The way we see Walter's physical condition after being used and twisted by Lucifer, it makes me wonder if that's how God sees the spiritual condition of those living in Tokyo.
and he call us puppets, the thing about shin megami tensei is that god was created by human faith but because of the amala system that keeps breaking order after order he cant grant their wish so his only option is to rig them system and slowly remove humanity's ability of observation until he gains the power to bring the millennium kingdom into being, humans souls will continue to reincarnate hence why god and the angels of law are willing to kill so many people, so while people think he is arrogant god is just doing what he can with the power he was given, which is kinda of sad that every game treats him like a villain
Flynn after the fight: Ah-choo! Merkabah: *OH SNAP WE'RE INFECTED WITH FILTH!!!* Flynn: Nah brah, my nose just itched. *Merkabah blows up itself and Flynn with the Yamato Reactor.*
Am I the only one who find the first phase really creepy? The music is eerie and frantic, the rapidly moving grey sky as if to foreshadow a sinister storm, the fact that Lucifer looks like a ghostly hospital patient, and his twitching left arm, no thanks
and let's not forget the time he turned the SMT 3 protagonist into a demon without his consent and manipulated him into casting away his humanity and ending the universe.
When you actually play the games the negatives and positives of each of the routes become more and more apparent. And the safety and serenity, even if it is forced, of Law seems more appealing.
This looks a lot easier than how it went for me lol. Best attack I had was concentrate Zandyne +8, best heal I used was high heal pleroma mediarama, and all I had for buff/debuff was debilitate and rakukaja. It still wasn't awful, but a lot more tense.
omegaweapon116 maybe because in some older depictions, Hell is described as being cold? and if you want to bring Dante’s Inferno, the last circle (Treachery) is an icy lake
It's highly misconcepted that Lucifer is considered to be associated in some way with the flames and fire because he is indeed submerged in the Cocytus, according to the best source of Christian afterlife Mitology, the Divine Comedy. So yeah, it's actually not weird at all.
God it seems so surreal fighting him at regular level since I did fiends first so i had the demons I used for Trumpeteer all coming up to 1800-2000hp with doping Also on that topic "Fall to the abyss" is used with more effects by the fiends
@@jacksimpson8529 that is what Lucifer is. the great deceiver, who promises power to those who serve him, only to twist them into grotesque parodies of their original selves. no wonder God cast him out of Heaven.
I have a dumb crackpot theory but here goes: This lucifer isn't the same as the one we're more familiar with (as in this isn't lucifer, but something of an "interpretation" of him) I'll also try to ignore Apocalypse since this is focused on just IV. The most obvious evidence is his design, but I mostly disregard that because multiple interpretations of the same demon exist, but his personality is DRASTICALLY different to what the series usually sees him as. In most MegaTen titles he's seen as a somewhat charismatic entity who advocates for chaos, but IV clearly depicts him as an ideological supremacist who will just blatantly destroy anyone with opposing beliefs, and is a lot more one-note with his whole "God SUX" schtick. The thing that this theory stems from is the great spirits of goodwill/hope/spite plotline. Judging from how IV presents these powers, my theory was that the demons abused the great spirit of spite to not revive lucifer, but create a new chaos leader altogether, since they had nothing to counter the archangels/YHVH, and thus Hikaru was made, explaining why he is so much more direct with what he is pushing, as he is just the culmination of what the chaos alignment is and not his own being, and lucifer was made whole once he merged with Walter. Once the archangels heard about this, they abused the great spirit of goodwill to empower the resulting fusion of themselves and Jonathan, and the two supremacist jerks were born. Or who knows, maybe IV is just absolutely goddamn terrible at writing its alignment reps, IDK
The info on apocalypse is relevant though since this is literally just what happens if Nanashi rejected the deal. Also the design is totally different from what we see usually.
anyone else feel like lucifer sounds "robotic"? not the voice but like the way he words his sentences i think it's intentional especially in apocalypse
From the original SMT series, I have only played 3 and 4 so far. SMT4, you can save anywhere you want, but you couldn't do that in 3 so no, 3 is harder.
Wait doesn't he play smt 2 lucifer in this ending? Demon lord regretting you becoming a brainwashed sheep and fighting you while not wanting to while trying to prevent the death of mankind I.e. Tokyo
@@christopherbravo1813 still would say neutral is better In this one. Both chaos and law have good and bads but at least with neutral you don't destroy a society or wipe out a whole city with a reactor.
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The way we see Walter's physical condition after being used and twisted by Lucifer, it makes me wonder if that's how God sees the spiritual condition of those living in Tokyo.
and he call us puppets, the thing about shin megami tensei is that god was created by human faith but because of the amala system that keeps breaking order after order he cant grant their wish so his only option is to rig them system and slowly remove humanity's ability of observation until he gains the power to bring the millennium kingdom into being, humans souls will continue to reincarnate hence why god and the angels of law are willing to kill so many people, so while people think he is arrogant god is just doing what he can with the power he was given, which is kinda of sad that every game treats him like a villain
@@colorpg152 If I could not kill YHVH in 2 and Apocalypse, I'd take the option (though it's still a really good fight in Apocalypse)
Would he be wrong in doing so?
5:25 "HOY, FLYNN"
DUDE, NOOOOOOOO!
OH,OH DEAR
i wont cast agi now!
Flynn after the fight: Ah-choo!
Merkabah: *OH SNAP WE'RE INFECTED WITH FILTH!!!*
Flynn: Nah brah, my nose just itched.
*Merkabah blows up itself and Flynn with the Yamato Reactor.*
Am I the only one who find the first phase really creepy? The music is eerie and frantic, the rapidly moving grey sky as if to foreshadow a sinister storm, the fact that Lucifer looks like a ghostly hospital patient, and his twitching left arm, no thanks
"Calling me evil is slander"
Friendly Reminder: This guy caused the OG MegaTen protag to go insane, forcing his girlfriend to kill him.
Wait wait wait huh? Fill me in please lol and what game
@@nenjutsu1774 Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Volume 3
and let's not forget the time he turned the SMT 3 protagonist into a demon without his consent and manipulated him into casting away his humanity and ending the universe.
Lyin' ass Olrox-lookin' ass head ass
@@christopherbravo1813 i mean tbf demifiend was warned that if he completed all the kalpas he would become a full-fledged demon
Strong Enough to Defeat Lucifer, Smart Enough to convince the angels not to destroy the World.
I take back what I said about Law earlier, this ending is dope.
I never got the hate against it, I think it did its job to show angels are just as bad as demons to get their goals.
When you actually play the games the negatives and positives of each of the routes become more and more apparent. And the safety and serenity, even if it is forced, of Law seems more appealing.
Poor Walter
This looks a lot easier than how it went for me lol. Best attack I had was concentrate Zandyne +8, best heal I used was high heal pleroma mediarama, and all I had for buff/debuff was debilitate and rakukaja. It still wasn't awful, but a lot more tense.
I've noticed that Lucifer uses ice attacks in smt games. Weird.
omegaweapon116 maybe because in some older depictions, Hell is described as being cold?
and if you want to bring Dante’s Inferno, the last circle (Treachery) is an icy lake
And its described he was encased in ice and he radiated icy winds with his wing beats
he was frozen in ice in megami tensei ii
Lucifer was frozen in Cocytus as his ultimate punishment.
It's highly misconcepted that Lucifer is considered to be associated in some way with the flames and fire because he is indeed submerged in the Cocytus, according to the best source of Christian afterlife Mitology, the Divine Comedy.
So yeah, it's actually not weird at all.
00:28 Handsome squidward is that you?
He never debuffs you if you only buff to +2
He looks like Snoke in his first form!
Man I miss Lucifer old from Much appealing to the eyes
I hate this guy, 3 megidolaon in a row is cheating
It is not when players love to spam Debilitate in every fight. Should have been ever more unfair if you ask me haha
His incarnation in Devil Survivor is even worse, Megidoladyne as a passive with infinite range is blatantly cheating.
@@drbuni oh shut up you twatter sjw
@@pyroflare7774 ?????
@@pyroflare7774 ?
God it seems so surreal fighting him at regular level since I did fiends first so i had the demons I used for Trumpeteer all coming up to 1800-2000hp with doping
Also on that topic "Fall to the abyss" is used with more effects by the fiends
So...can someone explain what that gremlin on his left arm is supposed to be? Any lore on that?
You see how that creature is wearing a scarf, right?
Do you remember the color of the one that Walter normally wears?
2+2.
@@lunosouroboros Dear God......I didn’t notice the scarf....😨
It's what Walter has become after he fused with Lucifer to restore Lucifer's powers.
You can even see Walter's scarf somewhere on it.
Poor bloke...
@@jacksimpson8529 that is what Lucifer is. the great deceiver, who promises power to those who serve him, only to twist them into grotesque parodies of their original selves.
no wonder God cast him out of Heaven.
@@christopherbravo1813 in context of this game, it feels nice being a warrior of light.
I wonder how difficult SMT V will be
I hope it won't be easier then 4
They are damage sponges and my MP doesnt last long AAAAAAAAAAAA
It’s level dependent. Hard as hell if you’re under leveled in an area, stupid east if you’re slightly overleveled
Are you going to do a SMT IV Apocalypse playthrough? Or at least SMT IV's DLCs?
Have not started Apoc yet but will @ some point and I have not done the DLCs either.
I have a dumb crackpot theory but here goes: This lucifer isn't the same as the one we're more familiar with (as in this isn't lucifer, but something of an "interpretation" of him) I'll also try to ignore Apocalypse since this is focused on just IV. The most obvious evidence is his design, but I mostly disregard that because multiple interpretations of the same demon exist, but his personality is DRASTICALLY different to what the series usually sees him as. In most MegaTen titles he's seen as a somewhat charismatic entity who advocates for chaos, but IV clearly depicts him as an ideological supremacist who will just blatantly destroy anyone with opposing beliefs, and is a lot more one-note with his whole "God SUX" schtick. The thing that this theory stems from is the great spirits of goodwill/hope/spite plotline. Judging from how IV presents these powers, my theory was that the demons abused the great spirit of spite to not revive lucifer, but create a new chaos leader altogether, since they had nothing to counter the archangels/YHVH, and thus Hikaru was made, explaining why he is so much more direct with what he is pushing, as he is just the culmination of what the chaos alignment is and not his own being, and lucifer was made whole once he merged with Walter. Once the archangels heard about this, they abused the great spirit of goodwill to empower the resulting fusion of themselves and Jonathan, and the two supremacist jerks were born.
Or who knows, maybe IV is just absolutely goddamn terrible at writing its alignment reps, IDK
could be both.
I personally just think the Lucifer has been significantly weakened and is *done* with the charismatic nice guy act.
Then SMT V comes in
The info on apocalypse is relevant though since this is literally just what happens if Nanashi rejected the deal. Also the design is totally different from what we see usually.
Smt4s writing drops in quality after the alignment lock tbh
@@billyboleson2830”she was read manga. She is unclean”
anyone else feel like lucifer sounds "robotic"? not the voice but like the way he words his sentences
i think it's intentional especially in apocalypse
For You, Shin Megami Tensei 4 is The Shin Megami Tensei More Hard?
I don't understand what you're asking. If SMT1 is harder than SMT4?
BuffMaister Shin Megami Tensei 4 is the Shin Megami Tensei more hardest?
I think he is asking if SMT IV is the hardest SMT. My personal opinion would be no.
From the original SMT series, I have only played 3 and 4 so far. SMT4, you can save anywhere you want, but you couldn't do that in 3 so no, 3 is harder.
Wait doesn't he play smt 2 lucifer in this ending? Demon lord regretting you becoming a brainwashed sheep and fighting you while not wanting to while trying to prevent the death of mankind I.e. Tokyo
no, Lucifer does in fact want to brutally murder ANYONE who chooses to stand with the Creator.
you know, because Lucifer is evil.
@@christopherbravo1813uh no Lucifer in smt doesn’t want that in fact it’s actually shown that god especially in smt4 despised humanity.
@@EDK-San51912 and yet God is willing to spare a significant portion of them while Lucifer forces them all to kill each other and calls it "freedom".
@@EDK-San51912 "God gave you light and blessings...I shall give you hatred and flames!"
-Lucifer
kinda disproves your entire argument there
how the hell u have salvation move
fitting that this Lucifer is nothing but a savage brute.
Bruh, I freaking see you in almost every buffmaister video. You just became known to me as "that dude that sounds like a religious aunt"
@@f.i.d.m6392 oh, there's a few I'm not in.
and someone has to be, when everyone is is a smooth-brained Atheist or edgy Satanist.
I mean yeah, merkabah and Lucifer are on same levels to be fair. Both have pretty fucked endgoals.
@@av4960 at least something positive comes out of Merkabah's lunacy...
@@christopherbravo1813 still would say neutral is better In this one. Both chaos and law have good and bads but at least with neutral you don't destroy a society or wipe out a whole city with a reactor.
Quan-chi ?
Common Lucifer L
Hantu rumah sakit
do not flatter yourself
So what was the hardest boss?mine was Merkabah.
As the final 2 or any?
Lucifer as final even tho he's scripted with Almighty attacks and Astaroth, Demiurge, and Mestama as regulars.
@@BuffMaister Lucifer is easy mostly due to dumb AI in comparison to Merkabah
This dude is the natural progression of Look-See.