To be fair, Bugsy's ace also has the quality of bouncing in and out of the fight instead of being a static 'final boss' of the team, so there's precedent for Crobat here
Yeah I was gonna say, even if it's not the ace in a technical sense Crobat would be showing up often enough in the fight that it would definitely have a good chance of feeling like the team's overall representative
Yah but then they made that the only thing scyther could do. Quick attack was aight but it’s obsolete since it out speeds most of what you can find at that point
@@danielhenrique4466this^. ive been playing through silver and noticed that actually the majority of gyms in johto DONT have their ace as their last pokemon, usually send their ace out of order, or have some ambiguity as to who their ace really is. its a fun rule, but even in official content theres a lot of flexibility for it
I feel if you just the Pokemon, but not the movesets, then they're good teams. The team building is similar to monotype, as you're trying to cover your weaknesses. The move sets, however, are made a bit worse, for example, scolipede has aqua tail and earthquake, instead of the more competitively viable SD, protect.
@@genericcatgirl that's revisionism. Due to the fact that most people active in pokemon discussions were playing gen 5 as kids we just have good memories of it. I personally like it despite its flaws (not enough choices in the first game + linear progression of the adventure)
That's something that I think this series suffers from. It takes a "mechanics first" approach to the team building because it's going for a generic 6-mon mono-type team. But in the games, the gym leaders are the biggest face for their city, and thought is put into characterizing the leader and exemplifying that with their pokemon. Some of the leaders even have an outfit stylized after one of their pokemon (especially their ace). On top of that, off typed 'mons can add extra characterization to the leader and their gym. Flint is a fire-type elite four in Sinnoh and he has a Steelix because flint and steel is a firestarter. I really enjoy these videos, but I think to truly be "the perfect gym leader teams" they need to have a leader and a gym to use them. And the current teams could still be characterized from this "mechanics first, pokemon first" approach. If Overqwil is the ace, maybe this gym leader is a retired navy captain? And the water-type coverage moves would feel a little more natural too.
@@josephschubert6561 The intro confused me, I thought this was about individual gym leaders. Why the heck should Misty, water chef dude from Paldea, Cress, Crasher Wake, Nessa, Wallace, and Marlon all use the exact same team? That would be boring.
@@kipolem53 yeah, I don't think he's trying to rework any specific leader's team, I think he just has favorite leaders so he uses them as visual examples.
I hope Glimmora gets on the Rock-type team. Stealth Rock + Toxic Debris sounds like a strong combination, especially when you combine it with the inevitable Ground-type moves the team will have going against any Poison-types that will want to switch in to clear Toxic Spikes, or Steel-types that want to tank a hit, not get poisoned by the Toxic Spikes or hurt that much by Stealth Rock and then Rapid Spin them away.
The Rock team would also definitely have the sandstream thanks to Tyranitar, which is terrifying combined with Spikes and Toxic Spikes. I think Stealth Rock should be on there too though, it's the ROCK team after all
Was really hoping to see it lead here, though, that means the game would probably haveta give access to Rapid Spin or plentiful poison types by the time you reached this gym.
I'm a bit surprised Sneasler didn't make the cut, and almost offended it wasn't even an honourable mention. It's blazingly fast, hits insanely hard, covers the Rock and Steel issues the team faces with Brick Break or Close Combat, has a pretty good signature move in Dire Claw, and gets applicable coverage. Sure, it's brain explodes when someone thinks in its general direction, but it outspeeds most Psychic threats and Throat Chop and U-Turn would make quick work of them. Fake Out would also be a great option for a move to turn it into a T-Spikes supporting pivot, forcing an extra turn of chip every time it comes in, and then threatening the KO with a fresh CC or Dire Claw.
Yea sneasler is arguably the best poison type ever made not counting legendaries. I miss having sneasler in gen 9 ou. Fling holding the big nugget, dire claw, poison touch fake out, air balloon acrobatics or grass seed (or fling) with unburden, CC, sword dance, toxic spikes, u turn, DIRE CLAW. It's so much fun to use and has many move sets plus it's easy to use lol or was at least. I'm terrible at gen 9 OU and I was sweeping so many teams. I see why it was banned but I miss it. Top 15 mons for me. Hisui had so many good regional forms/evos not counting avalugg. Worse competitively but also doesn't look different at all and bad casually too
This is completely true, I went into a monotype battle with this team but with Sneasler instead of Overquil and won against an all-dragon team with an Archaludon.
You know it isn't impossible for there to be Sinnoh variants in Legends Z-A. It seems like Arceus focused on Unova and Johto mostly, sure there was Growlithe and Arcanine too. I think mostly though, if the two region focus is retained, it cannot be Kalos, ,since that is the region already being represented, just as how there are no Hisuin Cherrim or Skuntank. Secondly, the current region is out, so Paldea no. Then I think since there already was a focus on Unova and Johto, those regions are also off the table this time. So Sinnoh actually is ON the table. Which means Drapion getting a new variant in that game could happen.
Aight i gotta toss my hat in the ring and qualifications for this type specifically. I used to run the poison type gym for one of the biggest gym challenge discords out there where i went 107 wins to 14 losses battling from 1300-1900 average elo on the natdex ladder, i also ran and helped teambuild for a few smaller gym challenge servers and have alot of experience in monotype both on showdown ladder and in bouts against high ranking friends. You make ALOT of good points. Toxic is a great status for poison to abuse along with its typing resistances and lack of weaknesses. Scolipede is a pretty solid lead all around and i actually used it on the initial version of my team for the exact reasons listed. Crobat im sorry but hes not very good for mono poison teams for what you wanted him for id say try going for weezing instead its got great defenses can remove abilities and gets levitate still being immune to ground options aside from something like mold breaker mons i personally used galarian weezing on my team and it was insanely useful and was the 2nd most hated pokemon for players to fight yes it lacks solid recovery but pain split helps wittle down people and recover itself. Salazzle. I hate to say this but salazzle isnt a great option yes it helps against steel ezpecially if youre focusing on toxic spam but i tended to utilize galarian slowbro or slowking with flamethrower and ice beam its got amazing coverage and recovers on swap outs making it easier to swap stall enemies out. On top of that if you give it an assault vest its an incredible pick especially for galar slowking. It gets better defenses overall against swap ins and checks to the team. Oh. See the last comment on it lmao. Great pick. Ill just add a last pick at the end to make up for this. Revaroom can be solid but is incredibly unreliable on poison mono. For what you want on it a setup sweeper poison doesnt have too many great options normally id say naganadel but no ubs are allowed so revaroom works fine the downside is its speed tier isnt that great so its unreliable to do much beyond a single ko if that. Overall setup sweepers for mono poison dont work that well (if im forgetting any lemme know) ALOLAN MUK MENTIONED for this team i actually recommend alolan muk for this team instead of the dark team because its insanely powerful as a pursuit trapper into psychic types it can combat just about any psychic type with an assault vest solid swap in potential to steel types with drain punch and gets ice punch to cover ground threat swap ins for some damage. This was the pokemon that people complained about the most when fighting me and would single handedly slaughter half their roster with a bit of smart play absolutely incredible mon to add to ANY poison mono team and highly recommend it if you wanna do poison mono i used mine with i think its poison touch or poison point so if it ate a direct hit it might have poisoned something if spikes werent up not much reason to do other options. For the last pokemon id recommend a couple of options that work well for a few reasons Nidoking: sheer force life orb hits surprisingly hard on a special attack set with great coverage downside is its not particularly tank nor fast so its a hit or miss with it. Toxapex, absolute wall of a mon i used mine with air balloon weirdly enough it worked well utilizing scald and ice beam for ground switch ins that can also burn steel mons it also gets regenerator so if it does end up eating a hit it can swap around between it and slowking galar. And lastly gengar. I personally used this one on my team to quite alot of success in a metagame where players could counter build every gym as much as they wanted and had access to legends ubs etc while we only got what was within our typing it did wonders both in mega form and non mega. I used it non mega for one reason... choice scarf. Its already quite a fast pokemon that can hit hard with great moveset options and great stab into psychic types. However i gave it scarf for the reason of scarf destiny bond incredibly successful would allow me to take out massive threats to the team without too much worry even against smarter opponents they had to play a guessing game of either eating a hit from gengars awesome stats and movepool normally 2 hits or take the risk and go for the kill it always got at least one often times more and was the 3rd most complained abojt mon on the entire team and is the one i personally recommend for the last slot! Any thoughts or questions lemme know!
I appreciate the insight! It’s nice to get a take from an experienced gym leader! I think my teams often suffer from my goal to fit a type’s particular _vibe_. Crobat? Fits the vibe. But as an actual team member I can definitely see its shortcomings. You could probably tell I slightly regretted not including Nidoking. In hindsight looking at calcs it’s just so so good. Maybe once I’m done with this series I’ll go back and do a “revising the gym leader teams” video. If I do I’m definitely using your comment as reference for Poison ☠️
yes, it was super fun to compare my poison team in scarlet to this team. but 6 pokemon is too few, you get far too much XP, so i ended up training a bunch... . (don't click more if you'd rather not see my list before your run) . amoonguss, revavroom, salazzle, toxtricity, clodsire, skuntank, gengar, dragalge, toxipex, glimmora (all available in the scarlet base game) . dragalage and toxtricity underperformed, but the rest were a lot of fun.
I did a similar thing when making competitive mono-type teams. My rules were that all pokemon need to have 1 type of their speciality, and 1 pokemon that is not of the type speciality, but makes great use of the type speciality. 1)Toxapex (Wall) 2)Nidoking (Physical Sweeper) 3)Gengar (Special Attacker) 4)Amoonguss (Support) 5)Scolipede (Baton Passer) 6)"Toxic Boost" Zangoose (Ace)
I like the idea of thematic additions - not something of the type but related. The doughnut dog at a fire gym etc. The interactions of the elements are close enough that it wouldn’t be uncanny while giving some more options to types with little mons
@@facelessnameless yeah, I specifically chose Zangoose as it’s Hidden Ability Toxic Boost turns the status condition that plagues the enemy into a massive buff. While Zangoose doesn’t have the best stats, the Scolipede with Speed Boost, protecting and Substituting, and also using Swords Dance to boost its attack on a free turn, then Baton Passing all the buffed Attack and Speed onto Zangoose would make Zangoose an ultimate sweeper. I made this team more for an annoying competitive build rather than a gym leader, but I felt it was good to show my version.
With Zangoose not actually being a Poison type, I could totally see this as a Paldean Gym leader team where Zangoose terastallizes into a Poison type (after one turn of Protect to make sure that the Toxic Orb does indeed proc). Very gimmicky, but I love it.
I think Gliscor fits better as the non-Poison. Zangoose has a Poison-themed ability because it hates a particular Poison type. Gliscor has a Poison-themed ability because it would have been also a Poison type if Pokemon can have three types (it's a scorpion after all), but it can't so it settled with its Poison ability.
This is the one ive been waiting for. Have been a poison trainer since gen 1. I am so happy everytime a new episode in this series comes out. Please keep it up!
I strongly disagree on not taking Toxapex, but other than that, I think this team is pretty solid, though I am also slightly annoyed by the fact that this team does not have Hex nor Venoshock
imo gliscore is an honorary poison type since it has poison heal, is a scorpion and it's signature attack is toxic lol. I wouldn't get shocked if I saw it in a poison type gym ngl
besides thematic reasons, Gliscor could be a really good coverage option for a league where gym leaders get to bring an off-type wildcard mon earthquake needs no introduction, its part flying type lets it ignore ground moves, and it can spam knock off until all your items/psychic types are gone and it has a lot of utility potential; there’s a reason it replaced Landorus-T in formats where Lando isn’t available (and I’m pretty sure it was in the same tier during at least some parts of the SV meta) also Gliscor is cute and I want to pet it
@@specs.weedle Both Lando T and Gliscor are OU as of the current SV meta on smogon, with Lando T being the 6th most used pokemon, and Gliscor being the 16th out of 39.
My poison team would've been much more grass and stall based, but a strong mon I was surprised didn't even get mentioned was Sneasler. It's quad weak to Psychic type, but the rest of my team composition makes psychic a joke, so Sneasler would very much serve as a mid to late game sweeper
I've always thought that a poison type Gym Leader could potentially be very nasty and have been saddened by the fact that they're not. Nice job at doing so!
In all honestly, I would opt for a white herb + curse + acrobatics setup for Crobat instead of super fang. Dealing half of the enemies health isn’t super important, especially compared to a set up pokemon with high amounts of speed and bulk, and more often than not if you have a matchup you don’t want to face against, you just u-turn out. Having a bulkier set compliments nicely with roost, in addition to acrobatics which doubles your damage to 110 when you have no item. Better than fly I think. Just a thought.
Agreed, this would be dope Also makes room for acrobatics flying stab which feels better than most of the other options (to me anyway... But I'm biased, love me a bit of acro spam)
@@geekorino Oh yeh that was literally what I was about to write, idk why I forgot to include acrobatics. In all honesty, I copied the setup from haydunn on RUclips. Edited it now.
I really like this series. I always wished the gym leaders were more challenging and had actually thought out teams. I’d love to see all of these modded into a game one day.
you know, i find the idea over overqwill being the ace of a Leader who looks just as awkwardly proportioned and almost adorably clumsy very fitting, maybe not for the type, but the aesthetic of looking hyper defensive, whilst having a lethality just beneath the surface. poison may be a defensive type, but a lot of mons also have offensive sets that can take out atleast one mon. having a surprise reverse sweeper makes sense.
Could go well with an aristocratic gym leader who looks like a harmless mother/grandmother who just enjoys cooking, but may or may not have a lot of unpleasant guests overindulging themselves on confections and end up quite sick. Of course, she'll make sure to take good care of them until they're feeling better... Basically, a very wolf in sheep's clothing style of character with a nice big smile and soft round face (and if you get them angry enough to break character they might even puff up like an Overquil)
Random thing but Roxie's bassist in her PUNK ROCK BAND "Billy Jo" is likely a sort of easter egg referencing Billy Joe, the lead singer and guitarist of Green Day, likely the biggest punk rock band ever.
I kinda like the song for Roxie's Gym in the Japanese version of the game. Instead of just a general song about Pokémon, it's about their mascot Pokémon: Koffing.
Considering how Raihan has a team that has good synergy, I think Nintendo might start using tournament strategies but worsened to not make it insanely difficult for younger players
This is great, but when are we getting the real perfect gym type list? The Dog Type Gym! Honestly, good video, can't wait to see the dark one, or the flying one!
Funny, you asked what pokemon comes to mind first for a poison type, and I INSTANTLY went "skuntank, obviously!" I am sad to see Nidoking/Nidoqueen and Skuntank not on the team, but I do understand their omission. The team is very well thought out! Maybe I'll do my own poison-team build in one of my games just so I can give my big skunk some love.
15:54 personally and maybe its just my style but id give slowking a different moveset i thought when you were introducing it as the hexpert because you were giving it hex and venoshock to double down on poison perhaps with psychic noise to shut down recovery on some wall that maybe only got poisoned instead of badly poisoned and then of course whatever coverage move you want because obviously its keeping assault vest
I really liked the Overquil pick. I think it rounds out the team well that was, in my opinion, very coverage or support heavy. I understand that coverage is good and necessary, but there's something about a gym leader not dishing out poison moves that doesn't sit well with me. Loved the team! Gotta go watch the other gym vidoes now!
Was waiting for this, Poison types are my favorite. Im going to make a prediction before watching and say Garlarian Weezing will be on the team. If they aren't I'll be sad and make my own Poison monotype team... with Galar Weezing, and Loaded Dice, and Salazzles!
poison type is probably favorite time in game and scolipede is one of my favorite pokemon of all time so i was so excited when i clicked on this video!!!
Today I learned that Scoliopede can learn Aqua Tail. I don't know why, but I remembered it learning Water Pulse instead. I recall it being able to learn a Water-type move, but just forgot it was Aqua Tail.
I think you did a good job of picking tbh. No five Pokemon share a weakness, and you've got the counters covered. My team would be: Overqwil as the lead, hazard setter, and Psychic counter. Scolipede is amazing but I really want two Dark types. Muk-Alola. Two Dark types that will spell trouble against a Psychic type that wants to sweep the team. Weezing-Galar as the Ground immunity. I don't see much value in a Flying type in the team, since most of its resists are shared with Poison. While Fairy counters better types like Dragon. Venusaur as Ground counter. Chose him over other Grass-Poisons because of the good balance of offensive and defensive stats and access to coverage. Nidoking as Poison/Steel counter and general powerhouse. Sneasler as the hardest hitter and Steel-type counter. This would be the ace. It'll destroy almost anything in front of it. Lots of Pokemon with good defenses to emphasize Poison's strengths in whittling down the enemy, then two offensive powerhouses that will clean after them. I would have really loved Toxapex in the team, and tbh the ones you chose are all great too. So many good choices!
Before Gen 9 I was waiting for a Poison/Steel Type Pokemon and when Revavroom came out I liked it even if it's not as defensive as I imagined but still good no matter what.
this has been one of my favourite pokemon video series ! not only do i feel you present your information in an easy to understand way for non comp pokemon fans, i feel i learn a lot from you! your voice is also gentle and soothing to hear and your choice of clips for editing purposes along with your dialogue are so silly and fitting! i’m excited to see you continue on with the series!
thanks for another fun and interesting gym type video. I liked the twist with some Pokémon not having poison attack moves, It's these videos that made me subscribe. The only 3 changes i would do is give Scolipede rock slide instead of aqua tail because it covers more types together with earthquake and would help Scolipede with flying types. I also think Salazzle could instead of substitute have venoshock that doubles its power to 130 on poisoned Pokémon, and since it's expected to be poisoned from toxic spikes, that comes to it's favor. And if the opponent is expected to switch to a flying, poison or steel type, Salazzle can have a guarantied poison opponent with toxic's help no matter the type. I think that would make Salazzle more likely to last longer because if you can tank its fire, there more likely to be a free ko with a manageable risk. And finally, I'm not sure if you forgot or if i missed what item Overquill would have, but i would give them either a sucha berry for resistance of the only super effective type or a rocky helmet to chip away some health from physical hits Overquill can take that would build up with poison status. keep up the good work and I hope to see grass types get justice next time.
Weezing is a must have for me as a much needed ground immunity, Crobat is not enough with 2 4x weaknesses. Instead of slowking, I would definitely want Alolan Muk, Skuntank, Drapion, or Overqwil. A poison dark is a non-negotiable
I'm a Throat Chop enthusiast whenever possible and I say Overquil should've had Throat Chop. Same power as Crunch but suppresses sound moves, so it even plays into the theme of hindering the opponent
I know you said you didn't want to use Toxapex because it is too defensive and passive, but here's the thing, it doesn't have to. Toxapex gets access to the Merciless ability, which gives guaranteed crits vs poisoned pokemon. It also gets access to Venoshock, a 130 bp move vs poisoned pokemon. Combine the two and you'll get a 130 pb move that always crits (getting a x1.5 boost and ignoring stat changes because of it) comming off a pokemon with an excelent defensive profile that will be hard to KO. You can round the moveset up with Ice Beam, Baneful Bunker, and the last move is personal preference. With this, Toxapex is no longer a passive wall, but a wall that can constantly apply pressure, even though it has poor offensive stats.
Very much loving this series! With the rise of Cobblemon (Minecraft/Pokemon mod) I’ve been itching to create NPC gym leaders for friends to battle, but didn’t want to recreate old gym leaders since they haven’t posed too much challenge for the beefed up Player Teams. Plus, need to spice things up, see new dynamics! This series gives a lot of amazing ideas and insight on how to best showcase type themes! I can’t wait to say “yeah, this is the poison team” and then watch my buddy get rocked by planned ahead super effective coverage. XD Thank you again very much for the effort you’re putting into this series, and I can’t wait to see what’s next! Also super love the no mechanic gimmicks, since Cobblemon doesn’t really do Z-Moves, Terra-types, etc. There’s an extra mod for mega, but, it’s just not all there yet.
Im kinda surprised there was no pokemon with Venoshock? I feel like it would have been a good move to have considering your opponents would be poisoned most of the time.
Eyyy lucky I just opened. Love your videos!!! I look forward to all of them. I love team building and your teams are always very creative. I love how you build around the essence of each type and I look forward to seeing what each types will be!
"Poison is a defensive type by nature." GameFreak making another poison glass cannon because ninjas: "You also said ice types aren't so strong they shouldn't be saved for endgame; so you're clearly full of sh-t."
I think Overquil is actually a pretty good ace! I dont know, something about the way it looked as a sillouhette when you revealed which poison/dark you picked for this team had this danger factor thats very poison to me. Like, it kinda reminded me of poison labels for some reason? Also, the name carries it too. I'm looking forward to your electric and ghost videos though!! Poison, electric, and ghost are my top 3 favorite types so I was really excited to see this come out.
As for my actual feedback and answering your question, I think it's quite solid. Nidoking and Queen are iconic (im a gen 1 lover) but they dont have the style points. As not as good of a Pokemon as it is, I feel like Toxtricity (Amped Form) could replace one of the offensive types, like Salazzle. Although Ground is immune to Electric, Toxtricity in its design is very unique and a pokemon I feel would fit that iconic, associated with the gym leader type. Sound as a (sub-type, or status? something) is also something you don't see often and hasn't really been given the exploration it deserves in the Pokemon franchise. You could go with a mix up and with its close stats in both Attack and Special Attack, having both also suits it as an all rounder. Overdrive and Boomburst for theming and raw power. While its no Flamethrower, you can employ both Attack and Fire with Fire Punch. Then your choice of Poison offensive move like Sludge Bomb or Gunk Shot, or you could go Shift Gear for a stat up which also helps with the base 75 speed. Pair this with a choice item, I'd probably go Scarf with 252 EVs into Speed to help him out. He won't outspeed a lot of the other competitive Pokemon, but I'd take him. You could also go Low Key and use Magnetic Flux to play into the defensive theming of Poison, although apart from that I'd also go with the above build or similar. He's not an very defensive Mon.
Amazing video as always! For the Team's Ace, Toxapex could be a good pick, but with the Merciless ability instead of the usual Regenerator since it's the last pokemon. Venoshock deserves some love on the team, and combined with Merciless crits could deal some decent damage. Add Baneful Bunker and Recover, it could really exemplify Poison as a defensive type that relies on status.
First: Hi Ho Horse is a typo lol, you meant Hi Ho Power. Second: I really like this list and you did a good job with the other two as well. My only gripe would have been to include toxapex because it is a fairly iconic poison type with its signature baneful bunker perfectly representing the type with both defense through Protect and then poisoning you. It's also because it wouldn't fit on a water team because water is already (I'm pretty sure at least) a very bulky type.
i JUST ran a poison team run in Scarlet. there are so many good ones, and it was hard to hold myself to 6 ended up rotating through: amoonguss, revavroom, salazzle, toxtricity, clodsire, skuntank, gengar, dragalge, toxipex, glimmora i wished MANY times that scarlet had access to crobat for a fast flying type imune to ground. I also wished it had access to Sneasler for fast fighting STAB (and because "dire claw" looks super fun). I never even tried toxicroak, because it was so shit in my fighting-type run amoonguss was my main defense against earthquake, which still chunks it, so ground was an issue, almost the entire run long (but i like such challenges) revavroom was super fun, and has so many options! very hard to pick a move set. all that said, the most fun poison type to me was PECHARUNT! i had a ball using it in the second DLC.
I enjoyed this, thanks for making it! I’ve always thought being a gym leader would be a dope gig. I’ve thought up teams sorta like you have here. I’m gonna watch your other gym videos
scolipede may be my favorite pokemon, stoked he made the list! I used to think overqwil was stupid but then i actually played legends arceus and something about seeing that goober in 3D really did it for me. awesome team!
I loved this concept of video so much that i made my own perfect gym leader team for almost every type Fun to see that we have 3 mon in common for poison type :) Looking forward for the next one, plus im curious about how you'll handle certain types that i found harder to "grasp"
I was part of a group that made mono type teams and played them against each other. I was the poison guy and had a blast. Tentacruel was my favorite Pokémon and a menace on the team.
Man I love this series!! I hope to see a steel type gym soon, as it's my favourite type and, as it is not overlooked because of its sheer power defensively, its pokemon are often overlooked.
Great team! You forgot to tell the ability and item on overqwill, but i guess it's intimidate and life orb. I would definitively use focus sash on solicopedee, i think revavroom will more appreciate an air ballon
This video is such a treat for me! As someone who's favorite type is Poison and her favorite Pokémon are Scolipede and Clodsire, I LOVE THIS!! While I am a bit offended that Clods didn't make the cut, the fact that Scolipede ended up as your lead *AND* you showed off her shiny-the thing that made me adore her in the first place-more than makes up for it. Personally, I much prefer interpreting Poison as a very punk rock type. The way it's opposed against Steel types (industry), has Pokémon who represent both pollution and venom (Koffing and Arbok for example), and the existence of Roxie and Toxtricity just make it feel very anti-establishment in a loud, aggressive way. I also like how in Gen 1, it was the stand in for the villain type and I'm very upset with the Dark type for taking that away (and also for being a trash, redundant type in general and creates a thematic discrepancy due to the existence of a _literal_ "evil" type but that is a rant for another day). Also, while Poison _is kind of_ a defensive type, it's never really felt that way to me. Think about the real world: animals primarily use poison to either deter predators or gurantee a kill with just one bite. This is why humans are so spooked by toxic animals in a way that's different from more grizzly animals. You can run from a bear, or even kill it. You can't run from poison in your body. I feel like it'd be more appropriate for there to be a move that would apply a variant of Poison that damages a Pokémon outside of battle or maybe a version of Pursuit with say 70 Power that only works on Poisoned foes.
Love the concept for this series. Ton of fun & it would definitely be really cool if the teams of the gym leaders were this well designed. Though it would be a lot of work, it might be interesting to take this concept further and design gym leader teams for each generation...and if you really want to milk this for all it's worth...include each generation's Champion & Elite 4.
That's one hell of a team, though i would make some slight adjustments. I'd have the lead Pokémon be Glimmora. Toxic Debris is just a great way to set up T. Spikes, if a little risky. For that reason, I'd make the moveset Toxic Spikes, Energy Ball, Mortal Spin, and Spiky Shield, with a held Focus Sash. Toxic Spikes makes any physical attack against you a chance to instantly set up two layers for easy toxic poison, and a sash ensures you can at least set up one layer. Spiky Shield can help punish contact moves with extra chip damage, and Energy Ball os a solid option to punish Ground leads. Mortal Spin is just a way to leave a parting gift, since Glimmora isnt really supposed to last overly long
Great team, only change I would make is Drapion vs overquill. Battle Armor assault vest or scope lense sniper sets are Hard to deal with. Especially with it formerly having aqua tail and the elemental fangs and more.
I agree with everything but I'd giving glowking future sight instead, it'd compliment its ability to leave while still providing damage and also works with other mons like crobat and uturn to keep up non stop momentum
Slowking feels like an ace that would get shuffled through the actual battle to get use from Regenerator. But maybe that’s because I like the design so much
If thought about this ALOT. My team for your Showdown consideration. Mind you, I stopped playing after gen vi and happy to answer any questions about choices. My lead off was usually Nidoqueen or Scollipede and my signature Ace was Crobat. Kalis (Crobat) @ Safety Goggles Ability: Infiltrator EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 Spe Jolly Nature - Toxic - Roost - Brave Bird - Super Fang Foxglove (Scolipede) @ Leftovers Ability: Speed Boost EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe Jolly Nature - Toxic - Protect - Substitute - Pin Missile Belladona (Nidoqueen) @ Black Sludge Ability: Sheer Force EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 Def Relaxed Nature - Ice Beam - Rock Slide - Dragon Tail - Stealth Rock Nightshade (Drapion) @ Assault Vest Ability: Battle Armor EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpD Careful Nature - Knock Off - Rock Slide - Poison Jab - Fire Fang Hemlock (Nidoking) @ Life Orb Ability: Sheer Force EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe Timid Nature - Ice Beam - Fire Blast - Earth Power - Sludge Wave Nightwalker (Venusaur-Mega) @ Venusaurite Ability: Overgrow EVs: 232 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 20 Spe Modest Nature - Giga Drain - Leech Seed - Sludge Bomb - Grassy Terrain
Really nice! Due to me not knowing much about the other poison type mons after Sun and Moon, there was a lot of new ideas and interesting information about them that got me thinking of some new ideas for Poison Type Team set ups. Personally this is usually my own team I would run with on some rom hacks of previous gens. Crobat, Nidoking or Nidequeen, Tentacruel, Drapion, Venusaur (if I can get away with it, make it into Mega Venasaur), and Salazzle. Depending on the situation usually leading with either Venusaur or Drapion for stall and/or just start out swinging. Venosaur being my classic Leech Seed, Growth or Curse (usually Growth), and Giga/Mega Drain. With the final move being Body Slam (if avaialble), Earthquake (if available), or some move that might spread either Paralysis or Confusion. I lost count how many times I won by just being a stall machine with Mega Venusaur, though there were times I ran into infamous and potent wall breakers that made me sweat hard in fear. Black Sludge or Leftovers for it if I cannot have the Mega Evolution. Drapion usually being my T.Spikes user and with Battle Armor, just start swinging with High Crit Ratio moves like Night Slash (Sometimes I'll switch for a Sucker Punch), X-Scissor, or Cross Poison. If I'm feeling very lucky, try to finish off someone with Fell Stinger. High HP and Phy.Def. Item. Either Black Sludge or Scope Lens for the higher Crit hits. Crobat, either a full Sp.Atk or Atker with some bulk along with its natural high speed (sometimes I'll go Adamant and spec into full atk and spd for suicide Brave Birds) Hard for items on this one. I heard about Heavy Duty Boots, but I usually would just go for a Type Gem and go for that smashing revenge killer or wall breaking strike. Kind of funny to mix Crobat with Flying Gem and Acrobatics for that cheap shot. The Nidos I abuse with Sheer Force/Life Orb with them being an attacker type that is opposite of Crobat, depending on situation and valuable resources. I usually prefer using Nidoking for the more offense over defense stance of things. Stab Poison Jab or Sludge Wave, Stab Earthquake or Earth Power. For the last two moves I get creative with T.Bolt or T.Punch, and the last move I mess around with Ice Beam, Flame Thrower, or other moves that I maybe needing that can get the Sheer Force boost. Tentacruel being my off hand Sp.Def staller with Acid Armor and Recover, along with abusing Scald and Sludge Bomb. Either a Water Boosting item or a Weakness Policy to get that extra boost and make the opponent regret hitting my weakness and I somehow survived it. Salazzle is either the all out Sp.Atk sweeper or the obnoxious Poison/Badly Poison spreader with her Corrosion chipping away at everyone. Unsure for the item, but usually I'd go with a Choice Specs or something to boost her Special Atk. Though I had a few times ran her with Taunt, Toxic, two high damaging special attacks like Flamethrower and Venoshock, and holding Focus Sash to mess around as my alter lead to mess with my opponents. Quite funny when someone gets Venoshocked after switching in to T.Spikes. Thanks for the video! Going to look up those mentioned poison types you have on your poison team and see if I can make new adjustments with mine.
If the gym leader played in doubles, you can make clodsire work with any surf user repeatedly healing it with its ability water absorb (preferably one that can also take advantage of trick room)
TOXAPEX might actually be useful in the team with its abolity Merciless - A signature ability that every move it uses CRITS if the opponent is poisoned - even though Toxapex's offenses are abysmal having a critical damage every makes it better offensive and defensive at the same time
I love this series so much, very entertaining and informativ at the same time. You also chose interesting to use Pokémon every video. ❤ Could you do dragon, rock or steel next?
I love these videos, I keep waiting for the next one and I only wish they were all out already. Please keep making them and then let’s put them all up against each other, how they’re intended to be used
To be fair, Bugsy's ace also has the quality of bouncing in and out of the fight instead of being a static 'final boss' of the team, so there's precedent for Crobat here
Yeah I was gonna say, even if it's not the ace in a technical sense Crobat would be showing up often enough in the fight that it would definitely have a good chance of feeling like the team's overall representative
Yah but then they made that the only thing scyther could do. Quick attack was aight but it’s obsolete since it out speeds most of what you can find at that point
An ace does not necessarily needs to come up last, I understand that is the case in most cases, but there is no need to be like this
@BigHardThrobbin did you want it to have something stronger? To make the fight even harder?
@@danielhenrique4466this^. ive been playing through silver and noticed that actually the majority of gyms in johto DONT have their ace as their last pokemon, usually send their ace out of order, or have some ambiguity as to who their ace really is. its a fun rule, but even in official content theres a lot of flexibility for it
Ah yes free monotype teams for showdown
I’ve been doing this with the last 3 and they’re quite fun
Same
I feel if you just the Pokemon, but not the movesets, then they're good teams. The team building is similar to monotype, as you're trying to cover your weaknesses. The move sets, however, are made a bit worse, for example, scolipede has aqua tail and earthquake, instead of the more competitively viable SD, protect.
Bad news, bro. You can't use some of these mons in gen 9
no bro these teams suck
Scoliopede is one of my favorite pokemon overall. While I understand gen5 isn't everyone's favorite, it really did give us some cool pokemon
Venipede is my boi!
Isn't everybody's favorite? I'm pretty sure the general consensus is that gen5 is peak nowadays lol.
@@genericcatgirl that's revisionism. Due to the fact that most people active in pokemon discussions were playing gen 5 as kids we just have good memories of it.
I personally like it despite its flaws (not enough choices in the first game + linear progression of the adventure)
Horse-sized centipede my beloved
@@samohanka Its a simplw question. Would you fight 100 centipede sized horses? Or a Horse Size Centipede?
I'd give Roxie Toxtricity as an ace just for flavor, but as a generalized poison gym leader this is great
That's something that I think this series suffers from. It takes a "mechanics first" approach to the team building because it's going for a generic 6-mon mono-type team. But in the games, the gym leaders are the biggest face for their city, and thought is put into characterizing the leader and exemplifying that with their pokemon. Some of the leaders even have an outfit stylized after one of their pokemon (especially their ace). On top of that, off typed 'mons can add extra characterization to the leader and their gym. Flint is a fire-type elite four in Sinnoh and he has a Steelix because flint and steel is a firestarter.
I really enjoy these videos, but I think to truly be "the perfect gym leader teams" they need to have a leader and a gym to use them.
And the current teams could still be characterized from this "mechanics first, pokemon first" approach. If Overqwil is the ace, maybe this gym leader is a retired navy captain? And the water-type coverage moves would feel a little more natural too.
@@josephschubert6561 The intro confused me, I thought this was about individual gym leaders. Why the heck should Misty, water chef dude from Paldea, Cress, Crasher Wake, Nessa, Wallace, and Marlon all use the exact same team? That would be boring.
@@kipolem53 yeah, I don't think he's trying to rework any specific leader's team, I think he just has favorite leaders so he uses them as visual examples.
I hope Glimmora gets on the Rock-type team. Stealth Rock + Toxic Debris sounds like a strong combination, especially when you combine it with the inevitable Ground-type moves the team will have going against any Poison-types that will want to switch in to clear Toxic Spikes, or Steel-types that want to tank a hit, not get poisoned by the Toxic Spikes or hurt that much by Stealth Rock and then Rapid Spin them away.
Additionally, the meteor beam + power herb held item combo is very good!
The Rock team would also definitely have the sandstream thanks to Tyranitar, which is terrifying combined with Spikes and Toxic Spikes. I think Stealth Rock should be on there too though, it's the ROCK team after all
Was really hoping to see it lead here, though, that means the game would probably haveta give access to Rapid Spin or plentiful poison types by the time you reached this gym.
Gordie I definitely wouldn't give it up. After all, it's a stone gym leader who wants to do tactics
I'm a bit surprised Sneasler didn't make the cut, and almost offended it wasn't even an honourable mention. It's blazingly fast, hits insanely hard, covers the Rock and Steel issues the team faces with Brick Break or Close Combat, has a pretty good signature move in Dire Claw, and gets applicable coverage. Sure, it's brain explodes when someone thinks in its general direction, but it outspeeds most Psychic threats and Throat Chop and U-Turn would make quick work of them. Fake Out would also be a great option for a move to turn it into a T-Spikes supporting pivot, forcing an extra turn of chip every time it comes in, and then threatening the KO with a fresh CC or Dire Claw.
Valid! I should have mentioned it, but on the bright side there’s a decent chance I’ll be talking about it again down the road 👀
Looking forward to the rest of the videos!
@shepskydad I'm surprised you didn't make Slowking use Hex. It does double damage to a target with a status, and he's literally the Hexpert!!
Yea sneasler is arguably the best poison type ever made not counting legendaries. I miss having sneasler in gen 9 ou. Fling holding the big nugget, dire claw, poison touch fake out, air balloon acrobatics or grass seed (or fling) with unburden, CC, sword dance, toxic spikes, u turn, DIRE CLAW. It's so much fun to use and has many move sets plus it's easy to use lol or was at least. I'm terrible at gen 9 OU and I was sweeping so many teams. I see why it was banned but I miss it. Top 15 mons for me. Hisui had so many good regional forms/evos not counting avalugg. Worse competitively but also doesn't look different at all and bad casually too
This is completely true, I went into a monotype battle with this team but with Sneasler instead of Overquil and won against an all-dragon team with an Archaludon.
Though he didn’t make the cut, I’m glad my boy Swalot was in the video In some form.
Swalot deez nuts
What’s Swalots pre-evolution again?
@@Azreal4 Grimer
@@UnchainedPandoran lol
I always love to see Swalot appreciators. It's certainly not the best at... probably anything, tbh, but I can't help but love that whacky, blobby boy.
One day Drapion will get the attention he deserves
I was surprised to see Drapion written off when it's actually a beast and I'd be scared if it showed up on a gym leader's team.
@@dvillines26 imagine seeing a drapion in a poison gym and its not their best mon, the things an actual monster.
Drapion is one of those "just one buff" kinda mons.
I wonder why he doesn’t get the spotlight as much.
You know it isn't impossible for there to be Sinnoh variants in Legends Z-A. It seems like Arceus focused on Unova and Johto mostly, sure there was Growlithe and Arcanine too. I think mostly though, if the two region focus is retained, it cannot be Kalos, ,since that is the region already being represented, just as how there are no Hisuin Cherrim or Skuntank. Secondly, the current region is out, so Paldea no. Then I think since there already was a focus on Unova and Johto, those regions are also off the table this time.
So Sinnoh actually is ON the table. Which means Drapion getting a new variant in that game could happen.
Honestly, I was shocked to not see Venoshock or Hex on this team for obvious reasons
Aight i gotta toss my hat in the ring and qualifications for this type specifically.
I used to run the poison type gym for one of the biggest gym challenge discords out there where i went 107 wins to 14 losses battling from 1300-1900 average elo on the natdex ladder, i also ran and helped teambuild for a few smaller gym challenge servers and have alot of experience in monotype both on showdown ladder and in bouts against high ranking friends.
You make ALOT of good points. Toxic is a great status for poison to abuse along with its typing resistances and lack of weaknesses. Scolipede is a pretty solid lead all around and i actually used it on the initial version of my team for the exact reasons listed.
Crobat im sorry but hes not very good for mono poison teams for what you wanted him for id say try going for weezing instead its got great defenses can remove abilities and gets levitate still being immune to ground options aside from something like mold breaker mons i personally used galarian weezing on my team and it was insanely useful and was the 2nd most hated pokemon for players to fight yes it lacks solid recovery but pain split helps wittle down people and recover itself.
Salazzle. I hate to say this but salazzle isnt a great option yes it helps against steel ezpecially if youre focusing on toxic spam but i tended to utilize galarian slowbro or slowking with flamethrower and ice beam its got amazing coverage and recovers on swap outs making it easier to swap stall enemies out. On top of that if you give it an assault vest its an incredible pick especially for galar slowking. It gets better defenses overall against swap ins and checks to the team.
Oh. See the last comment on it lmao. Great pick. Ill just add a last pick at the end to make up for this.
Revaroom can be solid but is incredibly unreliable on poison mono. For what you want on it a setup sweeper poison doesnt have too many great options normally id say naganadel but no ubs are allowed so revaroom works fine the downside is its speed tier isnt that great so its unreliable to do much beyond a single ko if that. Overall setup sweepers for mono poison dont work that well (if im forgetting any lemme know)
ALOLAN MUK MENTIONED for this team i actually recommend alolan muk for this team instead of the dark team because its insanely powerful as a pursuit trapper into psychic types it can combat just about any psychic type with an assault vest solid swap in potential to steel types with drain punch and gets ice punch to cover ground threat swap ins for some damage. This was the pokemon that people complained about the most when fighting me and would single handedly slaughter half their roster with a bit of smart play absolutely incredible mon to add to ANY poison mono team and highly recommend it if you wanna do poison mono i used mine with i think its poison touch or poison point so if it ate a direct hit it might have poisoned something if spikes werent up not much reason to do other options.
For the last pokemon id recommend a couple of options that work well for a few reasons
Nidoking: sheer force life orb hits surprisingly hard on a special attack set with great coverage downside is its not particularly tank nor fast so its a hit or miss with it.
Toxapex, absolute wall of a mon i used mine with air balloon weirdly enough it worked well utilizing scald and ice beam for ground switch ins that can also burn steel mons it also gets regenerator so if it does end up eating a hit it can swap around between it and slowking galar.
And lastly gengar. I personally used this one on my team to quite alot of success in a metagame where players could counter build every gym as much as they wanted and had access to legends ubs etc while we only got what was within our typing it did wonders both in mega form and non mega. I used it non mega for one reason... choice scarf. Its already quite a fast pokemon that can hit hard with great moveset options and great stab into psychic types. However i gave it scarf for the reason of scarf destiny bond incredibly successful would allow me to take out massive threats to the team without too much worry even against smarter opponents they had to play a guessing game of either eating a hit from gengars awesome stats and movepool normally 2 hits or take the risk and go for the kill it always got at least one often times more and was the 3rd most complained abojt mon on the entire team and is the one i personally recommend for the last slot!
Any thoughts or questions lemme know!
I appreciate the insight! It’s nice to get a take from an experienced gym leader!
I think my teams often suffer from my goal to fit a type’s particular _vibe_. Crobat? Fits the vibe. But as an actual team member I can definitely see its shortcomings. You could probably tell I slightly regretted not including Nidoking. In hindsight looking at calcs it’s just so so good. Maybe once I’m done with this series I’ll go back and do a “revising the gym leader teams” video. If I do I’m definitely using your comment as reference for Poison ☠️
Well... Time for me to speedrun building a poison team to see how mine is different.
yes, it was super fun to compare my poison team in scarlet to this team.
but 6 pokemon is too few, you get far too much XP, so i ended up training a bunch...
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(don't click more if you'd rather not see my list before your run)
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amoonguss, revavroom, salazzle, toxtricity, clodsire, skuntank, gengar, dragalge, toxipex, glimmora
(all available in the scarlet base game)
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dragalage and toxtricity underperformed, but the rest were a lot of fun.
@@andy4an Huh, Dragalge did great on my Dragon run.
"Whether gym teams are too easy, or Pokémon players just need to touch grass"
It's both, trust me, it's both.
I did a similar thing when making competitive mono-type teams. My rules were that all pokemon need to have 1 type of their speciality, and 1 pokemon that is not of the type speciality, but makes great use of the type speciality.
1)Toxapex (Wall)
2)Nidoking (Physical Sweeper)
3)Gengar (Special Attacker)
4)Amoonguss (Support)
5)Scolipede (Baton Passer)
6)"Toxic Boost" Zangoose (Ace)
I like the idea of thematic additions - not something of the type but related. The doughnut dog at a fire gym etc. The interactions of the elements are close enough that it wouldn’t be uncanny while giving some more options to types with little mons
@@facelessnameless yeah, I specifically chose Zangoose as it’s Hidden Ability Toxic Boost turns the status condition that plagues the enemy into a massive buff. While Zangoose doesn’t have the best stats, the Scolipede with Speed Boost, protecting and Substituting, and also using Swords Dance to boost its attack on a free turn, then Baton Passing all the buffed Attack and Speed onto Zangoose would make Zangoose an ultimate sweeper.
I made this team more for an annoying competitive build rather than a gym leader, but I felt it was good to show my version.
With Zangoose not actually being a Poison type, I could totally see this as a Paldean Gym leader team where Zangoose terastallizes into a Poison type (after one turn of Protect to make sure that the Toxic Orb does indeed proc). Very gimmicky, but I love it.
I think Gliscor fits better as the non-Poison.
Zangoose has a Poison-themed ability because it hates a particular Poison type.
Gliscor has a Poison-themed ability because it would have been also a Poison type if Pokemon can have three types (it's a scorpion after all), but it can't so it settled with its Poison ability.
@@facelessnamelessthat definitely gives a charm with some of the gym leaders.
I thank you for this team as a poison type enjoyer. I sincerely think poison is the most underrated type ever and should get more use and view.
This is the one ive been waiting for. Have been a poison trainer since gen 1. I am so happy everytime a new episode in this series comes out. Please keep it up!
13:45 that animation of Rika and Clodsire melted my heart bro
I strongly disagree on not taking Toxapex, but other than that, I think this team is pretty solid, though I am also slightly annoyed by the fact that this team does not have Hex nor Venoshock
it would be so fun to subvert expectations and add a Venoshock + Merciless toxapex instead of Regen lol
"Some of you may hate this pokemon because if Team Star-" Nah man, I love my boy Star Scream, even without the starmobiles.
I didn’t even know this pokemon was unpopular. Do you think he's projecting?
@@intergalactic92 No, some people actually do hate em
That nickname is genius. However I would watch out since it will declared itself your ace if your actual ace trips on a rock.
@@konradklukowski1009 Magnet rise or tera flying, why do you think I named him after a jet decepticon?
@@IronVigilante451 that is genius..
Also sorry I had to do this;
THE STARTER HAS FALLEN, NOW I STARSCREAM AM THE TEAM LEADER.
imo gliscore is an honorary poison type since it has poison heal, is a scorpion and it's signature attack is toxic lol. I wouldn't get shocked if I saw it in a poison type gym ngl
besides thematic reasons, Gliscor could be a really good coverage option for a league where gym leaders get to bring an off-type wildcard mon
earthquake needs no introduction, its part flying type lets it ignore ground moves, and it can spam knock off until all your items/psychic types are gone
and it has a lot of utility potential; there’s a reason it replaced Landorus-T in formats where Lando isn’t available (and I’m pretty sure it was in the same tier during at least some parts of the SV meta)
also Gliscor is cute and I want to pet it
@@specs.weedle Both Lando T and Gliscor are OU as of the current SV meta on smogon, with Lando T being the 6th most used pokemon, and Gliscor being the 16th out of 39.
My poison team would've been much more grass and stall based, but a strong mon I was surprised didn't even get mentioned was Sneasler. It's quad weak to Psychic type, but the rest of my team composition makes psychic a joke, so Sneasler would very much serve as a mid to late game sweeper
right? this is a very offensive and fast team for a type that is so defensive
amoogus and toxipex are s-tier defensive pokemon
I've always thought that a poison type Gym Leader could potentially be very nasty and have been saddened by the fact that they're not. Nice job at doing so!
In all honestly, I would opt for a white herb + curse + acrobatics setup for Crobat instead of super fang. Dealing half of the enemies health isn’t super important, especially compared to a set up pokemon with high amounts of speed and bulk, and more often than not if you have a matchup you don’t want to face against, you just u-turn out. Having a bulkier set compliments nicely with roost, in addition to acrobatics which doubles your damage to 110 when you have no item. Better than fly I think. Just a thought.
Agreed, this would be dope
Also makes room for acrobatics flying stab which feels better than most of the other options (to me anyway... But I'm biased, love me a bit of acro spam)
@@geekorino Oh yeh that was literally what I was about to write, idk why I forgot to include acrobatics. In all honesty, I copied the setup from haydunn on RUclips. Edited it now.
Intimidate would ruin your strategy
@@xbattlecatx So? You want the gym leader to be unbeatable?
I really like this series. I always wished the gym leaders were more challenging and had actually thought out teams. I’d love to see all of these modded into a game one day.
Just wait until RPG maker XP is onsale and you can be the change in the world you want to see
you know, i find the idea over overqwill being the ace of a Leader who looks just as awkwardly proportioned and almost adorably clumsy very fitting, maybe not for the type, but the aesthetic of looking hyper defensive, whilst having a lethality just beneath the surface. poison may be a defensive type, but a lot of mons also have offensive sets that can take out atleast one mon. having a surprise reverse sweeper makes sense.
Could go well with an aristocratic gym leader who looks like a harmless mother/grandmother who just enjoys cooking, but may or may not have a lot of unpleasant guests overindulging themselves on confections and end up quite sick. Of course, she'll make sure to take good care of them until they're feeling better...
Basically, a very wolf in sheep's clothing style of character with a nice big smile and soft round face (and if you get them angry enough to break character they might even puff up like an Overquil)
I love the doggy picks at the end. They make me feel like I'm being rewarded for watching a video I would watch anyways.
Random thing but Roxie's bassist in her PUNK ROCK BAND "Billy Jo" is likely a sort of easter egg referencing Billy Joe, the lead singer and guitarist of Green Day, likely the biggest punk rock band ever.
I like how you started with the types that are not usually given the spotlight
I kinda like the song for Roxie's Gym in the Japanese version of the game. Instead of just a general song about Pokémon, it's about their mascot Pokémon: Koffing.
Maybe too fancy for a gym leaders team, but I was muttering “Baton Pass” throughout the entire Scolipede explanation 😅
Considering how Raihan has a team that has good synergy, I think Nintendo might start using tournament strategies but worsened to not make it insanely difficult for younger players
@@mariachi3217They were this close to having a cohesive champion team in Paldea if they had Glimmora lead off.
@@martytu20 And Kingambit end.
Toxapex is actually a really potent threat with merciless allowing it to launch crit liquidation into the enemys poisoned pokemon
This is great, but when are we getting the real perfect gym type list? The Dog Type Gym!
Honestly, good video, can't wait to see the dark one, or the flying one!
Funny, you asked what pokemon comes to mind first for a poison type, and I INSTANTLY went "skuntank, obviously!" I am sad to see Nidoking/Nidoqueen and Skuntank not on the team, but I do understand their omission. The team is very well thought out! Maybe I'll do my own poison-team build in one of my games just so I can give my big skunk some love.
15:54 personally and maybe its just my style but id give slowking a different moveset i thought when you were introducing it as the hexpert because you were giving it hex and venoshock to double down on poison perhaps with psychic noise to shut down recovery on some wall that maybe only got poisoned instead of badly poisoned and then of course whatever coverage move you want because obviously its keeping assault vest
19:47 Hell naw they forgot to draw her right pupil
Roxie was my favorite gym leader back in the day I'm so glad the PWT could beef up her team
The script on this was awesome! The puns etc… just awesome! New sub for sure!
I really liked the Overquil pick. I think it rounds out the team well that was, in my opinion, very coverage or support heavy. I understand that coverage is good and necessary, but there's something about a gym leader not dishing out poison moves that doesn't sit well with me. Loved the team! Gotta go watch the other gym vidoes now!
Was waiting for this, Poison types are my favorite.
Im going to make a prediction before watching and say Garlarian Weezing will be on the team. If they aren't I'll be sad and make my own Poison monotype team... with Galar Weezing, and Loaded Dice, and Salazzles!
WAIT CLODSIRE IS AN HONORABLE MENTION?
We do love Galar Slowking though. What a gift to the poison typing
Nvm I'm straight up crying
Galarian Slowking with toxic spikes and clear smog! Levitate or Neutralizing Gas
Alolan Muk and Overqwil are badass too though. I lobe my funny muk but Overqwil smacks.
poison type is probably favorite time in game and scolipede is one of my favorite pokemon of all time so i was so excited when i clicked on this video!!!
Today I learned that Scoliopede can learn Aqua Tail. I don't know why, but I remembered it learning Water Pulse instead. I recall it being able to learn a Water-type move, but just forgot it was Aqua Tail.
I think you did a good job of picking tbh. No five Pokemon share a weakness, and you've got the counters covered.
My team would be:
Overqwil as the lead, hazard setter, and Psychic counter. Scolipede is amazing but I really want two Dark types.
Muk-Alola. Two Dark types that will spell trouble against a Psychic type that wants to sweep the team.
Weezing-Galar as the Ground immunity. I don't see much value in a Flying type in the team, since most of its resists are shared with Poison. While Fairy counters better types like Dragon.
Venusaur as Ground counter. Chose him over other Grass-Poisons because of the good balance of offensive and defensive stats and access to coverage.
Nidoking as Poison/Steel counter and general powerhouse.
Sneasler as the hardest hitter and Steel-type counter. This would be the ace. It'll destroy almost anything in front of it.
Lots of Pokemon with good defenses to emphasize Poison's strengths in whittling down the enemy, then two offensive powerhouses that will clean after them.
I would have really loved Toxapex in the team, and tbh the ones you chose are all great too. So many good choices!
This video really reminded me how much I love the Poison Type
A list with all my favourite poison types amazing! Scolipede, Revavroom, Salazzle, Galarian Slowbro. Awesome list.
If anything, Team Star made me love Revavroom more lol. Such a unique Pokemon design, and super fun to use in battle.
Before Gen 9 I was waiting for a Poison/Steel Type Pokemon and when Revavroom came out I liked it even if it's not as defensive as I imagined but still good no matter what.
This has become my favorite RUclips series. Please don't stop, I love it ❤
this has been one of my favourite pokemon video series ! not only do i feel you present your information in an easy to understand way for non comp pokemon fans, i feel i learn a lot from you! your voice is also gentle and soothing to hear and your choice of clips for editing purposes along with your dialogue are so silly and fitting! i’m excited to see you continue on with the series!
thanks for another fun and interesting gym type video. I liked the twist with some Pokémon not having poison attack moves, It's these videos that made me subscribe.
The only 3 changes i would do is give Scolipede rock slide instead of aqua tail because it covers more types together with earthquake and would help Scolipede with flying types.
I also think Salazzle could instead of substitute have venoshock that doubles its power to 130 on poisoned Pokémon, and since it's expected to be poisoned from toxic spikes, that comes to it's favor. And if the opponent is expected to switch to a flying, poison or steel type, Salazzle can have a guarantied poison opponent with toxic's help no matter the type. I think that would make Salazzle more likely to last longer because if you can tank its fire, there more likely to be a free ko with a manageable risk.
And finally, I'm not sure if you forgot or if i missed what item Overquill would have, but i would give them either a sucha berry for resistance of the only super effective type or a rocky helmet to chip away some health from physical hits Overquill can take that would build up with poison status.
keep up the good work and I hope to see grass types get justice next time.
I really enjoy these vids and look foward to the rest of the types
Weezing is a must have for me as a much needed ground immunity, Crobat is not enough with 2 4x weaknesses. Instead of slowking, I would definitely want Alolan Muk, Skuntank, Drapion, or Overqwil. A poison dark is a non-negotiable
I'm a Throat Chop enthusiast whenever possible and I say Overquil should've had Throat Chop. Same power as Crunch but suppresses sound moves, so it even plays into the theme of hindering the opponent
I know you said you didn't want to use Toxapex because it is too defensive and passive, but here's the thing, it doesn't have to.
Toxapex gets access to the Merciless ability, which gives guaranteed crits vs poisoned pokemon. It also gets access to Venoshock, a 130 bp move vs poisoned pokemon. Combine the two and you'll get a 130 pb move that always crits (getting a x1.5 boost and ignoring stat changes because of it) comming off a pokemon with an excelent defensive profile that will be hard to KO.
You can round the moveset up with Ice Beam, Baneful Bunker, and the last move is personal preference.
With this, Toxapex is no longer a passive wall, but a wall that can constantly apply pressure, even though it has poor offensive stats.
Yes! My second favorite Type! Now do Fighting next, and maybe Rock after please!
Very much loving this series!
With the rise of Cobblemon (Minecraft/Pokemon mod) I’ve been itching to create NPC gym leaders for friends to battle, but didn’t want to recreate old gym leaders since they haven’t posed too much challenge for the beefed up Player Teams. Plus, need to spice things up, see new dynamics! This series gives a lot of amazing ideas and insight on how to best showcase type themes!
I can’t wait to say “yeah, this is the poison team” and then watch my buddy get rocked by planned ahead super effective coverage. XD
Thank you again very much for the effort you’re putting into this series, and I can’t wait to see what’s next!
Also super love the no mechanic gimmicks, since Cobblemon doesn’t really do Z-Moves, Terra-types, etc. There’s an extra mod for mega, but, it’s just not all there yet.
Im kinda surprised there was no pokemon with Venoshock? I feel like it would have been a good move to have considering your opponents would be poisoned most of the time.
Eyyy lucky I just opened. Love your videos!!! I look forward to all of them. I love team building and your teams are always very creative. I love how you build around the essence of each type and I look forward to seeing what each types will be!
This series is so frkn good. Actually peak pokemon content over the 50th randomised starter battle
Can barely wait for the dark and electric types
"Poison is a defensive type by nature."
GameFreak making another poison glass cannon because ninjas: "You also said ice types aren't so strong they shouldn't be saved for endgame; so you're clearly full of sh-t."
I think Overquil is actually a pretty good ace! I dont know, something about the way it looked as a sillouhette when you revealed which poison/dark you picked for this team had this danger factor thats very poison to me. Like, it kinda reminded me of poison labels for some reason? Also, the name carries it too. I'm looking forward to your electric and ghost videos though!! Poison, electric, and ghost are my top 3 favorite types so I was really excited to see this come out.
Thank you for doing my favorite type the justice it deserves
you know its gonna be a good day when shep posts
As for my actual feedback and answering your question, I think it's quite solid. Nidoking and Queen are iconic (im a gen 1 lover) but they dont have the style points.
As not as good of a Pokemon as it is, I feel like Toxtricity (Amped Form) could replace one of the offensive types, like Salazzle. Although Ground is immune to Electric, Toxtricity in its design is very unique and a pokemon I feel would fit that iconic, associated with the gym leader type. Sound as a (sub-type, or status? something) is also something you don't see often and hasn't really been given the exploration it deserves in the Pokemon franchise.
You could go with a mix up and with its close stats in both Attack and Special Attack, having both also suits it as an all rounder.
Overdrive and Boomburst for theming and raw power.
While its no Flamethrower, you can employ both Attack and Fire with Fire Punch.
Then your choice of Poison offensive move like Sludge Bomb or Gunk Shot, or you could go Shift Gear for a stat up which also helps with the base 75 speed. Pair this with a choice item, I'd probably go Scarf with 252 EVs into Speed to help him out. He won't outspeed a lot of the other competitive Pokemon, but I'd take him.
You could also go Low Key and use Magnetic Flux to play into the defensive theming of Poison, although apart from that I'd also go with the above build or similar. He's not an very defensive Mon.
This team is very intresting...
However...
I have one that makes even mono steel and ground ragequit:
Overqwil (lead)
Item: Black Sludge
Ability: Intimidate
Moves:
- Barb Barrage
- Crunch
- Protect/ Spikes
- Toxic Spikes
Toxapex
Item: Rocky Helmet
Ability: Regenerator
Moves:
- Scald
- Toxic
- Recover
- Haze/ Knock Off
Amoonguss
Item: Red Card
Ability: Regenerator
Moves:
- Spore
- Giga Drain
- Foul Play
- Synthesis
Slowking-Galar
Item: Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
Moves:
- Future Sight
- Flamethrower
- Ice Beam
- surf
Weezing-Galar
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
Moves:
- Strange Steam
- Defog
- Pain Split
- Will-O-Wisp
Salazzle (ace) (shiny)
Item: Focus Sash/ Air Balloon
Ability: Corrosion
Moves:
- Toxic
- Flamethrower
- Encore/ Nasty Plot
- Substitute
Edit: i'll swap Overqwill with Alolan Muk
(T-Spikes are lowkey overrated on stall + Toxapex can learn them too)
That was such a unique and stylish team, already got me excited for the electric type gym leader in the future!
Amazing video as always! For the Team's Ace, Toxapex could be a good pick, but with the Merciless ability instead of the usual Regenerator since it's the last pokemon. Venoshock deserves some love on the team, and combined with Merciless crits could deal some decent damage. Add Baneful Bunker and Recover, it could really exemplify Poison as a defensive type that relies on status.
I think the some of the team members could have Hex.
Slowking with that crazy type coverage just tickles a funny part of my brain.
LOVE how you make your videos so clean , please release more often , I know I’m asking a lot lol
First: Hi Ho Horse is a typo lol, you meant Hi Ho Power.
Second: I really like this list and you did a good job with the other two as well. My only gripe would have been to include toxapex because it is a fairly iconic poison type with its signature baneful bunker perfectly representing the type with both defense through Protect and then poisoning you. It's also because it wouldn't fit on a water team because water is already (I'm pretty sure at least) a very bulky type.
Toxapex Ability Merciless makes all attacks on Poisoned Pokemon Critical Hits and makes up for it's low Attack Stats.
This series brought me back to Pokemon! I need more!
i JUST ran a poison team run in Scarlet.
there are so many good ones, and it was hard to hold myself to 6
ended up rotating through:
amoonguss, revavroom, salazzle, toxtricity, clodsire, skuntank, gengar, dragalge, toxipex, glimmora
i wished MANY times that scarlet had access to crobat for a fast flying type imune to ground.
I also wished it had access to Sneasler for fast fighting STAB (and because "dire claw" looks super fun). I never even tried toxicroak, because it was so shit in my fighting-type run
amoonguss was my main defense against earthquake, which still chunks it, so ground was an issue, almost the entire run long (but i like such challenges)
revavroom was super fun, and has so many options! very hard to pick a move set.
all that said, the most fun poison type to me was PECHARUNT! i had a ball using it in the second DLC.
I enjoyed this, thanks for making it! I’ve always thought being a gym leader would be a dope gig. I’ve thought up teams sorta like you have here. I’m gonna watch your other gym videos
My favourite type! I just discovered your content today and I love it, even though my favourite (Dragalge) didn't make it!
Can’t wait to see my favorite type, fighting! Super fun and interesting thought experiment videos, keep it up!
ShepskyDad posted a gym leader video! My day is saved!
scolipede may be my favorite pokemon, stoked he made the list! I used to think overqwil was stupid but then i actually played legends arceus and something about seeing that goober in 3D really did it for me. awesome team!
Glimora is really the obvious lead for a hazard stack team, then build the rest of the team around punishing being poisoned with venoshock/hex Gengar
Been looking forward to this. Poison's been my favorite type for a while.
I loved this concept of video so much that i made my own perfect gym leader team for almost every type
Fun to see that we have 3 mon in common for poison type :)
Looking forward for the next one, plus im curious about how you'll handle certain types that i found harder to "grasp"
YESSS IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS SERIES TO COME BACK
long day of work, come home to a video about my favorite type! let's go!
I was part of a group that made mono type teams and played them against each other. I was the poison guy and had a blast. Tentacruel was my favorite Pokémon and a menace on the team.
Man I love this series!! I hope to see a steel type gym soon, as it's my favourite type and, as it is not overlooked because of its sheer power defensively, its pokemon are often overlooked.
Great team! You forgot to tell the ability and item on overqwill, but i guess it's intimidate and life orb.
I would definitively use focus sash on solicopedee, i think revavroom will more appreciate an air ballon
This video is such a treat for me! As someone who's favorite type is Poison and her favorite Pokémon are Scolipede and Clodsire, I LOVE THIS!! While I am a bit offended that Clods didn't make the cut, the fact that Scolipede ended up as your lead *AND* you showed off her shiny-the thing that made me adore her in the first place-more than makes up for it.
Personally, I much prefer interpreting Poison as a very punk rock type. The way it's opposed against Steel types (industry), has Pokémon who represent both pollution and venom (Koffing and Arbok for example), and the existence of Roxie and Toxtricity just make it feel very anti-establishment in a loud, aggressive way. I also like how in Gen 1, it was the stand in for the villain type and I'm very upset with the Dark type for taking that away (and also for being a trash, redundant type in general and creates a thematic discrepancy due to the existence of a _literal_ "evil" type but that is a rant for another day).
Also, while Poison _is kind of_ a defensive type, it's never really felt that way to me. Think about the real world: animals primarily use poison to either deter predators or gurantee a kill with just one bite. This is why humans are so spooked by toxic animals in a way that's different from more grizzly animals. You can run from a bear, or even kill it. You can't run from poison in your body. I feel like it'd be more appropriate for there to be a move that would apply a variant of Poison that damages a Pokémon outside of battle or maybe a version of Pursuit with say 70 Power that only works on Poisoned foes.
Love the concept for this series. Ton of fun & it would definitely be really cool if the teams of the gym leaders were this well designed.
Though it would be a lot of work, it might be interesting to take this concept further and design gym leader teams for each generation...and if you really want to milk this for all it's worth...include each generation's Champion & Elite 4.
That's one hell of a team, though i would make some slight adjustments.
I'd have the lead Pokémon be Glimmora. Toxic Debris is just a great way to set up T. Spikes, if a little risky. For that reason, I'd make the moveset Toxic Spikes, Energy Ball, Mortal Spin, and Spiky Shield, with a held Focus Sash.
Toxic Spikes makes any physical attack against you a chance to instantly set up two layers for easy toxic poison, and a sash ensures you can at least set up one layer. Spiky Shield can help punish contact moves with extra chip damage, and Energy Ball os a solid option to punish Ground leads. Mortal Spin is just a way to leave a parting gift, since Glimmora isnt really supposed to last overly long
Great team, only change I would make is Drapion vs overquill. Battle Armor assault vest or scope lense sniper sets are Hard to deal with. Especially with it formerly having aqua tail and the elemental fangs and more.
I agree with everything but I'd giving glowking future sight instead, it'd compliment its ability to leave while still providing damage and also works with other mons like crobat and uturn to keep up non stop momentum
Love these mono type team building videos, hope you make more
Slowking feels like an ace that would get shuffled through the actual battle to get use from Regenerator. But maybe that’s because I like the design so much
If thought about this ALOT. My team for your Showdown consideration. Mind you, I stopped playing after gen vi and happy to answer any questions about choices. My lead off was usually Nidoqueen or Scollipede and my signature Ace was Crobat.
Kalis (Crobat) @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Infiltrator
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Toxic
- Roost
- Brave Bird
- Super Fang
Foxglove (Scolipede) @ Leftovers
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Toxic
- Protect
- Substitute
- Pin Missile
Belladona (Nidoqueen) @ Black Sludge
Ability: Sheer Force
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 Def
Relaxed Nature
- Ice Beam
- Rock Slide
- Dragon Tail
- Stealth Rock
Nightshade (Drapion) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Battle Armor
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Knock Off
- Rock Slide
- Poison Jab
- Fire Fang
Hemlock (Nidoking) @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Ice Beam
- Fire Blast
- Earth Power
- Sludge Wave
Nightwalker (Venusaur-Mega) @ Venusaurite
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 232 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 20 Spe
Modest Nature
- Giga Drain
- Leech Seed
- Sludge Bomb
- Grassy Terrain
YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SAY MEGA BEFORE YOU SAY THE NAME, NOT AFTER!
Really nice! Due to me not knowing much about the other poison type mons after Sun and Moon, there was a lot of new ideas and interesting information about them that got me thinking of some new ideas for Poison Type Team set ups.
Personally this is usually my own team I would run with on some rom hacks of previous gens.
Crobat, Nidoking or Nidequeen, Tentacruel, Drapion, Venusaur (if I can get away with it, make it into Mega Venasaur), and Salazzle.
Depending on the situation usually leading with either Venusaur or Drapion for stall and/or just start out swinging.
Venosaur being my classic Leech Seed, Growth or Curse (usually Growth), and Giga/Mega Drain. With the final move being Body Slam (if avaialble), Earthquake (if available), or some move that might spread either Paralysis or Confusion. I lost count how many times I won by just being a stall machine with Mega Venusaur, though there were times I ran into infamous and potent wall breakers that made me sweat hard in fear. Black Sludge or Leftovers for it if I cannot have the Mega Evolution.
Drapion usually being my T.Spikes user and with Battle Armor, just start swinging with High Crit Ratio moves like Night Slash (Sometimes I'll switch for a Sucker Punch), X-Scissor, or Cross Poison. If I'm feeling very lucky, try to finish off someone with Fell Stinger. High HP and Phy.Def. Item. Either Black Sludge or Scope Lens for the higher Crit hits.
Crobat, either a full Sp.Atk or Atker with some bulk along with its natural high speed (sometimes I'll go Adamant and spec into full atk and spd for suicide Brave Birds) Hard for items on this one. I heard about Heavy Duty Boots, but I usually would just go for a Type Gem and go for that smashing revenge killer or wall breaking strike. Kind of funny to mix Crobat with Flying Gem and Acrobatics for that cheap shot.
The Nidos I abuse with Sheer Force/Life Orb with them being an attacker type that is opposite of Crobat, depending on situation and valuable resources. I usually prefer using
Nidoking for the more offense over defense stance of things. Stab Poison Jab or Sludge Wave, Stab Earthquake or Earth Power. For the last two moves I get creative with T.Bolt or T.Punch, and the last move I mess around with Ice Beam, Flame Thrower, or other moves that I maybe needing that can get the Sheer Force boost.
Tentacruel being my off hand Sp.Def staller with Acid Armor and Recover, along with abusing Scald and Sludge Bomb. Either a Water Boosting item or a Weakness Policy to get that extra boost and make the opponent regret hitting my weakness and I somehow survived it.
Salazzle is either the all out Sp.Atk sweeper or the obnoxious Poison/Badly Poison spreader with her Corrosion chipping away at everyone. Unsure for the item, but usually I'd go with a Choice Specs or something to boost her Special Atk. Though I had a few times ran her with Taunt, Toxic, two high damaging special attacks like Flamethrower and Venoshock, and holding Focus Sash to mess around as my alter lead to mess with my opponents. Quite funny when someone gets Venoshocked after switching in to T.Spikes.
Thanks for the video! Going to look up those mentioned poison types you have on your poison team and see if I can make new adjustments with mine.
I remember back in the Pokémon stadium days most of the Pokémon using Toxic also used Protect or Dig
I recently finished my first mono-type run, inspired by this channel and the type I chose was poison, so this was really fun to see. :)
you should make a shepsky-mon video! what type and stats would your dog have if he were a pokemon?
Give dragon dance
If the gym leader played in doubles, you can make clodsire work with any surf user repeatedly healing it with its ability water absorb (preferably one that can also take advantage of trick room)
Poison is my favorite type! It's consistent and strong. Plus, it is only weak to Ground and Psychic types
TOXAPEX might actually be useful in the team with its abolity Merciless - A signature ability that every move it uses CRITS if the opponent is poisoned - even though Toxapex's offenses are abysmal having a critical damage every makes it better offensive and defensive at the same time
Critical hits definitely compensates for Toxipexs low Attack Stats.
I love this series so much, very entertaining and informativ at the same time. You also chose interesting to use Pokémon every video. ❤
Could you do dragon, rock or steel next?
i really like this series, good job on the build
I love these videos, I keep waiting for the next one and I only wish they were all out already. Please keep making them and then let’s put them all up against each other, how they’re intended to be used