Destiny reacts to "Men's Rights vs Feminism"
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- Опубликовано: 11 дек 2019
- Date streamed: 12/2/2019
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"I'm a traditionalist man" - Dresses like a child in a Walmart
That guy... Yikes
It's awkward because you can't really address where he's coming from without acknowledging the existence of this entire nuts internet platform. and then you get caught up talking about it.
Washes fortnightly
Tradition is all about fashion.
@@didles123 I wouldn't go that far but it's pretty important
Destiny “watches and provides Commentary” to this debate
This is kind of a pivot but didn't he make a bunch of descriptive claims and no normative ones? He kept saying, this is how it happens but never gave his opinion on whether it was right or wrong. That is ironic because it is exactly what he criticizes Jordan Peterson on.
@@hejalll Exactly lmaooo 🤦🏾♂️.
They should have had a Woman who was MRA and a Man who was a feminist participate, because it feels like a men vs women thing.
That's the point. They want to make it seem as divided as possible while giving the most milquetoast Both Sides end-point as possible to fish in the maximum audience with their nets. They have no interest in figuring out the truth in the given scenario, or even in helping people come to true conclusions.
It is a men vs women thing rofl. Female MRAs are tokenistic af lol
@@1997lordofdoom Female MRAs exist just like male feminists exist
I agree with the man feminist but there are virtually no women MRAs because MRAs are almost all dudes who think the movement being called feminism means that the people in it hate men
@@pennyw2226 Have you hung around in an online mra space or gone to an mra convention to arrive at this belief? There are actually tons of women in the movement. Also do you really believe that's why mra's hate feminists?
Destiny got jealous that he didn't get invited to Julibee in this debate.
Next Jubilee video should have Steven and be "Steven vs. The World in every topic"
Manny EHC oh yeah yeah
But we may be a little biased
Destiny doesnt have any debate and gets jealous in this debate
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i didnt like how they framed this as a men vs women thing
Same. There a lot of male feminists they could have got on.
I saw it as a humans vs derrick thing.
Tom H I heard that the guy who they call an MRA is actually not an MRA. But I might have to look into this background
Hard to find women in men's rights movements. Feminism is better carried out by women.
Plus on a topic like that it can't hurt to have equal number of men and women.
@@syriph2527 Male feminists...dude...worst kind of people.
"We're in a fallen state!"
UH-MAZING.
Well we live in an anarchy tyranny . The government is all powerful bit only selectively enforces laws. Guns are banned for felons but all gang members still gave guns. Our politicans are corrupt and police get away with murder.
@@zm1786 Sounds like the mafia is running the joint.
@@browsertab indeed . I recently heard about. A swat officer and his teacher wife were busted for making child porn with his students. The worst part is his ex wife caught him in the act with a 13 year old girl and local police buried it for years. It goes high up . They want to take our guns because guns are the only way to rid ourselves of these parasites.
Poo
UH-MAYZ'N
I think it's extremely difficult for (many) men to understand how unpleasant unwanted attention can be when they can go their entire lives without getting any type of attention from the opposite sex. Men and women definitely face unique social issues when it comes to dating, and you do have to actively make an effort to empathize with the opposite gender in these situations, and I can see why to a lot of men, when they realize the thing they want the most (attention, affection), can actually be an absolute nightmare to some women, have a difficult time finding that level of empathy and understanding. Like if you're dying of thirst in a desert, then you might give anything to be the person drowning in a lake.
The opposite is also true, though. I think a lot of women, especially those that get a lot of attention for their looks, don't know how tough it can be to face rejection. I've seen a few anecdotes from bi women and the like on how hard it can be, as well.
In the end, we should all strive to have empathy for one another.
atariDC_ you need your own youtube show my friend bravo
@@onalos1271 Yeah, I feel that way of not feeling the connection between guys. I am so far down the road of realizing how stupid it is to avoid personal problems and issues, as well as whole this "Patriarchy" (I honestly feel disturbed still by feminists calling it that way, implying it should be good for me since I am the "right" gender for it, but I hate most of the aspects of this system and got hurt a lot by it) but still feel that if I would be so close to someone it would be "gayish" (not like I am afraid to be gay, but I feel like this type of connection would be trying to establish relationship) like it's something in my subconscious.
@@onalos1271 You're right that men need their own spaces and they used to have those. It's just that women have invaded most of them by now. Latest example that comes to mind are the "boy" scouts. The thing is that men's behavior changes as soon as you introduce a woman to a group. Men need some time away from women so they can talk honestly with other men. There are just things men won't say when women are around out of fear of appearing weak. And this fear is legitimate. Women will totally judge a man who comes across as weak or vulnerable. In fact it turns them off. You may say otherwise but many men have come to learn that what women say they want and what they actually want are often two different things. Some of these women might even believe themselves that they want their man to be more emotional/vulnerable/etc with them. But then they lose respect for him the moment he shows them his emotional side. Maybe some women really do like their man to be emotional/vulnerable/etc with them but that has to be the exception. It seems like these women want their man to also be their girlfriend.
Regarding "game" I agree that it's not a positive development. But have you thought about why it even is a phenomenon nowadays when it didn't used to be? 60 years ago the majority of women used to be dependent on their husband financially. That was often a big incentive to keep the marriage going (also no-fault divorce wasn't a thing back then). Queue the sexual revolution and as it becomes more accepted people are having more and more sex outside of marriage. Add some more feminism into the mix and now most women work and earn their own money. So women are no longer dependent on a man and no longer need to marry early in life. All that lead to more promiscuity. Women are now giving away their pussy more readily. (In fact my own grandpa told me that perhaps he wouldn't have married my grandma had people been as promiscuous back then as they are today.) And since women earn their own money now they have more or a choice in who they have sex with. They no longer have to go for men who are good providers and instead often choose to go for men who are good lovers. So men adapted and figured out how to make women believe they are good lovers and lots of women fall for them. That's how we got to where we are today. Men haven't changed that much. It's mostly women that changed. And you can blame feminism. I hope it was worth it.
@@onalos1271 I agree with you for the most part, but I wanna react to one thing: "but men seem to often "game" women, like prey they are trying to conquer instead of having a genuine connection"
Thats because men are inredibly horny. As a man, part of me would like to fuck every single attractive girl that I come across. Every single one. Sure, women has sexuality too, but its quite a bit different and it comes from our biological programming. The other guy was actually right about how men start to act differently as soon as a girl is introduced to a group, and sure that kinda sucks, but its really really hard not to change the way you act when you are around women as a heterosexual man. I personally can barely talk around women lol.
Men's physical attraction to women is simply incredibly strong, and Im not necessarily saying this as an excuse, its just something to keep in mind. Its kinda fucked up, but the frustration that comes purely from this physical tension itself is quite a bit to handle, I honestly think that thats the root to all these problems, it is that simple. Generally speaking if you desire something so badly, just in a physical level, you just take it. Like, if you are thirsty, get some water. You see a nice cake you wanna taste, buy it. But its a bit different when what you desire is another human being. In the animal world "sex" and "rape" is FAR less distinguished if you think about it. But humans are a weird ass phenomenon, we are self consious and intelligent. Imo figuring out how to "properly" handle sexuality, bringing this mess up to the level of intellectuality is one of the greatest challanges of our species, because as easy as it sounds, its actually not that easy. Either way, sorry about all the bullshit, we dont mean it.
Destiny was not reacting in this debate
I think he talked more about the game he was playing than the video.
@@jeffc5974 bruh he said a total of like 2 things in relation to stardew valley lol
I'm not sure what the solution should be to the increase of people being lonely these days, but I think I can pretty confidently say that regressing back to cultural norms from 70 years ago is not it.
M3phistos Cafe Ive seen a lot of my friends, especially men, gravitate towards fascist and anti-feminist influencers and communities because they feel a longing for the tribalism that comes with those older cultural norms you’re speaking of. I feel for them. The longing clearly comes from a place of loneliness.
@@kevinboyle109 Yeah, far right groups are taking full advantage of this, and are tricking men into thinking that if they support their fascist ideas it will get them laid by hot tradcon white women.
Stacey Solano that is true, but to old3nglish’s point, they will find a sense of belonging in the right. I don’t know how to break the spiral. The center-left offers nothing for my friends. My brother feels hated in his own culture, even though most people would consider him the dominant social group.
Stacey Solano eh look at what just happened in the UK. This far right resurgence hasn’t pumped the breaks.
I think the point for a lot of the far right incel/MR types the ultimate point is women won’t have a choice to reject them. They won’t admit that, but it’s the goal either through cultural conditioning or violence.
@@onalos1271 Very true. I am a woman who has emphathy for those antifeminists too, but mine is similar limited. The whole movement seems to be based on a feeling of entitlement to have a girlfriend. They even complain about women being more attracted to good looking men, as if men were only attacted to our inner beauty. I was an ugly looking teenager, became a lot better looking later (I kind of grew into my natually red hair) and now everywhere I go men open doors for me.
This Derick guy is just one rejection away from going on a killing spree bro..
Hahaahahaha it's so true
@UltArcRanger Poor woman i guess (I'm not guessing he got married with a man haha, guys like this are so painfully heterosexual, it hurts)
@zyklon b Right wing extremism is literally responsible for over 50% of all domestic terrorism but go off I guess.
@Andrew Stevenson how do you know he's a trump supporter, yes hes crazy to say the least, but how do you know his political views
Don't assume someone's policital views just because they disagree with you on something or oppose you on something
For all you know he could be a Bernie supporter
He should channel his "killing spree" tendencies in League if Legends
I love how the people who complain about mens outcomes in family court are the same people who say that women are naturally better care givers to children....
Almost like there lieing about caring about it ...
Damn, I never thought about that.
@Anarcho Frills Source?
@@onalos1271 wow. U must have lived through some traumatic experiences
They don't necessarily contradict each other.
You could admit that women tend to be care/nurture better, and still be against how much the court takes away from the father in most cases, it could be specifically they have a bit TOO little custody time with the child.
Do you think there's a minimum amount of custody hours per week that a father should have (this varies of course but it's honestly besides the point)? If so, there is an environment for that wish to be violated.
Everytime I've seriously considered suicide, i was completely alone everyday for months prior. Everytime ive reached peek happy, i had friends around everyday.
Im a night logger 12h per night for 7 months straight every year. Before this career i took for granted my friends, i had no idea how important they were.
Editing: I think I wrote this before seeing your message.
@@sillyfoxer9927 How are you doing?
Also, being strong vs emotional..
If you have no emotions, you cannot be (emotionally) strong. You are strong if you learn to control and work with those.
Similiarly, you are not strong if you have no weights to lift to begin with.
"don't call it reacting" video is titled Destiny reacts. nice
(that's the meme you dip)
My pee pee
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MiniBirthMyChildren ok boomer hahahahahahahahaha 🤣 🤣 hahah day era eke faves East
@@CODELIRIOUS-sy8xz Is the ok boomer still a thing for anyone other than boomers, also your english broke 2nd part of your comment
-I don't need your [men's] help.
Few minutes later "Do women and men need to be allies"
>sits down
It is literally a contradiction
"I've studied evolutionary biology" is code for "I watch a lot of Stefan Molyneux"
"I've studied evolutionary biology" is code for "I've studied evolutionary biology"
Sure thing John Smith.
@@gamesetcrash5312 just watched your channel. Cheers for the cringe fest.
@@johnsmith7465 lol. Thanks John Smith. Anytime.
"Toxic masculinity isn't real."
*1 minute later*
"What does toxic masculinity mean"
It isn't real. You can still ask the other person what they think is toxic. If they answer "men don't cry", then you know you won.
@@mr.thongsong8473 it is real. As a weaker guy, I was always told I'm girlish for not being agressive, I was abused when I showed feelings because others thought I was weak and so I wouldN#t retaliate. If there wasn't a toxic part to masculinity, then my bullies would have had noneed to prove theirmanliness by being an agressive assholes.
I don't believe my masculinity today is toxic, I actually don't care about what makes me masculin. My gender really doesn't play a role in the construction of my identity. Does yours really? Do you think about being a man all the time?
@@partlycurrent No it isn't. The fact that you use bullying as evidence, in order to sway me or the people reading, shows that you do understand how unpopular it is to bully and that it doesn't advance you socially. If beating up someone weaker than you proves you're a man, everyone would do it, including you. Instead we see them as aggressive assholes, as you pointed out.
Mine does and I think about it. Not all the time but especially when people attack me for being a man. Toxic masculinity is just a way for weak people to attack men.
It's the new pivot for feminists after patriarchy, rape coulture and man spreading was laughed out of the room.
@@mr.thongsong8473 actually no. Its is real. And everything you said is moronic.... Just because you're the garbage person who wants to get away with bullying. Doesnt mean everyone does. Youre either completely inept. Or just a complete piece of garbage human being.
@@DeceptiveSoul I think you are misunderstanding how a term is used.
Toxic masculinity refers to behavoirs associated with masculinity that are harmful (toxic).
Toxic masculinity DOES NOT mean that men or masculinity is inherently toxic.
In fact, the qualifier toxic implies that there are non-toxic forms of masculinity. Let me give you an example:
"Men shouldn't take no for an answer" and "Men shouldn't acknowledge their feelings" are pretty harmful ideas and would probably be considered toxic.
"Men should be assertive about what they want" and "men should stand up against injustice" are much less harmful and probably wouldn't be considered toxic.
Wait, Destiny is 5'8"? What's with all the short jokes? US average is only 5'9". Dunno worldwide average, but I'm guessing 5'8" is above it.
Because a lot of people get triggered by destiny and want to go apeshit at him through whatever avenue they can, regardless of how legitimate. Same thing with all the "destiny is a pedophile" jokes.
It's b/c he's below 6ft.
Below 6.1 is already manlet tier
Plus his relatively thin frame doesn't help
Because 5'8 is considered short in most western countries.
Tim Maes what that’s insane. i’m like 5’2.5 and looking at 5’8 guys make me feel so small in comparison
The "men die significantly younger" (by like 7 years) "because of their own suppression of emotions" triggers the fk out of me coming from feminists. When your whole ideology centers around you finally speaking for yourself, and believing lived experiences, and having your own voice, you can't turn around and speak for the other side. The evidence for such a claim would have to be astronomical, to even suggest the suppression of men's emotions, as a group, noticeably lower's their expected age.
Evidence supporting contrary causes is insurmountable: Men (especially in previous generations, but even today) are almost always the ones sent to war, for example. PTSD from seeing your friend die on the battlefield, or seeing a child bomber, ect. ect. so greatly outweighs the foundless claim that 1. Men suppress their emotions meaningfully more than women (unfounded claim #1) 2. that the suppression of emotions like sadness will decrease your lifespan, on average, by years, and should be the primary focus in relation to men's lifespan's being shorter (unfounded #2) and that 3. It just so happens that women need to speak up FOR ThE BENIFIT OF MEN about their OWN toxic masculinity. That last part really rubs me the wrong way: if women complained about men being toxic towards women, that would be different, but they attack "masculinity" under that guise of wanting to help men truly expression their suppressed emotions which they assume all men have and feel they can't express-- It reminds me of a relationship fight, where the woman is complaining about how the man's not intimate enough to her, and must be suppressed, or thinking about someone else, but in reality he's thinking about the price of bitcoin or what he wants to eat.
Another thing that undoubtedly TOWERS over "the supression of emotions" in relation to men's lifespans' is the fact that men basically do all the dangerous outside work. How many times have you seen someone filling concrete or repairing a road right next to traffic, or seen someone outside in construction garb doing risky physical labor? Probably on numerous occasions. Now how often were they men? Almost always, especially working on roads right next to traffic. **Things like dangerous construction work, going into the military, and literal male on male violence UNQUESTIONABLY outweigh "the suppression of emotions" in relation to men's lower expected lifespan.** To suggest you must read men's minds, and divine their emotional suppression in order to explain their shorter lifespans is infantilizing (ironically so, as that's the very thing they complain about men doing) and disrespectful to those who have risked their lives for the benefit of the rest of us.
I don't understand your claim about PTSD (genuinely trying to understand, not attack you). We have evidence that speaking about a traumatic event can help prevent PTSD rates, wouldn't you say that men having PTSD does speak to emotion suppression or not speaking about emotions? How would you interpret women having higher rates of PTSD (about 50% from what I've seen compared to 40% in Vietnam veterans) from sexual assault? I agree that it's a leap of logic to assume the suppression of emotions is behind lifespan claims. I think they meant suicide rates though. Which still would be inaccurate, given that women attempt suicide at the same rates. I disagree, just like you, with the claim women need to speak for the benefit of men. But in fact I've seen many contrary claims from feminists, for example that masculinity is their own problem to solve for themselves and not feminists' job to do. I know this is a comment from a year ago, sorry. I'm speaking as a woman from a country where military service is mandatory for women, by the way. And in my country, men try to limit women who want to join fighter ranks. So it seems a bit disingenuous for men to claim they do all dangerous work and women have it easy (specifically about military service) while also speaking out against women who want to do dangerous service.
@@yaeli_i_guess I actually like being brought back to old comments like this that I had forgotten about, so no need to apologize. You're right that the PTSD claim doesn't make much sense. This is largely because rates of PTSD are both inconsistent and unreliable. There are different degrees and types of trauma that can lead to PTSD, and I'd confidently claim that women are more likely to see a therapist and get diagnosed for such things. I was specifically talking about, if you reread the original comment, members of active duty on battlefields that have extreme PTSD from warfare (these are far more likely to be men). I am sure the issue is somewhat different in your country--but may still be the same in some ways--but in America at least, men represent a large majority of members of the military, and an even more extreme majority of members of active service. But that was just one example of the many GREATLY more significant contributors of men's lower lifespan--there are many more important and admirable reasons that men live shorter than women (some of them are not so admirable). But the point was that it's an unfounded, ridiculous, and disrespectful claim that the major reason for men's lower lifespan AND higher suicide rates is because they don't talk about their feelings.
Men succeed in committing suicide far more than women. Women attempt suicide far more than men. Of course these are both bad, but objectively, committing suicide is worse and more serious than attempting it. They are both terrible, and attempts warrant psychological help, but because women tend to use non-violent means (like taking pills), they're less likely to die from it. My instinct is that many women who attempt it use it as an attention thing, or a immature cry for help, but that's just an assumption of mine.
I'm sorry to hear that men try to limit women who want to join fighter ranks in your country. Is this "limiting" a suggestion with good intentions, or is it a policy that disallows women for certain roles simply because they are women? And also, even if this limiting wasn't taking place (like in America, where women are allowed to join any role they choose), I'd bet money there'd still be more men who went into those fighter roles. And having somewhat of a barrier to being in active combat seems like a fairly small issue, all things considered-- active combat is very undesirable to almost all people. In America, women are far less likely to join the military, and far less likely to be in fighting roles, despite being fully able to.
Destiny became an incel in this debate
I think it would be easier for Richard Spencer to become an Antifa soldier.
One must become his enemy to defeat it
Destiny is definitely an incel. The fact he bangs heaps of people is irrelevant to the point.
Destiny: Please don't call it reacting, im just watching and talking about it."
Title: "Destiny reacts to "Mean's Rights vs Feminism""
I feel like the problem is your average feminist doesn’t spend hours every day watching MRA destroyed videos. But for almost all MRAs it is a major part of their lives.
Which leads to the core reason for the divide. Misogynists use these young disgruntled men as a recruiting pool for their negative ends, and masquerade it around as 'men's rights'. Men have actual problems that need to be dealt with, but the people that would advocate for them are being picked out and lead down a hateful path instead of a good one, scared away from mra rights by the reputation those bad faith actors have, or just join links with actual feminist groups.
Stacey Solano sadly women in combat roles probably will not last, I worked in a G1 for the 1st infantry division in the army until about a month ago when I hit my ETS, and the latest reports we had from the new female combat integration trial units were significantly reduced combat efficiency in drills and almost triple the number of files of SHARP complaints with a less then a 2% arrest rate
I wouldn’t be surprised if the army quietly gets rid of the program and phases women back out of combat MOS’s
You're right but I don't know if the problem lies in what videos these people watch. I feel like both can be very vitriolic and toxic and acting in a reactionary way towards the opposition. It's two sides of the same coin.
@@arkcantoscreampsnpc7274 Not to mention women aren't expected to fight, and because of affirmative action garbage they still get paid just as much for far less work.
1997lordofdoom that’s why they’re always talking about triggering the left and making the left upset. It’s some weird type of deflection. Like they feel stupid so they take so much pleasure in watching a video in which someone they disagree with looks stupid themselves. I feel like there was a better way to word that but my brain is toast from work lol
i loved how the girl said "5'8 is tall" with shyness
Destiny: "Don't call it reacting, it triggers me!"
Editor: "Destiny reacts..."
You do know that Destiny names love these videos to bring in people right
Ayyy its ma boy Derrick "The Incel".
@@ezaf5989 I have actually seen weeb couples, they breed, gross.
@@frbe0101 WEEBS RISE UP AYAYA Clap
@@MrCman321 He ain't wrong.
@@frbe0101 Change the word "weeb" with black or interracial, and you have a post straight outta /pol/
@@roboactive Are weebs a race?
The moment i finished this jubilee video, it immediately came to my mind how much I wanted Destiny to react to this.. I'm so mindblown rn 🤯
Weak
@@honest_bishop5905 ur mom's weak
@@ezaf5989 thanks, random stranger on the internet 😂
Reddit moment
To bad he didn't react to it tho :(
These middle ground videos are not useful IMO. It's just people with problematic opinions put in a room for conflict. Orchestrated clickbait. They don't harbor any decent conversation.
I think it helps to put people with ridiculous opinions in the daylight, but they could be more careful about making sure that both sides have some kind of source material and legitimate background to speak of.
Random youtuber incel guy has nothing valuable to add to this discussion, but it's great to have him there because that would allow someone who knows and understands feminism can unpack his 'feels' arguments and show where they are flawed.
It's disappointing that the supposedly educated feminists in this conversation can only speak out of personal experience rather than use the plethora of sociological evidence to argue their claims (e.g. that feminist organizations do a lot of good for men, or that women are still being disenfranchised and threatened in many aspects of their lives).
@@Zabuzakashi The issue with evidence and full on arguments is that they usually take time to prepare and an explicit skillset to express. Being an expert Ph.D with 30 years in a field doesn't make you a good debater in the same way that it doesn't necessarily make you a good teacher.
@@rocketrelm1125 Definitely, I'm not claiming that someone with a PhD is always the best person to make an argument.
But, any researcher worth their salt should at least be quite up-to-date with the scientific evidence, or the major frameworks that are present in their discipline. These facts won't sway an ideologically convinced audience, but it's much better than just saying 'I didn't bring a list.'
@@Zabuzakashi His specific question was about specific advocacy groups and a list of their meaningful accomplishments. That's not something you can explain via the scientific evidence. The counselor would know to correctly, on the spot, say "I don't have that on hand, but I can look up the data and give you a list afterwards with some notice", but again that's not the field of scientific research. Applied and Theoretical sciences are very separated.
Edit: There's honestly a nonzero percent chance she *did* say that, but they just cut it out because they need to Both Sides this argument and time constraints are a perfect excuse to use the one opportunity the mras have to look good to implement said Siding on the Both.
@@Zabuzakashi Feminist organizations doing something is not an argument for feminism, just as christian charity isn't an argument for christianity. These people aren't opposing that kind of rare feminism anyhow, but the pervasive, pop-culture kind that accomplishes nothing for anybody.
I love watching Destiny's videos because he's typically less concerned with "winning" in a debate or conversation than he is in getting to the truth of a thing. There are so few people that are willing to drop their cherished intuitions.
However, whenever a social issue comes up Destiny starts White Knighting hard. That's not to say that he's necessarily wrong all of the time but he seems to think less in terms of cold objective logic in favor of coming to the"underdog's" rescue.
On a side note: the men's rights movement and the feminist movement should, in my opinion, never be represented as opposing viewpoints. It makes no sense to compare the plight of the two genders. It p bothers me when an MRA sweets says, "Men have higher death rates due to suicide and workplace accidents" and it's met with, "Well women can't safely walk to they're cars at night". Likewise I hate it when a feminist says, "We're at higher risk of being under diagnosed" and some guy is like, "But family court..."
Both genders have problems. It's should not be reduced to a zero-sum game. We, as a society, can address society's problems without the binary categorization.
I cannot agree more, but when it comes to conversations like this, the entire purpose is to present and talk about our struggles with each other. I don't think there's anything wrong with each side bringing up their own issues, so as long as they go, "I absolutely agree with your concerns and your issues. That is something we should all work towards addressing and solving. Moving onto the next issue, I think I'm discriminated against in family court and that needs to be addressed as well." The entire point of this is to talk about our issues in a way that doesn't compare them to minimize them. I think our issues should be brought up in a way that doesn't take away from each other's issues as the conversation naturally flows to another topic.
But one thing that stood out to me the most about your comment is the fact that plight, or suffering, of both genders shouldn't be pitted against the other in some manner of "My suffering is greater, therefore I'm superior to you," it should be more like, "I agree that both sides have their own issues and we need to come together and indiscriminately address them all.
I do think feminism needs to be rebranded though, I feel like that name has been tarnished in a way.
@@AlaReDuS I think anti-patriarchy is a better name, feminism has gained this pretty extreme rich-liberal women cult where they think that girlbossing is the end goal of feminism. This also ends up in anti-SJW compilations which further makes more MRAs thus making the world a worse place overall.
@@mdh_masalewale8681 I personally think "egalitarianism" would work best. "Anti-patriarchy" doesn't have the same ring to it but it also works. Point is, like you said, we need to move away from the name to a different one. Otherwise we're just creating
bad places online, like you said.
Destiny keep it up man. Your my favorite reaction channel.
No one gonna say anything about Destiny’s silence over the locker room banter segment?
He was silent on a lot of parts. He prolly thinks that if you are sexist and those listening to you are susceptible to sexism you should not do sexist jokes.
@@onlyeveryone2253 Yup, because he's says nigger in the locker rooms.
Destiny is literally a reaction content creator who happens to play games.
That guy "women should be midwifes"
Aslo that guy "InEqUaLiTy iN tHe fAmiLy Court"
@TheProphetMuhammad lmao I'm not talking about any of these, I'm talking about the guy on the right, with the blue shirt.
@@ksilva2848 Most women would prefer having a female midwife when giving birth. I dont think he meant women should exclusively be midwifes, he was saying men shouldnt be midwifes. The midwife is there to comfort and tend to the mother and the child during and after birth, most women prefer another women to be the one doing this. Im not here to make the "women are more caring" argument, but all the guy was saying is he understands why some fields may be skewed in one gender. How does that relate to child custody cases?
*MRA sees wage gap*
"It's because of biology"
*MRA sees family courts*
"This is oppression!"
Yeah, this is the problem with most MRAs, they complain about inequality for men, they pretend to care about these issues, but then their solution is to suport the gender roles that created that inequality in the first place.
If that one guy was so concerned about women getting less years for the same crimes, for example, then why didn't he say anything when that other guy implied that women are not as capable of making decisions as men?
At the end of the day, MRAs solution to seeing male inequality is not to try to fight it so we can all be equal, it is to re-stablish inequality for women to balance things out.
Women as a group should be midwives because of reason x.
Any courts using reason x on individual cases is doing something wrong, clearly.
How is this so hard.
This Derrick guy, gives me the urge to vomit. The other 2 guys are reasonable, have good points, so do the women, besides the "I didnt bring a list... My dude" (which would be viewed as very hostile if one of the guys ended a sentence with "my girl" btw)
True
"my dude" is a common term, its even said to women.
Here's a fun game: guess which of the MRA dudes is a Fuentes fan
HMMMMM WHO COULD IT BE
I came from Vaush's video too
@@brandonden795 love Vaush
I have a friend who's 5ft 2. He had incredibly beautiful girlfriends, never had any problem dating. And also he was still like 110lbs at 35 yo. He's an inspiration for me on having confidence. I'm 5ft5, when I tend to self-deprecate about that, I think about him.
Steve Bergeron anecdote. Useless example. Statistics show that women are happier and prefer taller men. The shorter a man is, the less likely he is to get a date or a relationship
@@lucianraphael9527 No kidding. An anecdote, you bet it is. Its my friend! :D You missed the point.The worst thing is not one's height, but the lack of confidence caused by it. Its exactly the same as Incel distorted view of reality. And I'm sure they can find a lot of stats to prove their point, too.
Steve Bergeron it’s hard to be confident when you’re very short and have been made fun of your whole life from it. It’s hard to be confident when you’re short when women are statistically less happier if they date you. Asking a short person to “just be confident” is like asking someone with a speech impediment to “just be confident”. It’s easier said than done.
Not to mention, shorter men are commonly seen as overcompensating when they are confident.
@@lucianraphael9527 You are really missing my points man. I'm sorry you feel that way. The thing is, I understand you pretty well, being short myself, having been made fun of, and having had a lot of anxiety with that. What I'm saying is: there was that guy, he was shorter than me, not particularly handsome or smart, and he DOESN'T SEEMS TO GIVE A SHIT. He simply lived his life. OF COURSE being taller he could had better outcomes overall... Or not. We'll never know. We could also been born 6ft3, blind, in a remote village of Siberia, 3 hundred years ago, you know? It could be worst. So is there something we, short people, can learn from that friend I have? I think we should! Go live your life man.
Steve Bergeron I’m not short, I’m just over 6’4. I’m saying stuff that shorter people have been saying happens in their lives.
I’m not missing your point. What you’re saying is just be confident and move on with your life, it could be worse. Which isn’t much of a cheer up to short men who get less respect from society, have unhappier relationships and even get PAID less (there’s studies on this aswell). Short men have gotten the raw end of the deal in society, them being mad about that is completely justifiable.
It's not women who get more matches on tinder, it's people being targeted by men
Gonzalo Cabrejas Moya you just posted cringe
@@wisemage0 yeah right hahaha. Well, not my intention. I'm just saying what destiny said relates to my experience dating men and women. Men just match to a broader group of people
@@yahoruz nah, I talk from personal experience
@@do_care919 anecdotes mean nothing like lmao
@@yahoruz ok
Does anyone have a video of Destiny reading the incels post?
Steven "It's entirely possible" Bonnell
... oh wait... wrong channel.
😂
Excellent comedic timing on that "You made it work"
11:44 Does anyone have a link to destiny reacting to the incels thread about owning destiny?
Pls reply to me if this i found, i wanna see too
I want this
I want this
I NEED this
Here’s a good list of prominent feminists and feminist orgs that have fought for men’s rights and made great changes that benefitted men www.mic.com/articles/88277/23-ways-feminism-has-made-the-world-a-better-place-for-men
that ceo's point could also be explained to the fact that growing up most ceo's are already in a wealthy position thus able to get more nutritious food as they grow up, (which is a big indicator of height) as in countries with better food supply tend to have taller populations
Since WW2 the nutritional intake in industrialized countries didn't vary enough to suggest that there is really a conection there. It's more about comparing countries, than sectors of one society
Destiny's editor contravened Destiny's request not to be called a 'reactor' in this debate.
Kursat has a RUclips channel with a video titled “delicious feminist tears”, I think that says enough.
Exactly.
@@onalos1271 usually misandrists, has closed communities that talk how all of them hate men and trying to filter their community as much as they can, while misogynists are trying to be big and loud. I think it's because on the internet there are many more men into politics watching this type of content and supporting it, while women doing the same thing feel outnumbered since there are fewer women interested in that and having a more hidden approach. But it's nothing but speculation from my point of view.
@@onalos1271 Because feminists vacate any platform where they're confronted with opposing opinion, go check out places like tumblr. Only neo-feminists behave childishly enough to warrant such videos to begin with. You can thank feminism for the # of misogynists btw, a number which is only going to keep growing as feminism grows louder and more belligerent.
yeah so what? he's an antifeminist mra what's this "gotcha" meant to be. Dudes done incredible work using title IX to stop sex based discrimination in education for years, I think that says a lot more to his character imo.
“If you’re 5’8 and you think height is the main thing holding you back, you probably have some other issues to think about.”
Dude knit this into a fucking blanket. I’m a 5’9 and I have never cared if a dude is a little shorter than me. The only time it’s been an issue is when they are insecure in their height, and it’s only happened to me online. This shit just doesn’t matter in real life. I’m currently dating a guy who is 5’8 and am basically obsessed with him (in a nice, healthy way lol). Short kings rise up. Get off the computer and meet real people.
its not a problem for you, but there are genuinly girls who care about height and make it a big deal thats why some short guys are insecure
Maybe the same side who declares she doesn't need a man to protect her shouldn't also be the side declaring that her physical safety is in danger every time she considers her wardrobe.
The problem with what Destiny said about boobs is that they're expensive to posture and they get in the way.
The fact that they impose a cost strongly suggests they were sexually selected for.
0:55
looks at title
back to 0:55
That game Destiny was playing looks fun, whats it called?
Stardew valley
It's a good game. Buy a copy for you and a loved one.
Just to add, the lack of contact and attention has been noticed in human babies too. The studies were done by observing babies in orphanages, overall it was noticed that babies even though they were properly taken care of physically, like food, cleanliness etc. would die in large numbers, and the difference between orphanages with a lot of deaths and the ones where most babies thrived was how much time the care takers spent just in contact with the babies, holding them, talking to them etc. I honestly forgot the name of the scientists that did the research it was done i think after ww2. Lack of contact in early life is also seen as a risk factor in developing autism spectrum disorders. Its a big part of why the behaviorist "baby box" was a failure. We are social creatures we need contact with other living beings to thrive.
I hope destiny reacts to more trailers, music videos and generally anything reactable (and there is A LOT).
the breast thing as to do with the feetus and preparation for breast feeding... from a evolution stand point. trust me im a med student
Omg no why did they let an incel on
Does anyone have a link for when destiny was on that panel at 11:44?
5:48 can anyone decipher what it is Destiny was trying to say with this passage of word vomit?
I appreciate Destiny playing Stardew Valley as an unrelated note. Love that game.
Andrew B but its related
The game is example of generally healthy society.
Destiny got destroyed in this reaction
Male vision reacts to dynamic movement more so I bet that's why we get distracted by bouncing TT's
"If there's something that makes you emotional, there's nothing wrong with it, as long as your responses to it are fine."
That's where the miscommunication is; he's conflating emotion with reaction and you're misunderstanding that.
It's semantics. From his perspective, "being emotional" is an action rather than a feeling.
When he thinks "emotional", he thinks crying, yelling, becoming violent, etcetera and those are actions.
When you think "emotional", you think sad, angry, joyous, etcetera and those are feelings.
What is constantly overlooked here is the whole "stop crying", "man/toughen up" thing is just an very poorly worded way to accomplish one of three things;
cause someone to stop reacting to something in a way that makes you feel uncomfortable, which shouldn't require explanation as to why that's fucked up...
... cause someone to repress emotions/sensations due to the stigma of weakness/ineptitude tied to the lack of self-control associated with reactive outbursts, because men were often tasked with being the protector and the odds of being able to control a situation to prevent (further) harm are lower when you can't even control yourself (and the damage emotional repression causes to mental health wasn't properly addressed for so long that, obviously, fixing the damage that ideology has caused is taking a long time)...
... and lastly, cause someone to redirect their emotional reactions into something more productive (like dressing a fresh wound efficiently rather than just crying about it on the floor/ground, throwing a tantrum that more wastes time than resolves an issue, communicating more healthily with someone about something that upsets you rather than yelling at and/or abusing them verbally or otherwise), which promotes modifying your reaction to be more productive rather than repressing it.
I don't believe the last option is wrong but I agree that the wording used to suggest it could certainly be better than "stop being a pussy" and the like. Better wording could be "I know you're in pain but let's focus that attention on fixing the problem instead so the pain goes away sooner or doesn't hurt so much". Of course, there's nothing to suggest you can't simultaneously cry and address the problem but, if crying is your conscious reaction to the problem rather than a subconscious reaction that can't healthily be redirected, then you could probably put that attention to work on something more productive.
Impostor Syndrome is a psychological disorder (which is involuntary) and a lot of people who suffer from it tend to be either hyper-competitive or eager to be validated/admired. It isn't always necessarily about "male fragility".
I disagree that women aren't expected to contribute much in terms of strong personality. The "strong independent woman" has been the feminine version of the new "man card" for the last decade, at least, and it pertains specifically to having a strong personality on top of financial independence. Couple that with the "female empowerment" trope that encourages strong personality. The push for "strong female leads" in movies and television persists today, as we can see with reactions to Captain Marvel, Wonder woman, the latest in the Star Wars franchise (just to name a few of many more) from the female viewership. The idea that the vast majority of society expects women to just shut the fuck up, chill, and sit back is greatly removed from our current reality.
Wait why are these concepts opposite?
@@onalos1271 First of all I'm very sure the stereotype existed long before gamergate, second of all there were female gamers in the gamergate movement that felt attacked as well and "threw a fit". Gamergate was a very complex event with multiple parties with very different views, the end winners were obviously yes the conservatives that used it as a proving ground for dividing people and bring them to conservative side via demonizing the left and trolls who had soo much fun pissing everyone off and causing chaos.
I would say MRA and feminist divide occurred in the 1970's when Warren Farrell was excommunicated from feminism. I would say the problem is that feminism covers a wide range of different philosophies and so does MRA, some of them like tradcons on the MRA side and TERF on the feminist side are very loud and very obtuse and hold positions that are mutually exclusive, while more egalitarian people in between could in fact get along if not for the tribalism behind labels.
@@frbe0101 Feminism and Men's Rights are not compatible.
Feminism is fighting for preferential treatment, and MRA's are fighting for rights.
And the divide started way before Warren Farrell (as understand of males issues of today).
If you get a chance, check these out.
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ruclips.net/video/VMkWdpFSXPA/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/PqEeCCuFFO8/видео.html
@@notsmine9191 they are compatible. Just dyaujf they're not is false. Feminism is about equality of the sexes. Cherry picking a bunch of man hating feminazi types doesn't make it any less true.
@@notsmine9191 Well that would depend on who you define as "feminism" and "MRA" a tradcon that advocate for women being forced into mothering roles in the home is not advocating for equal rights, and a feminist saying society needs to do something about her feeling unsafe because of her risk of murder is asking for preferential treatment (men run a higher risk of being murdered, a general fear of being murdered as a women is not statistically reality)
@@frbe0101 You know there is a difference between wanting what is desirable and works best for the majority of humans (not everyone need follow it tho) and forcing it into them are not the same right?
Wanting a wife and family isn't bad. Its what humans have generally done throughout history, and is still desirable for most of us. Just because it doesn't work for everyone doesn't mean people can't still see it as what's best (if people want it).
And as you say. Men are much more likely to be assaulted, killed, or commit suicide, and yet "women feel more unsafe".
They are more safe them men are, and we Still need to keep doing more for them....
(this isn't me saying we can't work on anything, but i care about both men and women, and not solely working on women's issue while never caring about men's issues like feminism).
44:05 this bias against men is strong argument that supports feminists (because society think that women are generally weak and less capable of harm they unfairly get less sentence than men for same crime) vaush explained this beautifully when he reacted to the same video
Ok, so at 15:30, what destiny is describing is exactly what people mean when the say "man up". It isn't that you can't have feelings, it is that you should control how you outwardly present them. It is absolutely viewed as (and sometimes is) stronger to not be outwardly emotional about stuff. From my perspective, should men be able to show their feelings: yes. Should there be a time and a place: yes. It makes sense some instances not to, but this would also apply to women as well.
lol does anyone have the link to the video where Destiny goes over the incel's posts about him?
He mentions it at about 11:40
Destiny 43:40: "Yikes, that's the PhD student speaking, too, holy shit,." --I don't get this remark at all. The holy shit should have come when the student said that there was no systematic biases against women. When he said there are no feminist organizations who've ever done advocacy for father's rights, I'm pretty sure that's true.
Destiny didn't fault the individual player, he faulted the system.
In this debate.
I like how the first example the incel guy could come up with in regards to men not showing emotions was not crying when getting a cut, instead of something that actually matters
Or happens...
Right? Like does he think people are ok with a grown woman crying over a small cut?
point applies - I think anecdotes are one of the few things that get people to want to see things differently because you have a more emotional response to them rather then just facts. If you're trying to connect and persuade someone, facts on their own unless they're shocking. When I've just off hand mentioned something that happened to a guy friend (I wouldn't just go off on one about a bunch of experiences but if I'm asked etc) I've been met with disbelief and shock even if they are aware that gender based discrimination exists. So I think even though Destiny understood and didn't find those anecdotes relevant or ? Idk I think it's still important to say as a lot of people are unaware it exists even.
*Guy gains enough confidence to go hit on a girl he thinks is cute*
Feminist: "He thinks he's entitled to a conversation with me", "we're equal"
Imagine, SquadW
Who said that? The guys is said to hit on a girl, but when the girl refuses the guy is outraged and calls her a bitch/whore/slut and the endless names for females... and that’s what we call entitlement. Can you point me to where in this video where a woman was like, “oh he hit on me, what an entitlement arsehole.”🤨?
@@starriedollie1831 She said he said "why you gotta be like that" with a crack in his voice, which makes me think she turned him down in a less-than gentle way, and then she called that emotion he was experiencing entitlement. As if entitlement is the only reason a man would feel hurt if he got rejected. That framing is wholly unempathetic, and as a result rather than serving the purpose of developing an understanding of these gender dynamics, it instead only manages to serve the purpose of reinforcing her one-sided ideology.
Jubilee is heavily slanted left.
You ask "why do they keep inviting this Derrick guy back."
Well...... because he makes the other side look extremely good.
Destiny, please. Can you link the video you are reacting to in the description??
I'd love to see Destiny on one of these. In this debate. Sorry forgot that part.
I hate they invited the incel guy and put him with men's rights activists.
So I'm new enough to destiny's channel to not really know the people he normally plays with but who's destiny playing stardew valley with? I'm curious x3
I had someone adamantly arguing one time that women have wider hips to sit small children on them....as in the selection pressure was to be able to carry small children on wide hips......some online conversations are at the same time both amusing and mind numbingly annoying.
Evolution is not random, the environment plays a huge role in selecting the genes that become more prominent at any given time so it's analogous to the relationship between art and culture, does one influence the other or both? Depends on the specific piece of art and the specific culture it's in same with genes.
When more then half of marriages are ending in divorcee, that might be something to discuss.
Destiny reacted in this debate because he loves reacting and talking about how he reacts to things for a job
Destinys editor forgot to pin the timestamps for mobile users in this debate :(((
Brave mobile memesters lost this debate
Destiny when you talked about the wage gap you got it wrong. While some numbers like the 77 cents on per dollar figure is an aggregate number the real wage gap is controlled for and is more like 92-98 cents per dollar. You yourself has brought this up a number of times and I find it odd that you would make this error here.
Why does destiny only fish next to the rock? Is there some hidden stat buff there?
Destiny I agree with most of what you stated but what do you think that men at a young age are either ignored or feared while women are treated nicer or idolized when they are young there are generalities of course? And if you do what do you think this does to young men's and women's psychi.
Destiny rebranded feminism in this debate
Honestly the incel dude seems (to me at least) have a lot of confidence and charisma, if he were to just take care of himself more, work out, and dress better he could probably do fairly well with women
Destiny watched and talked about this video in this debate
22:09 "It has been shown that a person's life span is shortened when they are not able to express their emotions," *Me: Yes! I'm emotional, so my lifespan is being increased.*
"in addition when they don't have physical touch, or when they don't have a partner to keep them company." *Me: Crap! I'm forever alone, my lifespan is decreasing.*
What video is that clip from in the outro screen? Where Destiny is yelling at Rajj? lol
Anyone else try to pause during the split second moments destiny moves into a new area and the screen goes black so that you can get one glimpse of chat that's actually readable? Lol but seriously, why not put a dark background (with like 50% opacity) behind chat?
What software is used to get pixture-in-picture like that so that he can watch videos whilst playing games?
Chrome and Firefox can both do this
@@CheeseAndRice524 How so, if you dont mind me asking?
Feminism definitely needs rebranding
To be fair, the whole family court statistic is likely related to the men's suicide rate statistic.
Yep, men are at highest risk of suicide during and briefly after going through family court.
@23:50 "It's [suicide] not like your body works less good" - I think Wes(?) Is missing something by claiming that suicide is just something "forced" with no natural/physical connection. The main reason people kill themselves is depression, and that's not just some amorphous concept, that's directly physical and the result of brain chemicals/hormones and stuff. Like, emotions are very much tied to your body and physical experience. So if a person is isolated for long enough, and they become depressed and suicidal from that, there could still very much be a physical reaction/cause there. Like, being around people (and having sex) releases stuff like dopamine/seratonin, so being deprived of that and developing depression is clearly in part a *physical*, bodily response (In his words, your body working less good). Depression/suicidal behavior can't just be written off as "emotional" and thus not "real" (in a physical sense). Mental illness doesn't mean "in your head", it means your brain (which is an organ just like any other), and is a physical reality, and of course directly influenced by your environment and interactions (or lack thereof).
Destiny mentioned something interesting about people who they studied evolutionary biology and neuroscience and I agree with him. The problem here is that how do you get people to stop believing weird and inaccurate things about evolution when throughout their lives the inaccurate ideas get confirmed? For example when I watch many pick up artist videos I hear them say a lot of either oversimplified or completely inaccurate bro science crap about evolutionary psychology and biology but when they go out there and practice their pick ups and the experience they have with women throughout their lives it seems like the bad science they believe in gets confirmed.
Pick up artist can easily edit their videos in favour. I'd also argue that even wholesome flirting has a rather low success rate. Personally I think pick up artists are worse scammers than fake self help writers and it wouldn't help promoting their booms or brand to show themselves at a lot of unsuccessful attempts.
Research in science is a very complicated process, it is very easy to confirm simplistic solutions out of annecdotes. Evolutionary science sounding anecdotes are very prone to naturalistic fallacies and confirmation bias especially because it is not a hard science like thermodynamic calculations with one right answers.
A good example is the study of wolfs categorising in alphas and betas becoming extremely popular. The author of that study retracted it and issued many public apologies to this day because he made errrors in the way he conducted the study and that alphas and betas categorisations weren't even true for wolfes. Yet many people still hold on to the alpha and beta male view based on his retracted study because this disproven annecdote tells a good story in their interest.
How does destiny does this picture in picture thing?
Someone once described asmongold as a "professional youtube video watcher" and as I'm sure we all know, he started out as a streamer.
I think Destiny is the exact same lmao. Started a streamer, and now is a "professional youtube video watcher"; hey, it doesn't even violate his "dont call it reacting" clause!
All i hear from the feminists is what the men need to do to fix womens problems. I think it would be more productive if feminists would worry as much about their role in fixing their problems and men should try to do the same.
I'm watching a youtube pop out video of destiny watching a youtube pop out video
Holy shit, that title brought me back to 2016 at breakneck speed.
So why is it OK to put people into groups by their sex and skin color and then say that group as a whole needs to do "better" when you even don't know the person you are talking to?
If you read the research the top thing that's attractive is kindness - the ability to notice and respond appropriately to others peoples needs, wants and cues about this. Unfortunately this makes for very uncatchy press releases :)
Attractive as a friend or sexually attractive?
@@dincerekin as a long term life partner. It's assumed that includes sexually, though of course that isn't actually a given.
Well kind to "her" really. It's not so much just being kind to everyone as much as it is being nice to the person your courting.
It is known that people get sick easier if they don't have a healthy emotional, and social life. So in that sense people can die earlier from lack of social health. But the quantity of effect isn't exactly known. Statistically men don't live as long, but that is attributed to a ton of more factors than just social interaction. Like men tend to do more dangerous jobs, join the military more, and are known to be inclined to take risks. So emotional, and social life is only a small part in a much larger constellation of factors.