CARB VS EFI: What's The Best Option For You?
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- Опубликовано: 24 сен 2020
- The age old debate still rages on.. What's best For your Foxbody Build?? And why?
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Ive been a professional auto technician for 40 years now. Started back in the 80s to present. Have seen the entire wave, from the 60s repairs to present. A carberator is the most reliable by far, especially singles. A lot less troubleshooting, vs plugging in a scanner, pulling codes, electrical diagnosis, so on. The manufacturers, and EPA have SCAMMED the world.. That's all ill say..
No shit man he literally pulled the words from my mouth. Idling up, surging, cold starts, it’s all bullshit. Damn I need a carb for mine
I got a brawler 650 carburetor on mine. And I love the way carbureted cars run You don't have to mess with them. When I had fuel injection on my motor it was a pain in my ass. Never would run right
I'm looking for a new carb to replace my old motocraft holly 600 . I was thinking about going with a 650 brawler. How easy was the initial setup on it. I haven't been able to get anyone to comment back to me on it lol.
I live carb for that instant response. Literally connected to the throttle. No waiting for the computer to tell the injectors to do something. Situations for both...
this is what I was looking for; but no one has touched it till now and was starting to wonder if I had it wrong in my head and was just my imagination...
Exactly!!!
A good in tune carb offers instant response. It reminds me of the direct injection systems in the newest cars throttle response is insane.
Fuel injection with mechanical throttle like 2v new edges will give you the same throttle response. But I still prefer carbs over fi because they're pretty easy to tune by yourself without dropping 2 grand on a holley terminator or something
Just get a tune........ Instant response......
I’m honestly surprised yaw don’t have more subs you put out some of the best fox content on RUclips in my opinion. Love the videos
Thank you 🙏
Y’all*
You hit solid points on the subject I happen to agree fully. I have the same carb as Andrew on my 84 and its dead solid reliable I could daily that car if it had AC! And on the subject of how good a carb feels to drive, its the throttle response. Efi just dont compare in that department.
You can always use an A/F sensor and gauge to tune a carb car, that's pretty much most the battle right there.
I just think there is no comparison to the sound of a 4 barrel opening up.
Now these are the videos I like to see, straight 100. I was on the fence on going efi or carb on a roller 302 in my 96 single cab short with a 300 and 5 speed manual. This video just swayed me to carbed. Keep'em coming Fellas. 💯💯
the only reason people hate on the carb cars is because they dont know how to tune them up right ....i see a lot of people taking cars to the shops getting a tun up and carb adjusted and in there head its not right so they start dicking around with it and totally mess up the tun of it......i take all the efi junk off when i build a older car .....carb is the most reliable .......easy peasy to tune to .....most and biggest thing to get right is the choke adjustment!!...... if the choke is not set perfectly dont matter how you set the idle mixtures or anything else for that matter ......lol...easy...and i dont need a computer or a scanner to tell me why my carb car wont run to......fix it on the side of the road with duct tape and bailing wire ......lmao.....
That's what i hate about California. I've had 3 foxbodies. An 85, 91, and now an 88. I loved driving the 85. It was so much fun. The shitty part. You can't even legally change the carburetor. I'd love to get another 85, this time with T-tops. I can do pretty much any thing but that damn carb. I can't even have true duel exhaust... only 1 to 2. People say move out of California. Wish i could. Hoping for the legislation or a different governor that will bump up the year past 1975. I love my cars and guns. I'm not giving up.
Well look at it this way, ur crappy governor just signed a bill you will not even be able to own a gas operated car in 2035. Just sayin 😉 Leave that liberal state and don't look back.🇺🇸...i should apologize sorry for putting down ur state it's beautiful, it's just the people running it, too much government involved.
Mustang Marty no, they just won’t sell them anymore......still sucks.
@@mustangmarty8491 Stop lying it says you can not buy a new gas car not that you can not own one
First off you can change carb as they make aftermarket carbs that at C.A.R.B approved . "I can't even have true duel exhaust." Funny I had that done to my mustang when I lived in California , no issues passing smog
Not in California. What county?
I was a fuel injection guy till I threw a carburetor on my car and loved it. As long as it's a properly sized carb with the supporting parts it works great. I now have a blow through carburetor set up from csu and that carb was well worth the money. Same adjustments for the blow through carb just needed a boost referenced power valve and fuel regulator for the most part.
Ive said it before but i seriously LOVE the relationship between you and Andrew.. ive had my real Dad say i wasnt his..a step dad adopt me and then leave me and my mom high and dry. To see you be a man that you Dont have to be gives me a great respect for you.
Thanks brother 🙏 I appreciate that
"Thats that calypso killer" lmao
He’s gonna have to stand on that comment here soon. 😂😆
BREW2L what type of times
1/4 do you think Andrew running.. ( ballpark)
Lol
My favorite new channel bro !!Rebuilding my 89 from the ground up and ran across ya. TONS of great FoxBody Stang info !!!
Thanks for the great info - my 89 LX Notchback AOD is in the process of going from EFI to Carb. Will have a 600 cfm Holley carb, Edelbrock Performer intake, Longtube headers (true dual exhaust with Flowmaster mufflers), air conditioner delete, Summit Racing 140 amp one wire alt, aluminum radiator with Mishimoto fans, battery relocated to trunk. Keep up the good work - long time subscriber.
The first thing done on these cars back in the day was taking of the distributer boot cover. It holds the wires to close together they are known for aching. I'm pretty sure it was part of a TSB. along with the rerouting of the wires.
I am at this very crossroads right now. I have an 89 GT, and I pulled the motor to address the shock towers. I was going to rebuild the original motor. I thought about a stroker kit, but instead for what the cheapest pre balanced 347 kit cost, I found a built 302..all new work and parts. Windsor Jrs, High comp pistons, flat face valves, street cam, etc etc. It came with a new edelbrock 4 barrel intake. So I was thinking at first to put the fuel injection on top of this (1974) 302...but I am leaning towards a carb at this point.
Both definitely have a place and I personally like them both for different reasons. I swapped a n 86 to carb since the intake/heads are junk anyway and the SD never idled right.
I took a little break from YT but back to watching...will upload more vids soon. Great informational vid...again...of course :)
Holley 4BBL fuel injection 600 - 1000+ HP makes more power than both EFI & carbs without the idle issues of old EFI or CFI, more fuel economy than a carb when cruising, it’s self learning & easily tunable for your power adders, better ignition setup and fuel setup. It’s even available in carb appearance for older carbed purists and sleeper cars.
I bought my 88 with the carb swap. I was kinda bummed somebody done that until I seen how much easier it was to make run right when I started adding upgrades. I love it
Good to know. I want to carb my 89' has B cam. Correct me if I'm wrong. All I need is intake, carb and hei distr and fuel pressure regulator. Love your content as usual Brew2l...👍👍
Smooth talking , intresting notes , grate information delivery , Big time fun to watch!!
I am a F subscriber!!
Love the channel. Thanks for all the Insight that you give. I think you should do a video with all three of the foxes or even with your pops Foxs as well
So I haven't had a ton of experience with Fox bodies although I do love them! I do have a ton of experience with the same year in f-150s. My 91 F-150 had a great setup of fuel injection that was robust enough that you could work on it but did give you the advantages of fuel injection. The engine's now shot because of an improper part made of the factory so I'm going to be throwing a carburetor on mine to make an engine swap a little simpler. I definitely look forward to tuning it up and getting the most out of it! One day I will return it back to the original EFI just because it ran so well but I do see where a lot of problems can occur especially in the little sensors. And idle air control sensor goes out every few months and it always leaves you on side of the road lol. Definitely a great video and who knows I might even want to get me a fox body!
I run the Super Sniper Stealth as a blow thru for my blower. Best of both worlds!
Man I just found your channel after I just finally got back in the fox body game. Awesome stuff man. Btw my car has sniper efi it’s like a carb with a brain
This video and Andrews car in general convinced me to throw a plate kit on my car. Just got back from making the first couple pulls, strong like bull!!
I like that clip of andrews car from the chase vehicle when he hits it and blows all the dust up or smoke
Nitrous hitting
No lie I have a carb that I bought brand new and the float wasn’t set so I got discouraged and wanted to go fuel injection but this video gave me more confidence in keeping my carb on my car. Thanks
That was some awesome information guys thanks
Great video, however from experience, when canyon type road racing, the carbs use to lean out on bank or the other, where as direct port efi supplies fuel to each cylinder directly, so no lean out period.
Great vid bro
New setup looks great💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
Ya, I have 90 notch built 351w 750 Holly Double Pumler carb, gonna stick with the carb, it absolutely does seem much rarer to dum the peddle on a carb motor, also cheaper. Your videos always help me to make good decisions . Thank you.
Awesome carb, best fuel system in my opinion!!!!
Great video and comparison. In the modern day E.F.I. era it's still nice to see a carb car running great power. I love the flat screen in the background. Is that on your back porch, or are we seeing in your living room?
Carbs are ok wherever it doesn't get very cold. If it does get cold it's a different story.
I grew up tuning carbureted cars and driving them in all kinds of weather. Two other things that mess with carbs are altitude and humidity changes. To keep one well-tuned you really need to stay on top of their tuning, because it can and will change from day to day. Yeah, you can go ahead and just drive them and it won't affect you much unless you are racing. That's where you can really see the differences, it's why racers always keep logbooks with temperatures and humidity recorded as well as other tuning information.
Because of that, I'd choose EFI because it will pretty much tune itself in those instances.
I agree with you 100% on the carb versus efi.
I have an 86 Bronco with SD efi, and flat tappet cam.
I just pulled a Roller 5.0 which i installed a Trick Flow Top end Kit. Good for 430 HP.
Its swapped over to carb. Its easier to set up. Modify and keep tuned.
I have absolutely zero regrets!
I'm using blow through with the holley sniper not carburetor lol, it works good, I use a msd 6al with a holley dual sync distributor so I can control the timing with boost
Carbs are definitely a different story to get used to over EFI. If I'm going to build a race car. Carburetor is the way to go. Or, an existing street car set up for carburetors is also a learning experience to see how car run and make them work.
Another advantage to a carb build is wiring as in none. My 73 Duster has 5 engine wires fwd of the firewall (dist and alt) because I put everything else aft including the coil. Another advantage is maintenance as in it's a super clean installation. There are more fuel and oil lines running around up there than wires. However I love efi on a stock driver. Try getting a choke delete carb motor started in cold weather without a fire. A trick I learned on light airplanes and carb hot rods for cold weather starts. Prime the crap out of it then wait a minute or so. Let that liquid gas vaporize a while then crank it. It wont stop all carb or air box fires, but it does reduce the chances because the engine has some vapor to run on.
oops forgot the starter, 2 more wires.
I honestly thought about doing carbureted on my 363 in the future!
Just went carb on my H/C/I on my 94 SN. Just started it the other day for the first time and it feels amazing compared to the EFI.
I ran a 650 double pump hp on my 84 Camaro z28 350 and drove it to work 135miles round trip everyday for about 2yrs no issues
When you were talking about the top end chatter and whatnot, it's worth mentioning maintenance I think. I wanna tear my hair out thinking about doing anything with my heads with all my EFI in the way.
Interesting! I think I like the carb better ! Would like to see a how to video on switching from efi to carb
I don't know what I like at the moment.
My 83 is a holley 600 vac sec. (Not the original 4180) it's a 70s chev 4160 reverse idle screw. Runs really well...sometimes I wish it was a newer factory efi car. But I can't really complain. Always starts and runs very well.
Been trying to get a friends 64 plymouth going with fitech. What a nightmare.
If you replace your stock mass air meter with a PRO M you will not have idle issues any longer. I have trick flow top end kit with a 10 lb blower and have not had to do a base idle reset EVER since I put it on (several years ago).
Hey thanks guys. I just want something simple and cheap to fix and repair and have fun with and you made my dream come a little more true with a c3 corvette. Alot of people i talk to say carburetors are a headache and a pain to work with and some people say they are as simple as a toaster. Alot of mixed bias opinions.
EFI vs CARB is the decision I'm in the middle right now. Building a long rod 306 N/A for a road race track day car. Have the entire 97' Explorer drive train as my base to build from. Upgrading the stock items to produce the power I'm after will cost as much or more than switching to a decent carb set up... and I could still sell the stock items to recoup a few bucks. However cost alone is not the important factor.
I built a car similar to Andrew's in the mid 90's because of cost and lack of EFI knowledge it ran 10.50s in the quarter. I currently have a 89 coup with a fuel Injected 302 with a pony down turbo kit that i built in 2006 makes 525hp to the tire reliably. I personally think that the fuel injection is better more reliable but costs more.
Start with a Windsor based motor! Done both! The rod stroke ratio is much better with a 9.5 de ck block! Noone believes it's a 306!!😂😂
agree--you pay more, you get more. just like most things in life.
Great video!
Thanks. I'm really thinking about going carb with my 93 5.0
Glad yall made this video causd ive been deciding which setup to do cause we are putting a 302 5.0 in my 04 mustang 40th package with the v6 soo i think im gonna go carb
Ive always had EFI Mustangs as i liked the tuning capabilities and drivability but I will be getting another foxbody and that will be carb efi system (like Holley sniper) best of both worlds and to be honest i don’t need boat loads of torque down low so want the increase in power mid to high range.
I learned something ! I’m team Carbureted ! 1986 GT 130 shot !
@brew2l thanks for the awesome video and topic! Im currently in that same dilemma on what to choose. However im deciding between the Holley Sniper EFI kit or a Carb/msd set up. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. I'm building 2 302's from Foxbodys for my and my dads Ford Mavericks. Both have Edelbrock intakes (carb style)
Thanks for the info!
Now somebody help me get this EFI running! Yeee haaa!!
Lol! I have an 89 factory except for headers E303 & bigger exhaust valves!
Old fuel pump died Halloween 2017!!! After rebuilding the engine!
Kids in college…. Finally tryin to resurrect!
Nice mustang u guys have there!
Those wheels up against that color on that car though!!💪🔥
I don't own a mustang but the same type of issues are present on my '88 county squire. Yeah, a wagon. Still, i grew up during the carburetor and pionts era and spent the '80s turning wrenches till I became frustrated with the trend the big three and imports were on. Thanks for posting this vid. There is something to say for a car you can nurse home (carbureted) with relative ease compared to efi. 😎
So now I have to rethink the turbo setup. Sounding like it has power is as important as having power to some. Either way , I'm a newbie with a 89 convertible so I really feel like a step child. But I'm learning a ton from comments.
About to take back my Holley EFI Sniper....
Thank you for the video
i have a 85 HO t - top 5 - speed . 61.000 on it . 2 - speed clutch fan still works. YEA
A turbo car will always take a few extra seconds to start because it’s drawing it’s intake air through all the turbo and turbo piping
The sad thing is my EFI vert runs and drives great but still needs a rebuild. I'm binge watching and catching up today buddy.
The 1.7 rockers increase the lift on the cam over the stock 1.6 ratio. So it will sound more radical because technically it is. Not sure the of the exact increase though.. edit... just saw a video that stated the 1.7's increase the B cam lift to around .512. Someone else replied .510.!
Im all about that carb life
I carbed my 1990 because it was missing a ton of EFI stuff when I bought it plus my engine friend is good with carbs bought the car for $500 put $600 into engine inluding carb and she fired up on the first shot after sitting 5 years about $2500 into wheels body and interior and I got a fun little weekend toy feels like a go kart compared to my daily 2015 F350
Coming back to This video in a dilemma my thought process was to get my car running on carb to keep my motivation to finish up the car. 92 Lx hatch 4cyl right now have a Lincoln mk7 90 block I have gt40ps and a e 303 cam
I do believe on you guys, i think EFI engine is perfect when its new and basic, but when your engine got aged or customized it then its true you can't make it perfectly stable. But on carbureted engines the only problems you will encounter is when it got dirty and very easy to clean after that ... booom it will run again like new!
Thanks guys more power to your channel God bless
I agree on the carb setup but you can get a rich idle when running a moderate cam and if it auto spin the money and get the 4r70 and a us shift and you can drive where you want to
The us shift controller is legit
@@southernracing2468 yes it worked great for me.once I figured out the program and you can call them and they will help with any problems
Blow thru carb setups are pretty simple. Tuning is a bit simpler.
That’s a nice Fox color wheel color combo Fox.
Love both but carbs are so easy to tune and the response is crisp but the granny shiftin ooof
You two are hilarious! I have never have a carb set up the respect it deserves until now. Thanks man
I would love to see a video about if a 4eye carbureted foxbody is worth it for a proyect car or if a 1979-1986 foxbody is worth it
Great video I’m up in the air about switching my carburetor to efi fitech not really looking for speed more a cruiser reliability what do you think
One of my most viewed videos is why I went carb on my 347 car. But my 331 fuel injected car already outran it and I haven’t even began to touch the potential of it 🤷♂️. I love a 4 barrel engine though. Nothing but love
Gonna make some C4 Foxbody 3 Speed Gang shirts for me and Andrew 🤣
A nicely tuned efi setup is money when it all clicks, ain’t gonna lie about that 💪
I liked watching your 4 cyl notch swap to the BluePrint 347. I bought a BluePrint 408 from the Summit clearance rack with the intention of swapping better heads and camshaft in it. I have not installed the 408 yet into my 90 LX. I just swapped the BluePrint 190 cc pedestal mount heads onto my 85 351w vert in place of iron GT40 heads. I cleaned up the bowls a little with a Dremel and sanding rolls. I found my crate engine had 15 leaking valves when I checked the valve seal by pouring gas in the ports and looking to see if it leaked past the valves. It took a while, but I got the valves to seal by lapping them in. Hoping for a big gain in hp with the new heads.
@@sbf_fox2434 wow, the valves were that bad!? I know they're cheap heads, but geez that's rough. I have BPE heads on my 331 car, but only because they're cheap. If I can get my channel to take off and get some extra income, I would def love to drop a 408 in my car and see how far we can take it. Glad you liked the swap! I wish I never got rid of that car...dumb move from me for sure
I have a 95 mustang that ice been trying to finish. It's been a nightmare and literally got to the point I was giving up. I just decided to go carburetor and hope I can finally drive my car.
You guys are doing good tell about the mustangs
83 GT shell with a 351w in pieces. Brand new tko 600. Holley carb. This video has motivated me to start assembling.
glad i watched this video.nice to see sum 1 speak truth with all the efi stuff they try to force down ur throat in all the buy this, buy that world.nice to see a carb can still get it done.
I have a 83 fox v8 carb 😍😍😍😍
Both cars are badass!!!
I had issues with my car when i bought it took it to an old man down the road and im carb swapping it now, car would cut out on throttle and surge idles and i replaced sensors iac etc base idle reset and everything.
im gonna carb swap my 302 bronco from 1990, its gonna be sweet!
It’s hard to beat a good tuned carburetor, I like the simplicity of a carburetor, but efi is nice when it comes to tuning, I’m more into carburetor cause I have a understanding of how they work!
I had a caprice sbc Manuel choke edelbrock carburetor. Any problems for example if my car wouldn't start just three components to look for spark, air and gas Just easier for me to work with and less cheaper.
Yeah Andrew, he just told us!!!
Good stuff I have a 460 and it is a pain hunting down what made it stop running. I have a 305 with a carb and it runs every time I crank on it, I put it in a cJ 7 13 years ago., 460 is in a motor home looking for a body to put it in. Jet boat or hot rod fox ? still looking I will find it
Im a carb guy .. i traded for a 87 lx 5.0 it had problems i was gonna carb it until i started noticing the only mods done on the car was a fiberglass hood and the car is lowerd ..everything else has never ben touched .. so i decided to keep the stock fuel injection ..i worked on it for the better part of a year before i got it idling and running like it did from factory .. did i mension i was a carb man ??
How did you do the fuel line set up. my 90 gt has had all sensors changed and still runs like crap. Will you make a video Andrew of your swap? I have all the major parts like new holley 600 street warrior, edelbrock 2121 and msd setup. You have motivated me to do the swap.
It's hard not to like a carbureted engine. When the carb is in tune and you know how to retune they generally just keep plugging away. Winter time always sucked driving a carbed car but that was honestly just a good cold start on a carb that was chokeless.
EFI is nice for sure but carbs always offer a cheap response to adding power however you have done so nitrous supercharger ported heads camshaft it doesn't matter everything is tuneable with carburetion. It may require some modifications to the carb jets air bleeds transfer slot jets but everything and I mean everything is tuneable with a carburetor.
My apologies. My comment was for the cam comparison vid....carry on
Carbs are just easier to work on and tune in general. Plus you get way more space to work on the engine. By the time you buy 8 quality injectors, you can probably pick up a used aluminum intake and a good used carb. I got my Weiand intake for $40.00 and an Edelbrock carb for $100.00 that had never been run. Cheap and easy.
I'm fed up dealing with the efi on my 88. It's been running on the backup tune on the ECU for years and every shop and a couple dealerships have no idea what's wrong with it. Every single one of them tell me to replace EVERYTHING with new parts.
That's not a fix to me because of the cost and it might not even work. I've been looking at converting to a carb but every time I dig online it's people talking shit on others asking.
For some additional context. I daily drive my car. And to be honest, Once I got my first street bike, then another, and finally a sport touring bike my interest cars had gotten pulled away. BTW my current motorcycle is carbed and I love it, meanwhile the most expensive vehicle I've ever bought, my 2007 Dyna is fuel injected. And has it's own efi gremlins.
I've got a 97 Mountaineer factory 5.0 efi. About to drop a mild built 5.0 into it that is currently setup for carb. Future plans are for snorkel and supercharger as it will be daily and offroad/ overland. Suggestions on swapping my efi intake and such over to new engine or just run carb?
I’m considering going with a carb. A guy name titan1500 makes boost references power valves and there is a computer controlled distributor that can retard timing for boost and it all can be done through the phone. I’m hoping this rout will increase reliability.