@@Twocat5side how many middle fingers should hoyoverse throw at u to realize that genshin is their middle child, i feel like hoyoverse is holding off all qol changes that ppl want until an actual genshin competitor is on the market cuz atm there is nothing, however the latest wuthering waves cbt changes are very promising
@@Ulquiorra_Ciferdefinitely coping but I don’t think that’s the case since a lot of well received updates from hsr were Implemented into Genshin as well 😭so maybe we do have a chance
@@persivyI mean, genshin have a new creative director, and since they changed, we got some really qol changes that the community were asking for years. I hope they listen to us (copium)
I randomly pulled for Hunter’s Path at the release of Sumeru and it’s funny that I now have one of the rarest weapons xD At least it’s a good stat stick for Fischl
that was my first thought when I saw the leak, like reintroducing discontinued weapons like Hunters Path and Beacon in another way thats not from the banner
till this very day. i still dont have Skyward sword. while all of my friend who play genshin till this day in group chat have them.... maaaan why that blade dodge me so hard.
I’m skeptical, but I hope they actually do this. I still don’t have Skyward Harp, which would be a nice stat stick. I would hope they include the homeless 5-stars, as well. Beacon, Hunter’s Path, and Jade Cutter are all great weapons.
They won't right now but they might eventually. It's not that big of a deal since most of the standard 5 star weapons aren't that good anyways, or at least not that much better than some 4 star weapons
The fact that they put Cinnabar on the last Albedo trial, which took place when it was already unobtainable speaks volumes about them. And they’ll do it again on his next rerun, I’m calling it.
Skyward Spine being a side-grade of The Catch still means it's pretty decent. Sure everyone have The Catch, but we can only have 1 of it, and i can say there are more than 1 chara that want it, commonly mentioned Raiden and Xiangling. Thus idt a 2nd Catch is a bad deal.
That’s my issue - If someone’s running rational who is using catch if you don’t have a five star polearm? Right now I’m using catch on raiden and fav on xiangling and it’s working out fine, but I’d prefer to have two copies of the catch haha
Sure buy a 5 star sword for who knows how much starglitter just to have a weapon that is a little bit better on Bennett on than Sapwood Blade you can craft for free.
People are delusional if they think the 5 star weapon shop is gonna use starglitter instead of genesis crystals, hoyo will do anything in their power to prevent f2p players to have nice things.
Unless you are F2P and started playing relatively soon like within the the past 6 months sure, if youve been playing for more than a year then this is just typical genshin player whining. Not sorry.
I think they were just parroting Jstern, who said that he thinks Bennett is niche now (which is a crazy take). His reasoning being, you only use Bennett with a 2nd Pyro character, granted this was pre-Navia.
@@faerieinwonderland Good choice since it's technically his best weapon. Unless you have Keqing or Ayaka though. I'd give it to one of them before Bennett.
Don't understand why people shit on Skyward Spine. It is as good or better than The Catch - which everyone loves. You get The Catch for free? BUT you can only have ONE of The Catch and many characters like to use it. I use both all the time and it is just about the best thing you can put on Shenhe. Of course, if you have other good 5-star polearms, you don't need it much - which he said for the high-ranked weapons on his list, so that shouldn't count against it.
I dont know what youre taliking about since spine its literaly 5% worse than the catch, a free weapon that also requires less resources to level up since it is a 4 star (on xiangling). on Raiden, it's 1% better than the catch. And shenhe, well you can use it, but why pass up her BiS, Fav. it helps a lot in the teams shes played in like Wrio (melt) and ayaka, and is a great option for the fact that it is a high base atk 4 star. Spine just has no niche since its outshined by the catch and Fav because its passive is useless, and its oomph as a 5 star weapon doesn't make up for it. Maybe one day people will use it, but today is not that day.
Got my first fav lance in 3.4 as a 1.0 starter. Also, have often used raiden and xl at the same time in an abyss. Spine would be such a good pull for me from standard.
@@THESocialJusticeWarrior the only characters who want catch is xiangling and Raiden, and Raidens most used teams now are HB. So it's usually just xiangling now. I don't know who else uses the catch other than xiangling.
I'd say the biggest sell for Skyward spine is actually Shenhe. It's still the highest base atk for polearm and Shenhe really want ER too. But Shenhe is pretty niche. More people have and use raiden for sure but if you're f2p and lack weapons (just starting etc.) you can just build EM raiden as its much easier and enables a lot of teams. So the value of Skyward Spine overall isn't that high.
@@tongzaggo Yeah but it's not worthless like Zajef suggests. You are also right with Shenhe but she can use fav, while giving fav to Raiden/XL makes them lose personal damage.
They are all bait and not worth giving up starglitter that can become characters or non terrible weapons. The shop is largely bait as a whole because even constellations for 4*s will eventually come to your account by playing long enough, the only exception are the standard 4*s Kaeya, Lisa, Amber if you really like them.
Been trying to make a really maxed Bennett for a while now and I just don't see the argument for aquila over skyward considering how much ER he really needs. It's literally his most important stat considering that base attack isn't really a true stat. Bennett really wants like 230-270 ER and if you can get enough from weapon and substats then you can also run noblesse which ought to be a larger buff than 70 extra base attack i'd think having not done the math
agree, skyward blade is incredibly comfortable with the ER stat while having a high base. i have aquila yet i never use it on bennett because of how much energy i'd be missing out on- three taps on his skill and his burst is full w/ skyward.
@@phoenixlau I've heard the same thing said about skyward. Kinda fair because it's very cope on just about any other character. Aquila is really a terrible weapon though, sword users and phys dmg have no synergy. it pains me seeing it in S tier especially above harp lol
@@bluuchandesu can't deny the high atk stat tho, I use it since it's my only 5 star sword. ER definitely does feel a bit lacking but the buff more than makes up for it. I just don't think it's worth going out of your way to buy, at least it made sense in the previous guide to use if you had, but here it's about what's worth buying, and nobody's willingly buying Aquila 😭
@@bluuchandesu I used to use Aquila back in the day and it made sense when I only used Bennett in International, because he still recharged before XL. Since I got a Skyward and reluctantly leveled it, I haven't looked back though. In my eyes a slightly higher attack buff can't make up for smooth rotations without bothering to spend time on Bennett.
I hate when he does character based weapon quality. It doesnt feel right for an experienced TC to do that. especially for purchasable weapons and comparisons to other options. for example. Aquila is BiS for 1-2 characters, while a weapon like JWS or Lost Prayer are great options on a large variety of characters. I as a somewhat experience F2P metaslave, believe that a 20% upgrade on 6 characters is better than a 30% upgrade on just one. Especially when I have a limited amount of currency and no other way to secure good upgrades for my characters. I would remake the list with just the basic S A B C D tiers and have PJW and Harp in S, Skyward blade, WGS and Lost prayer in A, Aquila, Skyward atlas. skyward spine in B Amos in C and Skyward Pride in D. This is because the spear and bow options are much larger universal upgrades than Aquila as it is only a marginal and unimportant upgrade to only one character, aswell as 5 star bow and spear options can often help characters get to their stat breakpoints while aquila only gives some healing and a slightly bigger atk buff. allot to read through but this has happened twice recently with aquila bias and it seems wrong to me. Would love if you would care to prove me wrong though. (hell the only reason I wouldnt put Aquila in the lowest tier is strictly because of bennett) (I wonder if sometimes in ur lists you forget that just because most other 5 star options are better. they arent always as accessible)
More than 2 years of playing, R3 PJWS, and still not a single 5* catalyst (from Standard). I hope they implement this and I REALLY hope they include Hunter’s Path and Beacon 🙈
It wouldnt be free. Hoyo is actually doing the playerbase a favor by not putting those bad weapons on the shop as it would not be worth the pulls to get them. I think the HSR lightcones cost 35 pulls worth of starglitter, thats more than halfway to a good weapon on the banner or a character
@@luminous3558 In Star Rail they are the equivalent of 30 wishes. For 30, I think that would be pretty reasonable to buy generally good stuff like Harp or Skyward Blade, especially for F2P that wouldn't normally touch weapon banner. The problem is that the Star Rail weapons are way more niche, so I think that's why their economy is balanced around it. They are meant for refines, not filling gaps. Instead, you get 5-star shop weapons like Clara's (I just got a 2nd one from standard 💀), which is completely useless on any other destruction character.
We just had a massively spread incorrect leak with the 4* skin selection, i don't think anyone should put much stake in any leaks rn that are not character data from betas.
It wasn't incorrect though, it actually exists. People just made wrong assumption about method to obtain it, which anyone with half a functioning brain and knowledge of past Mihoyo behavior with skins would immediately be able to dismiss as fanciful thinking.
@@Yoanka There's a new Genshin PS5 hardware bundle that just came out in China. It includes digital voucher for various generic stuff like currency, including the skin selector. So it's like God of War fans being upset at other people getting a download code for Ragnarok from PS5 bundle. "It's not fair, why do I have to buy and they don't, whaaaaaa"
@@phoenixlau So it may be a recurring thing if we get large promotional bundles like that, but for now it's irrelevant to global servers. Gotcha. Thanks for the answer.
If you use Raiden in Bennet less teams the Skyward value ump up a lot. Like in a Raiden/Furina/Yelan/Jean or a Raiden/Chevi/Kujou/Xiangling team. The higher base attak scale better in the first team because you don't have attack buffs and it is scale better in the second team with Chevi's buff and with Noblesse as well. Otherwise Skyward can be good on Shenhe if you have enough energy, it is pretty much a mddle ground between Favonius and Calamity. But otherwise true, it is one of the least valuble in the bunch.
@@xxx_lolidestroyer69_xxxuwu58 Considering we don't know how big the cost will be for this weapens it is possible thet you can have it much more chaeply then an Engulfing. Though I would not buy this weapen before I get a Skyward Blade, but I think calling it entirly useless a little bit a streach, I mean it is a Catch sidegrade and not as if you never would want to use two Catch in the same time. + I think it is important for people who pulled it by chance to talk about this weapen use as well. I useing it on my Raiden and it is a very great weapen for her, before I get her I used it on Shenhe. And yes I know about Zajeff's heresy so I try to ignore it.
1: Nobody plays non Bennett Raiden pre C2 in no dendro comp 2: Raiden mains would rather get the Catch 3: It's better on Xiangling and Shenhe (but needs high refine which seems to be the goal if this is not buyable with Genesis only)
@@nonamepasserbya6658 1. I play Raiden Bennet-less in Chevi teams and as you already said in dendro teams, like aggravate or quicken. + A lot of people do with Furina-Yelan-Jean core. It is a nice team, though can't use it because I don't have Jean. 2. Catch is good. Everyone should get it if for nothing else for Xiangling. My point was thet if you use her without Bennet the Catch became much worse, though still a good weapen. (And as I established in the first point Raiden is played Bennet-less, especially nowadays. We have options, yey.) 3. High refinment is not needed for Shenhe at all, you don't really useing the passive with her, it is a high base attack and ER% stat stick. Like Skyward Blade for Bennet. In the case of Xiangling, because you use her mostly with Bennet the Catch and Spine does'nt really differ, though if you use her outside of Bennet teams it still should be better then Catch, though in thet case I would rather use Favonius anyway. Bonus: I forgot to mention but it is a very nice weaepn on Rosaria as well, because if you use her in freez the higher base attack is valuble and if you use her in melt you propably will use Xiangling as well so the Catch already used. It is not amazing or anything but a nice stat stick.
@@reactiondavant-garde3391 1: Not everyone have Chev C6 or even C0 (case in point yours truly). Bennet is in Shop 2: If you use Xiangling without Bennett and DMG spear then might as well use Thoma...? 3: Rosaria f2p build wants PJWS (also tradable if leak is true) or Fav, Bonus: Crit Rate on Spine passive can help others mald a bit less on Crit subs so yes it is great at high refinements for Xiangling. Rosa don't need it since Cyro has decent amount of Crit (assuming it's tradeable for F2P and not a PS5 exclusive again)
Harp is like 12-15% better in a lot of comps then Stringless R5 for Fischl if you are using Golden Troupe and even greater if Furina is there as well, its the nerdy type of math thing im surprised he forgot, not completely specific to harp just any of the 5* crit bows gained back their value with GT specifically, but Harp would be really easy way to get into this next tier damage if we could somehow purchase 5* weapons. 2pc 2pc its less a difference, where Stringless shines, but in the absolute best situation the difference is pretty huge, Stringless doesn't scale that well with GT, or worst case scenario would scale horribly in anything with Furina+GT, for instance Koko Taser or Neuve where you might want to use her.
Zajef describes outgrowing XQ as “whaling but honestly there’s a reasonable level for f2P’s to either work towards Furina Yelan comps or simply have them earlier. I know a guy with Furina XQ Yelan all c0. I think Zajef is coping a little bit about WHEN you outgrow XQ. It can happen a lot earlier.
Sorry but that sounds unrealistic, Leaks or not. Just look at the "skin selector" thing, leakers said it will be given out for free but it isnt (or it is if you buy a ps5 in china I guess).
Hmm, but do we really know for sure yet what 5 star weapons might be available in this potentially brand new shop? I'm just saying we shouldn't rule out hunters path or beacon since they've never had a single rerun since they first released
I haven’t gotten a single catalyst billet in something like six whole months. Zajef is truly cooking with those craftables, getting them to R5 is a bigger accomplishment than pulling a standard five star.
@@vladdyru Zajef is working on the assumption that it's PS5 locked like the skins. If it's more like Star Rail system then yes, R5 Harp can even beat R1 Aqua as sig
Man's really went ahead and rated Xiao's BiS and very strong options for Raiden hyper, Hu Tao as 'whatever characters' 💀(i think he forgot that Raiden can be played non-hyperbloom 💀💀) Also I'm pretty sure that Harp R1 always deals more damage for Fischl than Stringless R5 in both regular and aggravate teams. It's not by a much, but it's still better, and it provides harder to get crit stats.
I have only ever gotten 5 5 star weapons on standard and it’s 2 lost prayers and 3 skyward spines. The odds of getting 3 skyward spines out of 5 from a pool of 10 weapons is 4.86% and I somehow got that. The reason I know that is because I calculated it after the 3rd skyward spine because I just couldn’t believe getting another skyward spine.
@@LordFinkensteindamn, hopefully you find yourself a main who's a bow user. For me, I keep getting 5 star characters (Jean c3, Mona, Dehya c1, Tighnari c1, Qiqi), and only weapon ever was Aquila Favonia (and i love my Aquila Favonia).
I mean, a the catch sidegrade is pretty good when you want to run both raiden and xiangling. and I mean... raiden has very popular team comps with xiangling, not to mention you might wanna just run them on other sides. so in that regard, I'd say skyward spine is a bit better than he gives it credit for.
I mean the issue is wolf isn’t better than 4 star options a lot of times, and even if it is it’s marginal. Mailed flower is probably better on Diluc. The recent event Claymore won’t be much different for Navia, etc. It’s probably nice for Beidou lacking serpent spine or the burst damage buffing claymore that’s only on weapon banners, but not much better.
@@twigz3214Well if you don't have the event claymore when you get Navia in the future, you'll need a decent claymore and this would be the best f2p option. I have both Verdict and the melusine sword so I probably wouldn't use it on anyone (can't foresee a situation where I would use so many claymore characters that wouldn't be able to just use those weapons), but future players may not want to test their luck if Verdict is paired with a less universally good weapon next time it gets featured, or pay for BP. It's definitely a reasonable option
@@CryomancerMK1 I do have it and it has been unused for over a year. Most accounts that have it won't use it. R1 Serpent spine is better, Mailed flower is better for vape, and various other 4 star options are also better. The new event Claymore is also more or less the same value in all situations, with it being so slightly behind it won't often matter at all.
tbh a lot of late late late players cant be arsed for these changes, like, wow im gonna get another standard 5star, wow another standard 5star weapon, it's 3years, we get all we get already
@@BlackoutdmcIts not worth the currency tho… if its starglitter just turn those into limited wishes why would you waste it on a standard weapon. None of them are best in slot on any character except for PJWS on Xiao and even then Xiao isnt a well recieved character so most people dont have him anyways. This new system is so you waste ur cashback and have to spend real money to regain those wishes. The game is a cash cow and nothing else when it comes to wishing…
@@Cipher132 It's a game, and players are free to spend their currency however they please. Personally, I would rather trade in 30 wishes for a 5 star weapon if it's better than what I have currently. I don't think you guys quite understand how much better certain standard 5 stars are compared to certain 4 stars at R1.
I feel like he forgot that if theyre in the shop it becomes alot more reasonable to compare R5 versions of the standard 5* weapons to R1 signature or 4* weapons i also just dont agree that wgs is cope bc it works on every claymore character except itto whereas redhorn and Broken pine are stuck to Def/Phys characters id rather use wgs than fish or prototype and itd be easier to get wgs from shop than pay for bacon or verdict if you have too much atk% from wgs just use a EM sands or an ER sands or look for different substats
I do agree that WGS isn't cope, but the Redhorn isn't stuck to just def characters. It's such a strong stat stick that almost any claymore that wants a decent bit of dps will benefit from it, even without making any use of its passives. 88.2% crit damage is pretty universally good.
Stop buying crap from the starglitter shop, its not free. 5 starglitter is a pull so by spending it on worthless things like 4* cons or weapons that will rot on the bank you stop your account progression by a decent amount. You will eventually pull on banners that have shop 4*s on them. Getting an R5 standard weapon at HSR prices would be 150 pulls worth of stardust and would also require you to spend like 700 pulls to get the stardust in the first place.
If your getting glitter anyway. R5 skyward harp for an additional 40 crit damage could be tempting. That's just over 80 CV from your weapon. With its high base attack that kinda makes it better than a low refinement Aqua Simulacra.
With regards to the first section of the video, I never look at Questionable leaks, ever. They range from vague to absolutely debunked a few days later. Just stick to the Reliable tag and view them as they come before they get DMCA struck
It's always funny to me how Zajef talks about "This weapon sucks because The Catch exists" even though this mf is too lazy to fish to get it himself lmao.
I think he has it on his TW account. I remember him fishing for it in the beginning of that acc when he was speedrunning 36 stars(That was 2 years ago I think. It was first around the first Raiden banner). Can't really blame a man not wanting to fish in 2 accounts
Putting Wolfs Gravestone in Cope is crazy. That needs to be near the top. Dare i say it's the best, most flexable 5 star option. (For standard weapons) I also can't condon Aquila being at the top considering Bennet is really the only one who WANTS to use it. But is ultimately an inferior option to Skyward Blade because of its very useful ER substat, as opposed to physical damage. Rest of the list is fair.
WGS is pretty cope. It is outdone by all three crit stat, limited, five star claymores. For shielded characters, Unforged is better. It has some use for off-field support types, but those are generally better off with the likes of a Fav. Heck, for most teams, the Fontaine crafted claymore at high refines is better than a low refine WGS, in regards to attack for a damage dealer. Don't get me wrong, there are far worse standard five star weapons. It is overall, an okay weapon, not a bad one to use. But is it worth spending currency to get? No.
@Axterix13 Bro really just said use Unforged or Favonus Greatsword instead of WGS. XD Let me break it down for you. Unforged hasn't shown its face for about 630~ days. We're probably never going to see Beacon again, but I would LOVE to br wrong about that. Verdict is good, but a little Niche, and requires a geo unit in the party to make full use. So that leaves us with Stonethresher, which is solid with its 88% CD alone, but passive is going to be useless on all but Itto and Noelle. So, on any character who's best in slots aren't these customize 5 star weapons, WGS is going to be their most competitive option. I maintain, that WGS is one of the best standard weapons period.
@@Blackoutdmc The issue with WGS is also the characters that can utilize it though compared to other 4 star options (and also Serpent Spine for BP buyers). 5 star claymores are all not that great because of SS, to be fair. Diluc with Xianyun will be preferring Rainslasher, same with Ga Ming. Itto and Noelle would rather use Whiteblind. For Navia, WGS is barely better than Melusine when ER is normalized (although this is probably its best use case). A lot of underwhelming claymore characters (Chongyun, Xinyan, Dori, etc.,) aren't really that relevant. Eula is fine with WGS but it's similar to Pride (a bit worse possibly), and gets outdamaged by Akoumaru. Outside of Beidou and Navia, WGS is usually worse than a 4 star option, and that's disregarding Serpent Spine, if SS is counted then WGS is almost always worse. I don't think it's a terrible weapon, but IMO that's kind of the definition of "kinda cope" in that it's almost never a weapon that you'd actually want, just something you live with. I have WGS (2 actually) and I use it on Navia, but if I didn't have them I wouldn't be much worse off using Pride or Melusine, much less Serpent Spine.
i think skyward harp fischl won the war against stringless with the release of the golden troupe set, the stringless passive is now significantly weaker than it used to be when fischl is on her bis set. and if you're using golden troupe fischl with furina for whatever reason (which i do lol) then the stringless passive is completely useless since you're stacking like 150 dmg% without an electro goblet lol. so pls lemme buy a skyward harp from the starglitter shop
Im on fielding yae whenever i play her so personally that lost prayer would be awesome, but if say, hunters path or beacon were added to the shop then im getting one of them for sure. Ultimately tho im not confident they'll actually do that but it'd be nice if they did
Hopefully they would add some of the non standard 5 star weapons that's never going to rerun again, like the Primordial Jade Cutter. It's the Staff of Homa of swords.
What would you use in place of gravestone as a free to play then on characters like Beidou, Freminet, Dehya, Gaming (if you don’t have Xianyun), Eula, Chongyun, Diluc that would make “buying” gravestone cope?
I love how the very first weapon he tiers is Spine into Garbage tier, Spine was my first 5* weapon icant At least i could make it my Raiden's weapon, the Catch is glued to XL she won't let it go >:(
Sad the Blackcliff and Royal weapon sets fell off so hard. I've always really liked the look of them but I've pretty much never found a use for them other than early on in like 1.x-2.x I thought about getting a Blackcliff Greatsword but haven't really since.
@@nonamepasserbya6658 Yeah, sorry I should've put them in two different categories. Mostly thinking about Blackcliff since I was thinking of getting them since why not so thinking of them a lot recently
Ganyu as a "whatever character" is so crazy lmao She's not turbo broken or anything but it's just insane to say that she doesn't qualify as a good/tier 2 character
Imo, Jade Spear deserves a higher ranking, since any spear dps that doesn't use the catch would love it. That translates to just Xiao and Hutao, but Hutao is a pretty great character. For an F2P player, their next best (guaranteed) option is blackcliff, which is uh
I've wanted a Harp for 3 years until I gave up and pulled from Lyney's weapon banner. No regrets though, I'm happy to be past needing the perma weapons I don't have. Hopefully they don't scam us too bad with the prices so everyone here can get their weapons too!
I recently pulled jade spear on random multi which annoyed me cause I probably wouldn’t use it with Homa being available and maxed for Xiangling and others and I really want to finally get wolf gravestone hopefully soon just for fun builds like Sayu or Xinyan.
Skyward Harp is a whole lot better than R1 stringless. R5 might be equal but I don't have R5 Stringless on any of my accounts after playing for 3 years because too many character needs it so at best I end up with like, 3 copies of r2 or r3 or something. Skyward Harp is also a CRIT RATE weapon. Those enable using Crit Damage circlets which are mostly unusuable even if they roll well without a CR weapon because it's extremely unlikely to roll over 65 Crit Rate from substats only. Most of those circlets are collecting dust for me because there are barely any f2P accessible CR weapons in the game. Harp is easily the best standard weapon in the game.
Is Lost Prayer R1 better than Amber R5 on Neuvillette? I use him mostly with C3 Furina in hyperbloom and sometimes in different teams where he's only hydro unit also I'll go for his C1 at his rerun.
Don't use Lost Prayer on Neuv, the ATK is completely wasted. Whereas every part of Prototype Amber is useful for him, making it the default non-signature option.
Yeah I haven't used bennett in a while. Sumeru just gave too many other options so now its really easy to not use xiangling and bennett on either teams.
I mean, I've been playing for 2 years and never used bennet. I've tried with a sapwood he just never seemed worth it. I guess I'd try him again if i could get one of these. I've actually been using skyward spine alot recently.
arent the weapons in star rail shop kinda a scam? like... its 30 pulls woryh for a standard 5 star lightcone. i feel like those 30 pulls are way better spend on anything limited instead. i feel like its all bait to spend ur limited currency on non limited stuff
If you’ve accounted for the difference in pull value between Genshin & HSR, then 30 is pretty good for something like a copy of Lost Prayer or a Skyward Blade. Same for PJWS, that’s a pretty good deal. Therefore I very much doubt that they’ll ever introduce an exchange at that rate, their greed knows no bounds. They’ll probably offer them for an absurd amount of genesis crystals, if that.
I can see the reasoning of Aquila being on top since the only thing you care about Bennett is giving him as much ER as possible so it doesn't matter if the weapon doesn't have ER substat. As for Skyward Sword... It's whatever on Bennett but for Jean Amenoma is way better. I don't agree about Skyward Atlas cuz Zajef's argument is a very hypothetical situation of having too much crit that you need to balance it with ATK. Wolf's Gravestone has truly fallen off mainly because Tidal Shadow is basically a 4-star copy of WGS that can potentially be better as you can have 100% uptime on it.
I have have skyward sword, harp, blade, wgs, pjws, atlas. The only 2 i actually use are harp and blade (on xingqui very rarely). People are saying hes coping with aquila but oh what I would give for a weapon that is actually an increase for lyney and navia lol.
He doesn't use Catch on either because he is too lazy to fish. So I think his roundabout logic is if he doesn't use Catch, then Spine is just as useless. I agree that Spine is great though.
Aquilla favonia, a weapon which is useless on all characters except one, a character who also has multiple f2p options which are all really good(sapwood,fav,ally flash), gets placed in the highest tier possible meanwhile something like jade spear which is one of the best options for most polearm units and is the best in slot for xiao gets placed a 2 tiers below it on the same tier as amos bow. This guys is burning the kitchen day by day lol. Geez, what happened to him after 4.0 ? Dudes spitting L takes every single patch lol.
The f2p options you pointed out don't have the highest base atk possible to get the most out of the Bennett buff. Not every team needs Bennett, but characters that benefit from attack buffs will likely have Bennett in their teams. I don't agree with the tierlist fully, but he brought up valid reasons for why he organized his that way. Your post seems to imply that you skipped over the explanation and stared at the list.
@@LovinTheSickBeat The point is that that increase isnt worth pulls or money. The 100 atk you gain from the higher base you also lose on the ER side as you dont have a substat which means you will be stuck on bennet more often to funnel energy.
@@neuvil and most of the characters u mentioned see a bigger/similar increase if u give them jade spear instead of giving bennet aquilla. U only get about 200 more atk from bennet buff with aquila instead of sapwood. In exchange u lose the ER from sapwood and the EM(even if u dont pick up the flower its still not worth it to go aquilla). Seeing how in most furina teams, bennet is built with as much healing as possible, that lost ER is even harder to replace. Also even for the character u mentioned, ur not gonna run them with bennet all the time. Xiao teams going foward wont use bennet cuz xianyun exists and Raidens double hydro teams dont use bennet. Also, there are more polearm dps units than what u mentioned there. Cyno teams dont use bennet at all and hutao teams can use bennet but xianyun and jean versions of the team are very close interms of dps.
@@LovinTheSickBeat sure but still, sapwood and fav exists and they are better in some scenarios than aquilla. Also he himself admitted that skyward can also be better than aquilla. But the thing with skyward is that there are more units that can use that and not just bennet. Meanwhile aquilla is specifically only for bennet. U also have to consider that f2p options for most polearm dps units arent good. Raiden and XL can use the catch but what about the others ? Xiao has none except the blackcliff series which is just cope atp. Hutao has white tassel but its pretty mid in comparison to other weps. Cyni has.... none aside from kitten i think ? A 5* wep on a carry is more often a better dps increase than 200 more atk from a bennet buff. I agree that xiao is not bennet and bennet is used more in teams but u cant disregard the fact that pjws is one of the best options for any polearm dps and that there are cases where giving the carry a pjws is better than giving aquilla to bennet.
i don't think zajaf noticed that "good on a whatever character" is better than "good on a great/good character". because a great character already caries the weapon to be good, but a whatever character can't carry the weapon as much, so if it's good on them it means it's overall better than whatever weapon being "good" on a great character.
Good on whatever means it's good on the likes of Dori/Xinyan aka not good at all. The only weapon he misjudge is Spine (good for Xiangling/Shenhe) but even that needs some refinements
I don't have the sumeru weapons bc I hate the walking beans. Also don't have any 5* sword. My Bennett is starving. Most 4* swords and spears are pretty bad for DPS characters like Xiao or Ayaka, compared to other weapons. Any 5* is better than that. But they will probably cost cash.
Put Beacon and Hunter’s path in the shop damnit. Also, after getting almost every signature weapon in the game somehow I still don’t have Skyward Atlas.
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5 star weapons for starglitter?
Sure, grandma. Let’s get you ready for bed.
Hsr
@@Twocat5side how many middle fingers should hoyoverse throw at u to realize that genshin is their middle child, i feel like hoyoverse is holding off all qol changes that ppl want until an actual genshin competitor is on the market cuz atm there is nothing, however the latest wuthering waves cbt changes are very promising
@@Ulquiorra_Ciferdefinitely coping but I don’t think that’s the case since a lot of well received updates from hsr were Implemented into Genshin as well 😭so maybe we do have a chance
@@persivyI mean, genshin have a new creative director, and since they changed, we got some really qol changes that the community were asking for years. I hope they listen to us (copium)
@@moonsblossom FR?? 😭 do u have a link or something (not doubting you I just wanna know more about it)
I wish they make Hunter's Path and Beacon somehow accessible again.
And jade cutter
@@macobus6743 jade cutter always comes with albedo banner iirc
@@macobus6743 Oh yeah, Jade Cutter isn't tied any any specific character either.
I randomly pulled for Hunter’s Path at the release of Sumeru and it’s funny that I now have one of the rarest weapons xD At least it’s a good stat stick for Fischl
that was my first thought when I saw the leak, like reintroducing discontinued weapons like Hunters Path and Beacon in another way thats not from the banner
You spend 100$ on the standard weapon.
I get it for free from the standard banner.
We are not the same.
It should be us
I got skyward harp
till this very day. i still dont have Skyward sword. while all of my friend who play genshin till this day in group chat have them.... maaaan why that blade dodge me so hard.
@@sudiptaday7875 Plot twist: He has 3 Atlas, 3 Aquila and 3 Pride
After the patch, Spiral Abyss is definitely top tier
The upcoming worm abyss shouldn’t be too bad. At least it’s finally properly divided, with AoE on one side & cringe-inducing bosses on the other.
spiral abyss powercreeps big oppa??!!)(??😨😨😨😨😨
@@vladdyru true that is always a welcome thing imo. Just use neuvillette one side and ganyu on the other.
@@Shura31412idk ganyu might not be powerful enough anymore if the new abyss is actually hard (which I don't believe it will be lmao)
I’m skeptical, but I hope they actually do this. I still don’t have Skyward Harp, which would be a nice stat stick. I would hope they include the homeless 5-stars, as well. Beacon, Hunter’s Path, and Jade Cutter are all great weapons.
jade cutter too good for them to put in standard theyll never do it lmfao
i got 3 skyward spines and 2 aquilas in my almost 3 years of playing. thats all -_-
They won't right now but they might eventually. It's not that big of a deal since most of the standard 5 star weapons aren't that good anyways, or at least not that much better than some 4 star weapons
@@Strashkyliterally all i want is amos or lost prayer, and instead i get two jade spears and 2 skyward sword
@@frgal1336 i wish i had that instead :(
I wish they added old event weapons like Cinnabar Spindle / Festering Desire / etc.
The fact that they put Cinnabar on the last Albedo trial, which took place when it was already unobtainable speaks volumes about them. And they’ll do it again on his next rerun, I’m calling it.
Justice for Alby
They should make all the event weapons available in shop.
If they haven't been available for a long time, yes. Newer players deserve a chance at these old gems.
Especially the stupid fking 4star albedo bis
And start with the oldest ones first
leakers 🤝 astrologers
let's give information so vague it has to be applicable!
Skyward Spine being a side-grade of The Catch still means it's pretty decent. Sure everyone have The Catch, but we can only have 1 of it, and i can say there are more than 1 chara that want it, commonly mentioned Raiden and Xiangling. Thus idt a 2nd Catch is a bad deal.
That’s my issue - If someone’s running rational who is using catch if you don’t have a five star polearm? Right now I’m using catch on raiden and fav on xiangling and it’s working out fine, but I’d prefer to have two copies of the catch haha
@@mavis8668 Swap Fav to Raiden, she can proc it more then XL and their dmg is about even in this team
Skyward Spine is cracked on Raiden
Should I refine my Skyward Spine??? I pulled a 2nd one and its been sitting there in my inventory at lv0 out of spite@@orzdxy
“Spiral Abyss Buffed” has me hollering
spiral abyss is gonna be the strongest character in the game😍😍😍😍
Sure buy a 5 star sword for who knows how much starglitter just to have a weapon that is a little bit better on Bennett on than Sapwood Blade you can craft for free.
i'd say 100-150
He's on so much cope lol , WGS , skyward harp and PJWS are the best in the standard banner no contest lol
At what price you think you would buy?
These are the people that never learn any moves that doesn't do damage in a pokemon game
@@kingdoom5022 Fr right?? I agree on u 100%
People are delusional if they think the 5 star weapon shop is gonna use starglitter instead of genesis crystals, hoyo will do anything in their power to prevent f2p players to have nice things.
These arent nice things. Buying these with your starglitter is basically throwing away account progress to get a copium option for a niche character.
Unless you are F2P and started playing relatively soon like within the the past 6 months sure, if youve been playing for more than a year then this is just typical genshin player whining. Not sorry.
@@AgentSephiroth kk, hoyo dickrider bot.
5:12 the silence LMAO 😭😭😭
literally like unless a character doesn't scale with attack or have some weird anti synergy with pyro they WILL want bennett😭
I got mistsplitter because it’s a good dps sword and ended up giving it to Bennett 💀
I think they were just parroting Jstern, who said that he thinks Bennett is niche now (which is a crazy take). His reasoning being, you only use Bennett with a 2nd Pyro character, granted this was pre-Navia.
@@faerieinwonderland
Good choice since it's technically his best weapon. Unless you have Keqing or Ayaka though. I'd give it to one of them before Bennett.
@@DanmakuMaster I don’t use keqing as much and don’t have Ayaka hahaha
Don't understand why people shit on Skyward Spine. It is as good or better than The Catch - which everyone loves. You get The Catch for free? BUT you can only have ONE of The Catch and many characters like to use it. I use both all the time and it is just about the best thing you can put on Shenhe. Of course, if you have other good 5-star polearms, you don't need it much - which he said for the high-ranked weapons on his list, so that shouldn't count against it.
I dont know what youre taliking about since spine its literaly 5% worse than the catch, a free weapon that also requires less resources to level up since it is a 4 star (on xiangling). on Raiden, it's 1% better than the catch. And shenhe, well you can use it, but why pass up her BiS, Fav. it helps a lot in the teams shes played in like Wrio (melt) and ayaka, and is a great option for the fact that it is a high base atk 4 star.
Spine just has no niche since its outshined by the catch and Fav because its passive is useless, and its oomph as a 5 star weapon doesn't make up for it. Maybe one day people will use it, but today is not that day.
@@MsDestroyer900, but you only get one Catch and I have many characters that want it.
Got my first fav lance in 3.4 as a 1.0 starter. Also, have often used raiden and xl at the same time in an abyss. Spine would be such a good pull for me from standard.
@@THESocialJusticeWarrior the only characters who want catch is xiangling and Raiden, and Raidens most used teams now are HB. So it's usually just xiangling now. I don't know who else uses the catch other than xiangling.
@@MsDestroyer900, even with 2 characters, you can only have one Catch, so what does the other character use?
F for the spiral abyss, underrated character
true😔😔😔its my favourite character im so happy its getting buffed
i disagree about Skyward Spine. If you want to use both Xianling and Raiden then giving catch to XL and getting Spine for Raiden is a good idea.
tru but you can favge if you got it
I'd say the biggest sell for Skyward spine is actually Shenhe. It's still the highest base atk for polearm and Shenhe really want ER too. But Shenhe is pretty niche. More people have and use raiden for sure but if you're f2p and lack weapons (just starting etc.) you can just build EM raiden as its much easier and enables a lot of teams. So the value of Skyward Spine overall isn't that high.
@@tongzaggo Yeah but it's not worthless like Zajef suggests. You are also right with Shenhe but she can use fav, while giving fav to Raiden/XL makes them lose personal damage.
@@abortedButGoated R5 skyward spine on Xiangling with a 70/200 crit ratio on her at R5 seems to be the goal if you don't use Raiden sig on her
@@tongzaggo actual misinformation, her signature weapon has about 70 more base attack and about 50 atk% between the substat and passive.
I agree on hating leakers, they always choose the weirdest phrasings.
I just want wolf’s gravestone bc it looks cool 🧎🏽♂️
Take a shot every time zajef says “the reality is”
"Right?"
They are all bait and not worth giving up starglitter that can become characters or non terrible weapons.
The shop is largely bait as a whole because even constellations for 4*s will eventually come to your account by playing long enough, the only exception are the standard 4*s Kaeya, Lisa, Amber if you really like them.
Been trying to make a really maxed Bennett for a while now and I just don't see the argument for aquila over skyward considering how much ER he really needs. It's literally his most important stat considering that base attack isn't really a true stat. Bennett really wants like 230-270 ER and if you can get enough from weapon and substats then you can also run noblesse which ought to be a larger buff than 70 extra base attack i'd think having not done the math
Literally the argument is "I rolled Aquila, so this is my cope".
agree, skyward blade is incredibly comfortable with the ER stat while having a high base. i have aquila yet i never use it on bennett because of how much energy i'd be missing out on- three taps on his skill and his burst is full w/ skyward.
@@phoenixlau I've heard the same thing said about skyward. Kinda fair because it's very cope on just about any other character. Aquila is really a terrible weapon though, sword users and phys dmg have no synergy. it pains me seeing it in S tier especially above harp lol
@@bluuchandesu can't deny the high atk stat tho, I use it since it's my only 5 star sword. ER definitely does feel a bit lacking but the buff more than makes up for it.
I just don't think it's worth going out of your way to buy, at least it made sense in the previous guide to use if you had, but here it's about what's worth buying, and nobody's willingly buying Aquila 😭
@@bluuchandesu I used to use Aquila back in the day and it made sense when I only used Bennett in International, because he still recharged before XL. Since I got a Skyward and reluctantly leveled it, I haven't looked back though. In my eyes a slightly higher attack buff can't make up for smooth rotations without bothering to spend time on Bennett.
R5 skyward spine on xiangling is the dream. I would have a 70/200 crit ratio on her with r5.
I hate when he does character based weapon quality. It doesnt feel right for an experienced TC to do that. especially for purchasable weapons and comparisons to other options. for example. Aquila is BiS for 1-2 characters, while a weapon like JWS or Lost Prayer are great options on a large variety of characters. I as a somewhat experience F2P metaslave, believe that a 20% upgrade on 6 characters is better than a 30% upgrade on just one. Especially when I have a limited amount of currency and no other way to secure good upgrades for my characters. I would remake the list with just the basic S A B C D tiers and have PJW and Harp in S, Skyward blade, WGS and Lost prayer in A, Aquila, Skyward atlas. skyward spine in B Amos in C and Skyward Pride in D. This is because the spear and bow options are much larger universal upgrades than Aquila as it is only a marginal and unimportant upgrade to only one character, aswell as 5 star bow and spear options can often help characters get to their stat breakpoints while aquila only gives some healing and a slightly bigger atk buff. allot to read through but this has happened twice recently with aquila bias and it seems wrong to me. Would love if you would care to prove me wrong though. (hell the only reason I wouldnt put Aquila in the lowest tier is strictly because of bennett) (I wonder if sometimes in ur lists you forget that just because most other 5 star options are better. they arent always as accessible)
More than 2 years of playing, R3 PJWS, and still not a single 5* catalyst (from Standard). I hope they implement this and I REALLY hope they include Hunter’s Path and Beacon 🙈
give me that spear please i just want a useable weapon in my 3 years of genshin
On the positive side, you’ll be able to become the ultimate lamenter in just two more copies.
Same but since I am a dedicated Xiao main, I can't be mad
I regret to inform you that unless you are a Wanderer/On field Baizhu main, those 5 star free Catalyst sucks
Let's get down to earth Hoyo would never give us a free labeled 5 star even if it's gated behind tons of starglitter thingys
they already did tho
@@Strashky? When was that?
It wouldnt be free. Hoyo is actually doing the playerbase a favor by not putting those bad weapons on the shop as it would not be worth the pulls to get them.
I think the HSR lightcones cost 35 pulls worth of starglitter, thats more than halfway to a good weapon on the banner or a character
@@bishibibi star rail?
@@luminous3558 In Star Rail they are the equivalent of 30 wishes.
For 30, I think that would be pretty reasonable to buy generally good stuff like Harp or Skyward Blade, especially for F2P that wouldn't normally touch weapon banner.
The problem is that the Star Rail weapons are way more niche, so I think that's why their economy is balanced around it. They are meant for refines, not filling gaps.
Instead, you get 5-star shop weapons like Clara's (I just got a 2nd one from standard 💀), which is completely useless on any other destruction character.
We just had a massively spread incorrect leak with the 4* skin selection, i don't think anyone should put much stake in any leaks rn that are not character data from betas.
It wasn't incorrect though, it actually exists.
People just made wrong assumption about method to obtain it, which anyone with half a functioning brain and knowledge of past Mihoyo behavior with skins would immediately be able to dismiss as fanciful thinking.
@@phoenixlau What's it really about? Some genesis/Prime Gaming pack? I've only skimmed the livestream and didn't see any mention of it.
@@Yoanka There's a new Genshin PS5 hardware bundle that just came out in China.
It includes digital voucher for various generic stuff like currency, including the skin selector.
So it's like God of War fans being upset at other people getting a download code for Ragnarok from PS5 bundle.
"It's not fair, why do I have to buy and they don't, whaaaaaa"
@@phoenixlau So it may be a recurring thing if we get large promotional bundles like that, but for now it's irrelevant to global servers. Gotcha. Thanks for the answer.
11:16 you can use that argument even more on the weapons on the cat above, like quite literally sidegrades to a craftable weapon
If you use Raiden in Bennet less teams the Skyward value ump up a lot. Like in a Raiden/Furina/Yelan/Jean or a Raiden/Chevi/Kujou/Xiangling team. The higher base attak scale better in the first team because you don't have attack buffs and it is scale better in the second team with Chevi's buff and with Noblesse as well. Otherwise Skyward can be good on Shenhe if you have enough energy, it is pretty much a mddle ground between Favonius and Calamity.
But otherwise true, it is one of the least valuble in the bunch.
It's only good for Raiden really, and
1. Most Raiden mains would rather just get Engulfing anyways
2. Zajef plays Hyperbloom Raiden lol
@@xxx_lolidestroyer69_xxxuwu58
Considering we don't know how big the cost will be for this weapens it is possible thet you can have it much more chaeply then an Engulfing. Though I would not buy this weapen before I get a Skyward Blade, but I think calling it entirly useless a little bit a streach, I mean it is a Catch sidegrade and not as if you never would want to use two Catch in the same time.
+ I think it is important for people who pulled it by chance to talk about this weapen use as well. I useing it on my Raiden and it is a very great weapen for her, before I get her I used it on Shenhe.
And yes I know about Zajeff's heresy so I try to ignore it.
1: Nobody plays non Bennett Raiden pre C2 in no dendro comp
2: Raiden mains would rather get the Catch
3: It's better on Xiangling and Shenhe (but needs high refine which seems to be the goal if this is not buyable with Genesis only)
@@nonamepasserbya6658
1. I play Raiden Bennet-less in Chevi teams and as you already said in dendro teams, like aggravate or quicken. + A lot of people do with Furina-Yelan-Jean core. It is a nice team, though can't use it because I don't have Jean.
2. Catch is good. Everyone should get it if for nothing else for Xiangling. My point was thet if you use her without Bennet the Catch became much worse, though still a good weapen. (And as I established in the first point Raiden is played Bennet-less, especially nowadays. We have options, yey.)
3. High refinment is not needed for Shenhe at all, you don't really useing the passive with her, it is a high base attack and ER% stat stick. Like Skyward Blade for Bennet. In the case of Xiangling, because you use her mostly with Bennet the Catch and Spine does'nt really differ, though if you use her outside of Bennet teams it still should be better then Catch, though in thet case I would rather use Favonius anyway.
Bonus: I forgot to mention but it is a very nice weaepn on Rosaria as well, because if you use her in freez the higher base attack is valuble and if you use her in melt you propably will use Xiangling as well so the Catch already used. It is not amazing or anything but a nice stat stick.
@@reactiondavant-garde3391 1: Not everyone have Chev C6 or even C0 (case in point yours truly). Bennet is in Shop
2: If you use Xiangling without Bennett and DMG spear then might as well use Thoma...?
3: Rosaria f2p build wants PJWS (also tradable if leak is true) or Fav,
Bonus: Crit Rate on Spine passive can help others mald a bit less on Crit subs so yes it is great at high refinements for Xiangling. Rosa don't need it since Cyro has decent amount of Crit (assuming it's tradeable for F2P and not a PS5 exclusive again)
You know a game is dying when this types of videos start beign released.
The ability to just *get* a Primordial Jade Winged Spear and Amos Bow for my Xiao and Ganyu would be amazing.
Harp is like 12-15% better in a lot of comps then Stringless R5 for Fischl if you are using Golden Troupe and even greater if Furina is there as well, its the nerdy type of math thing im surprised he forgot, not completely specific to harp just any of the 5* crit bows gained back their value with GT specifically, but Harp would be really easy way to get into this next tier damage if we could somehow purchase 5* weapons. 2pc 2pc its less a difference, where Stringless shines, but in the absolute best situation the difference is pretty huge, Stringless doesn't scale that well with GT, or worst case scenario would scale horribly in anything with Furina+GT, for instance Koko Taser or Neuve where you might want to use her.
Zajef describes outgrowing XQ as “whaling but honestly there’s a reasonable level for f2P’s to either work towards Furina Yelan comps or simply have them earlier. I know a guy with Furina XQ Yelan all c0.
I think Zajef is coping a little bit about WHEN you outgrow XQ. It can happen a lot earlier.
I love how the “Amos bow” section is literally just a bennett ramble
Im convinced zajef daily is a rage bait channel
they obviously meant that the spiral abyss rewards would be buffed to give you more :D
Copium
more pain and ore
from 150 primogems to 1500 primogems per floor
Sorry but that sounds unrealistic, Leaks or not. Just look at the "skin selector" thing, leakers said it will be given out for free but it isnt (or it is if you buy a ps5 in china I guess).
each floor now having 100 chambers and non-stackable buffs@@keikaku5421
Hmm, but do we really know for sure yet what 5 star weapons might be available in this potentially brand new shop?
I'm just saying we shouldn't rule out hunters path or beacon since they've never had a single rerun since they first released
Zajef's completely negating the existence of Beidou and WGS is like... om
Bro really expects people to spend 10 whole billets on 2 different weapons for ganyu instead of just using harp
I haven’t gotten a single catalyst billet in something like six whole months. Zajef is truly cooking with those craftables, getting them to R5 is a bigger accomplishment than pulling a standard five star.
@@vladdyruyeah but if you already have the harp why even bother making craftable 4* weapon?
@@Gheniel_ No point whatsoever, Zajef just tends to overpraise F2P options.
@@vladdyru Zajef is working on the assumption that it's PS5 locked like the skins. If it's more like Star Rail system then yes, R5 Harp can even beat R1 Aqua as sig
Isn't skyward spine pretty decent for raiden? That would free up the catch for xiang. Skyward pride is good on eula and possibly gaming?
Man's really went ahead and rated Xiao's BiS and very strong options for Raiden hyper, Hu Tao as 'whatever characters' 💀(i think he forgot that Raiden can be played non-hyperbloom 💀💀)
Also I'm pretty sure that Harp R1 always deals more damage for Fischl than Stringless R5 in both regular and aggravate teams. It's not by a much, but it's still better, and it provides harder to get crit stats.
that's a good thing
so good that they didn't add it
I have only ever gotten 5 5 star weapons on standard and it’s 2 lost prayers and 3 skyward spines. The odds of getting 3 skyward spines out of 5 from a pool of 10 weapons is 4.86% and I somehow got that. The reason I know that is because I calculated it after the 3rd skyward spine because I just couldn’t believe getting another skyward spine.
Meanwhile standard banner is determined to only give me skyward harp, sitting at r4 right now.
@@LordFinkensteindamn, hopefully you find yourself a main who's a bow user.
For me, I keep getting 5 star characters (Jean c3, Mona, Dehya c1, Tighnari c1, Qiqi), and only weapon ever was Aquila Favonia (and i love my Aquila Favonia).
I feel you :c I got 2 Skyward Pride and 2 Aquila Favonia from the standard banner, but I least I got a Skyward Harp and a Lost Prayer as well
My friend gas an r5 Jade spear. He is NOT a whale. 😂
@@Blackoutdmc r5 jade spear is the dream for my 4 star cryo hutao
I mean, a the catch sidegrade is pretty good when you want to run both raiden and xiangling. and I mean... raiden has very popular team comps with xiangling, not to mention you might wanna just run them on other sides. so in that regard, I'd say skyward spine is a bit better than he gives it credit for.
as an f2p and someone who enjoys claymore characters (navia/beidou/eula/diluc) , wolf is S tier for me
I mean the issue is wolf isn’t better than 4 star options a lot of times, and even if it is it’s marginal. Mailed flower is probably better on Diluc. The recent event Claymore won’t be much different for Navia, etc. It’s probably nice for Beidou lacking serpent spine or the burst damage buffing claymore that’s only on weapon banners, but not much better.
@@twigz3214Well if you don't have the event claymore when you get Navia in the future, you'll need a decent claymore and this would be the best f2p option.
I have both Verdict and the melusine sword so I probably wouldn't use it on anyone (can't foresee a situation where I would use so many claymore characters that wouldn't be able to just use those weapons), but future players may not want to test their luck if Verdict is paired with a less universally good weapon next time it gets featured, or pay for BP. It's definitely a reasonable option
@@twigz3214Do you even have WGS? Sounds like you want that to be true lol.
@@CryomancerMK1 I do have it and it has been unused for over a year. Most accounts that have it won't use it. R1 Serpent spine is better, Mailed flower is better for vape, and various other 4 star options are also better. The new event Claymore is also more or less the same value in all situations, with it being so slightly behind it won't often matter at all.
Wolfs biggest issue is that there arent any playable claymore supports that aren't energy blackholes.
tbh a lot of late late late players cant be arsed for these changes, like, wow im gonna get another standard 5star, wow another standard 5star weapon, it's 3years, we get all we get already
I mean you say that, but I would love to get my first wolves gravestone.
@@Blackoutdmc Yeah but would you pay 30 pulls for it?
@@BlackoutdmcIts not worth the currency tho… if its starglitter just turn those into limited wishes why would you waste it on a standard weapon. None of them are best in slot on any character except for PJWS on Xiao and even then Xiao isnt a well recieved character so most people dont have him anyways. This new system is so you waste ur cashback and have to spend real money to regain those wishes. The game is a cash cow and nothing else when it comes to wishing…
@@Cipher132 It's a game, and players are free to spend their currency however they please. Personally, I would rather trade in 30 wishes for a 5 star weapon if it's better than what I have currently. I don't think you guys quite understand how much better certain standard 5 stars are compared to certain 4 stars at R1.
I feel like he forgot that if theyre in the shop it becomes alot more reasonable to compare R5 versions of the standard 5* weapons to R1 signature or 4* weapons
i also just dont agree that wgs is cope bc it works on every claymore character except itto whereas redhorn and Broken pine are stuck to Def/Phys characters id rather use wgs than fish or prototype and itd be easier to get wgs from shop than pay for bacon or verdict if you have too much atk% from wgs just use a EM sands or an ER sands or look for different substats
I do agree that WGS isn't cope, but the Redhorn isn't stuck to just def characters. It's such a strong stat stick that almost any claymore that wants a decent bit of dps will benefit from it, even without making any use of its passives. 88.2% crit damage is pretty universally good.
not if the price is like in star rail, aka: 30 summons worth = a light cone
the equivalent would be 150 dust in genshin
Stop buying crap from the starglitter shop, its not free. 5 starglitter is a pull so by spending it on worthless things like 4* cons or weapons that will rot on the bank you stop your account progression by a decent amount. You will eventually pull on banners that have shop 4*s on them.
Getting an R5 standard weapon at HSR prices would be 150 pulls worth of stardust and would also require you to spend like 700 pulls to get the stardust in the first place.
@@luminous3558 The starter 3 of Genshin is never available, go back to HSR.
If your getting glitter anyway. R5 skyward harp for an additional 40 crit damage could be tempting. That's just over 80 CV from your weapon. With its high base attack that kinda makes it better than a low refinement Aqua Simulacra.
Just disregard that with that much glitter you could pull a signature.
@@luminous3558 better than using it for more pulls.
@@luminous3558 He literally just said it's better at high ref than low ref sig. Go back to HSR troll
With regards to the first section of the video, I never look at Questionable leaks, ever. They range from vague to absolutely debunked a few days later. Just stick to the Reliable tag and view them as they come before they get DMCA struck
It's always funny to me how Zajef talks about "This weapon sucks because The Catch exists" even though this mf is too lazy to fish to get it himself lmao.
I think he has it on his TW account. I remember him fishing for it in the beginning of that acc when he was speedrunning 36 stars(That was 2 years ago I think. It was first around the first Raiden banner). Can't really blame a man not wanting to fish in 2 accounts
Will this finally be patch I manage to get a Gravestone?
I don't care if its for crystals only. It's been 3 years..
(cope)
Controversial take but I already have 3 Lost Prayers and I'd buy a 4th one because I love that catalyst so much.
Aquila: oh no it's only used in a character that doesn't exist. It's a Don't for me. I might use if it for Physical Qiqi.
Putting Wolfs Gravestone in Cope is crazy. That needs to be near the top. Dare i say it's the best, most flexable 5 star option. (For standard weapons)
I also can't condon Aquila being at the top considering Bennet is really the only one who WANTS to use it. But is ultimately an inferior option to Skyward Blade because of its very useful ER substat, as opposed to physical damage. Rest of the list is fair.
WGS is pretty cope. It is outdone by all three crit stat, limited, five star claymores. For shielded characters, Unforged is better. It has some use for off-field support types, but those are generally better off with the likes of a Fav. Heck, for most teams, the Fontaine crafted claymore at high refines is better than a low refine WGS, in regards to attack for a damage dealer.
Don't get me wrong, there are far worse standard five star weapons. It is overall, an okay weapon, not a bad one to use. But is it worth spending currency to get? No.
@Axterix13 Bro really just said use Unforged or Favonus Greatsword instead of WGS. XD
Let me break it down for you.
Unforged hasn't shown its face for about 630~ days. We're probably never going to see Beacon again, but I would LOVE to br wrong about that. Verdict is good, but a little Niche, and requires a geo unit in the party to make full use. So that leaves us with Stonethresher, which is solid with its 88% CD alone, but passive is going to be useless on all but Itto and Noelle.
So, on any character who's best in slots aren't these customize 5 star weapons, WGS is going to be their most competitive option.
I maintain, that WGS is one of the best standard weapons period.
It has s tier drip, but underperforms compared to other 5 star weapons
@@Blackoutdmc The issue with WGS is also the characters that can utilize it though compared to other 4 star options (and also Serpent Spine for BP buyers). 5 star claymores are all not that great because of SS, to be fair.
Diluc with Xianyun will be preferring Rainslasher, same with Ga Ming. Itto and Noelle would rather use Whiteblind. For Navia, WGS is barely better than Melusine when ER is normalized (although this is probably its best use case). A lot of underwhelming claymore characters (Chongyun, Xinyan, Dori, etc.,) aren't really that relevant. Eula is fine with WGS but it's similar to Pride (a bit worse possibly), and gets outdamaged by Akoumaru. Outside of Beidou and Navia, WGS is usually worse than a 4 star option, and that's disregarding Serpent Spine, if SS is counted then WGS is almost always worse.
I don't think it's a terrible weapon, but IMO that's kind of the definition of "kinda cope" in that it's almost never a weapon that you'd actually want, just something you live with. I have WGS (2 actually) and I use it on Navia, but if I didn't have them I wouldn't be much worse off using Pride or Melusine, much less Serpent Spine.
@aerohydra3849 Fair point! But the fact that you ate using your WGS over the aformentioned 4 stars still says something right?
Abyss buffed? Is it time for Ruin serpent on one side, and Setekh wenut on the other? And we also get Golden Wolflord? Pog :)
i think skyward harp fischl won the war against stringless with the release of the golden troupe set, the stringless passive is now significantly weaker than it used to be when fischl is on her bis set. and if you're using golden troupe fischl with furina for whatever reason (which i do lol) then the stringless passive is completely useless since you're stacking like 150 dmg% without an electro goblet lol. so pls lemme buy a skyward harp from the starglitter shop
Im on fielding yae whenever i play her so personally that lost prayer would be awesome, but if say, hunters path or beacon were added to the shop then im getting one of them for sure. Ultimately tho im not confident they'll actually do that but it'd be nice if they did
Hopefully they would add some of the non standard 5 star weapons that's never going to rerun again, like the Primordial Jade Cutter. It's the Staff of Homa of swords.
Skyward Harp would be good for me. Despite playing for 3 years, my Stringless is still R2.
I got 0 Stringless for 2 years of playing...
if the 5 star weapons stuff is via starglitter I better prep now cuz WGS has been avoiding me
I feel like the middle tier makes more sense as “whatever on a good character”
Can someone explain his take about acquaint Fate? Is he right?
nah lol
What would you use in place of gravestone as a free to play then on characters like Beidou, Freminet, Dehya, Gaming (if you don’t have Xianyun), Eula, Chongyun, Diluc that would make “buying” gravestone cope?
I love how the very first weapon he tiers is Spine into Garbage tier, Spine was my first 5* weapon icant
At least i could make it my Raiden's weapon, the Catch is glued to XL she won't let it go >:(
Sad the Blackcliff and Royal weapon sets fell off so hard. I've always really liked the look of them but I've pretty much never found a use for them other than early on in like 1.x-2.x I thought about getting a Blackcliff Greatsword but haven't really since.
Royal was always bad. If it switched it's passive with Blackcliff then the latter would be an amazing F2P set even if it's a bit unreliable due to RNG
@@nonamepasserbya6658 Yeah, sorry I should've put them in two different categories. Mostly thinking about Blackcliff since I was thinking of getting them since why not so thinking of them a lot recently
Ganyu as a "whatever character" is so crazy lmao
She's not turbo broken or anything but it's just insane to say that she doesn't qualify as a good/tier 2 character
lol we cant even get a skin selector without buying a 500$ ps5. Genshin would literally never. ps: I want the future to prove me wrong.
Imo, Jade Spear deserves a higher ranking, since any spear dps that doesn't use the catch would love it. That translates to just Xiao and Hutao, but Hutao is a pretty great character. For an F2P player, their next best (guaranteed) option is blackcliff, which is uh
I've wanted a Harp for 3 years until I gave up and pulled from Lyney's weapon banner. No regrets though, I'm happy to be past needing the perma weapons I don't have.
Hopefully they don't scam us too bad with the prices so everyone here can get their weapons too!
Excellent start.
I still dont get the aquila take, but thats that IG
good to see that all the standard 5* wepaons i got were dont category kekw
Zajef's twitch chat certainly has....... some of the takes of all time...
i pulled navia because a friend of mine said "if you get WGS in the future, you can put it on her"
context : i got enough primos for her but definitely not about to touch her weapon banner
I recently pulled jade spear on random multi which annoyed me cause I probably wouldn’t use it with Homa being available and maxed for Xiangling and others and I really want to finally get wolf gravestone hopefully soon just for fun builds like Sayu or Xinyan.
The new banner design is actually nice, no need to wait an entire year just to pull one character
I use harp on ganyu as the stats r mid maxed of it. But recentg i got the yoimia bow when pulling for engulfing. But ganyu doesn't NA but child does.
idk why he rates aquilla so high it’s so weird he’s the only person that would put it there like it’s mid dawg
Skyward Harp is a whole lot better than R1 stringless. R5 might be equal but I don't have R5 Stringless on any of my accounts after playing for 3 years because too many character needs it so at best I end up with like, 3 copies of r2 or r3 or something. Skyward Harp is also a CRIT RATE weapon. Those enable using Crit Damage circlets which are mostly unusuable even if they roll well without a CR weapon because it's extremely unlikely to roll over 65 Crit Rate from substats only. Most of those circlets are collecting dust for me because there are barely any f2P accessible CR weapons in the game.
Harp is easily the best standard weapon in the game.
Is Lost Prayer R1 better than Amber R5 on Neuvillette? I use him mostly with C3 Furina in hyperbloom and sometimes in different teams where he's only hydro unit also I'll go for his C1 at his rerun.
Don't use Lost Prayer on Neuv, the ATK is completely wasted. Whereas every part of Prototype Amber is useful for him, making it the default non-signature option.
if you can, use sac jade. p amber is turbo cope
@@phoenixlau you're mistaking Prayer with Atlas, Atlas gives Atk and Prayer crit rate
@@isgonnabeagreatyear don't have
I feel like im in the minority here, but I have 5 good teams and none of them use bennett😂 (taser, hyperbloom, keqing aggravate, hu tao and ayaka)
Yeah I haven't used bennett in a while. Sumeru just gave too many other options so now its really easy to not use xiangling and bennett on either teams.
I mean, I've been playing for 2 years and never used bennet. I've tried with a sapwood he just never seemed worth it. I guess I'd try him again if i could get one of these. I've actually been using skyward spine alot recently.
HUNTERS PATH IS COMING BACK WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
arent the weapons in star rail shop kinda a scam? like... its 30 pulls woryh for a standard 5 star lightcone. i feel like those 30 pulls are way better spend on anything limited instead. i feel like its all bait to spend ur limited currency on non limited stuff
For every other LC besides bronya’s yea it’s not worth it. But if you do have her then yes you should be saving to get her LC 100%
@@TerraTheWise even then, its not worth it over getting new chars.
@@kklap3219 Disagree but you do you.
If you’ve accounted for the difference in pull value between Genshin & HSR, then 30 is pretty good for something like a copy of Lost Prayer or a Skyward Blade. Same for PJWS, that’s a pretty good deal. Therefore I very much doubt that they’ll ever introduce an exchange at that rate, their greed knows no bounds. They’ll probably offer them for an absurd amount of genesis crystals, if that.
@@vladdyru then nobody buys them so no problem.
I can see the reasoning of Aquila being on top since the only thing you care about Bennett is giving him as much ER as possible so it doesn't matter if the weapon doesn't have ER substat. As for Skyward Sword... It's whatever on Bennett but for Jean Amenoma is way better.
I don't agree about Skyward Atlas cuz Zajef's argument is a very hypothetical situation of having too much crit that you need to balance it with ATK.
Wolf's Gravestone has truly fallen off mainly because Tidal Shadow is basically a 4-star copy of WGS that can potentially be better as you can have 100% uptime on it.
I have have skyward sword, harp, blade, wgs, pjws, atlas. The only 2 i actually use are harp and blade (on xingqui very rarely). People are saying hes coping with aquila but oh what I would give for a weapon that is actually an increase for lyney and navia lol.
If skyward spine is bad then wtf are you using for Xiangling and Raiden? Can't use the Catch on both.
He doesn't use Catch on either because he is too lazy to fish.
So I think his roundabout logic is if he doesn't use Catch, then Spine is just as useless. I agree that Spine is great though.
Harp is also a good weapon for Aloy in general!
favge
And kujo sara
@@abortedButGoated Aloy has very little ER requirements and generate a good amount of particles so best With a dmg weapon
Aquilla favonia, a weapon which is useless on all characters except one, a character who also has multiple f2p options which are all really good(sapwood,fav,ally flash), gets placed in the highest tier possible meanwhile something like jade spear which is one of the best options for most polearm units and is the best in slot for xiao gets placed a 2 tiers below it on the same tier as amos bow.
This guys is burning the kitchen day by day lol. Geez, what happened to him after 4.0 ? Dudes spitting L takes every single patch lol.
not everyone is Bennett. all the characters that might like, jade spear, most likely wants Bennett. Xiao, XL, Raiden. That's the point.
The f2p options you pointed out don't have the highest base atk possible to get the most out of the Bennett buff. Not every team needs Bennett, but characters that benefit from attack buffs will likely have Bennett in their teams. I don't agree with the tierlist fully, but he brought up valid reasons for why he organized his that way. Your post seems to imply that you skipped over the explanation and stared at the list.
@@LovinTheSickBeat The point is that that increase isnt worth pulls or money. The 100 atk you gain from the higher base you also lose on the ER side as you dont have a substat which means you will be stuck on bennet more often to funnel energy.
@@neuvil and most of the characters u mentioned see a bigger/similar increase if u give them jade spear instead of giving bennet aquilla. U only get about 200 more atk from bennet buff with aquila instead of sapwood. In exchange u lose the ER from sapwood and the EM(even if u dont pick up the flower its still not worth it to go aquilla). Seeing how in most furina teams, bennet is built with as much healing as possible, that lost ER is even harder to replace.
Also even for the character u mentioned, ur not gonna run them with bennet all the time. Xiao teams going foward wont use bennet cuz xianyun exists and Raidens double hydro teams dont use bennet. Also, there are more polearm dps units than what u mentioned there. Cyno teams dont use bennet at all and hutao teams can use bennet but xianyun and jean versions of the team are very close interms of dps.
@@LovinTheSickBeat sure but still, sapwood and fav exists and they are better in some scenarios than aquilla. Also he himself admitted that skyward can also be better than aquilla. But the thing with skyward is that there are more units that can use that and not just bennet. Meanwhile aquilla is specifically only for bennet.
U also have to consider that f2p options for most polearm dps units arent good. Raiden and XL can use the catch but what about the others ? Xiao has none except the blackcliff series which is just cope atp. Hutao has white tassel but its pretty mid in comparison to other weps. Cyni has.... none aside from kitten i think ? A 5* wep on a carry is more often a better dps increase than 200 more atk from a bennet buff.
I agree that xiao is not bennet and bennet is used more in teams but u cant disregard the fact that pjws is one of the best options for any polearm dps and that there are cases where giving the carry a pjws is better than giving aquilla to bennet.
Aquilla fuvonia would be so hype for me, finally id have best in slot for. My qiqi dps!
Also if hunters path became available again 👀
i don't think zajaf noticed that "good on a whatever character" is better than "good on a great/good character". because a great character already caries the weapon to be good, but a whatever character can't carry the weapon as much, so if it's good on them it means it's overall better than whatever weapon being "good" on a great character.
Good on whatever means it's good on the likes of Dori/Xinyan aka not good at all. The only weapon he misjudge is Spine (good for Xiangling/Shenhe) but even that needs some refinements
I need that skyward harp
I don't have the sumeru weapons bc I hate the walking beans. Also don't have any 5* sword. My Bennett is starving.
Most 4* swords and spears are pretty bad for DPS characters like Xiao or Ayaka, compared to other weapons. Any 5* is better than that.
But they will probably cost cash.
They better make that new currency retro active. aint no way that is going to go over well if we are starting from scratch,
pretty reasonable tier list, if theres 1 thing i want to disagreed, it would be wolfgs, id put it on gud on gud character and atlas down to cope
the only time i got 5 stars weapons in the standard banner was a double weapon and both were the claymors which i don't use. lucky/unlucky.
Put Beacon and Hunter’s path in the shop damnit. Also, after getting almost every signature weapon in the game somehow I still don’t have Skyward Atlas.
10:25 when he said "amber" it hit a little too close to home
Why is Zajef's genshin on windowed mode?
We didn't even have rotation with new 4 stars on the Paimon's shop, imagine 5 stars hahahaha
If that is from a Chinese forum then it means abyss is going to be harder.