On your point about USL soccer, the attendance figures show that Northern California is an extremely hot market for soccer. I'm sure the Roots will do very well in Oakland once established in a permanent stadium.
The Coliseum is done. The cost to renovate it makes no sense at this stage of its life. Oakland needs a new park. I feel bad for Oakland’s fans. The city is in shambles and the leadership has been notoriously …hard to deal with even before this latest awful owner.
Providence Park, built as Multnomah Stadium, was supposed to be a full horseshoe. It was built as a football/athletics stadium. It’s not a full horseshoe because the city refused to let the east side be built on its property. That lack of an east side is what made the conversion to baseball possible in 1956. None of the original seating was altered. So look at a current seating chart and imagine yourself trying to watch baseball from section 223 when the diamond was at the other end and your seat faced the far end zone rather than the action. Not that you had to sit there… the Beavers almost never sold out the place and rarely came close. The baseball conversion happened in 1956. The Beavers moved to Spokane after 1972. Portland got expansion in 1978, and left after 1993 for Salt Lake City. After a renovation in 2000 that removed the outfield bleachers, Portland interests bought the Albuquerque Dukes, moved them to Portland, bought a USL franchise to go with it, started the operations in 2001… and by the end of the 2001 seasons, they were trying to sell the teams. The Beavers finally left after 2010. Truth is… Portland should have built a real ballpark back in the 1950s. One was proposed and obviously never happened. AAA ball should never have been played in Multnomah/Civic Stadium/PGE Park. If you renovate Oakland Coliseum and try to keep its shape, it needs to be baseball. A lot of the thrill with American soccer is lost if you’re sitting behind home plate in your configuration. Furthermore, the Oakland Roots supporters have a rather stellar reputation among USL fans and deserve to be close to the pitch.
@@tonydelariva7163 and Lew Wolff. They missed out on several opportunities for a new park because Wolff only wanted to build next to properties he already owned.
You can turn it into a 20-25K modern soccer facility and still give it the coliseum name, then hand it to the Roots It won’t fill that much but it’ll be around MLS capacity in case that 15-20 years down the line, the MLS comes knocking (with how much Portland and SLC is throwing into teams, it’s between them, Sacramento, and their rivals in Las Vegas.)
I am getting around to doing a video on it, but I think MLS doesn't stop expanding and eventually embraces promotion and relegation, given the USL's growth. Especially if they can convince owners to take a lesser share of revenue for a set number of years after entering.
The problem is by the time the Roots and Soul are going to be ready to fill a stadium that size the venue will be old enough to require more renovations/rebuilds.
was actually thinking recently that, Oakland specifically could bring in a Rugby team. Which would also bring in at least 10 more games to the stadium. Seeing how there's no pro rugby team in northern California, try and snatch up that spot before SF or SJ do.
Oh, another point you missed about Portland. The Timbers played in the stadium from 1975-1982 in the NASL (look up Oakland Stompers). But it was a 1997 World Cup Qualifier in the stadium between USA and Costa Rica that sold out in 5 hours and introduced actual atmosphere for USMNT that prompted the city to request a baseball-soccer share that led to the 2001 USL team, and both those factors led to the 2003 WWC games. Also, the Timbers started selling out games in 2007, helping the new owners (spits at ground because the owner has been found to protect abusers) decide to aim for Major League Soccer.
The best solution for the Oakland Coliseum would be a baseball-specific renovation like the Anaheim Angels did for $100 million in 1996-1997 that would demolish Mt Davis
That would have worked back in the 90s, but at this point it would cost more than just building a new park. The place would need to literally be torn down to the foundations in order to make it meet MLB standards. Once Mt Davis was built it was ruined as a baseball venue, and the costs meant the rest of the building fell into disrepair.
@@shaunnichols1743 I have two questions: (1) Why is it possible to remove the CF upper deck in Anaheim tho not Mt Davis at the Coliseum ??? (2) How did Mt Davis effect the ability to maintain Coliseum ??? I don't see how one effects the other.
@@DAILYBLUNTATHON 1: It's entirely possible, but there is a ton of other stuff that needs to be done if you wanted to bring the facility up to modern MLB standards. 2: The cost of building Mt Davis drained the stadium authority's budget to the point where they couldn't do the needed maintenance and renovation year to year. Oakland didn't have extra money to give out in the 90s/00s so the stadium's budget went to paying off those construction loans
Do something like Kezar. Tear it down to one level pole to pole and make it a community/JuCo venue. At that size and use case you won't need a lot of the infrastructure work anymore and the combination of reduced footprint and capacity would free up more than enough lot space to build a soccer stadium with room to expand down the line. Roots/Soul have great local support, but they're both community-focused teams that aren't interested in the big MLS push Sac and Louisville are making. A 7500 capacity with room to add on seems about right for where they are right now.
Would a better example of what to turn the Oakland Mausoleum into be Snapdragon Stadium? Keeping Mount Davis and a smaller parallel seating area on the other sideline gets it to look more like Snapdragon.
Casey Pratt says the city has a tenant for 2025 that he will be unveiling soon and that it can still be shared with A's depending on how that fiasco goes. Will be interesting to follow to see how the future goes, but first thing first, get Fisher to sell his half.
I have a sneaking suspicion that the announcement is Major League Cricket. We know the Cricket World Cup found the Coliseum to be usable for the sport although organizers eventually passed.
I would love for the Roots and Soul to make the Coliseum their permanent home, to preserve the Coliseum and give it a useful life. Unfortunately, the Roots and Soul seem set on treating the Coliseum as a temporary home while they seek to build a soccer-specific stadium for themselves.
I love the Coliseum, however here are the reasons why beyond sentiment it should be replaced. It is literally crumbling away. It isn't ADA friendly by any stretch of the imagination. The BART overpass needs to be replaced to allow electric carts to cross. It is a brutalist barn and well past its time.
Could you imagine if Europe had this mindset and destroyed all those historic buildings as soon as they became slightly out of date? I can and it would be awful. You can modernize what's old but you aren't able to recreate it. I don't understand the American mindset that says we must destroy history the second we feel something becomes obsolete.
@@thetouchback England did just that with many of their classic stadiums in the 90s. The ones that weren't torn down outright were pretty much gutted and rebuilt to meet modern safety standards and economics.
Yeah dismantle Mt. Davis, he ruined the coliseum and then whined about it not being a viable place to play. plus why not renovate and make it a minor league stadium
🤔 look whether u like public funding for stadiums are not. That what it takes to build a new ballpark especially California. Get it done city of Oakland and A's
Huh? Of the last five major stadiums built in California only two (Petco Park and Levi's) took any direct public funding. Oracle Park and Chase Center were both privately funded while SoFi used a combination of private and NFL development money. Petco also got something like $4bn in private development commitments around the ballpark area to cover the city's costs.
This is valuable real estate in one of the most expensive real estate markets. As much as I love the nastalgia someone I am sure has a in idea to make a ton of cash off of building something on that land.
NFL, NBA, MLB are no’s as the MLB has burned that bridge, Warriors have a stranglehold over the region, and NFL’s expanding to Europe before they ever add teams to America. NHL is a probably not as you have to compete with SLC or Houston and Portland. MLS maybe, especially if the Roots get a stadium on the site, and are successful. However, you still have to compete with Las Vegas and Sacramento. NorCal can hold 2 teams in some capacity, but is Oakland even an option?
I hate to say it because I have a ton of memories in the coliseum and would honestly love to see it stand forever, but Oakland is dead and will never return.
If you keep Mt Davis and demolish the original 3rd deck the biggest problem isn't just wind its the sun the glare is crazy bad up there! Something similar to Levi I'm assuming 🤔 bad idea! Blowup Mt Davis and make a huge bar area like The SJ Earthquakes stadium.
the As should have had a new stadium years ago how the brass deceived and bullshited to the fans is a disgrace he has the $ stop blaming the city of Oakland for your fuck-ups
All of your ideas and comparisons are absolutely horrible. Portland converted a AAA stadium to soccer. That was a far smaller stadium to convert. And they did that many years ago when the MLS was still in its infancy. There is ZERO chance that the MLS is going to be interested in putting a team in a 60 year old converted stadium. The Coliseum itself is a totally outdated dump. The phrase "lipstick on a pig" comes to mind. If Oakland wants a rectangle stadium then tear down the existing structure and the arena and build a proper modern stadium and/or arena of appropriate size. PERIOD. Neither of those venues are "classic". They're both just old and decrepit.
The only reason Wrigley Field and Fenway are classics is because they were allowed to stand (and they almost demolished Fenway). The Coliseum is basically Dodger Stadium but without the upkeep and Mount Davis blocking center field. Yet no one wants to say Dodger Stadium is an outdated dump. And MLS wasn't in its infancy in 2010. Not even close. Hell, your argument of "there is ZERO chance that the MLS is going to be interested in putting a team in a 60-year-old converted stadium" is just flat out wrong. We saw it happen in Portland with an 90-ish year old stadium.
Funny thing is that Providence Park is a football/athletics stadium that had a relatively easy baseball conversion that was, in the end, unconverted. The soccer need for Oakland would have the older part of the seating bowl removed.
Not really. Because the Raiders had two different layouts (from home plate to center field and along Mount Davis) the lower bowl would work for soccer in two different layouts.
@@thetouchback the difference is those other stadiums you listed were all well maintained and constantly updated throughout the decades. The Coliseum literally had something like a 20 year span where the stadium authority was too broke to do basic upkeep. They were still paying off the Mt Davis project 25 years after it was completed.
Like your ideas, it needs to preserve somehow that field, which is almost a hallowed spot for a lot of us, A’s, Raiders etc.
On your point about USL soccer, the attendance figures show that Northern California is an extremely hot market for soccer. I'm sure the Roots will do very well in Oakland once established in a permanent stadium.
I love the idea that the Oakland Coliseum be renovated into a soccer specific stadium. That would be absolutely amazing.
A baseball renovation with the Athletics still playing there would be more amazing
Next idea for Fischer: move them to Vancouver. Then, he’ll name the team the Vancouver Eh’s.
VANCOUVER VOYAGERS OR KODIAKS... PACIFIC NORTHWEST BATTLE WITH SEATTLE AND CANADIAN CIVIL WAR WITH TORONTO.
LOL🤣
The Coliseum is done. The cost to renovate it makes no sense at this stage of its life. Oakland needs a new park. I feel bad for Oakland’s fans. The city is in shambles and the leadership has been notoriously …hard to deal with even before this latest awful owner.
The drawback to keeping the Mount Davis side, is that it looks into the Sun.
Maybe preserve a small section of the stands and maintain the field for local schools.
Providence Park, built as Multnomah Stadium, was supposed to be a full horseshoe. It was built as a football/athletics stadium. It’s not a full horseshoe because the city refused to let the east side be built on its property.
That lack of an east side is what made the conversion to baseball possible in 1956. None of the original seating was altered. So look at a current seating chart and imagine yourself trying to watch baseball from section 223 when the diamond was at the other end and your seat faced the far end zone rather than the action. Not that you had to sit there… the Beavers almost never sold out the place and rarely came close.
The baseball conversion happened in 1956. The Beavers moved to Spokane after 1972. Portland got expansion in 1978, and left after 1993 for Salt Lake City. After a renovation in 2000 that removed the outfield bleachers, Portland interests bought the Albuquerque Dukes, moved them to Portland, bought a USL franchise to go with it, started the operations in 2001… and by the end of the 2001 seasons, they were trying to sell the teams. The Beavers finally left after 2010.
Truth is… Portland should have built a real ballpark back in the 1950s. One was proposed and obviously never happened. AAA ball should never have been played in Multnomah/Civic Stadium/PGE Park.
If you renovate Oakland Coliseum and try to keep its shape, it needs to be baseball. A lot of the thrill with American soccer is lost if you’re sitting behind home plate in your configuration. Furthermore, the Oakland Roots supporters have a rather stellar reputation among USL fans and deserve to be close to the pitch.
John fisher the mlb devil
Mt. Davis was the worst thing that happened to the A's
John Fisher was
@@tonydelariva7163 and Lew Wolff. They missed out on several opportunities for a new park because Wolff only wanted to build next to properties he already owned.
You can turn it into a 20-25K modern soccer facility and still give it the coliseum name, then hand it to the Roots
It won’t fill that much but it’ll be around MLS capacity in case that 15-20 years down the line, the MLS comes knocking (with how much Portland and SLC is throwing into teams, it’s between them, Sacramento, and their rivals in Las Vegas.)
I am getting around to doing a video on it, but I think MLS doesn't stop expanding and eventually embraces promotion and relegation, given the USL's growth. Especially if they can convince owners to take a lesser share of revenue for a set number of years after entering.
@@thetouchback I would love this.
The problem is by the time the Roots and Soul are going to be ready to fill a stadium that size the venue will be old enough to require more renovations/rebuilds.
was actually thinking recently that, Oakland specifically could bring in a Rugby team. Which would also bring in at least 10 more games to the stadium. Seeing how there's no pro rugby team in northern California, try and snatch up that spot before SF or SJ do.
I believe SF currently has a couple of rugby teams that play out of Kezar, but they might just be amateur right now
It’s kinda like in Chicago their is already pans that if the white sox move the fire would likely move their
Oh, another point you missed about Portland. The Timbers played in the stadium from 1975-1982 in the NASL (look up Oakland Stompers). But it was a 1997 World Cup Qualifier in the stadium between USA and Costa Rica that sold out in 5 hours and introduced actual atmosphere for USMNT that prompted the city to request a baseball-soccer share that led to the 2001 USL team, and both those factors led to the 2003 WWC games.
Also, the Timbers started selling out games in 2007, helping the new owners (spits at ground because the owner has been found to protect abusers) decide to aim for Major League Soccer.
The best solution for the Oakland Coliseum would be a baseball-specific renovation like the Anaheim Angels did for $100 million in 1996-1997 that would demolish Mt Davis
That would have worked back in the 90s, but at this point it would cost more than just building a new park. The place would need to literally be torn down to the foundations in order to make it meet MLB standards. Once Mt Davis was built it was ruined as a baseball venue, and the costs meant the rest of the building fell into disrepair.
@@shaunnichols1743 I have two questions: (1) Why is it possible to remove the CF upper deck in Anaheim tho not Mt Davis at the Coliseum ??? (2) How did Mt Davis effect the ability to maintain Coliseum ??? I don't see how one effects the other.
@@DAILYBLUNTATHON 1: It's entirely possible, but there is a ton of other stuff that needs to be done if you wanted to bring the facility up to modern MLB standards.
2: The cost of building Mt Davis drained the stadium authority's budget to the point where they couldn't do the needed maintenance and renovation year to year. Oakland didn't have extra money to give out in the 90s/00s so the stadium's budget went to paying off those construction loans
@@shaunnichols1743 thanks fam
Do something like Kezar. Tear it down to one level pole to pole and make it a community/JuCo venue. At that size and use case you won't need a lot of the infrastructure work anymore and the combination of reduced footprint and capacity would free up more than enough lot space to build a soccer stadium with room to expand down the line. Roots/Soul have great local support, but they're both community-focused teams that aren't interested in the big MLS push Sac and Louisville are making. A 7500 capacity with room to add on seems about right for where they are right now.
As an Oregon sports fan, I would definitely become an MLB fan now that I have a team that represents my state
Would a better example of what to turn the Oakland Mausoleum into be Snapdragon Stadium? Keeping Mount Davis and a smaller parallel seating area on the other sideline gets it to look more like Snapdragon.
Casey Pratt says the city has a tenant for 2025 that he will be unveiling soon and that it can still be shared with A's depending on how that fiasco goes. Will be interesting to follow to see how the future goes, but first thing first, get Fisher to sell his half.
I have a sneaking suspicion that the announcement is Major League Cricket. We know the Cricket World Cup found the Coliseum to be usable for the sport although organizers eventually passed.
@@thetouchback Oh. Any interest, Cheyenne, in attending the Oakland Fans Fest next week?
I wish I could be there but I'm still out of the country.
I would much prefer renovating the Coliseum Arena for NHL- rather than making the Coliseum stadium into an MLS park.
Leave the Oakland Coliseum and Mt Davis exactly as it is as a symbol to all the bullshit that goes on in the world!!!
1000% correct perfect example of the idiots in government running this country.
I would love for the Roots and Soul to make the Coliseum their permanent home, to preserve the Coliseum and give it a useful life. Unfortunately, the Roots and Soul seem set on treating the Coliseum as a temporary home while they seek to build a soccer-specific stadium for themselves.
Scale it down something like providence park. Plus a UFL team might come 🤷🏽♂️
I'd take a straight up trade. They can have the Coliseum, and we'll take Providence Park.
The Portland Athletics would be awesome. And the name barely has to change.
Sounds stupid
I'm guessing you kind of missed the whole point of the video: Portland converted the only viable baseball venue they had into a soccer stadium.
Gonna be at red tail golf course. But I imagine it would take years to convert it
I love the Coliseum, however here are the reasons why beyond sentiment it should be replaced. It is literally crumbling away. It isn't ADA friendly by any stretch of the imagination. The BART overpass needs to be replaced to allow electric carts to cross. It is a brutalist barn and well past its time.
Could you imagine if Europe had this mindset and destroyed all those historic buildings as soon as they became slightly out of date? I can and it would be awful. You can modernize what's old but you aren't able to recreate it. I don't understand the American mindset that says we must destroy history the second we feel something becomes obsolete.
@@thetouchback England did just that with many of their classic stadiums in the 90s. The ones that weren't torn down outright were pretty much gutted and rebuilt to meet modern safety standards and economics.
It's an ugly stadium, and not because of architectural fashion.
Yeah dismantle Mt. Davis, he ruined the coliseum and then whined about it not being a viable place to play. plus why not renovate and make it a minor league stadium
Because Oakland has been overrun by gangs and nobody will go there right now. It's truly scary.
Why the Portland Timbers stadium in the thumbnail?
Great Idea. I agree.
Ever seen Escape from New York?
I have an idea for the Oakland Coliseum... lol.
🤔 look whether u like public funding for stadiums are not. That what it takes to build a new ballpark especially California. Get it done city of Oakland and A's
Huh? Of the last five major stadiums built in California only two (Petco Park and Levi's) took any direct public funding. Oracle Park and Chase Center were both privately funded while SoFi used a combination of private and NFL development money. Petco also got something like $4bn in private development commitments around the ballpark area to cover the city's costs.
@@shaunnichols1743 Petco, Staples Center and Golden 1 center also used public money. Just get it done. We all pay taxes
This is valuable real estate in one of the most expensive real estate markets. As much as I love the nastalgia someone I am sure has a in idea to make a ton of cash off of building something on that land.
It is beyond saving and no Oakland is not getting another team. NFL very slight possibility MLB NO. Oakland Renagades….
NFL, NBA, MLB are no’s as the MLB has burned that bridge, Warriors have a stranglehold over the region, and NFL’s expanding to Europe before they ever add teams to America.
NHL is a probably not as you have to compete with SLC or Houston and Portland. MLS maybe, especially if the Roots get a stadium on the site, and are successful. However, you still have to compete with Las Vegas and Sacramento. NorCal can hold 2 teams in some capacity, but is Oakland even an option?
I flew into Oakland, rented a car, and drove past the Oakland Coliseum. It’s HORRIBLE, and that’s just on the outside. Forget it, play.
Poopland, OR is also horrible.
I hate to say it because I have a ton of memories in the coliseum and would honestly love to see it stand forever, but Oakland is dead and will never return.
take off the 3rd......great idea, big question......on who's dime?
If you keep Mt Davis and demolish the original 3rd deck the biggest problem isn't just wind its the sun the glare is crazy bad up there! Something similar to Levi I'm assuming 🤔 bad idea! Blowup Mt Davis and make a huge bar area like The SJ Earthquakes stadium.
Making Mt Davis the only surviving structure from the stadium would be super depressing and an insult to the fans that lost their teams because of it.
The Portland pickles should move in
the As should have had a new stadium years ago how the brass deceived and bullshited to the fans is a disgrace he has the $ stop blaming the city of Oakland for your fuck-ups
SAVE THE OAKLAND COLISEUM
I’ll buy it
The correct Answer is NO!
Mount Davis demolition
on who's dime?
Can a what??
Not happening buddy
Implosion.
Any soccer team at that location won't need 6000 seats, let alone 60000.
Did you watch the video?
Soccer ⚽️
I don't call it Portland, OR anymore, I now call it Poopland, OR. Because it is now one of the worst cities in America.
Drive two hours inland and I guarantee the places you encounter will have you begging to go back to "Poopland"
The A's should move out of Oakland, but NOT to Poopland, OR. Oakland and Poopland are very bad places these days.
What's there to save? The place is a dump with bad plumbing
All of your ideas and comparisons are absolutely horrible.
Portland converted a AAA stadium to soccer. That was a far smaller stadium to convert. And they did that many years ago when the MLS was still in its infancy. There is ZERO chance that the MLS is going to be interested in putting a team in a 60 year old converted stadium.
The Coliseum itself is a totally outdated dump. The phrase "lipstick on a pig" comes to mind.
If Oakland wants a rectangle stadium then tear down the existing structure and the arena and build a proper modern stadium and/or arena of appropriate size. PERIOD. Neither of those venues are "classic". They're both just old and decrepit.
The only reason Wrigley Field and Fenway are classics is because they were allowed to stand (and they almost demolished Fenway). The Coliseum is basically Dodger Stadium but without the upkeep and Mount Davis blocking center field. Yet no one wants to say Dodger Stadium is an outdated dump.
And MLS wasn't in its infancy in 2010. Not even close. Hell, your argument of "there is ZERO chance that the MLS is going to be interested in putting a team in a 60-year-old converted stadium" is just flat out wrong. We saw it happen in Portland with an 90-ish year old stadium.
Funny thing is that Providence Park is a football/athletics stadium that had a relatively easy baseball conversion that was, in the end, unconverted.
The soccer need for Oakland would have the older part of the seating bowl removed.
Not really. Because the Raiders had two different layouts (from home plate to center field and along Mount Davis) the lower bowl would work for soccer in two different layouts.
@@thetouchback the difference is those other stadiums you listed were all well maintained and constantly updated throughout the decades. The Coliseum literally had something like a 20 year span where the stadium authority was too broke to do basic upkeep. They were still paying off the Mt Davis project 25 years after it was completed.
It will be a Roman gladiator arena or a crack party location
gangsta soccer, not going to work
Im from oakland trust me bro it needs to go!
a homeless camp