The best buy in the GC-L is the Overland trim with the 5.7L V8. Picked up one a few weeks ago for $56K. The V8 provides plenty of power for a vehicle of this size/weight. I've been averaging around 16mpg in city, 19mpg on the hwy. Fortunately, gas is cheap where I live, currently $2.69 for 89 octane fuel.
Over land is great but I love the trail hawk because I buy jeeps for 4 wheeling, but the Over land is a beast also we have a few in our jeep club.. if you're looking for speed get a track hawk or SRT, you can fit a 6.7 no problem. I'm running a 6.1 in my trail hawk. Looking forward to the hurricane coming out eventually ✌️🦆
I was debating between Grand Cherokee L and Toyota Grand Highlander. But one thing many reviewer do not count it is: there is dealer markup on Grand Highlander. It is a straightforward markup of $3-7k. With that markup the Grand Highlander becomes less valued actually. And worse yet, I could not find one to test drive. I have to order from factory based on the virtual information available online. I think the price of high reliability of Toyota has already being baked in. Jeep is the iconic American SUV. I think we all buy cars solely based on practicality or everyone should get an minivan.
Starting in 1993 to current, Jeep created a new class of SUV buyer. Sure, most can afford the mid $40s of a Laredo or Limited, but there is a large segment of well-heeled buyers that don't care about the luxury nameplate, but will in fact buy fully loaded JGCs because of brand recognition, capability, interior offerings that match the luxury brands, and better overall resale value/insurance costs. Im all things Mopar, but Jeep has got to get with the times and offer both the 4Xe and Hurricane on the GC. We all love the HEMI, but it is just as thirsty in the GC as it is on the 1000 pound heavier Wagoneer.
Cherokee been around since 1974 started with the Cherokee Chief I've been jeep cult for 52 years and Cherokee has always been my favorite, I love all the models that big J has put out . My current models are a WK2 2015 Laredo, 2021 Wk 2 trail hawk bad ass off road , 2017 patty riot and a 2018 wrangler sahara. I love each one for different reasons but the trail hawk is my go to. Only in a jeep ✌️🦆🦆🦆🦆
@@timkincade9763How do you deal with the Pentastar V6 and be happy with it? I test drove a few of these and they lack the power on hills etc..They look beautiful tho
After driving by a Jeep dealership and seeing so many vehicles on the lot it’s clear Jeep’s have become too expensive for their core audience. Grand Cherokee’s used to top out at $60k just a few years ago, now they can nearly approach almost $90k.
@@hellkitty1014 The Trackhawk was a limited edition only built for 3 years and in very small numbers. If I remember correctly they also had huge dealer markups.
@@hellkitty1014yeah people forget about the LOADED summits. That 5k signature leather package makes the Jeep expensive too. I guess people forgot 😂. Plus, you can’t get the level of luxury or engine refinement a GC offers at the price it’s offering it at. At all.
@@UAIqbal83 Jeep sold about 7500 Trackhawks a year. There are some luxury makes that don't sell that quantity at that price point. Yes, they were marked up at dealers however, as is the current Durango Hellcat.
@@Natethegreat200c THANK YOU! You know your stuff! That Signature pkg began what you see on current Summit Reserve models. I think people seem to forget that the GC has #1: Never been less expensive than the competition, #2: Always blurred mainstream, luxury, offroading, and performance. #3: Offered higher refinement and features than what most in its class does. None still offer what the GC does as a total package and Jeep knows it.
From what I have heard, it was planned, but the Wrangler 4xe was so much more popular than expected that they decided to pause the GCL 4xe in favor of making more Wranglers.
I suppose the success kinda caught Stellantis off guard, though doesnt necessarily speak well to the notion that hybrids and PHEVs are more environmentally friendly than EVs due to the larger number of vehicles that can be produced with the same battery material. Maybe it’ll be ramped up soon though.
I have Loaded 22 Overland Reg length ( purchased end of 21 tho) I didnt pay really even close MSPR. Which was 54K. Dealership special.. needed to make room for new ones.. I negotiated it down to bout 46K.. then got rebate for $5k plus i put down 2k more so. Has 17k miles now. Also get free oil changes till 40k miles. ( at that dealership) zero issues with it but i also had the gloss back wrapped flat black.
Alex, Although I don't personally remember asking for the three row Grand Cherokee, your credibility and integrity are so high, I will take your word for it. 😉🤣
Hi Alex. Good review video for 2023-2024 Jeep Grand Cherokee L in the Summit trim. Overall, Jeep did a great job making this grneration vehicle get higher levels of recognition. What they did first was when this fifth generation got released couple years ago, they released the third row L version first due to the fact that lots of Jeep Grand Cherokee fans were asking for a Grand Cherokee offering third row seating. Asking for it since the third generation. Generally speaking, there's no such thing as the perfect vehicle. There are couple things Jeep need to improve on for the Jeep Grand Cherokee L. However, Jeep delivered by offering some features, utility and flexibility that are MIA from the competition either mainstream or luxury brand makers. Five months back in July I was able to purchase the 2023 Jeep Grand Cherokee L in the Summit Reserve trim. Mine is nicely equipped with the 5.7 liter HEMI V8 engine. Between this engine and the 3.6 liter Pentastar V6, it's basically a night and day difference. Significant difference in performance especially at the first point of acceleration. Before I made my purchase I test drove the vehicle twice with the V6 and once with the V8. After I test drove the one with the V8 engine, I said to myself there's no way I will get the V6. With the V8 engine 0 to 60mph is 6.2 seconds. I did not test it out yet by brake torquing the engine and did not test it out yet in Sport Mode doing the 0 to 60. In the coming days, I'll do it with those two actions and mention the times I will get in a future posting. As for the Lexus TX, based on some review videos I've seen for it, Lexus borrowed two styling cues and two physical features from the Jeep Grand Cherokee L. The styling cues borrowed are from the interior in the instrument cluster screen. The fuel gauge and temperature gauge is in horizontal bar graph form. Two features they borrowed from the Jeep are the grab handles found on the wheel wells to assist in getting into the third row and secondary power folding third row seat buttons on the wheel wells. As for the Jeep Grand Wagoneer, I hope you'll do a review video that vehicle. That vehicle is the direct competitor for the Cadillac Escalade and Lincoln Navigator. Also a competitor for the Mercedes GLS, BMW X7 and Infiniti QX80, but primarily for the Escalade and Navigator. OBTW, another reason I had to get the Jeep Grand Cherokee L with the V8 engine is because my old third generation Jeep Grand Cherokee which I still have has a V8 engine as well.
Last comment, as someone who’s parents rent large vehicles when they visit to fit everyone, having tons of time in the Suburban/yukons, Expedition Max and also wagoneer, with the exception that the rental agencies don’t have the Wagoneer L since it’s a relatively new product, I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt none of the other two comes close to the wagoneer in terms of its interior. It’s a fantastic vehicle. However if I was spending my own money, I would go for a suburban because of relatively simple powertrain that doesn’t break the bank when problems arise. Plus I know lots of mechanics remove the cylinder deactivation because of engine failures, anyways I’m ranting now, the wagoneer is the nicest in my estimation even though that is not where I would put my money
Hope they fix the AC issue. It is under size for the car. I trade my 2022 in for a Lightning. The AC could not cool down the car after 5 minutes in Texas summer heat. My sons always sweating in the rear seats. My Pacifica has bigger air volumes and it cool the car down quick.
I assume they cut it because they have coverage of the interior of this gen Grand Cherokee/Grand Cherokee L in other videos, there’s a couple of videos they’ve made with this gen.
The MPGs are off, we got an overland L for two years now. City driving is about 14mpg and about 18 on the highway. Have not ever gotten anywhere near 20mpg. We got the 3.6 engine
Wow, with those numbers, I would be checking under the hood and at least hoping I forgot that I got the Hemi instead to justify them. My 2019 altitude averages about 18 mpg with mostly in town driving if not out on a long road trip.
@@highoctaneadventure had I known that we definitely would’ve of gotten the 5.7 hemi as this one feels just a tad underpowered. Crazy thing is I used to get better mpg in my 2013 ram with the 5.7. We might just trade it in for a Lexus GX though.
When it comes to Jeep's MSRP one should stress the S part. Higher trim Grand Cherokees currently go $10K below MSRP currently without even trying to negotiate.
Interestingly, the GC starting from the 2nd generation had been designed on a platform that also allowed for a 3-row version, but never followed through until this current 5th (WL) generation.
The Land Rover wasn't always luxury either. It has basically the same off-road capable roots as the Jeep. If it could go luxury, there's no reason Jeep can do the same. I also think the Grand Wagoneer is off to a great start. However, in going luxury it does leave a lot of its loyalist out in the cold unable to afford anything beyond the base trim. Anyway, in my view, this is what the Grand Wagoneer should have been based on. Instead of its current polarizing design, it could simply have been the bigger brother/version of the already familiar Jeep Grand Cherokee.
Both the Jeep Grand Cherokee and Wagoneer, and the Lexus LX and GX, were created in response to the Range Rover going full luxury under BMW ownership (P38 and L322).
I have to think it was designed to fit that mill but not sure why we haven’t yet heard of it transitioning to that from the 5.7 (though I’m not going to complaint about a 5.7 powered vehicle).
It's getting it. Production is shifting from the 5.7 to the 3.0T first in all but fleet vehicles and the Durango/GCL this year. Likely 2025 we will see it as an option, then over time other versions of the 3.0L may replace some mid-level trims with the 3.6L V6.
Durango is unclear. There are rumors that Durango might return as a body on frame relative to the Wagoneer and a smaller 2-row RWD vehicle will take its place, but even rumors are hard to come by.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide if they are smart they would persue both platforms and Make Dodge versions at lower price points minus things like are suspension. My opinion just saying
like it has a v8 , needs a solid rear axel , trail rated trail hawk , no 3rd row ,could be a great off roader car camper , overlander more utilitarion model
Great review! Not that you asked but: I would have liked to see some discussion about the front seats, dash, and infotainment. You rank this higher than most competitors for Tech/Luxury but the screen looks small and outdated which has to be a big part of tech. Truthfully, I think Tech and Luxury should be separate categories.
Screen size notwithstanding, at the price of Summit, you can also add on a passenger screen that is still relatively exclusive in the auto industry that is absent in a number luxury vehicles. Jeep options on high-end sound systems, rear seat infotainment screens, and beyond that, the GC further has massaging seats w/ a multitude of adjustment, etc. It is quite extensive for a mainstream brand.
No you wouldn’t and indeed you really shouldn’t 😂 Lexus really can’t hold a single candle to any of its competitors. Only people with absolutely no physical sense would even think about Lexus. People with a brain and eyes would choose any other luxury brand If you care about reliability don’t buy a luxury car
@@ALMX5DP because they want to get in on what’s there. They’re not thinking straight. They just go in and buy even at high markups not knowing what other superior car they can get for the same price
Not sure what “fallen to 5th” means. In whose estimation? The mildly refreshed Telluride is included, brand new Grand Highlander, and the Acadia which isn’t even on sale at this point - but you included those. That response seems like deflection to me.
5th in segment sales. The telluride outsells pilot, Grand Highlander outsold pilot in November, and as I said, independent cross shop data indicates it’s not seen as a competitor to those shopping for the Grand Cherokee
There is no advantage to the petrol v6 engine at that price base, only the almost hybrid is still a bit of value for money, but not actually fuel efficient. Very much don't understand why the v6 turbo diesel engine has been phased out, it's just a self defeating proposition.
All figures I find from a quick Google Search indicates the Grand Highlander and TX have the same legroom limits. Did Lexus play funky with the numbers to get such a low combined legroom figure?
Hello Alex, I am wondering how 2023-2024 GCL Summit is different from 2022 GCL Summit I owned. I am surprised that you rate ride quality A+. Personally, I don't like ride quality considering it has an air suspension. I feel it is too firm.
My GCL is Summit trim, not Summit Reserve. And I see it looks exactly the same as Alex test drove in the video. Maybe Jeep has tuned a little softer for 2023-2024 models. Not sure 😕
The whole industry has moved towards firmer suspensions, but the GCL has one of the best rides in the segment. Something like a CX90 or Pilot will be notably firmer than the air suspension equipped Jeeps
Getting ready to do peters mill run in Virginia, taking my WK2 trail hawk, looking to get the jeep badge of honor, Rausch creek is after. Only in a jeep ✌️
Not a fan of every carmaker trying to take their brands upmarket now. Jaguar claims they're going to reboot the brand and prices are going to go way up as a result (allegedly). Carmakers are going to find that there aren't enough rich people to buy enough cars to keep them in business.
All wheel drive isn't 4 wheel drive, no transfer case for H OR L. Jeep doesn't make all wheel drive they have full time 4H came out on the 1963 Wagner. The pilot isn't going where Jeep goes with AWD . your ok on dirt roads and a little snow but no way big mud holes, ruts and climbing, your going to need 4 L . It all depends on what your doing. My WK2 trail hawk no problem going with the wrangler
Actually looks like 2 year old Grand Cherokee Ls are running 45-47K vs 65,000 MSRP in 2021. Actuary estimates for Highlander show similar depreciation vs actual transaction price. Remember that discounts off MSRP depress ALG and actuary estimates, but vs actual transaction price there's not much difference. Sales and desirability are better predictors of actual resale value and currently BOTH Grand Highlander and GCL are fairly hot right now.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide c’mon, Alex. You can’t tell me with a straight face that the resale value of the GCL is on par with the grand highlander. Never mind Toyota’s legendary reputation, just do a quick search of both vehicles and you can see which vehicle has about 50x less inventory than the other, which certainly factors into resale value as well.
@@digital_0630 Toyotas legendary reliability quality are a thing of the past Other brands are as reliable these days as long as you take care of them. The Toyota fan girls who believe in the mythical reliability need to wake up and be schooled really hard on what reality is
@@naveenthemachine a thing of the past? Consumer reports, not that that’s the Bible but they do use compiled data from actual drivers, just came out with the new list of most reliable brands and vehicles and you’ll never guess who’s first and second…. Surprise! Lexus and Toyota. And the 4runner was rated the most reliable vehicle.. so I’m not sure where you’re getting the whole “Toyota reliability is a thing of the past” from 🤔
@@digital_0630 consumer reports isn’t that accurate. It’s about as accurate as JD power. The reliability is similar to each other. Other brands may only have one more problem on average than a Toyota. But in exchange for that you get a vehicle that’s just more enjoyable and easier to live with
They're gonna hate me as a buyer if I decide to buy the JGC. I want it as base as possible with a hitch. Anything above and beyond that is too much of a price commitment. Jeep never was intended to be a luxury brand. Stellantis is in for a big surprise if they're trying to use this as their new business model for Jeep.
How do you determine reliability of a newer vehicle? Jeep gets a bad wrap, but the one’s complaining are usually the 3rd owner, the thing is 12 years old and has 200,000 miles on it… then it has a problem and it’s “junk” Another thing to consider is people actually off-road their Jeeps, how reliable would anything be when modified with bigger tires and actually used off pavement? Yea I’m sure Toyota makes a more durable vehicle.. but the trade off is boring, underwhelming, and often outdated vehicles with high financing rates, no discounts and shit availability… I still have my 1998 XJ I bought as a teenager, it has been neglected and you can’t kill it. I now have a 2023 full loaded Grand Cherokee L with the hemi and it’s been problem free (1 year old mind you)
Have had Cherokees since 1975 , currently have 2015 Wk2 Laredo and a 2021 WK2 trail hawk along with a 2017 patty riot and 2018 wrangler sahara. I've been jeep cult for 52 years and through many models and never a problem with any of them. From CJs to Wagoner , to XJ to ZJ to WK 1 and 2 , patriot to wrangler JKs not one problem. All my family is jeep cult and not one problem. It's never the people that actually own jeeps It's always a friend or someone else that has had problems because they are full of shit. ONLY IN A JEEP, YES JEEP WROTE THE BOOK ON 4 WHEEL DRIVE ✌️🦆
Where have you been? The lots of features no Lexus can ever offer😂 - double wishbone front - RWD dynamics - v8, soon an upcoming inline 6 - air suspension -massaging seats - passenger memory - 4 zone climate control - passenger screen - better infotainment and instrument cluster - more advanced AWD - much much nicer materials - better audio system - better cameras I could go on but I’ve made my point
@@yz1235 1. 4 zone climate 2. Lounge chairs w ottomans 3. Long slide seats 4. Refrigerator cool box Those things you’d expect on a tx but none of them are even offered at any price
It doesn't bring it back because it didn't go away. 2023 and 2022 model years both offered the V8. In 2024 it's just offered in top trims and they have indicated that 2025 it will likely be replaced by the 3.0L turbo.
I think for this amount of cash, people should look into new technology, new generation vehicles. Example new Tesla truck or rivian. It’s like the time when people were transitioning from horses to original Ford model. I would like to ask Alex if he would spend 80k on this or new Tesla truck or rivian
The cyber truck is different that's for sure. To me, rivian is the better deal. No gauge display in the front is a huge miss and zonk let alone the lack of a HUD.
Choose a Hylander Hybrid AWD over the Grand Cherokee L. Five thousand less, better fuel economy, and Toyota reliability. Loved the Jeep, but not for 60,000.
The highlander is just subpar compared to any other 3 row. The highlanders overpriced cramped dated nowhere near as nice etc Not to mention that Toyota quality reliability is a thing of the past
Don't know why bothering with 3 Row when the goal is luxury and already have a Grand Waggoner. Great query about the 4xE trying to differentiate with the Ford Explorer en route imminently. As oil prices start going off a cliff (down) for the first time seemingly forever a diesel option is where Dodge needs to go to compete or even be in the game with Tesla, Rivian and now surging sales of the Ford F150 Lightning. Those being offered up "stoneage ICE Platform pure play" very demanding customer suddenly right now today so pricing will matter. Jeep Grand Cherokee has some horrific quality issues from times past as well sooo..
We're trying different things to see what viewers prefer. Sadly they seem to generally prefer and watch more of the reviews without the detailed trim level comparisons. We haven't given up on it, but we're trying to find a balance.
@@damilolaakanni it’s heavy and if you drive one you’ll see . Engine straining to get going. I think if they put that Hurricane straight 6 in it will be winner . ( if that motor proves reliable but most new turbo motors have issues first few years )
@@naveenthemachine yes and then I went and looked at a palisade and all of a sudden the keep didn't look so nice. You buy a Jeep for the suspension, not the interior. It's great but so are everyone else
@@naveenthemachine not really. Same quality leather, palisade gas heated third row, better center screen, full screen carplay, more space so it feels more luxurious etc.
I test drove a Grand Cherokee to replace my Touareg TDI but for the price I'd be paying, the GC was rated to tow less and didn't drive as nice. This was a 2019 with the V6. I wouldn't even consider one of the new ones with how they ruined the look and how unreliable they're proving to be.
Come On Alex your reviews are pretty thorough but dirty engine cover, dirty car dirty tires is not a good look so please show a clean car in the reviews going forward!
The best buy in the GC-L is the Overland trim with the 5.7L V8. Picked up one a few weeks ago for $56K. The V8 provides plenty of power for a vehicle of this size/weight. I've been averaging around 16mpg in city, 19mpg on the hwy. Fortunately, gas is cheap where I live, currently $2.69 for 89 octane fuel.
Over land is great but I love the trail hawk because I buy jeeps for 4 wheeling, but the Over land is a beast also we have a few in our jeep club.. if you're looking for speed get a track hawk or SRT, you can fit a 6.7 no problem. I'm running a 6.1 in my trail hawk. Looking forward to the hurricane coming out eventually ✌️🦆
I was debating between Grand Cherokee L and Toyota Grand Highlander. But one thing many reviewer do not count it is: there is dealer markup on Grand Highlander. It is a straightforward markup of $3-7k. With that markup the Grand Highlander becomes less valued actually. And worse yet, I could not find one to test drive. I have to order from factory based on the virtual information available online.
I think the price of high reliability of Toyota has already being baked in.
Jeep is the iconic American SUV. I think we all buy cars solely based on practicality or everyone should get an minivan.
Just get a grand Cherokee
The grand highlander is subpar compared to the competition. The Jeep wipes it inside and out
Starting in 1993 to current, Jeep created a new class of SUV buyer. Sure, most can afford the mid $40s of a Laredo or Limited, but there is a large segment of well-heeled buyers that don't care about the luxury nameplate, but will in fact buy fully loaded JGCs because of brand recognition, capability, interior offerings that match the luxury brands, and better overall resale value/insurance costs.
Im all things Mopar, but Jeep has got to get with the times and offer both the 4Xe and Hurricane on the GC. We all love the HEMI, but it is just as thirsty in the GC as it is on the 1000 pound heavier Wagoneer.
Cherokee been around since 1974 started with the Cherokee Chief I've been jeep cult for 52 years and Cherokee has always been my favorite, I love all the models that big J has put out . My current models are a WK2 2015 Laredo, 2021 Wk 2 trail hawk bad ass off road , 2017 patty riot and a 2018 wrangler sahara. I love each one for different reasons but the trail hawk is my go to. Only in a jeep ✌️🦆🦆🦆🦆
@@timkincade9763How do you deal with the Pentastar V6 and be happy with it? I test drove a few of these and they lack the power on hills etc..They look beautiful tho
Alex -like your slider comparisons. Well done and great new idea.
Thanks 👍
Jeep: Am I the top of the bottom? Or the bottom of the top?
After driving by a Jeep dealership and seeing so many vehicles on the lot it’s clear Jeep’s have become too expensive for their core audience. Grand Cherokee’s used to top out at $60k just a few years ago, now they can nearly approach almost $90k.
Jeep's have been $100K+ since 2018 with the Trackhawk. Even the old 2020 GC Summit w/ Signature package was about $70K.
@@hellkitty1014 The Trackhawk was a limited edition only built for 3 years and in very small numbers. If I remember correctly they also had huge dealer markups.
@@hellkitty1014yeah people forget about the LOADED summits. That 5k signature leather package makes the Jeep expensive too. I guess people forgot 😂. Plus, you can’t get the level of luxury or engine refinement a GC offers at the price it’s offering it at. At all.
@@UAIqbal83 Jeep sold about 7500 Trackhawks a year. There are some luxury makes that don't sell that quantity at that price point. Yes, they were marked up at dealers however, as is the current Durango Hellcat.
@@Natethegreat200c THANK YOU! You know your stuff! That Signature pkg began what you see on current Summit Reserve models. I think people seem to forget that the GC has #1: Never been less expensive than the competition, #2: Always blurred mainstream, luxury, offroading, and performance. #3: Offered higher refinement and features than what most in its class does. None still offer what the GC does as a total package and Jeep knows it.
Wonder why the 4xe isn’t offered in the L but is offered in the standard wheel base… I think it would be a great fit in the L.
Yeah and a good competitor to the CX90 PHEV since people need more PHEV options in the mainstream three row segment
From what I have heard, it was planned, but the Wrangler 4xe was so much more popular than expected that they decided to pause the GCL 4xe in favor of making more Wranglers.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide Hopefully they will make one soon, there’s a lack of many three row PHEV options.
I suppose the success kinda caught Stellantis off guard, though doesnt necessarily speak well to the notion that hybrids and PHEVs are more environmentally friendly than EVs due to the larger number of vehicles that can be produced with the same battery material. Maybe it’ll be ramped up soon though.
I agree, we bought the L overland but would of gone with the 4xe had it been available
I have Loaded 22 Overland Reg length ( purchased end of 21 tho)
I didnt pay really even close MSPR. Which was 54K. Dealership special.. needed to make room for new ones.. I negotiated it down to bout 46K.. then got rebate for $5k plus i put down 2k more so.
Has 17k miles now. Also get free oil changes till 40k miles. ( at that dealership)
zero issues with it but i also had the gloss back wrapped flat black.
Alex, Although I don't personally remember asking for the three row Grand Cherokee, your credibility and integrity are so high, I will take your word for it. 😉🤣
I wish L is offered as a 4XE.
1:27 good visual on lengths
Thanks Alex. By the way, I really like your new intro. Well done!
Thanks!!
Imo one of the best luxury SUVs. And it really shows all around the grand Cherokee
2023 Grand Cherokee V6 owner here, and I strongly agree with ur statement...
@@BigAltimaEnergy719 how has your reliability been? Do you have the Grand Cherokee-L or just GC?
@@Spartansrule118 It’s a 2 row overland model
I do prefer seeing the interior
Hi Alex. Good review video for 2023-2024 Jeep Grand Cherokee L in the Summit trim. Overall, Jeep did a great job making this grneration vehicle get higher levels of recognition. What they did first was when this fifth generation got released couple years ago, they released the third row L version first due to the fact that lots of Jeep Grand Cherokee fans were asking for a Grand Cherokee offering third row seating. Asking for it since the third generation. Generally speaking, there's no such thing as the perfect vehicle. There are couple things Jeep need to improve on for the Jeep Grand Cherokee L. However, Jeep delivered by offering some features, utility and flexibility that are MIA from the competition either mainstream or luxury brand makers. Five months back in July I was able to purchase the 2023 Jeep Grand Cherokee L in the Summit Reserve trim. Mine is nicely equipped with the 5.7 liter HEMI V8 engine. Between this engine and the 3.6 liter Pentastar V6, it's basically a night and day difference. Significant difference in performance especially at the first point of acceleration. Before I made my purchase I test drove the vehicle twice with the V6 and once with the V8. After I test drove the one with the V8 engine, I said to myself there's no way I will get the V6. With the V8 engine 0 to 60mph is 6.2 seconds. I did not test it out yet by brake torquing the engine and did not test it out yet in Sport Mode doing the 0 to 60. In the coming days, I'll do it with those two actions and mention the times I will get in a future posting. As for the Lexus TX, based on some review videos I've seen for it, Lexus borrowed two styling cues and two physical features from the Jeep Grand Cherokee L. The styling cues borrowed are from the interior in the instrument cluster screen. The fuel gauge and temperature gauge is in horizontal bar graph form. Two features they borrowed from the Jeep are the grab handles found on the wheel wells to assist in getting into the third row and secondary power folding third row seat buttons on the wheel wells. As for the Jeep Grand Wagoneer, I hope you'll do a review video that vehicle. That vehicle is the direct competitor for the Cadillac Escalade and Lincoln Navigator. Also a competitor for the Mercedes GLS, BMW X7 and Infiniti QX80, but primarily for the Escalade and Navigator.
OBTW, another reason I had to get the Jeep Grand Cherokee L with the V8 engine is because my old third generation Jeep Grand Cherokee which I still have has a V8 engine as well.
Last comment, as someone who’s parents rent large vehicles when they visit to fit everyone, having tons of time in the Suburban/yukons, Expedition Max and also wagoneer, with the exception that the rental agencies don’t have the Wagoneer L since it’s a relatively new product, I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt none of the other two comes close to the wagoneer in terms of its interior. It’s a fantastic vehicle. However if I was spending my own money, I would go for a suburban because of relatively simple powertrain that doesn’t break the bank when problems arise. Plus I know lots of mechanics remove the cylinder deactivation because of engine failures, anyways I’m ranting now, the wagoneer is the nicest in my estimation even though that is not where I would put my money
I hope I was coherent
Lol
How can the cylinder deactivation be removed?
Hope they fix the AC issue. It is under size for the car. I trade my 2022 in for a Lightning. The AC could not cool down the car after 5 minutes in Texas summer heat. My sons always sweating in the rear seats. My Pacifica has bigger air volumes and it cool the car down quick.
Would've liked to see coverage of the interior
The video got so long we had to trim here and there
I assume they cut it because they have coverage of the interior of this gen Grand Cherokee/Grand Cherokee L in other videos, there’s a couple of videos they’ve made with this gen.
The MPGs are off, we got an overland L for two years now. City driving is about 14mpg and about 18 on the highway. Have not ever gotten anywhere near 20mpg. We got the 3.6 engine
Wow, I get those kind of MPG numbers in our Overland L with the 5.7L V8.
Wow, with those numbers, I would be checking under the hood and at least hoping I forgot that I got the Hemi instead to justify them. My 2019 altitude averages about 18 mpg with mostly in town driving if not out on a long road trip.
@@highoctaneadventure had I known that we definitely would’ve of gotten the 5.7 hemi as this one feels just a tad underpowered. Crazy thing is I used to get better mpg in my 2013 ram with the 5.7. We might just trade it in for a Lexus GX though.
When it comes to Jeep's MSRP one should stress the S part. Higher trim Grand Cherokees currently go $10K below MSRP currently without even trying to negotiate.
Interestingly, the GC starting from the 2nd generation had been designed on a platform that also allowed for a 3-row version, but never followed through until this current 5th (WL) generation.
The Durango shared a platform with the previous WK2 platform.
Commander and Durango (3rd gen) both shared platforms with the Grand Cherokee.
The Land Rover wasn't always luxury either. It has basically the same off-road capable roots as the Jeep. If it could go luxury, there's no reason Jeep can do the same. I also think the Grand Wagoneer is off to a great start. However, in going luxury it does leave a lot of its loyalist out in the cold unable to afford anything beyond the base trim.
Anyway, in my view, this is what the Grand Wagoneer should have been based on. Instead of its current polarizing design, it could simply have been the bigger brother/version of the already familiar Jeep Grand Cherokee.
Both the Jeep Grand Cherokee and Wagoneer, and the Lexus LX and GX, were created in response to the Range Rover going full luxury under BMW ownership (P38 and L322).
And the Lexus TX was created so they could have a usable third row Lexus unlike the LX and GX to go against the GC L and even the Grand Wagoneer
Alex have you lost weight? Nice work
Aww, thanks!
Needs the Hurricane 3.0
I have to think it was designed to fit that mill but not sure why we haven’t yet heard of it transitioning to that from the 5.7 (though I’m not going to complaint about a 5.7 powered vehicle).
It's getting it. Production is shifting from the 5.7 to the 3.0T first in all but fleet vehicles and the Durango/GCL this year. Likely 2025 we will see it as an option, then over time other versions of the 3.0L may replace some mid-level trims with the 3.6L V6.
When are they going to make a Durango on this Platform? Or straight to EV?
Durango is unclear. There are rumors that Durango might return as a body on frame relative to the Wagoneer and a smaller 2-row RWD vehicle will take its place, but even rumors are hard to come by.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide if they are smart they would persue both platforms and Make Dodge versions at lower price points minus things like are suspension. My opinion just saying
After 7 years of videos, my skin still crawls when Alex says “FO-ward” … dammit Alex, there’s 2 Rs in forward.
Glad we’re still makin’ it happen for you!
Random observation; Why was the fuse panel cover removed in an engine bay clip early on in the video?
like it has a v8 , needs a solid rear axel , trail rated trail hawk , no 3rd row ,could be a great off roader car camper , overlander more utilitarion model
Great review! Not that you asked but: I would have liked to see some discussion about the front seats, dash, and infotainment. You rank this higher than most competitors for Tech/Luxury but the screen looks small and outdated which has to be a big part of tech. Truthfully, I think Tech and Luxury should be separate categories.
Jeep has a good infotainment and plenty of tech features like the passenger screen etc
Screen size notwithstanding, at the price of Summit, you can also add on a passenger screen that is still relatively exclusive in the auto industry that is absent in a number luxury vehicles. Jeep options on high-end sound systems, rear seat infotainment screens, and beyond that, the GC further has massaging seats w/ a multitude of adjustment, etc. It is quite extensive for a mainstream brand.
Interior views and discussion would be more engaging than staring at a plastic cover on the engine with the hood raised.
I’ll still choose the Lexus with reliability package.
No you wouldn’t and indeed you really shouldn’t 😂
Lexus really can’t hold a single candle to any of its competitors. Only people with absolutely no physical sense would even think about Lexus. People with a brain and eyes would choose any other luxury brand
If you care about reliability don’t buy a luxury car
@@naveenthemachinewhy do you think sales of Lexus and Toyota models are fairly good then?
@@ALMX5DP easy. Because of shortages and the fact that since Toyotas going downhill everyone is rushing to buy the remaining ones that are left
@@naveenthemachine aren’t shortages across the board though? And if Toyota is going downhill why would people rush to buy them?
@@ALMX5DP because they want to get in on what’s there. They’re not thinking straight. They just go in and buy even at high markups not knowing what other superior car they can get for the same price
Are you sure about the availability of the electronic limited-slip differential? It is a subtraction on every sticker I've seen for a couple of years.
Jeep keeps promising it is coming back, but…
Why was the Pilot omitted from any comparisons? Seems odd.
Pilot has fallen to 5th in the segment and independant cross shop data indicates that few Grand Cherokee L shoppers shop Pilot.
Not sure what “fallen to 5th” means. In whose estimation? The mildly refreshed Telluride is included, brand new Grand Highlander, and the Acadia which isn’t even on sale at this point - but you included those. That response seems like deflection to me.
5th in segment sales. The telluride outsells pilot, Grand Highlander outsold pilot in November, and as I said, independent cross shop data indicates it’s not seen as a competitor to those shopping for the Grand Cherokee
@@AAutoBuyersGuide meanwhile on Savagegeese...
Savagegeese doesn’t use cross shop or sales data in their comparisons 🤷♂️
There is no advantage to the petrol v6 engine at that price base, only the almost hybrid is still a bit of value for money, but not actually fuel efficient. Very much don't understand why the v6 turbo diesel engine has been phased out, it's just a self defeating proposition.
Insane new Jeep Grand Cherokee L to own.
Americans deserve the Euro-only Jeep Avenger 🚙
Great review
All figures I find from a quick Google Search indicates the Grand Highlander and TX have the same legroom limits. Did Lexus play funky with the numbers to get such a low combined legroom figure?
Hello Alex, I am wondering how 2023-2024 GCL Summit is different from 2022 GCL Summit I owned. I am surprised that you rate ride quality A+. Personally, I don't like ride quality considering it has an air suspension. I feel it is too firm.
The Summit Reserve w/ 21s did ride a bit firmer than regular Summit.
My GCL is Summit trim, not Summit Reserve. And I see it looks exactly the same as Alex test drove in the video. Maybe Jeep has tuned a little softer for 2023-2024 models. Not sure 😕
The whole industry has moved towards firmer suspensions, but the GCL has one of the best rides in the segment. Something like a CX90 or Pilot will be notably firmer than the air suspension equipped Jeeps
I laughed at the GM joke lol…
That was funny ✌️
Missing the trail badge
Getting ready to do peters mill run in Virginia, taking my WK2 trail hawk, looking to get the jeep badge of honor, Rausch creek is after. Only in a jeep ✌️
@@timkincade9763 no video?
Not a fan of every carmaker trying to take their brands upmarket now. Jaguar claims they're going to reboot the brand and prices are going to go way up as a result (allegedly). Carmakers are going to find that there aren't enough rich people to buy enough cars to keep them in business.
Do you think they stuck with a unibody design given how successful and capable the XJ was?
XJ is s legendary jeep one of the best models ever made , inline 6 , solid Dana axels , they are a beast ✌️🦆
I'd add a new Honda Pilot. Decent off-road performance of their AWD, much reasonable in all parts. In my eyes this is what Gr Ch used to be.
All wheel drive isn't 4 wheel drive, no transfer case for H OR L. Jeep doesn't make all wheel drive they have full time 4H came out on the 1963 Wagner. The pilot isn't going where Jeep goes with AWD . your ok on dirt roads and a little snow but no way big mud holes, ruts and climbing, your going to need 4 L . It all depends on what your doing. My WK2 trail hawk no problem going with the wrangler
A loaded up grand Cherokee for 80k will be worth the same as a grand highlander base trim for 46k in 1-2 years… 🤷🏻♂️ easy choice
Actually looks like 2 year old Grand Cherokee Ls are running 45-47K vs 65,000 MSRP in 2021. Actuary estimates for Highlander show similar depreciation vs actual transaction price. Remember that discounts off MSRP depress ALG and actuary estimates, but vs actual transaction price there's not much difference. Sales and desirability are better predictors of actual resale value and currently BOTH Grand Highlander and GCL are fairly hot right now.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide c’mon, Alex. You can’t tell me with a straight face that the resale value of the GCL is on par with the grand highlander. Never mind Toyota’s legendary reputation, just do a quick search of both vehicles and you can see which vehicle has about 50x less inventory than the other, which certainly factors into resale value as well.
@@digital_0630 Toyotas legendary reliability quality are a thing of the past
Other brands are as reliable these days as long as you take care of them. The Toyota fan girls who believe in the mythical reliability need to wake up and be schooled really hard on what reality is
@@naveenthemachine a thing of the past? Consumer reports, not that that’s the Bible but they do use compiled data from actual drivers, just came out with the new list of most reliable brands and vehicles and you’ll never guess who’s first and second…. Surprise! Lexus and Toyota. And the 4runner was rated the most reliable vehicle.. so I’m not sure where you’re getting the whole “Toyota reliability is a thing of the past” from 🤔
@@digital_0630 consumer reports isn’t that accurate. It’s about as accurate as JD power.
The reliability is similar to each other. Other brands may only have one more problem on average than a Toyota. But in exchange for that you get a vehicle that’s just more enjoyable and easier to live with
They're gonna hate me as a buyer if I decide to buy the JGC. I want it as base as possible with a hitch. Anything above and beyond that is too much of a price commitment. Jeep never was intended to be a luxury brand. Stellantis is in for a big surprise if they're trying to use this as their new business model for Jeep.
would like to see you add reliability grade to reviews
Reliability doesn’t matter in a new car as things always keep changing
How do you determine reliability of a newer vehicle?
Jeep gets a bad wrap, but the one’s complaining are usually the 3rd owner, the thing is 12 years old and has 200,000 miles on it… then it has a problem and it’s “junk”
Another thing to consider is people actually off-road their Jeeps, how reliable would anything be when modified with bigger tires and actually used off pavement?
Yea I’m sure Toyota makes a more durable vehicle.. but the trade off is boring, underwhelming, and often outdated vehicles with high financing rates, no discounts and shit availability…
I still have my 1998 XJ I bought as a teenager, it has been neglected and you can’t kill it.
I now have a 2023 full loaded Grand Cherokee L with the hemi and it’s been problem free (1 year old mind you)
Have had Cherokees since 1975 , currently have 2015 Wk2 Laredo and a 2021 WK2 trail hawk along with a 2017 patty riot and 2018 wrangler sahara. I've been jeep cult for 52 years and through many models and never a problem with any of them. From CJs to Wagoner , to XJ to ZJ to WK 1 and 2 , patriot to wrangler JKs not one problem. All my family is jeep cult and not one problem. It's never the people that actually own jeeps It's always a friend or someone else that has had problems because they are full of shit. ONLY IN A JEEP, YES JEEP WROTE THE BOOK ON 4 WHEEL DRIVE ✌️🦆
Nah, don’t listen to that stuff. Your videos are really good.
What does this offer that the Lexus TX doesn't?
Where have you been? The lots of features no Lexus can ever offer😂
- double wishbone front
- RWD dynamics
- v8, soon an upcoming inline 6
- air suspension
-massaging seats
- passenger memory
- 4 zone climate control
- passenger screen
- better infotainment and instrument cluster
- more advanced AWD
- much much nicer materials
- better audio system
- better cameras
I could go on but I’ve made my point
tx is just another sienna@@naveenthemachine
@@yz1235 the tx is a sienna that has less features than a regular sienna 😆
@@naveenthemachine dude, could you list more features, thanks
@@yz1235
1. 4 zone climate
2. Lounge chairs w ottomans
3. Long slide seats
4. Refrigerator cool box
Those things you’d expect on a tx but none of them are even offered at any price
The 2024 model year brings back the 5.7 hemi engine
It doesn't bring it back because it didn't go away. 2023 and 2022 model years both offered the V8. In 2024 it's just offered in top trims and they have indicated that 2025 it will likely be replaced by the 3.0L turbo.
Vinyl interior for limited , sad junk
GC doesn’t justify its price anymore. Makes the GM triplets look like a bargain.
I think for this amount of cash, people should look into new technology, new generation vehicles. Example new Tesla truck or rivian. It’s like the time when people were transitioning from horses to original Ford model. I would like to ask Alex if he would spend 80k on this or new Tesla truck or rivian
The cyber truck looks cooler though
The cyber truck is different that's for sure. To me, rivian is the better deal. No gauge display in the front is a huge miss and zonk let alone the lack of a HUD.
Well he did have a rivian, and he sold it, he has a few videos on here that explain why.
Pretty sure that doesn't have a 3rd row
It’s a minivan!
Heck no. Jeep should keep focused if go upscale go upscale don’t flip back and forth. Makes the brand seem unstable
Awesome, now if they can just make a four row.
grand wagoneer L add opt 4th row jump seats for large salt lake city families
Choose a Hylander Hybrid AWD over the Grand Cherokee L. Five thousand less, better fuel economy, and Toyota reliability.
Loved the Jeep, but not for 60,000.
The highlander is just subpar compared to any other 3 row. The highlanders overpriced cramped dated nowhere near as nice etc
Not to mention that Toyota quality reliability is a thing of the past
Does someone force the host to wear those pants?
Don't know why bothering with 3 Row when the goal is luxury and already have a Grand Waggoner. Great query about the 4xE trying to differentiate with the Ford Explorer en route imminently. As oil prices start going off a cliff (down) for the first time seemingly forever a diesel option is where Dodge needs to go to compete or even be in the game with Tesla, Rivian and now surging sales of the Ford F150 Lightning. Those being offered up "stoneage ICE Platform pure play" very demanding customer suddenly right now today so pricing will matter. Jeep Grand Cherokee has some horrific quality issues from times past as well sooo..
GO OVER THE TRIM LEVELS! GO BACK TO YOUR OLD REVIEW STANDARDS! The new ones suck.
We're trying different things to see what viewers prefer. Sadly they seem to generally prefer and watch more of the reviews without the detailed trim level comparisons. We haven't given up on it, but we're trying to find a balance.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide The natives are restless... lol. Thanks for all of the work Alex and team!
@@tednugent1100Typing in all caps, so you know they mean business! LOL
WHY ARE YOU YELLING
@@AAutoBuyersGuideWould it be worth it to split it into a separate ‘deep dive’ video? Those breakdowns are a unique point of view you offer.
Underpowered V6 that had cracked head problems. 😮
How is it underpowered with 293hp? I know it's not the most reliable V6 engine out there, but underpowered? I really doubt it.
@@damilolaakanni it’s heavy and if you drive one you’ll see . Engine straining to get going. I think if they put that Hurricane straight 6 in it will be winner . ( if that motor proves reliable but most new turbo motors have issues first few years )
I've had 3 vehicles with the pentastar. I've had zero issues with the power train.
It’s not underpowered. I’ve seen luxury SUVs that are underpowered
@@naveenthemachine get the TAHOE SAME COSTor close . More for your $
so many reliability issue with this model
At this price point reliability shouldn’t even matter because that’s not why you even shop a luxury car for in the first place
I have a '22 Limited, no issues whatsoever.
My friend has a 23 Altitude and she has to get her batteries replaced twice in less than a year and less than 5k miles
You own one or is it a friend, always the same story from someone that's never had a jeep
@@EdMiFexactly, jeep cult for 52 years never had a problem with any model, jeep is all I've ever had.✌️
Stop trying to make Jeep a luxury brand just because the price is ridiculous
Why? Jeeps doing very well at that
Have you seen the technology luxury and features Jeep offers?
@@naveenthemachine yes and then I went and looked at a palisade and all of a sudden the keep didn't look so nice. You buy a Jeep for the suspension, not the interior. It's great but so are everyone else
@@whiteandnerdytuba but get the summit reserve trim and it’s way nicer than the palisade
@@naveenthemachine not really. Same quality leather, palisade gas heated third row, better center screen, full screen carplay, more space so it feels more luxurious etc.
@@whiteandnerdytuba the summit has full leather top to bottom leather airbag more real wood trim etc
80k for a grand cherokee is theft.
No it’s not. You can spend 80k and get a much worse vehicle than this
The word is luxury, not lugsury.
The word is "pedantic" from the noun "pedant."
I test drove a Grand Cherokee to replace my Touareg TDI but for the price I'd be paying, the GC was rated to tow less and didn't drive as nice. This was a 2019 with the V6. I wouldn't even consider one of the new ones with how they ruined the look and how unreliable they're proving to be.
Jeep isn't for everyone your full of shit with the towing, stick with your farfiknugen vw , they lost ww2 LIKE Toyota.
With all due respect Alex, it’s not an alternative. It’s a Jeep. It is garbage with advertising behind it.
No it’s an alternative
Your comment is what’s garbage LOL
Come On Alex your reviews are pretty thorough but dirty engine cover, dirty car dirty tires is not a good look so please show a clean car in the reviews going forward!
Ha! He’s out in the woods with dirt roads, testing the vehicle. It’s not going to look absolutely pristine.
Um, you do see where I live, right? It was raining cats and dogs earlier in the day and all night long after we filmed.
So What, it’s the Job Man! Again, you do good work but I like to see clean car and truck review with that good work, my Man!
Jeep should be where Landrove is especially since Land Rover wouldn't be around if it wasn't for jeep giving them their first platform