Sue 1976 expressed her feelings for Carrie spot on. You could really see the guilt in her eyes over the shower incident. She wasn't just proud of what she was doing for Carrie, but you could see pretty clear she wanted to help make a differents to the girl's life😍
Sue in the 2013 one was probably the best portrayal of the character because her motive for asking Tommy to take Carrie to prom is under pressure by everyone thinking she doesn’t care and her nightmare at the end is more meaningful.
I love that the 1976 Sue and 2002 Sue have the same hairstyle . Also, while 1976 Sue is my favorite portrayal of her, I feel like the 2002 Sue was more of a free-thinker and a generally stronger person than the other girls in her school. She offers more insight into her background with Chris and call her out on numerous occasions after the locker room/period incident. Also 2002 has very refreshing and genuine interactions with Carrie and makes effort to actually get to know her better prior to prom which made them feel more like authentic teen classmates and not just actors brought together by a script.
Actually after seeing the 76 portrayal of the story as often as I have, I found that sue was probably the only friend Carrie ever had. Sue comes to care about her and her wellbeing and leads to her wanting her BF to show Carrie a glimpse of of some kind of normalcy and affection. Sue isn't a bitch and that's why we love her.
I decided the 2002 version is my favorite, due to how she makes friends with Carrie and helps her escape at the end, rather then just working behind the scenes. Also, something I keep forgetting to ask: I've heard people suggest that in the 1976 Tommy actually falls in love with Carrie. Say the Black Prom never happened and afterwards Tommy decides he'd rather be with Carrie. Would Sue decide she hates Carrie now? I'd like to think she'd just accept it, since it was her idea to have Tommy take her out in the first place.
I love Gabriella Wilde as Sue, even with cut scenes she still has plenty of screentime that we get to see her evolve and become a secondary protagonist. I love seeing her express guilt with Tommy before the detention scene but also shows stubbornness to apologise, it's so realistic. I love they showed us a clear motivation why thinks giving up her prom ticket to Carrie is the right way to make it up to her and you feel the devastation she's feeling when it all goes wrong. I love how they expanded on her pregnancy from the book, it's such a beautiful moment when Carrie senses it at the end.
Another great analysis with some useful insight. I feel like if Sue suffers in the 1976 version, it's to the benefit of the film's suspense. Carrie (1976) is interesting in that it's a Horror Mystery, a genre fusion we don't often see. The constant back and forth wondering if Sue is in on the prank and then the shock of realizing she isn't is a highlight moment of the film. The audience is just as shocked as Amy Irving looks once she puts all the pieces together. Regardless, you make a really compelling point with how different/similar the portrayals of all of these characters are and why Sue's trajectory is the outlier. In the earlier screen adaptations, we know who these characters are from the start (victim, monster, abuser, etc.) while Sue herself is the mystery. The later versions lose the mystery aspect and instead make a clear statement about Sue and her intentions which, as a result, make a more solidified character in the viewer's mind.
I didn't know about the earlier concept for the 2002 version, Carrie dying and Sue getting her powers, that would have been a better ending in my opinion, maybe the series could have been picked up with that other ending, who knows. Sue turns out to be my favorite character in the 2013 version, because how the character is developed, and as you have pointed out, she evolved from the first adaptation to the last one. Some people have said that the 2013 version wasn't necessary, but after Sue, as well as Tommy, getting improved in this version, it was good that we got this movie and seeing these things "fixed" from the first adaptation, even though the 2013 version could have been better and Carrie here being the worst from all adaptations.
I agree that Tommy was improved in the 2013 version too (spoiling my later video hehe). I think word on the series is that the ratings were strong enough on the movie to justify it, and Bryan Fuller wrote an outline for a second episode before he realised the network weren't really interested.
Keep forgetting to ask this: When Miss Collins shakes her and says "what are you doing?" in the '76 version, does she just mean "why are you doing this"? Or something more like "You're usually so nice, how could you do something so mean?" I think the latter makes more sense. It would explain why she feels so remorseful afterward.
I'd say that's it. I remember in the book, when she talks with the principal, they say how unexpected it was for Sue to be involved - whereas they're not surprised at all about Chris doing it.
Yeah that's the plan at the moment :) I just suddenly ended up with a last-minute gig editing a feature I was in so that's taking up a bit of my time. But I have ones lined up for the other characters too :)
So Rachel is born long after through the same father Carrie had? For some reason I thought Sue's child was the new Carrie or something but that's not even a thing and I don't think Sue's child is even present??? I wish the Chloe Moretz version had a second one just to clarify characters and events.
Yeah in the book Ralph just died before Carrie was born. The 76 version changed it so that he ran off with another woman. It was either this woman or another tryst years later that produced Rachel. The book also explains that telekinesis is genetic and passed on by the males but only females have the powers (Margaret's grandmother had them too). Sue doesn't have a child in the book either - she's late on her period for a while after she and Tommy start having sex, and she thinks she might be pregnant. But after Carrie dies, the last mention is Sue bleeding - so either she was just late or the whole experience made her miscarry. There is no literary sequel to the book, and The Rage: Carrie 2 is its own original story that started out unrelated and got changed to a sequel. The 2013 version decided to have Sue give birth to a child as a ray of hope ending for her. Sue's child likely wouldn't have powers since no one in her family appears to (although there's plenty of headcanon opportunities if one wants to find a way).
@@BetterWithBob Fairs thank you, I do feel there was a missed opportunity to sequel the newer Carrie making Sue and her child a focus and maybe some background flashbacks of Carries family way up in history or something. I'd appreciate something like this more than Netflix creating random Sherlock pieces (irregulars and enola) despite the writer of the loved t.v series saying he wants to continue at some point and the films also continuing as planned and the fail that was Anne of Green G stopping at the point every version ever has so providing nothing new to lovers.
He likely impregnated Rachel’s mom just a few years after the evens of the first film, assuming the films take place in the years they’re released anyway, Rachel was likely conceived a few years after Carrie’s death
Also keep forgetting to add this buy: I think having Carrie die in the first episode and Sue getting her power seems like a really bad idea. It's like if they had a Superman show where Superman died at the beginning and Jimmy Olsen got his powers or something. Tho maybe Carrie would still exist as a ghost or something to help her out (think like Obi-Wan).
I don't know which version is the best but I'm not surprised people think she was in on the prank in the 1976 version, as her going to the prom is kind of a plot hole otherwise. Why did she just suddenly decide to go and sneak in? The implication seems to be it was just to make sure Carrie was ok but why did she happen to show up right before the blood was spilled? Also, she sees the bucket and is noticeably uneasy about it for a few minutes beforehand. Why didn't she just yell for Carrie to look out?
The way the scene goes, she sees the bucket but isn't sure what it's about. Then she looks under the stage and sees Billy and Chris - and realises what they're up to. She probably did yell, but wasn't heard; since everyone was clapping and it was full of students, there was probably loads of noise. I'm not the biggest fan of that change but I think that's the rationale.
The 02 sue is 🐐 she really felt like carries only friend aside from others like norma and bobby she was with her true thick and thin the 76 sue was great but she was definitely more of row model and plot device to pitty carrie she only started getting interesting the middle act of the movie the 2013 sue is boring 😅
Something someone asked on another site? Why doesn't she just try to befriend Carrie to make it up to her? This seems a lot less extreme than having her boyfriend take her to the Prom.
Possibly because she wants to punish herself rather than just be Carrie's friend. She's feeling so guilty over the whole thing that she wants to atone for somehow. Becoming Carrie's friend would possibly not mean much since they're graduating soon, and it would be disingenuous to pretend to be her friend when she doesn't really like her as a person. So giving up her prom date that she's been dreaming of is a two-fer, since it's a fitting punishment in her own eyes that also gives Carrie a good high school memory. But at the end of the day, she's only 17-18 and still working out her worldview.
Because Sue doesn’t even like Carrie, at least in the book this is stated after Carrie mind rapes Sue at the end, yes she gave up her Prom so Carrie could have one night to break out of her shell and punish herself, but she never really wanted to be her friend, she just felt guilty and pitied her. In the 2002 version she does try to befriend Carrie before the prom but this was likely added because that film was going to be a pilot for a series about Carrie and likely Sue too.
Sue 1976 expressed her feelings for Carrie spot on. You could really see the guilt in her eyes over the shower incident. She wasn't just proud of what she was doing for Carrie, but you could see pretty clear she wanted to help make a differents to the girl's life😍
Thanks for watching :)
Exactly. Sue could have been the most wonderful person in Carrie's life.
Sue in the 2013 one was probably the best portrayal of the character because her motive for asking Tommy to take Carrie to prom is under pressure by everyone thinking she doesn’t care and her nightmare at the end is more meaningful.
Glad to see more fans of the 2013 version :)
Sue was sexualized in 2013 . Not that was bad but so 2010s .
I love that the 1976 Sue and 2002 Sue have the same hairstyle . Also, while 1976 Sue is my favorite portrayal of her, I feel like the 2002 Sue was more of a free-thinker and a generally stronger person than the other girls in her school. She offers more insight into her background with Chris and call her out on numerous occasions after the locker room/period incident. Also 2002 has very refreshing and genuine interactions with Carrie and makes effort to actually get to know her better prior to prom which made them feel more like authentic teen classmates and not just actors brought together by a script.
If anyone had the guts to stand up to Chris even the evil scary vindictive sociopath Chris from 2013 it’s absolutely Sue 2002 .
Gabriella Wilde’s portrayal was my favourite by far, she really made me forgive sue
Glad to see more fans of Gabriella's Sue :) I loved what she did.
Actually after seeing the 76 portrayal of the story as often as I have, I found that sue was probably the only friend Carrie ever had. Sue comes to care about her and her wellbeing and leads to her wanting her BF to show Carrie a glimpse of of some kind of normalcy and affection. Sue isn't a bitch and that's why we love her.
They never interacted face to face in 76. But sues deeds support your theory .
I decided the 2002 version is my favorite, due to how she makes friends with Carrie and helps her escape at the end, rather then just working behind the scenes. Also, something I keep forgetting to ask: I've heard people suggest that in the 1976 Tommy actually falls in love with Carrie. Say the Black Prom never happened and afterwards Tommy decides he'd rather be with Carrie. Would Sue decide she hates Carrie now? I'd like to think she'd just accept it, since it was her idea to have Tommy take her out in the first place.
Carrie is one of my favorite movie of all time ❤
Me too, I've loved it since I was 14 ^_^
This is the worst of Steven king in my opinion, I would rather watch the stand or shawshank or even christine
I definitely think that the 2012 Off-Broadway Musical portrays Sue the best.
I love Gabriella Wilde as Sue, even with cut scenes she still has plenty of screentime that we get to see her evolve and become a secondary protagonist. I love seeing her express guilt with Tommy before the detention scene but also shows stubbornness to apologise, it's so realistic. I love they showed us a clear motivation why thinks giving up her prom ticket to Carrie is the right way to make it up to her and you feel the devastation she's feeling when it all goes wrong. I love how they expanded on her pregnancy from the book, it's such a beautiful moment when Carrie senses it at the end.
Another great analysis with some useful insight. I feel like if Sue suffers in the 1976 version, it's to the benefit of the film's suspense.
Carrie (1976) is interesting in that it's a Horror Mystery, a genre fusion we don't often see. The constant back and forth wondering if Sue is in on the prank and then the shock of realizing she isn't is a highlight moment of the film. The audience is just as shocked as Amy Irving looks once she puts all the pieces together.
Regardless, you make a really compelling point with how different/similar the portrayals of all of these characters are and why Sue's trajectory is the outlier. In the earlier screen adaptations, we know who these characters are from the start (victim, monster, abuser, etc.) while Sue herself is the mystery. The later versions lose the mystery aspect and instead make a clear statement about Sue and her intentions which, as a result, make a more solidified character in the viewer's mind.
I didn't know about the earlier concept for the 2002 version, Carrie dying and Sue getting her powers, that would have been a better ending in my opinion, maybe the series could have been picked up with that other ending, who knows.
Sue turns out to be my favorite character in the 2013 version, because how the character is developed, and as you have pointed out, she evolved from the first adaptation to the last one.
Some people have said that the 2013 version wasn't necessary, but after Sue, as well as Tommy, getting improved in this version, it was good that we got this movie and seeing these things "fixed" from the first adaptation, even though the 2013 version could have been better and Carrie here being the worst from all adaptations.
I agree that Tommy was improved in the 2013 version too (spoiling my later video hehe).
I think word on the series is that the ratings were strong enough on the movie to justify it, and Bryan Fuller wrote an outline for a second episode before he realised the network weren't really interested.
Keep forgetting to ask this: When Miss Collins shakes her and says "what are you doing?" in the '76 version, does she just mean "why are you doing this"? Or something more like "You're usually so nice, how could you do something so mean?" I think the latter makes more sense. It would explain why she feels so remorseful afterward.
I'd say that's it. I remember in the book, when she talks with the principal, they say how unexpected it was for Sue to be involved - whereas they're not surprised at all about Chris doing it.
This was an amazing video. Have you thought about doing this for other characters like Chris , Carrie , etc ?
Yeah that's the plan at the moment :) I just suddenly ended up with a last-minute gig editing a feature I was in so that's taking up a bit of my time. But I have ones lined up for the other characters too :)
He did carrie white
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So Rachel is born long after through the same father Carrie had? For some reason I thought Sue's child was the new Carrie or something but that's not even a thing and I don't think Sue's child is even present??? I wish the Chloe Moretz version had a second one just to clarify characters and events.
Yeah in the book Ralph just died before Carrie was born. The 76 version changed it so that he ran off with another woman. It was either this woman or another tryst years later that produced Rachel. The book also explains that telekinesis is genetic and passed on by the males but only females have the powers (Margaret's grandmother had them too). Sue doesn't have a child in the book either - she's late on her period for a while after she and Tommy start having sex, and she thinks she might be pregnant. But after Carrie dies, the last mention is Sue bleeding - so either she was just late or the whole experience made her miscarry. There is no literary sequel to the book, and The Rage: Carrie 2 is its own original story that started out unrelated and got changed to a sequel. The 2013 version decided to have Sue give birth to a child as a ray of hope ending for her. Sue's child likely wouldn't have powers since no one in her family appears to (although there's plenty of headcanon opportunities if one wants to find a way).
@@BetterWithBob Fairs thank you, I do feel there was a missed opportunity to sequel the newer Carrie making Sue and her child a focus and maybe some background flashbacks of Carries family way up in history or something. I'd appreciate something like this more than Netflix creating random Sherlock pieces (irregulars and enola) despite the writer of the loved t.v series saying he wants to continue at some point and the films also continuing as planned and the fail that was Anne of Green G stopping at the point every version ever has so providing nothing new to lovers.
He likely impregnated Rachel’s mom just a few years after the evens of the first film, assuming the films take place in the years they’re released anyway, Rachel was likely conceived a few years after Carrie’s death
Also keep forgetting to add this buy: I think having Carrie die in the first episode and Sue getting her power seems like a really bad idea. It's like if they had a Superman show where Superman died at the beginning and Jimmy Olsen got his powers or something. Tho maybe Carrie would still exist as a ghost or something to help her out (think like Obi-Wan).
I don't know which version is the best but I'm not surprised people think she was in on the prank in the 1976 version, as her going to the prom is kind of a plot hole otherwise. Why did she just suddenly decide to go and sneak in? The implication seems to be it was just to make sure Carrie was ok but why did she happen to show up right before the blood was spilled? Also, she sees the bucket and is noticeably uneasy about it for a few minutes beforehand. Why didn't she just yell for Carrie to look out?
The way the scene goes, she sees the bucket but isn't sure what it's about. Then she looks under the stage and sees Billy and Chris - and realises what they're up to. She probably did yell, but wasn't heard; since everyone was clapping and it was full of students, there was probably loads of noise. I'm not the biggest fan of that change but I think that's the rationale.
@@BetterWithBob Ya. I like how the 2013 version "fixes" this part by having her get a text from Chris threatening her.
Gabriella Wilde ❤️
The Sue Snell in the 1976 movie was well done.
Sue snell is back! From carrie in act 1 haos contestir Vol 1. 0:40
The 02 sue is 🐐 she really felt like carries only friend aside from others like norma and bobby she was with her true thick and thin the 76 sue was great but she was definitely more of row model and plot device to pitty carrie she only started getting interesting the middle act of the movie the 2013 sue is boring 😅
Was Amy Irving attractive in her day?
She was cute
Something someone asked on another site? Why doesn't she just try to befriend Carrie to make it up to her? This seems a lot less extreme than having her boyfriend take her to the Prom.
Possibly because she wants to punish herself rather than just be Carrie's friend. She's feeling so guilty over the whole thing that she wants to atone for somehow. Becoming Carrie's friend would possibly not mean much since they're graduating soon, and it would be disingenuous to pretend to be her friend when she doesn't really like her as a person. So giving up her prom date that she's been dreaming of is a two-fer, since it's a fitting punishment in her own eyes that also gives Carrie a good high school memory. But at the end of the day, she's only 17-18 and still working out her worldview.
Because Sue doesn’t even like Carrie, at least in the book this is stated after Carrie mind rapes Sue at the end, yes she gave up her Prom so Carrie could have one night to break out of her shell and punish herself, but she never really wanted to be her friend, she just felt guilty and pitied her. In the 2002 version she does try to befriend Carrie before the prom but this was likely added because that film was going to be a pilot for a series about Carrie and likely Sue too.