What God of War got WRONG about Thor
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- On this episode of Thor Talk, we delve deep into Norse Mythology to see what God of War (PS4) got wrong about Thor in Norse Mythology - namely that he’s not a blood thirsty monster.
Again, I am aware and perfectly fine with the fact that God of War has taken certain liberties with Norse Mythology. The only purpose of this video was to educate people who thought that Thor in Norse Mythology was a murderous tyrant like in God of War. And obviously there is some doubt as to whether or not the information we were presented with is accurate as Mimir and Laufey are unreliable narrators given their grudges with the Aesir. But the game never puts these accounts into question, leaving the average player to believe them and thus assume that this is how the gods were like in Norse Mythology. Again you may not have believed the depiction of the gods to be fact, but I’ve seen many people, including a few big name reviewers, imply that they believed these accounts to be factual.
Thor Talk bro, it's just a game. You act like there really was a Thor and a Assguard. Dude... it's all made up shit. Hence the name North MYTHOLOGY. MYTH as in not real. Not trying to be a dick, but... DAMN!!!!I'm sorry, Norse mythology. As if it really matters. 🤣
My Beans as well as murder giants as well as people without much prejudice.
Thor Talk isn't Ragnarok the idea that sater destroys the known realm asgard I don't know how killing gients helps "stave of ragnorock"
Thor Talk also who cares it's all fake they could say thor was killed by the giant fuzzy teddy bear for all I care. It doesn't really matter it's mythology anyway
The thing is I understand all the people who are like “bruv it’s just a story” and shit, but on the other hand this man is putting himself and his content out to our judgement and is doing what he loves talking about something he is obviously passionate about. (This was not meant for the people who have commented and made it clear they aren’t being assholes btw)
The developers of GOW also kinda turned Hercules into a jealous middle child.
Well I mean when there's two spawns of Zues and its Kratos and Hercules and they pick a god of war and kratos gets it it would make sense that Hercules would be jealous I mean they made him do some weird ass tasks with no actual reward other than being famous
Who looks like hulk with normal skin
@@theguyfromtsukihime3898 which makes sense isnt hercules supposed to be stronger than zeus
@@theguyfromtsukihime3898 tbh Hercules looks baller
Thor is still a fat dobber - Mimir
Tim Vano lol
Yes, head.
Tim Vano best comment ever
Lmao 'fat'
I read this comment in mimir’s voice
Hades in Greek mythology was actually quite chill but had a you got to earn it mentality. Hades almost never did anything bad he actually always helped those that came to him with a request merely they had a condition to meet if they failed he wouldn’t give them what they want if they succeed they can walk away no issues
tường nguyễn That's the story of Orpheus
Good point, interesting how without hades doing his job then the other gods in the pantheon would be fucked six ways from Sunday and sideways. Doesn’t get the appreciation deserved
He wasn't chill when he took persephone
Ok hades never raped Persephone and also when he took Persephone he said she can leave whenever she wants also that was zues plan hades had no idea on how to get her cause he was given a bad wrap his whole life.
LT Butterfly287 k thx.
Marvel's Thor is an alien living on a flat-earth style planet
He's a kree
Hagar TheHonorable that’s the movies comic Asgardians are gods same with Greek as well
Ummm movie or comic thor would obliterate the actual thor in mythology. The comic thor is far more superior than Kratos with greek weapons.
Now you hate Marvel's thor ?! You guys are such douchebags
Technically speaking Gods are aliens because they're not from our world
When you said marvels god of thunder I almost got mad.
RxDoc why?
Mr Unknown because Thor isn't a marvel hero.
RxDoc he is.
Mr Unknown I believe in Thor.
The Thor in marvel is just based on the deity of the same name. So technically it's a bit infuriating in a way to bring up the comicbook hero....
All the stories told about Thor being an asshole were told from the point of view of the giants. Perhaps this stories are complete exaggerations on part of the giants. Maybe the giants were harmful to humans and Thor was just protecting the humans by slaying the giants and the giants spun the story in their favour within their own race.
That's actually pretty interesting
Thor got told by his Dad Odin to kill the Giants, bc. Odin was angry about his banishment from Jötunheim.
But why Faye didn’t harm kratos he half human
@Gamers com as much I wish that could be the case, the way his kids were portrayed in the game as complete retard assholes makes me think they are gonna go with the aesir are pure evil plot line. Thor being the most insane.
@@imstuckstepbro3229 she tried....and got killed 😂
Why is there so much fuss about this suddenly? What rock have you people been hiding under since 2005? You know GoW is not, and has never attempted to be, an accurate retelling of whatever mythology it's based on right? That's like pointing out that Thor was never an Avenger or that Dragon Ball isn't exactly like Journey to the West, like we don't already know that. It's not, "getting it wrong" when it's clearly and deliberately a different take on the characters/myths.
YES!
Xero Kaiser what rock do you life? With this logic can be used for Everything. Thor talk was only pointing out how accurate the game's mythology is and was never attempted to get this not logical comment. I never attempted to offend you i was just pointing out this silly logic.
Strongly agree. The Devs wanted to create an adventurous and exciting story with the use of Norse mythology. It doesn't have to be historically and culturally accurate if you want to create your own story.
Tuxedo Steve YES!
Well technically speaking, the actual myth isn't historically accurate either. It's a myth. Lol All myths are inaccurate.
1:38 his goal in this game isn't to kill all the gods. The ones he do kill were just in the way of his goal. In the past games, he sought revenge on the gods, while in this one he just wants to fulfill his wife's last request.
It's because Kratos hated being cursed with immortality.
@Cameron Hawthorn kratos doesn't have a soul however he's seen non resistant against norse magic
@@christianhenry4173 In the Original God of War Trilogy (Greek Mythology) Kratos's actual goal was to get rid of the memories and the awful things Kratos had done and gone through. He was never able to sleep and constantly had nightmares and was Haunted by what he had done. He specifically wanted to get rid of the memory of when he was tricked by Ares into slaughtering a village but he didn't tell Kratos that his wife and daughter were there. Which resulted in their death
Thank you for this comment. I had to pause the game when he said the basic premise for the previous games was to kill all the gods, he didn't pay attention to the story of Kratos at all.
Yeah but god of war isnt right about norse mythology right? I mean kratos never existed plus thor was a morally correct god. So whatever the story of gow about thor is it doesnt matter as it is just made up.
I like the video, but I'm still not sure if its necessary. God of war has taken liberties with the lore, if people don't know that then its unfortunate.
yeah kratos let loose the evils in pandoras box like im pretty sure the evils are still infecting people. if ragnorok can bring the serpent back from the future to before its birth then thor and the rest of the gods could be subjected to it. this was my headcanon. I mean just because he released hope back into the world doesn't erase the evils. so in turn this alternate history loops into infinitum cause ares was a stupid prick. this also gives credence to why zues would betray gaea after she helped him. and why zues dad was a prick if it went far enough.
Sentinel Prime IKR and I'm sure Thor didn't run around with the hulk either and I am 100%sure he wasn't besties with Capitan America .
I actually love the way God of war did this excellent writing.
V WorldWide oh yeah he definitely wasn't 🙄
Kratos would destroy Thor without breaking a sweat.
Sentinel Prime but we are talking fiction or mythology Thor was probably like 4ft 1 and saw a giant as a 6 foot guy down at the local pub and slaying him was beating him in a game of kick the coconut or what ever sport they played in Norse town .
the title is wrong, they didn't get the wrong they made conscious decisions.
He did that to get clicks.
@@aperio2472 he said it in the video
1:27 Actually, the Olympians for the most part were good gods in the games, however Athena orchestrated their downfall by deceiving Kratos into opening Pandora's box to kill the evil Ares, which accidentally released the evils of the box into the world which corrupted the gods, turning them evil. Not to say they weren't tyrants, they just weren't as bad originally as they were in the later games.
Great video by the way. Love the info on the dualistic outlook on life in norse myth :)
ASGARDIAN BRONY there were a few yes but for the most part most of the gods were evil in Greek myth often harming both men and women who didn’t do anything wrong.
Ah yes I forgot, still the box thing didn’t change how the gods were portrayed in mythology. Good catch though
Oh no, the Olympians were total dicks and deserved everything that happened to them.
Personally I think I’m god of war hades is portrayed horribly in mythology he was described to be a tall stoic and dark looking man but the made him a overweight spiked inferno helm demon and highly demented ranting about taking Kratos soul. Even though it was warranted cause Kratos killed Persephone hades wife.
He killed Persephone at the request of Zeus, Hades was buttmad his wife was killed, but she deserved it.
You seriously think marvels portrayal of Thor is accurate?? 😂😂
Anus lísten to Final lines, ok? he says Marvel Thor is closer to original, than GOW thor will ever be
@@theodorsik more accurate but not absolutely accurate
@@CummyCaptain but it is not 😂😂😂
@miguel ornelas both aren't close tbh except marvels version is slightly closer
@@theodorsik but he said in terms of personality traits. Not accurately his background and history in the Norse mythology.
Remember that this is thor explained from the prospective of giants...
Because Atreus mother was a giant and yimir is also against the gods, it's understandable why they make them look so bad
What you said in the beginning about Kratos just wanting to kill the gods wasn't just because he felt like it. Back in the original God Of War games. He swore an oath to Ares to kill his enemies and his life would be in debt to Ares. After he defeated his enemies Kratos became power hungry destroying any threat to him, later on Kratos attacks a village that had supposedly been a camp for Athenien soldiers, he killed everyone there in a blind rage and killed his wife and daughter, when he realized what he done. Ares told him that he wanted to test how much of a warrior Kratos was and after being cursed by a witch with the ashes of his family permanently on his body and given the fabled name "Ghost of Sparta." After that he vowed to kill the gods and rid himself of the nightmares of him killing his daughter and wife. It wasn't just because he felt like it.
He was actually orderes by area to attack that village and of course it was a trap to kill his family in his blind rage.
You got some of those wrong there. Ares tricked Kratos to attack the village of worshipers of Athena so he could kill his wife and daughter whom Ares put in the temple without him acknowledging, it was revealed in Ascension that Ares made Kratos kill his family so he could be separated from any bonds that could prevent him from becoming a perfect warrior whom Ares sought to overthrow Zeus. Kratos swore to kill the rest of Olympian Gods (especially Zeus) after what they done to his mother (Callisto) and brother (Deimos) and the Olympians refused to get rid of his nightmare despite the fact that he done so many deeds for them for years like when he saved their lives when Atlas tried to destroy the world after being tricked by Persephone and he also had to sacrifice his only chance to see his daughter to do so.
But how can he possibly rid himself off, the nightmare of killing his own wife and daughter?
Nope. After taking revenge of Ares and becoming the new god of war, his erratic behavior caused Zeus to betray him, so Kratos wanted revenge on him and he had to kill all of olympus since all of olympus defended Zeus
If people know who Kratos is, chances are they also know his backstory.
i think the title is incredibly misleading, it should be more like "whats the difference between god of war and nose mythology as its known" because all the "true" versions of norse mythology exist within the game, mimir tells the story about Hrungnir as you mention, but you leave out the part where atreus in that scene says "thats an awful story mimir nothing like the ones mother used to tell me" to which he replies "truth is seldom so pretty as myth and legend" the whole point of the game is to make you rethink all the stories we have read or been told. either way pointing out the "Right" version of mythology is already ridiculous, i just think the title makes it seem like the developers researched about as much of norse mythology as you did their game...
I feel it’s an example of protagonist centered morality since Kratos is a stand in for Fárbauti, Loki’s father. A sequel will probably reveal more information.
Its all different versions of thor and to be honest i cant wait to kill him in the sequel : )
if he shows up in the sequel : )
they are making two more games of god of war so he'll show up
i cant wait to poke odin's other eye out or going complete Mountain on him
@@barbatos673 yeah me too and hiemdall and thor and hopefully characters we aren't expecting like thors mum the giantess
2-3 years for the sequel
What people don't realize is that God of War has its own myth. So similar to the original Myth, but with some changes. And besides, do ya'll realize how boring and unsatisfying it would be to kill gods if they weren't assholes?
For example, Kratos was actually a god in the real Greek mythology, but a lesser known god. So, his name was given light as a son of Zeus and the conqueror of Olympus. Or like how Kratos' son Atreus is apparently Loki. Atreus is a cause of Baldur's death, but not the person to actually kill Baldur, just like Loki in the original Myth (the blind guy killed Baldur, not Loki himself). God of War re-wrote that part of Norse Myth's history.
Atreus' mother is Faye, who is based off of Laufaye in the original Myth (Loki's mother), and the name of Loki's father means "Cruel Striker", which fits Kratos. Replacing characters of the original myth with certain characters in "God of War" is an example of how the game took the original myth, and sculpted its own out of it.
Also the name of Kratos writen in the prophecy wall is actually Fárbauti. They got the Myths and gave their own spin still trying to make everything fit, as if they were the real thing instead of the "story told by the people". We should even notice that even the jötunn lie a lot in their Shrines, as even their side of Hrimthur story is "made" to look like he died in a epic battle with the Aesir, while Mimir who saw the whole incident tell the "real story" behind the fact.
Agreed.
I don't know what mythology you read but Kratos isn't a god, he is a son of Styx and Pallas and a personification of strength and brother to Bia (Force), Nike(victory) and Zelus(Zeal). So essentially a Titan. Zeus allowed them to continue existing because they helped in his victory against the Titans. Though his character is right in the games as ruthless and merciless. Though he was just a lackey to Zeus nothing more and nowhere near his son sooooo, Ares is a little bitch that even humans injured and the rest were neutral good gods with the tendency to forget that humans were alive and not puppets (though in the stories either another god or a human reprimanded and told the god who forgot otherwise)... knowing this who gives an f if the game is accurate, its fantasy nothing more nothing less. I don't see people barking for accuracy and have loki f@ck a horse in Marvel as he did in norse mythology!
@@greekjohn1998 That is some serioius zoophilla. How the fk is cory barlog gonna show that lol. Kratos just doing his thing then his son just comes up and says he is pregnet with a horse lol.
@@odin1365 Easy make the horse a centaur and Atreus magical trans (shapeshift into a woman?) I don't know man... that's for those that want mythological accuracy. And make Kratos a ruthless, merciless wimp too, cause he was Zeus's bitch in all the stories he was and they are few.
I feel like Thor's hatred for Jotuns came after the king of the Jotuns stole Mjolnir
Nah he hated Giants even before Mjolnir .
They insulted him as being stupid compared to the other gods
You sound very salty, mimir provided a reason why the stories differ from the originals tales that you know, not all myths are factual and are only told by the victors point of view.
Stay salty you sook
Hidden One that's what i was about yo Say :u
He said he liked the damn game but just wanted some people who might think that the way Thor is presented in other mediums is wrong. Watch the video before commenting ya doof
Perspective is why the stories are different, Norse mythology is a story told by the victors...the "heroes" and gods...the protectors of mankind.
God Of War is a story told by what Norse mythology calls monsters, this is THEIR story...a story where the gods mercilessly hunt their kind to extinction to stave off Ragnarok.
Nothing was told incorrectly...this is just the other side of the story.
I bet you he did watch it and still said his stupid statements face that he's just someone on RUclips. Just want something to get mad about and I'm not talking about the RUclipsr who made the video
Hidden One || I don’t know if mirmir has this story in his voice lines but have you heard that Loki fathered the serpent and even a giant wolf oh and can’t forget to mention he also fathered hel herself I’ve also heard it may be possible he fathered Odins 8 legged horse and gave birth to it himself instead of his wife giving birth to it
But is it more or less accurate than marvels thor
Well even this video has some inaccurate info. But it has a lot of accurate info to
Marvel's Thor is complete bullshit,but I like the character
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Inaccurate info such as ? And that doesn't answer his question about wether is marvel more accurate than god of war.
What about the giant killing?
Marvel's accuracy is equivalent to my fat reserves, naught
I feel like the stories in god of war are from a different perspective to the traditional Norse myths. They were told by god fearing people whereas you hear them from mimir tells the stories from the giants perspective where thor was a murdering psychopath
They should have done a dual path story showing the gods a bastards but the giants being just as bad
@@durrangodsgrief6503 fuck that no one wants to see that
@@durrangodsgrief6503 this is god of war not giants of war
Great video. You explained the mythology behind Thor very nicely. While I do understand that the depiction of Thor in God of War made him out to be a bad guy, its worth noting that we still haven't formally encountered him. Everything we heard about him was from the dialogue of people who were against him (Mimir's tales, Kratos's biased opinion of Gods in general, the spirit who wanted you to destroy Thor's statue etc.) Granted, I don't mean that any of them were wrong about Thor, but if there's anything to understand about this game series, its that these stories have a lot of complicated perspectives. I mean Kratos himself wasn't a saint. He was a damaged guy who made bad choices sometimes. He isn't a good or bad guy necessarily. That's what's so interesting here, depending on the way you look at things, the God of War series and the mythologies that it portrays are full of characters who aren't clear cut good or bad guys. I'm very interested in seeing what Thor is truly like when we meet him properly down the line.
We all need to see the other side of the coin. I say in the next game, we look at the perspective of those in Asgard and the things they need to do to impede Ragnorok. The Jötunn see Thor as a killer, Thor sees them as a threat to all of the Nine Realms.
Mimir says he wants to burn down Asgard, Odin sacrifices his eye in the Well to gain wisdom and knowledge to help save the gods and what ever else.
Kratos ‘knows’ how the gods think, even though he’s done probably worse things than them.
Thor is a hero to mankind and Baldr was actually the nicest of all the Æsir and Frigg even tried to save him from his death (stupid mistletoe)
I’m Kratos is technically still the villain in my eyes. He set Ragnarok into motion.
@@nicholasmack1764
Ragnarök is a prophecy, it's not Kratos' fault lol.
Blame the mistletoe haha
@@haruyoshida2338 dude mirmir even said kratos sped up ragnarok.
@@nicholasmack1764
Well yes, it was moved faster but, Ragnarök is inevitable. Kratos may fastened the event but, it will "still" happen anyway because it's a prophecy.
Speaking of Mimir, Odin once consulted him about how to avoid ragnarök. Mimir advised that it can only be avoided if Odin will propose peace between the 9 realms. Unfortunately, his obsession will Jotunheim holds him for doing so.
I'm disappointed that God of War changed the time Thor crossdressed to get Mjoinir back.
Actually that story is still in the game. Can't remember his disguise tho.
Alberto Fuentes loki let a horse fuck him
Alberto Fuentes || I remember that story I think it was related to Loki giving it to elves or dwarves or something right.
Everything I said may be wrong but I know heard the story just a really long time ago
In order for that to happen Loki would have to have been taken by Odin and raised as the original timeline goes, kratos upset that timeline
@ socialism rocks Haha yes, to prevent the mountain giant from completing the wall around Asgard in time. The Aesir were cheating dicks lol
I like the god of war version more
Same
I like their take on the Norse gods. I like how Odin and Thor are mentioned a lot throughout the game but are never seen which makes them seem more badass and evil honestly. When we actually do see them in the next game, it'll have more of an impact.
A theme of the game is that there is two sides to every story just like with the dark and light elves. I think what the developers are setting up is for us to flip the way we think about the current story on its head. Just a theory
Hey man, First i'd like to say, that it's nice that You want to correct how Thor and the Gods were shown in the Game. But the Main Point in God of War is, to have Reasons for Kratos to hate And to kill them. And they did actually a real Good Job with the research. Like with the World Serpent And Ragnarok, with Baldur and the only Thing that can Kill him. But it's since the First God of War Clear, that it's not accurate and it never was soupossed to be in the Games. That't the Main Point. They tell there own Story inwich the most Gods are Evil And Cruel and Selfish. But like i said, they use alot of the Myths Teach here And there some Points of it, that are like in the Myths and Change alot. Of course everyone needs to be careful to not believe the Story of the Games completly And has to research on his own. So i'm not sure what your Point is. Is it, that You want it to be more or completly acurate or that You want to Remind People, that alot of the Myths about Thor were Changed?
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To remind, I guess.
Honestly I’d just see it as a perspective change. If you look at thors exploits from anyone’s perspective other than the original stories then I’d imagine you’d get a drunken, murderous madman
You only have to look at his title 'protector of mankind' to figure this out. It would have been cool to see him as someone who was neutral or an anti-hero, but whatever. Still a great game with a solid story.
He would be kind of neutral if Kratos wouldn't kill his son (and Atreus killing his other son)
WRONG about Thor? Marvel movies are the biggest mistakes ever made on him.
Thor and his sons definitely were remade to seem more malicious. Thor may have had a temper, but he was still the protector of mankind. Odin's characterization in God of War is on point, since Odin was a manipulative bastard at times. But given Kratos' disposition on gods already, and the characters he encounters are often linked to Jotuns, he was going to have a sour opinion on Thor to begin with. I still want to check out the game though...
A fair observation, my point was that Odin was someone known by his his enemies for being willing to use underhanded tactics to gain an upper hand, and indeed it was for a noble goal, but we'd be kidding ourselves for not acknowledging that Odin broke many of his own rules.
Did you play GOW? All the stories about him were about gaining knowledge and trying to stop Ragnarok or at least make sure he survive.
Ive read that odin made woman insane and raped her so that she will bear a child
Odin is an asshole. A logical asshole, but still and asshole.
Agreed, from the perspective of mankind and the Aesir Odin would be a hero...but like anyone who thirsts for knowledge, from the perspective of his enemies he'd be seen as cruel, calculating and manipulative...someone who'd stoop to any low to get what he desires.
Thor even though he's seen as a hero by mankind...would certainly be branded a murderer...a bloodthirsty brute by the Jotun.
The thing that this video forgets is perspective, we see Norse mythology from a very different perspective than we usually would...and as Kratos himself says throughout the entire game, we should never assume without knowing BOTH sides of the story.
Obviously in the myths he's much more heroic, but to be fair when you do read the myths, Thor DOES often do a lot of Giant killing, and sometimes his rashness tends to result in the deaths of others (I seem to recall during Baldur's death, he kicked a dwarf into a pyre out of frustration over losing his brother, burning it to death). Santa Monica Studios clearly just wanted to work with that more vague stuff and portray it as "no, what if they actually were way worse than you thought." Gives the player an excuse to fight Gods.
This guy forgets that mythology is myth lmao, just a different take on it
guys, you are getting the wrong idea of this video. thor talk didn't say that the story has to be accurate and marvel's thor is the correct thor. his is just trying to end the misconception and rumor of that thor from the god of war is the real thor. thor from goW violent, abusive and kind of an maniac and kills people for no reasons. in the original mythology even tho he can get enraged quickly and he is very prideful, he has a sense of honour and he protects asgard and midgard ( earth). he helps a lot of people. he is basically hulk there. he himself enjoys the gow. he us just trying to end a rumor. so no need to be angry at him. he is just trying to help.
*A: Nothing. It has its own take on mythology.*
Stop romanticizing and making him Jesus... Thor was the protector of mankind, true, but he was also very angry and quick to enrage. At the funeral of Baldar, Thor got so angry that he kicked a nearby dwarf onto the burning boat Baldar's body was laying on...He was a God not a gotdamn superhero 🙄
Wtf r u talking about. Theses are just myths, nobody got anything wrong.
@Norvin Hobbs Yes that's what is missing, antagonize the followers of the Abrahamic religions so this senseless game will disappear, be banned and really finished.
Maybe Kratos ought to fight the Hindu gods too and antagonize the Hindus, since the god Indra has many characteristics in common with Zeus.
Many writers in past centuries were of the opinion that Zeus or Jupiter was the same as one the first important Biblical patriarchs, but his story was changed to be compatible with monotheism. Not many people realize that for now, but I think this fact will be gradually known and recognized in the (near) future. So in this sense the god of war game is already encroaching on existing religions and on Abrahamic religions.
In any case, whether one is religious or not, this game is a violent mindless pointless game and it will be dealt with conveniently and appropriately in the next few decades.
I do have one thing I wanna point out. Greek Mythology is depicted not much differently than how they depicted Norse Mythology. Not all the God in Greek Mythology are depicted as tyrants and such. Many where looked at as true figure head. Hades for example was not as cruel and grotesque as they depicted him in God of War. He was simply a man who had a job to do to keep the world going and he did it.
Not really a good natured...the murderous persona you're talking about...Mimir did said that Thor killed many gaints but he didn't mentioned all the reasons...yes he said things about Odin but that's exaggeration saying that Thor's character is wrong in GoW....in fact it's right for the lore now that Kratos and Atreus/Loki killed his children and Baldur...he's gonna be an ass to kratos and that's how you know he's gonna be a bad guy to us as a player :v
Then why did the Vikings believe if you do not fight in battle then you will not enter Valhalla, Odin simply thrives of chaos and war thus do all of the other norce gods, nothing about them screams law and order.
Man I'm impressed! I can tell you did tons of research on this. I love this channel and I'm so glad I subscribed
He didn't do enough. In some Norse mythology Thor is a jerk.
Charles Tosti || well he may be like me and not need research I know quite a bit a Norse stuff off the top of my head because Norse mythology is actually really fun and interesting to read.
Especially when you read that Loki is the serpents father.
@@hammerstargamez7228 That would mean Jörmungandr would be Thor's step-cousin.
@first last I knew that. But then how would Jörmungandr really be related to Thor since Jörmungandr is Loki's son.
What I know about Norse mythology. Thor ate, drank and fought. I personally this this is a great portrayal of Thor
good video and information.. also baldur is nothing like in the game.. he was very handsome and good person
Murat Da He was the Baldur in the myths before Freya cursed him to never die.
So in a sense, the Giants of Norse mythology have more in common with the Titans from Greek mythology.
You started this video by calling him “marvels god of thunder” and you pretty much lost all credibility right there.
Shut up
@@Slyfer80631 lmao he did thors not just from marvel twat
This title is definitely misleading. You're not bringing up a single thing that God of War got wrong about Thor, you're just pointing out stories told within the game that are missing context. Other than that you're just pointing out some facts that weren't even mentioned in the game itself, so I'm having a hard time understanding what they got wrong about Thor? Just because you're going more in-depth in some stories that were told in God of War doesn't make the game "wrong" about Thor. The game not including a story about Thor won't make them wrong either. One could say that some of the stories told in the game were unprecise and missing context, but they were not "wrong" or "false".
so, they basically made him evil when he's good in reality ? I can't say I like that as it deviates a lot from the actual mythology but oh well
The story is told from the view of his opposition. Not a neutral telling, the story doesn't have any massive breaches in lore
They did make baldur more twisted and I feel like they will put a dark twist on every norse god
Yeah don't use Marvel in your comparison
Why not use it?? It's his video none of ur business
Like, people should stop taking these Christianized, romanticized, norse stories, and spend the 60.00 to get a copy of an old Norse religious novel like the poetic edda or something. The Gods were pretty shit.
Personally it would be nice if they made Thor more of an anti-hero in the next game explaining why he did what he did and the events that led to him being the way he is.
actually GOW still have more stuff right than Marvel since they only change the way the god act and a lil bit of stuff and that it
while Marvel literally make the god become alien
There's a different approach. While God of War presents them as the "real" gods from the true mythology (we all know, they were nothing like that, but it's the game's universe), Marvel presents them as aliens basically, powerful, but still mortal beings, who inspired the human mythology instead of coming from it.
*Reality* (and GoW to some extent): mythology came first, true "immortal" gods (immortal as not dieing naturally, but still could be slain by Kratos for example).
*Marvel:* aliens came first and inspired there respective mythologies.
Yes, in both cases are liberties to be taken, because the real mythological gods were nothing like that, but that's just the way the creators of said franchises worked things out. They took inspiration in existing mythologies and bent them to fit their own ideas.
@@Croftice1 still basically what i said GOW still have more stuff right "overall"
@@hikarihakai1285 I didn't say you're wrong, I basically expanded on what you've said (for others). My intentions were not to prove you wrong in any way, just to add stuff.
@@Croftice1 i know i just happy and well that just how i talk
They also got Kratos wrong too. Hes not bald.
Hes not a god but a titan
And hes not as vicious in video games
His name is also pronounced
Cratos
Great video, man. I really like the new God of War, it is a great game. But I think it is a shame that now many people believe that Thor was a murderous tyrant, terrorizing mankind.
Or, to put it in the words of the mighty Amon Amarth:
Thor, Odin's son,
protector of mankind,
ride to meet your fate,
your destiny awaits!
Raise your horns to the mighty Thor!
Its because he originally was a bloodthirsty warmonger in the myth. Even if he protected most of mankind he was still the prime source of storms and lightning, causing many deaths and one of the greates warmongers among the Aesir.
domexn4 That may be true but he still had a sense of honor (at least in the stories I read and heard). In GoW he seems to lack that completely.
Jan M we literally saw Thor for once....just once..how can you say something about that?
Satan's Grandchild He beat his own son half to death and SPOILER! in a bonus mission it is revealed that Thor murdered an innocent family after abusing there hospitality for weeks.
Jan M lmao that's not in the Greek Mythology...in fact the few hundred pieces of the old mythology states that Thor became aggressive as the time progressed and before he could get even worse the Ragnarok happend..he was killed
It’s not “wrong” it’s there version of thor
I love how he's portrayed in GoW. The stories you hear about him make it terrifying. A mass murdering psychopath with a weapon of mass destruction. Fits well with God of War lore tbh.
Fr the story of thamur was terrifying especially when mimir said "thooor"
Why the dislikes? I'm actually glad this vid got made... I'm now interested in norse myth because of GOW... and this vid clear some things up of what are and what not...
Very good and interesting video. This doesn't take anything from the real Norse stories but I myself saw God of War's interpretation of things as a "what if the Gods were real" scenario, where humanity's accounts exist but were mere fantasies or embellishments . And the stories we are told would be the "truest" stories, even if without Odin's and Thor's account of events.
Sort of goes in hand with Kratos' pov and acceptance of the chaotic nature of the world and it's people, and actually made it one of the most interesting and believable Norse fiction works to me. Just my take on it. I did find it a shame Giants seemed to be portrayed so benevolently though, although the series is just beginning and going by the end I suspect that perspective might change later on.
An in game reason for the disparity is that the sources saying that the asgardians were good guys could heave been written by someone loyal to Asgard.
It's funny how you try to say the correct history of Thor when the creators of God of War always take liberties to do their work. In first place the giants were supposed to be a horrible race which always wanted to search and destroy everything (not exactly this, but you get the idea), but in the game they are innocent people. I mean, all GoW games take their own interpretation of mythology and modify it accordingly to they necessities. This game is not different.
I happen to recall Kratos mentioning to Atreus, after helping one of the restless spirits, that there are "two sides to every story."
Throughout the course of the game, we are told everything about the Aesir from a very one sided point of view. Mimir, Freya, Atreus, and the World Serpent all loath the Aesir gods, but could it be that there is more to them than meets the eye? Baldur mentions how "fucked up" his family is, right after Atreus shot Kratos with an arrow out of sheer rage. Perhaps that will make more sense if we hear their side of things in the next game.
Well I’m only 2 minuets in and I just want to say something about your “gods we’re kind to humans” statement so If you mention it later on in the video I will delete this comment. but that’s not entirely true as Odin was feared by many pagans and he is actually the reason we give cookies and milk to sant on Christmas as it comes from their tradition they would give offerings to Odin such as milk bread...ETC and they would give such offerings so that Odin would spare them (or something like that this is the part I’m a bit fuzzy around the reasoning part).
But this is totally unrelated but Odin is also where the concept design for Santa came from.
Dude like, Thor killed his own goats to feed a farmers family, and when he resurrected them the next day, and one was lame, he fucking nearly butchered the whole family, and he woulda if Loki hadn't stopped him. 'Protector of mankind' my ass. Warrior god yes. Protector. No.
@@campingbutwithabudget.7521 one of the kids broke the legs of his goats and so it was incredibly weak and meeded to be killed again possibly delaying him and his "important" journey, considering that he was going to kill or atleast threaten Utgarda-loki who was a jotnar king (no relation to his uncle loki), the family basically fucked with national politics
I tapped this link with a very mild interest after reading the title and did not think I'd be very interested. After watching the video you've got my sub.
But I mean, as long as he keep Mjolnir, lol!
There is a lot i feel youre missing, just picking out the parts that support your argument, but whatever.
Everything you said was on point exept the fact that he was a murderous lunatic who challenged everyone to a fight and also he was really abusive to women and drank A LOT!!!!!!
TLDR All myths are over exaggerated tales of historical fiction.
Let me explain.
What you need to understand about myths is that they are written as metaphors for ancient battles that are no longer remembered accurately. The worlds oldest game of telephone where the winners decide what "acceptable" history and mythology are. Neither Marvel nor Sony have accurate depictions of Thor because of 2 things. Creative Liberty(to change aspects to suit the new medium) and Origin Bias(which versions of the myth you prefer to believe) there will never be accurate depictions of Thor unless you happen to build a time machine, find him and follow him on his IRL version of the journey(which factually will have no mythical aspects to the events in question)
God of War always tends to bend the laws quite a bit but you are kinda wrong with Norse Mythology, yes I agree that the Gods saw humans as allies they were still somewhat Tyrannical, they kept many laws over nature and man that were not necessary and often forced mankind into battle as bloodshed was how the gods were worshiped, and not only that they dictated the afterlife with serious scrutiny, if you didn't die a warrior you didn't go to Valhalla, if you died of sickness or age you would go to the good side of Hellheim if you didn't you would go to the bad side, so in other words if you were building a house for someone else and you fell and died you would be condemned to a fate similar to hell itself, at least the greeks were generous in this regard as if you lived a benevolent life you would go to Elysium
Yeah the Giants created a whole realm built on ruling themselves while the Aesir tried to keep a government like hold on humans
Seriously, why do everyone have to twist Tor for their universes? Wouldn't it be better if God of War had made it more of a grey instead of making it so black and white.
Would be interesting to see actually just Baldur being so out of touch because he couldn't feel anything that he was alone going against Kratos. Then because of Kratos slaying him, he got the raft of Asgard on him because he killed Baldur and doomed them to Ranarok, personally find that a little bit more instresting. You could even leave a lot of the story be the same way it was.
Like I love the story of God of War, though I think a more complex situation would have been more interesting.
I already know that Thor isn’t actually a blood-thirsty killer so yeah
Actually yes he “was“.
@@cesarquint256 no, even tho in original mythology he did create storms and was very prideful. he wasn't violent. he had a sense of honor and he helped mankind many times. where does the rain come from? oh yes, thor. in goW he straight up abuses and murders kids and people. marvel's thor is a lot closer than that.
@@cesarquint256 he also protects asgard and midgard.
@@cesarquint256 thor in the myth is basically the hulk.
@@diamond_dude1063 he almost murder thialfi and his family cause the kid broke grinders leg (one of the magic goats of Thor),
when one giant (or trolll) stole his hammer and demand Freya hand in return he was happy and willing to give anything in return of the hammer (freya was super pissed about this),
when Baldur die (his brother) he was being a blood thirsty prideful baby cause they need to call a giant to move baldur ship (and burn it ) cause no one could, the other were grieving, crying and respectfully of the moment, thor wanted to kill the giant cause he considered it disrespectful (he was pissed cause he couldn’t move it but the giant could, in his bro funeral)...
When tyr and Thor visit tyr family in search of the giant cauldron, tyr was so afraid he will start kill all his family (wich at the end he was close) he hide Thor name (at that moment Thor was already know as a giant killer quoting and yeah some giants were “bad” some don’t, like in the first movie of marvel ;Thor is just killing giants for fun and cause he can even when wars were already over, or he start another one) he goes fishing the next day with tyr dad or stepdad and he almost destroy the world and kill that giant, trying to catch jormungander, after that he start the killing of giants.etc.
When he visit Utgard (land of giants) he was trick (Thor wrestle against an old giant nurse and lose but was an illusion) by the giant king and was so mad he try to kill him even tho the giant king give them food, beer, fire, etc and was honest with them/him , the giant king disappear along with the castle after being honest with them and Thor almost kill him.
Etc
I know his tittles but protector of Midgard idk I don’t remember any stories that he help or protect humans (he give food to thialfi and his family), he in fact was protector of Asgard (several stories of he destroying enemies of Asgard, the master builder, troll, giants etc) but of mankind... I don’t remeber any but meh maybe, my point is clear tho I think
Well in Greek mythology Greek gods were considered good and protected mankind but the creator wanted to give a different version where the gods previously viewed as good beings as being evil. They WANTED to give something pretty unique
Well;) the story is not complete yet ..Wait for the next part.
The video itself is good, I think what's triggering people is the title of the video. Recommend you change it.
"Marvel's God of thunder" -.-
It flips mythologies upsidedown making you see another 'what if' path. Remember these are mythologies not set in stone facts. Stories thst have been passed down by generations by this single perspective of mortals. God of war gives the perspective of the supposed 'enemy' of the these gods. Nothing is black and white, its always a grey which has been a consistent theme with all the gow games.
You make a good point but it's just a game.
GustusJS
I, for one, am elated that he presented the game's shortcomings; I read about the Aesir ("Asgardians") as a youth, but he related some things in the video that I was not cognizant. I'm especially appreciative for the etymological & linguistic arguments; where I reside is teeming with gossiping fools & general miscreants, who only engage in foolishness, so I eagerly "ate up" his presentation.
the word "giant" doesn't come from "jotun". it comes from "gigas" (γίγας) in ancient greek or gigantas (γίγαντας) and it originally meant offspring of the goddess Gaia.
Hades kidnaped and raeped his niece... that makes him one of the good Greek Gods? Sick burn...
Yes
Who is hades niece?
Persephone daughter of Demeter. Also he's kidnapped Nymphs in similar fashion.
He never raped his niece
Hash chery not what the legends say...
I don’t know what Norse mythology YOUVE been studying, but Thor was a pretty hot headed tyrant in mythology as well. He didn’t slaughter for no reason, and he was by no means as evil as Greek gods, but he did get angry easily and punish innocent people severely.
In my view the game was pretty spot on, don't mix marvel with actual lore. Marvel is candy for kids but Lore of religion is always dark. Thor and Odin were both pricks
beastmode2541 I don’t think a lot of people would like to see actual Norse myths on the big screen in movie form lmao
Well, from a HUMAN’s prospective Thor was a great protector. But from a giant’s prospective he was just a bloodthirsty monster. And all the lore about Thor came from Giant’s shrines and Mimir’s tales (who was tortured by Odin for 109 winters which would make him HATE Aesir gods entirely).
Also, think about putting yourself in Baldur’s shoes. How would you feel being an immortal? Pretty cool! Now you can do anything forever! Until... you realize that all the food you eat is tasteless, you can’t tell the difference between touching a woman or a rock, you can’t feel heat or cold, you can’t even feel where you’re stepping on (could this be dogshit under your foot?). Get it now?
“Thor is much closer to his Marvel counterpart”
lol Yeah Neil Gaiman would disagree, the myths of the Norse gods we have today where written by a Christian and highly romanticised
Is it getting it wrong, or is it a story re-imagined? It's like saying making a movie about an evil Superman is wrong. It is not changed, but just a different idea.
Im bet kratos already broke thor neck
this approach to norse ancient beliefs proves that we need(and deserve) another Valkyrie profile game for consoles. its so entertaining
The GOW Thor is way more like NM Thor than marvel Thor.
Norse, and Greek mythology is considered copyright free, anyone can come up with thier own story, changing some minor details or even major events throughout out the story.
They didn’t make a mistake. They had their own story based on Norse mythology in which Thor and other god’s are evil.
I disagree ...all the North Gods drink and in God of War .Thor kills a a servant girl.( Wife and mother)whose serving him drink ,in a rage kills her due to his cup being empty. Some God.. I hope kratos wipes him out.
I think its more that they are trying to show thor from a different perspective. Not exactly that they wanted to entirely rewrite him, but since atreus' mother was a giant they wanted it to be portrayed from the giants' side.
5:13 so the Norse have their own version of yin and yang?
actually i think they did pretty good, im from denmark and beleive me when i say i know ALOT about our old myths, they did spin it abit but the norse gods where know to be cruel at times
Nah evil Thor is a much more "entertaining" depiction, than Marvel's goody two shoes version
Jay Taber || I’m right with you there. Oh btw baldur is entirely wrong in the game
@@hammerstargamez7228 lol what are you talking about. Baldur in the game is accurate. His the God of light, half brother of thor, is weak to mistletoe stems, is the catalyst for Ragnarok. That's all accurately depicted straight from Norse myth whereas marvels Baldur is absolutely different
Caleb Stephan || well I see my wording was poor, he’s very accurate in game with the only fact of personality difference, in the actual mythos he’s a very peaceful person, but then again it always depends which version of the mythos you read.
Magni and Modi, Thor’s sons were killed by both Kratos and Atreus. Also, Baldur’s death marks the beginning of Ragnarok.
Pfftt...marvel fanboys. If only Marvel never add Thor,these fanboys would never defend Thor
Hillary Trump I have yet to see one comment about what you just said stop trying to make an excuse to hate on marvel for trying to make Thor/Norse Mythology watchable
If I remember correctly in the myths Odin needed an army to fight in Ragnarok so he started wars among mankind and created Valhalla to store half of all the war dead who fell in battle so that he could build his army. The Gods are mighty but they are not innocent for the only innocents in any of the nine branches of Yggdrasil or beyond are the newborn babe come to the world as fresh as fallen snow. They are at war, and in war one does the most terrible things if they believe it is for the greater good. The same can be said for the Aesir, the Vanir and the Dwarves. Thor is a hero, but even heroes do terrible things, no one leaves this life with hands untainted.
basically this is a fanboy channel that be hatin on what the truth is and yeah thor from the MCU is VERY romanticized
To reinforce the God of War narrative, when Kratos opened Pandora's box it released the evils of the gods. Zeus's devil was paranoia, Athena's greed and Kratos's hate/vengeance. I can see why the Norse Pantheon being effected by this but maybe not.
and i must say, marvel is WRONG gow got i way closer..... thor was known to harras humans if they did not fall in place..
Thor did not harassed humans it was the jotun who did yes thor was quick tempered but never merciless.
@@blueberryindigo3087 yea he did harras humans. Get ur facts right or stfu
nope the jotuns, / jetterne harrased the gods. the jotun killed humans, not haras, gods harrased humans
@@DjDoomtrain Þor didt harass humans, he protected them
@@JaghataiKhaani he did that to. If he liked them.
Game Developers based the story on the Prose of Edda, which portrayed not only Thor but many gods as cruel beings, also mimir shows that the stories said about them ate very different from reality.
PS: Greek gods were not tyrants, they just wanted to sit on the throne as ruler of Olympus.