I thought it was funny when Jonathan says to Walter, “I feel it may be bad luck for you to press it. Let’s give it to Flynn.” Then Flynn ends up destroying the world.
Yknow I used to hate this ending, but come to think of it knowing everything Flynn's gone through its understandable that he might just break down like this, it's the ending where the hero decides he's just wants the battle to end
He has the right to decide that for himself, but not for anyone other than that and certainly not for *everyone*. Imo this is the morally hardest to justify ending of any smt to date.
@@matthewkozlov928 he was literally sent as the savior, and deleting everything so nothing exists. no suffering, no agony, no arguments, no fighting, no corruption, no humans = no EVIL, and no demons = no CHAOS, no angels = no ORDER, therefore having nothing is better than everything combined! no wars, no fights, no tyranny, no dictators, no humans! = true peace! he couldn't have chosen better. and this "everyone" can go back to hell. Flynn is the chosen one, and his choice is all what matters. if not for this ending, i wouldn't play the game. order ending is tyrannic, and chaos ending, is just crazy, neutral ending is straight out evil and demonic! humans are NOT the highest priority, never were and never will be. therefore, simply put stopping everyone's suffering, and stopping the demons at the same time, and destroying all the human-made sins.. means deleting everything.. let's face it.. the only true path of eternal peace, IS if nothing exists at all. thus.. this choice is justified. and nobody has the right to criticize it. also just in case you wish to "bother" with a needless "rebuttal" i'm saving your energy.. blocked. good bye.
Yeah, this is Nihilist neutral, like, he is like on the Neutral path, but gave up once he got to the idea that he as a human was unable to help, so he took the offer... I can understand it, but the fact that he did not feared death in that point disturbs me, I would never choose that because I truly fear the death of others, and a personal permadeath, tbh, I would never do this ending unless I cant do neutral, because I truly hate the other 2 endings and this is less sick, tbh
@@TrueInvisible Bruh, this is Neutral but Nihilist, the idea, also, everything happened because the appeareance of demons and angels out of the nowhere, the world was kind of ok at that point.
Also, she truly shows fear on her tone. Like, Burroughs knowing this is a bad Idea, but being with you because thats her pourpose, so she stays silent, because she does not have a position to argue To make an AI to fear death, that's disturbing
More like she was scared... I mean, I would If I were an AI, but because her sole purpose is to give asistance she did not have a position to argue, and well... She says "Your objective" on the other 3 paths someone else asks you to help, in this one you are given a direct choice, so this time its not a quest, is your path
Is anyone gonna mention that people were just using this machine that has the potential to annihilate all of reality as a generator, and nobody raised much of a fuss?
Really late reply, but if you play Apocalypse you find out that nobody has any real idea what the reactor truly is except for the White themselves, because they were the ones who created it. Kind of ironic that their ultimate plan is to destroy the thing they made, but you can definitely see the religious overtones.
"Everything is gone..." Those three words will haunt me forever. Sure, Flynn freed the world from the constant battle between YHVH and Lucifer, but only because he destroyed everything. Regardless of what ending you get, the war between Law and Chaos will start up again, sure. But to reduce the world to nonexistence? That will haunt me to my very core.
True, I mean, I just did it because I was stuck on law. But In real life I would have said no, I mean, the sole idea of killing everything for my will is as bad as the angels or demons
even with how utterly bleak as this ending is i find it fascinating. certainly not a good first ending to get but when you realise how hopeless the future is following each of the other endings, its a real damn impactful one, probably the only one where humanity dictates its own fate. goated game
This ending makes me think very deeply. Like, a world without suffering even if it means not existing is still better than to live under constant suffering. But by not existing you can't experience joy or pleasure as well. It would be the ultimate stagnation. I guess it really depends on how you feel at the moment and what is your perspective for the future. During some heavy pain crisis I had caused by health problems I wished to die so it could all end, and it was when I reflected about this thing. Which is better? To end it all but not experiencing either bad or good things at all. Or to endure the pain but find joy and pleasure here and there once in a while? Hard decision to take considering when experiencing imense pain you can't think too clearly because all you want is for the pain to stop.
Look at us humans, we all die, to birth is to condemn to death, it is a selfish desire, that sometimes…many times with people with deathly conditions pass on fully conscious as its their selfish desire to experience at the cost of others, we have still wars, children being tortured and used for unspeakable stuff, adults too, religion has sparked wars, nationalities, money too…I would choose this to destroy humanity so we cant birth, conspire, use, torture, anymore, the only way to rid us of evil, because to continue is to condemn people to a cicle with no end, where the only constant is death and suffering, and even if you disagree, whats with the slave workers on poor contries and children? You would continue this, so you can live the way you want? Condemn people endlessly for slivers of enjoyment?
First time I got this ending was in my first run. I had taken a bit of a break from the game and continued to pick up from where I left off at. I wasn't really paying attention to the questions and I somehow came to this conclusion. I had to put the game down for a while again.
Being honest, I only made this ending because I hate the Chaos and Law so much that this is better, tbh, after I do Neutral maybe I will play apocalipse and thats it
this would have been more powerful if they didn't play any song over the credits, just silence as the staff rolls by... what a missed opportunity. pretty much sums up SMT4 as a whole: missed opportunity.
The 'everything is gone' phrase still hittin' hard, i feel so bad for those who Just want to be free after 25 years of conflict Just to disappear without a sense of hope to all of 'em... , This games is a Rng tho boo
White ending first cycle and never touching 4 again is probably the way to experience it. You end the game right before the story goes apeshit And you get the objective best (happier=\=better. Ironic that smt players hate bonds yet judge all endings in other games by how happy they are) ending in all of modern megaten. Man I wish it was MY experience 4, then i would like it as much as everyone else.
Idk, it's just a worse version of the TDE in Nocturne. In TDE there's at least the hope of a new universe after Lucifer kills YHVH, but here you're just erasing everything just because you can't stand the endless cycle of Law/Chaos. I can list multiple endings that all end the cycle forever that are better than this. The Musubi and Shijima endings in Nocturne, while both flawed in their own rights, still break the cycle. The New Law and New Chaos endings of Strange Journey Redux not only end the cycle, but are arguably the best endings in the series.
stupid suggestion, has the same energy as that twitter bugman saying the best avengers endgame experience is to get up and leave the theater after thanos snaps
@@youngkappakhan k bandwagonner. Your input was very needed, what a very intelligent comparison that couldn’t come from anyone but a little bandwagon hopping kid who jumped on Megaten with Nocturne HD because he heard it’s a « cool kids » game. Did you recently hop on metal gear rising too? Go back to jerking off to strange journey new neutral because you’re a braindead sheep who can’t think outside of what the narrative wants you to. It is factually the worst ending but it’s okay because it paints ME, my self insert character, in a good way 🤓. But IV white and law are actually complex endings that suggest my self insert is not perfect? TRASH! But Persona fans bad for doing the same!
And the Most Fruitless, The whites wants to return ALL to nothingness, the Reactor only stops at their universe, Litterly every other World in and out of the Amala Network remains Untouched
God: oh no, the universe is gone.... oh well. I can just call the souls of the faithful to join me in Heaven and create a new universe to replace the old one.
@@christopherbravo1813 I think that they destroy reality not only universe. Like it was before big bang. No light, no darkness, no god. Just nothing. That should be the idea. You rebel against god's plan, but refuse to side with Lucifer. So you return all to nothing, rather than let mankind to be slaves of order or pawns of chaos. And it's not really God. In this game it's based on hebrew "YHVH". I read that if you aren't jew, it's impossible to pronounce his name.
@@googleuser9013 the Hebrew God and the Christian God are one and the same. also, I seriously doubt that a manmade machine can affect even the spiritual realms.
you chose the white ending because you thought the game was shit i chose the white ending because it is literally the best option for the law/chaos cycle. (and because i couldn't handle the difficulty, but in insight, it was mostly out of my perspective of tokyo's situation) we are not the same
Considering SMT IV Apocalypse comes after the canonical ending of SMT IV's neutral ending, and they have the peace ending there, Neutral is technically the best end you can get because it leads to SMT IV's good ending.
@@christopherbravo1813 you must understand, i never wanted to save anyone. i see this as happy because i am robbing them of the salvation they dont deserve
@@alexanderleonardi3625 okay psychopath, if that's your logic then you're failing horribly at it. if you want to rob people of salvation, i'd suggest the chaos ending.
sorry whitef(riend)s! cringe nihilism is not the best outcome, this only destroys one of infinite universes and the cycle upheld by the Great Will continues on regardless
Who cares if it’s the best outcome or not when it’s decently written, or rather it ends earlier which means you miss the bad parts. Because IV easily peaked at the Reverse Hills and Blasted/Infernal Tokyo segments then it went crashing downhill in quality. For example Neutral is the worst outcome in SMT1, but it’s the best narratively. Back to your Avengers comparison, the suggestion to leave after Thanos snaps would make sense if the rest of the movie did suck. It’s like stopping Attack on Titan after the basement reveal, everything after is hot garbage so it’s better to leave it unfinished than have it ruined. Though the white ending is a complete ending so it’s even better.
@@smtandearthboundsuck8400 moreover you are literally the only person here complaining about the game, I don't give a shit about your opinion, i was not accounting for your input and had zero intent to do so when i said this
Wait for enough people you know to die. Pray it isn't cancer, murder, suicide or car crashes, again and again and again. Enough shit happens you see it for what it is. Getting repeatedly raped up the ass as a child can help with that, too. Sure did wonders for my own awareness.
Since an eternity of nothingness is waiting for us all anyway, I sure hope it's peaceful. It'd suck for so many people I know to have lived shit lives, gotten cancer, killed themselves or gotten violently killed just for death to suck too. God fucking damn I want nothingness. Reality is a cannibal rapist that even children aren't safe from.
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I thought it was funny when Jonathan says to Walter, “I feel it may be bad luck for you to press it. Let’s give it to Flynn.” Then Flynn ends up destroying the world.
the best luck there is
@@alexanderleonardi3625 whats luck is there he killed everyone
@@MisterLackLustre thats the best kind there is
@@lyraspasar649 way to ruin it
Curb your alignment.
“You can now play as Luigi”
"Right?"
Yknow I used to hate this ending, but come to think of it knowing everything Flynn's gone through its understandable that he might just break down like this, it's the ending where the hero decides he's just wants the battle to end
He has the right to decide that for himself, but not for anyone other than that and certainly not for *everyone*. Imo this is the morally hardest to justify ending of any smt to date.
@@matthewkozlov928 he was literally sent as the savior, and deleting everything so nothing exists. no suffering, no agony, no arguments, no fighting, no corruption, no humans = no EVIL, and no demons = no CHAOS, no angels = no ORDER, therefore having nothing is better than everything combined! no wars, no fights, no tyranny, no dictators, no humans! = true peace!
he couldn't have chosen better. and this "everyone" can go back to hell. Flynn is the chosen one, and his choice is all what matters. if not for this ending, i wouldn't play the game. order ending is tyrannic, and chaos ending, is just crazy, neutral ending is straight out evil and demonic! humans are NOT the highest priority, never were and never will be.
therefore, simply put stopping everyone's suffering, and stopping the demons at the same time, and destroying all the human-made sins.. means deleting everything.. let's face it.. the only true path of eternal peace, IS if nothing exists at all. thus.. this choice is justified. and nobody has the right to criticize it. also just in case you wish to "bother" with a needless "rebuttal" i'm saving your energy.. blocked. good bye.
Yeah, this is Nihilist neutral, like, he is like on the Neutral path, but gave up once he got to the idea that he as a human was unable to help, so he took the offer...
I can understand it, but the fact that he did not feared death in that point disturbs me, I would never choose that because I truly fear the death of others, and a personal permadeath, tbh, I would never do this ending unless I cant do neutral, because I truly hate the other 2 endings and this is less sick, tbh
@@TrueInvisible Bruh, this is Neutral but Nihilist, the idea, also, everything happened because the appeareance of demons and angels out of the nowhere, the world was kind of ok at that point.
@@matthewkozlov928 True, I mean, I only got this ending because I got Stuck on the Law ending
ngl, burroughs voice actor did an excellent job in this ending, example, the way she says "the target has NO DEFENCES at all"
Also, she truly shows fear on her tone.
Like, Burroughs knowing this is a bad Idea, but being with you because thats her pourpose, so she stays silent, because she does not have a position to argue
To make an AI to fear death, that's disturbing
This is the "I got stuck with Walter and Jonathan at the Monochrome Forest instead of Stephen and decided to end the whole world instead" Ending
Burroughs is disappointed, she went from "Congratulations on completing the quest." to "Congratulations on completing your objectives."
More like she was scared...
I mean, I would If I were an AI, but because her sole purpose is to give asistance she did not have a position to argue, and well...
She says "Your objective" on the other 3 paths someone else asks you to help, in this one you are given a direct choice, so this time its not a quest, is your path
She's a neutral being, so pretty much she would be disappointed to see you turning everything into nothing just as an easy exit to the situation.
Is anyone gonna mention that people were just using this machine that has the potential to annihilate all of reality as a generator, and nobody raised much of a fuss?
to be fair its not like they has any other choice, Tokyo was pretty much a wasteland with no real way to generate energy
Really late reply, but if you play Apocalypse you find out that nobody has any real idea what the reactor truly is except for the White themselves, because they were the ones who created it. Kind of ironic that their ultimate plan is to destroy the thing they made, but you can definitely see the religious overtones.
Well, we human has been using nuclear reactor irl as well, even blown up once in russia yet we still using it
I mean, the fast travel system is taking a shortcut trough _literal, actual Hell_ so...
its not that much different from real life to be fair lol
"Everything is gone..."
Those three words will haunt me forever. Sure, Flynn freed the world from the constant battle between YHVH and Lucifer, but only because he destroyed everything. Regardless of what ending you get, the war between Law and Chaos will start up again, sure. But to reduce the world to nonexistence? That will haunt me to my very core.
I feel you, man. Damn near gave me an existential crisis when I first got this ending.
You guys are too worried. I eat "nothing" for breakfast.
It's the only ending where no conflict will ever be present again.
@@stellarkym thats gonna lead to gastrointestinal disorders
True, I mean, I just did it because I was stuck on law.
But In real life I would have said no, I mean, the sole idea of killing everything for my will is as bad as the angels or demons
even with how utterly bleak as this ending is i find it fascinating. certainly not a good first ending to get but when you realise how hopeless the future is following each of the other endings, its a real damn impactful one, probably the only one where humanity dictates its own fate. goated game
And thus Flynn successfully divided all of existence by 0
Just one world bruh
@@allmight9840 man imagine the Axiom just looking at the white hole after the White ending
@@chaoticfisherman373 bruh man
if Flynn was listening or could hear them Walter and Jonathan are probably like *_"FLYNN WHAT DID YOU DO"_*
6:04
You can tell that Burroughs is almost begging you to stop.
one more reason to continue
The Yamato reactor has no defenses at all, but... It does give you radiation poisoning.
Gotta admit that background looks creepy as hell when theres no enemies in front of you lol
“mordecai and rigby i need you to mow the lawn”
not even a minute later:
This ending makes me think very deeply.
Like, a world without suffering even if it means not existing is still better than to live under constant suffering.
But by not existing you can't experience joy or pleasure as well.
It would be the ultimate stagnation.
I guess it really depends on how you feel at the moment and what is your perspective for the future.
During some heavy pain crisis I had caused by health problems I wished to die so it could all end, and it was when I reflected about this thing.
Which is better?
To end it all but not experiencing either bad or good things at all.
Or to endure the pain but find joy and pleasure here and there once in a while?
Hard decision to take considering when experiencing imense pain you can't think too clearly because all you want is for the pain to stop.
Look at us humans, we all die, to birth is to condemn to death, it is a selfish desire, that sometimes…many times with people with deathly conditions pass on fully conscious as its their selfish desire to experience at the cost of others, we have still wars, children being tortured and used for unspeakable stuff, adults too, religion has sparked wars, nationalities, money too…I would choose this to destroy humanity so we cant birth, conspire, use, torture, anymore, the only way to rid us of evil, because to continue is to condemn people to a cicle with no end, where the only constant is death and suffering, and even if you disagree, whats with the slave workers on poor contries and children? You would continue this, so you can live the way you want? Condemn people endlessly for slivers of enjoyment?
And finally there was peace.
Insanely underrated comment.
At what cost
@@charlien6123 ...Everything. :)
When the homie says "Peace out"
First time I got this ending was in my first run. I had taken a bit of a break from the game and continued to pick up from where I left off at. I wasn't really paying attention to the questions and I somehow came to this conclusion. I had to put the game down for a while again.
HOLY SHIT SAME, I was playing in my bed, was 4am or something. My face was O-O the whole time
How to troll all of existence
We do a little bit of trolling
*White incident*
Unforseen Whitesequences
The music when you battling the reactor is very scary
Yes, tbh, it fits any self destructive path
flynn did a little too much trolling
Fuck Nihilism. All my homies believe in the indomidable human spirit.
W
Common Neutral W
Nihilism has it's place... but the want to reduce all to zero does not. If nothing matters, everything matters.
3:05 those laughs sound oddly sexual and i still have no idea why
Shin Megami Tensei IV: The end of Megami Tensei
“it all comes TUMBLING DOWN TUMBLING DOWN TUMBLING DOWN”
Shin Megami Tensei IV: Final-
Being honest, I only made this ending because I hate the Chaos and Law so much that this is better, tbh, after I do Neutral maybe I will play apocalipse and thats it
couldn't have asked for a BETTER ending than this! this is purely perfection! how lovely!
this would have been more powerful if they didn't play any song over the credits, just silence as the staff rolls by... what a missed opportunity. pretty much sums up SMT4 as a whole: missed opportunity.
The 'everything is gone' phrase still hittin' hard, i feel so bad for those who Just want to be free after 25 years of conflict Just to disappear without a sense of hope to all of 'em... , This games is a Rng tho boo
Strange Journey gameover screen. Bottom text
I was thinking exactly the same
For rejecting everything even love is rejected this sucks
Everything is gone...
Marvel's What If episode 4 has the same ending.
Nah, Strange unknowingly destroyed his universe
Our main character did this on purpose
What if Thanos started picking up Jazz music and accidentally snapped to the tune
White ending first cycle and never touching 4 again is probably the way to experience it.
You end the game right before the story goes apeshit
And you get the objective best (happier=\=better. Ironic that smt players hate bonds yet judge all endings in other games by how happy they are) ending in all of modern megaten.
Man I wish it was MY experience 4, then i would like it as much as everyone else.
Idk, it's just a worse version of the TDE in Nocturne. In TDE there's at least the hope of a new universe after Lucifer kills YHVH, but here you're just erasing everything just because you can't stand the endless cycle of Law/Chaos. I can list multiple endings that all end the cycle forever that are better than this. The Musubi and Shijima endings in Nocturne, while both flawed in their own rights, still break the cycle. The New Law and New Chaos endings of Strange Journey Redux not only end the cycle, but are arguably the best endings in the series.
stupid suggestion, has the same energy as that twitter bugman saying the best avengers endgame experience is to get up and leave the theater after thanos snaps
@@youngkappakhan k bandwagonner. Your input was very needed, what a very intelligent comparison that couldn’t come from anyone but a little bandwagon hopping kid who jumped on Megaten with Nocturne HD because he heard it’s a « cool kids » game. Did you recently hop on metal gear rising too?
Go back to jerking off to strange journey new neutral because you’re a braindead sheep who can’t think outside of what the narrative wants you to. It is factually the worst ending but it’s okay because it paints ME, my self insert character, in a good way 🤓.
But IV white and law are actually complex endings that suggest my self insert is not perfect? TRASH!
But Persona fans bad for doing the same!
my friend told me to upscale this. I said "okay," but i'm lying lol!!
BASED
This has to be one of the most disturbing endings ever.
And the Most Fruitless, The whites wants to return ALL to nothingness, the Reactor only stops at their universe, Litterly every other World in and out of the Amala Network remains Untouched
Yikes, what a bleak ending :O
the doomer ending
God: oh no, the universe is gone....
oh well. I can just call the souls of the faithful to join me in Heaven and create a new universe to replace the old one.
This ending is supposed to prevent exactly that.
@@googleuser9013 how so? sure the universe is gone, but as far as i can tell, God can just whip up a new one to replace it.
@@christopherbravo1813 I think that they destroy reality not only universe. Like it was before big bang. No light, no darkness, no god. Just nothing.
That should be the idea. You rebel against god's plan, but refuse to side with Lucifer. So you return all to nothing, rather than let mankind to be slaves of order or pawns of chaos.
And it's not really God. In this game it's based on hebrew "YHVH".
I read that if you aren't jew, it's impossible to pronounce his name.
@@googleuser9013 the Hebrew God and the Christian God are one and the same. also, I seriously doubt that a manmade machine can affect even the spiritual realms.
@@christopherbravo1813 I dunno, those spirits were pretty certain.
you chose the white ending because you thought the game was shit
i chose the white ending because it is literally the best option for the law/chaos cycle. (and because i couldn't handle the difficulty, but in insight, it was mostly out of my perspective of tokyo's situation)
we are not the same
Nahhh.. I've clicked the first choice to see the ending. Nothing more.
Considering SMT IV Apocalypse comes after the canonical ending of SMT IV's neutral ending, and they have the peace ending there, Neutral is technically the best end you can get because it leads to SMT IV's good ending.
You did It by choice, I did it because I were stuck on Law for being polite without chances to do Neutral
Indeed, we are not the same
I chose the White ending because I just wanted to see what it looked like.
We are not the same...
@@Cynicalhampturi love Neutral ending, but it is technically the worst one because it leads to the IV Apocalypse's story.
reddit ending
the only unquestionably happy ending in the entire franchise
you and i must have very different definitions on "happy".
@@christopherbravo1813 you must understand, i never wanted to save anyone. i see this as happy because i am robbing them of the salvation they dont deserve
@@alexanderleonardi3625 okay psychopath, if that's your logic then you're failing horribly at it. if you want to rob people of salvation, i'd suggest the chaos ending.
@@christopherbravo1813 psychopaths cant feel. they have charisma. neither of these are true for me.
your mistake proves me right
@@alexanderleonardi3625 you're confusing psychopaths and sociopaths.
sorry whitef(riend)s! cringe nihilism is not the best outcome, this only destroys one of infinite universes and the cycle upheld by the Great Will continues on regardless
Who cares if it’s the best outcome or not when it’s decently written, or rather it ends earlier which means you miss the bad parts. Because IV easily peaked at the Reverse Hills and Blasted/Infernal Tokyo segments then it went crashing downhill in quality.
For example Neutral is the worst outcome in SMT1, but it’s the best narratively.
Back to your Avengers comparison, the suggestion to leave after Thanos snaps would make sense if the rest of the movie did suck. It’s like stopping Attack on Titan after the basement reveal, everything after is hot garbage so it’s better to leave it unfinished than have it ruined. Though the white ending is a complete ending so it’s even better.
@@smtandearthboundsuck8400 moreover you are literally the only person here complaining about the game, I don't give a shit about your opinion, i was not accounting for your input and had zero intent to do so when i said this
Wait for enough people you know to die. Pray it isn't cancer, murder, suicide or car crashes, again and again and again. Enough shit happens you see it for what it is. Getting repeatedly raped up the ass as a child can help with that, too. Sure did wonders for my own awareness.
Since an eternity of nothingness is waiting for us all anyway, I sure hope it's peaceful. It'd suck for so many people I know to have lived shit lives, gotten cancer, killed themselves or gotten violently killed just for death to suck too. God fucking damn I want nothingness. Reality is a cannibal rapist that even children aren't safe from.
Worst ending.
Edit:nevermind. I actually like it now.
I got this ending on my run that I just finished.
It sucked.
🥁📀