Rocky Marciano (USA) vs Don Cockell (UK) | KNOCKOUT Fight | 4K Ultra HD
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Rocky Marciano 189 lbs beat Don Cockell 205 lbs by TKO at 0:54 in round 9 of 15
Date: 1955-05-16
Location: Kezar Stadium, San Francisco, California, USA
Referee: Frankie Brown
World Heavyweight Championship (5th defense by Marciano)
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Marciano was a hell of a fighter💀
yes and was not controlled by politics etc.....fair fighter and one of the best...
Before there was Frazier there was Rocky,looking like a bantamweight punching like a truck,put a dude in a coma and broke a dude's arms, he's somewhat way ahead of his time,some said he fought bums but the truth is that's the best fighters he got on his era.
LIMITLESS stamina
Southpaw Usyk is actually bigger than Ali. Joshua came in at 240-lbs, only an 18 lb weight advantage over a comfortable 222-lb Usyk who is 6' 3" with 78" reach.
Prime Clay/Ali was 6' 2.5" (passport) 212-lbs with 78" reach.
Holyfield was 6' 2.5" 218-lbs with 78" reach.
Michael Spinks was 6' 2.5" 208-lbs with 76" reach.
Mike Tyson was 5' 10" 220-lbs with 71" reach.
David Tua was 5' 10" 240-lbs with 71" reach.
And of course we mustn't forget 5' 10" 185-lb Marciano with his extremely famous "Shortest-Ever" 67" "Flyweight" reach.
Shocking isn't it. Those other small guys weren't so small after all. They had the natural weight advantage or the natural height and reach advantage so they were able to assimilate into the Heavyweight division with few to no problems. On the other hand 185-lb Marciano had some serious dwarfism problems going on with his reach. Simply put Marciano's bone structure was too short to assimilate effectively.
"Walking around weight" isn't a useful metric for determining a boxer's ideal weight division or in-the-ring weight unless one knows--at the very least--the boxer's bodyfat percentage at his "walking around weight". Some boxers stay lean between fights, others get quite fat. Marciano always stayed lean. For 7 years his average weight was 184lbs. His fighting weight of 184-189lbs during his title defences, he was not incredibly lean and he wasn't dehydrated; he was, in other words, a natural light heavyweight or very small cruiserweight by today's standards. Marciano never was nor could ever be a natural 200+lb Heavyweight.
It wasn't until after Marciano's death in 1969 that his fame really started to grow. Don't get me wrong, he was extremely famous to the Italians on the east coast during his very short 7 year boxing career but that was about it. After his death is when all the exaggerated articles begin to appear. 1977 was when his first biography was written. Then it just grew and grew. But before that he wasn't even on the radar. All the boxing historians and professionals that actually saw him fight never had him ranked higher than 8th place on the ATG Heavyweight list in 1962. So how does a 185-lb man with dwarfism arms go from 8th place in 1962 to top-5 Super Heavyweight in 2023?
One would think since little white Marciano was only 185 that he would at least have faster hands than the true Heavyweights right? But Maricano had the slowest hands I've ever seen on a white boy.
Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.
Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.
Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.
Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.
Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see who he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.
Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.
Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.
Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-level resume. Problem is he was a natural middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight. Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. I thought this was the Heavyweight division? Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight champion?
Even Marciano's best 3 opponents; Walcott-Charles-Moore lost (68) times and were KO'd (20) times. Marciano never faced an elite fighter in his prime. Name one, just one prime elite fighter Marciano beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Walcott Charles Moore were in their prime when they fought Marciano?
Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs (F-level)
Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs (F-level)
Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs (F-level)
John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs (F-level)
Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs (F-level)
Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs (D-level)
Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs (D-level)
James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs (D-level)
Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs (D-level)
Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs (F-level)
Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs (F-level)
Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs (F-level)
Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs (F-level)
Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs (D-level)
Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs (D to F-level)
Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs (D-level)
Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs (F-level)
Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs (F-level)
Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs (F-level)
Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs (F-level)
Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs (D to F-level)
Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs (D to F-level)
Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs (D-level)
Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs (D-level)
Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs (D-level)
Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs (D to F-level)
Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs (F-level)
Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs (D-level)
Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs (D-level)
Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs (D-level)
Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs (D-level)
Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs (D-level)
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@@TheTruthTalker_ It says in the book "The Greatest Fights... That Never Were" -by Matthew Bazell, that Marciano wanted absolutely nothing to do with Floyd Patterson. Marciano was offered 2 MILLION dollars. The Patterson people including Cus wanted that fight so bad. But Marciano wouldn't take it no matter how much he was offered. -(Rocky talks about all his multi-million dollar offers over at The Marciano Tapes #3).
...it's only been 14 months since Marciano fought Moore and the defeatism in Marciano's voice is undeniably resigned to futility. He is flabbergasted at Patterson's blinding speed and quickly realizes it would be pointless to comeback even though every sportswriter across America begged him to come out of retirement after Patterson just walked through everything Moore threw without blinking and KO’d Archie in 5.
Directly after Patterson beat Moore for the vacant heavyweight championship Cus D'Amato suggested that the return of Rocky Marciano to the ring would be most welcome and would draw "the greatest gate in history." Marciano declined!!! -- written by Vault | SI December 10, 1956 by Martin Kane
(Marciano calls the Patterson/Moore fight @-(Floyd Patterson vs Archie Moore by SPORTvidos)
@@TheTruthTalker_ Combined, Walcott Charles Moore lost (68) times and were KO'd (20) times. Had little Rocky never existed nobody would even be talkin bout Walcott Charles Moore. Truth is Marciano fans could careless about Walcott Charles Moore otherwise they would never denigrate and belittle other black fighters such as Ali Liston Holmes Tyson Wilder. I've studied Marciano extensively for one year and it just dawned on me that is exactly what's happening. Rocky fans always besmirch black fighters EXCEPT for Walcott Charles Moore. I've witnessed it hundreds of times, pure Hate for Liston Holmes Tyson, yet pure Love for Walcott Charles Moore.
@@TheTruthTalker_ Rocky Marciano said, “I think Ted Lowry would have gone the distance if we had fought a hundred times. I could never get used to his style of fighting.” All the observers in attendance thought Lowry won their first match. So did Lowry. Marciano’s manager, Al Weill, “was very connected,” said Lowry.
"Marty Marshalls fighting style was very similar to Ted Lowry's" -- Vault | SI ....(In other words Marty Marshall would have beaten Marciano just like Lowry did). Don't forget Marty Marshall easily KO'd Satterfield in 2-rounds.
The great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD
1950s were about the Light heavyweights "Not" the Heavyweights. Light heavyweights Moore, Charles, Maxim, Bivins, Johnson, Pastrano, Marshall, Matthews, Haft, Lowry, Applegate, Jefferson etc, fought back and forth amongst themselves 40+times.
Besides Light heavyweights Charles and Moore, another boxer that caused havoc for little Marciano was Cruiserweight Walcott who lost to Light heavyweight's Charles 'twice',, Fox 'twice',, Maxim,, Brothers,, Taylor,, AND "middleweights" Mays,, Palmer,, Ketchell.
Overall Walcott Lost (20) times and was KOd (6) times. Walcott's most notable victories include wins over Light heavy Charles, Light heavy Maxim, and Light heavy Johnson. Charles Lost (25) times and was KOd (7) times. Maxim Lost (29) times and was KO'd (1) time. Johnson Lost (11) times and was KO'd (5) times.
Journeyman Joe lost throughout his entire career, beginning, middle, end. He fought for the title 6 times and lost 5 times. Walcott is "Not" an ATG. At best he is C-level Journeyman. In summary Marciano's 3 best opponents were two Light heavyweights and one Cruiserweight. To make matters worse Moore was factually 41yrs old and Walcott was 39 when he intentionally took a dive for his last huge paycheck. *Marciano even fought two "middleweights" Eddie Ross and Harry Bilazarian.
🔥Paranoid psychoses and other symptoms Marciano suffered--@ '1993/08/23 THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI
Read the article you recommended. It was excellent. Thank you.
Oct 21, 2021 - Just saw King Fury with his family on the beach singin songs with his fans. This man is the real people's Champion!!! Long live the King!!! In Fury we literally have a real life Rocky, not that little-dwarf who abandoned his kids and wife to sleep with thousands then left them penniless.
Vid is called -- "Tyson Fury pads workout on the beach with John Fury last summer while crowds of people watch"
(*symptoms Marciano suffered*)--e.g. @ "1993/08/23 THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI"
Gypsy King Fury would keep little white Rocky at arm's length and force him back whenever he felt crowded. He'd jab, turn and bewilder him for as long as wanted, and if Fury felt so inclined, he'd walk him down Kronk style and smash out a stoppage. And none of this, "if he can't reach his head he'll go to the body", either. That's just bull****. Fury's lead would keep Marciano too far away as is. He ain't getting the opportunities to impose his workrate and definitely doesn't hit hard enough to stop him. Fury jabs him into oblivion. Heck, Fury can land 4 or 5 jabs a round and win the round. King Fury wins. Anyway he chooses.
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Don Cockrell was a brave man only a few could survived that beat down that long..
When "The President" Nigerian Ike Ibeabuchi met "The Tuamanator" Samoan David Tua the Nigerian got out to an insanely fast start, throwing 91 punches in round one according to CompuBox, 91 again in round two, and 95 in round three, obscene numbers for a Heavyweight. By the final bell, Ibeabuchi and Tua had combined to throw 1,730 punches, breaking the Heavyweight record set by Ali vs Frazier III, when they combined for 1,591 punches - in 14 rounds, two rounds more than Ibeabuchi and Tua had to work with. Ike threw 975 punches, the most ever by a single Heavyweight. Both fighters had a brawling fight style, they were both 24 years old at the time of this epic "tribal" battle, and they were both undefeated going in to this fight. 226lb Tua's record stood at 27-0-0 23KO's while 236lb Ibeabuchi's record stood at 16-0-0 12KO's. This fight is the stuff that dreams were made of. Two warriors stood toe to toe and gave it their all, showing exceptional heart and endurance.
I try my best to envision light heavyweights Charles & Moore fightin "The Tuamanator" and always end up laughing. And "The President" would have walked through cruiserweights Marciano & Walcott as if they were invisible.
Imagine penguin arms tryin to fight top-notch Super Heavyweights with 80" to 85" albatross wingspans and 40 to 90 pound weight advantages?
184 pounds??? give me a break... what a joke...
Marciano was the best during his little post war era three generations ago but unfortunately he would not be relevant against today's top-notch Super Heavyweights similar to undefeated 270lb Joyce
undefeated 263lb Makhmudov
undefeated 248lb Sanchez
undefeated 247lb Hrgovic
undefeated 245lb Anderson
and undefeated 275lb Fury just to name a few.
And then there's so many other real-Heavyweights little Rocky couldn't handle similar to:
Ibeabuchi
Lewis
Bowe
Vitali
Ruddock
Witherspoon
Grant
Bruno
Holmes
Ali
Foreman
Liston
Tyson
Tua
Usyk
Wladimir
Ruiz
Parker
Ortiz
Dokes
Lyle
Thomas
Weaver
Briggs
Morrison
Cooney
Wilder
I could easily list another twenty-five!!!
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@black David Frost You're not a 'bot', just a butt.
Cry curse yell blow snot bubbles the facts remain "unbeaten" the rest is speculation
@@Robert_Levi_Miller people werent steriod up then people were just smaller. take a break junior go hate on someone that wasnt unbeaten
@@Robert_Levi_Miller yawn
Those old-school heavyweight champions like 165 lb Fitzsimmons, 175 lb Burns, 181 lb Charles, 182 lb Patterson and 184 lb Marciano are Gone Finished History. Welcome to the New SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT era that little Rocky wouldn't even be allowed to enter.
The great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD
Southpaw 200 lb Cruiserweight Usyk is actually bigger than Ali. Joshua came in at 240 lbs, only an 18 lb weight advantage over Usyk 222 lbs 6'3.2" height 78.2" reach. Holyfield 218 lbs 6'2.5" height 78" reach. Michael Spinks 208 lbs 6' 2.5" height 76" reach. Ali 215 lbs 6'2.5" (passport) height 78" reach. And of course we mustn't forget 185 lb 5'10" Rocky with his famously shortest "ever" 67" inch bantamweight T-rex alligator arm reach.
Maybe little white Rocky could have beaten that circus clown Jess Willard who was paraded around for 4 years without a single fight. Or maybe he could have even beat that other circus clown Primo Carnera who was daily alcoholic (like Andre the Giant) and 100% mafioso controlled. The ‘ambling alp’ was an awful boxer with gigantism or acromegaly (like Andre the Giant). He was promoted as a monster because of his size, but he was really clumsy and couldn`t punch with his full weight, he was completely exposed by Joe Louis who easily battered Primo into submission.
Y'all white Marciano lovers fail to ever mention Marciano's Forced retirement. Why? Because Marciano couldn't take the pain anymore from two confirmed nose surgeries, hand surgery, hundreds of stitches, chronic back pain and constant migraines cause his head was used as a Pinata constantly gettin smacked around,, here,, you hit me five times,, and I'll hit you back one time,, Duh. And all that talk about retiring for his family nonsense was simply a bull•••• publicity stunt because he immediately abandoned his family and left them penniless when he perished.
Spoken like a true jealous little moolie
Size obviously matters otherwise boxing wouldn't have 18 different weight classes. Featherweights would be fightin middleweights and cruisers would be fightin Super Heavies. There are no height divisions, age divisions or reach division, because weight at heavyweight boxing is one of the most important factor.
Super Heavyweights are increasing because eastern European fighters are now allowed to fight in USA since around 2000 and international travel is much easier compared to 30 40 50 years ago. Perfect example would be the ATG Klitschko brothers who dominated Super Heavyweight boxing for 20YRS!!!!
72yr old boxing legend Larry Holmes recently said, "there should be a size limit on heavyweights after giant Tyson Fury took over the division."
"The heavier opponent will have an advantage as they have increased muscle mass, allowing them to hit harder and withstand strikes from their opponent more easily. It is for this reason that combat sports separate fighters based on weight class" - by MMA Combat Sports
Even a new Bridgerweight division (200 to 224 lbs) has recently been added because too many 210lb heavyweights complained. We'll never see 181lb Charles, 182lb Patterson or 184lb Marciano as 'Heavyweight' champions again!
Boxing has evolved: [[[[[ 🏋️""SIZE-MATTERS""🏋️ ]]]]]
NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF BOXING HAS A 190 LB MAN BEAT AN ELITE SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT BOXING CHAMPION🥊
Y'all fail to ever mention Marciano's Forced retirement. Why? Because Marciano couldn't take the pain anymore from two confirmed nose surgeries, hand surgery, hundreds of stitches, chronic back pain and constant migraines cause his head was used as a Pinata constantly gettin smacked around,, here,, you hit me five times,, and I'll hit you back one time,, Duh. And all that talk about retiring for his family nonsense was simply a bull•••• publicity stunt because he immediately abandoned his family and left them penniless when he perished.
Blimey,Ive never seen this full version, Cockell could really take a punch...9 rounds with Rocky!
Being able to take a punch is something I wouldn't want to be known for.😉
Rocky will not louse fight from Ali Marciano will learn Ali lesson Marciano was great on top
Southpaw Usyk is actually bigger than Ali. Joshua came in at 240 lbs, only an 18 lb weight advantage over a comfortable 222 lb Usyk who is 6' 3" with 78" reach.
Holyfield was 6' 2.5" 218 lbs with 78" reach.
Michael Spinks was 6' 2.5" 208 lbs with 76" reach.
Prime Clay/Ali was 6' 2.5" (passport) 212 lbs with 78" reach.
And of course we mustn't forget 5'10" 186 lb Marciano with his famous shortest-ever 67" flyweight reach.
Shocking isn't it.
Those other small guys weren't so small after all.
They already had the natural height and reach so they were able to assimilate into the Heavyweight division with few problems.
On the other hand 186 lb Marciano had some serious dwarfism problems going on with his reach. Simply put Marciano's bone structure was too short to assimilate effectively.
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I know, how did he break bones and paralysize a man
Yeah right.....He was so small that he's the only HW to retire with a perfect record. 49-0.
I quite enjoyed the 100 Greatest Heavyweight series, and it got me thinking about how nice a boost "Time" tends to give to a fighters ranking.
Rocky Marciano's All-Time ranking in 1962
" In December 1962, a Ring magazine poll of 40
boxing experts had Jack Dempsey rated the
#1 Heavyweight of All-Time, with Joe Louis
2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano 7th."
In 1971
" In 1971, Nat Fleischer, boxing's most
famous historian and also editor and founder
of Ring magazine , named Marciano as the
All-Time 10th Greatest Heavyweight Champion."
But by 1998, despite the intervening years producing the likes of Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Lewis, Klitschko's et al, " In 1998, Ring named Marciano as the 6th Greatest Heavyweight Champion ever."
We float around to 2005, and " In 2005,
Marciano was named the 5th Greatest
Heavyweight of All-Time by the International
Boxing Research Organization."
We skip to the modern day,
and he's just been bumped up to 3rd.
Will he one day be Greater than Ali?
Just find it an interesting aspect of boxing,
that "0" carries a-lot of clout.
Rocky fans always use his "0" as their main argument to prop him up. I suggest you research Marciano's opponents, analyze their records, review who he beat. For example have you even bothered to look at the guys LaStarza beat and their records before fighting Marciano?
And regarding cherry picking quotes praising Marciano, you honestly don't think I could find twice as many narratives about the greatness of Prime Louis or Prime Ali or Prime Foreman or Prime Holmes or Prime Lennox or Prime Vitali or Prime Tyson or Prime Fury or Prime Ibeabuchi or Prime Frazier etcetera.
I don't have a problem if Marciano is your favorite fighter, but you're heading down a slippery slope if you're trying to make the case for him being the best "Heavyweight" ever.
During the deepest era in Light heavyweight history Gold Medalist Undisputed "Undefeated" HOF ATG GOAT Michael Spinks beat Eddie Mustafa Muhammad, Dwight Muhammad Qawi, and knocked out Yaqui Lopes and Marvin Johnson. Which was not easy to do in their primes. Michael also beat Heavyweight champion Larry Holmes to win the title, who was also undefeated. Michael Spinks is the most accomplished Light heavyweight in history.
Light heavyweight Charles Lost (25) times and was KOd (7) times.
Light heavyweight Moore Lost (23) times and was KOd (7) times.
Can someone please explain why Charles and Moore ranks higher?
Could it be because they fought little Marciano
which automatically makes them immortal,
even though they lost ""FORTY-EIGHT"" times
and were ""KTFO-FOURTEEN"" times?
All's i know is his "0" holds no clout.
@@Robert_Levi_Miller Spinks barely had 30 fights while Charles and Moore had a combined 300+. You weirdos love shitting on old fighters for some reason while only telling half the story.
Lets take a look at your theory that time tends to boost a fighters ranking. Lets take guys like Jack Dempsey, Gene Tunney, and Jack Johnson. Has time given those fighters ranking a boost? If your theory is correct, it definitely would and they would widely be considered the 3 best HW's of all time. After all, much more time has passed since their career ended than Rocky. .
@@originalBobbyd *Someone (you) just lost their 4 year account for spamming constant hatred. Thousands and thousands of comments simply vanished in a blink of an eye. Someone (you) is now working around the clock desperately trying to save face with his brand new 1 day old account LMFAO* 😂
As of 2023 Mr. Marciano is the 1st of 2 undefeated heavyweight champions 🏆 of the world! Yes there have been other great heavyweight champs but they were defeated before their reigns ended except one, Tyson Fury's record is 34 fights 33 wins 0 losses 1 Draw 🏆 Rocky's record 49 fights 49 wins stands on it's own! 🥊🏆 R.I.P. CHAMP NOT FORGOTTEN 🙏
Honestly I don't care about amusing anecdotes, cherry picked quotes and his embellished feats because you can do that with every great fighter. What I care about is how many great boxers in their prime or close to their prime did he beat? The best fighters he beat was a 37 year old Joe Louis (who's best years were in his mid-20's around 1938 and 1939), 38-39 year old Walcott, 41 year old Moore and a past his prime Charles. Y'all claim Charles wasn't the same fighter after fighting Marciano. Well he wasn't the same after losing twice to Walcott. Charles lost two of his previous four fights before fighting Marciano and Rocky had all kinds of trouble with him.
Coming from a man who has probably never boxed. Marciano was a huge reason why people bought television. He was entertaining to watch and compared to most men, Marciano’s physic was sometimes 20lbs below them. He was a man who could take a punch and keep dishing it, his dedication was like no other. He started at such an older age and for him to take people out with yearrrrrs of experience on him is impressive. It just goes to show, no matter the athleticism no matter the weight difference or experience. It takes one individual with unparalleled dedication and fortitude to make a warrior. Be humble, never speak negatively on the dead. It shows jealousy at its finest, something you will never be able to experience but sit behind a keyboard and judge.
When Rocky fought Joe Louis, Rocky had only been fighting for 2 years. Louis was fighting since he as 17. So Joe Louis had years of more experience than Rocky did. When Rocky fought Walcott, Walcott was the heavyweight champion of the world. How was he past his prime. He was in his prime.
👑Fury is a titan amongst mere mortals. Generations of dna forged to create the perfect Super Heavyweight boxer. I'm grateful to see him in my lifetime. A focused Fury is boxing evolved to it's highest state ever. 277 lbs of brutal jabs, snappy punches, slick head movement, good footwork, granite chin, relaxed stamina and great intelligence.
Not even 5 in top greatest ever.and hi is just 200cm, not more.i just 9 cm less than him, and I see people taller than me every day, he s not so big as they told everyone
@@user-og1ei9qk4p little Rocky was only 175cm and only weighed 184lbs when he won his Super Heavyweight title.. embarrassing
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RANK -- POINTS -- NAME -- DECADES QUALIFIED
#1 -- 164 points -- Muhammad Ali -- 1960s, 1970s
#2 -- 138 points -- Joe Louis -- 1930s, 1940s
#3 -- 136 points -- Wladimir Klitschko -- 2000s, 2010s
#4 -- 111 points -- Lennox Lewis -- 1990s, 2000s
#5 -- 109 points -- Evander Holyfield -- 1980s, 1990s
#6 -- 95 points -- Floyd Patterson -- 1950s, 1960s
#7 -- 88 points -- Larry Holmes -- 1970s, 1980s
#8 -- 86 points -- George Foreman -- 1970s, 1990s
#9 -- 84 points -- Joe Frazier -- 1960s, 1970s
#10 -- 77 points -- Mike Tyson -- 1980s, 1990s
#20 -- 48 points -- Rocky Marciano -- 1950s
08 for 1951
10 for 1952
10 for 1953
10 for 1954
10 for 1955 = 48 points
"TOP 10 HEAVYWEIGHTS BY DECADE" -- from Rummy's Corner
@@user-og1ei9qk4p There are few Heavyweight champions in the history of boxing that are better known for their losses than their wins. Jersey Joe Walcott's high profile losses is what elevated his status and built up his credentials, not his wins.
During his peak championship years, Walcott scored 7 wins with 5 KO's. Only one of those KO's came against a ranked fighter, that being Ezzard Charles. During this time Walcott also lost 7 times and suffered 10 count KO's 3 times and a 9 count once. In total fights during this time Walcott's record was 7-7. In title fights he went 2-6 with 1 KO win and 3 KO losses. He fought 3 different men in his 8 title fights, was defeated by each of them twice, KO'd by two of them and only defeated one of them.
In his overall career Walcott had a 49-20-1 record and was KO'd 6 times (BoxRec). Based on these less than impressive stats it is difficult to consider him anymore than a good Journeyman.
Walcott scored 32 KO's in 70 fights. The only two ranked fighters Walcott ever KO'd was an off the floor 10th round win over Curtis Sheppard and the lightning in the bottle KO of Ezzard Charles.
Walcott is a prime example of boxing historians rating a fighter higher than he deserves based on impressive losses. Walcott was winless in all 4 of his fights vs. Louis/Marciano and was KO'd 3 times.
The fact that Walcott was granted 6 title attempts in a 6 year span speaks volumes about how weak the Heavyweight division must have been at this time. Five of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott loss.
Had Walcott been fighting in the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, 2000's, there is no way he would have been granted this many opportunities after losing so many title attempts.
Walcott should at best be remembered not as a great Heavyweight champion, but a good C-Level Journeyman.
*If a fighter today had 20 losses and was KO'd 6 times he'd be considered F-level. Wilder and Joshua only have 5 losses between them yet they are already considered has-beens. But it's perfectly fine for Walcott Charles Moore to have (68) losses (double standard).
*Lennox Lewis was KO'd 2 times and his top-10 ranking has suffered ever since. But it's perfectly fine for Walcott Charles Moore to have been KO'd (20) times (double standard).
*If King Fury losses just "ONE" time his top-10 credibility will be in jeopardy forever (double standard).
@@user-og1ei9qk4p WALCOTT LOSSES:
1. In 1930 Walcott was DISQUALIFIED-(loss) vs. KO Palmer. Walcott intentionally hit 159-pound Palmer in the back of his neck while he was draped over the ropes. *Where is the Heavyweights? In 1930 Marciano was "SEVEN" years old.
2. In 1931 163-pound Walcott lost by decision to 158-pound Carl Mays. *Is this the Heavyweight division? Marciano was "EIGHT" years old.
3. In 1933 Walcott lost by decision to 177-pound Henry Taylor. *Where is the Heavyweights? Marciano was "TEN" years old.
4. In 1936 Walcott was "KOd" by 191-pound Al Ettore. Marciano was "THIRTEEN" years old.
5. In 1936 Walcott lost by decision to 179-pound Billy Ketchell. *Where is the Heavyweights? Marciano was "THIRTEEN" years old.
6. In 1937 Walcott was"KOd" by 178-pound Tiger Jack Fox. *Where is the Heavyweights? Marciano was "FOURTEEN" years old.
7. In 1937 Walcott lost by decision to 174-pound George Brothers. *Where is the Heavyweight division? Marciano was "FOURTEEN" years old.
8. In 1938 Walcott lost by decision to 184-pound Tiger Jack Fox "Again". *Where is the Heavyweights? Marciano was "FIFTEEN" years old.
9. In 1938 Walcott lost by decision to 197-pound Roy Lazer. Marciano was "FIFTEEN" years old.
10. In 1940 Walcott was "KOd" AND "retired" for three years by 256-pound Abe Simon. Hey, a-real Super Heavyweight. Simon's best stuff was size and brute strength. Unfortunately he was a poor boxer with terrible defense. Abe retired in 1942. Marciano was "SEVENTEEN" years old.
11. In 1945 Walcott lost by decision to 204-pound Johnny Allen who had more losses than wins. Marciano was "TWENTY TWO" years old.
12. In 1946 Walcott lost by decision to 179-pound Joey Maxim. *Is this the Heavyweight division? Marciano was "TWENTY THREE" years old.
13. In 1946 Walcott lost by decision to 191-pound Elmer Ray. Marciano was "TWENTY THREE" years old.
14. In 1947 Walcott lost by decision to 212-pound Joe Louis. Marciano was "TWENTY FOUR" years old.
15. In 1948 Walcott was KOd by 213-pound Joe Louis. Louis barely got through the C-level cruiserweight Journeyman Walcott so he announced his retirement on March 1, 1949 because his once speedy reflexes were non-existent. Louis was completely washed and it showed. Marciano was "TWENTY FIVE" years old.
16. In 1949 Walcott lost by decision to 181-pound Ezzard Charles. This fight was for the ""vacant"" Heavyweight title. *Where is the Heavyweights? Marciano was "TWENTY SIX" years old.
17. In 1950 Walcott lost by decision to 192-pound Rex Layne. Marciano was "TWENTY SEVEN" years old.
18. In 1951 Walcott lost by decision to 185-pound Ezzard Charles. *Where is the Heavyweights? Marciano was "TWENTY EIGHT" years old.
19. In 1952 Walcott was KOd by 184-pound Rocky Marciano. *Where is the Heavyweights? Marciano was "TWENTY NINE" years old..
IT IS VIRTUALLY IMPRACTICAL THAT WALCOTT WAS IN HIS PRIME vs. MARCIANO BECAUSE IT IS SCIENTIFICALLY AND MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE!!!! AND JUST BECAUSE YOU SAY HE WAS PRIME DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE!!!! PUT WALCOTT AT (( 29 )) AND MARCIANO AT (( 38 )) WHAT HAPPENS??
20. In 1953 Walcott was KOd by 184-pound Rocky Marciano. *Where is the Heavyweights? Marciano was "THIRTY" years old and Walcott was very close to "FORTY"!!!!
( It was advantageous that Marciano started late because he was fresh while the others were already smashed around lik bowling pins for (15) years. Also little Rocky did have an extensive amateur career. His uncle hung a heavy bag in the back yard when he was only 10 years old, and he had years of daily sparing while he was in the military )
Wow. Either Rocky Marciano punched with the strength of a little girl (and I DON'T believe that!) or Don Cockell has a head made of iron. I might be missing something but Cockell appears to be hit about 30 times with punches that would have floored most fighters. Even when he went down he slowly sank to his knees.
This wasn't even the best version of the rock he was on the verge of hanging up the gloves during this time but he still gave Cockell a dreadful beating an yes he did have to have a good chin to take those blows even from a rock that was on his way out the door. Rock in his heyday when he would put his heart an soul into training spending 9 months in a training camp would have put cockell to sleep.
Had little rocky had a normal duration boxing career like "Everyone" else did, he woulda had to face the likes of Patterson, Machen, Johansson, Folley, Liston, Jones, Clay, Terrell, Cleveland, and Chuvalo just to name a few. Instead he only had to deal with Light-heavyweights similar to Matthews, Lowry, Charles, Moore, etc. Little rocky is damned lucky he quit when he did.
@Jim Cushman he just knew when to hang the gloves up. And he made a living out of knocking the hell out of people bigger than him so I see no reason he couldn't beat those you mentioned. The man would spend 9 months in a training camp and be unbelievably conditioned hit you like a freight train non stop had legendary stamina and a granite chin never took a step backwards was never afraid. You have no idea what you're talking about.
37 year old Joe Louis had already been fightin "17yrs" with 68 fights and 96 fights before 2 million soldiers during his 4 year military service before facing little Rocky. Joe's speedy reflexes were non-existent and it looked as if he was wadding through mud. And that 8 fight winning streak Joe had before fightin Rocky was a complete set-up using carefully selected hand-picked opponents.
38/39 year old cruiserweight Journeyman Joe lost all throughout his entire career, beginning, middle, and end. He had 49 wins 20 losses according to BoxRec. Walcott had already been fightin for "22yrs" and an abysmal 44% KO's before facing little Rocky. He definitely was not prime. Walcott Lost (20) times and was KO'd (6) times.
Light heavyweight Ezzard Charles had already been fightin "15yrs" with 95 fights and an abysmal 43% KO's before facing little Rocky. His best boxing years were already behind him at light heavyweight. Charles Lost (25) times and was KO'd (7) times.
41 year old light heavyweight Archie Moore had already been fightin "20yrs" with 178 fights before facing little Rocky in 1955. Exactly 95% of his 141 TKO's came against welterweights, middleweights, light heavys, and small cruiserweights. Moore Lost (23) times and was KO'd (7) times.
Meantime little cruiserweight Rocky Marciano only fought a measly "8yrs" with only 49 fights before he abruptly quit during his prime at only 31yrs of age. If you eliminate his debut fight he actually fought "7yrs" because there was a 15 month gap between his 1st fight and 2nd fight.
Little Rocky quitting so soon is not only shameful but not fair to other genuine Heavyweights that he's surpassed in the top 10 rankings. No way in hell this little dude should be ranked higher than Holmes Lewis Foreman Vitali Wladimir Holyfield Tyson Bowe Liston Fury Wilder.
@@jimmyc1518 Archie Moore is the only boxer in history to be ranked as #1 contender in 3 of the original 8 weight classes: middleweight in 1942, light heavyweight in 1950, heavyweight in 1955. Archie fought as a middleweight from 1935 to 1945, compiling a record of 70--9--5. Moore in his best years at light heavyweight went 79--10--3 from 1945 to his clash with Marciano in 1955.. That's wonderful and explains exactly why he is Hall of Famer at light heavyweight NOT heavyweight.
The 50s were all about the light heavyweights NOT heavyweights. Moore, Charles, Maxim, Bivins, Johnson, Pastrano, Marshall, Matthews etcetera fought back and forth amongst themselves 40 times. Another boxer that caused tremendous havoc for little Rocky was cruiserweight Walcott who lost to light heavyweights Charles 'twice', Fox 'twice', Maxim, Brothers, Taylor AND middleweights Mays, Palmer and Ketchell. Journeyman Joe lost throughout his entire career, beginning, middle and end. Walcott definitely is NOT an ATG, at best he is B-level Journeyman.
In summary Marciano's 3 best opponents were two light heavyweights and one Journeyman cruiserweight. And to make matters worse Moore was factually 41 years of age and Walcott was 38/39. Wiki just changed Moore's birthdate from 1916 to 1913 per family request two weeks ago.
The man is a true legend. He is eternal
Only in your mind...Y'all wanna discuss everything "EXCEPT" for Marciano's resume. Why? And how about LaStarza's resume? LaStarza avoided Walcott Charles Moore and all the good light heavyweights. His first thirty-seven (37-0) opponents were horrendous, all were F-LEVEL opposition. And Marciano's entire career is based solely vs. a-38/39 year old C-level cruiserweight and 2 light heavyweights moonlighting as Heavyweights. I've also noticed how y'all degrade Joe Louis simply because Max Schmeling beat him. "ONE" loss...yet ya never wanna discuss the "SIXTY-EIGHT" losses Walcott Charles Moore had. Why is that? How about the "FORTY-FIVE" losses Savold had? or the "SIXTY-EIGHT" losses Lowry had? Walcott Charles Moore were "KTFO TWENTY TIMES", what's yir explanation for that? Waiting -tic toc tic toc
Everybody still knows his name
@@renecharpentier1905 i know his name
@@Studentofsweetscience You are honestly a sad, sad person. Every single video I've seen about Rocky and you're in the comments section talking trash about a man who's been dead for 70 years. Please, get help.
Soft spoken Lennox Lewis at his best was the total package. When he fought seriously he was pretty much untouchable. The last undisputed Super Heavyweight champion emerged as cream of the crop against some of the biggest punchers in Heavyweight history.
Lewis avenged his only two defeats by knockout. He didn't make excuses for his only two losses, he said, "It's Heavyweights, you can get caught, but i won the rematches in style," and "Show me a Heavyweight Champion without a loss and i'll show you a fighter that fought a lot of nobodies."
Lewis haters always say, "but he got knocked out twice ha-ha." Well i say, "Mike Tyson got knocked out FIVE times ha-ha, and Ali lost his best 30 years of retirement from having his faculties traumatized for an entire decade. Watching his head used as catchers mitt 100,000 times was ha-ha. IT'S NOT HOW YOU START, IT'S HOW YOU FINISH."
57 year old Lennox is the GOAT. To hear him talk so clearly and eloquently after going up against 18 Heavyweight Champions is remarkable.
The 18 HW Champions Lewis faced: Vitali Klitschko, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, Shannon Briggs, Frank Bruno, Tony Tucker, Hasim Rahman, Oliver McCall, Mike Weaver, Henry Akinwande, Tommy Morrison and Ray Mercer were later recognized as WBO champions, British HW champion Gary Mason, European HW champion Jean Chanet, Commonwealth HW champion Derek Williams, Canada HW champion Razor Ruddock, IBF/WBF HW champion Michael Grant, and WBC International HW champion David Tua...*[[ technically not all were 'World' champions but champions nonetheless ]]. Other notable mentions; Olympic HW Silver medalist Riddick Bowe, Olympic HW Gold medalist Tyrell Briggs, Andrew Golota, Zeljko Mavrovic, Frans Botha and Phil Jackson.
Name another Super Heavyweight with a better resume? Only person i can think of is Wladimir Klitschko.
How many "prime" 200+lb HW Champions
did 184 pound dwarfism-arms fight? ""ZERO""!!!!
A small penguin actually has a longer wingspan than Rocky's 67" inch flyweight reach. Imagine penguin arms tryin to fight top-notch Super Heavyweights with 80" to 85" albatross wingspans and 40 to 90 pound weight advantages?
184 pounds give me a break.
There are few heavyweight champions in the history of boxing that are better known for their losses than their wins. Jersey Joe Walcott's high profile losses is what elevated his status and built up his credentials, not his wins.
During his peak championship years, Walcott scored 7 wins with 5 KO's. Only one of those KO's came against a ranked fighter, that being Ezzard Charles. During this time Walcott also lost 7 times and suffered 10 count KO's 3 times and a 9 count once. In total fights during this time Walcott's record was 7-7. In title fights he went 2-6 with 1 KO win and 3 KO losses. He fought 3 different men in his 8 title fights, was defeated by each of them twice, KO'd by two of them and only defeated one of them.
In his overall career, Walcott had a 49-20-1 record and was KO'd 6 times (BoxRec). Based on these less than impressive stats it is difficult to consider him anymore than a good Journeyman.
Walcott scored 32 KO's in 70 fights. 8 of them came against fighters who were winless. The only two ranked fighters Walcott ever KO'd was an off the floor 10th round win over Curtis Sheppard and the lightning in the bottle KO of Ezzard Charles.
Walcott is a prime example of boxing historians rating a fighter higher than he deserves based on impressive losses. Walcott was winless in all 4 of his fights vs Louis/Marciano and was KO'd 3 times.
The fact that Walcott was granted 6 title attempts in a 6 year span speaks volumes about how weak the heavyweight division must have been at this time. Five of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott loss.
Had Walcott been fighting in the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, 2000's, there is no way he would have been granted this many opportunities after losing so many title attempts.
Walcott should at best be remembered not as a great heavyweight champion, but a good C-level Journeyman.
*If a fighter today had 20 losses and was KO'd 6 times he'd be considered F-level. Wilder and Joshua only have 5 losses between them yet they are already considered has-beens. But it's perfectly fine for Walcott Charles Moore to have 68 Losses. Lennox Lewis was KO'd 2 times and his top-10 ranking has suffered ever since. But it's perfectly fine for Walcott Charles Moore to have been KO'd 20 times!!! Double standard. If King Fury losses just "ONE" time his top-10 credibility will be in jeopardy forever. Double standard.
During the deepest era in light heavyweight history Gold Medalist Undisputed Undefeated HOF ATG GOAT Michael Spinks beat Eddie Mustafa Muhammad and Dwight Muhammad Qawi and knocked out Yaqui Lopes and Marvin Johnson, which was not easy to do in their primes. And he beat the real heavyweight champion to win the title, who was also undefeated. Michael Spinks is the most accomplished light heavyweight in history.
Light heavyweight Charles Lost (25) times and was KOd (7) times. Light heavyweight Moore Lost (23) times and was KOd (7) times. Would Marciano still be considered an ATG if he had 29 wins 20 losses? Of course not. Then why is Charles/Moore ranked higher than Spinks? Because they fought little Marciano which automatically makes them immortal even though they Lost "FORTY-EIGHT" times and were "KTFO-FOURTEEN" times. It's no wonder HOF Greats Jimmy Cannon and Bert Sugar said, "Marciano's era was horseshit."
LaStarza was skinny weakling with an abysmal 27% KO percentage! Rocky 💕 Lovers will never mention that! Simply put LaStarza was a low-power featherfisted powderpuffer. Name me ONE quality proven prime authentic 200+ lb Heavyweight Marciano fought? NONE!!! ZERO!!!
The decathlon is one of the best, if not the best test for speed/strength/endurance. The oldest any World or Olympic Champion has ever been is 32 (Roman Sebrle). This would leave one to believe that after 32 athletes will have started to decline- if not earlier. Boxers are only ever measured against their opponents, the best boxers that Marciano ever fought were undoubtedly past their prime. Marciano quit at 31 for a reason.
A fighter is in his prime when he has the maturity and experience to go along with undiminished reflexes. Once his reflexes start to slide he's past-prime, simple as that. When his reflexes are gone he's a shot fighter. I can't recall seeing a fighter older than his early 30s that still had his reflexes fully intact.
Joe Louis' prime years were in 1937, 1938, 1939 when he was 23, 24, 25 years of age. Everybody knows this. Everyone also knows he was "Forced" to come out of retirement because he supposedly owed a Million dollars to the IRS. Joe's 8 fight winning streak before he faced Marciano was predetermined and set-up against powderpuffer stiffs. His reflexes were non-existent and he clearly telegraphed his punches.
It's clear as day that Moore's 41/42yr old speed is shot against both Marciano and Patterson. All though you couldn't notice it with Marciano because he was just as slow as Moore. Featherfisted Charles already had way too many wars and was starting to show signs of Lou Gehrig disease. Journeyman Joe Walcott was already retired 3 years and only came back for the $$$. Walcott struck gold when he was paid the lions share for both bouts against little Marciano.
Haters gotta hate the facts are facts "unbeaten" he didn't duck anyone
@@williamanderson6006 Rocky intentionally ducked *The Great Marty Marshall, Johnson, Maxim, Pompey, Bivins, Satterfield, Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith and Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard just to name a few.* Little Rocky was a *"Quitter"!*
*EZZARD CHARLES WAS 100% FACTUALLY HANDICAPPED WITH LOU GEHRIG'S DISEASE WHEN HE FOUGHT ROCKY MARCIANO!!!*
William Dettloff’s biography *'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, as early as 1951. This was 3 years before the Marciano fights, and it was also the same year he lost his title. Ezzard, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. Bert Sugar said, *"His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50's, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* --@ 35:01 ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano
Too many reputable witnesses. If in doubt file defamation lawsuits against Ezzard, his family, his trainers and Dettloff. *(Renowned physicist Stephen Hawking lived with ALS for 55 years)*.
Even John McGlothlin, one of the most knowledgeable Marciano fans in the world wrote, *"Ezzard Charles, who, from 1951 on, was suffering from the symptoms of ALS." - William Dettloff*
@@Robert_Levi_Miller wow list of all times greats there one word "unbeaten"
@@Robert_Levi_Miller I'm really not seeing how Rocky ducked the guys mentioned. Take Curtis Sheppard for example. Sheppard had his last fight in January of 49. How did Rocky duck him? I don't understand that one at all. It doesn't make sense
John Durant author of The Heavyweight Champions wrote in 1971 (pg 123,) “Critics do not rate Rocky with the great ones, like Jeffries, Johnson, Dempsey, Tunney, and Louis. He never faced topnotch fighters like they did. It was not Rocky’s fault, of course, that there was not much talent when he was fighting.”
Durant was a joke in the boxing community, still is.
Only Johnson of that group would have given Rocky any problems because he was a great defensive fighter.
@@BradTaylor-n8t 1938 Louis takes Marciano in 3. Louis said that was his best year. Louis was pushing 40 . Equal to Marciano staying around until the 1960'sfighting Ali and Liston. Folloy, Williams, Chuvalo, Rock could of fought a young lion in Patterson. Rock would of been 33. Younger than Louis Walcott ,Moore , Rock s biggest wins.
@@BradTaylor-n8t I feel Johnson would play with Marciano.Marciano would have serious issues with Johnson defensive maneuvers .Johnson had great uppercut as well as great jab. Johnson taught Ted "The Tiger" Lowry 's trainer those defensive maneuvers. And it was passed onto Ted Lowry.Ted Lowry actually used the same exact defensive maneuvers Jack Johnson used .Marciano couldn't put a dent in journeyman middle Lowry. Many believe that the Tiger was robbed. Providence Journal had The Tiger winning 6-4. Many Italians booed Marciano and felt Lowry won. Lowry had over 50 losses when he fought Marciano. That just tells me Marciano isn't beating 1904- 1914 Johnson. Lowery5'10 weighted 178. Johnson 6-2 weighed as much as 238 in title fight. Johnson fought 45 round fights. And was a great defensive fighter and had power in right hand. Johnson could be asked to carry Marciano a few extra rounds to make it look good. But i can't see Johnson having much problems with Marciano.
@@BradTaylor-n8t Johnson fought superior competition also. He defended colored title 21 time. Beating Joe Jeanette . They actually fought 7 times. Sam Mccvvy. Harry Wills all the t op Black fighters White fighters avoided.Johnson tried to fight Jeffries 1904 . Jeffries drew color line on Johnson. Johnson made him pay for it in the end.
There's a reason all the professionals, boxing writers and historians in the 60s only rated Rocky #7 all-time (and this was BEFORE Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Lewis, Tyson, Vitali etc). Funny how his status rises as fewer people remain who actually covered him when he fought. Also nobody ever mentions the highly rated fighters in his era HE conveniently didn't fight. If you want to tell the story, tell the WHOLE story.
Your a little bit silly, go away and lock yourself in mummies bedroom again
Name them. Who are the the highly rated fighters he ducked.
@@lancewilliams4190 There were none. Rocky wasn't incredible, but he never ducked anyone at any time. But, honestly, Al Weill had control of who he fought, anyway. He fought the only really good ones of his time in Charles and Walcott. What else does this idiot called stout Krout really want?
He's not naming anyone because he knows nothing of boxing history.
Sounds like you’re a hater. Joe Lewis called Rocky the greatest ever… who knows boxing more than Joe Lewis?
@@aioncrypto974 he’s definitely a hater and doesn’t answer any questions about his moronic posts. Still waiting on him to name a single fighter that Rocky ducked. He can’t because it’s not true. Weill was his manager and Rocky hated him, but public pressure wouldn’t allow anyone to be ducked then or now.
I don't see how Marciano's status moves up from being ranked 7th throughout the entire 1960s with the multitude of Great Heavyweights that came after him. The question is how does he stack up with the Mount Rushmore of Heavyweights? In my opinion too many Rocky fans don't do a deep drive into examining his career. That magical 49-0 is the shiny coin so many can not see beyond. LaStarza was one of Marciano's best opponents, he was 37-0. How many of y'all actually studied those 37 guys LaStarza fought?
#37) Cesar Brion - 49 wins 11 losses with 36% KOs (C-level). Brian's career record looks okay until ya see how many of his wins came against his fellow Argentinians.
Walter Hafer - 22 wins 26 losses with 26% KOs (F-level)
Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs (F-level)
Jackie Lyons - 32 wins 24 losses with 23% KOs 23% (F-level)
Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs (D to F-level)
Jimmy Carollo - 36 wins 17 losses with 16% KOs (D to F-level)
Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs (F-level)
Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs (D to F-level)
Bill Weinberg - 44 wins 22 losses with 34% KOs (D-level)
Gene Gosney - 14 wins 5 losses with 42% KOs (D-level)
Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs (F-level)
Mike Jacobs - 14 wins 16 losses with 12% KOs (F-level)
Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs (F-level)
Mel McKinney - 8 wins 10 losses with 5% KOs (F-level)
Teddy Georges - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs (F-level)
Oscar Goode - 43 wins 23 losses with 20% KOs (F-level)
Tony Gangemi - 21 wins 18 losses with 26% KOs (F-level)
Benny Rusk - 20 wins 17 losses with 27% KOs (F-level)
Fred McManus - 18 wins 19 losses with 7% KOs (F-level)
John Holloway - 2 wins 11 losses with 15% KOs (F-level)
Claude McClintock - 1 win 9 losses with 0% KOs (F-level)
Steve King - 21 wins 11 losses with 17% KOs (D to F-level)
Jimmy White - 9 wins 17 losses with 11% KOs (F-level)
Frankie Reed - 2 wins 14 losses with 0% KOs (F-level)
Mike Belluscio - 15 wins 10 losses with 37% KOs (F-level)
Luther McMillan - 13 wins 19 losses with 12% KOs (F-level)
Fred Ramsey - 8 wins 12 losses with 28% KOs (F-level)
Matt Mincy - 0 wins 11 losses with 0% KOs (F-level)
Lorne McCarthy - 2 wins 11 losses with 0% KOs (F-level)
Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs (D-level)
Matt Mincy - 0 wins 11 losses with 0% KOs (F-level)
Zeke Brown - 0 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs (F-level)
Jim Johnson - 3 wins 22 losses with 7% KOs (F-level)
Jimmy Dodd - 8 wins 12 losses with 22% KOs (F-level)
Al Zappala - 20 wins 27 losses with 9% KOs (F-level)
Zack Johnson - 3 wins 7 losses with 10% KOs (F-level)
Dave Glanton - 1 win 13 losses with 7% KOs (F-level)
It wasn't until after Marciano's death in 1969 that his fame really started to grow. Don't get me wrong, he was extremely famous to the Italians on the east coast during his very short 7 year boxing career but that was about it. After his death is when all the exaggerated articles begin to appear. 1977 was when his first biography was written. Then it just grew and grew. But before that he wasn't even on the radar. All the boxing historians and professionals that actually saw him fight never had him ranked higher than 8th place on the ATG Heavyweight list in 1962. So how does a 185-lb man with dwarfism arms go from 8th place in 1962 to top-5 Super Heavyweight in 2023?
Some time in the late 1940s the top boxers of the time would have had access to PEDs, as athletes in the Olympics certainly did. By the 1950s it was common knowledge that PEDs gave you a physical boost and boxers across the world would have been trying to get their hands on some. PEDs have existed since the 1800s in the form of stimulants. Athletes started to use roids in the 1930s, and by the 1950s they were prolific.
Consider that in the December 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Rocky Marciano finishing a distant 9th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 9th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 5, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’ 5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Rocky?
This is a key point. Nat Fleischer rated Marciano at # 10, Charley Rose rated him at # 9, McCallum's survey of old-timers had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Maricano in their lifetime thought he was a top 9 all time Heavyweight and 67 years have passed since Rocky retired.
EXPLAIN HOW LITTLE 185 LB ROCKY GOES FROM 9TH PLACE DURING THE EARLY 1960s TO TOP 5 HEAVYWEIGHT IN 2023?
Because his ranking is determined by modern computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man-made program was coded to exclude "WEIGHT" from the equation. That's why 165 pound 'Heavyweight' champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of giant Riddick Bowe.
Even though ranking bodies exclude "WEIGHT" from their metric, they STILL ACKNOWLEDGE (18) EIGHTEEN DIFFERENT "WEIGHT" CLASSES,,, imagine that?
"AGE" is another code omitted from the metric. Algorithms don't see Moore was already fightin professionally when little rocky was only TWELVE YEARS old. Algorithms don't see Charles and Moore were "light" heavyweights moonlighting as Heavyweights. Algorithms don't see Joe Louis's reflexes were non-existent and he clearly telegraphed his punches. The Algorithms only acknowledge Marciano fought 4 Hall of Famers and went 49-0.. That's why all Heavyweight rankings should be looked upon with a grain of salt.
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Ali fights for the most part were rigged,he was always favoured throughout his career,FACT.
What Muhammad Ali did inside and outside of the ring was an historical social phenomenon and master class entertainment. It will never be duplicated in a thousand years. Little Rocky may not be forgotten but he'll basically be ignored in only one or two generations while Muhammad's legacy will live on for centuries!
Muhammad Ali is the only boxer to be named The Ring magazine Fighter of the Year six times, and was involved in more Ring "Fight of the Year" bouts than any other fighter. He was inducted into the Hall of Fame in its first year and held wins over seven other Hall of Fame inductees.
Ali appeared on the cover of Sports Illustrated on 38 different occasions, second only to Michael Jordan's 46. He also appeared on the cover of Time Magazine 5 times, the most of any athlete.
Ali was crowned Sportsman of the Century by Sports Illustrated and was named Athlete of the Century by USA Today. He was presented with the Presidential Citizens Medal by Clinton and received the Presidential Medal of Freedom from Bush.
In 2015, Sports Illustrated renamed its Sportsman Legacy Award to the Sports Illustrated's Muhammad Ali Legacy Award. In June 2016, an amendment to the US draft laws were named after Ali, a proposal to eliminate the Selective Service System.
The Muhammad Ali Boxing Reform Act was passed in 2000, to protect the rights and welfare of boxers in the United States.
As a world champion boxer and pop culture icon, Muhammad Ali was the subject of numerous creative works including books, films, music, video games, TV shows, and other.
Muhammad Ali was often dubbed the world's "most famous" person in the media. Several of his fights were watched by an estimated 2 billion viewers between 1974 and 1980, and his lighting of the torch at the 1996 Atlanta Olympics was watched by an estimated 3.5 billion viewers.
He also wrote several bestselling books about his career, including The Greatest: My Own Story and The Soul of a Butterfly.
When We Were Kings, a 1996 documentary about the Rumble in the Jungle, won the Academy Award for Best Documentary Feature. The 2001 biopic Ali garnered a Best Actor Oscar nomination for Will Smith for his portrayal of Ali.
In 2002, Ali was honored with a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame for his contributions to the entertainment industry. His star is the only one to be mounted on a vertical surface, out of deference to his request that the name Muhammad-not be walked upon.
Documentary filmmaker Ken Burns created the four-part documentary film Muhammad Ali, spanning over eight hours on Ali's life. Burns worked on the film from early 2016 and it was released in September 2021 on PBS. Dave Zirin, who watched an 8-hour rough cut of this documentary, called it "utterly outstanding" and said "the footage they found will blow minds."
*Three weeks after filming their simulated computer fight, Marciano died in a plane crash. After Ali attended a screening of the film he immediately launched legal proceedings against Woroner stating defamation of character, alleging the film's marketing had misled audiences worldwide to believe the fight was actual, while also stating any version of the film which depicted him losing was a result of him not taking the simulation seriously. Ali also claimed American audiences were left angered by Marciano being depicted as the winner. -- Muhammad Ali Discusses Fixed Computerised Fights | The Dick Cavett Show*
It's interesting how people who consider little Rocky the greatest Heavyweight bcz he was undefeated are reluctant to consider Floyd Mayweather the greatest pound for pound. Why is that?? It's just flat lazy to look at 49-0 and conclude that he must be the best ever. Based on that, then you MUST consider Floyd Mayweather the greatest pound for pound fighter of all-time since he's 50-0,, right??
Mayweather was named "Fighter of the Decade" for the 2010s by the Boxing Writers Association of America (BWAA), a two-time winner of The Ring magazine's Fighter of the Year award (1998 and 2007), a three-time winner of the BWAA Fighter of the Year award (2007, 2013, and 2015), and a six-time winner of the Best Fighter ESPY Award (2007-2010, 2012-2014). In 2016, ESPN ranked him the greatest boxer, pound for pound, of the last 25 years. As of May 2021, BoxRec ranks him the greatest boxer of all time, pound for pound. Many sporting news and boxing websites, including The Ring, Sports Illustrated, ESPN, BoxRec, Fox Sports, and Yahoo! Sports, ranked Mayweather as the best pound-for-pound boxer in the world twice in a span of ten years.
Since the existence of CompuBox, Mayweather is the most accurate puncher among professional boxers, having the highest plus-minus ratio in recorded boxing history. He has a record of 26 consecutive wins in world title fights (10 by KO), 23 wins (9 KOs) in lineal title fights, 24 wins (7 KOs) against former or current world titlists, 12 wins (3 KOs) against former or current lineal champions, and 5 wins (1 KO) against International Boxing Hall of Fame inductees. He was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in the class of 2021.
Mayweather topped the Forbes and Sports Illustrated lists of the 50 highest-paid athletes of 2012 and 2013, and the Forbes list again in both 2014 and 2015, as the highest-paid athlete in the world. In 2006, he founded his own boxing promotional firm, Mayweather Promotions, after leaving Bob Arum's Top Rank. He has generated approximately 24 million PPV buys and $1.67 billion in revenue throughout his career, surpassing the likes of former top PPV attractions including Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, Lennox Lewis and Oscar De La Hoya. In 2018, he was the highest-paid athlete in the world, with total earnings, including endorsements, of $285 million, according to Forbes. In November, 2021, Sportico released an all-time athlete earnings list, in which Mayweather ranked no. 6 of all time, totaling an inflation-adjusted $1.2 billion in his career.
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Who did little Rocky fight? Those 4 Hall of Famers already attained their legacies before they even faced Marciano. Moore was fightin professionally when little rocky was TWELVE YEARS old. Folks tryin to say those 4 were still prime obviously have never stepped through those ropes. It's hilarious reading their expert opinions. Charles/Moore peaked at light heavyweight not cruiserweight. Louis was a shell of himself and Walcott's 49W 20L is nothing to brag about.
Rocky fan-atic's describes him as being so fierce that he basically killed all 49 of his opponents in the ring. "Rocky almost killed Carmine Vingo," well Mancini 'killed' Kim, but nobody constantly brags about that like Rocky lovers do with Vingo. Y'all have these Marciano vids so saturated with ur exaggerated hyperbolic comments about Rocky's power and those 13 forced retirements, that it's laughable.
Y'all white Marciano lovers fail to ever mention Marciano's Forced retirement. Why? Because Marciano couldn't take the pain anymore from two confirmed nose surgeries, hand surgery, hundreds of stitches, chronic back pain and constant migraines cause his head was used as a Pinata constantly gettin smacked around,, here,, you hit me five times,, and I'll hit you back one time,, Duh. And all that talk about retiring for his family nonsense was simply a bull•••• publicity stunt because he immediately abandoned his family and left them penniless when he perished.
Little white Rocky was slow as molasses. They wouldn't stand a chance against modern era Heavyweights. And the Peds have nothing to do with anything. It's the multi mega million dollar purses that's pulling in more authentic Super Heavyweights from the football fields and basketball courts.
Have you heard of Teddy Atlas? He would definitely disagree with you. Here is Teddy speaking of the all time greats Rocky fought in their prime
ruclips.net/video/3TV4nmM6Auc/видео.html
@@blackdavidfrostnDesMoines The idea that football and basketball players are leaving their respective sports to pursue a more lucrative boxing career is just wrong. Let me explain it to you. Its just simple math. . How many millionaires are there in boxings HW Division? 5 maybe 10? Not very many is it. Lets take a look at the NFL and NBA
The average NBA salary is 9.6 million dollars a year. The average NFL salary is over 2.7 million dollars a year. .
There are 32 NFL teams with a 53 players roster. That = 1696 millionaires
There are 30 NBA teams with 15 player roster. That = 450 millionaires
1696 + 450 =2,146 millionaires. That is a lot of millionaire football and basketball players. To even suggest these guys would leave their million dollar careers to try their hand at boxing is, to say the least, highly improbable
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Archie Moore went on a 21 fight streak before he faced Rocky Marciano. Moore's numbers may not lie, but numbers minus context can easily lead to distortion. So let's examine those 21 opponents (not in order).
Bobo Olson 170 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Clinton Bacon 170 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Harold Johnson 170 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Harold Johnson (twice) 170 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Joey Maxim 174 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Joey Maxim (twice) 174 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Joey Maxim (thrice) 174 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Dogomar Martinez 175 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Sonny Andrews 177 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Rinaldo Ansaloni 178 lb WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Jimmy Slade 180 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Bob Dunlap 180 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Clarence Henry 184 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Toxie Hall 188 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Bert Whitehurst 186 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Frank Buford 199 lbs had a career record 22 wins 32 losses (F-level) with (two) 2% KOs
Al Spaulding 210 lbs had a career 25 wins 27 losses (F-level) with an abysmal 24% KOs
Leonard Dugan 209 lbs had a career 6 wins 2 losses (D-level) with an abysmal 25% KOs
Bob Baker 209 lbs had a career 51 wins 16 losses (D-level) with an abysmal 29% KOs
Nino Valdes 209 lbs had a career 48 wins 18 losses (D-level) with a low-power 51% KOs
Nino Valdes 209 lbs (twice)
Indeed! Archie is the 2nd greatest Light Heavyweight Champion of All-time 🐐
dude wtf. stop using caps, no ones gonna read that. get off the internet
In 1938 Harry Matthews weighed a massive was 130 pounds vs Joey Parks who was also weighed 130. Matthews finally worked his way up through welterweight and middleweight then settled in at light heavyweight. Marciano never did fight any topnotch genuine Heavyweights.
how about ezzard Charles , joe walcott, joe louis, roland laztalza, archie moore,
rex lane, don cockell who defeated a lot of good boxers he fought everyone that
was around at that time
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Light-heavy Charles Lost (25) times and was KOd (7) times
Light-heavy Moore Lost (23) times and was KOd (7) times
Cruiser-Walcott Lost (20) times and was KOd (6) times
Cruiser-Savold Lost (43) times and was KOd (12) times
Light-heavy Lowry Lost (68) times and was KOd (3) times
Cruiser-LaStarza Lost (9) times and was KOd (2) times.
You white people should know the truth about Rocky, he was homosexual. Sorry if that hurts, but it shouldn't. He had to stay in the closet, it was just the way of the times. Today people like Rocky and me don't have to be embarrassed or feel ashamed. When I came out it was like taking a huge weight off of my shoulders. But don't wait like I did, I have a wife and kid that I would never had if I had not succumbed to the pressure of trying to act normal. I love Margot, but I'm not in love with her, and she understands, we stay together for our daughter. All three of us share the much of the same clothes, make-up, and interests. We're a pretty happy family. I still post with my alter egos Sophia, Corina, and Scarlett, it's just a fun escape I have.
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Had little rocky had a normal duration boxing career like "Everyone" else did, he woulda had to face the likes of Patterson, Machen, Johansson, Folley, Liston, Jones, Clay, Terrell, Cleveland, and Chuvalo just to name a few. Instead he only had to deal with Light-heavyweights similar to Matthews, Lowry, Charles, Moore, etc. Little rocky is damned lucky he quit when he did.
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You named Patterson a very nice man but Rocky would have had him down just like Litson did to him it"s called a glass jag
@@georgemeara2562 Louis bravely fought *(17)* years...........little Rocky only *7* years
Walcott bravely fought *(23)* years.......little Rocky only *7* years
Charles bravely fought *(20)* years.......little Rocky only *7* years
Moore bravely fought *(27)* years.........little Rocky only *7* years
Savold bravely fought *(19)* years........little Rocky only *7* years
Matthews bravely fought *(19)* years...little Rocky only *7* years
LaStarza bravely fought *(14)* years.....little Rocky only *7* years
Cockell bravely fought *(10)* years.......little Rocky only *7* years
Lowry bravely fought *(16)* years.........little Rocky only *7* years
1946 *(Rocky's amateur bouts)*
1. April 15, 1946 Henry Lester *(L-DQ3)*
2. August 23, Frederic L. Ross KO-1
3. August 23, Richard Jarvis KO-1
4. August 23, Joe DeAngelis *(Loss-3)*
1947
5. January 17, Jim Connolly KO 1
6. Jan 17, Bob Girard *(Loss-3)*
*1947-03-17 PROFESSIONAL Lee Epperson fights Amateur Rocky Mack aka Rocky Marciano. Then Rocky goes back to the amateurs Jan, Feb, and March in 1948.*
1948 *(Rocky goes back to the amateurs)*
7. Jan 26, Joe Sidlaskis KO-1
8. February Charlie Mortimer KO-3
9. February George McInnis TKO-1
10. March 1, Coley Wallace *(Loss-3)*
11. March Fred Fischera KO
12. March George McGinnis W-3
*1948-07-12 (Rocky goes back to pro) Professional Harry Bilazarian fights Rocky Marciano.. Don Cuoco and Don Cogswell just started legal proceedings to remove the Rocky Mack fight vs. Lee Epperson because once Pro you cannot go back to the amateurs.*
Louis fought *(69)* times.............little Rocky quit at *49*
Walcott fought *(70)* times.........little Rocky quit at *49*
Charles fought *(121)* times.......little Rocky quit at *49*
Moore fought *(220)* times.........little Rocky quit at *49*
Savold fought *(142)* times.........little Rocky quit at *49*
Matthews fought *(103)* times...little Rocky quit at *49*
LaStarza fought *(66)* times.......little Rocky quit at *49*
Cockell fought *(81)* times..........little Rocky quit at *49*
Lowry fought *(150)* times..........little Rocky quit at *49*
Layne fought *(70)* times............little Rocky quit at *49*
Charles Lost *(25)* times and was KOd *(7)* times
Moore Lost *(23)* times and was KO'd *(7)* times
Walcott Lost *(20)* times and was KOd *(6)* times
Savold Lost *(43)* times and was KO'd *(12)* times
Lowry Lost *(68)* times and was KO'd *(3)* times
Cockell Lost *(14)* times and was KO'd *(9)* times
LaStarza Lost *(9)* times and was KO'd *(2)* times
Layne Lost *(17)* times and was KO'd *(6)* times
*Shocking isn't it? We never see these stats bcz they're always suppressed. Today's Genuine Super Heavyweights Miller Zhang Bakole Joshua Fury Ruiz Parker Kabayel Itauma Jalolov Dubois only have a combined (15) losses yet they're already being thrown under the bus for eternity but it's perfectly fine for little Rocky's little opponents to have a combined ((753)) losses!!!*
*HOW MANY LOSSES DID THE "'BEST"' HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONS OF ALL TIME HAVE:*
Lewis --------- *2*
Holmes ------ *6*
Ali -------------- *5*
Vitali ----------- *2*
Foreman ---- *5*
Tyson -------- *6*
Wladimir ---- *5*
Bowe --------- *1*
Liston -------- *4*
Louis --------- *3*
Holyfield -- *10*
Frazier ------- *4*
Norton ------- *7*
Tunney ------ *1*
Dempsey --- *6*
Johnson --- *11*
*"SHOW ME A HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION WITHOUT A LOSS AND I'LL SHOW YOU A FIGHTER THAT FOUGHT A LOT OF NOBODIES"* -- Lennox Lewis
@@georgemeara2562 Miller weighs - 305
Zhang - 285
Bakole - 285
Teremoana - 285
Ruiz - 275
Briggs - 265
Grant - 265
Fury - 262
Jalolov - 253
Parker - 250
Foreman - 220/250
Vitali - 250
Peter - 250
Joshua - 250
Whyte - 250
Ibeabuchi - 245
Lennox - 245
Kabayel - 245
Wladimir - 245
Dubois - 245
Sanchez - 245
Ruddock - 245
Hrgovic - 245
Itauma - 240
Wardley - 240
Bowe - 240
Ortiz - 240
Witherspoon - 235
Tua - 235
Dokes - 235
Bruno - 230
Morrison - 230
Cooney - 230
Thomas - 225
Usyk - 223
Lyle - 220
Holmes - 218
Holyfield - 218
Tyson - 218
Wilder - 218
Ali - 218
Liston - 218
Frazier - 206
Dempsey - 187
*Moore - 175 lb Light heavyweight champion from 1952 to 1962.*
*Charles - 181 lb Heavyweight champion with lowest ever 42% KO's.*
*Marciano - 184 lb Heavyweight champion with 67" flyweight reach.*
@@georgemeara2562 Camden, N.J. - *“Cassius Clay is the best Heavyweight champion of them all. He could beat Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Ezzard Charles, Rocky Marciano and a fellow named Jersey Joe Walcott.”*
Jersey Joe Walcott made these observations in an exclusive interview with Ring magazine as he sat with me in a police car. He recently was appointed Camden’s Assistant Director of Public Safety. Walcott has been around boxing a long time and should know what he is talking about. Here is what he has to say about Clay’s fighting quality.
*“Clay gets better each time you see him. This kid has speed in his hands and feet like a welterweight. He hits like a heavyweight. He puts his punches together better than any heavyweight champion I’ve ever seen."*
Walcott was asked if he realized what he was saying. He nodded and repeated:
*“Clay could beat Dempsey, Louis, Charles, Marciano and a fellow named Jersey Joe Walcott. Clay is too big and punches too fast and hard and moves too quickly for all of us old timers.”*
Asked to explain in more detail why he rates Clay a sure-shot winner over Dempsey, Louis, Charles, Marciano and himself, Jersey Joe lit up a cigarette and said:
*“Cassius is only 22 years old. He’s still growing. He already is six feet four and weighs a solid 206 pounds."*
*“Dempsey and Louis and the rest of us would be too small to beat this big, rangy kid. Clay would just have to stay away from us for a few rounds and then start throwing his combinations."*
*“Cassius’ edge in height and reach, his fast hands and legs and the power he puts into his punches, whether from in close or at long range, would be too much for any of the champs I’ve mentioned."*
*“All of us old-timers needed room to punch. But not Clay. He can hit you from any position and hurt you. He can do this even when he is off balance."*
*“He could do the same thing to Dempsey, Louis, Charles, Marciano and me. He might not knock us out but he would beat all of us."*
*“The kid Clay is deceptive. He boxes with his hands dangling at his sides. But he can bring them into action real quick. His punches are so fast and sharp they look harmless."*
*“When one punch can take a big man like Liston off his feet, people should realize the agility, coordination and power Clay can put into each and every punch."*
*"I didn’t fight Dempsey. But I did fight Louis, Charles and Marciano. I know none of these men, or me, could box with Clay. And I know none of us could punch as fast as Cassius. Some of us might hit as hard but Clay would out punch us in every exchange."*
*“Now, when Dempsey was fighting, he stood right over a man he had floored and hit him as he was getting up."*
Walcott Tells All by Ed Brennan (Sept. 1965, pp. 7, 62)
Love this fight
Nice, clear footage.
Marciano said his best weight he ever fought at was, "186lbs." Tyson was 220lbs at his fastest & best. About 235lbs at his heaviest. Rocky didn't have the speed or footwork to keep Tyson away or the skill or technique to keep him off. And saying that Rocky was tough… well,, tough can get you killed in the ring against a super power puncher with superior skills. This fight wouldn't last 2 rounds with a prime Tyson. And a non-prime Tyson would still be heavier and stronger. Rocky never faced anyone of merit who was near their prime. You wouldn't want Tyson to be your first. Bigger, faster, stronger. With malicious intent. No way Rocky would beat a prime Iron Mike.
You white people should know the truth about Rocky, he was homosexual. Sorry if that hurts, but it shouldn't. He had to stay in the closet, it was just the way of the times. Today people like Rocky and me don't have to be embarrassed or feel ashamed. When I came out it was like taking a huge weight off of my shoulders. But don't wait like I did, I have a wife and kid that I would never had if I had not succumbed to the pressure of trying to act normal. I love Margot, but I'm not in love with her, and she understands, we stay together for our daughter. All three of us share the much of the same clothes, make-up, and interests. We're a pretty happy family. I still post with my alter egos Sophia, Corina, and Scarlett, it's just a fun escape I have.
Are you referring to the Tyson who got the crap beat outta him by a journeyman named Buster Douglas? Jus askin for a friend...
@@actone1030 At least Buster Douglas was a genuine authentic Super Heavyweight Champion not a little light heavyweight champ with tiny dwarfism arms.
Loved to box since I was a kid. Now I'm pushing 60yrs old. Still hit the heavy and speed bag but knowing the brain damage caused I feel different about it. I see a ex world heavyweight champ pretty often and I of course knew of him in his prime. I see how much he has lost of his cognitive abilities. I remember the trainers who were older and all beat up. It's a savage sport in and out of the ring. Best defense a good offense. Tyson never took many punches because he knocked guys out fast.
Yea, too bad the finest, most quintessential sport is the most damaging and dangerous.
Ali evaded punches in his prime. His brain damage came from not knowing when to retire.
@@dawoool And the rope-a-DOPE
@@Lucille69caddy Cockell was a Brit who’d turned pro in 1946 at age 17, and by 1949 had matured into a light heavyweight. In reality, he was a fat light heavyweight who'd been knocked out 5 times by opponents far less imposing than Marciano. Cockell who now looked like the Pillsbury Doughboy decided a knife and fork could be his meal ticket to a big-time payday vs Marciano.
Yes. Brain damage, Parkinson's a big problem which is why contenders and champions are selective about the number of bouts they sign on for (despite the criticism they get from fans for not fighting enough). Also, M.D.s tell us most brain damage occurs through countless hours of sparing. Tough sport -- these athletes deserve all the $ they can get.
Cockell didn't quit like Liston did in his 2 "fights" with Ali in 1964 and 1965. Cockell was getting sick in the later rounds from the beating he was taking from Marciano...but he didn't quit...He gets respect for hanging in there ...
Liston already had a strained tendon in his shoulder before he stepped into the ring against Ali and it got progressively worse throughout the fight until it was torn completely off the bone and bled down into his bicep making his arm numb. By the end of the 6th round Sonny couldn't lift his left arm above his head and that's when Liston's handlers
threw in the towel. In the 2nd fight the Nation of Islam had kidnapped his wife and his adopted son and threatened to kill them if Sonny didn't take a dive.
Rocky intentionally ducked *The Great Marty Marshall, Johnson, Maxim, Pompey, Bivins, Satterfield, Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith and Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard just to name a few.* Little Rocky was a *"Quitter"!*
1946 *(Rocky's amateur bouts)*
1. April 15, 1946 Henry Lester *(L-DQ3)*
2. August 23, Frederic L. Ross KO-1
3. August 23, Richard Jarvis KO-1
4. August 23, Joe DeAngelis *(Loss-3)*
1947
5. January 17, Jim Connolly KO 1
6. Jan 17, Bob Girard *(Loss-3)*
*1947-03-17 Professional Lee Epperson fights Amateur Rocky Mack aka Rocky Marciano. Then Rocky goes back to the amateurs Jan, Feb, March 1948.*
1948 *(Rocky's back to amateur bouts)*
7. Jan 26, Joe Sidlaskis KO-1
8. February Charlie Mortimer KO-3
9. February George McInnis TKO-1
10. March 1, Coley Wallace *(Loss-3)*
11. March Fred Fischera KO
12. March George McGinnis W-3
*1948-07-12 Professional Harry Bilazarian fights Rocky Marciano. Don Cuoco & Don Cogswell just started legal proceedings to remove the Rocky Mack fight vs. Lee Epperson bcz once Professional you cannot go back to the amateurs.*
Louis Bravely fought *(17)* years...........Rocky only *(7)* years
Walcott Bravely fought *(23)* years.......Rocky only *(7)* years
Charles Bravely fought *(20)* years.......Rocky only *(7)* years
Moore Bravely fought *(27)* years.........Rocky only *(7)* years
Savold Bravely fought *(19)* years........Rocky only *(7)* years
Matthews Bravely fought *(19)* years...Rocky only *(7)* years
LaStarza Bravely fought *(14)* years.....Rocky only *(7)* years
Cockell Bravely fought *(10)* years.......Rocky only *(7)* years
Lowry Bravely fought *(16)* years.........Rocky only *(7)* years
@@Robert_Levi_Miller None of those clowns were the #1 Ranked Contender except Valdes and Moore beat Valdes twice.
Valdes was a sparring partner who ended up leaving Marciano's training camp early because he couldn't handle the punishment he was getting from Rocky. 🥊
@bobbyd1776 40 of Rocky's opponents were Not ranked!!! Charles & Moore had no problem fighting Johnson, Maxim, Pompey, Bivins, Satterfield, Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith and Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard *NUMEROUS TIMES!!!* Why didn't Rocky fight them also? *Bcz he Ducked them!!!*
Put Louis, Walcott, Charles and Moore all at 27yrs of age and Marciano at 37yrs of age. What happens? Exactly. Case closed.
Had little rocky had a normal duration boxing career like "Everyone" else did, he woulda had to face the likes of Patterson, Machen, Johansson, Folley, Liston, Jones, Clay, Terrell, Cleveland, and Chuvalo just to name a few. Instead he only had to deal with Light-heavyweights similar to Matthews, Lowry, Charles, Moore, etc. Little rocky is damned lucky he quit when he did.
Who did little Rocky fight? Those 4 Hall of Famers already attained their legacies before they even faced Marciano. Moore was fightin professionally when little rocky was TWELVE YEARS old. Folks tryin to say those 4 were still prime obviously have never stepped through those ropes. It's hilarious reading their expert opinions. Charles/Moore peaked at light heavyweight not cruiserweight. Louis was a shell of himself and Walcott's 49W 20L is nothing to brag about.
@@blackdavidfrostnDesMoines Have you heard of Teddy Atlas? He would definitely disagree with you. Here is Teddy speaking of the all time greats Rocky fought in their prime ruclips.net/video/3TV4nmM6Auc/видео.html
Rocky would win them all. Walcott wasn't very good at age 27. Charles and Moore were too small. And Joe, Rockys style is all wrong for him as Joe hates to be crowded
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If Marciano was so Powerful why didn't he ever break any bones? He never broke one rib, one nose, one eye-socket, one jaw or detached one retina. We all see him hit Cockell, LaStarza and Charles full-power with his Suzy-Q hundreds of times and still couldn't finish them. Little 185 lb Marciano accidentally catches lightning in a bottle ""ONE"" time vs. Walcott and his fans automatically assume he's the most powerful puncher that ever lived.
Only reason Marciano's KO against Walcott was so great is because he caught Jersey Joe precisely on the point of his chin which snap-twisted his head around more than 90° cutting oxygen off instantaneously (one in a thousand shot). Prior to that 29 year old Marciano was being dominated by the 38yr old. Walcott was ahead on all scorecards 8-4 and 7-5 by the judges and 7-4 by referee Charley Daggert.
LaStarza discounted the stories about the damage Marciano supposedly inflicted to his arms in their second fight (I have the full interview), and Marciano confesses Vingo hit the back of his head on the plywood flooring at The Marciano Tapes #6. I also have proof Marciano did ""NOT"" retire for his wife or any injuries -@ 'The Rocky Marciano Archives reasons for retirement...'
You white people should know the truth about Rocky, he was homosexual. Sorry if that hurts, but it shouldn't. He had to stay in the closet, it was just the way of the times. Today people like Rocky and me don't have to be embarrassed or feel ashamed. When I came out it was like taking a huge weight off of my shoulders. But don't wait like I did, I have a wife and kid that I would never had if I had not succumbed to the pressure of trying to act normal. I love Margot, but I'm not in love with her, and she understands, we stay together for our daughter. All three of us share the much of the same clothes, make-up, and interests. We're a pretty happy family.
In regards to power, KO percentage is and always has been the gold standard. And Rocky's KO percentage compares favorably with anyone who ever laced up a pair of gloves
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Jack Dempsey beat the crap out of Woody mugger when he was 80 years old
2 20 something muggers at once to be accurate.
I saw that on a biography I believe...freaking legend
Nobody could have taken so many direct hits and survived the beating by Rocky. Nice fight Don. Live free or Die 🇺🇸.
How much rhetoric and how many exaggerations on Marciano. It's not very difficult to remain unbeaten for only 3 years. How many boxers remained unbeaten for a longer period? Many, among many others. Ali and Louis, two giants compared to Marciano, remained at the top respectively for 14 and 12 years, an eternity. The first even had to stand still for 3 years, an eternity for a boxer. Marciano had the prudence to quit early. Just after 3 years. So he avoided being severely punished by a younger and stronger boxer as has always happened in the history of boxing.
Many boxers remaine unbeaten for 3 years. Rocky was one of them having remained undefeated for 8 years. 49 victories later he retired undefeated. . Something no HW has ever duplicated
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Rocky......... The greatest of all time.
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Greatest for their time, boxing is rigged anyway because the real fight is against the Empire of the New World Order!
@option84 i agreed
Soft spoken Lennox Lewis at his best was the total package. When he fought seriously he was pretty much untouchable. The last undisputed Super Heavyweight champion emerged as cream of the crop against some of the biggest punchers in Heavyweight history.
Lewis avenged his only two defeats by knockout. He didn't make excuses for his only two losses, he said, "It's Heavyweights, you can get caught, but i won the rematches in style," and "Show me a Heavyweight Champion without a loss and i'll show you a fighter that fought a lot of nobodies."
Lewis haters always say, "but he got knocked out twice ha-ha." Well i say, "Mike Tyson got knocked out FIVE times ha-ha, and Ali lost his best 30 years of retirement from having his faculties traumatized for an entire decade. Watching his head used as catchers mitt 100,000 times was ha-ha. IT'S NOT HOW YOU START, IT'S HOW YOU FINISH."
57 year old Lennox is the GOAT. To hear him talk so clearly and eloquently after going up against 18 Heavyweight Champions is remarkable.
The 18 HW Champions Lewis faced: Vitali Klitschko, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, Shannon Briggs, Frank Bruno, Tony Tucker, Hasim Rahman, Oliver McCall, Mike Weaver, Henry Akinwande, Tommy Morrison and Ray Mercer were later recognized as WBO champions, British HW champion Gary Mason, European HW champion Jean Chanet, Commonwealth HW champion Derek Williams, Canada HW champion Razor Ruddock, IBF/WBF HW champion Michael Grant, and WBC International HW champion David Tua...*[[ technically not all were 'World' champions but champions nonetheless ]]. Other notable mentions; Olympic HW Silver medalist Riddick Bowe, Olympic HW Gold medalist Tyrell Briggs, Andrew Golota, Zeljko Mavrovic, Frans Botha and Phil Jackson.
Name another Super Heavyweight with a better resume? Only person i can think of is Wladimir Klitschko.
How many "prime" 200+lb HW Champions
did 184 pound dwarfism-arms fight? ""ZERO""!!!!
A small penguin actually has a longer wingspan than Rocky's 67" inch flyweight reach. Imagine penguin arms tryin to fight top-notch Super Heavyweights with 80" to 85" albatross wingspans and 40 to 90 pound weight advantages?
184 pounds give me a break.
It's interesting how people who experienced watching him in real time don't hold him in the same high regard as folks later on in spite the multitude of great fighters who came on the scene after he Quit (Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Lewis, Klitschko's, Fury, etc.). There's a lot of mythology with Marciano and a lot of selective memory about his career. He was brilliantly managed to preserve his undefeated record. But the reality is heart and determination can only get you so far when you're sorely lacking in the physical tools the other greats have. Americans love to glamorize the underdog who gets it done in spite of their limitation, just look at the success of Stallone and his Rocky movie franchise, the movie Rudy, Hoosiers, etc.
It is also interesting how the same people who want to consider Rocky the greatest Heavyweight because he was undefeated are reluctant to consider Mayweather the greatest pound for pound. Why is that? Because he's black? It's just flat lazy to look at 49-0 and conclude that he must be the best ever. Based on that, then you MUST consider Floyd Mayweather the greatest pound for pound fighter of All-Time since he's 50-0, right?
@@blackDavid-n-mexicaliMargot Name me one, just one fighter of everyone who you listed that has or even COULD do Marciano's crazy training regime.
Lewis was knocked out by Hasim Rahman and Oliver McCall. Was he taking these fights seriously? I would sincerely hope so seeing how these fights were for the HW title
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It's interesting how people who experienced watching him in real time don't hold him in the same high regard as folks later on in spite the multitude of great fighters who came on the scene after he Quit (Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Lewis, Klitschko's, Fury, etc.). There's a lot of mythology with Marciano and a lot of selective memory about his career. He was brilliantly managed to preserve his undefeated record. But the reality is heart and determination can only get you so far when you're sorely lacking in the physical tools the other greats have. Americans love to glamorize the underdog who gets it done in spite of their limitation, just look at the success of Stallone and his Rocky movie franchise, the movie Rudy, Hoosiers, etc.
It is also interesting how the same people who want to consider Rocky the greatest Heavyweight because he was undefeated are reluctant to consider Mayweather the greatest pound for pound. Why is that? Because he's black? It's just flat lazy to look at 49-0 and conclude that he must be the best ever. Based on that, then you MUST consider Floyd Mayweather the greatest pound for pound fighter of All-Time since he's 50-0, right?
Yes, Floyd Mayweather is the best technical boxer of all times.
Enough with the race card.... It wasn't because of skin color.... I believe it was the "underdog" factor more than anything else. Rock was unorthodox in his (lack of?) technique, but dangerous in his punch power. With that, I see him as wholly undisciplined and as dangerous to himself as his opponents. He was great for his ability to confound his opponents and land a powerful punch. I'm not so sure I'd consider him the greatest though. Just considering how he might have fared against an Ali or a Tyson, is an exercise that gives no pleasant answer. There have been many underdogs in boxing, many have been white and many have been exceptional. But few white Champions since Rock. Gerry Cooney's fight against Larry Holmes was a classic example. After many years, rewatching that fight today shows how good Cooney was, but just not as great as Holmes. In the case of Rock, he looked the part of underdog, but delivered the goods better than most.
Its interesting how people who experienced fighting him in real time hold him in such high regard
"Hardest puncher I ever fought." - Joe Louis
"Hit harder than anyone I ever fought." - Ezzard Charles
"Hit harder than anyone ever." - Jersey Joe Walcott
"Like fighting an airplane propeller." - Archie Moore
"Broke blood vessels in my arms. Took weeks for my arm to recover." -Roland LaStarza
By far the strongest man I ever faced and believe me I faced some strong ones - Archie Moore
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I also like it how Marciano takes it easy throughout the fight and throws big bombs at the best time
Out of all the boxers in history why is little Rocky the only one that must to be defended through endless Quotes? He said "this," or he said, "that." Quote after Quote after endless Quotes. Why? Because y'all CANNOT defend him with his resume alone. Why? Because his best opponents were middleweights and light heavyweights moonlighting as Heavyweights.
The funniest one is Don Turner saying, "Marciano could beat both Klitschko brothers at the same time in the same round," and of course Marciano fans literally believes it as truth.
Just because Ali said, "Rocky was like a bull and would be difficult to knock out," does that make it true?
Holmes said, "Rocky couldn't carry his jockstrap," does that make it true?
Foreman recently listed his own top 10 greatest Heavyweights yet he didn't even include himself. It's called being humble, creating an image. Quotes are mere speculations or showing ones respect.
Ali's famous speech after beating Foreman:
"EVERYBODY STOP TALKING NOW"
"I TOLD Y'ALL I WAS THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME"
"I TOLD Y'ALL I'M STILL THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME"
( Does that sound like Ali The GOAT is conceding to dwarfism-arms? )
Y'all Rocky lovers gotta twist Ali's words, Don Turners words, everybody's words inorder to fit your agendas.
Find "ONE" poll that has Marciano ranked higher than Ali?
Don't need Quotes to protect Ali because his resume speaks for itself.
Don't need Quotes to protect Lewis because his resume speaks for itself.
Don't need Quotes to protect Wladimir because his resume speaks for itself.
*On the other hand little Marciano's resume needs serious help, hence all the endless Quotes.
👑Fury is a titan amongst mere mortals. Generations of dna forged to create the perfect Super Heavyweight boxer. I'm grateful to see him in my lifetime. A focused Fury is boxing evolved to it's highest state ever. 277 lbs of brutal jabs, snappy punches, slick head movement, good footwork, granite chin, relaxed stamina and great intelligence.
Little white Marciano said his best weight he ever fought at was, "186lbs." Tyson was 220lbs at his fastest & best. About 235lbs at his heaviest. Rocky didn't have the speed or footwork to keep Tyson away or the skill or technique to keep him off. And saying that Rocky was tough… well,, tough can get you killed in the ring against a super power puncher with superior skills. This fight wouldn't last 2 rounds with a prime Tyson. And a non-prime Tyson would still be heavier and stronger. Rocky never faced anyone of merit who was near their prime. You wouldn't want Tyson to be your first. Bigger, faster, stronger. With malicious intent. No way Rocky would beat a prime Iron Mike.
@@blackDavidFrostinDesMoines you think Tyson had better skills than rock. And when you say little white rocky your ignorant. He beat every black guy he ever fought in the street and in the ring. Tyson would not last 15 rounds with rock and neither would the other overweight undertrained fighters of the new era. Also you idiots see a big guy with blown up muscles and think that makes them good.rock would ware their big asses out.also Tyson's prime sure did,nt last long ,he got ko,d by Douglas when he was.23.
If little Marciano had just ONE draw (48-0-1) everyone would have abandoned his ship long ago. But his '0' is the ONLY thing that keeps him afloat. Marciano's top 10 ranking is determined by computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man made program was coded to exclude WEIGHT from the equation. That's why 165 lb 'Heavyweight' champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of giant Riddick Bowe. How's it possible 185 lb Marciano ranks higher than Fury Ibeabuchi Holmes Lewis Bowe Vitali Wladimir Foreman etcetera? Now we know why. Even though Heavyweight champions ranged from 165 to 275 lbs, ranking bodies still exclude WEIGHT from their metric, yet they acknowledge (17) different WEIGHT classes, imagine that. Top 10 rankings should be looked upon with a grain of salt!!! Unfortunately Rocky fanboys cling to his ranking as if it were life and death.
During the deepest era in light heavyweight history Gold Medalist Undisputed Undefeated HOF ATG GOAT Michael Spinks beat Eddie Mustafa Muhammad and Dwight Muhammad Qawi and knocked out Yaqui Lopes and Marvin Johnson, which was not easy to do in their primes. And he beat the real heavyweight champion to win the title, who was also undefeated. Michael Spinks is the most accomplished light heavyweight in history
“If” is all you loser trolls have to compensate for your immense envy and hatred for the ONLY undefeated, untied fighter ever: Caucasian Rocco Francis Marchegiano.
🔥What Marciano did to his family is unforgivable. During his retirement speech, and during his appearance on the Ed Sullivan show he said, "I want to spend more time with my family." That's not True. It was all a lie. He immediately abandoned his kids and wife to sleep with thousands then left them penniless--@ 1993/08/23 THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI
The more i investigate each one of white hype Rocky's opponents the more i realize just how undeniably pathetic and controlled his 49-0 actually was.
Don Cockell was a light heavyweight who started putting on excess weight due to health issues , sad story really as he died in his early 50s
Archie Moore is the only boxer in history to be ranked as #1 contender in 3 of the original 8 weight classes: middleweight in 1942, light heavyweight in 1950, heavyweight in 1955. Archie fought as a middleweight from 1935 to 1945, compiling a record of 70--9--5. Moore in his best years at light heavyweight went 79--10--3 from 1945 to his clash with Marciano in 1955.
The 50s were all about the light heavyweights NOT the Heavyweights. Moore, Charles, Maxim, Bivins, Johnson, Pastrano, Marshall, Matthews etcetera fought back and forth amongst themselves 40 times.
Besides light heavyweights Moore and Charles, another boxer that caused havoc for little Rocky was cruiserweight Walcott who lost to light heavyweights Charles 'twice', Fox 'twice', Maxim, Brothers, Taylor, AND middleweights Mays, Palmer, Ketchell. Journeyman Joe lost throughout his entire career, beginning, middle, end. At best Walcott was a C-level Journeyman.
In summary Marciano's 3 best opponents were two light heavyweights and one Journeyman cruiserweight. To make matters worse Moore was factually 41 and Walcott was 38/39. And to all those claiming age does not matter then put Marciano at 41 and Moore at 31.
Ancient Archie started out at welter weight 145. To think an ex welterweight dropped the reigning heavyweight champion is a remarkable achievement . Then you add in the fact he may have been 43.
I never thought Walcott had much of a chin. He ha been Ko'ed 4 times before facing Marciano. Old Louis knocked him out. Abe Simon knocked him out also. Couple other fighters knocked him out. Moore had been knocked out in lower weights a few times before facing Marciano. Mostly all the old Gatekeepers were knocked out before facing Marciano. Charles was lo'ed at middle. Cockell lo'ed at middle. By middle champ Randy Turpin. Same guy Robinson knocked out for middleweight title. Crazy. Marciano defended against a guy that was knocked out by a fighter that Ray Robinson knocked out. Sugar Ray Robinson best fighter ever
Yeah it was like Negro Division. All the great Black fighters had to fight amongst themselves. Sam Langford, Mvvey. Joe Jeanette , kid Norfolk,Gun Boat, BigTate, Harry Wills and many more. . Harry Wills and,should of fought Willard 1915 . Willard drew color line.and fought Moran Sat on title for over 3 years.. Then Dempseyknocked out a rusty 39 year old Willard prime for the taking.afterwards Dempsey drew color line on Harry Wills. Terrible time for Black fighters. Wills received step aside money. . $50.000. But was denied title shots even though he was no.1 contender to Dempsey. Rules were changed because of Jack Dempsey. It became mandatory for Champions to fight no. 1 challenger . Wills was dempsey no 1. challenger for 5 years.
@@user-vb4rc8tt6n can’t deny those early black fighters got the shaft. So it is.
Rocky the GOAT
Don Cockell was a bad ass! No other fighter went toe to toe with Marciano and took Rockys best and not go down. Don took a terrible beating but showed heart and courage like no other fighter I have seen.
Borderline unwatchable. Should have been stopped much earlier.I hope the courageous Mr Cockell survived as a healthy man after this.
He died in 1983, 65 yrs old, I believe.
Little Marciano hit former light heavyweight Don FULL POWER over 100 times and still couldn't stop him. Little dwarfism arms is so over-hyped and overrated it's pathetic.
Southpaw Usyk is actually bigger than Ali. Joshua came in at 240 lbs, only an 18 lb weight advantage over a comfortable 222 lb Usyk who is 6' 3" with 78" reach.
Holyfield was 6' 2.5" 218 lbs with 78" reach.
Michael Spinks was 6' 2.5" 208 lbs with 76" reach.
Prime Clay/Ali was 6' 2.5" (passport) 212 lbs with 78" reach.
And of course we mustn't forget 5'10" 186 lb Marciano with his famous shortest-ever 67" flyweight reach.
Shocking isn't it.
Those other small guys weren't so small after all.
They already had the natural height and reach so they were able to assimilate into the Heavyweight division with few problems.
On the other hand 186 lb Marciano had some serious dwarfism problems going on with his reach. Simply put Marciano's bone structure was too short to assimilate effectively.
Who did little Rocky fight? Those 4 Hall of Famers already attained their legacies before they even faced Marciano. Moore was fightin professionally when little rocky was TWELVE YEARS old. Folks tryin to say those 4 were still prime obviously have never stepped through those ropes. It's hilarious reading their expert opinions. Charles/Moore peaked at light heavyweight not cruiserweight. Louis was a shell of himself and Walcott's 49W 20L is nothing to brag about.
In 1938 Harry Matthews weighed a massive was 130 pounds vs Joey Parks who was also weighed 130. Matthews finally worked his way up through welterweight and middleweight then settled in at light heavyweight. Marciano never did fight any topnotch genuine Heavyweights.
Cockrell had a head like a rock.
This was boxing, A lot of pushing.
Another career Light heavyweight that had to moonlight the little cruiserweight division because he suffered from a serious thyroid condition. Embarrassing that Marciano never fought ONE topnotch prime 200+lb genuine Heavyweight.
that fat UK boxer was over 200, just look at his mid section.😅😅😅
Another career Light heavyweight that had to moonlight the little cruiserweight division because he suffered from a serious thyroid condition. Embarrassing that Marciano never fought ONE topnotch prime 200+lb genuine Heavyweight.
@@blackDavid-n-mexicaliMargot poor black man looks to make excuses again for white man success.😅😅😅
Cockell took a storm of devastating blows and kept fighting. I think he deserves honour for this fight.
Rocky could have broken his knuckles hitting cockels head lol.
Combined, Walcott/Charles/Moore lost (68) times and were KO'd (20) times. Would Marciano still be considered an ATG if he went 29 wins 20 losses? Of course not. Then why is Walcott Charles Moore considered ATGs? We all know why, to protect Marciano's white 49-0. Had Rocky never existed Nobody would be talking about Walcott Charles Moore. Truth is Marciano fans could careless about Walcott Charles Moore otherwise they would never denigrate Ali Liston Holmes Tyson Wilder etc. It's all about skin color. I've studied Marciano extensively for 8 months and it just dawned on me that this is exactly what's happening. Rocky fanboys always besmirch and belittle black fighters EXCEPT for Walcott Charles Moore. I've witnessed it hundreds of times, pure Hate for Liston Holmes Tyson yet pure Love for Walcott Charles Moore.
Marciano is simply overrated and was protected by the maffia.
Get a life best trained fighter of all time
@@robertvelardi5673 so Marvin Hagler wasn't a well trained fighter?
@@robertvelardi5673 So Sugar Ray Robinson wasn't a well trained fighter?
@@robertvelardi5673 ONLY little Rocky was a well trained fighter?
Damn that Cockell had a cast iron jaw. Co-do's to him.
the fact that Cockell got a shot at the heavyweight championship is testament to how poor this era really was.
No it is not. Cockell was the European champ.
@@Grizzlied555 that doesn't come close to changing my mind
@@Grizzlied555 Cockell would not have been a contender in any other era.
@@kartzstormstool861 Yes he would. You do not have much boxing knowledge.
@@Grizzlied555 he lost to Randy Turpin, a middleweight, sounds like you know nothing.
90% of Rocky's opponents were dubious journeymen with lousy looking undercard records. And considering his older ATG opposition and the fact that he 'Quit' during his 'Prime', 49-0 really isn't that fantastic, especially during an era when it was common to have 70 fights like Louis & Walcott, or 121 like Charles, or even 219 fights like Moore had.
That's 49 - 0 with only 6 title defenses. The threat the prospect of fighting Sonny Liston drove Marciano out of boxing at the young tender age of 32.... Rocky didn't want that Smoke.
Since 49--0 isn't really that fantastic, at least according to you. And it was common, you tell us, to have 70 fights like Louis and Walcott, or 121 like Charles or 219 like Moore, I have one question for you. After Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore's 49th fight, were they all 49-0 like Rocky? If so, then you have a point. If not, well you may wish to rethink and restate your post
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Interesting the history of boxing and martial arts , powerful punches destroyed like Marciano today fight are more strategic , I think is more strategic wih the same defense from punches .
Relentless.
Cockell could definitely take a punch.
Y'all Rocky fan's write a lot of interesting historical points, but never address the actual issue of 'BODYWEIGHT', so your historical research gets you nowhere. You have to beat credible "HEAVYWEIGHT" opponents to be respected as a legitimate 'Heavyweight' champion. Correct?
Thank you so much my good sir, are have common sense.
@bobbyd1776 he only fought a few of those fighters who and were out their prime. and Floyd Patterson never ducked Rocky. Ur a liar and very emotional
"One of the greatest champs ever." - Sonny Liston
"Hardest puncher I ever fought." - Joe Louis
"The one fighter who might have beaten me." Muhammed Ali
My manager waited for Rocky to Retire before he dare let me fight as a heavyweight Floyd Patterson
"The hardest puncher I ever saw in 50 years in boxing." Don Turner, trainer for Evander Holyfield
"Ali wouldn't have tried rope-a-dope on Marciano cause Marciano would have KOd him." -Joe Frazier
"Hit harder than anyone I ever fought." - Ezzard Charles
"Hit harder than anyone ever." - Jersey Joe Walcott
"Like fighting an airplane propeller." - Archie Moore
"Trained harder than anyone ever." -Don Turner, trainer
"Hit you so so hard it jar your kin folk in Africa. - Muhammed Ali
"Broke blood vessels in my arms. Took weeks for my arm to recover." -Roland LaStarza
Rocky would be great in any era - Angelo Dundee
One of my idols Muhammad Ali
That sounds like a whole lot of respect to me
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This fight became hard to watch. There's only one other fight where I thought the ref should have stopped it, the UFC fight where Royce Gracie's brother was getting repeatedly kneed in the top of the head. Is it just me or does Marciano seem a little disturbed after this fight, perhaps compounded by the hospitalization of a previous opponent and realizing he really could kill someone. I wonder how much that played into his decision to retire, being such a nice guy that he was.
Unbeaten is the story of an immigrant son who chased the American dream in the middle of the 20th Century. Marciano’s story unfolds in the back alleys of New England and the musty gyms and Broadway lights of New York in the years after World War II, when boxing reflected the tremendous societal changes sweeping America. Marciano moved through a romantic era of guys and dolls, hustlers and gamblers, crusty trainers and sleazy managers, glamorous celebrities and notorious mobsters.
Marciano’s quest for perfection came at a price. The All-American boy achieved his dream only to retire from the ring while still in his prime. For the last decade of his life, he wandered America, disillusioned, untrusting, hiding his money, cheating on his wife, consorting with the mobsters he had loathed for corrupting his sport, until his greedy death in a plane crash in 1969, the night before his 46th birthday.
The only thing that made those old school fighters seem tougher was the fact that many had 100 to 200+ fights, which we now know wouldn't be allowed today because of Chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) which is a progressive and fatal brain disease associated with repeated traumatic brain injuries (TBIs), including concussions and repeated blows to the head. It is also associated with the development of dementia. CTE was once known as dementia pugilistica, or punch-drunk syndrome.
What I knew about Marciano before I read the book Unbeaten was that he retired as an undefeated Cruiserweight Champion. I did not know about his conduct during World War 2 that got him locked up in jail for 2 years. I did not know of the mob's influence in his career. I did not realize that his list of opponents while he was champion were of dubious quality, boxers who were on the way down like Louis, Charles, Moore and Walcott. Marciano retired right before he would have had to fight the likes of Clay, Liston and Patterson to name a few.
Marciano died relatively young in a plane crash due to his greedy carelessness. He was not a good businessperson and was lousy with investing and saving money, leaving his family penniless. Marciano succumbed to the good life after boxing, sleeping with hundreds, and hung around with Frank Sinatra and a number of "made guys." He's not a very sympathetic figure. Again his boxing record is offset by the low level of his opponents.
Some time in the late 1940s the top boxers of the time would have had access to PEDs, as athletes in the Olympics certainly did. By the 1950s it was common knowledge that PEDs gave you a physical boost and boxers across the world would have been trying to get their hands on some. PEDs have existed since the 1800s in the form of stimulants. Athletes started to use roids in the 1930s, and by the 1950s they were prolific.
Bit of boxing trivia..Don Cockell began training at Amateur club Earlsfield ABC as did Frank Bruno and current contender Joe Joyce
What a joke! Earl Walls would have knocked out Cockell in two rounds max. Walls was rejected as a contender for the Empire/Commonwealth title.
ROCKY NUMBER 1 !
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Rocky simply the Greatest Heavyweight of all Time 49 fight,s 49 win,s say,s it all
It says smoke and mirrors, it says no context
@@richardbranton7396 Learn what you're speaking about or shut up.
@@Boxrec297 I know what I'm speaking ,you don't,as your reply indicates so you stfu .
@@Boxrec297 smh ,do some research joker,piss poor opponents, 30+ fights into his career he fights 4 with losing records and 1 who is 8 8 1 in a row smh ,coming off losing fights and ko losses.Dont tell me I don't know what I'm talking about
@@Boxrec297 blocked me ha ha man up ,you got nothing
These negative comments come from ignorant armchair critics who have never had a punch in the face. Statistics mean very little in reality
Wow! Two great fighers!
Fair play to Don Cockell what a chin rocky threw everything at him
Don was a tough guy, what a chin.
Rockeys already fuckin him up
Cockell took a lot of punishment
A tough kid
Moulinyan is out in force, I see. It must suck to be filled with so much envy and hate.
@@Jabbing_JackTroll more. I can’t see you. Mangia cazzo nero🤣
Cockell is my nans cousin gutted i wasnt alive to see him in action
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it was a bombardment from the first round to the end, got to give don a lot
of credit he took rockys best and was still in there until the referee stopped
the fight, he showed he had a lot of guts.
What it showed was little Marciano's power was always over-hyped and overrated.
Rocky was a true warrior and give great wars
@@Studentofsweetscience I don't know how you can say
that he knocked more guys with one punch then
any man in history
And he started to throw powerpunches and dont stop…its to difficult to stand against him..Cockell takes to much of them,fight stoppages was rare at that time…but it was neccessary.
and LaStarza was skinny weakling with an abysmal 27% KO percentage! Rocky 💕 Lovers will never mention that! Simply put LaStarza was a low-power featherfisted powderpuffer. Name me ONE quality proven prime authentic 200+ lb Heavyweight Marciano fought? NONE!!! ZERO!!!
None of Marciano's opponents were as good as Larry homes Ken Norton Joe Frazier George Foreman Jerry Cooney Ali and many many more! and then he fought a old retired Joe Lewis Joe Louis in his prime would have stopped him in rd8 but he fought the best that was there at the time! So that's what makes him so good! Xpro boxer founder of boxing VS ufc and best fight predictor of all times Rocky the Eastern Assassin!
Marciano didn't have the highest percentage of punches thrown per round, 240 lb Ike Ibeabuchi did!! And Marciano only went 15 rounds ONE time, the rest were 4 6 8 and 10 round fights. Why y'all gotta 'Exaggerate' so much??
Why do “y’all gotta hate so much? I know it pains you to see an undefeated Caucasian living in your mind rent free even after almost 70 years of retirement.
Just want you to know that every time I see you crying in the comments of a Marciano video it makes my day. It's amazing to see someone so threatened by a man who retired almost 70 years ago. You must have a 3 inch pecker.
Dropping bombs once again🥊💣💥
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Boxers then just keep on trading punches and blows. Now either boxers run around or do too much clinching .
A pushing match.
I always thought Marciano never took a step backwards? Well i just witnessed 193 lb Rex Layne control and push Rocky backwards majority of their fight. Imagine if 240 David Tua or 245 lb Ike Ibeabuchi were fightin Marciano. What a shame Marciano was cursed with bantamweight alligator 🐊 dwarfism arms.
More T Rex really.
You were obviously blessed with dwarfism of the brain.
Cada vez me convenzo más qué es verdad lo que la gente antigua desia Que justo en la época de roky marciano no avían Buenos boxeadores exepto yoe valcort roky lo miro y no lo encuentro un boxeador fuera de série sólo qué era duro bueno le ganó a yoe loes porque era de avansada edad si roki marciano uviera estado en la época de Ali la uviera visto muy difícil
This fight is a joke. Cockell was the European Champ but lost to Randy Turpin. So why is Rocco ( Joe Palooka ) comic book fake fighting a loser instead of Randy Turpin.. Seems like Rocco was ducking a higher rated fighter. This is the invincible unbeatable Champ, more like unbeaten fake Chubby Chump Champ.
colour ? liar
Don eating Rocky's best shots, if Mike Tyson hit anyone with shots like that the fight would be over !
Like Buster Douglas, right?
The more that Rocky's fights are made available via the internet; as more information is garnered- the fight fan can appreciate how great a fighter Rocky was. I used to believe the narrative that Rocky was too short, too slow, too clumsy to stay in the ring with the likes of Ali, Tyson, Dempsey, et al. Since studying his fights, now accessible, I have concluded that it is the other way around. No one could weather his two-fisted attack. He was the best; hands-down.
And you're vision is horrible cause this whole era looks like novices compared to the average 70s-90s no one even made midcard fighting like these guys in those years so you're not sane on top of it
Anybody with good vision can clearly see this looks novic-like
tony wasn't much bigger than rocky and he had to stay away cause ray hit so hard, this man tony was way more advanced than that whole rocky era
Tony was almost koed in the 1st from a hard jab from ray and Tony was used to taking shots from his real class which would be Rock's lhw, on top of Tony fought guys with way better tech than they did in Rock's era
Tony in his real class which was lhw which is what rock was, tony couldn't fight how he usually fought vs mercer for the reason I said, tony had to resort to staying away and basically running cause of the big weight difference and he wasn't used to fighting guys that heavy, so what makes you say nonsense like no one could survive rock coming forward when people in his own era gave him tough matches, when as I told you the average 70s-90s was way more advanced than this whole era, what makes you think rock could come forward fighting this horrible vs mercer when tony as I said way more advanced than this whole era couldn't who as I said was used to taking lhw shots from people way more advanced than guys in this era, see how that doesn't make any sense, rock would be koed and fast by mercer and any other Average fighter in 70s-90s
You people live in a fantasy you aren't sane at all
I even have a video on my page comparing these guys to people even no names george fought in ''70s-'90s side by side, and they look like I said they do novices these guys look horrible these guys would be laughed at facing guys in those eras
Marciano took a long time to beat an out of shape light heavy; he was one of the most overrated fighters in the history of boxing.
I get a laugh out of the comments talking about the great fighters nowadays and how they would beat the old timers. Who cares? Nobody even knows who the fighters of today are. The average person couldn't tell you who the heavyweight champion is now. In the days of Marciano, Joe Louis, Walcott, Dempsey, the heavyweight champion was one of the best know men in the world, as famous as presidents and kings. Their names are still remembered 50, 60, 70 years after they fought their last fights. So who cares that some guy fighting today is 6'9 and weighs 280 pounds. Not only won't they be remembered in 50 years, nobody even knows who they are now. Boxing is a dead sport and the only thing that matters is its history. The present is meaningless since nobody is watching.