Tierlist of Tier 6 Units in HoMM3: HotA
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- In this video I present my opinion of all Tier 6 units in Heroes of Might and Magic 3: Horn of the Abyss by making a tierlist. What are the best units and what are trash? The units are not measured only based on their fighting capabilities but also on how easy it is to get them, how well you can rely on them, and so on. The series "How Good Is" affects the results significantly. Link to this series below:
• How Good Is?
I hope you enjoy the video :)
If you are a fan of Heroes 3 or play the game, check this video out. You learn new things about Tier 6 units and can participate in discussion related to it.
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Disagreed on a few things.
Efreet Sultans and Magic Elementals are probably a tier below what you placed them. They are much more squishy and easier to kill than the rest of S tier.
I'd put Naga Queens in S tier, however, fixed damage of 30 is the highest at lvl 6 and is just too good to pass up. Speed is only 7, but they are far from the slowest. Highest A tier, or lowest S tier, I would say. Dread Knights, while I agree that they belong in S tier, have a high damage range, from 15-30 and being undead, you can't affect that. They are also more RNG reliant than Naga Queens with fixed damage and no retaliation.
Nix Warriors are definitely high A tier at the least. Those who have any multiplayer experience in HotA should know how hard they are to kill. Psychic elementals are actually underrated, because you can actually buff them with magic and they still do nearly as much damage as their upgraded counterpart.
And I also would put Wyverns a tier above, simply because of the Serpent Fly nests on the bigger maps and you can have a huge stack of them in no time. In fact, of all the tier 6 creatures, Wyverns are the fastest ones to multiply in your army.
Thanks for the comment. Good points. And I have to admit that I completely forgot about the Serpernt Fly nests. That would certainly improve the rating :)
Proposal -> I'd love to see range unit duels championship in cost/value factor :)
Thanks for the suggestion. I will add that to To-DO list :)
Totally agree! Dread Knights and Efreeti Sultans rule! 😈
Thanks for the comment. :) Yea, they did rather well in the How Good Is tests.
But walking lizards destroying them without a chance with atleast some hero stats.
I have only singleplayer experience. That being said I think cost should be factored in as well as actual combat usage. Dread knights obviously are strong, but they cannot be buffed much while champions with some extra speed and a haste will be able to hit the hardest out of all units (9 base speed, let's assume another +5 from expert haste, it can hit up to 70% increased dmg) while being only 1200 gold, and freely upgradable in stables and not being RNG reliant. I often find more value to a high morale speed boosted champion zig-zagging through the field hitting like a truck, often twice a round, than a strong but rng reliant dreadknight.
I also think bounty hunters are slept on. They are the second strongest ranged units of the game after titans, and for the price of a titan you could buy ~5 of them which are stronger than 1 titan in a ranged fight. In combat you can put them in corner and block melee access to them, ranged units are shot preemptively, so only magic can really get them while they can dish out good damage (they have highest base attack skill tied with dreadknights, and archery + archery items can give more dmg boost than offense [though overall due to having more melee units offense is still better in general ofc]). Wouldn't put above B tier in any case, but at least a top C tier would be justified imho. They also have higher speed than any unupgraded tier 6 except for efreet which while is nothing miraculous they only contested by cyclops kings, and bested by enchanters, sharpshooters and titans in the ranged department for first strikes
Thanks for the comment. Good points. Cost as well as the the cost of construction chain were taken into account. Imo the game has two main constraints: weekly growth and cost. And it depends which affects things more. :)
People went wild about Efreet Sultan and Naga Queen evaluation of yours. I am on your side on this.
Yes, the Efreet Sultan's HP is lower, but with that fire shield, their motto could be: "You may bury me, but rest assured, there will be nothing left of you." If you try to avoid the fire shield by using archers, keep in mind they have a flying speed of 13, they may attack you even at first round. Not to mention, by Efreet Sultan you got first round to magic, hero moves much faster, with avg tier6 unit price; 1100 gold. Oh, immunity to fire magic is alone makes the S tier, casting armegeddon and you get the only survivor is Efreet Sultan. Which makes sense also Magic elemental is in S tier, i would put lower end due to weaker on HP, stats and no defence system like Efreet Sultan, plus cost more.
As for the Naga Queen, I consider it a money trap, you are purchasing the most expensive tier6 unit in game, and what you get is creeping on ground manages to attack at end of the battle. They are pretty much useless at sieges, if you need to penetrate castle, it takes 2 rounds to making them to the wall, crazy. Their HP is average, stats and nearly same with Efreet Sultan, only perk no retaliations. But, even in tier2, Harpy Hag has no ret. returns back and speed of 9, with some defence blockade can take out Naga Queen without taking any loss. And it cost 1600gold, why cant buy even cheaper unit like cheapest tier7 unit Behemoth with 1500gold, %50 more HP better stats creature, or Death Knight with 1500gold better in every aspects of it. War Unicorn except damage they are better at stats, blinding creatures which even can alter the outcome of a battle, with the almost half of Naga Queen price. Sorry but low A, is Naga Queen deserves.
Only disagreement with the video; War Unicorns should be infront of the Champion. I think Champions perk jousting is a bit overrated, if you go 1v1 with any creature at first round they will benefit from it but later even you circle the enemy when you attack, you are not gaining much of bonus damage. On the other hand, War Unicorns have the ability to blind opponents, which essentially gives you a free shot in a 1v1 scenario. Even if it’s not a direct 1v1, it’s almost as if the opponent has one less creature due to the blindness. While the Champion has far better stats, the same speed, and slightly lower HP, considering everything I’ve mentioned, they seem evenly matched in terms of capabilities. But, Champion is 1200 gold, War Unicorn 950 gold; %21 percent is cheaper, which makes War Unicorn a better creature at total.
Thanks for the detailed comment. Very good points :)
Both wyverns should be bottom of S tier (on Impossible):
1. The only T6 you can easily get in week 1/2 and once you have them early game becomes very ez
2. Cheap af
3. Serpent Fly creature bank gives you more
4. Fast speed 11
5. And remember that you cant rely on Hydras since they suck so along with gorgons and flies Wyverns become a necessity
Thanks for the comment. Good points. I admit that I did not consider the Fly Hives. Though I have to disagree about Hydras and Gorgons. Imo using Gorgons vs high tier and Hydras vs lower tier makes them rather good :)
@@qualityoldhomm-rd3yu I didnt write properly; i meant that when playing fortress you need to rely on your gorgons and wyverns since hydras are the weakest T7 (maybe ghost dragon is worst tho). Either way fun video :)
@@solaceinlarsa6380 Ah, makes sense :D Thank you!
I have not been playing this game for decades and yet somehow I'm super invested in this.
Thanks for the comment. Yea, the game holds time rather well (and have created some rather nice memories as well) :)
Mostly agree with the list, though i'd put Naga Queens at least top A if not for low S, that 30 damage with no retaliation packs some serious hit for sure, highest among the t6. Efreet Sultans are high value units, but most potencial comes from special tactics used especially with them, otherwise easiliy can be overestimated.
Thanks for the comment. Good points :)
In defense of Naga Queens, they are good for the roster they're in. If any faction can get the foe to move towards them and into range of a Naga, it's Tower. They've got three ranged units, including their tier 7! But I also agree they're well placed in A. Generally, I agree overall. Dread Knights are compensation for getting Ghost Dragons at tier 7, though Castle gets Archangels AND Champions!
Thanks for the comment. Yea, that the enemy comes to Nagas is a good point :)
Naga q s, normal naga low a. They will win you many fights against ai with good damage tankiness and no retal. Both unicorns 2 tiers lower than where they are (they are quite shit in most combat situations, slow, not great stats either, don't fly or shoot, probably worst usage of all t6), magic ele 1 tier down too, when they score big aoe it feels awesome but otherwise the stats are not that great. Wyverns have thing going for them that you can build them day 2 and get more from externals.
Thanks for the comment. Good points :)
But all of that S ifrits, champions and dark knights still cant survive a duel with nixes. If heroes has atleasr 10/10 stats and dark knight deal double damage and curse on first strike - they are still lose.
Thanks for the comment. A fight between units is a good point but imo does not tell everything :)
If you value cost vivern shoud have some benefit as a chipest unit?
Thanks for the comment. A good point. And I have to admit that I forgot the easy access to them from the Dragon Fly nests on the map :)
Ugh. Dreads not being top S is a heresy like wtf.
Dreads top S. Best of the best. Period. No discussion.
Sultans bottom S. Was happy to see you putting them high but then I realized you put them on top of S like naaaah. You overrate them too much.
Magic Elementals 2nd A. Their stats are pretty meh.
Naga Queen top A. You understimate their raw power.
Nix Warriors 4th A. Amazing tanks.
The rest is on point.
I would have put Naga Queen on low S. Purely on raw damage, it is probably the best.
Thanks for the comment. Valid points :)
You also have to take the price into account and at what point in the game you can build them, instead of just comparing raw power.
I don't know. I pvp unicorns aren that good at all. I know that u based at some of your test, but the less unicorns there is, the less effective the are, and in pvp you won't have so big stacs of them.
Nagas are killers.
Thanks for the comment. Valid points. I guess the context matters quite a bit :) Furthermore, imo the Unis' low cost also is rather nice for them.
lol this dude is finnish
:) Thanks for the comment.