great review CARADVICE ..you guys forgot to mention one thing that Hyundai does not void warranty for track use as long as you are not competing in a race.
Every review I've seen of the I30 N has men laughing and giggling with glee, that's never happened in a golf, or a Ford, or a mazda.. The last time I saw adoration this unanimous was when the original Type R integra stepped on the scene.. From what I've seen so far, the N is the clear choice . Once the after market gets a hold of it, this car could be a giant killer.. I don't believe the suspension is too hard, i think its overtired, it needs 18's 45 series to flow better with the road
Bobby Bass i See People Constantly do it in the Polo though, its the immaturity with Fake missfires and a Bit more road contact also see old reviews of the mk5 gti
For me, I could careless for the backfires, its the fact everyone who drives it drives the piss out of it the whole time, that mean its engaging, and invigorating to hustle. You can see it in this review, when he was driving the golf in the countryside he was poodling along like a grandmother. When he was in the N, the scenery in the window was a blur as the car encourage him to push.. That quality is only found in very few cars .. And the Golf no matter how far you go back into history, never gave that feeling .. The killing blow for the golf is you can't turn the stability control off.. And that is just plain unforgivable
Bobby Bass you can say what you want but exhaust crackling and rougher road contact will get you going. BUT if I'd spent 35+k on a performance hatchback, that should make me giggle it would be the civic type r(for the added performance) or a Leon cupra 300 (for staying with the golf qualities and added performance) the i30n while being a cool car on it's own just doesn't kick it for me far enough in any direction. Too expensive to beat a polo or fiesta st for giggles/buck not refined enough to get into true golf territory, not fast enough to go with the type r or cupra r 290+. It just gets a bit overhyped imo for just being a 'better' golf gti when there are so many alternatives. Also I do think the upcoming Megane rs will outshine them all on pretty much every aforementioned position
I hope you enjoy the dealer and your mechanically troubled type r .. The Type R is $50,000 where I live .. The N is $36,000, a $500 retune and the type r is toast.. I wouldn't buy a Leon if you payed me .. None of those cars are engaging or fun, the N sure seems to be.. Facts are facts , people are talking about the N, not any of the others ..
Bobby Bass the type r is constantly talked about and where I live it's 36000 euros which is en par with both of them. You don't need to like the cupra r it's still faster at an equal price tag and as far as i could say the n doesn't feel that more engaging then a gti on a twisty backroad it's just that the golf is around for so long that gives you the craving for something... let's say different without straying to far . Like I said and that is just for me I'd go with a type r as it just isn't any more expensive here. And the fact that it's in everyone's mouth is just because of good advertisement.
I got to say.. I own a i30n and I absolutely love it. Yeah it might be a little more over the top then a gti.. But it's just a pleasure to drive! Great video keep up the good work
This car is truly something. Went to test drive this car the other day and it was a bloody terrific experience. Really does put a smile on your face. I'll be buying the i30N with the Luxury Pack and sunroof.
@@matp111-9 in case you're still wondering... you can absolutely daily drive the i30N. I do, in fact. I also recently drove home from a track, picking up my daughter on the way! Lumbar support and comfy seats are helpful, as are lane assist and (non-adaptive) cruise control.
I mean their both 6 second cars so I have no idea what your talking about 🤦🏻♂️ the golf R is 4.6 (DSG) or 5.1 (manual) plus the GTI has a much nicer interior & better chassis, wish people would look up specs etc before making stupid comments 😟👍🏼
I work for a Hyundai dealership here in England. When we got our first demo i30n delivered, we took it straight off the transporter and out for a test drive on some country roads. I know it was a special car immediately, the electronically controlled LSD does an amazing job through the corners. Yes it's not the fastest hatch in a straight line, the interior quality is a bit low-rent, and it would be a tiring car to drive as a daily in many ways, due to it's back breaking ride and constant exhaust drone. But, the positives are many, and it does do a lot of things very well, while being great value for money compared to it's competitors. On top of that, 2 years down the line, we have not seen any common issues with these cars, just a few things wrong with individual cars, which happens with any brand or model. I am proud to say I work for a company that can produce such a great car, on it's first attempt at that particular market segment.
In all fairness, the i30N wears 235/35 R19 P Zeros Vs 225/40R18 (probably Conti SC6) on the Golf. That makes significant difference in Golf's cabin noise reduction and more refined ride. Swap those wheels around ... and you will feel the difference on how much less refined the Golf will be. The P Zeros are noisier but real performance tyres with massive grip.
I think that Hyundai is missing a opportunity to sell some unit in the US by not importing the i30. Prefer the styling/versatility over the Veloster n that is offered here.
Hyundai has really gone a long since the start. They started out with cars that were best left alone to ones that you would actually want to buy. It is absolutely astonishing! I am literally obsessed with the i30 and it’s variants and the Elantra because their designs are to die for.
The Golf R is fantastic, but it is not technically a front wheel drive GTI. And it's about ten grand more expensive. Surely, VW can do even better on the GTI.
Actually, you sound like you don't know much about the GTI. It's totally okay, let me educate you all. Fact: The GTI's engine is an Audi 3rd generation EA888 engine. The engine's design is rated for 500 WHP. Detuned from the factory for legal reasons. Emission laws, a vehicle can't be sold in the US with a standard 400 WHP with a curb weight of 3000 Lbs. Marketed as family friendly vehicle. This is why anyone who wants to unlock the ECU with APR or Unitronic, adding a downpipe for merely $1200K will destroy i30N and most hot hatches. Go search on RUclips for Stage 2 MK7 GTI or Golf R and you'll rethink after your lieing watch the hundreds of videos of the GTI beating the competition.
@@sporopeza Most people who buy hot hatches aren't looking to tune them anywhere above 300 hp. Especially, using your own words, if they are marketed as family friendly vehicles. That's the education you've been missing out on. And if you want a really strong VW Golf, still no point in considering the GTI, pay the extra for the R. Forgot to mention, you tune your box on wheels, you lose your warranty. As if VW had any useful warranty 🤣
Hyundai has done a great job with the i30 N. It will be interesting to see how it stacks up to the Mk8 when its released. Also props to VW for making a the Mk7 which was released in 2013 still relevant today with only minor styling refreshes.
Good review ! I have driven both and whilst I like the novelty of the I30 N with the pops and bangs. I think for me the comfort, interior quality and overall refinement of the golf is a far better match for day to day driving? I don’t live on a race track and the 2-3 days a year I go to the track would not outweigh the 362
very well said. Everyone is so quick to jump on Hyundai's bandwagon because of a drag race on a video lol. GTI as a whole package all day every day. It's only a $500 tune away from being very very quick and even stock they are quick enough and the real world fuel economy is WAY better than the Hyundai.
Agree 100%. Comfort, interior quality, refinement is more important than track times! 👍 However, you forgot to consider RELIABILITY! Its a big factor to consider in terms of ownership. IMHO, I believe that the GTI is one hell of a car! It’s the best daily in terms of comfort, refinement, performance, size and its understated look will age quite well. Two of me mates owns GTIs, so I’ve driven it occasionally. The car really impresses me every time! I was close to pulling the trigger and getting me own. Twice, I was in a VW dealership, ready to sign for one. Every time, I also changed my mind and walked off! The deal was, every time I thought of the RELIABILITY ISSUES they have to put up with over and over again, it just discouraged me. It’s no fun, and it’s not cheap! Over time, one can get used to a not so impressive and plush interior or a less refined ride, but one CANNOT just simply get used to something that gives you headaches and drain your wallet! The 362 days is unlikely for the GTi, cuz it will spend sometime in the garage coz of the reliability issues! Lesson learned: I like driving the GTI...BUT I wouldn’t to own one!
Nenad Milkovic civic type r and cupra r want to have a little chat also the Megane rs is already sharpening it's teeth while the 208 and 308 gti can only smile at the new contender
Warsheep2k6 the type r might be quicker but it will be in the aftermarket department turbos injectors ecus price and availability and engine reliability that these new cars in time will prove their true worth and resale value like that of the 2jzgte supra.
@@jarrodlee1506 Actually, you sound like you don't know much about the GTI. It's totally okay, let me educate you all. Fact: The GTI's engine is an Audi 3rd generation EA888 engine. The engine's design is rated for 500 WHP. Detuned from the factory for legal reasons. Emission laws, a vehicle can't be sold in the US with a standard 400 WHP with a curb weight of 3000 Lbs. Marketed as family friendly vehicle. This is why anyone who wants to unlock the ECU with APR or Unitronic, adding a downpipe for merely $1200K will destroy i30N and most hot hatches. Go search on RUclips for Stage 2 MK7 GTI or Golf R and you'll rethink after your lieing watch the hundreds of videos of the GTI beating the competition.
@@sporopeza Had 2016 GTI DSG with APR stage 2 tune and downpipe. Overboosted, blew the turbo, shrepnels got inside the engine block. Took the flash out, changed everything back to stock, took it back to the dealer hoping that it'd be covered under warranty. NOPE. paid $12,000 to replace the engine and sold it. I loved the GTI for the short duration of the ownership, but after driving the Veloster N for a while, I am not going back. Even without any tune or modification, it is sooooooooo much more fun to drive.
No brainer, hands down - i30N wins. It's funny reading butthurt VW GTI fans comments below. Accept the defeat, move on and wait for a rematch with better version/model P. E. R. I. O. D.
Well to be fair this is Hyundai's best hot hatch vs VW's 2nd best hot hatch. Not exactly a fair comparison. If you were comparing an i30n and mk7R then that would be fair.
@@sparkystone2743 That's not how you compare them, you compare based on price. If they did a N vs R comparison, it would be like comparing a base model Corolla and a Lexus CT.
@Jaymate no it really isn't. It is comparing an average automakers top of the line compact car VS. another average automakers top of the line compact car. It's an apples to apples comparison. Toyota is an average automaker and Lexus is a luxury automaker. Apples to oranges. I can appreciate that Hyundai is cheaper than Volkswagen but this doesn't change the fact that the N is the top performance line for Hyundai and the R is the top performance line for Volkswagen. Otherwise if we are looking for best performance bang for your buck get the base model GTI and upgrade it aftermarket with the money saved not buying the N. Just to be clear this is one hell of a Hyundai and they have taken a real step to compete with the more established automakers in the "cool-practical-affordable cars" segment. 20 years ago Hyundai didn't offer anything like this.
@@sparkystone2743 Well, just go ahead and compare two cars that have a difference of $20k... AUD! The i30N was directly made to compete with the Golf GTI not the R, if Hyundai wanted to they could but their is more of a market for the lower hot hatches (GTI, N, 308 GTI etc).
Good review. The GTI is best for day to day driving, but if speed racer is your thing go with the N30. I wonder if the only reason people dislike a review is because they disagree with the review?
Why you compare performance version of i30n with non-performance version of GTI? This GTI has 230hp only and does not have LSD which helps in drag race start!
i'm a big golf fanboy and always was certain i would buy a 3door gti as my next car but the i30n might change my mind even with only a 5 door available
We get the Veloster N here in the USA in about a month or two. Can’t wait to give it a try. It will have the same power plant but in a smaller car!!! It should be a real giggle to drive. My Hyundai dealer knows I’m interested and will let me know as soon as they get one on allocation!! The
Hey Paul, you suggest there's not much legroom in the back of the Golf. Isn't there the exact same amount as 5 door golfs, it's just that there are only 3 doors? Usually the 5 door Golfs get reviewed by Car Advice as having plenty of room in the back.
i30N is doing what no other cars really do, put a strong engine and performance upgrades for a cheap price. In the sport models of their cars the money doesn't go into luxury features and quality but pure engine and ride performance, many people don't care about features and just want something like this and not spend too much.
I always have to ask, why on earth were you drag racing with TC turned on? Set launch control, put the holding revs slightly lower to 2750rpm, does a 0-60 time in 5.8 seconds. Bam.
Yes you are correct they should have put it against a club sport. Auto magazine in Europe tested the i30N against a VW TCR which has the golf R engine with a dsg on the hokenhime circuit. And the N was faster by a few tenths of a second. Also tested a gen 3 mustang gt and it was only I believe 1 second faster in the hot lap. The type R only 6 tenths faster than the I30 N.
For the price of a new i30N id be looking at a demo Focus RS or Golf R.....next echelon of performance compared to this car, for not much more money......
gym1993 "For the price of a new i30N (40K) id be looking at a demo Focus RS or Golf R"" You have issues reading? As I can read just fine....not sure what you're on about.
Nice review but keep in mind that the GTI is an AUS only model. The proper comparison would be the 245HP Performance Pack EU model with a LSD (which still is a bit slower than the i30N).
I love the new i30N but were the driving conditions that bad? The GTI manual consistently gets mid/upper 14’s. 15.26 at 93mph is either awful launch, bad shifts, bad conditions (or paid advertising by Hyundai). The GTI still would have lost even with normal times but it would have been much closer.
I prefer the I30n body style which we don't get in the US but the Veloster is supposed to be even more ideal for the N treatment. Lighter and I believe lower center of gravity, it's supposed to be even more dynamic than I30N.
Nice Review. its just that the last line didnt go quite well. If one need every day car, why would one spend so much and go for GTi. Rather go for a standard Golf and they would live happily ever after. If one wants performance the N makes much more sense. It evoques yous senses with the bangs and pops and the noises, that makes one giggle. That is what i would call a complete package. The i30 can dial it down to be a every day car is a good bonus. So as i see it, the Golf GTi just plays too safe and to be throughly enjoyable!!!!
Golf GTI performance package has a Limited Slip Differential. You need to compare i30N with Golf GTI Performance package, if you want to compare exactly what you want.
The problem is fuel consumption. If you buy a i30n you will be still worried about fuel and the gti is quite a bit more efficient. So for day to day driving gti would be better but for having fun definitely the i30n
If you told me a year ago, that I would want a Hyundai as a Hot Hatch over every other option, I'd call you mental. And yet here we are. Just waiting for the Hyundai to release in NZ. Well done to Al and Hyundai for this beaut.
I only sat in an i30N at a car show but I disagree about it feeling cheep inside. It felt solid and german and everything looked nice. I think Golf's interior has a nicer design but I'm not a fan of the hard shiny surfaces. Also i found both of their interiors nicer than that of the new Megane RS. Also regarding the pricing, not sure what's offered on the Australian market, but in the UK there are 2 variants i30N and i30N Performance (which is the one tested here) The cheaper one has 250 rather than 275 BHP, no LSD, no rear brace, and 18 inch wheels which brings it closer to the GTI and it's 6000 aud less which makes it cheaper than the GTI.
why compare the GTI original to the i30N when there's the regular 4 door? in terms of the interior it makes more sense. it also comes with more optional extras
good review the GTI has been around a long time but give hyundai some time to build up its name its a great start for hyundai it's a hard choice to make here but I think I would go with the hyundai just because it has been done by the guy at BMW M and it's got more room more power and I love that blue on the car. In canada we are not getting this model we are getting the Hyundai Vorster N with the same motor as this i30 so the Vorster is going to be lighter then the i30 so can't wait for that car to come in Nov 2018.
You should’ve doin an video i30n vs Golf R... that is the i30n’s mate like the same stage abt hp,torque,etc.. mostly the same .. i hope really hopping ^^ this
I live in the states and unfortunately we’re getting the Veloster N instead:(. Closes thing in terms of body style is the Elantra GT Sport or i30 as its known everywhere else. I picked up a Elantra GT Sport and no regrets
We work with what we get the veloster N has its charm in my opinion sure the i30 N seems like the forbidden fruit to so many people in the states. However, I love it reminds me of a modern crx also almost 200 lbs lighter and the veloster N just one the TCR championship in its first year of competition. The important thing is you bought what you like and are happy with it congratulations on your purchase. Maybe in a few years there will be people doing an engine swap into the Elantra GT and make there own I30N 👍
The Golf GTI is so much of everyday car that I wouldnt consider it hothatch any more. Just a normal Golf with stronger engine and some red details. I have driven both and i30 N brings much much more emotions to the driver at the expense of interior materials and badge. Plus is a lot cheaper than GTI in my country. My money is on the i30N.
Would the GTI original not be more of a comparison to the Hyundai SR and the VW R be a better comparison to the N? If we are talking speed and fun and not $$$$$? Ask yourselves R, N or even M? Be honest now? Still an R for me..🤓
Ill never understand why performance car reviewers these days will force a manual transmision show down just because thats all one of them offers. This applies to many other channels and comparisons than this one. Unless you state that the goal is to keep the price the same then you should be testing the highest performing version of each car. The GTI with DSG gear box and launch control may have still lost the 1/4 mile but it would have been very close and its .4 seconds faster 0-60. Its not the GTIs fault that hyundai doesnt offer such an option IMO.
The new MK8 coming next year should beat both versions of the N. Base GTI will have 250hp while performance pack rated 286hp and I imagine torque levels significantly better than 260 that the N has.
Hyundai is notorious for ripping off the design of its competition. Whether its BMW, Ford, Mercedes, etc. Just look at a Ford ST. Practically the same, except for the badge. Just get the real thing. I'm happy to see Hyundai making more reliable cars but they really need to work on originality. -- Besides, with an APR Stage 1 tune ($750) for the Golf GTI, you'll be over 300 whp and 350 lb/tq... which is plenty for a FWD car. EDIT: Just heard the U.S. will be getting the Veloster N. It's unique and original, unlike any other design on our market. I drove the regular Veloster and it was ok, a bit rough on the road, but i enjoyed it.
I dont understand how people are still giving flak on Hyundai for ripping off other vehicles designs when luxury brands like Infiniti Lexus has been doing that for decades.
Well Golf R would be better comparison tho, Golf gti has no chance obviously I don't even need to watch the video to know that... But for sure is more car than the i30 in day use, the i30 is so well done still for driving fun and enjoy well that for Hyundai in that way
The golf driver was snoooooozing,...my GTI ran a 14.5,...my new R ran a 13.4...its only fair it's only 21bhpbhp more than the I30. The n has 44 more than the gti
I’d still have the gulf. Yes, that Hyundai is faster but there will always be faster cars. Overall, everyday (real world ownership) the Gti is the better car.
If the sole purpuse of a car is to get you from A to B on a daily basis in relative comfort...you may as well buy a regular 1.5 TSI Golf. It will do that job just as good (if not better) as a GTI. The GTi is a as redundant as a daily driver as it is as a hot hatch. It's too fast for one thing and too slow for the other...aka 'warm hatch'.
TheDudeInTheRedHotHatch that is true as well but... most people (80%) will take a 3-5 year finance deal on either of these. I just think for something you’ll be using for that time you’ll want the better interior and overall build quality of the VW. Not to mention a larger after marker influence IF... you decide to go that route. Overall the VW is the better buy.
What's the purpuse of buying 220 hp to use it on public roads only? Paying more taxes than you need to? Collecting more speeding tickets? The interior quaility on a Golf 1.5 TSI is exactly the same as in a GTI so that's not a reason to go GTi. What you gain in resale value you will have spent double equiping the Golf to modern day standards when you bought it. I understand Australian market is somewhat different, but over here in Europe EVERYTHING is an option on a VW.
TheDudeInTheRedHotHatch that’s where you are. In the states, most of those options are standard. Can’t say I understand your market because I’m not from there. But where I’m from, there’s a reason you see VW’s everywhere.
i dont undederstand that Hyundai made their car more expensive then the golf especially when your a newcomer to the segment. i would market it 2000 under the golf's price.
Don’t blame me, but IMO you should not comapare the „normal“ GTI with the performance version of the i30n. That‘s not a fair comparison. It would be interesting to see how the 250hp standard i30n performs against a 245hp performance facelift GTI. No Chance for Hyuandai.
Remove factory muffler Add 3 1/4inch pipe with single inlet/outlet 3 1/4 outlet , program ECU with Mitsubishi big 25G turbo , large 3 inch inter cooler , you get 550 hp fun , plus deleted that plastic intake with lighter aluminum pipe design , you get 880 hp on FWD , that be flying 225 mph with large differential 2.78, bigger brake 14 inch and 14 inch front brakes modified , lower 1 3/4 suspension , you got your self GTR Nissan Alpha1 territory
the gulf is currently just a little underpowered for the current generation they need to go and step that up and get it up to about 275 to 320 horsepower
@@murata.6230 I suspect you are right. I wouldn't be shocked if Hyundai sponsored this video. There's just no way any one of these cars with such little difference in horsepower/torque can gap one another like it showed in the video if not for sheer incompetence or more likely, manipulation.
i30 N for me, tried both, and the i30N is way more fun to drive.
Yes but sterint is not theat good gilf hasbeter stering
@@markojagar6658 English please?
@@MrFister84 He said the GTI handles better.
The GTI is under tuned. See GTI Rabbit.
M Hurd many reviews I’ve seen claim the i30 N handles better than the GTI
What a great review. Didn’t feel fake or awkward. Great presenter.
Thanks!
Thanks mate :-)
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Honestly cannot wait for my i30N to arrive! I am stupidly excited!!!
Clean slate with luxury pack. Will be an absolute blast!
Jake Lombardo. Im happy for you. Too bad we dont get these in the US.
We will be getting the veloster n but my heart is with the i30n
Did u get it how is it!?!
But USA will get veloster N
14energy mate it’s incredible. I have loved every single minute of owning it 😍😍😍
Im in between i30N or 135i...
great review CARADVICE ..you guys forgot to mention one thing that Hyundai does not void warranty for track use as long as you are not competing in a race.
Very good point!
Every review I've seen of the I30 N has men laughing and giggling with glee, that's never happened in a golf, or a Ford, or a mazda.. The last time I saw adoration this unanimous was when the original Type R integra stepped on the scene.. From what I've seen so far, the N is the clear choice . Once the after market gets a hold of it, this car could be a giant killer.. I don't believe the suspension is too hard, i think its overtired, it needs 18's 45 series to flow better with the road
Bobby Bass i See People Constantly do it in the Polo though, its the immaturity with Fake missfires and a Bit more road contact also see old reviews of the mk5 gti
For me, I could careless for the backfires, its the fact everyone who drives it drives the piss out of it the whole time, that mean its engaging, and invigorating to hustle. You can see it in this review, when he was driving the golf in the countryside he was poodling along like a grandmother. When he was in the N, the scenery in the window was a blur as the car encourage him to push.. That quality is only found in very few cars .. And the Golf no matter how far you go back into history, never gave that feeling .. The killing blow for the golf is you can't turn the stability control off.. And that is just plain unforgivable
Bobby Bass you can say what you want but exhaust crackling and rougher road contact will get you going. BUT if I'd spent 35+k on a performance hatchback, that should make me giggle it would be the civic type r(for the added performance) or a Leon cupra 300 (for staying with the golf qualities and added performance) the i30n while being a cool car on it's own just doesn't kick it for me far enough in any direction. Too expensive to beat a polo or fiesta st for giggles/buck not refined enough to get into true golf territory, not fast enough to go with the type r or cupra r 290+. It just gets a bit overhyped imo for just being a 'better' golf gti when there are so many alternatives. Also I do think the upcoming Megane rs will outshine them all on pretty much every aforementioned position
I hope you enjoy the dealer and your mechanically troubled type r .. The Type R is $50,000 where I live .. The N is $36,000, a $500 retune and the type r is toast.. I wouldn't buy a Leon if you payed me .. None of those cars are engaging or fun, the N sure seems to be.. Facts are facts , people are talking about the N, not any of the others ..
Bobby Bass the type r is constantly talked about and where I live it's 36000 euros which is en par with both of them. You don't need to like the cupra r it's still faster at an equal price tag and as far as i could say the n doesn't feel that more engaging then a gti on a twisty backroad it's just that the golf is around for so long that gives you the craving for something... let's say different without straying to far . Like I said and that is just for me I'd go with a type r as it just isn't any more expensive here. And the fact that it's in everyone's mouth is just because of good advertisement.
Hyundai i30 N Performance for me.👍🏼 The best!. 😎
I got to say.. I own a i30n and I absolutely love it. Yeah it might be a little more over the top then a gti.. But it's just a pleasure to drive! Great video keep up the good work
David Haines what's the fuel economy like
Eric.v about 22mpg /10l p. 100km. Depending on how hard you drive it
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ride quality on comfort mode? I'm really struggling between golf gti original and i30N, could you give me some suggestions?
This car is truly something. Went to test drive this car the other day and it was a bloody terrific experience. Really does put a smile on your face. I'll be buying the i30N with the Luxury Pack and sunroof.
Interested in your experience, do you think you can live with the I30 day to day or are you getting as a second or weekended car?
@@matp111-9 in case you're still wondering... you can absolutely daily drive the i30N. I do, in fact. I also recently drove home from a track, picking up my daughter on the way!
Lumbar support and comfy seats are helpful, as are lane assist and (non-adaptive) cruise control.
I think i30N is in different level compared to GTI. Its closer to Golf R than to a GTI. Not quite Golf R level but closer to it in my opinion.
Price is even less closer then... ^^
No, price wise Golf is closer.
Maybe closer to GTI club sport?
The N Jas to be compared with the GTI TCR.
I mean their both 6 second cars so I have no idea what your talking about 🤦🏻♂️ the golf R is 4.6 (DSG) or 5.1 (manual) plus the GTI has a much nicer interior & better chassis, wish people would look up specs etc before making stupid comments 😟👍🏼
I30N from hyundai it's really Great hot hatch
Truer words have never been spoken, hyundai has come a hell of a long way
Great review from Paul Maric. My you have come a long way since you did car reviews for the local Geelong papers. Kudos to you.
I love the fact that you don’t have to modify the car for the exhaust to sound like that ❤️
I work for a Hyundai dealership here in England.
When we got our first demo i30n delivered, we took it straight off the transporter and out for a test drive on some country roads.
I know it was a special car immediately, the electronically controlled LSD does an amazing job through the corners.
Yes it's not the fastest hatch in a straight line, the interior quality is a bit low-rent, and it would be a tiring car to drive as a daily in many ways, due to it's back breaking ride and constant exhaust drone.
But, the positives are many, and it does do a lot of things very well, while being great value for money compared to it's competitors.
On top of that, 2 years down the line, we have not seen any common issues with these cars, just a few things wrong with individual cars, which happens with any brand or model.
I am proud to say I work for a company that can produce such a great car, on it's first attempt at that particular market segment.
Great feedback. Thanks for watching!
In all fairness, the i30N wears 235/35 R19 P Zeros Vs 225/40R18 (probably Conti SC6) on the Golf. That makes significant difference in Golf's cabin noise reduction and more refined ride. Swap those wheels around ... and you will feel the difference on how much less refined the Golf will be. The P Zeros are noisier but real performance tyres with massive grip.
Those contis are also performance tyres?
This i30N looks promising...
I wonder how the next genaration will fair aknowlaging that it's the 1st attempt and is good
I think that Hyundai is missing a opportunity to sell some unit in the US by not importing the i30. Prefer the styling/versatility over the Veloster n that is offered here.
Hyundai has really gone a long since the start. They started out with cars that were best left alone to ones that you would actually want to buy. It is absolutely astonishing! I am literally obsessed with the i30 and it’s variants and the Elantra because their designs are to die for.
Time for VW to step up it's game. Make a more aggressive looking and faster GTI. Simple order.
AudiophileTubes there is one- golf r
The Golf R is fantastic, but it is not technically a front wheel drive GTI. And it's about ten grand more expensive. Surely, VW can do even better on the GTI.
I think the MK8 GTI is the answer to your question. From what I've read it should be pretty amazing.
@@AudiophileTubes GTI Clubsport
Mk8 should be better to get near or better then this cars, mk7 is old from 2013 in Brazil, still good but not so fast
This I30N is a beast and is the new king of Hot Hatches hands down for Hyundai.
LOL that too funny. www.ttnews.com/articles/nhtsa-probing-hyundai-kia-cars-catch-fire - Too bad they are poorly design.
@@kenwong6536 clutches at straws there.
Excellent video! To me it was obvious right from the beginning that i30N would have no problem beating VW GTi. Well done Hyundai!
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Actually, you sound like you don't know much about the GTI. It's totally okay, let me educate you all. Fact: The GTI's engine is an Audi 3rd generation EA888 engine. The engine's design is rated for 500 WHP. Detuned from the factory for legal reasons. Emission laws, a vehicle can't be sold in the US with a standard 400 WHP with a curb weight of 3000 Lbs. Marketed as family friendly vehicle.
This is why anyone who wants to unlock the ECU with APR or Unitronic, adding a downpipe for merely $1200K will destroy i30N and most hot hatches.
Go search on RUclips for Stage 2 MK7 GTI or Golf R and you'll rethink after your lieing watch the hundreds of videos of the GTI beating the competition.
@@sporopeza we dont care what it is. Keep your lessons. GTI is weak on drag and loses to the new kid i30N
@@sporopeza Most people who buy hot hatches aren't looking to tune them anywhere above 300 hp. Especially, using your own words, if they are marketed as family friendly vehicles. That's the education you've been missing out on. And if you want a really strong VW Golf, still no point in considering the GTI, pay the extra for the R. Forgot to mention, you tune your box on wheels, you lose your warranty. As if VW had any useful warranty 🤣
Hyundai has done a great job with the i30 N. It will be interesting to see how it stacks up to the Mk8 when its released. Also props to VW for making a the Mk7 which was released in 2013 still relevant today with only minor styling refreshes.
Good review !
I have driven both and whilst I like the novelty of the I30 N with the pops and bangs.
I think for me the comfort, interior quality and overall refinement of the golf is a far better match for day to day driving?
I don’t live on a race track and the 2-3 days a year I go to the track would not outweigh the 362
very well said. Everyone is so quick to jump on Hyundai's bandwagon because of a drag race on a video lol. GTI as a whole package all day every day. It's only a $500 tune away from being very very quick and even stock they are quick enough and the real world fuel economy is WAY better than the Hyundai.
Agree 100%. Comfort, interior quality, refinement is more important than track times! 👍
However, you forgot to consider RELIABILITY! Its a big factor to consider in terms of ownership. IMHO, I believe that the GTI is one hell of a car! It’s the best daily in terms of comfort, refinement, performance, size and its understated look will age quite well. Two of me mates owns GTIs, so I’ve driven it occasionally. The car really impresses me every time!
I was close to pulling the trigger and getting me own. Twice, I was in a VW dealership, ready to sign for one. Every time, I also changed my mind and walked off!
The deal was, every time I thought of the RELIABILITY ISSUES they have to put up with over and over again, it just discouraged me. It’s no fun, and it’s not cheap!
Over time, one can get used to a not so impressive and plush interior or a less refined ride, but one CANNOT just simply get used to something that gives you headaches and drain your wallet! The 362 days is unlikely for the GTi, cuz it will spend sometime in the garage coz of the reliability issues!
Lesson learned: I like driving the GTI...BUT I wouldn’t to own one!
Reliability is important too....Golf always have mechanical issues....any VW in fact
Is the best car on the moment in this class.
Nenad Milkovic civic type r and cupra r want to have a little chat also the Megane rs is already sharpening it's teeth while the 208 and 308 gti can only smile at the new contender
Warsheep2k6 the type r might be quicker but it will be in the aftermarket department turbos injectors ecus price and availability and engine reliability that these new cars in time will prove their true worth and resale value like that of the 2jzgte supra.
You can't beat it pricewise but the type r is a little quicker and a little pricier I'd take the Hyundai any day and save 20 thousand or so
@@jarrodlee1506 Actually, you sound like you don't know much about the GTI. It's totally okay, let me educate you all. Fact: The GTI's engine is an Audi 3rd generation EA888 engine. The engine's design is rated for 500 WHP. Detuned from the factory for legal reasons. Emission laws, a vehicle can't be sold in the US with a standard 400 WHP with a curb weight of 3000 Lbs. Marketed as family friendly vehicle.
This is why anyone who wants to unlock the ECU with APR or Unitronic, adding a downpipe for merely $1200K will destroy i30N and most hot hatches.
Go search on RUclips for Stage 2 MK7 GTI or Golf R and you'll rethink after your lieing watch the hundreds of videos of the GTI beating the competition.
@@sporopeza Had 2016 GTI DSG with APR stage 2 tune and downpipe. Overboosted, blew the turbo, shrepnels got inside the engine block. Took the flash out, changed everything back to stock, took it back to the dealer hoping that it'd be covered under warranty. NOPE. paid $12,000 to replace the engine and sold it. I loved the GTI for the short duration of the ownership, but after driving the Veloster N for a while, I am not going back. Even without any tune or modification, it is sooooooooo much more fun to drive.
No brainer, hands down - i30N wins. It's funny reading butthurt VW GTI fans comments below. Accept the defeat, move on and wait for a rematch with better version/model P. E. R. I. O. D.
As an mk7 gti owner I do accept the fact that i30N is a much faster car.
Well to be fair this is Hyundai's best hot hatch vs VW's 2nd best hot hatch. Not exactly a fair comparison. If you were comparing an i30n and mk7R then that would be fair.
@@sparkystone2743 That's not how you compare them, you compare based on price. If they did a N vs R comparison, it would be like comparing a base model Corolla and a Lexus CT.
@Jaymate no it really isn't. It is comparing an average automakers top of the line compact car VS. another average automakers top of the line compact car. It's an apples to apples comparison. Toyota is an average automaker and Lexus is a luxury automaker. Apples to oranges. I can appreciate that Hyundai is cheaper than Volkswagen but this doesn't change the fact that the N is the top performance line for Hyundai and the R is the top performance line for Volkswagen.
Otherwise if we are looking for best performance bang for your buck get the base model GTI and upgrade it aftermarket with the money saved not buying the N.
Just to be clear this is one hell of a Hyundai and they have taken a real step to compete with the more established automakers in the "cool-practical-affordable cars" segment. 20 years ago Hyundai didn't offer anything like this.
@@sparkystone2743 Well, just go ahead and compare two cars that have a difference of $20k... AUD! The i30N was directly made to compete with the Golf GTI not the R, if Hyundai wanted to they could but their is more of a market for the lower hot hatches (GTI, N, 308 GTI etc).
Good review. The GTI is best for day to day driving, but if speed racer is your thing go with the N30. I wonder if the only reason people dislike a review is because they disagree with the review?
Love the i30 n
Me2
Why you compare performance version of i30n with non-performance version of GTI? This GTI has 230hp only and does not have LSD which helps in drag race start!
Price ???
Great review. Thanks.
i'm a big golf fanboy and always was certain i would buy a 3door gti as my next car but the i30n might change my mind even with only a 5 door available
GTI MK7 Stage 2= bye bye iN30. This is only a $1200 upgrade 350 WHP later 😀
We get the Veloster N here in the USA in about a month or two. Can’t wait to give it a try. It will have the same power plant but in a smaller car!!! It should be a real giggle to drive. My Hyundai dealer knows I’m interested and will let me know as soon as they get one on allocation!! The
Hey Paul, you suggest there's not much legroom in the back of the Golf. Isn't there the exact same amount as 5 door golfs, it's just that there are only 3 doors? Usually the 5 door Golfs get reviewed by Car Advice as having plenty of room in the back.
Would have been a more fair comparison performance wise to put it against the golf r, the hyundai is a fab car though .
i30N is doing what no other cars really do, put a strong engine and performance upgrades for a cheap price. In the sport models of their cars the money doesn't go into luxury features and quality but pure engine and ride performance, many people don't care about features and just want something like this and not spend too much.
I always have to ask, why on earth were you drag racing with TC turned on? Set launch control, put the holding revs slightly lower to 2750rpm, does a 0-60 time in 5.8 seconds. Bam.
We used a variety of methods and ran with the quickest.
I wanna see this against the seat leon cupra
Wouldn't it be better to compare it with the GTI Clubsport? It got nearly the same horsepower and is a more sharper version of the normal GTI.
Yes you are correct they should have put it against a club sport. Auto magazine in Europe tested the i30N against a VW TCR which has the golf R engine with a dsg on the hokenhime circuit. And the N was faster by a few tenths of a second. Also tested a gen 3 mustang gt and it was only I believe 1 second faster in the hot lap. The type R only 6 tenths faster than the I30 N.
For the price of a new i30N id be looking at a demo Focus RS or Golf R.....next echelon of performance compared to this car, for not much more money......
You can find a demo Golf R for under $40K?
ronaldov09 i30N is 45k....
@ronaldov09 who said that read comment!!
gym1993 "For the price of a new i30N (40K) id be looking at a demo Focus RS or Golf R""
You have issues reading? As I can read just fine....not sure what you're on about.
ronaldov09 post a link to an I30N for 40k on carsales.....they are 44.5k min.
Nice review but keep in mind that the GTI is an AUS only model. The proper comparison would be the 245HP Performance Pack EU model with a LSD (which still is a bit slower than the i30N).
I love the new i30N but were the driving conditions that bad? The GTI manual consistently gets mid/upper 14’s. 15.26 at 93mph is either awful launch, bad shifts, bad conditions (or paid advertising by Hyundai). The GTI still would have lost even with normal times but it would have been much closer.
Coming from a 2001 lancer I don't think the road noise would bother me or be worse. I can't hear the radio going between Sydney and Wollongong.
I prefer the I30n body style which we don't get in the US but the Veloster is supposed to be even more ideal for the N treatment. Lighter and I believe lower center of gravity, it's supposed to be even more dynamic than I30N.
Nice Review. its just that the last line didnt go quite well. If one need every day car, why would one spend so much and go for GTi. Rather go for a standard Golf and they would live happily ever after.
If one wants performance the N makes much more sense. It evoques yous senses with the bangs and pops and the noises, that makes one giggle. That is what i would call a complete package. The i30 can dial it down to be a every day car is a good bonus.
So as i see it, the Golf GTi just plays too safe and to be throughly enjoyable!!!!
Golf GTI performance package has a Limited Slip Differential. You need to compare i30N with Golf GTI Performance package, if you want to compare exactly what you want.
Bet the re sale shows a difference in what's good value
I cant wait to get mine next week 😊😊😊😊
You could feel the authenticity of how much he was enjoying the i30N... I'd likely have a smile just as wide..
The problem is fuel consumption. If you buy a i30n you will be still worried about fuel and the gti is quite a bit more efficient. So for day to day driving gti would be better but for having fun definitely the i30n
If you told me a year ago, that I would want a Hyundai as a Hot Hatch over every other option, I'd call you mental.
And yet here we are. Just waiting for the Hyundai to release in NZ. Well done to Al and Hyundai for this beaut.
I'd like to see a comparison between i30N vs golf gti clubsport
How does it compare to Golf R? I know R is 4 wheel drive but power wise they are almost on par
Drive a normal golf for a weekend, nothing to look at but a dream to drive....
I only sat in an i30N at a car show but I disagree about it feeling cheep inside. It felt solid and german and everything looked nice. I think Golf's interior has a nicer design but I'm not a fan of the hard shiny surfaces. Also i found both of their interiors nicer than that of the new Megane RS. Also regarding the pricing, not sure what's offered on the Australian market, but in the UK there are 2 variants i30N and i30N Performance (which is the one tested here) The cheaper one has 250 rather than 275 BHP, no LSD, no rear brace, and 18 inch wheels which brings it closer to the GTI and it's 6000 aud less which makes it cheaper than the GTI.
What a review, awesome!
Can you turn off backfiring without loosing power?
Yes.
not entirely correct. that exhaust "farting" is part of the turbo anti-lag system.... turning it off will cause the turbo to take longer to spool.
GTI owner here. If the i30N were available in the US, I'd trade in the GTI in a heartbeat.
why compare the GTI original to the i30N when there's the regular 4 door? in terms of the interior it makes more sense. it also comes with more optional extras
Cool review but there's some misinformation.
I30N doesn't have flared wheel arches, they are the same on every model.
Also there's no active aero.
What I’m wondering is, is the i30n engine maxed out ( won’t gain as much power like the gti does with a tune)?
Funny the stock gti is tested at 14.2 @ 99mph in the quarter. While here it does a 15.2 @ 93mph 🤔
QwikVette87 elevation and religion plays to that too. Air quality, oxogen per liter, ect.
Not to mentioned that 14.2 is probably with DSG trans not 6mt. This is apples to apples test.
yup, the manual leaves a lot more to driver skill to get a good time, DSG anyone can replicate a fast time.
Oh my, that i30N's crackles and pops exhaust reminds me of AMG C63's.
The sound from a V8 is entirely different. My Chevrolet SS does the same, and compared to a 4 cylinder is miles better. Ditto the C63
Not that much, but this one is absolutely amazing considering its 2.0 stock version
Why you don't try with golf R which is the same hp
But which car could you live with every day? We dont drag race in everyday.
Both really. Thanks for your feedback!
Point made, the N choice is a GO.. looking at getting the Fastback ..
Sound system comparison between these cars, anyone know if the i30 does well?
good review the GTI has been around a long time but give hyundai some time to build up its name its a great start for hyundai it's a hard choice to make here but I think I would go with the hyundai just because it has been done by the guy at BMW M and it's got more room more power and I love that blue on the car. In canada we are not getting this model we are getting the Hyundai Vorster N with the same motor as this i30 so the Vorster is going to be lighter then the i30 so can't wait for that car to come in Nov 2018.
How much is a base model Golf R where you're at?
About $15k more than the i30N
Unfair comparative... should be at least GTI performance or R. But still i30 is a beast!
The Golf R is different category than i30N...
You should’ve doin an video i30n vs Golf R... that is the i30n’s mate like the same stage abt hp,torque,etc.. mostly the same .. i hope really hopping ^^ this
I live in the states and unfortunately we’re getting the Veloster N instead:(. Closes thing in terms of body style is the Elantra GT Sport or i30 as its known everywhere else. I picked up a Elantra GT Sport and no regrets
We work with what we get the veloster N has its charm in my opinion sure the i30 N seems like the forbidden fruit to so many people in the states. However, I love it reminds me of a modern crx also almost 200 lbs lighter and the veloster N just one the TCR championship in its first year of competition. The important thing is you bought what you like and are happy with it congratulations on your purchase. Maybe in a few years there will be people doing an engine swap into the Elantra GT and make there own I30N 👍
The Golf GTI is so much of everyday car that I wouldnt consider it hothatch any more. Just a normal Golf with stronger engine and some red details. I have driven both and i30 N brings much much more emotions to the driver at the expense of interior materials and badge. Plus is a lot cheaper than GTI in my country. My money is on the i30N.
Lovely review.
Would the GTI original not be more of a comparison to the Hyundai SR and the VW R be a better comparison to the N? If we are talking speed and fun and not $$$$$? Ask yourselves R, N or even M? Be honest now? Still an R for me..🤓
Why are the 1/4 mile times different from your other video?
We had the chance to test the i30 N further following this video and published the best results in our other video, after this one was edited.
Why didn’t you put it up against golf R?
I think im probably going to get a i30 but I live in Europe and the Seat Leon Cupra is a option for me which I think will be a slightly better car
This review would have been more equal if you had of used a Golf R with similar power out puts.
4x4 vs Front unfair
Why would you not compare the i30 N to the Golf type R isnt that a much better comparison as the HPs are more similar?
Ill never understand why performance car reviewers these days will force a manual transmision show down just because thats all one of them offers. This applies to many other channels and comparisons than this one. Unless you state that the goal is to keep the price the same then you should be testing the highest performing version of each car. The GTI with DSG gear box and launch control may have still lost the 1/4 mile but it would have been very close and its .4 seconds faster 0-60. Its not the GTIs fault that hyundai doesnt offer such an option IMO.
Why these cars are not having Carbon fibre body and magnesium wheel ???
The new MK8 coming next year should beat both versions of the N. Base GTI will have 250hp while performance pack rated 286hp and I imagine torque levels significantly better than 260 that the N has.
I always piss on and look down on any Veloster I see on the road with my Mk7 GTI... Guess that changed now.. * sobs in corner *
Hyundai is notorious for ripping off the design of its competition. Whether its BMW, Ford, Mercedes, etc. Just look at a Ford ST. Practically the same, except for the badge. Just get the real thing. I'm happy to see Hyundai making more reliable cars but they really need to work on originality. -- Besides, with an APR Stage 1 tune ($750) for the Golf GTI, you'll be over 300 whp and 350 lb/tq... which is plenty for a FWD car. EDIT: Just heard the U.S. will be getting the Veloster N. It's unique and original, unlike any other design on our market. I drove the regular Veloster and it was ok, a bit rough on the road, but i enjoyed it.
I dont understand how people are still giving flak on Hyundai for ripping off other vehicles designs when luxury brands like Infiniti Lexus has been doing that for decades.
The Golf has an Tsi Motor and that has a lot of Problems.
Well Golf R would be better comparison tho, Golf gti has no chance obviously I don't even need to watch the video to know that... But for sure is more car than the i30 in day use, the i30 is so well done still for driving fun and enjoy well that for Hyundai in that way
The golf driver was snoooooozing,...my GTI ran a 14.5,...my new R ran a 13.4...its only fair it's only 21bhpbhp more than the I30. The n has 44 more than the gti
skip to12:00. that's it
I would of preferred a club sport comparison, nonetheless still awesome review
I'm no expert but I've looked at different review videos but I'm still in a limbo can the drivers switch between car's twice each atleast
I like that the Golf is an evolution. Not a revolution. We'll have to see the MK8
I’d still have the gulf. Yes, that Hyundai is faster but there will always be faster cars. Overall, everyday (real world ownership) the Gti is the better car.
If the sole purpuse of a car is to get you from A to B on a daily basis in relative comfort...you may as well buy a regular 1.5 TSI Golf. It will do that job just as good (if not better) as a GTI. The GTi is a as redundant as a daily driver as it is as a hot hatch. It's too fast for one thing and too slow for the other...aka 'warm hatch'.
TheDudeInTheRedHotHatch that is true as well but... most people (80%) will take a 3-5 year finance deal on either of these. I just think for something you’ll be using for that time you’ll want the better interior and overall build quality of the VW. Not to mention a larger after marker influence IF... you decide to go that route. Overall the VW is the better buy.
What's the purpuse of buying 220 hp to use it on public roads only? Paying more taxes than you need to? Collecting more speeding tickets? The interior quaility on a Golf 1.5 TSI is exactly the same as in a GTI so that's not a reason to go GTi. What you gain in resale value you will have spent double equiping the Golf to modern day standards when you bought it. I understand Australian market is somewhat different, but over here in Europe EVERYTHING is an option on a VW.
TheDudeInTheRedHotHatch that’s where you are. In the states, most of those options are standard. Can’t say I understand your market because I’m not from there. But where I’m from, there’s a reason you see VW’s everywhere.
Probably, American Golfs aren't even built in Germany, they are built in Mexico. Lower wages, less unions, ...
i dont undederstand that Hyundai made their car more expensive then the golf especially when your a newcomer to the segment. i would market it 2000 under the golf's price.
They didnt use 7.5 GTI performance? It has 245ps and would be a better comp.
It's not active aero if it doesn't move
Don’t blame me, but IMO you should not comapare the „normal“ GTI with the performance version of the i30n. That‘s not a fair comparison. It would be interesting to see how the 250hp standard i30n performs against a 245hp performance facelift GTI. No Chance for Hyuandai.
How about race the megane rs
The fwd bias of the Golf holds it back off the start.The i30 looks like a bargain thou.
Remove factory muffler Add 3 1/4inch pipe with single inlet/outlet 3 1/4 outlet , program ECU with Mitsubishi big 25G turbo , large 3 inch inter cooler , you get 550 hp fun , plus deleted that plastic intake with lighter aluminum pipe design , you get 880 hp on FWD , that be flying 225 mph with large differential 2.78, bigger brake 14 inch and 14 inch front brakes modified , lower 1 3/4 suspension , you got your self GTR Nissan Alpha1 territory
Not a fare comparison.
Try the vw GOLF R
Much more expensive than the i30N in any form, so how is *that* a fair comparison?
Méh Imre same class of vehicle. Price is irrelevant. And besides, the i30 is more expensive.
The type R would be better being a front wheel drive like the i30.
the gulf is currently just a little underpowered for the current generation they need to go and step that up and get it up to about 275 to 320 horsepower
That launch looks really suspect. I mean in 1st gear the N already put on 1.5 cars on the GTI.
Fake test. Thats all. If you look on the technical data's you will see the truth.
@@murata.6230 I suspect you are right. I wouldn't be shocked if Hyundai sponsored this video. There's just no way any one of these cars with such little difference in horsepower/torque can gap one another like it showed in the video if not for sheer incompetence or more likely, manipulation.
@@thatebutuoyguy788 Yes, correct. I30N has a nice sound, that's all. The GTI TCR needs 0-200 17 sec. I30N 23 sec😂