start of this video I had no idea who Naval or Kapil were, I’m so glad I found this. It was a little uncomfortable at first still is though less so. I felt like I was being exposed. I related to a lot of things that were brought up. Thank you both in aiding me in understanding my own behaviour and attitude.
The truth and clarity of this conversation is what I have been looking for. The clarity of both your minds is amazing and how you articulate and peel such a difficult topic is beautiful and amazing. Thank you for this! There is really no prescription for anything. This conversation is a clear inspiration. I cannot articulate what changed for me but there is strong resonance and I hope it doesn't fade away.
The destination is freedom... freedom from the mind and it all comes from understanding each problem and where it came from. Self-knowledge is the key to opening the interior heavenly kingdom of peace. (I probably got that all wrong because I’m programmed by certain words and prescriptions 😅 - but Naval I feel so much like you when I’m scrambling through comments on every post and can’t let the one negative comment go) Appreciate all you do. Thank you.
My first attempt at running a business failed and that made me hesitate to dive in to my next attempt, instead I looked for prescriptions/how tos. Great video by Naval as always 👏🏿
“Any suppression is regression...” “Impetus has to be where do you want to gobecause the answer to that question will create the path... freedom (from the mind) comes from the understanding of where things come from, not the conscious attempt to end them” “Where there is sincerity and where there is seriousness that is it’s own instrument of examination” Kaplin
Hi Naval, I just wanted to let you know that you have my sincerest thanks for sharing this amazing talk with us all. I don't want to sound overexaggerated but this discussion changed something fundamental within me.
Beautiful, thank you both. I get a very strange feeling when I listen to Kapil. He says things that I feel like I have always known, but have never been able to articulate. I obviously have not known them, as it is the first time I am hearing them. But to hear them presented in such a way feels like a massive weight off my shoulders. I am curious as to why/where from these feelings arise.
I think it's actually similiar to religion, which is interesting becuase I myself am an agnostic, but it really does seem like understanding these concepts brings us closer to nirvana of a seamless society.
Thank you for introducing me to this man - I really like his style. His articulate use of English to talk about the trap of prescriptions reminds me a bit of Alan Watts, but he has a much more direct and cutting way of talking. It’s Like a splash of cold water on your face
My favorite takeaways: "No human being actually wants to be told what to do. There’s something within a human being which rejects the idea of being told what to do. Quite frankly, even when you do give prescriptions, most don’t follow it." "But if you go into a very practical thing, like making money, nobody says, “I’m going to work forever.” No, they’re like, “I want to make a pile of money.” Right? If I’m starting a company: “I want the company to be successful, I want the company to go public, or to get acquired, or generate so much cash flow that while I’m still alive, I can spend that cash.” In the money-making context, we’re extremely practical. We want to make that money while we’re still young enough and alive enough to spend it. But in the internal context, we get all spiritual and start talking about, “Maybe the next life, maybe in heaven or in hell, or my reincarnated life, or I’m just going to keep doing my self work, my self improvement until the day I die” and it’s considered acceptable to never arrive at a destination."
1. When pursuit greatness, prescription is useless, it can be starter but at some point you have to create your own path 2. Solution of problem is deeply embedded in it, knowing the source of problem is way to reduce it, rather than supress it by other way 3. Peace in life comes from rid of mind
understanding, freedom, sincerity , exposure, journey, destiny, .... if some one can understand the whole conversation, they r already beyond the gates of enlightenment
Amazing. Two of the deepest thinkers from the twitter conversing about truth and freedom Shedding more light. The concepts were very well elaborated. I thought there would be more when he mentioned sincerity and seriousness. I think there is a part II of this podcast as it did feel like it ended abruptly. Thank you. Continue spreading your understanding. It is actually helping us in experience freedom if not arriving at it.
It’s a easy concept to understand. That all problems come from the mind. But very in powering to implement in my everyday life. Thank you Kapil and Naval
Naval, thanks so much for sharing. We are all each others teachers, so we should all be open to learning from each other. Thank you again and good luck further.
The very point it ends is the deepest most sincere message of the podcast. And they both kept this session so short. Naval in my known universe is the best person to interview Kapil ( if you know both of them ). My sincere thanks - My mind game.
Great stuff. You guys could have expanded for a couple hours on this, but the fact that this was kept "brief" is a statement on the depth attained. Thank you.
"Sincerity" and "seriousness" here really echo with “至诚”(one's utmost sincereity)，Wang Yangming's philosophy in ancient China. The original quote of Wang is "唯天下之至诚，为能尽其性” (Only by one's utmost sincerity, one may give full play to one's nature/potential.)
Yours is the only content/podcast where I don't ponder upon the things that I heard. I just stop RUclips and go to the next thing that I have to do. Which even my mind can't do.
Throughout the whole discussion, the struggle for meaning is fairly obvious. Although the word wasn't explicitly mentioned even once. This is the dilemma of being 'stuck' at the level of the mind. One is always identified with the very thing from which one seeks an escape. The idea of faith is germinal to quelling anxieties that arise from disillusionment. It's hard to surmise such a broad topic so here's a book recommendation instead: The Book on the taboo against knowing who you are by Alan Watts. Much love Naval for your earnestness in seeking the Truth.❤️
Thank you for this. I face the same issue where I see my mind telling people about the things I'm doing or learning or making while I'm doing them, the desire to teach has dwindled since I realise there is an ocean I don't know of, but this interruption by the mind during that process is something you talked about as well. Thankyou for making this available. Your conversations with kapil make them accessible and maybe easier to understand.
This is something I have noticed about myself too and it was a treat to know Naval goes through the same thing. And then we wonder how we end up following him. Maybe we are somewhat like him and hence ended up listening to him.
Couldn’t agree more, its only because what he’s talking about is a personal experience. Each time I listen to his anecdotes and I find instances from my life which are similar.
This is a BOMB 💣 After a longtime I found something that I have to go back again to listen what was said to really understand what it means , it's 40 min video and I'm only 25 mins in but missed few things so I went back and now I'm listen very carefully every line these guys are saying , and it's blowing my mind 🔥.
Naval and his exploration is a real deal. My life changed the moment I discovered his - how to get rich without getting lucky compiled podcast. Thank you Naval.
“Any freedom that makes you crave for more freedom isn’t freedom” Oh my goodness, kapil this is soo amazing! I always thought Naval was the bigger shark when it comes to tech, enlightenment and wisdom and boom then I listen to this. Amazing podcast!
This conversation feels like Naval talking to his conscious
😂😂 So true
Reminds me of the main character in Venom
This is an interesting way to have a "conversation".. it wasn't so much questioner and answered.
Kapil gives only truth. Amazing what it can do.
I speak like this often people around me. That can't Understand think I am going Nuts 😂
Blown away.
My takeaway:
1. Exposure to the truth.
2. There is no journey.
3. Seriousness, genuineness, and sincerity can be an organ of its own.
My Experience:
I have been following Naval & Kapil for a long time and trying to build an understanding to 'understand problems'.
After reading Atmamun, I spent the time to solve one of my problem - Anger. I would be peaceful, then suddenly if something happens which was not in accordance with my belief or understanding - that would tickle me to get Angry. It went away after I understood the cause - after spending numerous years fighting it.
Danish Mohd what was the cause?
@@Joujou246 My ego - that what I believe and understand is the way and others (in discussion) should understand it.
Realization: It might be that my understanding is right (or true ) but it should not concern me if someone doesn't agree with it or acknowledge it. It's okay if people don't agree with you - they may eventually if the context is built. Or acknowledge the possibility that you may be wrong.
The idea is that one should not concern himself/herself with agreeing or disagreeing. Now, the current state is - the job is to seek truth with sincerity and discuss it with sincerity - how others take it - is none of my concern.
Naval, we appreciate you opening up, being vulnerable. This is not a comment for you to like but a token of our appreciation.
What you learn, we also learn.
Thank you.
When societal wisdom says "it's the journey not the destination", it probably doesn't mean destination is not important. It's "don't chase a destination where the journey itself drives you crazy". The destination and the journey both should make sense to you
This is plain prescription brother 😅🤣
"Prescriptions". Listening to Kapil and Naval allowed me to shed a new light on a quote from Krishnamurti. The gist of it is to find answers for yourself. Stop looking for external sources to explain you how you should behave.
Here's the quote from Krishnamurti (November 5, 1966) :
"You must understand it, go into it, examine it, give your heart and your mind, with everything that you have, to find out a way of living differently. That depends on you, and not on someone else.
Because in this :
_ There is no teacher, no pupil, there is no leader, there is no Guru, no Master, no Saviour;
_ You yourself are the teacher and the pupil, you are the guru, you are the master, you are the leader.
You are everything.
And to understand is to transform what is."
This entire talk kept reminding me of Krishnamurti as well.
And how many people are able to figure simple things, let alone universal truth, It requires a super genius mind like the Buddha to show the way to the truth and to guide people to discover truth for themselves they cannot be multiple truths one truth for you one truth for someone else just like 2+2 is equal to four though it’s ancient it’s stilll true for all time .One cannot say to a person A you discover your own mathematical truth of 2+2 , and to person B you sir discover your own etc.
@@shahezadvirani Krisnamurti is confused sorry to say . If there is a vehicle I can use to get from a to b , then I will use that. If I had unlimited amount of time and resources I would make my own vehicle and reach b, but I don’t have that luxury and may I say the vast majority.I rather use the Buddhist vehicle to get from a to b. the majority of humans are not intelligent enough to figure out and be a teacher and a guru of themselves they cannot even get out their addictions, petty little problems in the first place.
@@vsubhuti I feel that everyone provides similar messaging and it’s just a different language being used. I have listened to a whole lot of content and for a similar concept, sometimes I am enlightened with language used by Buddha, and for others it could be krisnamurti and for something else it could be Alan watts.
Personally, an integral approach is what works for me. But I totally understand your point.
Man looking for prescriptions spotted in@@vsubhuti:)
It's fabulous to see Naval as the student, to see how he understands and reflects with information he himself is grappling with. We rarely see the people we learn from, learning. I'm grateful to have had the opportunity to witness that and learn from it.
I really thought the podcast was satisfactory after Kapil finished speaking for the very first time, even he said too much. All I really needed was like... "cut out the middle man." Then I listen to Naval try use Kapil as his middle man for the entire rest of the podcast. Idk what to think about that exactly, lol.
"All conflict is self-conflict...the circumstance does not produce pain: it reveals it."
"If we do not discuss the truth what is the point of this conversation !"
Truest thing said in a while. Conversation should be about finding and discussing the truth (only)
N P this is not a prescription... up ur game brother
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Mind f#cking blown, no one broke my mental models before, after listening to Kapil, my mental model is shattered. I always felt like solutions are like the gift box which has smaller gift boxes and I never get to see the actual gift. It was like peeling the onion to find the onion itself. Now the whole gift box is lost and all I am left with is the 'present'.
Thank you for this.❤️
Honestly I can’t understand all of the concepts discussed. But the fact that I’m aware and continue to re listen for the wisdom is definitely a win in my book!
I cried listening to this. I am very aware of when I feel like I’m learning the deepest, I’m emotional. & like every other young person, I have traumas that I have suppressed and that pop up every now & again (childhood abuse, bad confidence, absent parent, extensive drug use, etc) & I just wanted to share myself authentically like you both have done. This is more so for myself but for anyone reading this, I’m so happy to have found this now. & really am doing my best to become the best version of myself daily. This was much needed. Very refreshing & enjoy the high level conversation. Cheers
Cheers
All the best !!
You literally a bull and you shed tears. Shame on you, you weak stoic!
same
Exactly what Jiddu Krishnamurti said! The problem is not separate from the solution. Examining the problem is the solution.
Naval is the epicenter of lucency. I reset my brain after listening to his podcasts.
True sir ❤
same here
Lol, he’s full of himself and no different than most religious people
@@NuanceOverDogma almost by definition he's not like religious people cause he's not filled with dogma. If anything the purpose of his podcasts is to question everything and reach a deeper understanding
Beautiful description.
Really enjoyed this interview Naval. One thing that really resonated: "Society is a set of collective lies that we all believe so we can get along. It allows us to establish a lower common denominator consensus so we don't all kill each other and we can cooperate. These shared fictions that we have to maintain for society to function are fine. But there's a cost to that, and the cost is borne by the individual."
Where greatness comes from is non-linear, unpredictable... so good.
The greatest lie we have to tell ourselves is that we understand the other person because otherwise we can't even begin to interact with them. But that is a lie because you can never Truely understand a person not someone else not yourself instead you have to approximate them down to something workable, but there is always many things left out in that model. We have to lie to even begin to play the game because we cannot comprehend the full scope of the game
@@catdogfishdogcats Completely agree with your comment, but I'd frame it as a "lie" (not just a lie) or better yet, an illusion. No one lies to themselves on purpose, consciously. We interact with each other thinking we understand another person, because we believe it to be true. And once you realize it's impossible to fully understand the other person, we interact with others keeping that in mind. I like to make this distinction, because lie implies both awareness of the truth and often ill intent.
As for OP - it's absolutely true as well. Societal rules and customs are (almost) the lowest common denominator (we still have some standards that we expect people to uphold, but it seems that in a name of equality and fairness, which are noble reasons, those standards are being lowered all the time), but they need to be that way in order to keep society functioning and not descent into chaos. At the same time, it's those who break those rules, that change the world and create the path for progress.
The problem of course is twofold, and second stems from the first:
1. Not everyone who breaks from norms creates a positive change, a lot of it is neutral, but some are bad and dangerous
2. Because of 1., society will always try to push the outlier back into the "norm".
Unfortunately this is the only reasonable approach, otherwise we would risk destroying everything humans created so far (not to mention (im)possibility of changing general population's approach). Maybe in the future, with the advancement of technology, medicine, etc. we will he able to create more temporary chaos, because it will be possible to quickly revert its negative consequences. Not at this though.
Read sepians by Yuval Noah Harari. It has detailed discussion about it.
@@harshpatel105 I have - great book
man we wasn't ready for this one yet....im still trying to get rich first lol
Yes I agree that this is the advanced class. Before pursuing the desires of freedom or pleasure, one needs to achieve security. I’ve recently done that, but now my wife won’t let me pursue the other two, haha.
If you live in America you are rich already. Food. Water. Shelter. Energy grid. Transportation. Governance. Economic power. Get people where they want to be and you’ll become rich.
hahahaha.
@The Deathless Sorry I don’t know how to be brief with this. I became financially secure pretty much the slow hard way, with 20+ years of the corporate auto industry slog through marketing, sales, and GM roles. I was always a decent saver, perhaps because my parents were not. I worked hard at work and tried to make my bosses look good and perform well. I balanced being aggressive with maintaining good relationships across all levels. I hated assholes and tried hard not to be one. I became increasingly more confident as I gained knowledge and experience. When nothing was moving career-wise, I always planted seeds about what I wanted to do in the future. I became known as someone creative who could also lead and execute. I never liked subordinating myself to others, but I sucked it up and did it anyways because that’s how corporate works. It was always relationships that helped me progress. Mostly bosses and former bosses. My breakout was being selected to be founder and CEO of foreign subsidiary - and life became much more challenging but infinitely more satisfying. I was really alive then. My ego grew and I left corporate to my own company back in US. Survived as entrepreneur through the financial crisis. Sold company for a nominal gain, and jumped to technology company serving my industry. Took a step backwards with a marketing role to gain entry then in two years became head of marketing for B2B SaaS company. In 5 years company grew 4x to $1B in revenue. My grants and options were all accelerated as a result of $4B acquisition, and I suddenly became more comfortable. I worked a few more years years, and now I retired in my late 50s and am general contracting the build of my retirement house. My wife still works so we have insurance and enough income to live on without out dipping into savings or investments. I believe in diversified investing including some hard assets and even a little crypto. Markets have been great, but high valuations and inflation both worry me. So my advice to anyone finding their path to success is to fully prepare first to gain entry to a career, always nurture the fire within (ambition) and then be patient to wait for doors to open that you must walk through. If you make mistakes, so what, everyone does. Just keep trudging forward and do your best to live up to your potential.
Haha
Had naval really understood what Kapil said , the title of this video would be anything but “conquering the mind” , from what I see it’s more about “allowing the mind” or “witnessing the mind” or “beyond mind” , as Kapil clearly says just being aware of the habit pattern is enough unto itself , just awareness is enough , anything more than it is the ego’s play.
“Conquering” is something an ego would do , an inspiration or soul would simply just be.
I love how these conversations give you both new solutions and new problems simultaneously.
I'm so pleased Naval was the one hosting this podcast. He brought it back to a place that is actually helpful. If I listened to the other dude alone I think he'd just make people give up haha. There's a place for everything, inspiration, motivation, coaching, teaching, mentoring, nutrition, survival, exercise, meditation. You name it. It all has a place. If you live in non duality you become someone who doesn't do anything.
“No great genius can explain how he does it.” -Alan Watts
I find Naval so uniquely relevant that it’s hard to wrap my brain around it. I’m not incredibly “intelligent”, but his communication style resonates with me in a way I’ve never experienced. I find that I want to go so much deeper in understand every single point of every single thing that he says. I’m so grateful for this podcast.
Thanks Naval. Introducing me to Kapil has done wonders for my journey. He might not be for everyone but his bluntness and sincerity helped me stop looking for prescriptions and ask myself why I'm not already taking action.
I have been listening to this particular episode now for the 5th time and every iteration I am able to connect to the contexts of what Naval and Kapil are speaking better with myself and relate to it on a deeper level. This one is GOLD!
same realization.
Wow!! I'm simply blown away by the amount of knowledge you guys dropped on us on this one. While halfway through the video, I kept checking my phone to see how many minutes were remaining hoping this conversation wouldn't end 👏👏👏
The fact that I don't quite understand what's being discussed here is fascinating to me, will be gladly coming back to this conversation.
The conversation, the dialogues are so smooth and seamless that it almost feels like it's scripted. I am fascinated by, how articulate you guys are, and how well your speaking compliments each other.
It's feels surreal, like hearing two aliens talk.
Two extremely clear minds. Kapil is... well, he may very well be a living buddha. But Naval is also exceptionally clear minded.
Let me clear something up for you - they’re both professional public speakers
@@danfontaine8179 Whats remarkable is their clear-mindedness. Not their public speaking.
@@DTMnoFear my exact thoughts. It's out of this world
This transcript, these people, even these comments are in a different realm. I've listened so many times. Grateful.
Same here. It's crazy how it remains new no matter how many times I listen
Fantastic episode. What Naval said about wanting to teach the world once you’ve figured something out, rings true to me. Kapil’s response to it as ‘why does it matter’? made me feel so much at ease.
I usually listen to podcasts when I'm doing something else like bathing or walking.. but this thing requires my full attention.. I hope I'll understand these things if I listen to it a few times..
For sure
Read Mr.Gupta’s book the direct truth - most impactful content for me is solving comes from understanding. Once I understood the true root of my anxiety, I didn’t have to treat it. It’s like lifting a veil off a hooded attacker who’s entire threat stems from his anonymity. I can’t win the game unless I know the rules, but once I uncover them - I’m free from playing
Don't follow prescriptions, lol 😂
I don’t feel as though Kapil is free though, he’s obsessed and a direct slave to the pursuit of truth. He says this in one of his podcasts, he says it’s not a choice for him, in fact it’s the only way. He’s not at ease, he fears that there may be something he’s not seeing and therefore is wasting his life. One of the more eccentric gurus, I do like and agree with a lot of his insights but ultimately I kind of disagree with the overall philosophy of the “sincere” or “serious” is the only one not wasting his/her life. I don’t think that’s a prerequisite for an non wasted life, it’s just too objective of a stance but that’s his opinion that should be for himself only I think, not the truth for everyone.
Big difference in understanding something intellectually, and understanding it in your heart. I can understand something intellectually and rationalize it all day long but it causes a big resistance because my heart doesn’t feel it. This is my battle and god damn is it hard. If I could get my heart to understand I’d be enlightened, there would be no more conflict.
Amazing comment.
@Suffering Succotash but don't you think, rationalising and understanding from the brain is the first step towards enlightenment. Like I feel first you try to understand the root cause of the problem, and then you figure out over time how you can overcome in a way that's accepted (both to your heart and brain). Also can you give an example of what you mean by understanding from heart and brain
Brilliant talk. Thank you for sharing. This talk has many layers; the notable one for me being the constant need for self improvement. I think back on when I first heard Alan Watts say: "...if you are really aware of your own inner workings, you will realize there’s nothing you can do to improve yourself. Because you don’t know what better is, in any case, and you, who will do the improving, are the one who needs to be improved."
An interesting podcast which didn’t simply offer freedom/enlightenment on a plate but instead offered a path for those who seek it.
Naval was commendably frank with his comments and alluded to an issue which many of us feel at some point: namely, the desire for appreciation but with little of the judgement or criticism. (For example, his desire to teach when he gets to a certain knowledge point, or the way that criticism stings relative to praise on social media, etc.) Kapil’s advice was to essentially: (i) lean into, and not away, from the problem; (ii) pose a better question to the problem (e.g. does it stem from childhood?); (iii) most importantly, just let the trait be and don’t fight it, for that will just trap you again! A powerful addition to the mental toolkit. Thanks again for the podcast and hopefully there will be more in the future.
The ability to not take prescriptions from this podcast even though you want to will make this worthwhile.
Right. Because its freedom from the mind. lol love it!
I LOVE YOU NAVAL!❤️ I discovered you during this coronavirus lockdown and my life is changing listening to your ideas! bohot bohot dhanyawad!!
I guessed there will be no ads on Naval's Original RUclips channel but I was proven wrong.
Naval never fail to surprise me.
Grand salute to Naval for bringing in such an amazing content. Keep on inspiring us. You are the Yoda of modern age.
The real yoda is kapil gupta. A true teacher, someone we all desperately need, but just don't understand yet.
The solution of the problem is not the solution but the problem. That was epic!!
I am still figuring out Naval, how the heck am I supposed to figure out Kapil now !?!
Precisely!😂
follow Naval, but not Kapil.
Naval = legit
Kapil = Scam.
Kapil: "Any suppression is regression"
Reality: Not the truth. if you suppress yourself of processed sugar for 1 year & only allow sugar from fruits & vegetables. You will see countless benefits to your mind & body. Suppression of processed sugar Is NOT regression it's progression.
@@joeballer4036 you missed the context.
@@joeballer4036 na man... Kapil is not for you 😆
Lol... You're not wrong
Where there's sincerity and seriousness that is where's it own instrument of examination
The really profound message by Kapil offered at 14:57 - I wish I had heard this 30 years ago.
Can you pls explain me what kapil meant by that?
@@excaliburgaming4122 It means the source of conflict resolution is within yourself (i.e.: don't try to change others - reframe the "problem" in your mind so that it is no longer a problem - that is the source of peace.
@@TansuTansu2 thq now I get it
I was soo angry because of these recurring ads in the middle of the podcast, untill I realised that it actually helped me pause the video , go back 20 seconds from the time the ad came, hear again what was being said and it let me to absorb more of this content.
Thanks for this podcast, really helping me.
Naval, we appreciate you opening up, being vulnerable. This is not a comment for you to like but a token of our appreciation.
What you learn, we also learn.
Thank you.
Ironically I found this by searching for a prescription! At the start of this video I had no idea who Naval or Kapil were, I’m so glad I found this. It was a little uncomfortable at first still is though less so. I felt like I was being exposed. I related to a lot of things that were brought up. Thank you both in aiding me in understanding my own behaviour and attitude.
The truth and clarity of this conversation is what I have been looking for. The clarity of both your minds is amazing and how you articulate and peel such a difficult topic is beautiful and amazing. Thank you for this! There is really no prescription for anything. This conversation is a clear inspiration. I cannot articulate what changed for me but there is strong resonance and I hope it doesn't fade away.
The destination is freedom... freedom from the mind and it all comes from understanding each problem and where it came from. Self-knowledge is the key to opening the interior heavenly kingdom of peace.
(I probably got that all wrong because I’m programmed by certain words and prescriptions 😅 - but Naval I feel so much like you when I’m scrambling through comments on every post and can’t let the one negative comment go)
Appreciate all you do. Thank you.
35:55 The very fact that you caught yourself doing it is enough...this is as deep as it gets, superb.
Priceless
Literally dripping
Have paused and gone many times 30-50 seconds back and tried to process what's been said, great talk.:))
I am coming back to this podcast after 5 years. I'm sure I'll see it in a total different light
Commenting so i see the 5 year update
Commenting to put the pressure on
You guys 😂😂😂
I think these 40 minutes are going to be pivotal for the rest of my life. Thank you.
My first attempt at running a business failed and that made me hesitate to dive in to my next attempt, instead I looked for prescriptions/how tos. Great video by Naval as always 👏🏿
“Any suppression is regression...”
“Impetus has to be where do you want to gobecause the answer to that question will create the path... freedom (from the mind) comes from the understanding of where things come from, not the conscious attempt to end them”
“Where there is sincerity and where there is seriousness that is it’s own instrument of examination” Kaplin
Hearing Naval's voice is a source of calm and peace .
Omgggg FOR REALLLLL
Very profound. One of the best talks I’ve heard.
19:44 anxiety
13:32 imprisonment by the mind, freedom
Fascinating thing is everyone who listens to this conversation will hear something different and thats exactly the point.
This one video here led me to Kapil, and because of that I am eternally gratefull. Kapil helped me solve all my problems at once.
Hi Naval, I just wanted to let you know that you have my sincerest thanks for sharing this amazing talk with us all. I don't want to sound overexaggerated but this discussion changed something fundamental within me.
I've listened it 3 time yet I learn something new everytime
If you were to say, “tell me what I want to know, I’ll give you 60 seconds - go!” Kapil would deliver EVERY single time.
Naval and Kapil ji should totally have a regular talk, may be weekly.
Both of them are so calm, and super insightful.
sincerity, seriousness, genuineness are their own instrument of examination
Beautiful, thank you both. I get a very strange feeling when I listen to Kapil. He says things that I feel like I have always known, but have never been able to articulate. I obviously have not known them, as it is the first time I am hearing them. But to hear them presented in such a way feels like a massive weight off my shoulders. I am curious as to why/where from these feelings arise.
I think it's actually similiar to religion, which is interesting becuase I myself am an agnostic, but it really does seem like understanding these concepts brings us closer to nirvana of a seamless society.
Kapil is the naval to our naval
Thank you for introducing me to this man - I really like his style. His articulate use of English to talk about the trap of prescriptions reminds me a bit of Alan Watts, but he has a much more direct and cutting way of talking. It’s Like a splash of cold water on your face
The way these guys talk exhale awareness.
My favorite takeaways:
"No human being actually wants to be told what to do. There’s something within a human being which rejects the idea of being told what to do. Quite frankly, even when you do give prescriptions, most don’t follow it."
"But if you go into a very practical thing, like making money, nobody says, “I’m going to work forever.” No, they’re like, “I want to make a pile of money.” Right? If I’m starting a company: “I want the company to be successful, I want the company to go public, or to get acquired, or generate so much cash flow that while I’m still alive, I can spend that cash.” In the money-making context, we’re extremely practical. We want to make that money while we’re still young enough and alive enough to spend it. But in the internal context, we get all spiritual and start talking about, “Maybe the next life, maybe in heaven or in hell, or my reincarnated life, or I’m just going to keep doing my self work, my self improvement until the day I die” and it’s considered acceptable to never arrive at a destination."
1. When pursuit greatness, prescription is useless, it can be starter but at some point you have to create your own path
2. Solution of problem is deeply embedded in it, knowing the source of problem is way to reduce it, rather than supress it by other way
3. Peace in life comes from rid of mind
Thank you both for this meaningful discussion.
We’re all really attached to our illusions, aren’t we?
I'm so glad @Naval is doing this and it's publicly available.
Awesome, never heard of him before. The master appears when the student is ready. 😊
These truths pierce my very being and my deepest fear is that I am not ready for them.
understanding, freedom, sincerity , exposure, journey, destiny, .... if some one can understand the whole conversation, they r already beyond the gates of enlightenment
It's my first podcast of naval and it blew my mind
I'm a millionaire. I needed this
Thank you so much Naval for introducing Kapil to us! I am so grateful for you!
Amazing. Two of the deepest thinkers from the twitter conversing about truth and freedom Shedding more light. The concepts were very well elaborated. I thought there would be more when he mentioned sincerity and seriousness. I think there is a part II of this podcast as it did feel like it ended abruptly. Thank you. Continue spreading your understanding. It is actually helping us in experience freedom if not arriving at it.
A new video from Naval is so refreshing
Not learning any lesson out of this podcast is a lesson.
Preach.
True. If you self reflected while listening to this podcast, that’s all you needed to do. No notes, no quotes and no take aways needed.
It’s a easy concept to understand. That all problems come from the mind.
But very in powering to implement in my everyday life.
Thank you Kapil and Naval
Jiddu Krishnamurti: "If we can really understand the problem the answer will come out of it, because answer is not separate from the problem"
Tom Mathews if you have the question, you only have the answers - UG krishnamurti.
Hope it's a compliment to these guys that I also caught myself coming back to things K said. Especially his most common refrain: "Go into it."
There's no doubt Krishnamurti is an influence on both of them.
Krishnamurti simply questions everything. Nothing is spared from his intellect.
@@anejaG55 Do you understand what UG Krishnamurti says?
Naval, thanks so much for sharing. We are all each others teachers, so we should all be open to learning from each other. Thank you again and good luck further.
The very point it ends is the deepest most sincere message of the podcast. And they both kept this session so short. Naval in my known universe is the best person to interview Kapil ( if you know both of them ). My sincere thanks - My mind game.
Kapil's words, about prescriptions, have been stuck in my mind for months now. Really appreciate his honest view at everything
Great stuff. You guys could have expanded for a couple hours on this, but the fact that this was kept "brief" is a statement on the depth attained. Thank you.
The layers resonate more each and everytime I listen... and when I dont. This is magic. Too simple-Too complex.
Naval please continue to feed our minds.
-Love
This deserves a billion views...
I loved how spirituality is grossly defined as ultimate performance enhancer, and thats exactly what it is.
To know your mind no one can help you from outside, when there is seriousness and there is sincerity, that is own instrument of examination.
"Where there is sincerity and where there is seriousness, that is its own instrument of examination"
🔥
"Sincerity" and "seriousness" here really echo with “至诚”(one's utmost sincereity)，Wang Yangming's philosophy in ancient China. The original quote of Wang is "唯天下之至诚，为能尽其性” (Only by one's utmost sincerity, one may give full play to one's nature/potential.)
@@yuewu1242 beautiful
Thank you for introducing us Kapil Gupta. He is shattering away all my beliefs only to be left with my primordial self!
Am not alone 😁 getting what kapil talks does takes multiple revisits
Yours is the only content/podcast where I don't ponder upon the things that I heard. I just stop RUclips and go to the next thing that I have to do. Which even my mind can't do.
That was an epic podcast, thank you Naval
I'm really glad that naval has the desire to teach
I'm really grateful for it and deeply appreciate it
Gonna have to listen to this several times to deeply understand it tbh
Throughout the whole discussion, the struggle for meaning is fairly obvious. Although the word wasn't explicitly mentioned even once. This is the dilemma of being 'stuck' at the level of the mind. One is always identified with the very thing from which one seeks an escape. The idea of faith is germinal to quelling anxieties that arise from disillusionment. It's hard to surmise such a broad topic so here's a book recommendation instead: The Book on the taboo against knowing who you are by Alan Watts. Much love Naval for your earnestness in seeking the Truth.❤️
Thank you for this. I face the same issue where I see my mind telling people about the things I'm doing or learning or making while I'm doing them, the desire to teach has dwindled since I realise there is an ocean I don't know of, but this interruption by the mind during that process is something you talked about as well. Thankyou for making this available. Your conversations with kapil make them accessible and maybe easier to understand.
This is something I have noticed about myself too and it was a treat to know Naval goes through the same thing. And then we wonder how we end up following him. Maybe we are somewhat like him and hence ended up listening to him.
Couldn’t agree more, its only because what he’s talking about is a personal experience. Each time I listen to his anecdotes and I find instances from my life which are similar.
This is a BOMB 💣
After a longtime I found something that I have to go back again to listen what was said to really understand what it means , it's 40 min video and I'm only 25 mins in but missed few things so I went back and now I'm listen very carefully every line these guys are saying , and it's blowing my mind 🔥.
Naval and his exploration is a real deal. My life changed the moment I discovered his - how to get rich without getting lucky compiled podcast. Thank you Naval.
These men are so articulate that one feels they are speaking from a script
The email reminders are great, thanks
how to get that?
@@mrinaldhamani Got that option on twitter since I follow him..
Mrinal Dhamani Nav.al
How this comment is 9 months old when the video was uploaded yesterday on 19th feb?
@@mukharu.n6616 time travel
“Any freedom that makes you crave for more freedom isn’t freedom”
Oh my goodness, kapil this is soo amazing! I always thought Naval was the bigger shark when it comes to tech, enlightenment and wisdom and boom then I listen to this.
Amazing podcast!
So by any means, any work that makes u crave for more work isnt work?
@@jojo-fj7lw yeah because you are not looking at it like a work. You are craving for it, wanting more of it ,you are actually enjoying it