Carrie: The Popular Girls Through the Years (1976, 2002, 2013)
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- The book calls them 'Mortimer Snerds'. The 2002 film calls them 'The Ultras'. But it's safe to say a Carrie adaptation is not complete without a girl posse for Chris to torment her nemesis with.
Our actresses:
1976
*PJ Soles (Norma Watson)
*Edie McClurg (Helen Shyres)
*Noelle North (Frieda Jason)
2002
*Katharine Isabelle (Tina Blake)
*Meghan Black (Norma Watson)
*Chelan Simmons (Helen Shyres)
2013
*Zoe Belkin (Tina Blake)
*Karissa & Katie Strain (Nicki & Lizzy Watson)
*Samantha Weinstein (Heather Mason)
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Also, something I never noticed until recently: aside from Norma/Tina, most of the girls AREN'T mean to Carrie when Chris isn't around, i.e in all the versions there's one girl who is nice to her and compliments her dress. They also mostly seem genuinely happy for her when she becomes Prom Queen. This makes me think that maybe most of them don't actually have ill will towards her and are just succumbing to peer pressure and the like.
Yeah especially since Chris is such an oppressive presence that they fear she might do bad things to them if they don't go along with her.
In carrie 2013, when Heather and Carrie were alone in the bathroom after Heather noticed the broken mirrors, they didnt even say anything to eachother. Heather didnt even make a “mean” snobby look near her, just confused
I completely agreed with the fact the 2013 Remake of Carrie needed more screen time from all the girls, in a way to be “cheering up” the death scenes, we needed to know more about them, not being just a simple background characters.
They did a poor job developing more complex characters like we saw in the 2002 version (that’s why I really enjoyed this movie).
PJ Soles, Katharine Isabelle and Chelan Simmons are well know “scream queens” and I’m very happy they are part of the Carrie Universe.
And Chelan was even in the first adaptation of IT. And Kandyse later got to do a Children of the Corn adaptation.
love these analyses, man! “Carrie” has been overlooked in terms of individual characters with particular characteristics. these sort of things need to be talked more so thanks for being one of those people who look at simple things in the fictional world with a developed mind.
Aw thank you 😊 I always love looking at the supporting characters in a work 😁
In the 2002 version u could see how much Helen started to like Carrie. I like how she stood up for her when Kenny was laughing & pulling faces at her. What a shame she was killed. In the 1976, the people who Carrie couldn't c floating around in her head. Was the ones who wasn't laughing without a doubt. Freida was shocked & appalled u could c it in her eyes. Miss Collins looked like she was going to break down crying. No way were they laughing at her. Only the main bullies & their gangs were. In the 2013 I think had the worst humiliation scene going. U can really c why she made their deaths so painful
It's interesting how the 1976 got around the laughing. In the book, everyone was, including Miss Desjardin. But they weren't mainly laughing because they found it funny - but the sort of nervous laughter that comes when something shocking happens. So Carrie interpreted that as everyone laughing at her expense. Obviously you can't really convey that in a film, so imagining everyone laughing was a nice touch.
@@BetterWithBob Sadly I think the shocked laughter quickly turned to malicious laughter, considering that some guy tripped Carrie over when she was trying to leave, which made people laugh even harder at her 🥺
@@theangelproductions Oh yes I forgot about that moment. Looks like the 2013 film was planning to get around that by having one of the popular girls trip her up on the way out.
😍 P.J. Soles (Norma)
Katharine Isabelle (Tina)
Zoë Belkin (Tina)
2002 Version takes the cake as my favorite, but the 1976 Carrie’s mother tops all of them!
Piper Laurie got that Oscar nomination for a very good reason lol.
Piper Laurie hadn't made a movie since "The Hustler" back in the 60s, because she'd quit acting to get married.
Helen’s death was sad.. she really could have survived but yes the 2002 movie is still my favorite in all aspects !!
The 2002 Helen was actually really nice she didn’t deserve to die
Norma too
Norma la del 2002 sobrevive con la mestra disgardin con otros alumnos lo de Carrie pero Helen no merecía morir esta versión se fue al cielo 😇
02 norma is a sweetheart and she friggin adorable 😊
Helen from 2002 adaptation is the best Helen
Miss Collins didn’t bring it on herself, beyond making the understandable mistake of not listening to Sue when she was trying to warn her about the prank. I can’t fathom how anyone could reason she bears any culpability in the tragedy or her own death. She also happened to inadvertently save Sue’s life by throwing her out of the gymnasium. That said, this is a really interesting and well done video and I think it’s a testament to the lasting power and relevance of Stephen King’s story and its themes. Though I will say Brian De Palma’s amazing original film is probably the single biggest reason the story is so embedded in the public consciousness.
Sue would have busted Chris and Billy, and Carrie and Tommy could have moved out of the way. Carrie would have known that she had allies and the attempted prank wouldn't have sent her over the edge. Miss Collins jumped to a conclusion and paid the price
chelan simmons 😍😍😍
Carrie was 100% an aspie
The "u shut up" part where she didn't understand the social know how and etiquette was a huge indicator
I saw that as social backwardness and use of obsolete language.
I was in high school in the 1970s and then telling someone to "shut up" was a forceful way of telling them to "stop talking." In general use it still is.
In circa 2002 the slang meaning of “shut up” often meant that you don't believe or are surprised by what someone just said. You are surprised or amazed.
That is what the girl meant when finding out that Carrie made her own dress.
I love the 2013 prom scene the best. It is just so satisfying and replayable because of how it has the most brutal deaths out of the 3 movies, and Carrie actually targeting them. However, I would’ve loved if the other girls got more development since even though the deaths were fantastic, it did feel a bit odd for some underdeveloped side characters (borderline background characters) to have such prominent deaths.
My thoughts exactly! Supposedly the original draft gave them a little more.
@@BetterWithBob There was allegedly supposed to be a scene where Chris and the other girls bully Sue in a director’s cut version of the film, which I’m not 100% sure I believe because Sue and Heather were kinda friends during the movie and Heather wasn’t really being rude to her at the prom, but who knows.
In the original book and 1976 film, Sue showed up to the prom ONLY to make sure Carrie was okay. Sue had constantly seen how Carrie was treated by classmates, teachers and other characters in the book and was really the only character (Save for the gym teacher) who felt sorry for her after the tampon harrassment so, she wanted to make sure that Tommy was treating her with nothing but kindness.
Sue doesn't show up at the prom in the book. Only in the 1976 and 2013 films. She's at home until the massacre starts
Norma was very cunning and sadistic as much as Chris . She even hangs with Chris all the time in the 76 movie . When collecting ballots I noticed off the bat , The snickering voice , And she knew by listening in that Carrie was going to prom because she knew through the meeting with miss collins Tommy, Sue and told Chris . Norma 1976 was a big player in the blood prank . And she laughed hard enough for all to hear when the bucket was dumped.
Frieda Jason isn’t apart of Chris’s group in the book and the other movies. It’s noted that she might be in the book but there’s not confirmed sign of it. Also in 1976 she seems to be more of a ally to Chris and her group than a member.
I remember Chris doesn't seem to like her, making an anti-Semitic comment about her when she's nominated for Prom Queen
@@BetterWithBob yeah.
Am I the only one who feels like Heather should’ve been like Helen Shyres from the 2002 film?
I thought she was supposed to be at first, but then you can see Helen's name on the prom ballot.
Yeah, that’s kind of odd.
I don't think Heather was in on the prank. I remember reading somewhere that they had two shots with Sue and Heather, one where she seems like she's lying, but in the final movie, it seems like she genuinely doesn't know that Chris is at prom. She still laughed at Carrie at prom, though, which ultimately makes her guilty.
Side note: I absolutely loathe Tina (or in 1976's case, Norma)
Loathe the portrayal or as in she's an effective villain in making you hate her?
@@BetterWithBob The latter :p
@@theangelproductions oh that's good ^_^
The treatment of the girl posse in the 2013 version is so disappointing, especially the twins and Heather. Tina was great but she was underused too, even if not as much
It feels as though there were great characters in there, if they could only restore the material that got cut.
Exactly
I think these movies are so intersting, the 2002 version did kinda flunk but Emilie de Ravin's Chris was so good, and it's interesting to analyse stuff like this
Part of me was very sad because Helen died and would’ve been a great character in the TV show, but another part of me has a strong feeling the show would be very lackluster lol
I remember someone pointing out to me that it's possible to survive electrocution so Helen could still be alive in headcanon lol
the Ultras/Morimer Snerd members
novel
Chris Hargensen - Leader
Tina Blake
Sue Snell (Former)
Helen Shyres (Former)
The Thibodeau Sisters
Rachel Spies
Jessica Upshaw
Norma Watson (Possibly)
note: in the novel didn't mention about Norma is part of the clique
1976 adaptation
Chris Hargensen - Leader
Norma Watson
Sue Snell (Former)
Helen Shyres
The Wilson Twins
Alice Litten
Julia McDermitt
Mary Blake
Ruth Gogan
Katie O'Shea
Mary Lila Grace
Trudy Bourne
Madeline Pollack
2002 adaptation
Chris Hargensen - Leader
Tina Blake
Sue Snell (Former)
Helen Shyres (Former)
The Thibodeau Sisters
Rachel Spies
Jessica Upshaw
Fern
Cao Nguyen
2013 adaptation
Chris Hargensen - Leader
Tina Blake
Sue Snell (Former)
Heather Shyres
The Watson Sisters
Rachel Spies (Possibly)
Jessica Upshaw (Possibly)
Anissa Chen (Possibly)
This was a fun series! What's next?
I had one for Now Voyager that I drafted way back in February, so I think that could be a good one to do next :D Very relevant talk on mental health.
Geez...The 2013 version was the most intense. What I really dislike about a lot of teen films is how most of the time, all of the girl posse/bully gang are 100% mean.
Chris's friend and accomplices
Norma (P.J.Soles) 1976
Tina (Katharine Isabelle) 2002
Tina (Zoë Belkin) 2013
They Are My favorites ❤️
Katherine Isabelle was so good at playing a malicious, hate filled, unrepentant bully that I feel she should’ve been cast as Chris instead of Tina.
Yeah, I didn’t really get much mean girl vibes from Chris. I didn’t really get that immersed in her character because okay she was mean, but most of her mean-ness was from Billy and she even hesitated to pour the bucket. Tina would’ve been someone that could do something nasty like that
I read that Sissy was originally going to be one of the mean girls as they thought she was too pretty to play Carrie. Is this true?
I'm not sure. In interviews, Sissy has said that she was auditioning for Carrie and really lobbying for the role - even rubbing vaseline in her hair to make it look greasy and wearing an old dress. Supposedly Brian DePalma tried to discourage her but she pushed for Carrie anyway. I do know that Amy Irving was a leading candidate before she got cast as Sue, and there was an unknown actress called Betty Slade in the running too.
It's curious to imagine how could Sissy be as a mean girl. I think her role as Pinky Rose after she wake from coma and changes her personality in 3 Women (1977) - where she started as shy, weirdly cute and childlike girl to a voluptuous, arrogant and rude woman.
Great video ❤️💖
i know Chelan from Final Destination 3, my fave film. i know Emilie from Lost, my fave series. and i know Kathrine from Ginger Snaps, one of my fave films. i just found out all of them are in this film and all of them are main characters im crying i must watch it.
I'm ashamed to admit I knew Katharine from Freddy vs Jason first lol. Chelan was in the original IT as well (she's the girl getting killed at the start)
miss desjardin: they’ll never be more pretty or more popular
Carrie: *I’ll make sure of it by killing them*
Well she did technically make them hotter.
your right lol
I think the 2002 version does the best job with the popular girls. They are each memorable and get their own personality. I agree the 2013 version was disappointing. I read the original script and I wish they had kept it the final film closer to that. I wish they would have released all the deleted scenes. The mean girls have so much potential in the film but feel like glorified extras. It's especially frustrating because as you said in this version Carrie singles them out and they get pretty brutal deaths. Imagine Tina in the 2002 version getting 2013 Tina's death. It would have been so satisfying lol.
you should compair these to carrie 2 the rage, Point Pleasont a 2005 tv show and to Insaciable
Are you going to do a video for Tommy Ross?
I answered that a couple of times in various other comments. You'll find it eventually if you don't mind scrolling ;)
Tbh, i think pj soles should’ve played Chris. I know Nancy Allen did a good job but I really wish Chris was more in line with her book counterpart and she acts more bratty than sociopathically. But pj soles could’ve portrayed the character extremely well.
That's an interesting thought. But I suppose Nancy was deferring to Brian De Palma as writer/director. He'd write the scenes and tell her to play Chris that way. She didn't even seem to know she was playing the main villain.
Better With Bob? Yeah I guess your right. I don’t think there was plenty of time to show Chris sociopathic side.
How about you compare prom scenes , with the prom scene from the musical for next video ?
That's a thought.
@@BetterWithBob :D awesome :D
@@BetterWithBob I'd like to see that as well :D
@@theangelproductions That could be a fun Halloween topic actually. I'm halfway through a video on Now Voyager at the moment but maybe after?
play as tina 2002 version want to know her name
Katharine Isabelle plays her
not 2002 helen and ron staring at carrie butt lol
oh Helen was way more into it than Roy lol
Roy y Helen y Carrie un triángulo bixesual se casan y tuvieran a Rachel sería guau
Digo de decir 🙄 o podría ser sue
In the 2002 and 2013 Carrie movies both Chris and Tina are like Kate and Claire from Lizzie McGuire and Libby and her friends from Sabrina
Some of the deaths (ie heather) were blink and miss quick lol
Yeah I didn't even twig that she got killed until my second watch of the film
A male version of Carrie would be something new & fresh....but Carrie was like a female paranormal version of columbine lol
I may have written something that is basically Carrie meets The Craft. Naturally I wrote myself as the Carrie figure lol
Well, they’re going to have to do something to change the period scene then
I don't think that would work
I remember I made something similar where Tommy was Bi, the deaths involved Norma getting crushed by a sound baffle, Miss Desjardin using a fire axe to break down the door, a Parisian prom, etc.
@@winterdreambellit would be because men are more cruel than women. It most definitely would work and should be done.
They do one with Christine/Chris hargensen And her boyfriend billy
ruclips.net/video/5hx4O9eDz_Q/видео.html Yeah right here
Have you read IT? Because if you have. You can do the losers club and penny wise as well as the other characters throughout the years.
Haha I read it back when I was 14 and loved it
Not THAT scene but all the rest
@@BetterWithBob yeah it’s a good book it’s really long.
@@janeromero1935 I think it's one of the only epic horror novels
Nothing compares to the original
i wish I WaS heaTher
Preferably before she got thrown into the glass door
@@BetterWithBob they should make 2020 or 2021
8:19 - 9:44 🖤
ah we love Helen ;)
@@BetterWithBob Helen 2002 is the best Helen. And She and her Boyfriend doesn't deverse die .
In 1976 there were 15 girls that day for detention with ms Collins
А можно русские субтитры please
2002 Tommy was pretty hot 😍
Like the video💖😇
... U missed Tommy "_"
I had one written for him but at the time Ansel Elgort had some statutory rape allegations, and I felt a bit odd discussing the character at that time - since his version is the one I liked best. I might revisit that video sometime in the future though
@@BetterWithBob Ansel was my favourite Tommy too, so hearing about his allegations was extremely disheartening. At least there are two other versions of Tommy I can appreciate.
@@theangelproductions I did like Tobias Mehler's version too, though I'm a little lukewarm to William Katt's, if that's not heresy to say 🙈
@@theangelproductions He also bodyshamed Chloe grace moretz too. Basically he was saying how he’d never date her in real life, saying she was too big for him. I never liked Tommy in the 2013 remake, Ansel comes off as a creep to me.
I found this info from this video, its near the end when she talks about the characters ruclips.net/video/7xxzF4-pmE4/видео.html
I. Dont know why they were. Be So mean to her. Because she got her p.ms. it was girls get. When truly woman .. she kill them. All them.live not the one that bully her they died. . The boy she like. He died. .. ..the other girl.got pig blood. They. Put on her. I love carrie movie.s.
Chloe Moritz is too pretty not to be, if not popular, at least left alone...
Highschool popularity doesn’t actually care about looks as much as most people think. It’s more-so your demeanor and personality, and Carrie being shy, timid, sheltered and religious, those qualities would get her bullied.
And personally, I knew some very good looking people that were bullied
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