They are running out of options. Rumor has ACC is about to lose Miami, NC, Clemson, Florida St. if true they will be back filling with AAC teams. The best thing they can do is strike Antony deal to convince Stanford and Cal to come back.
Also I have been told that North Texas and UTSA next tier of schools PAC 12 is interested in. They can help with travel costs for Texas State. They are more easier to get than Memphis and Tulane because they are lower in their deal with AAC.
Getting Texas State now would make me feel so much better about this whole thing. I’ve kinda been on edge this whole time since the PAC is below the minimum and from the outside it looks like the MW is actually doing something and the PAC isn’t
Yes the dragging of feet is definitely frustrating and Texas State would bring some peace of mind even if it would be very disappointing at the same time
Texas State or some program similar will always be available. It's the very bottom of the barrel. Pac12 will let the legal process play out first in order to pursue UNLV and Memphis.
Outside of Texas State, the Pac and the MWC are not pursuing the same Schools. TSU told the MW no. GCU and UTEP wanted into the Pac. The Pac said no. They are now in the MW. The Pac will get to nine. And it will be a higher quality of BB and FB than the MW.
@@elvangulley3210I heard at the time that because the Nevada schools have a board of regents, it makes the process more complicated. It was a pac12 sneak attack(just like usc and UCLA to the big ten). The current five who have departed were able to leave without MW having time to react and put pressure on the programs to stay. And I'm sure the Pac12 was thinking at the time that taking those 5 programs would cripple the MW and they'll eventually get the other programs too. Still could prove to be true.
As a Texas State Grad, I feel Texas State would be an excellent addition. We are making big improvements to UFCU Stadium. We have back to back Bowl wins over Rice and North Texas. Our Athletic budget is $40 million and our Administration just doubled our Head Coach's salary to $2 million. Texas State has 40,000 students and 3 campuses. We are seeking Carnegie Research 1 status in 2027.
Interesting points. I’m mostly worried about winning potential and national brand though. Would still be considered a major step down and there are better options out there that make more sense from a national brand or competitive stand point. However in desperation mode Texas State is certainly at the top of the list
Consider the two bowl sellouts and the media focus with watching of our two bowl games over 1 million and our home game 3 point loss to Arizona State this year garnered over 1 million views.
@@BroncoBleymaier Btw, When Texas State moved up in 2012 , the AD flew to Boise State prior to the move up to study Boise State's success. Our football program does have a tie. We had interviewed Dan Hawkins for our Head Coach.
Quick correction I wanted to make. I said that UC Davis was a potential desperation option for the PAC12, I meant to say Sac State. UC has obviously agreed to join the MW already.
It's a disaster already. The pac's ego caused all this chaos. Both conferences look weaker when they should have merged and we could have had a strong west coast fbs conference
I didn’t mention Gonzaga as a member of the PAC12 only because I was referencing full members only that count towards total conference minimum of 8, I just didn’t specify that in the video so wanted to clear up any confusion there.
Where is it written that a conference must consist of a minimum of 8 schools? In the Pac-12 there were some sports where only a half dozen of the schools even fielded teams.
The PAC 12 needs to realize that currently it is a Mid G6 regional conference that does not have the ability to get TV contracts to justify AAC teams joining. Furthermore, if the ACC implodes, calford will stay in the ACC and poach G6 teams to maintain their far superior TV contracts.
@@SurfCityBill The ACC will have the contract. The conference will pull the best brands available in the largest TV markets. Teams like UCONN, USF, Memphis and Tulane. Believe it or not, for some reason West Virginia’s fan base has a real desire to be in the ACC.
@@robertstwocents Uconn, or at least the Uconn that actually matters is tied to the Big East, so what the ACC says doesnt really matter as it concerns them and Uconn has never been really relevant in football since they stole a Fiesta Bowl from Boise State. West Virginia has the same disease as the delusional Memphis fanbase, where they imagine theres a scenario that the ACC collapses, but magically the best basketball brands dont leave the conference out of regional solidarity. Its utter nonsense.
ESPN just extended the contract for the ACC and it sounds like they are working towards a settlement with the individual schools. So it's not very likely that the ACC is going to explode this decade.
I would not consider what happened to Oregon State that led to a 5-7 season as a typical situation. The coach and some staff left, the roster was gutted and then 17 of the top 22 returning defensive players wound up injured. So is that really Oregon State or is it the Oregon State that won 18 games in its last two seasons in the old Pac-12? I'm gonna guess that it will be closer to the latter moving forward. We'll see.
A. They will never be able to replace the talent they lost at the same level. B. The supposed strength of P4 teams is not their starters but their depth, OSU showed they have completely lost their competitive depth. They will have better seasons certainly than what they just had and they may even have some strong ones but they won’t be a dominating presence in the conference on the same level as Boise State. They will be closer to Fresno and SDSU.
@@BroncoBleymaierA. I don't think that's true short term. They are still in about the same range in recruiting rankings as they have been. They build on a base of 3-star recruits and fill in around. They brought Malik Murphy at QB for a reported $1.5 million, so I'm thinking they have no intention of taking a step back anytime soon.
@KevinHampton-w3s they will still be able to land a few top prospects but the depth will deplete significantly as they grow further away from the P4 tree to the G5 level.
Original PAC announcement reminds me of a Wall St IPO. Huge interest on the day the stock releases followed by the realities of the actual company culminating in a loss of interest and perceived value. The Memphis/Tulane debacle makes it clear the new PAC is a modestly improved MW 2.0, although a clear improvement in basketball.
Its concerning, but regardless Boise is likely still in a decent position. Even if the PAC turns into a complete disaster, Boise has their OOC to carry - it just puts more emphasis on OOC. Worst case scenario they are the West Coast Liberty, but if they beat ND, Oregon, Louisville, Wisconsin, UH and UC they have P4 wins for comparable coverage and potentially top 15 to Top 10 wins that could put them over the B12 and ACC Champions. This is what the B12 never understood for reason. Football tries to give the appearance that the p4 is based on competition, but its not. So if BSU wins these games, the B12 outside of maybe 1-2 teams has NOTHING by comparison in OOC. If by some miracle Boise is better next year they beat ND, the B12 basically has to pray trash heap Oklahoma State is competent enough to beat Oregon on the road (aint gonna happen) or theyre compeltely screwed. A 2 loss BSU team would be over their champ with a OOC win like that.
UNLV and New Mexico would be solid additions if they did not cost a lot. Texas State seems to be a sort of fall-back option. There's also the ACC domino effect. If that conference gets poached, maybe Stanford and Cal start to look at a landing place closer to home.
Depends on how bad the ACC gets hit. If they lose their P4 status maybe but I doubt they will lose out that bad. Definitely agree Texas State is a desperation pick only
@@artguru10 Yes, but those are not necessarily teams that Calford signed up to join. And my guess is that the ACC media deal will bring signficantly less money, so travel expenses will be an even bigger drain.
UNLV yes but the price tag is a little high and their Athletic department is broke. No to New Mexico they bring nothing in terms of football and let's be honest outside of the last two years and a few years between 2009 and 2013 basketball has been mostly mediocre. They bring a vocal front running fan base that thinks they've been good since the inception of college hoops. They can stay in the conference with GCU their fan bases are mirror images.
@@BroncoBleymaier Agreed, but it will get the PAC into Texas, and it is better than an FCS school. Until the lawsuit are completed or settled it may be the best option. To get AAC teams the media deal will have to be substantially better than what the AAC has, or will have. So I believe if the AAC team(s) are in play it won't be until the 2027 season, in order to drop the exit fees.
@@johnv1927 I don;'t think anymore MWC teams will be added unless it looks likely the MWC will lose some/all of the lawsuits, to free up some cash flow.
@@jeh58yes, and the pac12 is confident, according to canzano at least, that the poaching fee will be removed or greatly reduced and MW exit fees will be reduced. Some time in the next couple months. If that happens, teams like UNLV and Memphis will be back in the picture. If not, pac12 will take anyone for that 8th member
OSU got ripped on departure & coaches, as well as injuries on the o-line & especially d-line. By the end of the year they a back up TE starting a D-line, & O-lineman in the rotations at DT. They will be much better this next year. WSU coach seems to have checked out already the last 3-4 games, planning his departure to Wake Forest. This next year it will be a brand new coaching staff with 35 departures through the portal. So it will be a rough year for them, like the Beavs had last year. Don't forget BSU had issues in 2022 and for part of 2023. Coaching matters, as does coaching & player stability. I'm not saying that BSU will not be at the top in 2026, but I am certain the Beavs and Cougs will be right there with them. When such a large departure of coaches & players happen, like OSU & WSU, it take a year or two to get back up there. OSU had QB issues last year but were able to get the #4 QB in the portal (Maalik Murphy), and he has two years to play. It will be fun, but it won't be a cake walk for anyone.
@@BroncoBleymaier My point is you can understand differing reason a teams performance can be impacted by coaching issues, and unusual amount of player departures.
I agree completely. This last year was more likely to be a low point than a peak point of the schools performance. One must look at the alumni base and the infrastructure a school has already built to attract athletes and then tell me which schools have facilities and financial backing on a par with OSU and WSU.
@@ryanpiatt-x6yI'm hoping wsu's new coach is a genius. wsu lost two probable NFL QBs (ward and meteer) in consecutive years. The two probably would have both finished this year on wsu's roster if not for the transfer portal. Realignment, transfer portal, and NIL have crippled wsu football. They would have had some very competitive teams last couple years
If the new conference is just Mountain West teams that moved, they should have just voted to change the name. How much extra value can there be if it's just the same teams?
I dont care about recruiting pipelines. So don't care about Texas State or North Texas or UTSA. And I'm not sure going football first next is best as there's only 1 school which I think we can get that can help and that's UNLV. But with only UNLV, I dont feel we can get any other schools which will move the dial. But I do feel there's a way we can get that through a third path. Basketball Bring in UNR, bring in UNM, and to keep everyone happy, throw in UNLV too. 2 current strong schools and an historic power. That then makes the conference very appealing for say Memphis. That's where we strike Memphis, and with them, you bring in a travel partner. UTSA? Tulane? I leave that up to you. Then when you let the ACC implode (I doubt they take UTSA/Tulane, memphis maybe.) You then aim for Cal/Stanford Washington State/Oregon State/California/Stanford/San Diego State/Fresno State/Boise State/Colorado State/Utah State/Nevada/New Mexico/UNLV/Memphis/Tulane I love the look of that conference. Cal and Stanford are the long shots. But how are they going at retaining players in olympic sports since going ACC? That's where I feel Stanford/Cal will be hit and might come back.
For the immediate future I would grab UNLV and St Mary's to have a stronger 8-team football conference and a very competitive 10-team basketball conference. That would give the conference a nice balance and a reasonably regional footprint to build from.
Texas State &/or New Mexico State are the move(s). That's the direction everything is headed atm. Just gotta wait out the litigation and see if they'll be able to add more members or not. The Pac has apparently stated somewhere that they wont add FCS schools. So that's something to keep in mind as well.
@BoiseNative-gb2ps if the litigation takes too long, the PAC might have to take New Mexico State just to stay a conference. New Mexico is in the same boat as UNLV and the rest of the MW. So until the courts are done with whatever ruling they come to, it looks impossible to take anymore MW teams. Unless the MW teams never signed the GOR. Then everything seems to be fair game. We'll have to wait and see. But yes, if the PAC has a choice there's no doubt they'd take New Mexico over New Mexico State.
@@luckuania8723one of the most important factors in school selection is media market. If not the most important. This is why Tulane, Sacramento State, Texas state and Memphis would be pursued before a school in las Cruces or Albuquerque.
IMO: 1 - AD Dickey making a statement/comment as he did on social media, leads me to believe something positive is in the works that will favor the PAC. 2 - I know a lot things have to fall in place for Memphis and Tulane to join the PAC (maybe even UTSA), but I still believe there is significant mutual interest from both PAC and top AAC schools to join forces in the PAC. It’s all about reaching the financial agreement. 3 - Commissioner Navarez has displayed respectable leadership but I believe that official recent MW statement about being “committed together” reeks of instability between the MW and UNLV, possibly Air Force. I know a lot of UNLV fans online are saying UNLV will get a BIG10 or BIG12 invite but that’s them over valuing themselves. UNLV doesn’t have the financial resources nor the established athletic history in football to make them a top priority for any P4 conference. UNLV will absolutely regret staying in the MW should they do so. As of 2026, the remaining conference members do not have the committed financial resources to elevate the MW past the PAC. UNLV remaining in the MW will further set back UNLV athletics and financial gains, especially football.
Fair thoughts but I think we shouldn’t read too much into these things, especially Dickey’s statements. He would be likely to say something positive and encouraging either way
@ totally agree about AD Dickey, but I really believe out of all the ADs in the new PAC, he’s the most publicly outspoken and determined to see the new PAC thrive, and possibly the most influential. This is coming from a SDSU fan. I still believe the new PACs leadership is making the top AAC schools a top priority and those top AAC schools know they would absolutely gain in both football and basketball by joining the new PAC. Memphis is not happy in the current AAC, it’s all about both sides overcoming financial buyouts and coming to a mutual new media contract. Will it be easy?No, but it can be done. Both sides have so much to gain by joining forces. SDSU 💪
I agree with what you’re saying but I regarding the media deal value from the football side. But from a basketball perspective, especially if they add both UNLV and Memphis to this existing group it is a very strong conference. I don’t think $12 million is off the table and likely that’s the bar the new Pac needs to reach in order to get schools like Memphis and Tulane. Canzano has reported time and time again that the Pac hasn’t made any more moves bf they’ve been shopping hypothetical media rights deals that they can present to AAC schools. I.e. they can present to Tulane and Memphis “we can get $12-$15 mill if you joint the conference”. I also hope they consider St Mary’s as a basketball only member
Maybe, but will be harder to convince and will all be hypothetical unless they have a buyer who will lock in contractually to expanding to 12-15 million with the addition of Memphis and Tulane and that seems unlikely. It would all just be unsubstantiated promises and on that ground with the negative momentum it seems unlikely those schools would make the jump
It won't be long before Football will be separated from the other sports when it comes to conference configurations. There's no way all the other sports can justify so much travel as is being required of a nationwide conference affiliation. The monster conferences are going have no choice but to regionalize again eventually. Keep in mind that the number of teams needed to make a conference is not set in stone and negotiation with the NCAA must be on the table as well.
my favorite pac cope is when they claim the reason for the delays in media deals and even full membership for football is they're overwhelmed with so many good offers they need time to process them all😆
Sure beats the delusional MWC folks who think UTEP and NIU are 1:1 replacements for BSU, Fresno, SDSU, etc and that the MWC is going to double it's current media deal with the defections.
As of right now, no tv deal, no 8th football team, owe money to MWC. They have nothing to offer that's better than what teams are getting in their present conferences.
@BroncoBleymaier what do you mean? PAC-12 doesn't have a TV deal after this year and if they don't have an 8th team with football the pac-12 is no more. AAC teams are going to wait till the ACC issue is done so that they are in line to go to the ACC, so why get into the mess that pac-12 is in. MWC has until 2028 to drag its feet in court. PAC-12 doesn't have the luxury to do that. Based on what Oregon st. And Washington st did by freezing out the leaving members, MWC followed their lead and have the advantage in court. In the end the best thing to do is do the merger and combine to be the best G5 conference. The lower and upper tier slider would be best. Have the pac-12 as the conference and Mountain as the lower tier and West as the higher tier. Then the best half fight to be in the playoff and the other half use that time to build up their program and the best 2 teams from the mountain move to the west and then the 2 weakest drop to the mountain each season.
The most important reason they left the MW is to get away from the bottom 1/2 that is stuck in mediocrity, other than UNLV (Mullen probably telling the AD it's a big mistake staying in MW), no remaining MW teams can keep up with the challenges on the horizon. New PAC is about being "like minded" and bold about the future, not waiting to see.
If we can get texas st and n Texas I think that will open the media deal for Memphis and tulane and utsa. With all those pieces i think the pac would be a force to reckon with
Question 1) Why didn't the Pac2 and MW didn't simply merge. Put Gloria Nevarev in as commis. If the magic number is 12, dump Hawaii and Wyoming. ) What was the motivation of UNLV to stay in the MW? With the 5 top teams defecting to the PAC, the MW has lost it's prestige.
As a Pac-x fan since the 1960's this seems on its face like a silly question, but at some point that might not look like such a poor compromise. It shouldn't be so hard to imagine that when a school has been eating at the table with the "cool kids" for a century they might be slow be accept that all the other "cool kids" have moved on and they'll need find new tablemates to eat with.
Rumors have been circulating that certain members weren’t too happy about playing 20 conference games in basketball.If you were Washington State and Oregon State do want to take everyone with you.
Both conferences are shooting themself in the foot. Former 12 teams will try to come back home Nothing out there for the majority of the former 12 teams I am losing interest in FBS Garbage. F C S is more exciting. And I went to the Fiesta Bowl Get rid of the California schools. And the Big Sky is great way to cheer football
The PAC made a mistake by not getting a media deal earlier. Perhaps they relied too much on having several teams make bowls. As a result they were forced to take lesser amounts, WSU and OSU dropped the ball and the whole shebang went to crap. Four teams make bowls they get 10-15 million. They have themselves to blame, thank you to BSU for keeping the thing together.
I'm only concerned with the football and basketball history, (other sports to a lesser degree )which are entertaining and fantastic with great players, coaches, and programs. Any dark secrets or known evils outside the sports realm, I don't really care. There are evil and corrupt people in every city, town, community, and university. I don't let unrelated idiots ruin a good thing. pac12 sports are awesome.
@@dereksalas8195 yes, and I'm not denying the fall of old pac12 is tragic, but the conference still lives and the region and fans who grew up watching are still here. I'm optimistic they can grow into an elite conference on the west Coast again. Schools and student athletes competing. Not the greed driven, minor league NFL that power conferences want to create.
The city of Memphis has a crime problem. Same with New Orleans. San Antonio may be getting better. You're not only adding a school. You are adding a location.
UNLV, Texas St, rice, new mexico, Tulane, Memphis and St Mary's should be on pac12 list... Get to 14 in football...and 14 in basketball... More viable and get into Vegas, Memphis, Dallas and New Orleans markets...
Rice is a lot like San Jose State, big market but very little interest. New Mexico is good but not great basketball and one of the worst football programs in the FBS. The rest would be good additions.
UNLV is crazy to stay in this extremely weak MWC. They will never get into the CFP in that conference. If they want to hold on to their basketball history, join Gonzaga, SDSU, and BSU. A conference that has to pay UNLV and Air Force half their money, it is extremely weak.
Pac 12 screwing up. A shocker. They should been aggressive getting programs in. Given sweetheart deals. They could easily gotten everyone on there list and made the argument for P5
The core 7 members of the Mountain West have signed the Grant of Rights. The Mountain West is now off the table for Pac-12 expansion. My suggestion would be that the Pac-12 go after Texas State and Louisiana to get to 9 members. Since the Sun Belt pays so little, it might be easier to get both of them to jump.
@@BroncoBleymaier that's not strong arming...it's asking and giving what you have. She didn't give them mere moments....they laughed and said no right away. There was no TV deal and no money to back up their offer. It's like if you see a brand new BMW 380i and you offer the dealer 20 grand for it. There is no strong arming by you because you have nothing to strong arm the dealer with. They just looked at your offer and said..."go home, not right now. maybe when you get enough money we can talk. That's the way I see it. The PAC had nothing to strong arm the ACC teams with....at all. But the PAC will be back....rest assured. And they hav a better deal this time. Chow bro. 💪🏿
@BroncoBleymaier millions don't go that far these days. It was problaby already spent. Plus....they didn't have any media deal so really...they had nothing to offer at the time. Great show by the way...💪🏿
The PAC12 is not going to happen with the poaching fees and the existing MW schools exiting fees and no tv streaming contract, I'm sorry I just see empty promises from the PAC12.
Bronco i enjoy ur content even though I am rabid UNLV fan. UNLV has a sweetheart deal in the MW. They have the potential of approx. $30 mil in exit fees and poaching penalties coming their way. Yes those fees and penalties are in litigation but if it goes in front of a judge...the MW is in a powerful position. They don't need to negotiate a settlement of those fees and penalties. Also in the deal with the MW if UNLV gets invited to like the BIG 12....UNLV would NOT have to pay any exit fees to the MW. Yes I know, as of right now...UNLV is not attractive because they havent proven to be a top tier program in football. 2 seasons are nice buit we need more than that. But UNLV's goal is to do what is necessary to make itself attractive by 2030. In regards of the pac 12 media deal....which at the moment they have none and not enough members to be considered a FBS conf. Yes I do think the pac will preferr to add Texas St. which they may do for their 8th member. If not Texas St. because I believe they will sit bac k and see who gives the Texas St program the best deal...the pac or the MW. However the estimate of the TV deal of $10-15 mil per school is unrealistic. No way will the pac get that. Your estimate of $8-9 mil per school is a little high. I think at best the pac will maybe get $7-8 mill per yr. Now lets get into your other option. IF the lawsuits between the pac and the MW are dismissed then I believe there is a reall posibility of these schools joining the pac. UNLV, Air Force, New Mexico, Wyoming as full members and GCU and U C Davis as basketball. I think UTEP would be a good addition along with Texas ST. to get the confrence footprint into texas media and recruiting markets. NIU would be a good add for football and the chicago tv and recruiting markets. Hawaii even with the travel cost would give the late night media martket and recruiting market. The result would be a great west coast conference that could bring in a media deal of $10-12 mil per school because of all the different time zone exposure the conf would have. It would be a 15 football members and 17 basketball members ..18 if you add St. Marys for basketball. So both the basketball and football parts of this league would be very strong. lets look at this... FOOTBALL BASKETBALL Wash. ST. Wash. ST. Ore. St. Ore St. Boise St. Boise St. Fresno St. Fresno St. Utah St. Utah St. San Diego St. San Diego St. Colorado St. Colorado St. UNLV UNLV Air Force Air Force New Mexico New Mexico Wyoming Wyoming Hawaii Hawaii UTEP UTEP Texas St. Texas St. NIU GCU Gonzaga U C Davis St. Mary's You could even make 2 divisions in each sport. You may question NIU....but they did beat Notre Dame and are consistantly bowl eligible. And the chicago tv market and time zone offers more viewer-ship and recruits to this proposed conf. If you wanted the football part to be 16 members then I guess you could add Nevada as a full member unless you have another football member canidate to add...maybe a NDSU or Tarleton St. for another texas school. what do you think.
Hm, not a fan of adding teams just because they are in Texas. UTEP is barely in Texas and doesn’t draw Texas recruiting like UTSA or NT would. I’m also not a fan of Wyoming or Hawaii joining. I don’t thing those teams add anything in terms of viewership, recruiting, or marketing. NIU is a definite no, too much travel and not enough production. I think the PAC adding UNLV, and then Air Force or New Mexico would be as far as they want to go
@@BroncoBleymaier Wyoming actually has decent TV numbers relative to the MW conference, but not enough to offset everything else. Hawaii still can't get it's act together to actually start building a decent stadium and hasn't had a consistently decent football program in more than a decade and their hoops sure aren't anything to write home about. I can see UNLV and possibly Air Force, but the rest I think are exactly what the PAC doesn't want (ie no real investment in football both on and off the field).
My thinking is the Pac will hold st eight for 2026 and wait on UNT or UTSA for 2027 when their exit fees come down. Currently, the new AAC Schools are only getting a half share of the AAC media pie with $500k escalators every year. If they come to the Pac for a full share, they make their money back with some to spare. Media views and home game revenue should increase with a higher level of competition. Local media rights and corp sponsorship will increase. More post season revenue than you get with the AAC.
Agreed, I am also curious about the look in clause for the AAC in 2026. They might end up with some bad news from ESPN given the defections of UCF, Cincy, Houston and SMU.
There is no other team I hate more than Nevada. I make an effort to say Boise correctly because I love my team but it is a literally extreme physical struggle to pronounce Nevada without the emphasis on the A due to my slight British accent and I’m not putting that much effort in for a team I hate 😂
@@BroncoBleymaier I'd rather have Texas State (in addition to UNLV) than New Mexico. New Mexico has nothing in football but a legacy in losing badly and make no mistake this realignment is about football competitiveness. Texas State is far from perfect but they have won and they seem to have a commitment to investment in facilities and in football that New Mexico doesn't have.
@@princeseabronco5328 Completely agreed. New Mexico has had about 60 years to get it's act together and invest in football and never has. Texas State on the other hand is fledgling FBS program that is starting to invest and has far more growth potential. Schools like New Mexico are a big part of why BSU and the others are leaving.
@@BroncoBleymaier to be fair I don’t consider Texas State to be a desperate move for the PAC 12. For me desperate move would be having to get New Mexico State.
Another question is does New Mexico State want to get out of Conference USA. The reason why they join Conference USA is because they don’t have to play as an independent for football. Look at the current state of Conference USA. You have to consider that conference to be the worst conference in FBS.
Who will the PAC12 add to get to 8 teams? Will they go beyond 8?
They are running out of options. Rumor has ACC is about to lose Miami, NC, Clemson, Florida St. if true they will be back filling with AAC teams. The best thing they can do is strike Antony deal to convince Stanford and Cal to come back.
Really doubt they can pull Stanford and Cal with the current state of the conference unless the AAC completely implodes
@@BroncoBleymaier I have been hearing about Texas State and PAC 12 been negotiating.
Also I have been told that North Texas and UTSA next tier of schools PAC 12 is interested in. They can help with travel costs for Texas State. They are more easier to get than Memphis and Tulane because they are lower in their deal with AAC.
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Getting Texas State now would make me feel so much better about this whole thing. I’ve kinda been on edge this whole time since the PAC is below the minimum and from the outside it looks like the MW is actually doing something and the PAC isn’t
Yes the dragging of feet is definitely frustrating and Texas State would bring some peace of mind even if it would be very disappointing at the same time
Texas State or some program similar will always be available. It's the very bottom of the barrel. Pac12 will let the legal process play out first in order to pursue UNLV and Memphis.
Outside of Texas State, the Pac and the MWC are not pursuing the same Schools. TSU told the MW no. GCU and UTEP wanted into the Pac. The Pac said no. They are now in the MW.
The Pac will get to nine. And it will be a higher quality of BB and FB than the MW.
@@johnv1927 unlv and nevada should have been invited in the first round not inviting them made no sense
@@elvangulley3210I heard at the time that because the Nevada schools have a board of regents, it makes the process more complicated. It was a pac12 sneak attack(just like usc and UCLA to the big ten). The current five who have departed were able to leave without MW having time to react and put pressure on the programs to stay. And I'm sure the Pac12 was thinking at the time that taking those 5 programs would cripple the MW and they'll eventually get the other programs too. Still could prove to be true.
As a Texas State Grad, I feel Texas State would be an excellent addition. We are making big improvements to UFCU Stadium. We have back to back Bowl wins over Rice and North Texas. Our Athletic budget is $40 million and our Administration just doubled our Head Coach's salary to $2 million. Texas State has 40,000 students and 3 campuses. We are seeking Carnegie Research 1 status in 2027.
Interesting points. I’m mostly worried about winning potential and national brand though. Would still be considered a major step down and there are better options out there that make more sense from a national brand or competitive stand point. However in desperation mode Texas State is certainly at the top of the list
Consider the two bowl sellouts and the media focus with watching of our two bowl games over 1 million and our home game 3 point loss to Arizona State this year garnered over 1 million views.
@@BroncoBleymaier Btw, When Texas State moved up in 2012 , the AD flew to Boise State prior to the move up to study Boise State's success. Our football program does have a tie. We had interviewed Dan Hawkins for our Head Coach.
Interesting connection I did not know
Texas state graduate...what dollar store or Buckies gas station do you manage?
Quick correction I wanted to make. I said that UC Davis was a potential desperation option for the PAC12, I meant to say Sac State. UC has obviously agreed to join the MW already.
If i see Sacramento State ima Puke!!! 😢
We are very close to seeing an absolute Disaster.
Technically an option, but I don't think pac12 would ever pull the trigger
It's a disaster already. The pac's ego caused all this chaos. Both conferences look weaker when they should have merged and we could have had a strong west coast fbs conference
Very true
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I didn’t mention Gonzaga as a member of the PAC12 only because I was referencing full members only that count towards total conference minimum of 8, I just didn’t specify that in the video so wanted to clear up any confusion there.
Where is it written that a conference must consist of a minimum of 8 schools? In the Pac-12 there were some sports where only a half dozen of the schools even fielded teams.
@@tilu3303 in order to be considered to be a FBS conference least 8 schools for football. For basketball you must have either 6 or 7 schools.
@@tilu3303in order to be recognized as a conference in football, you must have eight football members
Actually they need 1 more FOOTBALL school to be a full conference. That is the requirement for FBS not the other sports.
@c.montgomery6442 right…
The PAC 12 needs to realize that currently it is a Mid G6 regional conference that does not have the ability to get TV contracts to justify AAC teams joining. Furthermore, if the ACC implodes, calford will stay in the ACC and poach G6 teams to maintain their far superior TV contracts.
Calford gets no TV money
True on the balance of power point
@@SurfCityBill The ACC will have the contract. The conference will pull the best brands available in the largest TV markets. Teams like UCONN, USF, Memphis and Tulane. Believe it or not, for some reason West Virginia’s fan base has a real desire to be in the ACC.
@@robertstwocents Uconn, or at least the Uconn that actually matters is tied to the Big East, so what the ACC says doesnt really matter as it concerns them and Uconn has never been really relevant in football since they stole a Fiesta Bowl from Boise State.
West Virginia has the same disease as the delusional Memphis fanbase, where they imagine theres a scenario that the ACC collapses, but magically the best basketball brands dont leave the conference out of regional solidarity. Its utter nonsense.
ESPN just extended the contract for the ACC and it sounds like they are working towards a settlement with the individual schools. So it's not very likely that the ACC is going to explode this decade.
I would not consider what happened to Oregon State that led to a 5-7 season as a typical situation. The coach and some staff left, the roster was gutted and then 17 of the top 22 returning defensive players wound up injured. So is that really Oregon State or is it the Oregon State that won 18 games in its last two seasons in the old Pac-12? I'm gonna guess that it will be closer to the latter moving forward. We'll see.
A. They will never be able to replace the talent they lost at the same level.
B. The supposed strength of P4 teams is not their starters but their depth, OSU showed they have completely lost their competitive depth.
They will have better seasons certainly than what they just had and they may even have some strong ones but they won’t be a dominating presence in the conference on the same level as Boise State. They will be closer to Fresno and SDSU.
@@BroncoBleymaierA. I don't think that's true short term. They are still in about the same range in recruiting rankings as they have been. They build on a base of 3-star recruits and fill in around. They brought Malik Murphy at QB for a reported $1.5 million, so I'm thinking they have no intention of taking a step back anytime soon.
@KevinHampton-w3s they will still be able to land a few top prospects but the depth will deplete significantly as they grow further away from the P4 tree to the G5 level.
@@BroncoBleymaier Probably should figure out a way to get the Pac-12 back as a power conference, lol. Yeah, over time that would most likely happen
@@BroncoBleymaierDidn't Oregon State out perform Boise State in both the portal and recruiting this year?
Original PAC announcement reminds me of a Wall St IPO. Huge interest on the day the stock releases followed by the realities of the actual company culminating in a loss of interest and perceived value. The Memphis/Tulane debacle makes it clear the new PAC is a modestly improved MW 2.0, although a clear improvement in basketball.
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Its concerning, but regardless Boise is likely still in a decent position. Even if the PAC turns into a complete disaster, Boise has their OOC to carry - it just puts more emphasis on OOC. Worst case scenario they are the West Coast Liberty, but if they beat ND, Oregon, Louisville, Wisconsin, UH and UC they have P4 wins for comparable coverage and potentially top 15 to Top 10 wins that could put them over the B12 and ACC Champions.
This is what the B12 never understood for reason. Football tries to give the appearance that the p4 is based on competition, but its not. So if BSU wins these games, the B12 outside of maybe 1-2 teams has NOTHING by comparison in OOC. If by some miracle Boise is better next year they beat ND, the B12 basically has to pray trash heap Oklahoma State is competent enough to beat Oregon on the road (aint gonna happen) or theyre compeltely screwed. A 2 loss BSU team would be over their champ with a OOC win like that.
UNLV and New Mexico would be solid additions if they did not cost a lot. Texas State seems to be a sort of fall-back option. There's also the ACC domino effect. If that conference gets poached, maybe Stanford and Cal start to look at a landing place closer to home.
Depends on how bad the ACC gets hit. If they lose their P4 status maybe but I doubt they will lose out that bad. Definitely agree Texas State is a desperation pick only
They will be hit but ACC already has which teams to expand. I feel Memphis State n others n ESPN has approved so let's see.
@@artguru10 Yes, but those are not necessarily teams that Calford signed up to join. And my guess is that the ACC media deal will bring signficantly less money, so travel expenses will be an even bigger drain.
UNLV yes but the price tag is a little high and their Athletic department is broke. No to New Mexico they bring nothing in terms of football and let's be honest outside of the last two years and a few years between 2009 and 2013 basketball has been mostly mediocre. They bring a vocal front running fan base that thinks they've been good since the inception of college hoops. They can stay in the conference with GCU their fan bases are mirror images.
Fair point
Texas State is the cheapest option, 5 million exit fee.
But not best value for money. Cheap doesn’t always mean best
Texas State, UTSA, and sac state are definitely last resorts. Memphis, Air Force, UNLV, Tulane, and Nevada are the desired adds.
@@BroncoBleymaier Agreed, but it will get the PAC into Texas, and it is better than an FCS school. Until the lawsuit are completed or settled it may be the best option. To get AAC teams the media deal will have to be substantially better than what the AAC has, or will have. So I believe if the AAC team(s) are in play it won't be until the 2027 season, in order to drop the exit fees.
@@johnv1927 I don;'t think anymore MWC teams will be added unless it looks likely the MWC will lose some/all of the lawsuits, to free up some cash flow.
@@jeh58yes, and the pac12 is confident, according to canzano at least, that the poaching fee will be removed or greatly reduced and MW exit fees will be reduced. Some time in the next couple months. If that happens, teams like UNLV and Memphis will be back in the picture. If not, pac12 will take anyone for that 8th member
OSU got ripped on departure & coaches, as well as injuries on the o-line & especially d-line. By the end of the year they a back up TE starting a D-line, & O-lineman in the rotations at DT. They will be much better this next year. WSU coach seems to have checked out already the last 3-4 games, planning his departure to Wake Forest. This next year it will be a brand new coaching staff with 35 departures through the portal. So it will be a rough year for them, like the Beavs had last year. Don't forget BSU had issues in 2022 and for part of 2023. Coaching matters, as does coaching & player stability. I'm not saying that BSU will not be at the top in 2026, but I am certain the Beavs and Cougs will be right there with them. When such a large departure of coaches & players happen, like OSU & WSU, it take a year or two to get back up there. OSU had QB issues last year but were able to get the #4 QB in the portal (Maalik Murphy), and he has two years to play. It will be fun, but it won't be a cake walk for anyone.
BSU’s only problem was a bad coaching hire.
@@BroncoBleymaier My point is you can understand differing reason a teams performance can be impacted by coaching issues, and unusual amount of player departures.
I agree completely. This last year was more likely to be a low point than a peak point of the schools performance. One must look at the alumni base and the infrastructure a school has already built to attract athletes and then tell me which schools have facilities and financial backing on a par with OSU and WSU.
WSU lost too much they’ll be down next year.
@@ryanpiatt-x6yI'm hoping wsu's new coach is a genius. wsu lost two probable NFL QBs (ward and meteer) in consecutive years. The two probably would have both finished this year on wsu's roster if not for the transfer portal. Realignment, transfer portal, and NIL have crippled wsu football. They would have had some very competitive teams last couple years
It's pronounced NEVADA, NOT Nev-AH-da. Please!😊
Sorry, side effect of the partial British accent, you can blame my mum 😁
@BroncoBleymaier oh, that explains it!
It's all good! Thanks from your neighbor to the south!
If the new conference is just Mountain West teams that moved, they should have just voted to change the name. How much extra value can there be if it's just the same teams?
The PAC 12 brand and the PAC media is bigger.
Reverse merger would have been better but too late for that now.
They should have merged. Could have renamed to "Mountain-Pac"
@@abrams43 I don't think there is a PAC-12 brand anymore. Like buying a bankrupt restaurant.
@@brucemurphy6354 Yes, Like Chevrolet, oh wait, maybe people do remember names after bankruptcy.
I dont care about recruiting pipelines. So don't care about Texas State or North Texas or UTSA.
And I'm not sure going football first next is best as there's only 1 school which I think we can get that can help and that's UNLV. But with only UNLV, I dont feel we can get any other schools which will move the dial.
But I do feel there's a way we can get that through a third path.
Basketball
Bring in UNR, bring in UNM, and to keep everyone happy, throw in UNLV too. 2 current strong schools and an historic power. That then makes the conference very appealing for say Memphis. That's where we strike Memphis, and with them, you bring in a travel partner. UTSA? Tulane? I leave that up to you.
Then when you let the ACC implode (I doubt they take UTSA/Tulane, memphis maybe.) You then aim for Cal/Stanford
Washington State/Oregon State/California/Stanford/San Diego State/Fresno State/Boise State/Colorado State/Utah State/Nevada/New Mexico/UNLV/Memphis/Tulane
I love the look of that conference. Cal and Stanford are the long shots. But how are they going at retaining players in olympic sports since going ACC? That's where I feel Stanford/Cal will be hit and might come back.
The basketball lense is a fair point
For the immediate future I would grab UNLV and St Mary's to have a stronger 8-team football conference and a very competitive 10-team basketball conference. That would give the conference a nice balance and a reasonably regional footprint to build from.
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Texas State &/or New Mexico State are the move(s). That's the direction everything is headed atm. Just gotta wait out the litigation and see if they'll be able to add more members or not. The Pac has apparently stated somewhere that they wont add FCS schools. So that's something to keep in mind as well.
New Mexico State is just not going to happen. Would take University of New Mexico long before NMS.
@BoiseNative-gb2ps if the litigation takes too long, the PAC might have to take New Mexico State just to stay a conference. New Mexico is in the same boat as UNLV and the rest of the MW. So until the courts are done with whatever ruling they come to, it looks impossible to take anymore MW teams. Unless the MW teams never signed the GOR. Then everything seems to be fair game. We'll have to wait and see. But yes, if the PAC has a choice there's no doubt they'd take New Mexico over New Mexico State.
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@@luckuania8723one of the most important factors in school selection is media market. If not the most important. This is why Tulane, Sacramento State, Texas state and Memphis would be pursued before a school in las Cruces or Albuquerque.
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1 - AD Dickey making a statement/comment as he did on social media, leads me to believe something positive is in the works that will favor the PAC.
2 - I know a lot things have to fall in place for Memphis and Tulane to join the PAC (maybe even UTSA), but I still believe there is significant mutual interest from both PAC and top AAC schools to join forces in the PAC. It’s all about reaching the financial agreement.
3 - Commissioner Navarez has displayed respectable leadership but I believe that official recent MW statement about being “committed together” reeks of instability between the MW and UNLV, possibly Air Force.
I know a lot of UNLV fans online are saying UNLV will get a BIG10 or BIG12 invite but that’s them over valuing themselves. UNLV doesn’t have the financial resources nor the established athletic history in football to make them a top priority for any P4 conference.
UNLV will absolutely regret staying in the MW should they do so. As of 2026, the remaining conference members do not have the committed financial resources to elevate the MW past the PAC. UNLV remaining in the MW will further set back UNLV athletics and financial gains, especially football.
Fair thoughts but I think we shouldn’t read too much into these things, especially Dickey’s statements. He would be likely to say something positive and encouraging either way
@ totally agree about AD Dickey, but I really believe out of all the ADs in the new PAC, he’s the most publicly outspoken and determined to see the new PAC thrive, and possibly the most influential. This is coming from a SDSU fan. I still believe the new PACs leadership is making the top AAC schools a top priority and those top AAC schools know they would absolutely gain in both football and basketball by joining the new PAC. Memphis is not happy in the current AAC, it’s all about both sides overcoming financial buyouts and coming to a mutual new media contract. Will it be easy?No, but it can be done. Both sides have so much to gain by joining forces.
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@@BroncoBleymaier 😂 me too. 🤞
I agree with what you’re saying but I regarding the media deal value from the football side. But from a basketball perspective, especially if they add both UNLV and Memphis to this existing group it is a very strong conference. I don’t think $12 million is off the table and likely that’s the bar the new Pac needs to reach in order to get schools like Memphis and Tulane. Canzano has reported time and time again that the Pac hasn’t made any more moves bf they’ve been shopping hypothetical media rights deals that they can present to AAC schools. I.e. they can present to Tulane and Memphis “we can get $12-$15 mill if you joint the conference”. I also hope they consider St Mary’s as a basketball only member
Maybe, but will be harder to convince and will all be hypothetical unless they have a buyer who will lock in contractually to expanding to 12-15 million with the addition of Memphis and Tulane and that seems unlikely. It would all just be unsubstantiated promises and on that ground with the negative momentum it seems unlikely those schools would make the jump
It won't be long before Football will be separated from the other sports when it comes to conference configurations. There's no way all the other sports can justify so much travel as is being required of a nationwide conference affiliation. The monster conferences are going have no choice but to regionalize again eventually.
Keep in mind that the number of teams needed to make a conference is not set in stone and negotiation with the NCAA must be on the table as well.
The number is set in stone. 8 is the minimum.
my favorite pac cope is when they claim the reason for the delays in media deals and even full membership for football is they're overwhelmed with so many good offers they need time to process them all😆
Sure beats the delusional MWC folks who think UTEP and NIU are 1:1 replacements for BSU, Fresno, SDSU, etc and that the MWC is going to double it's current media deal with the defections.
Watching 👀 from Caldwell. Good luck to your channel 🫡
Thank you! Excited for a great off season of content!
As of right now, no tv deal, no 8th football team, owe money to MWC. They have nothing to offer that's better than what teams are getting in their present conferences.
That’s not true but it is true that they don’t currently have anything significantly better for the AAC. For the MW the difference is stark
@BroncoBleymaier what do you mean? PAC-12 doesn't have a TV deal after this year and if they don't have an 8th team with football the pac-12 is no more.
AAC teams are going to wait till the ACC issue is done so that they are in line to go to the ACC, so why get into the mess that pac-12 is in. MWC has until 2028 to drag its feet in court. PAC-12 doesn't have the luxury to do that. Based on what Oregon st. And Washington st did by freezing out the leaving members, MWC followed their lead and have the advantage in court.
In the end the best thing to do is do the merger and combine to be the best G5 conference. The lower and upper tier slider would be best. Have the pac-12 as the conference and Mountain as the lower tier and West as the higher tier. Then the best half fight to be in the playoff and the other half use that time to build up their program and the best 2 teams from the mountain move to the west and then the 2 weakest drop to the mountain each season.
PAC12 will have a tv deal soon and getting an 8th team isn’t a problem, it’s just how good that team will be that is in question
@BroncoBleymaier that's why I said as of now. If they get a deal and it is only 8 million, LV or AAC teams aren't going to pac-12.
@CodaJayla yes, if it is only 8 million I agree as I said in my video
The most important reason they left the MW is to get away from the bottom 1/2 that is stuck in mediocrity, other than UNLV (Mullen probably telling the AD it's a big mistake staying in MW), no remaining MW teams can keep up with the challenges on the horizon. New PAC is about being "like minded" and bold about the future, not waiting to see.
Would really suck then if we got saddled with some of those bottom teams we left behind
@@BroncoBleymaier Highly unlikely. I can see UNLV and maybe Air Force, but beyond that I can't see any of the other MW programs coming on board.
If we can get texas st and n Texas I think that will open the media deal for Memphis and tulane and utsa. With all those pieces i think the pac would be a force to reckon with
I really don’t think Texas State will have any impact at all on other team’s decisions to join
@BroncoBleymaier it's travel distance and media market.
One team and one that’s still far away won’t impact that decision and Texas State is outclassed in its own media market by other P4s
@BroncoBleymaier that's why they need north texas as well. They both have good nil money players don't stay because of there conference
@ponyboyc I would be a fan of adding UNT, not Texas State though
Question 1) Why didn't the Pac2 and MW didn't simply merge. Put Gloria Nevarev in as commis. If the magic number is 12, dump Hawaii and Wyoming. ) What was the motivation of UNLV to stay in the MW? With the 5 top teams defecting to the PAC, the MW has lost it's prestige.
As a Pac-x fan since the 1960's this seems on its face like a silly question, but at some point that might not look like such a poor compromise. It shouldn't be so hard to imagine that when a school has been eating at the table with the "cool kids" for a century they might be slow be accept that all the other "cool kids" have moved on and they'll need find new tablemates to eat with.
1. The blind ego and elitism of the PAC12 establishment
2. Incompetence within UNLV’s leadership
The four teams that left for the Pac in September were looking to get away from the other MWC teams.
Rumors have been circulating that certain members weren’t too happy about playing 20 conference games in basketball.If you were Washington State and Oregon State do want to take everyone with you.
Do you want to take Hawaii to the PAC 12 when they can’t even get a new football stadium and playing on a practice field. The time zone difference.
exactly backwards. but as a boise st supporter i see how you would want this to be the case
Did you watch the video?
Both conferences are shooting themself in the foot. Former 12 teams will try to come back home Nothing out there for the majority of the former 12 teams I am losing interest in FBS Garbage. F C S is more exciting. And I went to the Fiesta Bowl Get rid of the California schools. And the Big Sky is great way to cheer football
mountain west is doing just fine
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The PAC made a mistake by not getting a media deal earlier. Perhaps they relied too much on having several teams make bowls. As a result they were forced to take lesser amounts, WSU and OSU dropped the ball and the whole shebang went to crap. Four teams make bowls they get 10-15 million. They have themselves to blame, thank you to BSU for keeping the thing together.
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PAC12 sees itself as an ivory tower. Funny.
Depends who's looking
I guess you're not familiar with the history they come from.
I'm only concerned with the football and basketball history, (other sports to a lesser degree )which are entertaining and fantastic with great players, coaches, and programs. Any dark secrets or known evils outside the sports realm, I don't really care. There are evil and corrupt people in every city, town, community, and university. I don't let unrelated idiots ruin a good thing. pac12 sports are awesome.
It once was, before the champions / AAU member schools all left.
@@dereksalas8195 yes, and I'm not denying the fall of old pac12 is tragic, but the conference still lives and the region and fans who grew up watching are still here. I'm optimistic they can grow into an elite conference on the west Coast again. Schools and student athletes competing. Not the greed driven, minor league NFL that power conferences want to create.
The city of Memphis has a crime problem. Same with New Orleans. San Antonio may be getting better. You're not only adding a school. You are adding a location.
I’m not sure crime rate is a statistic considered in conference expansion
UNLV, Texas St, rice, new mexico, Tulane, Memphis and St Mary's should be on pac12 list... Get to 14 in football...and 14 in basketball... More viable and get into Vegas, Memphis, Dallas and New Orleans markets...
How would you rank those in order of priority?
Rice is a lot like San Jose State, big market but very little interest. New Mexico is good but not great basketball and one of the worst football programs in the FBS. The rest would be good additions.
I think we are getting Texas st st Mary’s imo
UNLV is crazy to stay in this extremely weak MWC. They will never get into the CFP in that conference. If they want to hold on to their basketball history, join Gonzaga, SDSU, and BSU. A conference that has to pay UNLV and Air Force half their money, it is extremely weak.
Agreed. They will face the same issue LU will
Agreed, their marque conference matchups will be Air Force and NIU. Not exactly a good way to build a resume.
So many speculations. The two leagues should just merge. They are given the legal beagles a ton of money.
Too late to merge now
Before the lawsuit is settled the pac 12 owes 55 millon not 105 million.
No it’s much higher than that
Pac 12 screwing up. A shocker. They should been aggressive getting programs in. Given sweetheart deals. They could easily gotten everyone on there list and made the argument for P5
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The big mountain said pac 12 and texas st was in talks
I would take everything on that show with a heavy grain of salt
If there isn't a signed guarantee of rights what the heck was NIU thinking!
MarkPheanis-x1g this reminds me of when TCU tried to join the Big East in 2011 only to join the Big 12.
Fooled by the MW 😬
@@BroncoBleymaier NIU was pretty desperate to get out of the MAC, but if the MW loses UNLV then that would likely kill the deal.
The core 7 members of the Mountain West have signed the Grant of Rights. The Mountain West is now off the table for Pac-12 expansion.
My suggestion would be that the Pac-12 go after Texas State and Louisiana to get to 9 members. Since the Sun Belt pays so little, it might be easier to get both of them to jump.
We don’t know for sure that they have signed that and even if they have it will all depend on the court case outcomes
Lol...I don't think Teresa Gold strong armed the ACC teams at all. She just asked and they said not right now. It doesn't hurt to ask....
😂 she gave them mere moments to decide and offered them practically nothing. Terrible conference leader.
@@BroncoBleymaier that's not strong arming...it's asking and giving what you have. She didn't give them mere moments....they laughed and said no right away. There was no TV deal and no money to back up their offer. It's like if you see a brand new BMW 380i and you offer the dealer 20 grand for it. There is no strong arming by you because you have nothing to strong arm the dealer with. They just looked at your offer and said..."go home, not right now. maybe when you get enough money we can talk. That's the way I see it. The PAC had nothing to strong arm the ACC teams with....at all. But the PAC will be back....rest assured. And they hav a better deal this time.
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@rodneyhawthorne6743 giving what they have? They have millions of dollars from the war chest. They should have opened it up for Memphis and Tulane
@BroncoBleymaier millions don't go that far these days. It was problaby already spent. Plus....they didn't have any media deal so really...they had nothing to offer at the time. Great show by the way...💪🏿
@rodneyhawthorne6743 glad you liked it! Thank you for the support!
UNLV and AirForce
Yeah wouldn’t be bad although how competitive AF will be in the new era of college football is uncertain
New Mexico State + PAC = $PERFECTION$
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There’s no more PAC-12, ‘Conference of Champions’. It’s more like PAC-ST8
Have you looked at the Big10?
PAC-Taint
PAC12 has shown us just how trashy a conference can be.
At the conference leadership level yes
The PAC12 is not going to happen with the poaching fees and the existing MW schools exiting fees and no tv streaming contract, I'm sorry I just see empty promises from the PAC12.
They have the money to pay for the poaching fees if they lose so it will happen either way
MWC is the conference that should worry.
Oregon State recruitment has not dropped off. They should be better next year if they stay healthy.
Way better than boises recruiting this year.
Not sustainable long term
@@BroncoBleymaier based on what?
Logic
@@BroncoBleymaier logic is backed in facts not feelings.
Bronco i enjoy ur content even though I am rabid UNLV fan. UNLV has a sweetheart deal in the MW. They have the potential of approx. $30 mil in exit fees and poaching penalties coming their way. Yes those fees and penalties are in litigation but if it goes in front of a judge...the MW is in a powerful position. They don't need to negotiate a settlement of those fees and penalties. Also in the deal with the MW if UNLV gets invited to like the BIG 12....UNLV would NOT have to pay any exit fees to the MW. Yes I know, as of right now...UNLV is not attractive because they havent proven to be a top tier program in football. 2 seasons are nice buit we need more than that. But UNLV's goal is to do what is necessary to make itself attractive by 2030.
In regards of the pac 12 media deal....which at the moment they have none and not enough members to be considered a FBS conf. Yes I do think the pac will preferr to add Texas St. which they may do for their 8th member. If not Texas St. because I believe they will sit bac k and see who gives the Texas St program the best deal...the pac or the MW. However the estimate of the TV deal of $10-15 mil per school is unrealistic. No way will the pac get that. Your estimate of $8-9 mil per school is a little high. I think at best the pac will maybe get $7-8 mill per yr.
Now lets get into your other option. IF the lawsuits between the pac and the MW are dismissed then I believe there is a reall posibility of these schools joining the pac. UNLV, Air Force, New Mexico, Wyoming as full members and GCU and U C Davis as basketball. I think UTEP would be a good addition along with Texas ST. to get the confrence footprint into texas media and recruiting markets. NIU would be a good add for football and the chicago tv and recruiting markets. Hawaii even with the travel cost would give the late night media martket and recruiting market. The result would be a great west coast conference that could bring in a media deal of $10-12 mil per school because of all the different time zone exposure the conf would have. It would be a 15 football members and 17 basketball members ..18 if you add St. Marys for basketball. So both the basketball and football parts of this league would be very strong. lets look at this...
FOOTBALL BASKETBALL
Wash. ST. Wash. ST.
Ore. St. Ore St.
Boise St. Boise St.
Fresno St. Fresno St.
Utah St. Utah St.
San Diego St. San Diego St.
Colorado St. Colorado St.
UNLV UNLV
Air Force Air Force
New Mexico New Mexico
Wyoming Wyoming
Hawaii Hawaii
UTEP UTEP
Texas St. Texas St.
NIU GCU
Gonzaga
U C Davis
St. Mary's
You could even make 2 divisions in each sport. You may question NIU....but they did beat Notre Dame and are consistantly bowl eligible. And the chicago tv market and time zone offers more viewer-ship and recruits to this proposed conf. If you wanted the football part to be 16 members then I guess you could add Nevada as a full member unless you have another football member canidate to add...maybe a NDSU or Tarleton St. for another texas school.
what do you think.
Hm, not a fan of adding teams just because they are in Texas. UTEP is barely in Texas and doesn’t draw Texas recruiting like UTSA or NT would. I’m also not a fan of Wyoming or Hawaii joining. I don’t thing those teams add anything in terms of viewership, recruiting, or marketing. NIU is a definite no, too much travel and not enough production. I think the PAC adding UNLV, and then Air Force or New Mexico would be as far as they want to go
@@BroncoBleymaier Wyoming actually has decent TV numbers relative to the MW conference, but not enough to offset everything else. Hawaii still can't get it's act together to actually start building a decent stadium and hasn't had a consistently decent football program in more than a decade and their hoops sure aren't anything to write home about. I can see UNLV and possibly Air Force, but the rest I think are exactly what the PAC doesn't want (ie no real investment in football both on and off the field).
My thinking is the Pac will hold st eight for 2026 and wait on UNT or UTSA for 2027 when their exit fees come down.
Currently, the new AAC Schools are only getting a half share of the AAC media pie with $500k escalators every year. If they come to the Pac for a full share, they make their money back with some to spare. Media views and home game revenue should increase with a higher level of competition. Local media rights and corp sponsorship will increase. More post season revenue than you get with the AAC.
Good points, I agree
Agreed, I am also curious about the look in clause for the AAC in 2026. They might end up with some bad news from ESPN given the defections of UCF, Cincy, Houston and SMU.
If the ACC collapses could Stanford and Cal come back?
That would have to lose their P4 designator
What about texas state
Oh sorry didnt watch full video
Fresno st will return..
To the MW? 😂
No Neveda Wolf Pack!!! Their football program is trash!
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Just say no to Reno
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@@phengvue21 Did you go to Boise state? Evidently if you can’t spell.
Agreed. Virtually no program investment either.
Boise needs a in state rival, why not contact idaho?
We turned them into the Lil bro and turned our back on them don't think we will ever play them again and even more so since they dropped to fcs
Nah….. We want teams that will make us stronger, not garbage like Idaho. I’d rather have Wyoming than them
@@BroncoBleymaier there was a reason why Idaho dropped down to FCS
@@BroncoBleymaier Texas state is a lower-end G5 team?
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Ne-vaa-duh not Ne-vah-duh
Always one
@ you’re from Idaho … you’re a westerner … I hold you to a higher standard! How do you pronounce Oregon?
I’m a US military brat, I’m from everywhere and nowhere and my mum is British.
Well then, you are now aware and can be more intentional.
There is no other team I hate more than Nevada. I make an effort to say Boise correctly because I love my team but it is a literally extreme physical struggle to pronounce Nevada without the emphasis on the A due to my slight British accent and I’m not putting that much effort in for a team I hate 😂
NO TO MEW MEXICO!!
Who else instead (in addition to UNLV)?
@@BroncoBleymaier I'd rather have Texas State (in addition to UNLV) than New Mexico. New Mexico has nothing in football but a legacy in losing badly and make no mistake this realignment is about football competitiveness. Texas State is far from perfect but they have won and they seem to have a commitment to investment in facilities and in football that New Mexico doesn't have.
@princeseabronco5328 fair
@@princeseabronco5328 Completely agreed. New Mexico has had about 60 years to get it's act together and invest in football and never has. Texas State on the other hand is fledgling FBS program that is starting to invest and has far more growth potential. Schools like New Mexico are a big part of why BSU and the others are leaving.
UNLV: yes, Nevada: please no
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@@BroncoBleymaier to be fair I don’t consider Texas State to be a desperate move for the PAC 12. For me desperate move would be having to get New Mexico State.
Another question is does New Mexico State want to get out of Conference USA. The reason why they join Conference USA is because they don’t have to play as an independent for football. Look at the current state of Conference USA. You have to consider that conference to be the worst conference in FBS.
@tylernelson3343 yes that would also be desperate
@tylernelson3343 yes and if only the worst conference would want to take them why should the PAC12?