1990 Championship. Senna greets his engineers after crash with Prost in Suzuka
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- Senna going back to his motorhome after the crash with Prost in Suzuka 1990. His reaction is more of seeking for consolation in his team rather than celebrating... as he said himself a year later, the 1990 Championship was a sad one.
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90 foi a consequência de 89 onde a política nojenta e tendenciosa ferraram com ele nunca esqueceremos disto! Samurai Ayrton Senna!
E o dono dessa política noventa tem nome, Jean Marry ballestra, um canalha ladrão que roubou o título de Ayrton Senna em 89.
@no body Que nos anos de 92 e 93 sentiu isso e muito pois não correria em 92 na Williams pelo trato com a Honda e 93 sendo Barrado pela Claúsula Contratual de Prost com a Williams que vetava Senna
Acho que ele colheu os frutos que plantou em 90 anos mais tarde que poderia ser diferente mas a história esta escrita como foi feita mas quem viu os anos 80 e 90 da F-1 jamais vai se esquecer das grandes corridas
It's strange but my respect for both Senna and the Honda mechanics grew after watching this. Neither are happy about how he clinched the title.
Revenge is a dish best served cold...
@@adrianfumi Revenge for what exactly?
@@fistoftulkas7335 for the year before where Balestri took the title away from Senna and gave to prost...
I don’t get how you would respect Senna more after that deliberate crash. He caused the crash and he was satisfied with the result. Only the engineers were unhappy, not Senna.
@@rafabjj
He lost. No comments.
Those Honda mechanics are NOT HAPPY with the way that went down!!!
Prost and Balestre chose for it to go down that way. Senna was heroic here!
@Crixus Mauperthuis I’m getting the feeling you aren’t a fan of Senna. 😂
@@emelle1283 Calm down. Calm down. Prost won fair and square in 89'. In fact he was ruined by the rules in 88', when he scored more points.
The sense oh honnor is very important in Japan. Senna dishonored Honda this day with the crash....
@@silentnight1805 exactly.Prost have 11 more points,but the champions go to Senna.Rules sucks
QUANDO VC LUTA CONTRA O SISTEMA DENTRO DELE NINGUÉM PODE FALAR MAL POIS ELE CONSEGUIU FAZER ISSO INTERNACIONALMENTE AS LUZES DA MÍDIA DE TODO O MUNDO LUTOU CONTRA A FISA DE BALESTRE A FIA CONTRA TUDO E TODOS ELE É O CARA ELE É O BOSS SIMPLESMENTE SENNA
Love to hear whats being said!
I can understand Japanese and let me some translation. It's confirming the incident, and Honda's disappointment. "Mr. Goto, a project leader of Honda F1, still lost the words. And Mr. Kiuchi, Senna engineer,was holding hands with Senna, but his emotions were mixed. He looked like stairing at the empty sky."
When this race aired, Mr. Goto told in interview "It's very dissappointed. We were worked so hard for this race."
I agree with the fact Honda confronted Prost's untrue complain about them as the global motor company, but they should take same approach to Senna about this. Both Mclaren and Honda should ban Senna for the next race and gave some serious penalty.
@Crixus Mauperthuis
Everything you wrote had no sources. It's just from your imagination. I preferred Prost as professional driver and as human. But when comes to thdm Honda engine, Senna was a winner in Honda's competitions.
Senna found the importance of honda engine way before he actually drove it. So when he began to working with Honda he didn't waste anybody's time and being humble to learn a lot with the engineers. Honda members said Senna wasn't the only natural racer, he saw the engine telemetly data, and renew his driving approach. That was the things Prost struggled to do and refused to listen from the Honda engineers.
Mr.Kiuchi denied Prost's claim again six years ago, and he still worked in Honda at that time. If the "BOSS" of Honda apologised to Prost, Mr. Kiuchi, the elite of Honda, told incorrect information about his company. It's impossible. For those who have brain it is clear that you recreated the story.
When I wrote something about Honda, I only used the information which has the sources. It was from the interview video or the published books. If you have friends who can understand Japanese, there are so many video on youtube which gives you the correct picture about the Mclaren Honda team. Whatever some say, I won't take seriously these badly biased words which is/was from europe without the certain sources.
As a Japanese, may I interpret these Honda member's face to you? They didn't get it. They looked not angry, but inside of their heart pretty much frustrated and not wanna being touched and looked at by Senna. Mr. Kiuchi didn't refuse Senna's hands because he thought he had to act like that, that's all. McLaren members looked more calm, but no Honda members moved toward to Senna, that's was the answer.
We are educated controlling the emotion, so if you see a normale face in this kind of situation, we can be thinking slightly disappointed or feeling nothing. And if you see a clearly disappointed face like this, they controlled much greater emotion.
Senna misunderstood the situation. Senna thought that once he established the connection with people, they always would be on his side. No. Japan would love a honorable person we could share our values. Suzuka is a home GP for Honda, and Senna totally lost his mind to considered how many people in Honda buildings in Aoyama, factory of Wako disappointed by you. And looked at the audiences. It's so wrong waving your hand to them after that unbelievably stupid move which we couldn't imagine doing. And, how much the team members worked really hard for the race. It's not your engine. He had no right to finish the race at all. The qualifying on Saturday was legendary, so this was just a insane.
and what are your thoughts about the year before, 1989. really curious about, do you think he didn't have the right to revenge ?
No, Formula One is a sport, not a war. If you put yourself in danger to get justice in a sport, where does it stop? And the 1989 decision was right, it's forbidden to be pushed by the track marshals.
Senna was only racing for his ego.
As Prost said: when Senna saw that he had lost the race at the start he took me off the track.
Senna did the same thing in Brazil in 1994 when he intentionally put himself in teavers so as not be seen lose against "the rookie" Schumacher.
Of course this is not a good way to respect the work of all the engineers and motorists who worked hard for you.
wish the brazilians, as myself, could read it and understand it. It took sometime for me, but that's the truth.
@@maxlefou81 Push starts are generally not legal however as Senna's car was still on the track they were allowed to push it out of the way of danger. They didn't DQ him for the push start however, they DQ'd him for rejoining the race through the slip road.
A precedent was set on how a championship could be settled. When Michael Schumacher tried to settle championships in the same fashion, all be it at much lower speed & not risking life or limb, he was vilified for it.
Se o Senna fizesse isso nos dias de hj mesmo ele tendo uma certa razão, certamente seria hostilizado e redicularizado pela mídia !
the opinions in this comment section are quite amazing for me; brazilians welcomed and cheered that revenge act, but, to the japanese it was just wrong to win a title like this. Being brazilian myself...I have to say I lost a lot of respect for senna when he did this... but I understand why he did it. Fighting mentality and limits, between the two cultures, are just so different.
Senna era a "pedra no sapato" da FIA!! Sempre querendo mais segurança, regras mais justas, melhor competitividade! Ele chegou no limite do "foda-se"!! Concordo, não é legal, mas é totalmente compreensível o que ele fez! Prost só levava vantagem no tapetão!
Senna THE Master waited this moment during 12 long months… revange is a meal need to be eated cold...
"Revenge is a dish best served cold" is how the gringos say it. And I fully agree, Prost and Ballestre did everything in their power to make that first corner happen in the way that it did.
Devolucion de gentilezas
Yep.
The video title is wrong : Senna crash with Jean Marie Ballestre..
Ruthless win at all costs mentality
Cowardice cheat at all costs mentality. Senna was a little bitch.
Michael Virone just like prost crashed into senna, then cried to balestre when he came back and won the race in 89. In 1990 when senna asked for the pole position to be changed and was changed, balestre to help prost switches the decision at the last Minuit to give prost the clean side of the circuit to help him win the title. What senna did wasn’t right, but it’s completely understandable why he did it. So I would have to say prost is the bigger coward here, just cried to balestre and things went his way.
@@spieler440 It's such a shame to read such amount of craps in 2020. You should delete your message instead to repeat lies.
Magic Senna
felt bad for the engineers who prepared the respective cars of prost and senna only to be wrecked.. not sure who's to blame but such a shame for the people behind the drivers its never easy to prepare those cars only to be wrecked.. I kinda relate the frustration of Ron Dennis on the interview on the Senna movie
Drivers sometimes make bad mistakes and that results in bad crashes. Prost just didn't see him or didn't pay attention.
"If *I* do not win, then nobody does"
ayrton senna
I always thought how nice Ayrton looked in red and white. I believe they were his lucky colours and the blue and white colours of William's didn't suit him at all. It was like he was a square peg in a round hole at William's and that along with his death also makes me sad 😥. RIP Ayrton ❤🙏
As one of Senna's admirers myself, I still think this act was irresponsible and reckless, whatever his reason was. The fact that no Honda team members came to him and congratulate says it all.
His reason was payback for Suzuka '89
Both him and prost could have died in that crash. I dont think you could call that payback. Thats borderline criminal.
@@NationOfMasturbation Payback for an accident Senna himself caused in 1989? You fanboys of the brasilian are ridiculous.
Theft is criminal and 1989 was nothing short of day light robbery.
@@NationOfMasturbation Still a stupid, unprofessional, selfish excuse.
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The Honda engineers did not want to win like that. They wanted their cars to win the race, but Senna put his interests in front of the teams. To make matters worse, Berger also slid out of the race and two Ford-powered Benettons and a Lola-Lamborghini took the podium in Japan.
1:03 I never knew Gerry Adams had a career in F1😂
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Un finale così è stato uno schiaffo alla sportività. Mi dispiace ma Senna quel giorno fece un grave errore, la vendetta di sto piffero, assurda e premeditata. Un'onta per Ayrton, il quale avrebbe dovuto battere Alain Prost in gara e non alla prima curva rischiando di fare e farsi veramente male. 🏁
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Everyone knew he attacked Prost on purpose and was like "We did all that work for nothing..."
Yeah, I would have felt very funny/odd, if I were one of those guys he'd come back to the pits to pat on the head or cheek.
But I would also have understood that the move/crash was purely political and my job (I guess) ends at preparing the car.
They all may have known his "protest" move before he started the race.
@@oliverburke political?senna made it political to justify his actions.the truth is that he couldnt swallow that prost was just better than him.he knew that he wouldnt have a chance in the race if prost was first in the first lap and no chance for the championship.
@@juventinos81 Sure. Whatever his reason, he was protesting last year’s or this year’s decision and this was a revenge political move.
@@oliverburke what decision?there wasnt any decision.
if prost wasnt in first place and it was lets say berger.he would do the same to berger?
@@juventinos81 My recall is a little fuzzy about this, but from what I remember, Senna decided to hold his line or something and crash into Prost because he thought he was being unfairly assigned a certain side of the track at pole, especially based on the year before at the same track when Prost may have had the advantage. We should find a clip of that and refer to it instead of my weak memory.
Please share input if you remember it better.
Re: Berger, I only know of Senna having the biggest grudge against Prost. Other spats were less famous than this main one.
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Since 01.05.1994 😁
Hmm very strange atmosphere
Obviously. It's difficult to celebrate the win of a cheater.
@@micmv "Cheater" hmmmm, no. He was a racing driver. Not a crying pussy like today, when a wheel touches and Alonso starts screaming like a 10 year old girl. This is the exact reason a lot of people say the 80s were better than today. Because safety was not the highest priority.
@@micmv Senna did not cheat, he did however make a ruthless move. The atmosphere was because it was nothing to be proud of, a whole weekend of work, practice and qualifying to be pissed away in corner 1 of lap 1 of the GP. The move was not only dangerous but selfish on Senna's part, it benefited him and not the team. Furthermore Senna could have beaten Prost without making that move.
Max Mosley revealed in talking with Senna that Senna was actually in tears explaining the situation, that's how angry and emotional he was still over Suzuka '89 and why it drove him to do that. Say what you will, this was life for Senna. The man lived, ate and breathed racing, so for him to be driven to act that way, who are we to judge otherwise.
@@waifuracer6516 Yes.... a cheater
Japanese engeneers refuse to celebrate an unfair victory.
The Honda mechanics I'm not happy about he won the deliberately crashing into prost
Prost turned slightly left to open space for Senna, who then accelerated. Then Prost closed the door back. He was either indecisive or did it intentionally.
No. Prost is moving to the left to get on the right trajectory. A turn is approached from the outside.
@@maxlefou81 So why then Senna thought he could've passed from the inside?
@@tinobaricic Because he did it intentionally.
@@maxlefou81 So let's say if Prost moved out of his way do you think Senna would not be able to pass that turn?
@@tinobaricic Exactly, he was coming way too fast to take the inside turn. And after the crash, his mclaren fired straight ahead,which proves he wasn't turning. Senna admitted it a year later in an interview. You can easily find it on youtube.
"I think if Prost wants to be called the sole champion, three-times world champion, come back in a sportive way, maybe win another championship, he should be sportive. The way he's doing, he's behaving like a coward. And if he wants to be sportive, he must be prepared to race anybody, at any condition, at equal terms."
At a press conference at Estoril 1992.
very very *sportive* 1990 title, ayrton, is not it?
dirtiest hypocrite ever
Senna South American Legend....
Senna, WORLD LEGEND!!
He stole this one yet didn’t need to….but nobody’s perfect
Um erro nao concerta o outro !!
Você tem dúvidas que o Senna ganharia na pista ? O Prost tinha uma escolha ainda, poderia frear e teria toda corrida pra ultrapassar, em 89 o Prost não deu escolha pro Senna, que mesmo assim voltou pra pista e ganhou, foi roubado na cara dura, em 90 Senna colocou o carro onde tinha que colocar, o Prost fez a escolha dele.
Prost and Balestre made this happen. Senna was robbed in 89, and once again robbed with that faulty pole position in Suzuka 90.
Lies.
@@fistoftulkas7335 Lol before calling out "lies" i recommend actually watching some F1 and seeing those seasons again. Need to be informed in order to give your opinion, thanks.
There were rules for the pole position. The pole guy always started on the inside of the 1st corner. It was Senna who wanted to change the rules...
@@Daervar The Pole position is always suppoused to give an advantage, thats why Qualis exists in the first place. In this case the Pole wasnt the most advantageous position, therefore Senna requested a switch which was accepted at first, but was later declined when the race was about to start. Nowadays any race director would comply with the Pole driver request if the position is in fact worse than P2, its just common sense and race directors have that kind of autorithy.
C'est d'ailleurs en regardant cette séquence de joie intense dans le stand Mc Laren après l'obtention du second titre mondial d'Ayrton Senna que Pharell Williams à ecrit sa chanson "Happy"
Winning with no honor.
in '89 it was no one's fault
In 1990 it was both their fault
Yes, of course, Prost turned earlier, but Senna has to be blamed as well
Masturbator.
1990 When Senna deliberately drove into Prost, only Senna to blame for that.
Haha the Japanese look a bit sheepish about it all.
World champions is senna,that is everything.
Dikivigarista!!
The silent clash between the bashful japanese honor and the vulgarity of occidental cheating.
Haven't Sumo wrestlers been caught fixing matches? C'mon.
Interessante a opinião de muitos. Senna revidou o que Prost fez em 89 lhe tirando o título. Foi um covarde, apoiado pelo nojento Balestre, seu protetor. A FIA sempre jogou sujo ,a favor de" seus protegidos" E a imprensa já na época, nada falava contra.Obde rola tanto dinheiro, sempre haverá sujeira. Alguns poucos jornalistas tinham a coragem de falar. Quem crítica Senna, deveria antes criticar Prost, o covarde ,sabotador..Dizer que foi " feio, antiprofissional",.... Senna, estava era mais que decepcionado com a desonestidade que rolava nesse meio. No início, ingênuo, não sabia,. Era muito correto, e achava que todos agiriam assim Com o tempo ,foi vendo a podridão que existia ali. Para quem não entendeu, ele quis expor isso, pouco se importou se fosse banido. O que não aconteceu ,claro.E, porque será? Apesar de não fazer parte dos " queridinhos" da FIA, todos sabiam que era o melhor, tanto que o roubavam e sabotavam.Senna, gostando ou não, era a galinha dos ovos de ouro da F1. Era o piloto mais querido ,amado, por todos que gostam do esporte, além de ser o maior ,até hoje .Uma corrida,na época sem a "estrela" 🌟,Senna, não daria tanto público.
Um dos administradores da FIA admitiu isso, quando do desentendimento de Balestre com Senna , em 89. Senna disse que Balestre o roubou, e este o fez pedir desculpas públicas . O que Senna não fez. Então, Balestre o puniu ,banindo-o das corridas no próximo ano..Administradores da FIA mostraram a Balestre o prejuízo que teriam sem Senna, nas corridas. ...
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