Real Talk about World of Warcraft Losing 2.9 Million Subs in 2015 Q1
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- Опубликовано: 6 май 2015
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***** the hype was real though ...couldnt log in for like 5 days on my server
***** A legend was born.
Dawillisb That initial 3 weeks was great. It was after that when you realized there wasn't that much depth. Things weren't that customizable and the ability pruning and poor balance was painful.
***** I immediately thought about ERB's Rasputin vs. Josef Stalin
***** Lmao that line had me weak for like 5 mins.
Good shit.
The garrison single handle ruined this community
Aatrixx i refuse to do it on all 5 chars lol
i hate my horde 1 i saw the ally 1 and quit the game for over a month then came back just to keep farming mounts
Aatrixx One of the biggest reasons I quit, and I was so fucking hyped for WoD, after a year of garrosh grinding when I got the mount first run. :/
Aatrixx More like double handle =P
I said to my mate, make it one per account in mop.
treeboy83 SAME! I log in every tuesday to farm for Mimron's Head. I don't even touch my garrison missions
Very impassioned video. It seems bizarre that the community can see things so clearly and then we have the Ostrich of Blizzard with its head in the "sand".... (ass)
Blizzard cant keep it up boys
BellularGaming WoW is 10 years old, they need an mmo viagra to help them get it up again
Miyukihiro yea i think its impressive enough that wow has been around and relevant for this long. only very few games have done that
envyranner02
well,that escelated quickly
BellularGaming They should do what the comunnity wants, i mean bring back the badass characters make us fight the burning legion, the naga, kick sargeras and azsharas ass, discover what king rastakhan and the zandalari are doing. Bring back the old talent trees and the content they removed (like melee weapons for hunters, i loved that).In my opinion lets kill gul'dan finish the xpac so blizzard can start like reviving wow (sorry for my bad english)
BellularGaming Obviously they can. They have 25-30 MILLION people playing a single game at the moment. Blizzard is probably the best game developer is the world. Their issue is they've hired shitty ass dev's and community managers. Most don't remember this but partway through Wrath major changes were made to the dev team and the game obviously went down hill after that. The last good expansion was Wrath, the lore, raid, dungeons, and everything else made it by far the best expansion we've ever seen. Either these current devs need to get their shit together quick or Blizzard needs to hire new ones because WoW can't survive another garbage expansion like WoD, Mists, or Cata.
As a raider, I quit because I was simply on logging for raids then logging out, and while I had fun raiding, that's not enough to keep me subbed. I stopped with alts a few weeks earlier than that, and with garrison stuff about a week before, they were just not entertaining enough. One can only make so many alts.
Also, LFR is not the reason 2.9 million people left, they left because they got tired of only being able to play fucking Farmville outside of raids.
Reddaxe yep word by word what i was gonna say
Reddaxe That's why I quit, I log on to raid and if it's not a raid day I usually do mount runs check my garrison missions then log.
The friends I raid with is the only reason I'm still subbed but now they are starting to unsub and I see no reason in staying subbed myself
***** Yeah that was what was holding me too, as soon as my guild broke during BRF progression I was out. It was the only thing keeping me playing.
Reddaxe This is me right now. It really sucks to be honest. The only recent thing that made me say "yeah, sure i'll keep playing" is WoW tokens so I don't actually have to pay for the game at all anymore.
I have been playing WoW since vanilla and it saddens me so much to see the game that i used to love so much slowly dying. I mean, i just recently canceled my subscription and the only thing that i did in game was to log in every reset and do old content for achievements and mounts then i logged off and didnt log in until the reset the week after....its a shame, it really is.
Alexander Erixon bro every word you said is true for me, my orginal char is a tauren warrior with full t3 set with TF ect and im a mount collector wirh all the rare mounts 30+ and 200+ total and all i do is mount farm... this video has made me cancel my sub... fuk im sad i love my mounts :(
Alexander Erixon dude wow has beaten most games for longevity. sure games like runescape have a lot of views. but the simple fact is blizzard makes more off wow then most company's see in a 5 year span. and blizzard has stated they have enough ideas to keep the game going for another 6 years maybe more. so 16 years after wow launched and people are still bitching ask yourself one question. how much money has blizzard made over 16 years with the juggernaut called wow. then gasp and go holy shit. cause i can guarantee its well over the 100 billion dollar mark.
demonpride1975 Too bad they ain't using those money to innovate the game instead it's being used on other games like heartstone and overwatch
more money earned does not equal to a better game oin the future
*****
like most company's they cannot just stick with one game. to stay afloat and make more money. company's like blizzard need to offer more variety. but blizzard has made enough off of wow that they can put that money into other games. thats why those other games like overwatch, hearthstone and heroes of wow can be free.
I think you got that lobster analogy backwards. You're supposed to do the slow boil with frogs, and fast/high boil with lobsters.
Raim Surion Also on the actual subject. Its a huge shame because the situation has gotten so bad that they are literally telling players that complaining about a lack of content (even when giving suggestions in addition to it) is now a ban worthy offense. So apparently we can't give feedback on the situation anymore safely. On top of that they seem to have some strange system that is informing them that "Their numbers show that there is enough content that most players are doing." Im guessing that system is just based on how long people login, and not what they are doing (idling in the garrison).
Raim Surion i sorta agree with the whole keeping quiet about suggestions. while you may think its horrible. take into account before when there was a suggestions forum. it was bloated with useless 2 year olds bitching that they didn't have enough epics or so on so forth. really stupid shit. do you think blizzard has the time to sift through all of it to find one gem and still meet deadlines.
blizzard needs to go one step further and start banning ignorant fucks in the general discussion forum. but a lot of people say oh that's the one they do not moderate because it holds the ignorant people there.
For everyone saying that the players using WoW tokens don't count: these numbers are from before the tokens were introduced. The 7.1 million subscribers number is from March.
Lacrimosa people using tokens do count even if the data was recent , someone payed 20$ for that sub and you pay them in game gold , in fact it's a more expensive sub , and in terms of sub numbers nothing changes because for every token sold on the AH , someone had to pay 20$
KidGacy They WILL count as subs for the Q2 and onwards numbers. The tokens were not available at the time when the 7.1m subs was counted, so for these numbers they make no difference.
Lacrimosa Yes I understood , I was just pointing out thefact that if they did it again , tokens would be counted as they are in fact subs that blizz sells to people for them to exchange for gold.
I quit because of garrisons and dailies. Don't they have ANY other way of doing endgame?
tempsentemps yea because pvp and raids arent a thing anymore right?
MrRanderas try watching the video lmao, both suck
Timothy Hunter
pvp sucks juts as much as it always did and pve is better than ever
MrRanderas thing is, if they removed LFR. how many more subs would they lose? more or less than if they removed mythic tier?
MrRanderas pvp is in the worst state its ever been in, raids were fun, but got boring, extra difficulties is not good content
They say single difficulty didn't cater to casuals well enough, why was the number of subs steadily climbing so high in vanilla/BC then? One difficulty, but the players kept coming and didn't leave. They created a playerbase of sedentary gamers who refuse to leave their comfy places because they no longer have to. They just click a tab and a queue to get them what they want will appear.
drantcg The phrase people always use is "I pay the same amount as everyone else, I deserve to get to see the content that everyone else does".
I can see why people say that but what they don't realize is they are depriving themselves of something truly special. Peach Gaming had a video on this called "The Problem in the Mists" and I truly feel like he hit on some of the major points of why the game is failing compared to it's older versions. If you haven't watched that video I recommend everyone who reads this to go watch it.
That phrase kills the reward of getting that epic piece of gear you have dreamed of for so long. It kills the epic feeling of killing a badass boss that has been kicking your ass for weeks. Seeing other players with sick gear that glows and has amazing stats is something that drove me to raid in the first place. I saw mages in Tier 1 and I was nearly drooling at my keyboard. I haven't had that feeling since probably TBC. Inaccessibility is something that motivates players to become better and see that content for themselves.
Gaia Tuvan Agreed, that entitlement phrase has killed this game. This isn't running water and basic education, it's a video game. You're not entitled to the same things as everyone else, even if you put in the same amount of effort. It's a reward for performance situation, just like sports are.
drantcg You forget that back in vanilla / Bc most people hadn't played the same game for 10 years and that the competition for the playerbase has grown ALOT. Blizzards own games, LOL, HON, DOTA, CS GO are just a few games that has attracted an enormous fanbase during the few years they have been out.
I'm surprised they didn't lose more subs tbh. I mean a lot of the people who came back for WoD were people who left in MoP when the subs dropped to 6.8mil because they thought that WoD could save the game and what they got was warlords of garrisons. I thought the subs would drop below 5 million easily by this point. And I'd say with the release of the WoW token the subs will probably go up to somewhere around 8 million or so
don't forget that these are the numbers for January to march who knows how many they've lost by now
Allison Kaldwyn-Cain And like asmon said, who knows how many people of those remaining 6.8 are chinese bots just farming. A whole bunch i think.
Allison Kaldwyn-Cain i do not understand why people are still on this topic. i mean Jesus the game is 10 years old. it has nothing to do with the content. but just that wow in general is getting stale. but maybe the math needs to be done on this subject so people can understand a bit better. even if it were to go to 5 million subs. that's 5 million x 15 dollars monthly. so that's 75 million a month then times that by 15. that's 1,125,000,000 yearly on card sales alone. this is not factoring certain things such as the wow item store. selling plushies t shirts mugs limited edition weapons. the list goes on. while blizzard has lost subs. they are in no way shape or form in danger of having an issue.
now some might say that blizzard is supposed to be about the fans. when the real truth is the core of blizzard is a business. and they are doing good. most aaa company's do not even come close to the sales that blizzard does. at 10 million copies of wod sold the figure comes to 600 million. that is still millions more then most aaa company's make on a game release that took years to develop. we can sit here and debate the sub count going down blah blah blah. but the numbers do not lie.
demonpride1975 And your point is? Numbers do not lie, and the numbers are showing that right now, this game is hemorrhaging subscribers. It just experienced the biggest subscriber loss in the game's history, and probably in ANY game's history in that short period. You say it's not an issue of content then IMMEDIATELY say the game is stale(News flash, that's an issue of content). I never said I thought it would be bad at 5 million subs, I just said I thought that they would drop to 5 million, which would by no means be good for blizzard(literally one half of your players leaving the game over 3 months is a hell of a lot worse than a third leaving)
My comment had LITERALLY nothing about how much blizz makes then compared to now, it was a speculation as to what made three million people stop playing.
*****
i have been playing wow since the gates first opened in vanilla. and trust you me i am an encyclopedia of lore for wow. using the economics of the game is actually a very valid point and argument.
the problem you don't not get is because of blizzards playerbase. they have forced most mmos that try to take them on with a sub fee to go f2p. but if blizzard is making billions then i am guessing they are not in any sad state.
now as for the buying time in game. yes you can do that. but here is the thing. if you do not have time on yoru acount you have to buy time. then you have to invest the time to get the ingame coin. this may seem like no big task. except that the ingame is about 15 - 20 k gold. the economy in wow is pretty shit. and with the iteration of the ingame coin makes the ah even worse to manage now as people are putting things over priced in to get that gold.
now to address your question regarding boe ninjaing. dude ITS BEEN A PROBLEM SINCE DAY ONE. people have always ninjaed gear. this is nothing new. so that kinda makes that point a bit moot.
Hello Asmongold! Is there any chance you could do like a nostalgic video with your old screenshots? Would be nice to see some old footage ^^
Back in Vanilla I'd just started playing, but I could literally sit in Stormwind and talk to random people for hours and enjoy it. I could find someone running Stratholme and we'd talk endlessly about random crap all the way through the dungeon. You just don't get that anymore, which is a massive shame.
These days you join a dungeon and no one even bothers to talk. And while I'm on that point, group quests bring them back. Stop making every quest so god damn easy. There's no sense of achievement by doing quests anymore.
I miss things like Gurubashi Arena and world events the Scourge Invasion back in Vanilla was brilliant, the scourge invasion in Wrath was brilliant and Highlord Kruul in TBC was fucking brilliant too. I just wish we had more events and also have more of a reason to socialise with players again.
Blizzard really need to get there shit together as it's a game that's been with me for 9 years and It's a game that I love. It's sad seeing a once great game go down this path.
David Smith That is why I want server only communities. What is the point of talking to people in BG's and dungeons when I will never see those people again. What is to stop me from being a ninja/dick to those other players? I can just queue up again and play with all new people. No consequences for my actions.
***** Longer queue times would be ok, if there was more things to do in game while in queue.
David Smith
love this. Keep on keepin' on, Asmongold
Hey Nice video, I played wow for about 3 years around when burning crusade came out, I took a break 2 years ago to concentrate on uni with the full intention of coming back to the game. Now that my course is nearly over, it seems that a lot of the things that I loved about this game have changed I'm not sure if its worth coming back to.
Great video as always. Is there a reason why you dont put your twitter in your description? Just curious since I've only found out about it today.
Hey asmon, are you playing wow to keep your channel running? meaning you're not actually playing for fun any more?
I got bored of raiding and started to play D3 again you should play it again
Levinceful That's what I did.
Levinceful Same.
Levinceful Thats exactly what i did too >.>
Levinceful wow, looks like we all had the same idea
Levinceful I got bored of raiding so I decided to move to a grindy-as-fuck dungeon crawler to mindlessly farm for upgrades and paragon levels. Not saying WoW isn't boring, but god damn how is D3 a solution
Hey, Asmongold. I just found your channel recently, I like your stuff! I wanted to say that I agree with a lot of what you said and I am curious if you'd entertain an idea I had while watching this vid. Do you think you could make a video comparing the differences between WoD and Vanilla/other expacs? It really hit home when you said "You can't play one character in WoD, and play hardcore with one character. There is really no single main character experience." And I agree, very much. I just think it would be very cool to see the way the game has changed over time, in a nice rage free comparison video.
And how would you feel about an expansion without a level cap increase?
god I hope this video gets a million views. Deserves it.
time traveller: yes
One thing - it its Runescape 2007 then fuck it, more power to em. That game was the shit.
JUST LIKE WOW WAS BACK THEN :3 I'd still pay an extra sub for a Wrath server
BellularGaming I'll be playing on a BC server whenever I quit retail. I still never got to do those raids at current content.
Hey Asmondolg, unrelated question, but I see youre TG fury. When does that overtake SMF dps?
Hey Asmongold, this video was interesting and made me think about the game more than I normally would. I started to think about what separates the other 'really good' expansions compared to this one. Do you think you could do a video regardless of length that describes all the points that solely show what you want to see that would improve the existing expn or make the next expn twice as good. Just an idea, cheers.
I wish they would get rid of garrisons, and make the game more difficult. Maybe get rid of LFR. Garrisons make the game so tedious, I don't want even log in just because of the garrisons.
least we got a selfie cam
I have played since vanilla release and I totally agree with a lot of the stuff you said. Whenever I log on, I just come on to do my garrison stuff and that's it. I'm tired of doing the same stuff, day after day! Now, if I want to buy game time via AH, it's going to require me to do more grinding. It's getting old. I really hope that things improve soon because I keep seeing people inactive in my guild because the game's current state.
Tbh this is my first time watching you and I subbed right after the video finished. You hit the nail right on the head with this! Let's hope they're working on the next expac and that's why everythings so shitty. I don't think blizzard even likes WoD.
If they want to bring back World of Warcraft to the golden age, they should look at Burning Crusade, it really was the best expansion and the peak of the game in my opinion. Sadly, this will not happen due to the community.
The biggest factor of why the game is trash now, theres literally no reason to play it. You can just buy anything you want off the Black Market that would normally be given to a player that just completed an incredibly difficult task or set of achievements. Want something ? Buy it off the Black Market, its really as simply as that. Get the best raid mounts, gear etc, all on the Black Market.
The majority of the community doesnt cares about lore anymore, they dont care about story telling, they dont care for complexity, they dont care about creating friends or experiencing epic moments together with one another. All the community cares about now is looking cool, getting items without working for them.
I have no beef with casual players, this isnt an argument about elite vs. casual. This is about the community blatantly killing the game instead of experiencing it in all its greatness, you can tell just how bad the game has gotten since Wrath of The Lich King.
Tin Foil Hat Completely agree. Games are killed (*mostly*) by the players, not the devs.
Tin Foil Hat I agree, Warcraft III was WoW's backbone and once the main storylines from it were tied up with BC and WotLK, WoW started to feel pretty weak. At this point, I think it would do Blizz a lot of good to work hard and release a new Warcraft game, introduce some new characters and plot elements, and create a fresh environment for a new era of WoW.
Tin Foil Hat Think about this, when Burning Crusade launched, there was Karazhan, SSC, Magtheridon's Lair, Gruul's Lair, Tempest Keep, that you basically had to do in order before the first patch of Black Temple came out. That's THREE TIERS of raiding open from the time the game came out, to the first major patch.
Tin Foil Hat I agree that BC was the pinnacle of WoW. You can argue that the raid attunements were a negative but I truly feel like everything else in that expansion was perfect to a T. I didn't even get to do most of TK and SSC but I had so much fun that expansion.
The Heroic dungeons, the raids, the attunements, Netherwing dailies, the Sunwell island and everything in-between was great. You still had server only dungeons, server only BG's etc and the leveling process was still something that didn't take 2 seconds with no difficulty or thought process.
Multiple difficulties of the same raid doesn't inspire me. Seeing people with badass gear and hearing about epic raids and bosses inspires me. Doing the same raid as a Mythic raider on a lower difficulty isn't inspiration. All I care about nowadays is seeing the content once and losing all interest in the raid outside of helping out my guildies.
***** Agree with the storylines and major lore characters are a huge influence. WoD has really cool lore characters but when it is all an alternate timeline it really diminishes the true epicness of what you are apart of. Who cares if we kill Gul'Dan or Archimonde? It's an alternate timeline and they didn't really exists LOLOLOLOLOL.
I started playing WoW because of how amazing the WC3 story was and seeing characters like Arthas, Illidan, Kael'thas and Lady Vashj. There are great characters in WoD that could be more effective if this wasn't an alternate timeline.
I am waiting anxiously for the Azshara expansion that I have wanted for so long. That is something that could truly get me invested.
4:00 I think you mean 150,000; 150 apexis would be reasonable.
Hey i don't know if you answer these sorta questions on here :
But lets say you were given complete and utter creative control of WoW for the next expansion, what decisions would you implement to try and curb this decline in subs or even increase it
My boy Asmongold, I would like to know what the amount of actual monthly players are vs. the amount of monthly subscribers. With WOW token do players still count as "subscribers"?
Lose 3 million monthly subscribers but 2 million of them are actually still playing with wow token?
I think if asmongold were to just take over blizzards wow team. We would go back up to 10 million subs.
Well said man! 100% with this, I really hope blizzard will get it right next xpac... Or hope 6.2 is good, been subbed for 10 years and I think I'm about to call it quits. This xpac is just so bad it's crazy. All I do is sit in my garrison and raid... I really don't do much else, sure I do my mount runs every week and I also run around the world here and there to go see if there is something to do but 99% of the time it's garrisoncraft and it's awful.
Not sure what to say at this point, I've played WoW for a very long time, it's been apart of my life and it's helped me in ways that will be with me for life(like pulling me out of my antisocial bubble) but it's now starting to pull me back into that bubble as crazy as that sounds... I used to know a lot of people on my realm, now I only know people I have on real ID and I never really group with someone that's not on real ID or on my realm because the group finder is the only way to find a group for anything. I don't want these things to go away, but they need to figure out a way to make realms work together more! Group 5mans, world bosses, world pvp that isn't crazy dumb... When I attack someone they should be able to use some crazy ass toy that makes them fly into the sky a million miles up and then fly away and you never be able to ketchup with them. Like, what? That's not fun at all.
Some people(2) tried to kill me, when I turned the tables on them they just went flying in the sky from some dumb ass toy and were gone. Like what.... I don't even understand that. This game has become to weird it's insane.
I'm just ranting at this point...
Guru out.
Gurushockin This feather of aviana (the item that made people fly) really sucks and ruined the wpvp.
***** I only keep my sub so that I can log on and raid. That's it at this point, in case you missed that in my wall of text. Not everyone unsubs.
***** Well, I have in the past and it's a possibility for the near future. But I just got back together with some friends from bc/wotlk/cata to make a new guild so for now it's okay I suppose. We'll have to see how long next patch last, if we don't get a xpac announcement soonish then I might have to call it quits for this xpac. I don't think I want to play World of Garrisoncraft for another year
Gurushockin and that is why they don't give a shit about your opinion. why because a sub fee is not based on how much time you log in for, its based on 1 flat fee. so weather you log in for 10 hours a day or 5 hours or 2 hours for raiding. tada they don't give a shit. you can bitch and moan and gripe. but in the end there will always be people willing to pay to keep allowing blizzard to make their own decisions and not give a rat's ass about your opinion.
demonpride1975 Wow sound like someone struck your nerve...
Wait did i understand that right? I watched it 2 times allready and i am still not quite sure. Did they confirm that karabor and whatever the other city is kalled will be capitals now??
That is a touching video dude... gratz... I agree with you and IMO, i think they should make secodnary realms with older content (vanilla, TBC, WTOLK,CATA,MOP (for people who like their thing)
WoW has gone down hill in my eyes every sense LFR was introduced into the game and I think everything bad strings from that introduction. I know I personally stopped raiding due to there being no sanctification of killing the end boss knowing some idiot could go into LFR and do it too :'( Remove LFR and make the game hard again please blizzard gg...
old school runescape is the fucking shit right now - not kidding
I haven't played WoW for a while now and while I hear and agree with much of what you say, fundamentally where does WoW go from here? After so may expansions what should they do next? I don't know. I remember when I started playing I thought it was epic, like nothing else!! Now eh
well said, i agree with you! thanks for all your videos, me and my son enjoy watching them and when we search for "special" help like soloing/achievments and what not we almost always find a good video from you regarding this. thanks again, and we all wish for a better wow-experience in the nearest future. /martin and theodor from sweden
I said it day 1 of the xpac. There is no flying in Draenor because it is half the size without tanaan of any continent in the game. Flying would only show that. You ever avianna's feather in the oldworld. You aren't getting anywhere with that shit. In draenor you can cross half the continent with it.
It is so small because it is designed to have no flying
wtf does that even mean.
CloudStrife893 What the fuck? Draenor is almost the same size as Outland, if not bigger. What the fuck are you talking about? rofl
recheck your stats or go play the game and you will see. Anyone who has played for any period of time can see how tiny draenor is. Oceans don't count as size of the continent
dude no shit you will get to ratchet from hyjal. Hyjal is really high up in the air So you think they made the continent smaller so it would take us less time to run?? lol You guys will defend anything shit blizzard puts out. Even when it lost 3 million subs. Draenor isn't even close to the size of other continents without tanaan and you're completely idiotic if you think otherwise. Done talking to noobs.
Maybe they'll implement legacy servers haha...Yeah I know it's probably a long shot, but a guy can dream right?
Great video m8, tears came up... I really hope blizz will check it out.
Didn't something get published about the people using Tokens not counting in the subscription count?
WoW is dying for almost a decade now.. so is EVE online and literally every mmo around. MMO-players are exaggerating everything that happens in their game and nothing happens.. literally nothing.
Shari K. i agree with this comment i mean people just dont like mmo games any more
Shari K. It's season of the Moba's now MMOs have had their time despite there being several out they're all kinda the same. Sad to see wow go so casual but MMO's are gonna die a horrible death pretty soon :D
Thomas Matthews You don't get it, do you? MMO's wont die. Just because one thing is big at the moment doesn't mean everything else dies around it. It's complete and utter bullshit. 6-7 Years ago, when WoT (World of Tanks) were the big thing, everyone said it would kill Eve or WoW.. It didn't.
Shari K. I play both>WOW and WOT. :D
And that is perfect couple,WOW PvE farming,boredom killer,and WOT bit PvP farming.
WOW has something that no other game has>soul and huge lore.
IMO it would be best for WOW to Blizz make it all from begining,with story a bit diferent ofc,but with completly new designs as we can see in Heroes of Storm + they can avoid all mistakes they made with curent WOW.
That would be a blast.
Shari K. lol never understood the whole EVE is dying thing, or so many people thinking something is gona kill it. Eve is the only mmo that has remained stable and slowly been growing over the years. Makes you wounder what people have against it. Its also funny how people make a big deal over WOW losing subs as if its even a big deal. WOW would be fine with only 1mil subs, hell EVE online only has 500k+ and half the community hasn't payed for the game in years. And yet, EVEs Devs put a lot more work in effort into it then the Wow devs.
Lol runescape, I'm playing that right now lol, runescape > wow as if..
Backstab9499 its funny because its true
Backstab9499 I might wanna check out that game, maybe even 2007 version later, heard its better, wow for me is either a daily grind or pvp grind(which btw is without any reward since its nearly impossible getting gladiator rank atm, broken ladder 07:11 is totally true btw)
basically WoW being with 40 keybinds for each class (they removed a lot so might be even less) is a casuals game now, do dailys,
pve is a brickwall against casuals (not sure tho, but the jump from leveling to pve is harsh for newbies, especially with the 90 boosts)
pvp is offputting when a warrior can kill you within 5 seconds if you dont have gear
runescape you lose all your items when you die in pvp, i think its also more pvp oriented game, even tho you have limited amount of skills or keybinds definitely gonna check it out
Crassie ccg 40 keybinds? I wish. I feel like theyre trying to make this game playable with a fucking controller now.
Crassie ccg runescape isn't a more pvp orientated game. play oldschool and check out all the content, theres tonnes to do.
Backstab9499 It's beyond my mind how people can torture themselves with that cancer.
could the loss of subs also be caused due to being able to bye subs with gold?
I quit WoW because of RS. Tbh, it's a MUCH better game than what WoW is currently.
Heh. Haha. HahahaHAHAHAHAHAHA. RS HE SAYS. BETTER GAME HE SAYS HAHAHA
ThatFeedingCarry It is, You are able to at least DO something instead of sitting on your ass and twiddling your thumbs wondering when the next que will pop. Plus the fact it has more views in Twitch then WoW proves that alot of people find it to be much more interesting and fun. Sooo.....yeah....It is better at this point.
ThatFeedingCarry i played RS for like 8-9 years, boy is that game addicting, it may not be as awesome looking, but boy does it have a lot to do.
Seppuku Gaming Ok Fredrik ;)
Thomas Myhre Ok thomas. ;)
Asmongold: to this date there has been ZERO proof that LFR has any effect on subs,.,so either be honest and state this fact or shut up and leave LFR alone. Sick of your anti LFR agenda
Sonnabend00 There's no proof that it hasn't either, I'm not going to leave LFR alone until it's either removed or changed from a skinner-box life support system for apathetic players into something worthwhile and community driven.
Asmongold "There's no proof that it hasn't either" is a total cop out. I cant prove there arent fairies at the bottom of the garden but only a fool goes looking for them. "'m not going to leave LFR alone until it's either removed"..thank you for confirming that you do indeed have an agenda and that it is the sole basis of your rants. Thank you for proving that you only have problems and not solutions. I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings but there is zero chance of LFR ever being removed..btw one of the biggest issues of WOD is that too much WAS removed. LFR stays. The end.
Sonnabend00 Prove to me conclusively that lFR has any relation to subs...but I know you cant. You make claims but cant back them up. You blame LFR but have no facts to substantiate that stance. Until you do what you have is whats called "an opinion"..which is not fact.
"into something worthwhile and community driven...."..okay lets hear it. How? How wouldf you do this? What methods would you use? Whats your plan? What would accomplish this?" Community driven" ..by what means? By what community? How would the community "drive" this? Copme on Asmon lets hear it...you propose a problem now lets hear the solution?
Sonnabend00 I didn't say LFR was the sole reason that subs dropped, that's ridiculous, it's not even the main reason, I said it was a factor.
Even though it seems obvious you don't want an answer, I'll give it to you anyway: I'd like to see entry-level raiding go back to how it was in WotLK, where you could pretty much go into Naxx 10 right out of heroics and do just fine. Then move up into ToC, and go on from there. Casual players are the backbone of this game and it would be silly to think overwise, I want to give those casual players a means and venue to interact with each other.
I'm not against casual players and I think entry-level raiding is one of the most important parts of the game which is why it's so important that it provides a rewarding and social experience for the player which I believe LFR in it's current form does not.
Really good realktalk.
This has probably been asked before to you but considering the recent massive drop, do you think blizzard launch retro servers? Purely for the fact that they lack all of the more ridiculous additions to the game and in part due to the vocal minority who claim they would play them.
You hit this spot on. I completely agree. I'm thrilled you covered this, and man, it's so satisfying seeing all the thumbs up vs dislikes. We feel you..We feel each other.
Just some feedback on the video... Take the time to breathe, just to cut the sentences and make it easier to listen to.
I am going to resub on WoW when 6.2 comes out. If it doesn't make some really good changes I will just wait for the next expansion. I canceled my subscription a few days ago because like you said, I am just "checking my e-mails" at this point.
dungeon wise tbc had 16 at the end, wotlk had 16 at the end of the xpac. cata had 14 mists had 9 with scenarios. currently wod has 8 with no scenarios. it seems that blizz has given up on wod
The idea you talked about, erasing the WoD timeline, that might actually work to their advantage. When the timeline closes off, at the temporal epicenter could remain a wormhole of sorts that leads to the next chapter in WoW lore. Kinda like what they did with Darkseid in Smallville season 10, only instead of a wormhole in space, it's a wormhole in time, it would still be visible in space as space and time are two facets of the same construct, that is if einsteinium physics apply to WoW.
Honestly at this point I mostly just log in to do my garrison missions. You can make enough gold to buy a token each month just doing garrison missions, so I just keep doing that and not much else. I've been wondering if it's even worth the hard drive space anymore. Even though I'm "playing" for free, I feel like I'm hardly even *playing*.
Asmongold sadly the lull that we see at the end of every expansion started about 2 months into this.
Theroy: MMOs have average life of family dog
Resubing for WOD and playing for a few months...reminded me someone leaving for college, coming home years later and expecting the dog you had since childhood to keep up and play with energy and life. You take a look downed to see a out of breathe, old, withered, replica of a friend know years ago. You feel sorry for it....knowing its life spand is coming to a slow and debilitating end.
That's so depressing lol
Isn't it true that WoW token subscribers weren't considered in the Q1 earnings?
I really don't like how they removed ten man mythic. My guild was ten man in MoP then going and finding ten more people was such a struggle and we broke up because of it. That ten man was so close and it was started from the ground up in MoP only to fall apart because Blizzard didn't want it anymore. It's things like this that don't make any sense to me, why take something away that soo many people played and enjoyed.
It would be cool if you talked about the role of new classes and races in the creation of new expansions, and how the lack of them might have affected WoD
I completely agree with this video. Also anyone have an idea what UI that is? It is pretty awesome
After trying out WoW again after a 5 year break, I was kind of shocked at changes.
I'm with you when it comes to lack of helm, chest, and other enchants. I went looking for some enchants for my new gear, and I don't even remember seeing spellthread for pants when I got back from my break. Or at least it wasn't level 100. Only level 85 and you couldn't use it on items over ilvl 600, which my stuff is currently 700. Or any items with gem sockets on them. WoW seems pretty watered down compared to when I quit in 2010.
I never got the logic in this expansion. They removed flying so that we would encounter other players more, yet give us garrisons where we just sit around all day alone, because there's just not much to do outside of the garrison. I met far more people in Pandaria than I do now. I nearly quit as well, but decided to stay because I still love raiding. My guild is currently struggling to get a working raid team though, as more and more of our members take a hiatus from the game (indefinitely). I wonder if we will even have a raid team by the time 6.2 drops :(
my subscription runs out tomorrow... but it should have been months ago really. they only thing i've done is standing in my garrison and getting mats. got bored of that too after a month or so. The guilds I have joined fell apart pretty much a couple of weeks after they were created. It sucks. so many good memories =/
And they just announced a cash shop mount, that they actually put time into unlike the in game mounts. 1 day after announcing 25% sub loss, they announce a cash shop mount. It honestly makes me sad because I loved this game, but I don't know that its for me anymore.
The only reason I'm still playing is I sometimes get to chat with my guildies. And I know that they are the same. The social aspect is the only thing keeping us there.
Just want to point out the reskined fel wolf price is a placeholder, a Blizz dev confirmed that
Some good thoughts there, definately agree on a lot of stuff if not most of it. Expansion feels kinda rushed and incomplete , though highmaul and BRF are definately pretty good raids regarding some interesting and fun boss mechanics like maidens or thogar.But I don't like the way the game is shifting towards overall.
It really starts looking like blizzard doesn't give a shit at some point I think.
Dude....You are awesome. Thank you for making this
i find myself wondering how i even used to make friends on wow, i used to have large group of friends and we'd hang out in durotar dueling and playing bgs having a laugh and now slowly everyones quit and now i use the group finder to cap 2s but no one sticks around after cap. no sense of community anymore. I used to harass stormwind all the time and my horde guild got really well known by the alliance on my server back in cataclysm, and a few alliance guys got well known by fighting back. now its just a random merge of a ton of people who wont even be from your server attacking durotar all the time. no one knows anyone. the game is just a shadow of what it was.
Things like losing Karabor and bladespire really ruined it for me. It's like from Blizzcon 2013 everything they announced then was so great, then they just cut away so much and now all I do is log in to do follower missions occasionally.
Great video though, I really hope Blizzard takes a hard look at their design philosophy and can at least admit they've made a bunch of mistakes.
Just waiting for my subscription to end. Was leveling low level characters just to get a feel of the old game. I really hope they give us some sort of vanilla server.
The biggest issues was the total destruction of the world pvp zone.
Wow this video is spot on. I've been playing since vanilla and I'm just about done. What's sad is I (and others) predicted a lot of these problems in beta but we were just told we were being negative.
My first playthrough of the draenor questline was some of the most fun ive had in a videogame, and ive been playing wow since vanilla. It was amazing and so much fun. I wish the raids felt like the questline, where you and your team get closer and closer to taking down the big bad ass of the citadel or whatever the hell the raid is at the time. Obviously this would get boring a tedious after a while, but im just spitballing here.
Where the fuck was Karabor at in WoD? I don't remember it being in the game.
Great video man.
I can't tell you how much i agree on what you said and i am sad to be one of the subscriber losses but i also hope it will be a Wake up call, but so far 6.2 Doesn't even seems enough interesting for me during the time on only PTR i still decided to wait longer.
Anyway, good video! subscribed to your channel!
My paladin has the tier 17M warrior transmog, and people can't see how much better I am than they are if they are sitting in their garrison. We don't need Karabor and that other city, we need one city where everyone can see my tmog. On top of that, on the armory my armor looks like it's tmogged to the normal version of the t17 warrior, what kind of a slap in the face is that?
They need to have more in-game GM's like moderators for battle grounds, dungeons and Trade chat, if they see some one breaking the rules they could warn them, if they are non responsive they would get a second warning as a temp ban, then perma ban if it goes on.
i got banned for a day yesterday cause i refused to give a mage doing 12k dps on heroic gruul any loot lol
funny thing is i can ninja loot anything i want and never get in trouble for it just when im acting like a leader do i get in trouble
I WAS WAITING FOR YOUR VID SINCE YESTERDAY OMG!!!
hahah
Sitting my garrison whilst waiting for raid time is all I did. Even then, raiding the same bosses over and over, week after week gets hella fucking boring. Theres a reason why RS has more viewers on twitch, its a better game.
***** 10x more players that log on to raid once twice a week, yeah.
***** as of right now all I can say to this is...least Jagex seems to care more about their small player base, to keep them around and get more than Blizzard is to keeping their large player base.
***** You're just upset that a game made in 2007 is pulling more viewers than wow
***** old school runesacpe is from 2007. Why would you care? Not sure, you seem pretty upset about something tho
the game is litterally called "07 runesape" smh
I think its more garrison than LFR, because LFR has been in there over two years and this hasnt happened before.
I think its the change from LFR from casual raiding to tourist mode..
Sucky severs are another big big issue.
I haven't played WoW in years and i thought I'd watch some videos about it. At first i thought this was just a pure rant but I gotta say it was a great video. Probably gonna hold off on coming back for a little.
It saddens me...I've met some of the coolest people online and later in person all the way through TBC and part of Wrath expansions. After that, those friends left and it was harder to even hold a decent conversation because of cross realms and dungeon finders. My account is still active but I stopped playing 4 weeks into WoD expansion. I hate to say goodbye to WoW so I'll log in for a minute and then log right back out and play Heroes of the Storm BETA lol.
I think that they are making the console version of WoW and that is where all of the development resources are being pulled to, or hampered by. Might be a separate team, but I'm sure the PC team gets dragged into meetings with the console team. Why do I think this? Ability pruning and the graphics change.
Professions and the economy were my favourite parts of the game. I also like a somewhat meaningful levelling experience. That's had its heart torn out with this joke of an expansion. I've been playing since Feb 2005 -- my account has never lapsed. I've not logged on since early Feb and in the month before that I was pretty much just "checking my follower email" every day. You're right -- it sucks.
I always have fun with this game. There is still so much for me to do / want to do.
Still need to get into heroic raids and stuffs
Thank you Asmongold you have really opened my eyes to something i didnt want to come true this game has taken a dive and now i dont have fun playing i miss raiding with my friends and those good old times and there is none of that anymore. it is time they loose one more =[
Skipping capitals for things like Ashram and Garrisons may have been the biggest mistake. It's not really an MMO if I can do everything from my Garrison and only go to the "Hub" to get my damn tokens for the week.
Damn, it's almost like most of the playerbase doesn't mythic raid
Chance Turner What's the point, though? It's the same shit with a "harder" mechanic... If you can call gear requirement a hard mechanic.
Chance Turner Mythic is harder, there is no denying that. But really, what is my motivation to do it? I can do Heroic instead. All I get out of Mythic is a few different mechanics and a different color gear with higher item level. After doing an entire raid on one difficulty I can't be fucking bothered to run it again on another. Wipe over and over on the same bosses I just wiped on for weeks on a different difficulty. No thanks.
Gaia Tuvan My sarcasm went over everyones head, I agree with all of you, I stopped raiding in mid Cata and I feel like theres no content in WoD for me, I tried to get into normal HM at the start but every group fell apart after one wipe on Brackenspore and now that LFR gives ugly as fuck gear I don't even bother with that for transmog like I did with moP raids
Dexter Curry Nah, stopped raiding in Cata because after what, 7 years? I got over needing to log in at a certain time and blah blah blah. LFR was fine for me all through MoP if I liked the appearance of the sets for certain classes I'd farm it out, now it offers nothing for me, I have 11 characters at roughly 665+ each just from doing about 1 minute of garrison work daily
Dexter Curry Direct me to these guilds. I'll probably have to cross realm, though.
I finally decided to flee to FFXIV. The makers of this mmo have something Blizzard lost a long time ago... Passion
That Warcraft Nerd i remember seeing it a few years ago. is it good? and how exactly is it better than wow? im downloading the trial version because i keep reading about it on wow videos.
Plusy yeah ive heard good things about it. I won't play it personally, i cant stand korean MMORPGS
***** Its japanese.
DJ Index but its a korean MMORPG
Plusy I recently started getting into it, Despite the fact they've dumbed down a lot of the pre end game content it's still really good and getting through to the final 8 man content takes a lot of dedication and time.
Plus an expansion is coming out in a few weeks, adds new classes n stuff. Which might be why they're tuning down the current content.
The only problem I have the FF right now is the AWFUL loot system, other than that it's pretty good.
In essence, even the whole world of Draenor was a "revamped" model of Outland. I know it´s the same place and they couldn´t change that much, but they should have made a lot more other content than in previous expansions since the new zones were not completely new.
Come play on Nostalrius, a solid vanilla server. It's about as blizzlike as it's gonna get. 6k+ players atm, with plans in the future to upgrade to TBC, analogous to the actual retail experience.
Come and relive how WoW should be.
Ive played WoW since beta test and stopped playing after reaching endgame in cata, i have to say its really sad that WoW as we used to know it have reached a point in its career where its just down hill... Every WoW veteran knows what im talking about.. If WoW ever had a "soul", its gone now and its so gone its impossible to return it back.
Great video and you make some valid points. Can just hope blizzard listens, I quit about 4 months ago and would love to come back if the game is fixed
As someone who has a lot going on in their life yet, I love to raid heroic/mythic. I love the fact that I don't have to spend hours on my one single toon in order to make him/her raid ready. I have several lvl 100s and now because of garrisons and minimal dailies I have 4 100s over 680 item lvl and two that I am preparing for raiding. I love to play different classes and experience a fight in different roles. Without garrisons and minimal dailies I do not think this would be possible. HM and BRF both still provided the challenge I look for so when I get the AOTC feats I feel accomplished. I think the fact that garrisons have made players more self sufficient and able to not sacrifice school/work time to maintain raid ready toons is a great thing
I totally agree with everything! I just wish they somehow find a way to recapture that amazing feel we got in wrath....the raids might close to that but there is a serious lack in the social environment tbh small as it may seem I kind of missing chilling in dalaran with people...garrisons suck solo badly
I've never really played WoW and probably never will but I really like to listen to this guy talk, nice videos dude!
Everything you said was true, even myself as a current subscriber everyday since the past 2 months i think to just stop Playing the game and quit, but what keeps me going is my guild that i raid with, thats the only reason i keep myself hanged with the game, i literally dont do anything else but log on , raid, have fun in guild chat and ts little bit, log off and wait for the next day raid, thats pretty much it cuz i feel like there is nothing a lot to do in this game and just boring.
I joined wow during early wrath, I've never been a hardcore raider, but I enjoy a raiding atmosphere. With raid difficulties being so divided, someone like me who wants to do more than LFR raids, but doesn't have the time to dedicate to mythic, or in somecases heroic raids. Simply put, there is no demand for normal mode raiding.
I know Im not going to do mythic any time soon, but because people are spread across 3 difficulties not including LFR, many guilds are struggling to find 20 people for a mythic team.