As much as Law and Chaos are at their worst in this game, Merkabah and Lucifer do have points that humanity are too flawed to unite and understand each other but with Flynn choosing to keep believing in humanity, perhaps it is possible.
Flynn: Walter......Jonathan......The two of you made the wrong decision and the wrong choice. You let an arrogant creator of all corrupted your minds. One day.....you WILL witness the REAL truth.
I think it's better to let Isabeau to act as human being where there are weak alone but can achieve everything by working together and have an iron will
@@dalaxdercrisper957 She still is. I think that it would just be a good representation of what she went through. And it helps make her better when compared to Lucifer and Merkahbah when a party member.
I noticed something I think Phase 2 Merkabah is them using a glyph at the last second to activate the demon gene in Jonathan's body to make it mutate and give them a massive powerboost Maybe thats why they actually do what they do in the Law Ending They just let Jonathan's body go berserk out of dispair
if i have one big issue with this game its that neutral is the route with the most content, yet gameplay wise none of it is unique. its just the 2 final bosses or the other routes. i feel like it would be better if you fought walter and jonathan im their human forms, and then fought a different unique final boss.
I agree with this so much. Maybe instead of 2 phases, go nuts and have 3 fucking boss phases. (At least then, these two boss fights would actually be difficult.) As you stated, the first phase is fighting Jonathan and Walter in their human forms and a cutscene happens showing Lucifer/the 4 archangels telling an injured Walter/Jonathan to fuse with them. Then you fight Merkabah/Lucifer for reals. It would make the fight just as heartbreaking as Isabeau's boss fight in Law/Chaos because then it wouldn't feel like you're killing a demon/angel, but your friends that has been with you through your entire journey of SMT IV.
@@Cynicalhamptur I agree. Like, at first you're forced to face them normally, then, they have to reacj the resolve to fuse with their alignment companions to achieve what they desire
I would agree, but honestly it’s far more effective to be given a glimpse of what they once were, then horrified to see what they have become. You’re already desensitized enough during an actual Law/Chaos route after killing Isabeau, so I assume why it’s not done in the normal routes. At the same time though given how much DLC this game got maybe it’s not a stretch that a unique final boss could have been made. I personally like to think of Masakado as Neutral’s final boss, even if the game doesn’t.
BuffMaister Congratulations!!! You official beat SMT 4! After all that trial and error... What do you think of the game?? One of my favorite things in this game is how if you go down in battle IT'S NOT A GAME OVER! (Digital devil saga is a exception) Every SMT to this point that if your MC dies, game over... here it's now improved... Even more insane is that Persona 5 doesn't keep this trend!
BuffMaister Ending is Masakado lifting the domain of Tokyo... The little girl throughout the game is The Goddess of Tokyo and it's implied that women in your gauntlet (Burroughs I think) Was her along.... I think.
according to the notes in apocalypse smt:iv happens if nanashi denied dagda's offer, so at this point in smt:iv nanashi is dead and apocalypse doesnt happen. the story only diverges from this game if nanashi took dagda's offer to go back to life
@@christopherbravo1813 Actually, he does. The notes from the Parallel Universes DLC says this: "Shin Megami Tensei IV: Apocalypse represents an alternative outcome than the one explored in Shin Megami Tensei IV. The point of divergence begins when SMTIV:A's protagonist meets Dagda. In one reality, the protagonist declines Dagda's offer and dies. Afterwards, events unfold as witnessed in SMTIV." They're in the same timeline, there's just a branching point dependent on Nanashi's decision on Dagda's offer.
@@christopherbravo1813 You said Nanashi didnt exist, when he notes say he did exist but is dead in SMTIV. If we get very technical then yes they are different timelines.
You basically have to balance lawful and chaotic choices you make throughout the game up to a point. There's a few actions in particular (the last question in the moral question tunnels, the party split, the question the White ask you regarding your future plans) that have massive impacts on this. Tenkai's alignment questions give you a chance to check your progress. You know you're locked to Neutral if Stephen greets you in the White realm. ...but I also agree, a guide helps immensely here.
@@Destroy2777 also the fact that idk if there's any clue but you kinda have to 100% all the quests right? Been a while since I completed this that i forgot about it
@@nanotfound1042 Kind of: you don't need all the quests to get on the Neutral route, but in order to complete it, there's a selection of ordinarily optional quests you must finish in order to proceed past a point in the endgame. (Which might as well be 100% of them if you don't manage to find their starting locations, as a couple are only started by talking to a person in an isolated room). The game tries to imply this to you, but never points out the details nor where you need to go to progress them (especially since it doesn't tell you WHICH quests are necessary).
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The ceiling starts crumbling and literally falling onto Tokyo
Me: "Hey Isabeau, uh, did... did we think this through properly?"
@Jayden Shepard ?
It opened to the sides, the cracks made some pieces to fall
@@elmeromogollon Some of the rubble are big enough to destroy buildings and some were even shown destroying buildings during the cutscene.
@@Cynicalhamptur all's well that ends well, right?!
To be fair almost all of Tokyo survivors are underground
It would have been funny if, after Merkabah demands that Flynn shows it his resolve, it casted Dekaja and smirked.
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...and cue the reminder that a DLC has you fight this.
he's still nothing compared to Stephen standing up.
@@TheBonkleFox
True, even if this big man actually benchpresses your balls harder
As much as Law and Chaos are at their worst in this game, Merkabah and Lucifer do have points that humanity are too flawed to unite and understand each other but with Flynn choosing to keep believing in humanity, perhaps it is possible.
Flynn: Walter......Jonathan......The two of you made the wrong decision and the wrong choice. You let an arrogant creator of all corrupted your minds. One day.....you WILL witness the REAL truth.
Man, I wish Isabeau had Judgment (the Neutral Aligned Megidolion) after you teamed up with her in the Alignment lock.
I think it's better to let Isabeau to act as human being where there are weak alone but can achieve everything by working together and have an iron will
@@dalaxdercrisper957 She still is. I think that it would just be a good representation of what she went through. And it helps make her better when compared to Lucifer and Merkahbah when a party member.
Well I mean at least Masakado learns judgement...
@@jamfingers55
That is true.
@@dalaxdercrisper957 ....are you sure you're talking about humans here?
even as a the final boss walter is still our boy
Our best hoi
Isabeu litteraly gave a final slap on the face of phase 1 of Merkabah
I noticed something
I think Phase 2 Merkabah is them using a glyph at the last second to activate the demon gene in Jonathan's body to make it mutate and give them a massive powerboost
Maybe thats why they actually do what they do in the Law Ending
They just let Jonathan's body go berserk out of dispair
Concentrate powers up your next magic attack
Yes it does!
This is the smartest being know to man! We must celebrate him on April 1st from now on and sacrifice a chicken to him!!!
But naw, I’m just playing
In other news, Focus powers up your next physical/gun attack
By 2.5x no less. So, Concentrate + Trisagion is better than just 2 Trisagion
I legit forget why I made this comments in the first place
Boy, if I had a nickel everytime I heard stuff like Merkabah's spiel...
Same for radical religious people who are too stuck up and self righteous
if i have one big issue with this game its that neutral is the route with the most content, yet gameplay wise none of it is unique. its just the 2 final bosses or the other routes.
i feel like it would be better if you fought walter and jonathan im their human forms, and then fought a different unique final boss.
I agree with this so much. Maybe instead of 2 phases, go nuts and have 3 fucking boss phases. (At least then, these two boss fights would actually be difficult.)
As you stated, the first phase is fighting Jonathan and Walter in their human forms and a cutscene happens showing Lucifer/the 4 archangels telling an injured Walter/Jonathan to fuse with them.
Then you fight Merkabah/Lucifer for reals.
It would make the fight just as heartbreaking as Isabeau's boss fight in Law/Chaos because then it wouldn't feel like you're killing a demon/angel, but your friends that has been with you through your entire journey of SMT IV.
@@Cynicalhamptur I agree. Like, at first you're forced to face them normally, then, they have to reacj the resolve to fuse with their alignment companions to achieve what they desire
I would agree, but honestly it’s far more effective to be given a glimpse of what they once were, then horrified to see what they have become. You’re already desensitized enough during an actual Law/Chaos route after killing Isabeau, so I assume why it’s not done in the normal routes. At the same time though given how much DLC this game got maybe it’s not a stretch that a unique final boss could have been made. I personally like to think of Masakado as Neutral’s final boss, even if the game doesn’t.
My favorite part in this whole route is how the final line in the route is "Thanks." 😂
Walter how is to be Lucifer right hand man
That's his left hand actually.
The ending left me confused.
Why don't you use concentrate? And that girl is the goddess of Tokyo.
Didn't bother with concentrate in the SMT series, only in Persona.
Oh, and I was more referring to Masakado's transformation.
BuffMaister
Congratulations!!!
You official beat SMT 4!
After all that trial and error...
What do you think of the game??
One of my favorite things in this game is how if you go down in battle IT'S NOT A GAME OVER!
(Digital devil saga is a exception)
Every SMT to this point that if your MC dies, game over... here it's now improved... Even more insane is that Persona 5 doesn't keep this trend!
BuffMaister
Ending is Masakado lifting the domain of Tokyo...
The little girl throughout the game is The Goddess of Tokyo and it's implied that women in your gauntlet (Burroughs I think)
Was her along.... I think.
"Researching Wine" uhh, Hugo? Are you committing the sin of Overindulgence.
So uhh.....where does "Becoming an ally/mindless servant of a dead 15 year old and help kill god" fits into this?
according to the notes in apocalypse smt:iv happens if nanashi denied dagda's offer, so at this point in smt:iv nanashi is dead and apocalypse doesnt happen. the story only diverges from this game if nanashi took dagda's offer to go back to life
@@NIKO-P actually, Nanashi doesn't exist at all in this timeline.
@@christopherbravo1813 Actually, he does. The notes from the Parallel Universes DLC says this:
"Shin Megami Tensei IV: Apocalypse represents an alternative outcome than the one explored in Shin Megami Tensei IV. The point of divergence begins when SMTIV:A's protagonist meets Dagda. In one reality, the protagonist declines Dagda's offer and dies. Afterwards, events unfold as witnessed in SMTIV."
They're in the same timeline, there's just a branching point dependent on Nanashi's decision on Dagda's offer.
@@NIKO-P just because events in the Apocalypse timeline would proceed the same as they do in 4 doesn't mean that it's the same timeline.
@@christopherbravo1813 You said Nanashi didnt exist, when he notes say he did exist but is dead in SMTIV. If we get very technical then yes they are different timelines.
*sees Lucifer* Someone else saw Prometheus, eh. Lmao
Well I got Neutral in my 2nd route funny thing that the white is useful and being bothered by black card, Ironic right?
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What does "Whether 'twill" means?
It will
If i recall my dramatic statement logic correctly, translated it means “wheter it will be”
How do you unlock the Neutral route in this game?
Follow isabeau and dont acept walter and jonathan ideals
I know its been a month but the best advice I can give you is this
Just use a fucking guide because its so complicated its not even funny
You basically have to balance lawful and chaotic choices you make throughout the game up to a point. There's a few actions in particular (the last question in the moral question tunnels, the party split, the question the White ask you regarding your future plans) that have massive impacts on this. Tenkai's alignment questions give you a chance to check your progress. You know you're locked to Neutral if Stephen greets you in the White realm.
...but I also agree, a guide helps immensely here.
@@Destroy2777 also the fact that idk if there's any clue but you kinda have to 100% all the quests right?
Been a while since I completed this that i forgot about it
@@nanotfound1042 Kind of: you don't need all the quests to get on the Neutral route, but in order to complete it, there's a selection of ordinarily optional quests you must finish in order to proceed past a point in the endgame. (Which might as well be 100% of them if you don't manage to find their starting locations, as a couple are only started by talking to a person in an isolated room).
The game tries to imply this to you, but never points out the details nor where you need to go to progress them (especially since it doesn't tell you WHICH quests are necessary).
They misspelled millennium. :V
Ayo hol up Merkabah is a dude?
He is Johnathan fused with the 4 archangels
@@balanceherosmt7170yes and Walter fuse with Lucifer
@@balanceherosmt7170 but Merkabah has tits