Breanna Stewart & WNBPA speakout on Cathy Engelbert's controversial CNBC interview
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
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@@QuitaLovesSportsI listened to the entire interview .and your follow up
I follow women's bball. especially NCAA.
I support my college women's bball ...I even played a college sport
I live an alternative lifestyle ...
I am over 60;yrs old .
self employed in a male dominated field
but I don't wear t shirts with questionable biased opinion on a televised game or rant for months incorrect statistics about the one player that has marketed the wnba into a successful business in less than one season . .
and I have not blind sided anyone ...
Q, you provide a great service of bball information and have a real and honest connection to bball ...
love your mom too
just saying there are many good kind of fans ....just a few unhealthy ones...
the commissioner is a bit confused on her line of approach on this subject matter
Another spin-off of the ever tiring Angel Reese vs Caitlin Clark debate ? God people have nothing else to do to stir this empty pot ? Watch the games & enjoy and stop beeing social media freaks for god sake.
W players upset at Cathy but were silent during the Hamby situation 😂😂😂😂
@@Sticks2mini2rs Thank you. Like Buddhist Monks. Not a peep.
@@Sticks2mini2rsGreat point
Thanks for giving your perspective. I always appreciate your balanced and thoughtful comments, Quita. Peace.
Ms. Cathy NEEDS to also address the OFFICIATING in the league. Cathy, why are the refs missing blatant calls? Cathy, how is the league looking to improve consistency with officiating the games? Cathy, are you concerned with the fans notion of refs gambling on games?
Great Point, Stewie. No place for racism.
Of any kind.
Unless it's directed at a straight, white Christian girl, then it's okay right stewart? Hypocrite
INCLUDING what's been thrown at Caitlin and CC fans.
@@tanyawilliams1887 She never spoke out about that.
@marisoltammero3331 Exactly! Stewie has never said anything about the racism directed at CC. Cathy comes from corporate America and she worded her post beautifully, imo.
Those women are so soft. Maybe instead of virtue signaling, they should address the real problems like poor officiating and cheap shots that go unpunished.
Please leave.
@@narlywaves2371 - you leave. you dont support, buy tickets or merch. just talk shyt all day.
@@narlywaves2371 OK narley weaves
@@petep5207 FACTS
You're absolutely right Caitlin Clark needs consequences for all hitting people in the face
Addressing the trolls will not have the effect you think it will. It called "don't feed the trolls" for a reason. It only validates them, Encouraging them to go even harder.
You can destroy trolls. For instance, if someone makes a death threat (which I guess is the “trolling” here), find out who they are and charge them with a crime. That’ll bring that to a quick end.
Perhaps stop the media from spreading lies about players. Like maybe file some defamation lawsuits. You know, because some straight up lies have been spread about these players.
@@liquidmark5081death threats are the extreme. And people can go to jail for them. What about the 14 year old making edgy racist jokes. How do you stop that in a way that won’t just make them laugh at you and do it more?
lies about players are pretty bad. I saw a video claiming that one of the players is a man. But I agree with the original posters comment. If you address them or go to their video or page and leave a comment you are just giving them more engagement to help feed the algorithm to spread the video to more people. So I just ignore them and go on with my day.
@@liquidmark5081 death threats are of course a crime. They also happen in hundreds of spheres of notoriety, the WNBA is just rising in notoriety and therefore attracting more of it. Not feeding trolls is good advice. Cathy Engelbert, like every other league commissioner in the fact she only has so much power to handle these things as they are law and issues.
Okay so Reese needs to take all threats to the police. Give screen names and ips
Where were all these ZERO TOLERANCE players when CC was being publicly harassed by Antonio Brown? Oddly silent.
@@jice7074 Thank You. I forgot about that.
Agree.
Antonio Brown is a crackpot former football player who admitted that he's had some mental health issues and speaks for himself. Cathy Engelbert speaks for the WNBA as a league commissioner. I'm not condoning Brown's comments in any way but I don't think the W should have responded to him individually. Now, fans and media responding is a difference matter.
@@SeshatPG82 that's still no excuse to blame all bad behavior on CC fans. CC didn't just bring fans, she brought attention to the league. Just like Hollywood, music, or other sports, when with notoriety comes weirdoes. Some jerk apparently sent Angel Reeses family fake photos of her. Somebody also illegally recorded CC in the shower and released it on the internet. With notoriety comes the jerks. These are hard things to deal with but wagging the finger at fans or trying to say one particular players fans are the problem will only invite more trolls.
Thanks Quita, you're the best!
The WNBPA should also have said they wouldn’t be tolerating hatred racism harassment or physical attacks from players against players.
@@rcstjean Exactly.! What about telling the players too? Mean words - we can’t have that. But players intentionally hurting other players, silence…
@@johno99 who was hurt?
The WNBA is not going to say anything. They are behind this foolishness. Furthermore, I believe the WNBA is paying the social media voices and the negative BOTS.
What player has done any of that?
@@TyGrue-p2n 17% of all flagrant fouls aimed at one player in the league …shouldn’t that be reviewed? Hmm
Well maybe the original wnba fans should stop being racist against Caitlin Clark and her fans.
Calling Catlin fans racist is not being racist.
Since you asked, yes, I do think you’re being a wee bit too soft on her. Not by a lot, but by a little. It’s bothersome that she had to get chastised before saying the right thing which should’ve been SO obvious to her. And instead, she focused on the “benefits” of the rivalry aspect.
I agree with you.
@@ms.undastood2586 thank you. That is nice to hear.
There is no rivalry on Clarks behalf . She has even said it in plain English. It is just another game for the Fever. Period ! ! ! !
What's sad to me is that it was only addressed when prompted. She took the easy way out, but honestly not surprised.
What is the offense? What are people saying that is racist? I’m not saying it isn’t there, but I feel like no one has a clue what we are actually supposed to be fighting against.
@@stevebusam2911 agree. It won't matter what she says. She will be Damned if she does and Damned if she doesn't. She cannot stop the Trolls or the haters NO matter what she says.
Internet trolls will always be around unless we ban Social Media. I find it ironic that the player making the loudest noise about how evil social media is, is the player who is using social media the most to advance her brand. She even has a podcast now which is a whole new treasure chest for the Trolls to attack.
So just because she is using social media to build her brand for life after and outside of basketball, it's ok for the racism and trolls
@@quandelicamoore8158 it's okay to push the block button...it's not hard
@@SGriTa913 I know 🤷🏾♀️ I like to argue don't affect me either way
@@mickpratt8327 so it's OK for people to make fake pictures of you and send them to your family
@helenevoy3145 no, but I'm telling you that those fools aren't going anywhere and AI is just going to make it worse. This is just the beginning. Just wait.
Brianna then you need to straighten out people in your league like Swoops and some of these other current players, coaches, refs, media that are bashing CC the rookie of the year.
Catlin fans call Blk players jungle thugs, prison thugs, and other names, sending death threats and following players home. Please! please leave
Quita. Please don’t mock those of us that don’t believe it was enough. “This isn’t good enough. She needs to leave”. It was not enough. Also, she is allowing the assault on the court to go too far without consequence. Roughness during a basketball play is understandable. Assault when the ball is not in play should not be ignored. Also, the “senior” athletes shouldn’t get recognition or selection just based on their seniority. Just my opinion.
It's not the fandom that is toxic, it's the league itself, and there's no wonder, considering the silence from the WNBPA regarding the violent behavior of its players.
You are lying.
What violent behavior from players?
@LiadMalone What violent behaviors? All the players get fouled and usually the person with possession of the ball the most gets fouled the most. Flagrant fouls are common. It's the Flagrant 2 that gets a player ejected from a game (like the one Alyssa Thomas did to Angel Reese).
I don't see the women throwing hands like the guys or hitting each other in the head with the basketball (like Charles Barkley did to Shaq).
It’s definitely the fans.
If people keep blaming Caitlin's fans for this mess and accusing them of being racist, they will leave along with their money and you will be back to empty stadiums and no TV. This is all because of the extra. attention paid to the league due to some players now becoming stars outwith Basketball. Celebrity brings with it Trolls on both sides-don't feed or delete twitter. Note Caitlin has 24 hour security and doesn't read twitter. She doesn't have that security for nothing-in fact she's had it for a few years now.
Not all money is good money, if the money comes with the disrespect, please take it away.
But CC fns are racist and homophobic . That is fact.
Her boyfriend retweeted a meme that put her face on the officer that murdered George Floyd and Carrington’s face on Floyd’s. He shared it. She is a college graduate. She’s not stupid. She knows what’s going on. Boston, her teammate, received so much vitriol that she shut down her social media. It isn’t all of Clark’s fans. My partner is a HUGE Clark fan but the propensity to simply ignore the toxicity is maddening. The horrid stuff isn’t happening to her, so like this attitude you presented here, there’s a lack of concern. Right? Because it is widely known that most of the toxicity is exacted by fans of Clark, there’s a kinship there, a connection, so other Clark fans don’t actually want to condemn them. On some level I think the hatefulness they so openly display is appreciated because it’s done for Clark.
Instead they just want to dismiss them as trolls, leaving them free to continue supporting Clark-harassing, harming other players and their families, without any pushback. While media pundits ignore it but film segments speaking to how the league is bullying Caitlin; jealous of her; targeting her; should be grateful to her etc. They’ll speak those ideas, and that’s supported, but the vitriol, and threats to other players are minimized.
If they don’t stop blaming Caitlin’s fans? Caitlin’s fans are outraged too. Her REAL fans condemn such ugly behavior because they know it has no place. They are appalled by the lack of humanity shown. They are disgusted by it. The only people threatened are those that are guilty.
@@serahwairimu3155 you speaking for all the female athletes who have dedicated their lives to reach the top of their sport? And their families? They don’t want financial stability ?
@@leiannb.wrytes8893 As a CC fan, I have read comments calling ALL CC fans horrible names, cracker, Caitlin Klan Fans, snow roaches, and many more. It does go both ways. And ALL of it is bad. What everyone fails to realize is that if CC talks about anything, it will be scrutinized and twisted to make it seem bad. Her degree is in marketing. She is doing exactly what she should be doing. Praising her fellow players and not getting caught up in the bull manure. If the other players would do the same, a lot of the vitriol would go away. And let me be clear, I give a damn about anyone's politics or their causes when it comes to basketball. I just want to watch a game. Maybe they should try doing that, because as an older gay woman, I don't need some athlete to "speak out" for me. I can do that all by myself.
When a PLAYERS ASSOCIATION DIRECTOR comes out and talks about the job of FANDOM to uplift the game she totally leaves behind the many negative comments and transparent actions that WNBA Players themselves are responsible for. Heck the players are employees and trashing other players in the league does not exactly improve the brand and league value. Sure as a PLAYERS Rep that might be the position you would expect her to play but she is the Rep for ALL the players and she should do the complete job.
No matter what she say it won't stop the internet is undefeated
It's not about stopping it, it's about standing up against racism. But saying we want the drama is basically a dog whistle to racist
Facts @@TyGrue-p2n
@@TyGrue-p2n you feed the troll they will troll more...they should probably worry about real life racism...this league is very child like.
@@SGriTa913 And that's exactly what Cathy did. She told them it's ok to do what they're doing. Y'all waiting for one of these girls get hurt to say what's happening is bad?
@@TyGrue-p2n for sure. I’m a person of color and been racially slandered many times by blacks. Where can I complain to ? I’m interested.
So the player who is starting a rival basketball league is upset with the WNBA commissioner? Fascinating.
Rival league? The 3-on-3 league?
It isn’t rival league.
Not a rival league. The W supports the the new league bc
1- its 3v3 and 1v1 & NOT 5v5.
2- they want This other league do the players don’t have to go overseas.
3- they have LITERALLY publicly endorsed it.
Look how you’re posting with no clue about what you’re talking about🙄
It's NOT a rival league but even it it were, Stewie's comments were on point.
If Breanna Stewart has ever watched a Indiana Fever game across the country she would notice the fans are young girls with their parents, a large portion of those attending are women and yes many are older like myself with gray hair. CC's fan base is not your typical toxic masculinity fan base at NFL, NBA, MLB, MLS etc. games. The people I described are not the type of people being trolls on social media. As someone who is a CC fan I am tired of being accused of being racist because of a few clowns on social media. It is bad enough that the outright hatred so many players and commentators involved with the WNBA have towards CC, but they seem to hate her fans even more. Maybe this is why so many CC fans just watch the Indiana Fever games,
Its basketball. She is a corporate bean counter.
"I'm jealous that you have the biggest fanbase for any female athlete ever...so I want to separate you from it. I know, I'll drive a wedge between you and your fans, so that you abandon each other".
This reminds me of one scene in the movie "Malcom X". When Malcom shows up with tons of soldiers of Islam and with a flick of his wrist, they form and line up. One cop who is observing this, says "That is too much power for one man to have". And this is exactly how they feel about Caitlin. They feel--the league office and the players--that she has too much power.
They are trying so desperately to shove other players down fans' throats. It is not organic. Caitlin's fame IS organic. Instead of embracing and engratiating themselves to Caitlin's fans, they have chosen to try to alienate, diss and even physically hurt her. Dumbest strategy ever. Worse still, is that the WNBA commissioner and the referees, are all complicit.
The sabotage has not worked, even with the media's help. Hilarious how people who claim to be decades long sport watchers, seem to have never heard of Celtics, Patriots, Cowboys, Eagles, Raiders, Yankees, Red Sox, Utah Jazz, Detroit Pistons fans. Hockey fans....My god, clearly, these people have NEVER seen or heard SOCCER fans...worldwide....The list is endless. Toxicity everywhere--but that does not define entire fanbases. Grow the heck up. It is NOT Caitlin's job--or the commissioner's--to police the internet--much less apologize for the trolls that inhabit Twitter and other spaces. You don't WANNA read toxic tweets? Don't actively SEEK OUT toxic tweets. Not that hard for grownups.
As for Engelbert, I called for her firing from DAY ONE....but for different reasons. She is an absentee commish and has done NOTHING to grow the game. She has allowed it to be a prison ball league. She has allowed players this season try to end the career of their biggest star--Caitlin Clark. This is unforgivable. Bring in Nancy Lieberman ASAP. She would clean up this circus, shyt show excuse for a "pro league". As for the WNBA players--worry about being well-spoken professionals who respect the sport, instead of pouty, jealous children...before tackling the darkside of the internet. Baby steps.
Nancy is a yes.
I love stewie she stood on bidness and made it crystal clear which is all kathy had to do. Simple. Kathy not only pissed off the fans she pissed of the players too and i could tell.
These players get pissed off for every little thing that don’t go their way They need to grow up you can’t control everything
@@vondaphillips this isnt a little thing. They should be standing up for themselves for mistreatment by strangers This isnt them being overly sensitive. They are human beings as well and want to be treated as so.
@@lebronJAMES3547 sure. As a poc I have been racially abused by blacks in America for years. Where can I file the complaint so it stops?
@@lebronJAMES3547 what mistreatment? Give examples they can’t because they always want to play the victim if they can’t handle what the fans say but they said the league is physical and have been hating on Caitlin so now they are getting it back it goes both ways
@@vondaphillips chenndey carter was harassed by a fan walking down the street after that foul on CC. Thats a bit far dont you think?
Until they call out the hate and racism going towards CC as well, all of this is pandering
Racism on the internet sucks.
I scroll past and condemn it every time I see it.
I have another problem with Cathy Englebert.
The WNBA is snubbing Caitlin Clark.
Cathy Englebert is snubbing Caitlin Clark. Englebert should stop.
Caitlin Clark is single-handedly saving the WNBA.
A year ago I hadn't uttered "WNBA" in more than ten years years.
Today, I am a WNBA fan because of Caitlin Clark.
My reaction to Caitlin Clark in 2024 is exactly the same as was my reaction to Michael Jordan in 1984 and 1985.
I am confident that Caitlin Clark will change the WNBA in the same way that Michael Jordan changed the NBA during his NBA career.
I'm here now, watching WNBA games, spending money on WNBA merchandise, because Caitlin Clark brought me here.
If Caitlin Clark were not here, I would not be watching WNBA games.
If Caitlin Clark were not here, I would not be buying WNBA merchandise.
I can't be the only new fan who is here, watching and spending money, because of Caitlin Clark.
Caitlin Clark is a better basketball player than Angel Reese in almost every measurable way.
Talk about Angel Reese if you want to.
Caitlin Clark is several levels above Reese.
People talk about Angel Reese largely because Angel Reese, driven by insecurity and jealousy, talks about Caitlin Clark.
Angel Reese's toxic narcissism will destroy Angel Reese. And Reese's narcissism is almost all she has.
Hopefully, Angel Reese will solve Angel Reese's problem all by herself, and soon.
Reiterating:
Cathy Englebert is snubbing Caitlin Clark.
Cathy Englebert needs to get the Hell out of the way
If it wasn't for Angel Reese no body but the Iowa west would have known who Catlin Clark was. When she taunted Catlin she became known ok. Y'all got it all twisted
I have a issue with players telling me cuz I’m a fan of Fever/CC I have to care (Lock-in on everybody) No. This is simply about jealousy and envy. Every player who has come out and said something they always imply pay attention to everybody it’s not just about one person. They go after “racism” which is trolls and bots to make it seem legit reasons.
Why have they not addressed Dijonai's blatant discrimination of fanbases related to Caitlin? Why have they not addressed the systematic racism towards CC by Black media personalities on ESPN etc? Why have they not addressed the reverse racism Reese fan bases initially began towards CC through lies and bigotry?😂😂😂
FYI, CC has more black fans across all platforms than Reese, we ain't got time for BS
These woke fools don't realise that Cathy saved their skins from looking like hypocrites
Nt wanting to receive literal death threats is about jealousy and envy?
Look, straight up, The players say pay attention to everybody because the league has a lot of talent. Clark’s attention is largely manufactured by the media. The same energy that the media is putting into one player, they could have been putting into the league all these years. But these are two separate things.
Nobody’s telling you that you have to do anything. It’s not about you, bro.
@@liquidmark5081 Again acknowledging trolls does what? The commissioner supposed to DO what to stop it?
You sound like an idiot. So the merchandise sales, attendance, views, record breaking stats that haven’t been done in 20 years is media manufactured 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 STFU
Quita, I agree with everything you are saying. In addition, I think the players have completely missed the original point Commissioner Engelbart was making: there is now an increased level of social media attention on the league and on the individual players within the league. By the very nature of social media, this will bring out more trolls, and the best thing to do about trolls is to ignore them. There is nothing else that the WNBA or anyone can do about it. Feeding them never makes anything better.
The players need to gain some self awareness about what they are posting about other players if they don't want to draw negative attention to their social media accounts. More people are watching now, and when they put negativity out into the world, it's inevitably going to come back to them. There is a reason Caitlin is so so careful about her public comments.
That was not the question though…
@@Nkuli132 She was asked about the rise in racist and homophobic comments on social media. I think addressing the reason there has been an increase and what players can do about it was a reasonable way to answer the question. It just wasn't the answer some people wanted to hear.
@mizmary5601 It's not the players posting about other players. This is about players getting death threats and racist comments on their page. I've seen hateful posts on channels dedicated to Angel Reese, for example, that are horribly offensive. And Reese hasn't said anything negative about Caitlin Clark. As a matter of fact, both Angel and Caitlin have said they have no animosity toward each other. And Angel Reese has not posted anything negative about any player
Hateful people will always find an excuse or make up one for vile behavior.
@@dfattyadams123 The hateful posts are horrible, but it's naive to think that Cathy Engelbert or Caitlin Clark or anyone else has any power to stop them because they aren't in fact coming from fans. You can be sure that Caitlin is on the receiving end of the same and worse. They are coming from trolls and troublemakers who only want to shock and sow discord. It is the price of fame and also of choosing to make comments online. Maybe Elon Musk could fix the Twitter part, but he doesn't want to. The rest of us can only ignore, block, or delete social media. Demanding that people make statements does nothing to address the problem.
If it was as simple as just ignore the personal security business would not exist. Some of these people act on their thoughts. The fact that they started chartering flights because of the attention CC was getting in airports show that they understand what can happen and they take actions to prevent that.
(Heck someone thought of shooting Trump and tried it 😭)
Even if the aim is to ignore, there should be an effort to show swift repercussions when someone crosses the line.
People are being a bit Myopic.
Someone gets hurt then they will have to come out and address it - plus you just need one victim for this to become a serious issue.
Worse is if the attacker belongs to a certain fan base and the player has never made any statements to denounce that behavior in their name.
Let’s stop acting like acts of violence are not easily achievable in America.
Tbh, when I saw that interview, it sounded like Cathy Engelbert thought monetizing hate and racism is a good business strategy.
That's what it sounded like to me, too.
Cathy is right to not feed the trolls. Yes the conversation has taken a darker turn especially in the beginning of the season. But right now the basketball conversation is much louder and clearer and the trolls have receded into the background. She kept it on basketball and the culture of W-players around the game.
There are ways to challange the trolls, or condemn them, but you have to be carefull not to make it about them, because they win on engagement, not on winning the argument.
I'll say it again, Cathy has answered the question as best as possible.
No they have not receded anywhere. They are loud and deep. I think they because Clark hasn’t said that she’s been followed home; that her life has been threatened; that there aren’t memes depicting her as a murder victim with another player posed as the perpetrator-that too few care that it’s happening. If it were her, on the receiving end of the harshest of the vitriol-there would be an outcry all over these media stations. There wouldn’t be anyone in comment sections suggesting that she just ignore it. That she was soft. There would be a demand for those in leadership positions to take a firm stance against such behaviors. That they make it clear that it’s unacceptable.
@leiannb.wrytes8893 appreciate the comment.
Though it is true that some of the most vicious vitriol has been directed at some of the players, i think it is always a tricky situation how best to handle this. Oftentimes, condemning and saying al the "right" things have more of a feel of virtue signaling rather than actually doing anything to stop the harrasment.
These trolls say the darndest things just to get a reaction. They feed on the anger and shock of those they harras, thats entirely the point. I think the conversation on the bigger platforms has moved towards focussing on basketball and less on the trollish behavior and talking points, and Cathy had that instinct to focus on the good this increased attention has brought.
Though she might have addressed it, I'm hard pressed to believe it actually does something other than virtue signaling.
Last point, not to compare levels of harrasment and hate but Clark has been subject to harrasment, she on the other hand, had made it her entire personality to ignore everything and everyone online and focus on her play in the court, to the point that nobody barely notices or knows she is being harrased. Not saying its right, but ignoring online harrasment has an effect in silencing those voices.
@@otnielbelfor528saying that the wnba likes the drama, as she said, is the same as saying that they WANT the players to be harassed, receive death threats and all that. A real leader would support their talent over a pack of unruly “fans” that are acting like savages.
@liquidmark5081 i did catch that, though i would give her the benefit of the doubt by assuming she did not mean it like that.
Though fans are fanatical by nature. So unruly fans will always be there, the conversation has to resolve into how do we elevate those who have genuine interest in these players, in the sport in the rivalries and elevate those conversationsto the forfront all the while to temp down or drown out those who have ulterior motives in pushing certain culture war issues and just tired old trollish behavior.
I think Cathy made a good faith attempt. I guess for a lot of people that wasn't good enough, and that's a fair critique.
Cathy only tweeted that because Stewie used her platform and called her out and it went viral immediately, Cathy would’ve ignored this whole thing if Stewie didn’t speak up immediately
stewie’s the perfect example of an ally
she is the exact reason this league sucks.
Stevie is an ally...She overlooks the racist attacks by Angel Reese her fans and other wnba players against Clark and then addressing Angel Reese lying ass😊
Y’all are giving too much power to internet trolls. Stop crying ladies and hoop!
@@breezybreeze12 i saw another commenter put it best. They were praying for the attention, interaction, and notoriety of the NBA but now spiteful because of whom is bringing them said attention and interaction.
@@breezybreeze12 these ladies have reported being followed in public and harassed - it’s more than just Internet trolls
This is why CC doesn’t comment. It doesn’t help anything. She just plays. I understand why Angel gets more involved. Her online presence is extremely important to her brand. Caitlin’s brand is just playing ball. And a lot of other players too. It’s just a few players and former players making most of the noise.
@@kromero2269 reported to who? I only heard it from Angel and I have not seen a video or police report. Much as she’s on her phone she would record something like that
@@kromero2269 - I WAS ABDUCTED BY ALIENS 12 TIMES. PROOF. WE NEED PROOF.
I will say this, we have a problem in the WNBA it's called leadership. Coaches allowing and knowingly that their players are trying to take out any player is dangerous. This is a problem and not the way to get people to support this new WNBA. The over zealous fouls can ruin someones career and dreams. The refs are allowing too many fouls. I see people blocking out and literally the opposing team is reaching over their shoulders and the foul is being called on the player boxing out. It's horrible refs that are part of the problem.
Good point. The behavior of some of the coaches in and off the court through there words are not leaders.
Complete shitshow.
Bye
Kathy didn't say anything wrong. Funny how CC has been attacked physically and verbally by these woke players and fans. Enough with this
I agree with you that Engelbert's follow up was sufficient. The more attention people give to Internet trolls, the more trolling they will do.
They are going to do it no matter what she says. She’s trying to run a business, not get involved in drama. She’s just saying people are going to do what they do which is true. The trolls aren’t even basketball fans. They do this with every famous athlete just because they are bad people that want to watch the world burn.
@@ericMT I totally agree. Racism is not new.
Why fans are crucified? What about those racist players, analysts, and journalists hating on players?
Example, one racist player.
@@serahwairimu3155 Carrington is racist
Who is the racist analyst? Who are the racist players?
when a couple of coaches, retired players., media announcers, and current players , are into the hatred...this spurs the fans ... so fans pick a side, some with unfriendly fire...
as I said early in this wnba season, the wnba administration needed to take action. educate and advise the wnba family about image, respect , and good sportsmanship
hire Brene Brown and have periodic sessions about the current wnba changes and looking forward to success as a family unit
Agreed!!!!!
@@BettyR-qd2zr thanks
I don't agree with Stewie and WNBPA, the league has always been very racist. A huge star coming in who happens to be White and just wants to play basketball and not get into wokeness exposed that racism.
Quita did a very weak video in response Cathy Engelbert's comments.. trying to "Both sides this issue" is absolutely wrong and a very strong false equivalence.. Kaitlyn Clark fans are truly racist towards Angel Reese and many black women in the WNBA.. because they cannot stand the fact that black women are not on their knees worshiping Caitlin Clark.. this is a massive problem on one side only.. and that's coming from Caitlin Clark's fan base..
But it was the players themselves that started the race batting with Caitlin. That's what fired up everybody. It even got network commentators going after each other. How dare these woke players say Caitlin sucks or that she is special because she is white. And that if she was black she would be "just another player" It wasn't fans who said that!
What players "started the race batting [sic] with Caitlin"? What players said "Caitlin sucks"? No player said she'd be "just another player" if she were black. What A'ja Wilson said was that Clark being white, that race, plays a role in her fandom and marketablity. Anybody who knows about marketing (ask the experts) will tell you that's it's a face that race plays a role, particularly when it comes to marketing women. Not Clark's or Wilson's fault but it is what it is.
You’re being too soft Quita! The apology should be as loud as the offense. Cathy needs to make that statement from her mouth, not hiding behind social media
Agreed. And Cathy needs to do more to promote positivity.
Quita might be a bit of a fuddy duddy....I get brown noser vibes. She's trying to keep her white audience as well and not look to pro blk which is a womp for me.
No, the opposite.
Those attacking Caitlin and her fans should apologize to Caitlin and her fans!
@@independentaquaman7424 no one is attacking. Kaitlyn or her fans, bro and guess what a lot of Kaitlyn‘s fan base is very toxic and racist not all of them, but there are some.
@@independentaquaman7424 and why should anybody apologize to Kaitlyn?
@@liquidocelot6294 listen dummy, we are not toxic! Nor, are we soft or door mats! Keep your dirty feet off us and CC! We are bball fans! We are CC fans! We know the game! We know the ignorance of the old W fans and players! Take your nonsense and go kick some rocks! I suggest wearing steele toe boots. Now, stfu!
She should have addressed the flagrant fouls on Caitlin that are racist cause I don’t see any of the black players knocking down black players like they did Caitlin
Cameron Brinks spoke on this succinctly months ago. Ijs Do The Right Thing
So did CC; same message.
@@KH-augNO SHE DIDN'T. She half asked a question that needed to be asked twice.
@@KH-aug Good on her. I expect no less in tonight's post game when the inevitable question is posed.
The commissioner has no power over the actions of trolls. Those people are not fans. Other folks are complaining that she didn't virtue signal enough. I'm not surprised by this in a league where virtue signaling is a way of life. That doesn't make it less stupid.
Every sport every league has trolls but the leagues don’t accuse their fans of being “ists” except wnba. Black players are worshiped like gods in every sports.
@@CodyCha the amount of times that I’ve seen so-called fans of a particular person called WNBA players thugs for committing regular basketball fouls how is that worshipping black players?
If you’re making and reporting racist posts, photos and images of players, then you’re racist I don’t care if you’re worshipping lebron.
@CodyCha Aren't we talking about racist posts and death threats against certain players? And the League is calling out racists and homophobia which they should. Hopefully, most people don't fall into that category.
@phil6748 Exactly. I've seen hateful comments on channels that are dedicated to Angel Reese and the channel owners have to block people. Like why are you coming on Angel's channel to make insulting comments?
@@phil6748 if someone calling a player “thug” hurt your feelings, let me tell you it’s been happening as long as sports existed 😂
Personally, I think she needs resign. She's established that none of the players are safe under her leadership.
The players should not and can not work for somebody who clearly does not have their safety and well-being in mind.
Racism at the least, is psychology and emotionally harmful, and deadly at its worst.
When people show you their true self- believe them. The players are just cattle to her
I really don’t get the problem here. She was looking at the positive aspect, it’s obvious the wnba is against bad stuff. They don’t need to constantly say it. If she did that you all would complain about that too. Find something to be offended by
Can someone prove this supposed racism....Only racism see all the time is from Angel Reese fans towards Caitlin Clark...Can we see proof, and proof that it was from a Clark fan and not just a troll
You say you see racist comments from one fandom to another but you want someone to prove to you they exist?? 😒
What you have supposedly seen is enough proof that people should take a stand against.
The question she was asked was not about Cc vs Ar fans but around the racist and sexual undertones surrounding both of them that has spilled into the W.
Here we go. I made this prediction. Politics over economic growth 🤣They keep messing with the bag💵. As new fans we know what you’re all saying. Keep it up making things more than basketball. The fandom has more than 2 colors that like ONE (I wonder who that player is🤔🤣) The real color they should be worried about is the green that will no longer be available after this season by the so call “toxic” fandom. You’re getting support by the new fandom. Than again, we know where we are not wanted 🤷🏾♂️ and the old fans can keep their exclusive club called the wnba.
Why have they not addressed Dijonai's blatant discrimination of fanbases related to Caitlin? Why have they not addressed the systematic racism towards CC by Black media personalities on ESPN etc? Why have they not addressed the reverse racism Reese fan bases initially began towards CC through lies and bigotry?😂😂😂
FYI, CC has more black fans across all platforms than Reese, we ain't got time for BS
These woke fools don't realise that Cathy saved their skins from looking like hypocrites
So from your vantage it’s acceptable to follow players home and threaten their lives? It’s acceptable to say that players should have died from tumors? It’s acceptable to create memes that demonstrate murder? (Clark and Carrington::where Clark is the officer that murdered George Floyd and Carrington is Floyd) Those things are acceptable for fans to do?
@@leiannb.wrytes8893 Sorry to burst your bubble, there were similar offensive posts directed against Clark, instead of victimization, state the whole story. And BS damn it, we grown af to be acting like don`t know what a groll is.
@leiannb.wrytes8893 what you are talking about are crazy people. They are not fans. And trolls are real and I guess they get a kick out of the trouble they cause.
“The fandom has more than 2 colors that like one”. Who is the player? And what are the colors? 🤔also, how many “colors” are there? 🙄
The toxic fans can go. Bye bye. You would find another reason to abandon your favorite and the W anyway so spare us the farewell speech, and don’t let the doorknob hit you on the way out. Those of us that watch the W because we appreciate the game will remain. You don’t have to make an announcement. Just…go away.
New Fan here (and only because of CC) WNBA&P Have not addressed the toxic jealousy that is so very obvious that would target to injure a 22-year-old. Her fans are still upset for having to see it continually with no correction, It’s appalling. This VP does not get to correct THE Fans until they apply correction to themselves. 🤨
All fans of all sports take it too far. These women need to quit bitching and play. Drama with these people is ruining the league.
She's smart and a business woman 😂 people are stupid and emotional. We always putting politics and race into sports. The goal is to make money. The Wnba has been a welfare league for 25 years. This is the first year that the Wnba has made a profit
They are on track to lose 5o million. They’re not making a profit.
You have ZERO idea what profits the WNBA is or isn't not making. You aren't that smart.
They will still lose 500k
@@IsaacBenton-y4y They’re on track to lose 50 million this season
@@IsaacBenton-y4y the goal is to make money, but not at the expense of the athletes health
You people are clueless. You can't control what trolls say online.
Its not a big deal people need to get over it she cant control people smh
I highly recommend everybody going back and watching videos all over. Players, coaches, ESPN, retired players, fake news podcasts . All of them being very disrespectful to Clark. Gino said she had not skills, not built for the league. Called her fans stupid and delusional because they were saying Clark would be successful in the league. Wilson said Her success, was related to her race, also that she could not be considered among the GOATS of college basketball because she did not won a championship at that level, same said B Stewart, Sheryl Swoops said a ton of lies to discredit Clark as well, D Taurassi lied as well, she said CC looked super human because her more than 100 individual awards in college, three times hers by the way, and her 45 plus individual records were set against 18 yrs old competition. LIES, Clark was cooking at 18 in college against mostly 22,23,24, and some 25 yrs old. very rarely you get to be starter at 18 in college. Clark is one of very few. She implied that it would take years for Clarks game to transcend to the hardest league in the world. Which MEMO by the way was not read by Clark, who has been playing at the level of the best veteran players to ever come into the league. Angel R as the opportunist that she is, try to collect on Clarks popularity by coming up to her in 2023. And the media, followed, and for the first half of this season, players, the league, the media, continued with the disrespect towards Clark by saying Angel was performing as the ROTY, when CC was breaking records left and right since day one. Yes day one, people forget she is the fastest player to ever score 50 points plus X amount of Assists, that was around a three game span. Near to a DD with point and Assist every game and near to several triple doubles. more than 15 and 20 points plus 8 Reb, 7-8 Assists several times. Better Stats that most guards called to the olympic team. But was called not talented enough by ESPN, and that her inclusion on the team would be a disgrace to the game and the league. Funny that three weeks later she cooked that Olympic team at will. On everybody's face Since she is so professional, humble, let my play do the talking kind of player. Her fans came to the rescue. And it was so much, so disrespectful, that some people took it personal, and maybe some said bad things, or used bad words on a commentary but it was all in response to so many insults to a person that had done nothing but play better than everybody else in college, championship or not, and its playing like the best at professional level too. These athletes say they care about women, and that they support each other, but it seems to be with a variation of the standards.
We have yet to have a perfect President/Commissioner - let’s hold folks accountable YES - but let’s not become so self-righteous that we call for people’s jobs every time they falter or don’t do things how we believe they should be done EVERY SINGLE TIME. Let’s help people be better at their jobs. Give em feedback and real talk - but saying Cathy should be fired for missing an opportunity to speak out against toxic fandom is WILD. We would have to fire EVERYBODY. We gon start coming for W players too? Cuz there are many missed opportunities if we keeping it 💯.
Yea I agree with you on this
Breanna Stewart made some good points. The WNBA and other professional leagues should be cautious, if they wake the sleeping giant, they will lose billions. As soft as many of them are, these athletes will come together force change.
Change twitter??? 😂😂😂 yeah good luck
@@SGriTa913 Ok.
😢Got to stay off the media we all know as black people and Angel Reese cannot do that😢 the talk about Angel Reese and the media brought to the basketball😅 this has nothing to do with CC AKA CaitlinClark Clark
You are 100% spot on, rational thinking … not a popular thing … you gained new a subscriber.
I thought it was weak initially, after the backlash she tried to mend or address the glaring issue. Let's be clear the thuggery going on is mostly been done by the veterans not these two accomplished rookies.
As usual Quita great commentary on what the ESPN's and Fox Sposts of the world who are not reporting.
How do you run a league full of activists? Can't please everyone. Stewie tiptoed around what a lot of players have already said. They have lumped new fans into a so called racist group. Wow. They have let internet trolls get to them. You can't speak to your fan base like that. No other sport has. Do they seriously believe Clark fans hate them? That is so naive. Turn off your social media and enjoy the game.
By NOT addressing it the first time, she drew more attention to the fact she didn't.
She can't control internet trolls, racists and homophobic people, but for Stewie to do a better job addressing this than the Commissioner is concerning.
Breanna Stewart says she wants her sport to be inclusive to race and gender? So dudes can play? I guess Griner is.
The better question would be why are you allowing thuggery when trying to grow the league? We need more consistent officiating. The bar should be how the NBA refs call their games. Up to two games ago 17% of flagrant fouls had been called against Caitlin. Could this be why two obvious flagrant fouls were not called against Minnesota? Like it or not the league has to enter a new age where they protect their stars! Or maybe they don’t care about losing 2/3 of their dollar value.
Wait a minute didn’t Brittany say we stick together, if that was so what the hell of a way to welcome Caitlin Clark! Saying CC needs a championship in college to be a great!! 😂 No love or sticking together for CC in the WNBA oh but we do have the flagrant fouls against CC that’s so welcoming!! Thanks so much Britany you really speak for all players of the WNBA!
Oh one of those flagrant fouls was Reece against CC and the way Reece dresses you would think she going to a strip show instead of dressing up for the public view. Common you dress like that you get sexualized period!! Not too hard to figure out!! Common sense!! So it’s not the new fans it’s the old guard we’re sick of the flagrant fouls, poor coaching unprofessionalism, bullying players from coaches -Hammond!! So don’t speak of such when you don’t know what you’re talking about!! Look at your ex player Sheryl Swoopes the racist hater!!! Should I go on… The WNBA needs to grow up and we all need to be better people and expand the WNBA so the players can get paid. But also Brittany you want your 3 ball league to strive so isn’t that a problem for the WNBA??? Just saying??? Lots of things to discuss isn’t there????
Cathy E getting around to address the question one day later is adequate. However, I’m still wondering what you think, Quita, about some of the hate and disrespect from some from the WNBA, such as Angel’s hateful cheering on of Carter’s flagrant body check, which hateful attitude was evident in 2023 when Reese taunted and stalked CC when LSU had the ball with less than 10 seconds to go. That was classless. Instead of celebrating the national championship win with her teammates, Reese chose to focus on CC for those last 10 seconds. Perhaps racism wasn’t part of Angel’s pettiness, but why was she so obsessed with CC? By then Hailey VanLith and CC had already given their accounts of the you-can’t-see-me gesture when VanLith was at Louisville, so Reese’s explanation didn’t hold up. But what about Sheryl Swoopes’ hatefulness and disrespect of CC? There are indications that race might be a part of SS’s irrational attitude. Thankfully, she was removed from broadcasting the Fever game and Nancy Lieberman was a welcome substitution.
WNBA players need to stop pushing non-basketball agendas.
I thought her original comment in the interview was fine. She said they welcome diversity and to ignore trolls.
Quit being so sensitive and just hoop.
Ok thanks for sharing
Not wanting literal death threats hurled at players over a game is being “sensitive”?
The rivalry between Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese was obviously forced. There was no real rivalry, especially between rookies. Kamilla Cardoso is the better rookie on Chicago Sky and her rookie season was sacrificed to feed Angel Reese McDoubles.
I wouldn't mind if everyone was nice to each other. I prefer watching clean games.
Player needless aggression and inconsistent referee calls. That’s what needs to be cleaned up immediately.
Stewart talking about united as a league yet treated CC the way they did and still do!
As vice president - you should do better!
“As a league, we stick together”.
Laughable.
"Reality is coming", started this whole thing taking off.
Nope, CC fanbase saying she was the best Player on the Planet started all this. All before CC ever played 1 minute in the WNBA. Then when reality did come and the FEVER had one of the Worst Records in the WNBA this year, the CC fans ran around blaming Coach Sides and everyone else but CC. Including CC teammates But now that the FEVER will be in the playoffs, folks like your want to conveniently forget all that. Now you want to put CC in the MVP talks when she should not even remotely be consider in the Top Ten most talented current WNBA Players. You don't want to accept these very FACTS.
@@natureredux1957you’re missing the point. You can’t use social media to measure anything, and if you engage with trolls, that only feeds them and adjusts your algorithm.
@@dschrute8 Nope, you just don't understand how the real World Works. Before there was the internet, the exact same folks used the Written Media to achieve the exact same Goals. This has been going on since humans invented communication between each other.
Diana put the target mark on Caitlin which automatically extended to Reese.
@@natureredux1957 Reese started it by taunting CC after the championship and bringing RACE into it , She said I did it for all the girls who look like me and on and on
Nobody hated CC until that moment and she didn't do anything
Let's start with the most significant fact that no one wants to address... the players don't own the WNBA! Owners are starting to reap the financial benefits of the CC effect at an alarming pace. Change is not only difficult, but it's coming faster than anyone imagined. And as s a result the old guard is being pushed into the "WNBA Abyss." When it comes to how race impacts professional sports, consider this prominent Business review... 97% of all sports franchises are White owned; 98% of the corporate sponsors are White owned; and 87% of season ticket holders in every sport are White. Owners will always follow the money and they're not going to piss off a predominantly White fan base. Yes, Blacks make up a significant portion of professional rosters.... but the players know who call the shots financially. The WNBA owners are having to grow-up or get bought out. That's the reality. Over the next two seasons the W won't be the same... hanging around on a roster for 10 to 15 years will be a thing of the past. More thought will go into the draft process. Fans will be watching big time. Angel Reese is a better than average rookie at best. She's slow, and gets caught flat footed to often. Not to mention inaccurate with her shots. If the Sky improve without her, her time in Chicago will be scrutinized and short lived. Quite I enjoy your program.
This is painful. Why does everything become drama.
Getting old. The players are causing a lot of it.
Even if Cathy woidhve said something.
Nobody who does it will care.
W players upset at Cathy but were silent during the Hamby situation 😂😂😂😂
She said what’s they’re all thinking. Doesn’t surprise me/us at all.
Why did Stewie read the room and get it right and the Commissioner tone deaf and got it wrong? Updating your comments to say “ racism is not tolerated in the WNBA” 2 days later is inexcusable. There are thousands of capable executives who can replace her.
I bet if we were talking about antisemitism, the right words would have “found her” in the moment.
CC is clearly the top canidate for both ROTY & MVP.
You are delusional.
I fully agree with Terri and her comment. Kathy's updated comment was enough for now, but something should have been said sooner. I think that perhaps she was waiting it out to let things settle, which it has quite a bit. My biggest issue was with the social media influencers. Majority of which were men, some former NBA players that never gave a damn about the WNBA before, were stirring hatred, judgement, racisim, and totally opening dialog to tear down players, coaches, and the WNBA as a whole. Stating many players were horrible, coaches that needed to be fired, and the WNBA needed to be taken down for the violence it perpetuated. All of this should have been addressed by the WNBA commissioner. I know she didn't want to hurt this new fan base frenzy so she was sort of rock in a hard place.
The commissioner is a mouthpiece for the league, speaking to the publc should be in her wheelhouse without having to amend herself or doubling back to reinterpret mis-speak, after all, she's a speaker.
Blaming fans or social media is an excuse, if, as you say, this is a business, treat it like a business, not a frickin sorority.
Fans want the obvious court violence to stop, if grown ass woman can't navigate words, maybe they're in the wrong racket?
First of all, it's a false equivalency to compare Angel's fans and Caitlin's fans because only one fanbase is spewing hatred, bigotry, and threats. That was a weak statement by Cathy. The absolute least she could do after being called out literally all day long by players, media and fans. That was a softball question, and Cathy dropped the ball because she doesn't care about these players. She should be so embarrassed that the league MVP, Breanna Stewart, has had to push back on her foolishness all season long. She needs to go.
The bullies complaining about getting bullied.
Moral of the story is; when playing the villain doesn't go as planned, switch to playing the victim.
Quita, as always, thank you for the passion you have for the game and for sharing it with us. I am in agreement with you that the statement was enough. Although once the fire was lit, she was in a no-win situation. The public calls for an apology, gets one, then wants more. This behavior is rampant in our culture, and with the increase in interest in the WNBA the league is no longer immune to the scrutiny that comes with popularity.
New subscriber and yes, I agree with your take on this. The hateful messages have no place, but you make a great point the vast majority of fans are positive. Focusing too much on the negative isn't helpful.
Cathy's initial answer was a canned response that literally squared polarized hate as appropriate marketing campaigns.
That she is now correcting with a post is sadly insufficient and won't quell the creeps she enabled and greenlighted. She needs to be gone!
Majority of the players are disappointed that the wrong kind of moses is taking them to the promised land.
The fog whistle went out early, and never-seen-before defense was thrown at Caitlin. She took some hard hits, but it wasn't outrageous. Most of that is done. They play her rough because she is awesome, and the refs allow it against all players.
@@Oneanddone14 almost guaranteed paige buecker will get hurt in wnba.
Love what She said. Give Cathy a raise.
She should be attacking Sky not the fans
Time to put Sheryl Swoopes in as commissioner. She understands the higher purpose of the WNBA, and will fix the Caitlin Clark problem.
The WNPA statement was perfect!!!!
She don’t care, CC is her favorite. Period. She did not answer the question from the start. She needs to go
Her waiting until nearly 11pm to make a tweet lets me know she wasn’t going to respond to the backlash. Stewie is a star in this league so her comments hold more weight which prompted Cathy to make a statement before more big names made statements. You shouldn’t need prepared statement to denounce racism if you are a half decent human being.
I understand Stewie and the WNBPA being disappointed with Cathy's response. In a situation like that, when a BRIGHT spotlight is put on a problem facing The W, you'd want your leader to have a clear, direct, "No. We are NOT having that" message. The "Hey, competition is great" response not only feels like a letdown to the players, but also seems to invite more of this negative behavior in the name of "competition" and "rivalry". And while that sounds good for short-term business goals, it's a TURRBULL (to use Barkley's word) foundation to build on going forward. It'll only sell tickets for a little while and normalize that behavior in newer fans. They're think that's how you're SUPPOSED to interact with the WNBA.
But I don't think it's anywhere near a "She should be fired" situation. It was a mistake and a missed opportunity, but that's it. Wanting her fired is as much an overreaction as the "fans" who think CC should be ROTY + MVP + Olympic Starter + The Next US President + The Queen Of Errythang.
You know who gets the most racist comments, black men that like Caitlin, definitely want to hear what these black organizations have to say about racism
I think the officiating needs to be addressed, and the assaults need to be addressed. Look I get physical tough play… but the “assaults” need to be addressed. They need to differentiate and define the two, and take steps to “protect” the players!
I think the old guard wants CC out of the league. They know that trolls come with fame. They didn't get many trolls before because no one, except for a small fan base, cared. Stewie saying she wants an inclusive fan base is code for: we don't want white conservatives in the fan base. In fact, they would like CC out of the league.
CC has broken multiple league records as a rookie. She has turned the Fever from a joke into a contender. She has shown up the older players as perhaps being not quite as good as advertised. She keeps her mouth shut and only shows class, something some of the players could learn from. They can't stand her. They've already tried giving the Fever an impossible schedule in her first 11 games, bullying her, roughing her up and bad-mouthing her. Nothing has worked, so the next step is to DEI her out of the league.
There is nothing CC can do about it. Don't feed the trolls is the first rule of the internet. Nothing CC says will do anything but make it worse.
Prediction: the trolls will spiral out of control, CC will be blamed and forced from the league. Then the WNBA will go back to the obscurity it so richly deserves.