Note: At 1:41, I said "Only the T-GT and Clubsport Wheel v2.5 are smoother. I'd also include the Fanatec CSL Elite in that mix. Guess that's what happens when you record the VO at midnight, you accidentally forget bits XD
@@fianso6875 so glad someone else thinks this. I tried both the CSL & CSW didn't really click with either. Fanatec make superb pedals but I'm not convinced y their wheelbases or in my opinion overpriced wheels. If they'd made the F488 Challenge Edition wheel it would be £400! Another thing that annoys me, people say the TS-PC Racer feels notchy when not powered up. That's relevant how? Besides alot of direct drive wheels have the exact same feel, nothing to do with belts more to do with the motor. The TS-PC Racer is a very decent belt drive, with the F488 rim I think you'll struggle to get a better belt drive base altho' the CSW has a little more torque.
I got my TS-PC with the open wheel for $350 on Amazon during a sale and at that price it was a no brainer. But $700 for the same base but with the Ferrari wheel is nuts
I have this wheel since 1 year now. It was a big step forward from my G29 and I was really happy with it until I tested a fanatec csl yesterday. It's incredible how smoother the fanatec is comparing to the ts pc when you know they are both at the same price range ! (+ I thought that the "quick release" system would not be a problem but it's sometimes a pain in the a*** when you switch a lot from dirt rally/drifting to open wheel racing in few hours)
@@RingoYote- No!!! Dood, you are so WRONG! The TS-PC, TS-XW, T500, T300 & TX are NOT Gear Driven, they are in-fact Belt Driven Wheel Systems; the reviewer even says it... IN this video. I mean, even the cheaper versions of the Thrustmaster FFB wheels, The T150 & TMX, use belts; however, they're a hybrid system and are also partially geared.
yep i own a t500 rs for a couple of years now,started with it on ps4 and switched to pc only 2.5 years ago and i feel the force feedback is a bit of funky in some games,mostly in console port games like forza horizon 3 and 4,the motorsport 7 is fine. my solution for the weird ffb is to update the firmware everytime i use the wheel and plugging it in before i start up my pc,then it works fine but honoustly i don't think i would pick another thrustmaster wheel pakkage in the future,for me they are fine for console racing but now as a pc gamer at 144 hz i would look into fanatec clubsport,maybe more expensive but well worth it after playing and experimenting with trustmaster,i feel it's a good build product but if it comes to growing in racing i feel like trustmaster is limited to the simcade racing,once you go more sim orientated it starts to show it's flaws like the pedal set and ffb,center slack.my affortable dream setup would be full fanatec clubsport on a simlabs extrution rig,rock solid quality at a resonable price,still a somewhat expensive setup compared to my current wheelstand pro/t500/th8a setup but well worth the upgrade,in my logic it will feel 2 steps up at least in racing experience, i could be wrong but thats my analisis of the whole thrustmaster product.
Got a friend that completely lost his FFB on a CSW 2.5 after less than a year of use... RMA, replacment of the wheel. I gave my cheap T500RS a hard life for more than 4.5years with no issues at all, one example isn't enough to make it a rule. So it won't help you if I say that none of my friend that had a TM wheel ever had any issues, although it is true, you could have different experience than I had.
Great William. I totally agree in all matters here, you are spot on. As a longtime Thrustmaster fan ('95), I can see TM does not do the smart moves, but rather becomes the new Logitech. They are not connected to what is happening in the market. PS: I still using my T500, as still going on after so many years! Yes, I also have the TS-PC Racer.... Keep on your great work :-)
I bought my TS-PC nearly two years ago new for £391 RRP is £499 in the UK. A CSL Elite delivered was £520 at the time and had i not found the deal on the TS-PC I had no intention of buying it for it's full RRP. Why would you pay nearly the same for plastic when you can have a better product with aluminium components for only very slightly more. It did die about 14 months in and I was mid race. Got onto Thrustmaster customer support. They RMA'd the a week before Christmas, oh my days. Got it back on the 27th still dead. Turns out the "turbo" power supply had gone Norwegian blue. Two days later I receive a new power supply. I think the premium you pay for a Thrustmaster product relates to the level of customer care you receive when your novelty power supply breaks.
Actually it's worse that that. In your roundup of wheels you placed the Fanatec CSL Elite in the Consumer category with the Thrustmaster T300, but placed the Thrustmaster TSPC in the next higher category, with the Enthusiast wheels. That implies that the TSPC is better, but your seem to like the CSLE better for it's smoothness. I'm about to buy one of these packages, but your comments have me confused now. The FFB on my Fanatec CSR wheel has died and it feels pretty notchy, although the pedals are fine. So I've been racing in AMS 1 & 2 and placing in the tip 30 in Time Trials, but I want to do better. I also love the F1 series. Which of these wheels is better for what I want to do? If you could only pick one, which would it be? Thank You!
Just ordered 488 edition as well and a TCL-M Load Cell Pedals with it... Hoping it will last as long as my 10 year old modded Logitech G25 which is still working great with the usual maintenance of pots and buttons.
@@xrider55 Cool have fun with it! I have it since 2 years now and it works like on day 1. Definitely worth it. I will order the new Pedals in near future too. 🍻🙌
Just click by yourself on Amazon, in France e.g. the 488 Challenge is sold 515€ and the Formula version 418€... Recommended retail prices are jokes. Not saying the choice is that clear, if you enter the Sim Market for the first time, sure alternatives are really competitive... If you already had TM wheel...it is still a decent upgrade. And I haven't gone Fanatec route for that reason. Now saying you get an OSW 20N for 900€... you have to add how much to get a rim, buttons, pedals your final bill is closer to 1500€ at best... There is no super clear call imo... Like those saying TM is not reliable, every user experience is different. 4.5 years of T500RS no issues, sold to a guy that never complained about it, bought TS-PC when it launched, no issue whatsoever and I kept the pedals that I used for almost 7 years... Everyone has heard of reliability issues for all manufacturers...
@@RingoYote well said. if they are planning to go up market then release a seperate range for that, like Fanatec has with their CSL, Clubsport and (soon) Podium range, clear price catagories for each, where as thrustmasters is all rather vague.
Hi William I know it has been awhile since you did this vid but can you tell me what your recommended windows control panel settings would be for these ...Ordered mine yesterday..... Overall strength Constant Period and so on Guessing most Sims like ACC feedback strength for this wheel I n game would be 70 to 80 Thanks dude for your help
TM-Open Wheeler! : Are you having issues with the back plastic part making crackling noises ? it is very annoying! Has anyone an answer or method to getting rid of this ? thanks (i'm from AUT so pardon my english)
My TS-PC Ferrari edition also makes cracking noises. I don't know if this happens to all units or only a few. Have you found a method to solve this annoyance?
No, the BT LED display is NOT compatible with PC, as mentioned in the review. That's why I find it funny that the (at release) PC ONLY rim was compatible with a non-PC peripheral
before you buy the thrustmaster tspc racer I would read up on it,when I receive mine I used it probably about 2 hours, wen't to use it the next day it was dead totally would not work nothing no power no LED lights not anything,tried hooking it up on another computer,tried another power cord USB cord nothing,$460 seriously I would read up on it and see what the troubles people have had,after wrestling with this thing for about 2 days I plug my old wheel back in thrustmaster TX perfect I hope this help somebody from making the same mistake that I made.
Where a person lives can really sway their purchase. When my G27 finally died on me, I ended up buying a TS-PC from Amazon for $547 CAD, all shipping and taxes included. A ClubSport v2.5 and McLaren rim (to go with a more modestly priced rim) would have ended up running me $1,190 CAD, with all shipping and taxes included. The Fanatec wheel would be better, but not enough for me to justify the difference in cost.
@@sh987 but you dont have to pay for CSW V2.5 and go for PS4 Elite instead. There are actually from the same price category so it's more fair to compare. Both dont give you pedals in the box and all Trhust' pedals are plastic toys anyway
@@lopatovich That's still $1,040 Canadian (plus possible extra charges at my end), compared to $547 for the TS-PC. I'm not crapping on anybody's choices, because I think that Fanatec makes a terrific wheel. This isn't a fanboy situation here. It just doesn't seem to me like I would be getting a wheel which is twice as good to make up for the price being twice as much.
Note: At 1:41, I said "Only the T-GT and Clubsport Wheel v2.5 are smoother. I'd also include the Fanatec CSL Elite in that mix. Guess that's what happens when you record the VO at midnight, you accidentally forget bits XD
why? acording race sim garage, TGT and the TSPC have the same internal mechanism, except the vibration bass inside.
@@amontezano1 This is what i have been wondering as well...
@@amontezano1 the vibrations only work with gt or not ?
The csl is Not at all smother
@@fianso6875 so glad someone else thinks this. I tried both the CSL & CSW didn't really click with either. Fanatec make superb pedals but I'm not convinced y their wheelbases or in my opinion overpriced wheels. If they'd made the F488 Challenge Edition wheel it would be £400! Another thing that annoys me, people say the TS-PC Racer feels notchy when not powered up. That's relevant how? Besides alot of direct drive wheels have the exact same feel, nothing to do with belts more to do with the motor. The TS-PC Racer is a very decent belt drive, with the F488 rim I think you'll struggle to get a better belt drive base altho' the CSW has a little more torque.
Thrustmaster needs to release that 488 rim as a stand-alone.
I would buy it in a second.
@Dino Lopane how about the LEds ? do they work
@Dino Lopane all other wheels work with it
rest in peace man
I have a tspc racer and I love it . Dirt rally and project cars 2 feel great!
I got my TS-PC with the open wheel for $350 on Amazon during a sale and at that price it was a no brainer. But $700 for the same base but with the Ferrari wheel is nuts
Little did you know what a pandemic would do to sim racing equipment
@@zacharyosvald251 Haha! Till to this day the prices are insane!
I have this wheel since 1 year now. It was a big step forward from my G29 and I was really happy with it until I tested a fanatec csl yesterday. It's incredible how smoother the fanatec is comparing to the ts pc when you know they are both at the same price range ! (+ I thought that the "quick release" system would not be a problem but it's sometimes a pain in the a*** when you switch a lot from dirt rally/drifting to open wheel racing in few hours)
Fanatecs are Belt Driven thats why, Thrustmaster still uses Gears
@@RingoYote- No!!! Dood, you are so WRONG!
The TS-PC, TS-XW, T500, T300 & TX are NOT Gear Driven, they are in-fact Belt Driven Wheel Systems; the reviewer even says it... IN this video.
I mean, even the cheaper versions of the Thrustmaster FFB wheels, The T150 & TMX, use belts; however, they're a hybrid system and are also partially geared.
In Poland both wheels are equally priced (moreless), and it is ~670 $
BTW Ferrari Rom is replica, so it has direct predecessor.
Solid and honest review.. great job!
I'd like them to make an upgraded *Thrustmaster Ferrari F1 wheel* but with all the dials actually functional, as a more expensive choice
They actually made it the sf1000
yep i own a t500 rs for a couple of years now,started with it on ps4 and switched to pc only 2.5 years ago and i feel the force feedback is a bit of funky in some games,mostly in console port games like forza horizon 3 and 4,the motorsport 7 is fine. my solution for the weird ffb is to update the firmware everytime i use the wheel and plugging it in before i start up my pc,then it works fine but honoustly i don't think i would pick another thrustmaster wheel pakkage in the future,for me they are fine for console racing but now as a pc gamer at 144 hz i would look into fanatec clubsport,maybe more expensive but well worth it after playing and experimenting with trustmaster,i feel it's a good build product but if it comes to growing in racing i feel like trustmaster is limited to the simcade racing,once you go more sim orientated it starts to show it's flaws like the pedal set and ffb,center slack.my affortable dream setup would be full fanatec clubsport on a simlabs extrution rig,rock solid quality at a resonable price,still a somewhat expensive setup compared to my current wheelstand pro/t500/th8a setup but well worth the upgrade,in my logic it will feel 2 steps up at least in racing experience, i could be wrong but thats my analisis of the whole thrustmaster product.
Got a friend that completely lost his FFB on a CSW 2.5 after less than a year of use... RMA, replacment of the wheel. I gave my cheap T500RS a hard life for more than 4.5years with no issues at all, one example isn't enough to make it a rule. So it won't help you if I say that none of my friend that had a TM wheel ever had any issues, although it is true, you could have different experience than I had.
Great William. I totally agree in all matters here, you are spot on. As a longtime Thrustmaster fan ('95), I can see TM does not do the smart moves, but rather becomes the new Logitech. They are not connected to what is happening in the market. PS: I still using my T500, as still going on after so many years! Yes, I also have the TS-PC Racer.... Keep on your great work :-)
I have T500 and OSW small mige. T500 still rock solid. Reliably a well.
I bought my TS-PC nearly two years ago new for £391 RRP is £499 in the UK. A CSL Elite delivered was £520 at the time and had i not found the deal on the TS-PC I had no intention of buying it for it's full RRP. Why would you pay nearly the same for plastic when you can have a better product with aluminium components for only very slightly more.
It did die about 14 months in and I was mid race. Got onto Thrustmaster customer support. They RMA'd the a week before Christmas, oh my days. Got it back on the 27th still dead. Turns out the "turbo" power supply had gone Norwegian blue. Two days later I receive a new power supply. I think the premium you pay for a Thrustmaster product relates to the level of customer care you receive when your novelty power supply breaks.
fanatec have no support buy at own risk
Actually it's worse that that. In your roundup of wheels you placed the Fanatec CSL Elite in the Consumer category with the Thrustmaster T300, but placed the Thrustmaster TSPC in the next higher category, with the Enthusiast wheels. That implies that the TSPC is better, but your seem to like the CSLE better for it's smoothness. I'm about to buy one of these packages, but your comments have me confused now. The FFB on my Fanatec CSR wheel has died and it feels pretty notchy, although the pedals are fine. So I've been racing in AMS 1 & 2 and placing in the tip 30 in Time Trials, but I want to do better. I also love the F1 series. Which of these wheels is better for what I want to do? If you could only pick one, which would it be? Thank You!
Works the way it is supposed to. Just Good
I love my TS-PC Ferrari 488 Edition
Just ordered 488 edition as well and a TCL-M Load Cell Pedals with it... Hoping it will last as long as my 10 year old modded Logitech G25 which is still working great with the usual maintenance of pots and buttons.
@@xrider55 Cool have fun with it! I have it since 2 years now and it works like on day 1. Definitely worth it. I will order the new Pedals in near future too. 🍻🙌
@@turbo108 Thanks, can't wait for it to arrive. :) Thumbs up!
@@xrider55 how are they ? are you using a desk or a race seat and how does it feel in that particular setup ?
@@xrider55 i just ordered what u got get it in 2 days any tips?
Why aren't LED-s working?
700 euro for thrustmaster, 900 now for osw 20nm. enough said.
Just click by yourself on Amazon, in France e.g. the 488 Challenge is sold 515€ and the Formula version 418€... Recommended retail prices are jokes. Not saying the choice is that clear, if you enter the Sim Market for the first time, sure alternatives are really competitive... If you already had TM wheel...it is still a decent upgrade. And I haven't gone Fanatec route for that reason. Now saying you get an OSW 20N for 900€... you have to add how much to get a rim, buttons, pedals your final bill is closer to 1500€ at best... There is no super clear call imo... Like those saying TM is not reliable, every user experience is different. 4.5 years of T500RS no issues, sold to a guy that never complained about it, bought TS-PC when it launched, no issue whatsoever and I kept the pedals that I used for almost 7 years... Everyone has heard of reliability issues for all manufacturers...
Yeah...thrustmaster is a mid-range hobbyist company, they need to stick to that and stop trying to chase the enthusiast market
@@RingoYote well said. if they are planning to go up market then release a seperate range for that, like Fanatec has with their CSL, Clubsport and (soon) Podium range, clear price catagories for each, where as thrustmasters is all rather vague.
Hi William
I know it has been awhile since you did this vid but can you tell me what your recommended windows control panel settings would be for these ...Ordered mine yesterday.....
Overall strength
Constant
Period and so on
Guessing most Sims like ACC feedback strength for this wheel I n game would be 70 to 80
Thanks dude for your help
ciao ho perso l'alimentatore del ts pc racer se potevi dirmi quanta tensione esce dai 4 pin dell'alimentatore aiutami, grazie
TM-Open Wheeler! : Are you having issues with the back plastic part making crackling noises ? it is very annoying! Has anyone an answer or method to getting rid of this ? thanks (i'm from AUT so pardon my english)
My TS-PC Ferrari edition also makes cracking noises. I don't know if this happens to all units or only a few. Have you found a method to solve this annoyance?
@@Adol333 yeah : sell it on ebay and lose half your money or fix it wiht expensive 3d printer add ons
in the netherlands this wheel is just 495 euro
You can download a shift light app on both iOS and Android for less than 10 bucks...shift lights are redundant on racing wheel controllers for PC
Does it mount easily to your gt1 evo? It’s not listed on the site.
You said that only the clubsport 2.5 and t-gt is smoother. But in another video you said that the call elite is smoother than the t-gt. ?!?
Whoops, accidentally forgot to include the CSL Elite XD Sorry about that!
bro he said on some sims thrustmasters are the whakest hahahha wtf
So, BT LED Display is compatible with PC?
No, the BT LED display is NOT compatible with PC, as mentioned in the review. That's why I find it funny that the (at release) PC ONLY rim was compatible with a non-PC peripheral
do they still screw in with those plastic nuts at the back
BLITZKRIEG unfortunately yes...
before you buy the thrustmaster tspc racer I would read up on it,when I receive mine I used it probably about 2 hours, wen't to use it the next day it was dead totally would not work nothing no power no LED lights not anything,tried hooking it up on another computer,tried another power cord USB cord nothing,$460 seriously I would read up on it and see what the troubles people have had,after wrestling with this thing for about 2 days I plug my old wheel back in thrustmaster TX perfect I hope this help somebody from making the same mistake that I made.
does this come with a table mount?
Yes it does, I am drowning in them!
Would go for fanatec with that money
Where a person lives can really sway their purchase. When my G27 finally died on me, I ended up buying a TS-PC from Amazon for $547 CAD, all shipping and taxes included. A ClubSport v2.5 and McLaren rim (to go with a more modestly priced rim) would have ended up running me $1,190 CAD, with all shipping and taxes included. The Fanatec wheel would be better, but not enough for me to justify the difference in cost.
sh987 i think this base is more comparable with the csl. But yeah, ordered the DD1 and a nice 211,60 CAD$ surprise. Love it tought.
@@sh987 but you dont have to pay for CSW V2.5 and go for PS4 Elite instead. There are actually from the same price category so it's more fair to compare. Both dont give you pedals in the box and all Trhust' pedals are plastic toys anyway
@@lopatovich That's still $1,040 Canadian (plus possible extra charges at my end), compared to $547 for the TS-PC. I'm not crapping on anybody's choices, because I think that Fanatec makes a terrific wheel. This isn't a fanboy situation here. It just doesn't seem to me like I would be getting a wheel which is twice as good to make up for the price being twice as much.
sh987 in high tech you never pay twice for twice the quality. That is how it goes. With that thinking would still race the g27