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  • Atheist Experience 26.47 for November 20, 2022 with Forrest Valkai & Christy Powell LIVE at the Freethought Library
    Jay from IA asks why Atheists feel the need to talk about their non-belief and tell others God doesn’t exist all the time.
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Комментарии • 6 тыс.

  • @samcero
    @samcero Год назад +885

    There is no hate like Christian love.

    • @darrelgreene
      @darrelgreene Год назад +1

      You've hit the nail on head... As a Faithful minded person I think that we are the fulcrum of love and hate, we are the medium! That's the whole point in choice "freewill" if there is such a thing "in the moment" ... But, We bring into existence, both of those things, we do that... Not God! and the Bible? Those written words, just like anything else, the manipulation of the selfish human! We believe what we believe, because we've chosen to believe it... And, Bayesian, I figure a exact opposite of me is probably in the here and now as well! Love and Hate!

    • @chadrasmussen1154
      @chadrasmussen1154 Год назад +4

      Christains dont hate we just live by a different value system then people who are purposely rebeling agaisnt their creator

    • @edwardpenny7698
      @edwardpenny7698 Год назад

      @@chadrasmussen1154 Atheists do not believe in any supernatural beings you cannot rebel against what does not exist

    • @taekooktrash9607
      @taekooktrash9607 Год назад

      ​​@@chadrasmussen1154 which creator exactly tho? there are so many and it's gonna be a bit egocentric if you said your god is the true creator 😂 this is why religion is a mess and i'm staying far far away from your cults.

    • @Aphex217Twin
      @Aphex217Twin Год назад +2

      and why have you chosen to believe it? Doesn't this so called "free will" thing require causes outside itself?

  • @lurch666
    @lurch666 Год назад +2237

    Theists don't want atheists telling people what to believe because theists want the exclusive right to tell people what to believe.

    • @liberalhere3731
      @liberalhere3731 Год назад +160

      No......They want the right to force people to believe certain *BELIEFS* and never think about how those beliefs fail when compared to reality.

    • @DamarisJohnsonnakomiah
      @DamarisJohnsonnakomiah Год назад +29

      Exactly!

    • @mg-fx5dn
      @mg-fx5dn Год назад +43

      That’s not true! And you should stop believing that it is right now

    • @scottc1857
      @scottc1857 Год назад +5

      Theism only sounds reasonable if nobody's allowed to point out all the reasons it's stupid yes.

    • @StolenPw
      @StolenPw Год назад +44

      @@mg-fx5dn Its pretty true

  • @norswil8763
    @norswil8763 Год назад +750

    Imagine arriving in heaven and being trapped with millions of people like this guy.

    • @geraldkenneth119
      @geraldkenneth119 Год назад +75

      “Can I go to the other place instead?”
      “This is the other place”

    • @thegreatdestroyer6506
      @thegreatdestroyer6506 Год назад +50

      Heaven for the climate, hell for the company.

    • @adamcummings4060
      @adamcummings4060 Год назад +7

      Unfortunately if I'm wrong about the whole god thing, I feel like I'm gonna end up in hell with millions of people like this guy..

    • @brianray2614
      @brianray2614 Год назад +6

      Sounds like he’ll to me!! 😵‍💫

    • @DerpLvIAsian
      @DerpLvIAsian Год назад +11

      @@adamcummings4060 nah, if you're wrong about the whole god thing, we be throwing a mad rave party in hell. hellfire BBQ = best BBQ

  • @robmorris4056
    @robmorris4056 Год назад +124

    “We cannot understand the mind of god and he works in mysterious ways… but let me tell you exactly what he wants you to do”

  • @jiubboatman9352
    @jiubboatman9352 Год назад +914

    When a person uses the term "woke" the way Jay did. I can't help but feel he is basically saying that he is proudly ignorant.

    • @grabble7605
      @grabble7605 Год назад +101

      That is what he's saying. Pride in ignorance is a storied American tradition and the internet especially has taken it as cultural bedrock.

    • @thethiccestboi7648
      @thethiccestboi7648 Год назад +2

      Im not sure you understand what ignorant means lmfao

    • @jiubboatman9352
      @jiubboatman9352 Год назад +56

      @@thethiccestboi7648 Could you at least state your reasoning so that I have a basis for a rebuttal?
      I can give the dictionary definition if you like. Lacking education or knowledge. Brute facts are brut facts.
      Jay is unfortunately and quite possibly through no fault of his own, not very well educated. At least on the issues being discussed in the video. I can make no comment as to other things as I have no evidence.

    • @paulcooper1223
      @paulcooper1223 Год назад +43

      @@thethiccestboi7648 Ignorant in this instance means not having a clue about the subject but still choosing to comment anyway.
      Dunning-Kruger effect is also apt, something you've displayed in spades by claiming the LGBTQ+ community has religious holidays and religious texts.

    • @thethiccestboi7648
      @thethiccestboi7648 Год назад

      @@paulcooper1223 please quote where i ever said the lgbt had religious holidays or texts

  • @AmirhoseinHerandy
    @AmirhoseinHerandy Год назад +976

    Random people telling biologists what biology is never gets old :))

    • @FakingANerve
      @FakingANerve Год назад +90

      I'm just sad he didn't bring up the big bang. I was _one_ square away from calling Bingo.

    • @AmirhoseinHerandy
      @AmirhoseinHerandy Год назад +1

      @Magicus Chemicus Daddyus 🤣🤣🤣

    • @FakingANerve
      @FakingANerve Год назад +18

      @@youhaveaGodregardlesscreature "Biology is what god used to creature you?" Lol!!

    • @Angelum_Band
      @Angelum_Band Год назад +15

      @@AmirhoseinHerandy And yet as an Atheist I say gender identity is just another religion based on feelings.

    • @paulcooper1223
      @paulcooper1223 Год назад +52

      @@Angelum_Band Can you back that statement up with evidence?

  • @RenegadeScienceTeacher
    @RenegadeScienceTeacher Год назад +303

    Sorry I was on the computer for the latter half of this call. I was trying to pull up a textbook that I wanted to quote to Jay. I actually found it a little later in the show. Here's the quote:
    "Gender is not the same as sex, Biological sex refers to the anatomical and physiological phenotype of an individual. Gender is a category assigned by the individual or others based on behavior and cultural practices. One's gender need not coincide with one's biological sex."
    Genetics: A Conceptual Approach - Benjamin Pierce - 7th Edition
    As transphobes like to say, it's literally basic biology.

    • @Angelum_Band
      @Angelum_Band Год назад

      Gender identity is a religion based on the delusion that an individual's feelings about their own gender overrides their own sex.
      I will reiterate 100% of the people in this chat exist and are the result of the interaction and most likely intercourse between a man and a woman.

    • @ajclements4627
      @ajclements4627 Год назад +21

      @@Angelum_Band Congratulations, you have an opinion. 🙄

    • @geraldkenneth119
      @geraldkenneth119 Год назад

      @@ookeekthelibrarian from the university located directly up their ass

    • @No-cg9kj
      @No-cg9kj Год назад +24

      @@cajunking5987 "gender identity" is typically tied to traditional gender norms related to feminity and masculinity. Personally, I don't like the concept of gender identity at all because your genitals have little bearing on anything other than your role in reproduction and how easy it is to piss standing up. In a way, "gender identity" gives both a giant middle finger and a big hug to gender stereotypes. On one hand, it says that you can wear, talk, or do whatever you want no matter what genitals you have. On the other hand, it solidifes the idea that male and female are masculine and feminine, respectively.
      Basically, we're comparing biology and psychology. One has to deal with your physical body, the other pertains to the psyche.

    • @jayjasespud
      @jayjasespud Год назад +22

      @@cajunking5987 Your lack of understanding doesn't make it meaningless.

  • @devourlordasmodeus
    @devourlordasmodeus Год назад +216

    I love how quickly Forrest comes up with clever and eloquent responses, like "You believe a Jewish Zombie will burn my soul" to show how absurd of a thing the other person said was

    • @thunkjunk
      @thunkjunk Год назад

      Jay's question was accurate. Forrest believes that a male can be a woman. Jay accused them accurately of believing a woman can be a man and a man can be a woman. Males are men and females are woman. It is not logically possible for a male to be a woman.

    • @pavel9652
      @pavel9652 Год назад +7

      Heard that one about zombie before. I even saw stickers.

    • @EbonyPope
      @EbonyPope 2 месяца назад

      It's overused and absolutely cringe. Just like the spaghetti monster. We get it you think God isn't real. But this is just childish mocking not a real engagement with what Christians believe.

    • @heteroclitus
      @heteroclitus Месяц назад +2

      @@EbonyPope That's the whole reason Forrest used it as an example - to highlight the wilful mischaracterization of his position by the the caller.

    • @abc-pw5ff
      @abc-pw5ff Месяц назад +1

      @@EbonyPope Those statements are only used to point out the absurdity in the claims religious folks make.

  • @MartinIsRunning
    @MartinIsRunning Год назад +361

    Forrest makes an excellent point about “Jesus loves you” being a hateful message. I’ve never been able to explain it that succinctly before.

    • @AdmiralBison
      @AdmiralBison Год назад +54

      It's actually threatening and gas lighting.
      It's like a very bad parent or partner saying they "love you" before or after they abuse you.
      "I do this because I love you"
      "This hurts me more than it hurts you"
      "I love you, but sometimes I just get so mad"

    • @s_anandsurya
      @s_anandsurya Год назад +26

      It's like the crazy stalker that loves you so much that they wanna torture you for eternity if you don't love them back.

    • @tancred12
      @tancred12 Год назад +10

      Yeah, it's always made me feel icky, but I couldn't quite put my finger on it. This explanation is perfect and helped me understand it better too.

    • @tancred12
      @tancred12 Год назад +8

      @foxfireman188-ls1kv yeah, "unconditional love" is toxic in almost any relationship (still trying to figure out if it toxic for your children, but idk if I could not love my child no matter what, so...), but God doesn't love us unconditionally even though he says he does, cause if he did, Hell wouldn't be a place he actively sends people.

    • @blythethemad
      @blythethemad Год назад

      I've always interpreted the statement as a multi use jab depending on the context
      For ex
      If said in response to me simple saying im an atheist
      Jesus loves you = go fúçk yourself
      If said at the end of a debate especially a heated one
      Jesus loves you = go fúçk yourself you know im right
      If said in response to me pointing out anything immoral done by god in the bible
      Jesus loves you = dont read the bad bits otherwise its harder to believe the story and if less people believe then that makes it harder for me to keep believing so go fúçk yourself and just be a christian

  • @stevewik2280
    @stevewik2280 Год назад +695

    The WORST thing you can do to a conservative "christian" is treat them they way they treat everyone else.

    • @mookiewilson4166
      @mookiewilson4166 Год назад +1

      I’m a libertarian minded liberal atheist and I’ve got to say that I’ve found conservative Christians can share space and live & let live better than most of my leftist friends who can become screeching leftist wokescolds at the drop of a hat.

    • @EustaBAracer
      @EustaBAracer Год назад +45

      Setting them on fire forever is so cathartic though.

    • @zipherdias420
      @zipherdias420 Год назад +12

      I've tried locking them in my basement too but stopped at the fact that I don't have a basement.

    • @timsmith530
      @timsmith530 Год назад +1

      God Loves you

    • @jayrose8638
      @jayrose8638 Год назад +31

      @tim which god?

  • @PaTrick-cf6ev
    @PaTrick-cf6ev Год назад +257

    I'm an atheist, and I don't tell people, unless they ask me. And if they ask, it's usually because they're preparing to try and convert me to their way of beliefs.

    • @nembradora
      @nembradora Год назад +2

      Hi, Did it occur to you that maybe they want you to see the TRUTH, and by not knowing the TRUTH you will not know where you are heading. If a parent tells his son something he thinks is good for his son, did you ask yourself did he say it out of love and he does not want you to be astray. If you are a parent and love your kids, you will see the sense of what I am saying. If somebody says to you that GOD can bring you to the heavenly realm. Would it be great to know if it is real? Everything you see in this world will be left behind, and yet people have been deceived by their self-centeredness, and what the world has to offer. What you gain for having the world and yet lost your soul. What is in the world belongs to the world when your time is up it will be passed down or forgotten. Would you think you still care for them when you are gone? Harden, not your heart, seek the TRUTH not because that is what others say, but because you want to know what is the TRUTH.

    • @zombie-xj7gc
      @zombie-xj7gc Год назад +14

      Na their being pricks

    • @GlitchDoctor
      @GlitchDoctor Год назад +31

      @@nembradora cool story, bro

    • @darrellvice2010
      @darrellvice2010 Год назад +12

      ​@@nembradora 🤣

    • @scottdavis3571
      @scottdavis3571 Год назад +48

      @@nembradora The "TRUTH" is that no god has ever been proven to exist. It is past time to put gods down and play with other things.

  • @noelwass4738
    @noelwass4738 9 месяцев назад +101

    I liked the way the call finished. "You guys just don't like truth." "As soon as you bring me some, I will let you know how I feel about it".

    • @nunyastinkinbusiness
      @nunyastinkinbusiness 6 месяцев назад +2

      How about this: No gods, ghosts, spirits, dragons, afterlives, etc. are real. Everything real has an explanation behind it. Death is the end. We are remembered in the minds of all we meet and interact with in everyday life, and when we are gone other people's memories of us are our only afterlives, and we know nothing about it because we our conscious selves have ceased to exist...that's why we must teach our children or younger family members well, so that we continue to live in THEM.

    • @LunaBoo12
      @LunaBoo12 3 дня назад

      "Can a biological male impregnate another biological male who identifies as a woman?"
      Bro really thinks we're saying that an AMAB person can get pregnant. Thanks conservative media 🙄

  • @holgerlubotzki3469
    @holgerlubotzki3469 Год назад +324

    "Why Do Atheists Need To Tell People God Isn't Real All The Time?"
    For the same reason people with high school diplomas need to tell people that the earth is not flat.

    • @holgerlubotzki3469
      @holgerlubotzki3469 Год назад +1

      @Richardo Dawkinio Hey! How did you get your tattoo removed? Did you go to *"Ye's Tattoo Removal for self described !D10tZ"* ???
      LMFAO!!!

    • @scottc1857
      @scottc1857 Год назад +27

      @Richardo Dawkinio yes try to shift the burden of proof as always.
      Your emperor has no clothes.

    • @sledzeppelin
      @sledzeppelin Год назад +24

      @Richardo Dawkinio What claim did he make, other than that the earth is not flat?
      Do you think the earth is flat?

    • @DJ-73
      @DJ-73 Год назад +21

      @@sledzeppelin you are asking someone who won't provide evidence for their god.

    • @ajclements4627
      @ajclements4627 Год назад +11

      Dorkins has another alt? 🤦‍♂️

  • @WallessJ
    @WallessJ Год назад +99

    People like this believe that anything that is newly understood and different from how they grew up is "woke" and "repulsive"

    • @GRAHFXENO
      @GRAHFXENO Год назад +3

      Exactly. Conservatives are, by definition, threatened by change to the status quo. This caller, 60 years ago, would have called the civil rights movement repulsive

  • @DariusRoland
    @DariusRoland Год назад +197

    "You sounds like you're a wonderful person." is Forrest's version of the Southern "Bless your heart."

    • @Capt_Caveman205
      @Capt_Caveman205 Год назад +2

      Amen!! 😂

    • @taniserobnett177
      @taniserobnett177 10 месяцев назад

      As Seth Andrews said 'tiny little fuck you'

    • @samuelmerkel2888
      @samuelmerkel2888 9 месяцев назад

      It's funny because Forrest unironically looks and sounds like one of the unhappiest people I've ever seen. I cannot imagine he's a hit at parties 😅

    • @ELPsteel
      @ELPsteel 8 месяцев назад +18

      @@samuelmerkel2888 fuck are you talking about? I get the exact opposite impression of him, he actually brings me joy

    • @MinaOmega
      @MinaOmega 8 месяцев назад +1

      I hadn't caught this. Now I'll never miss it!

  • @2006glg
    @2006glg Год назад +86

    He's a joy. A pure joy, isn't he? Full of love and light. Shining example for his faith.

    • @JJ-ju6ky
      @JJ-ju6ky Год назад +3

      Totally! He's just here on this planet to make sure he makes as many people feel loved as possible!

    • @lewid019
      @lewid019 6 месяцев назад

      Actually hes a literal representation of the Christian death cult.

  • @gatorboymike
    @gatorboymike Год назад +264

    Homeboy called the wrong show if he just wants to scream and whine about woke stuff or trans stuff. Also, it's hilarious that he accused them of not liking truth, since he's the one who denies biology, denies cosmology, denies American history, denies the spherical Earth, denies the pandemic, denies the election, denies the insurrection, denies climate change, and denies that there is such a thing as reality in the first place.

    • @denverarnold6210
      @denverarnold6210 Год назад +17

      And denies the very points of view they are explicitly telling him.

    • @vooveks
      @vooveks Год назад +9

      I mean, you’re straw-manning the shit out of him, but you’re also probably right. 😁

    • @MicheleGardini
      @MicheleGardini Год назад +9

      @@vooveks yes but straw manning is what you use when you have no good arguments at all, so better not.

    • @chriswebster839
      @chriswebster839 Год назад +5

      @@youhaveaGodregardlesscreature what is a "god regardless creature"?

    • @vooveks
      @vooveks Год назад +7

      @@youhaveaGodregardlesscreature Yeah, that’s not working for you. Try again with some different words, or better still, don’t bother, ‘cos I’ve met you before and know what you’re all about, and it’s singularly unimpressive and tiresome every time.

  • @ajclements4627
    @ajclements4627 Год назад +285

    When’s the last time an atheist went door to door asking people to not read their Bible?

    • @anthonyharty1732
      @anthonyharty1732 Год назад +20

      Probably NEVER!!!!!

    • @themplar
      @themplar Год назад +19

      Oh. I do that every Sunday morning 06:00. But thats probably because i am in the inner circl....... i cant even write this with a straight face.

    • @firmak2
      @firmak2 Год назад

      Well closedt thing was Stalinism.

    • @John.0z
      @John.0z Год назад +14

      @@firmak2 That was far more Stalin transferring the old religion of Russia into the cult of Stalinism and it's implicit reign of terror - which had nothing much to do with the writings of Karl Marx.

    • @firmak2
      @firmak2 Год назад +1

      @@John.0z i was specifically referring to his closure of churches and general banning of religious services.

  • @teufellhunden
    @teufellhunden Год назад +93

    If you generically describe the teachings of Jesus, every conservative would call it woke

    • @kidslovesatan34
      @kidslovesatan34 Год назад +17

      Jesus seemed to be a kind fellow and a Proto socialist in stark contrast to many of his adherents.

    • @jonnaking3054
      @jonnaking3054 Год назад +18

      True, Jesus was definitely not a conservative nor a Republican lol

    • @OfficialSeth
      @OfficialSeth Год назад +5

      The dude gave people free healthcare and free food, opposed banks and wanted rich people to sell all of their possessions and give to the poor. If Jesus showed up out of the blue the right would probably try to crucify him live on Fox News.

    • @Gambit0590
      @Gambit0590 Год назад

      @@cajunking5987 you're just a useful idiot

    • @boblangford5514
      @boblangford5514 Год назад +7

      @@cajunking5987 So what? Good for you. It’s okay to not be the norm.

  • @dalecs47
    @dalecs47 3 месяца назад +6

    This is what religious people are afraid to say out loud: “Believe in my God, listen to what I say, do what I tell you to do, never question me, love who I tell you to love and hate who I tell you to hate. Give me your money."

  • @rabbakahn
    @rabbakahn Год назад +86

    The minute I hear someone say you are woke is the minute I know that they are not worth listening to.

    • @sweetsummerrain8086
      @sweetsummerrain8086 Год назад +1

      @@cajunking5987 You're an idiot ... and a troll. Go away.

    • @Bingbangboompowwham
      @Bingbangboompowwham Год назад +9

      @@cajunking5987If you regard the historical context of the word, it’s meaning was much more focused and specific than the way in which angry conservatives use it now. And since conservatives do not know what it means, it is impossible to know what they mean when they use it. In fact, it is now a seldom-uttered word in liberal circles for that reason. Kind of like how slang stops being cool once older adults start using it.

    • @Bingbangboompowwham
      @Bingbangboompowwham Год назад +11

      @@cajunking5987 If someone is complaining about wokeness they are merely saying “bad thing is bad” without ever explaining what it is or why it’s bad. In other words, not worth listening to.

    • @darrellvice2010
      @darrellvice2010 Год назад +2

      ​@@cajunking5987 the term "woke" has always been progressive. It's use started in the civil rights movement. Wtf are you talking about?

    • @darrellvice2010
      @darrellvice2010 Год назад +2

      ​@@cajunking5987 here is a pop quiz question for you. So you know where the term "redneck" originated?

  • @slimjim227
    @slimjim227 Год назад +176

    Two smartly dressed young men came to my door the other day, white shirt, tie, dark trousers. One of thelm handed me a leaflet but when I opened it, it was blank! I said to him, ‘there’s nothing in here, it’s blank’, ‘yes I know’ he replied, ‘we’re atheists’.

    • @joshsheridan9511
      @joshsheridan9511 Год назад +8

      HA, HA

    • @holgerlubotzki3469
      @holgerlubotzki3469 Год назад +1

      The same people called on Joseph Smith. He took the paper and wrote a whole load of made up bullshit on it!

    • @DissedRedEngie
      @DissedRedEngie Год назад +20

      I need to gather a group to do this during april fools.

    • @kyleb8117
      @kyleb8117 Год назад +31

      Them: "Have you heard the good word about our Lord and Savior?"
      You: "No."
      Them: "Yeah, me neither. You'd think we'd have heard something by now. In this day and age, God could at least send an e-mail or something. I'm not asking for stone slabs, here."

    • @kyleb8117
      @kyleb8117 Год назад +14

      @Michelle cool story bro

  • @JonInCanada1
    @JonInCanada1 Год назад +83

    I have an Ma in Theology and am an atheist. A friend of mine asked why I have such a degree, to which I answered: "to combat ignorance, you first have to understand its genesis"...and yes, I purposely used that word. As to how I became an atheist, simply put: I read the Bible. I've also read the Talmud & Torah and the Qu'ran and found them equally amusing. Also have a Ma in Physics, so logic is a key component to my scholarship when dealing with religion.
    Also, atheism is a religion the same way abstinence is a sex position.

    • @JonInCanada1
      @JonInCanada1 Год назад +3

      @heatherpetersen6189 The combat religion quote are my own words, but feel to use them if needs be. Now if you're talking about the abstinence quote, that is from Bill Maher.

    • @thunkjunk
      @thunkjunk Год назад

      So you agree that if all woman are female then it is not logically possible for a male to be a woman...

    • @adrianofmars
      @adrianofmars 11 месяцев назад

      This!!! Sadly to combat ignorance you have to know where it comes from the source. That’s why majority of my recommendations on RUclips are from right wingers. It’s such a pain to have to listen to their 💩💩💩 but you have to know what you go up against

    • @whenimmanicimgodly4228
      @whenimmanicimgodly4228 9 месяцев назад

      ​@@adrianofmarssame except the opposite, I study left wingers to take down their dumb ideological views rhe same way I study religion to argue against dumb religious views

    • @Reece-Mincher3601
      @Reece-Mincher3601 9 месяцев назад

      Get a load of this guy who thinks the concept of 'God' is bound to a book 😂

  • @petereitano6292
    @petereitano6292 Год назад +77

    I love his statement, "You guys have the woke stuff and we have Jesus." As if the Bible doesn't paint Jesus as the king of woke (adj, having or marked by an active awareness of systemic injustices and prejudices, especially those involving the treatment of ethnic, racial, or sexual minorities).

    • @Riverrockphotos
      @Riverrockphotos 10 месяцев назад +5

      There a lot of Christians now saying they don't want to hear about Jesus because he was woke. If this ends god for all time its a good thing.

    • @lucylane7397
      @lucylane7397 10 месяцев назад +5

      The original hippy

    • @marcelamarques6774
      @marcelamarques6774 8 месяцев назад +5

      For conservatives anything that isn't white, cisgender, and hetero is automatically woke.

    • @thehappydaddo
      @thehappydaddo 7 месяцев назад +4

      And he offered free health care 😂

  • @CausalityLoop
    @CausalityLoop Год назад +61

    I also think those "Jesus loves you" signs are incredibly hateful. Because the missing line after that is, "and if you don't love him back, you'll pay for it."

    • @henrysantos942
      @henrysantos942 Год назад +1

      How in the world did i end up with the ability to choose?

    • @chadrasmussen1154
      @chadrasmussen1154 Год назад +2

      Dude you guys are so ignorant no one gets punished for not loving jesus it's only if you never repent and change your heart twords god get it right also I saw jesus he is real bro I love him

    • @chadrasmussen1154
      @chadrasmussen1154 Год назад

      It's not just loving him it's obeying him and turning from sin

    • @gabethe1st6834
      @gabethe1st6834 Год назад

      ​@@chadrasmussen1154 How about you stop chasing these people? Don't just spread your belief like it's a disease. You're also trying to manipulate others into thinking that "Jesus loves you" or other similar stuff. Keep your belief up to you, not others. If you continue doing this, you are no other but a manipulator and forcing people to join your religion. It's a disgusting behaviour. I recommend you stopping it so that you wouldn't get into arguments like these.

    • @marcdc6809
      @marcdc6809 Год назад +3

      Jesus is god's 'flying monkey'...

  • @halwasserman7905
    @halwasserman7905 Год назад +51

    We all have our crazy beliefs? So the caller is acknowledging his beliefs are crazy? It seems like Jay is more interested in attacking the "woke" left than defending his religious beliefs. I think he called the wrong show.

  • @VashTS7
    @VashTS7 Год назад +135

    “You are woke and I have Jebus” that was an argument trap and they didn’t fall for it! Nice job!

    • @weekim3974
      @weekim3974 Год назад +32

      Isn't it not ironic that the caller is labeling woke in a negative term, but wouldn't Jesus be the most woke person to exist since he wants peace, love, feed the poor, etc?

    • @ilonachan
      @ilonachan Год назад

      ​@@weekim3974 yes by the Right's official definition of "belief that there are systemic issues that should be addressed" (i.e. the concept of politics), but by the nazi logic it's just everything they don't like. See also: Cultural Marxism (/Bolshevism).

    • @gerritvalkering1068
      @gerritvalkering1068 Год назад +3

      a funny, if provocative reply would have been "Since I'm not woke, does this mean you're an atheist?"

    • @glenngriffon8032
      @glenngriffon8032 Год назад +6

      "You have jesus? Where? In your basement? Is he okay? Do you let him out to see the sun? Oh my graces you keep him with the gimp!"

    • @maxrichards3881
      @maxrichards3881 Год назад +2

      @@weekim3974
      Yeah. Christians really don’t understand any part of their theology.

  • @cosmai23
    @cosmai23 Год назад +18

    “You are woke.” The new blanket insult that covers everything someone doesn’t like.

  • @dave9242
    @dave9242 Год назад +178

    I had someone tell me that Jesus loves me yesterday. I laughed and said "He has a funny way of showing it". The look I got was one of confusion and disgust.

    • @scottdavis3571
      @scottdavis3571 Год назад

      You were just "othered". Religion is extremely nationalistic and violent. I just ignore them and get on my way. The last 7 years has told me enough....

    • @2006glg
      @2006glg Год назад +14

      One morning, I went to work and that morning it was raining something horrible.A coworker said to me "He's doing what he wants with this weather, huh?" She smiled.
      I knew it was just innocent small talk but my immediate response was "Who you talking about??" She pointed upwards as if to say the man upstairs, to which I said "I'm not so sure about that. It's just raining to me."

    • @scottdavis3571
      @scottdavis3571 Год назад +7

      @@2006glg My first impulse is to let it go, and say nothing. But, sometimes I say something like that, too. It's getting shoved at us harder and it gets irritating.

    • @chadrasmussen1154
      @chadrasmussen1154 Год назад +1

      Pretty much you just hate jesus and I'll never understand why

    • @scottdavis3571
      @scottdavis3571 Год назад +18

      @@chadrasmussen1154 You can't hate what doesn't exist. What if I said that you "just hate Santa Claus and I'll never understand why?"

  • @ditzydoodle8381
    @ditzydoodle8381 Год назад +62

    It's funny cause as an Atheist I've never randomly walked up to a person and told them god isn't real; but I've been approached a dozen times by random strangers telling me jesus is returning and I'd better be ready - even though I never met them, never made eye contact, they just waltz right up, knock on the door, or even leave pamphlets and hand them to me while I'm at work. It's pretty damned annoying.

    • @walternullifidian
      @walternullifidian Год назад +7

      I usually just tell those people that I don't believe in human sacrifice. 👀

    • @marcdc6809
      @marcdc6809 Год назад +6

      @@walternullifidian that's something I tell people that insist that I shouldn't confuse the old testament and the new testament... god raped a woman and gave the child up to be tortured and killed on a cross... that's the storyline of the new testament.

    • @HarbingerOfBattle
      @HarbingerOfBattle Год назад +1

      I had some scientologists try to distribute flyers at work during the pandemic. I talked to the boss and he flat out told me to get them out. I have never done anything for my boss with so much joy. Despite the fact that he is a born again Christian and knows I’m an atheist, he has the strength of character to understand that religion has no place at work.

    • @EricBlatz-x5c
      @EricBlatz-x5c 4 месяца назад

      It's love to warn people whether they see it or not I'm sorry if you feel Harassed but it's true it's better for someone to warn you or not at least just one sometimes it annoyes me to even as a Christian when I've already know that but I'm grateful that I know I understand when you hear it so many times when you already know but there are other people that need to know to but out of love we should warn people out of respect and a caring heart ❤️

    • @EbonyPope
      @EbonyPope 2 месяца назад

      Yet this whole channel talks just about God. I'm agnostic. But if God was Valkai's Ex I would tell him he's obsessed. It's just incredible how atheists despise religion and then unironically go on to talk about nothing else.

  • @lukewojtanowicz1991
    @lukewojtanowicz1991 Год назад +36

    Jesus loves you so much he wants to have an abusive relationship with you.

    • @SilverSlugs16
      @SilverSlugs16 3 месяца назад

      The Bible really is just the abuser’s manual 101

  • @stratahawk_1
    @stratahawk_1 Год назад +20

    That goalpost moved so far I wondered if I needed a passport halfway through that discussion

  • @highdough2712
    @highdough2712 Год назад +51

    The perfect example of someone who is not just not intellectually curious, but on the other end of the scale.

  • @spocksvulcanbrain
    @spocksvulcanbrain Год назад +111

    The fact that Forrest said to make it safe for atheists to "come out" to their family says everything you need to know. What if the religious had to "come out" that they believed and got the same reaction that atheists do today? Why does Jay keep going off on "woke?" What's the point?

    • @logicalmuslim1590
      @logicalmuslim1590 Год назад

      It happens.

    • @CyreniTheMage
      @CyreniTheMage Год назад +18

      @@logicalmuslim1590
      Not to the same extent.

    • @IdiotDoomSpiral69
      @IdiotDoomSpiral69 Год назад +41

      @@logicalmuslim1590 In which part of the world are religious people regularly disowned by their atheist families, or barred from office due to their religiosity, or have violence committed against them by atheists?

    • @andylavs2605
      @andylavs2605 Год назад +18

      I never really got what point Jay was trying to make. He just sounded very ignorant and confused. Used words that he clearly didn't understand.

    • @liberalhere3731
      @liberalhere3731 Год назад +13

      @@andylavs2605 He was just pushing the "we're always right, you're always wrong" meme.

  • @huffpappy
    @huffpappy Год назад +474

    It is always fun to ask right wingers what exactly "woke" means to them. Jesus would definitely have fit most of their definitions of woke. How ironic is that?

    • @colinellicott9737
      @colinellicott9737 Год назад +7

      Yeh, just came back from the UK where 'woke' is the bucket all right-wingers put any complaint made by any minority group, where they heap scorn and ridicule upon the group, in their smug condescending entitled way.

    • @creativewriter3887
      @creativewriter3887 Год назад +5

      Whenever an a-moral xian is confronted by people who advocate for science, biology, facts and advocate for the rights of ALL people, they default to this "woke" term.. as if it's a dirty term.. and it IS dirty to them.. it lays bear their patriarchal, stone-aged bullsh-t and how they want to strip rights of others (starting with women) and impose a theocrazy theocracy.

    • @OfficialSeth
      @OfficialSeth Год назад +100

      It's like asking them to explain CRT. They become a deer in headlights.

    • @justanotheropinion5832
      @justanotheropinion5832 Год назад +74

      @@cajunking5987 pandering=woke? Can you give an example?

    • @TheMahayanist
      @TheMahayanist Год назад +61

      @@cajunking5987 Well that's idiosyncratic. Most conservatives mean anything promoting freedom for those people is woke.

  • @mickberry164
    @mickberry164 9 месяцев назад +7

    Atheism is not a belief. It's a lack of belief.

  • @shrews12001
    @shrews12001 Год назад +89

    Because if people do awful things and treat people like shit because the Easter Bunny says it's ok I'm going to make sure to remind them as often as possible that the Easter Bunny isnt fucking real.

    • @derkylos
      @derkylos Год назад +11

      That seems to be the goal here. "I'm not saying you're an icky person and that it's ok for me to hurt you, my god is saying that. I'm just doing what my god tells me to." Like, grow a spine and admit that it's YOU that hates rather than hiding behind your imaginary friend. Then again, if they did that, people could just point at them and say "you're a bad person" and we all know that no one wants to see themselves as the evil guy.

    • @valivali8104
      @valivali8104 Год назад

      @@derkylos unfortunally some theists have been abused so badly that they don’t trust their own thinking and empathy or genuinely believe that their punching bags are threats 😔 but most of hateful theists do hide behind their imaginary friend and have bad reasons to hate - like homophobes having sexual self-esteem issues.

    • @jondorr4011
      @jondorr4011 Год назад +3

      @@derkylos even then when someone says it's there God is telling them to do regardless of whether or not they hate what their God tells them to hate it's a flimsy excuse seeing as how we've decided as a global society that "just following orders." is not a valid justification for doing things.

    • @jacksimpson-rogers1069
      @jacksimpson-rogers1069 Год назад +1

      @@jondorr4011 Alfred, Lord Tennyson's poem about the Charge of the Light Brigade praises them for "just following orders". I think if I checked I'd find that helped him get the peerage.

    • @jondorr4011
      @jondorr4011 Год назад

      @@jacksimpson-rogers1069 That may be. However the difference is that the Charge of the light brigade is about romanticizing charging to certain death on lawful orders from a superior officer which is not contrary to the laws of war. Carrying out the wholesale murder of people for whatever reason on the orders of a superior are not lawful and are not to be obeyed and you can be prosecuted for carrying them out.

  • @beardedpanda5086
    @beardedpanda5086 Год назад +97

    I do love how the right has become so triggered by the word woke. Simply put its defined as being knowledgeable about current social issues whether that be around the world or within your own country.
    The fact that these conservatives are so opposed to knowledge is very telling.
    Good on both of you for your patience and attempts at reasoning to have a genuine conversation.

    • @wprandall2452
      @wprandall2452 Год назад

      Are you nuts? 'Woke' is being brainwashed by the Left. They demand that you follow their indoctrination.

    • @NiglyasHoge
      @NiglyasHoge Год назад +3

      I am so fucking woke.

    • @jh7589
      @jh7589 Год назад

      Wokeness is brain rot. A disease. Attention seeking via virtue signalling.

  • @montythebugman6308
    @montythebugman6308 Год назад +208

    Christy needs to be on more often. He crushed poor Jay with reason and intelligence and yet was so friendly about it. The smile never left his face as he continuously sliced through the density of Jay's positions with his 'logic' knife.

    • @matthewweng8483
      @matthewweng8483 Год назад +8

      Oh, Forrest totally baited him in with the 'Jesus loves you is hateful' comment... so well played.

    • @Fogdiver69
      @Fogdiver69 Год назад +5

      @@technic4803 sounds fake.

    • @Fogdiver69
      @Fogdiver69 Год назад +10

      @@technic4803 I'm skeptical about magic being real.

    • @krwawyrzeznik
      @krwawyrzeznik Год назад +3

      @Technic GB? Don't know what Great Britain has to do with any of that

    • @gaminggeckos4388
      @gaminggeckos4388 Год назад +7

      @Technic And why, exactly, is there such a specific requirement for being saved? How is it morally justified for a tri-omni entity to refuse to save anyone who does not meet these requirements?

  • @TheLoveSignGuy
    @TheLoveSignGuy 10 месяцев назад +14

    The caller totally revealed how he actually feels when he said that he finds atheist repulsive.
    Thanks, Christian dude

  • @CassieAngelica
    @CassieAngelica Год назад +48

    So, they get to tell us whatever they like, but we can’t respond in a similar fashion? I’m sorry, that’s not how this works.

    • @denverarnold6210
      @denverarnold6210 Год назад +4

      Sad part is, that's how it used to be (and in many places still is). Until we invented the right of free speech, people could straight up be put to death for blasphemy and heresy.
      Never forget, as much as religion is trying to claw us back to the dark age, that we have made, and can still make, so much progress as a society.

    • @CassieAngelica
      @CassieAngelica Год назад +2

      @@denverarnold6210 good point. Due to constant debates with all these nut-jobs, I sometimes forget that the majority of people in the world are actually smart and decent in many aspects.

    • @denverarnold6210
      @denverarnold6210 Год назад +2

      @@CassieAngelica I think most people are good, or at worst apathetic; so we should avoid painting with too broad a brush when one's views are, shall we say, less than empathetic, and they can credit them explicitly to their religion.

    • @CassieAngelica
      @CassieAngelica Год назад +1

      @@denverarnold6210 agreed.=)

    • @stevepierce6467
      @stevepierce6467 Год назад +2

      @@denverarnold6210 You have hit on the main reason I comment on these threads.

  • @spacebass007
    @spacebass007 Год назад +43

    This caller is the reason we need more shows like this. I live in Louisiana and this is how a majority of people sound everyday. We have a senator that doesnt believe in evolution. It's sad. However some are discovering logic and reason. I was raised christian. My daughter has been raised with no fear of the thousands of gods that mankind has made up over the years. The results so far are absolutley amazing. She is is more mature than most adults in this area. I can see the fears I grew uo with clearer because she has none of those fears. She is free to explore with an open mind and can quickly call out bs. She loves science and doesnt understand how people can believe in what they do with what we know about now days. You can do a lot of experiments at home to prove it. We love the better side of you tube. We love you guys, Matt,AronRa, & miss Christopher H. Keep up the good work. Much love. I dont consider myself woke btw. Just a humble human being that would love to see everyone come together, feed all the hungry, and house all the homeless.

    • @thunkjunk
      @thunkjunk Год назад

      Logic are reason don't let men become women. It is not logically possible for a male to be a woman.

  • @joshuakohlmann9731
    @joshuakohlmann9731 Год назад +148

    How infuriating, to have someone lump you in with a broad category of people, tell you outright what you do and don't believe, calmly explain your position to them, only to have them completely ignore your argument and come back again with "yeah, but that's what you guys believe". All credit to these two gentlemen for keeping respectful throughout. That last line "you sound like a delightful person" was hilarious.

    • @Angelum_Band
      @Angelum_Band Год назад

      Why infuriating? Where does that anger come from? Or rather what are the elements you find so offensive?

    • @madsquishypanda2916
      @madsquishypanda2916 Год назад +26

      @@Angelum_Band They already explained their position. What's with the inane questions? It's annoying when "conversing" with a dishonest interlocutor that ignores your points and doesn't actively listen, and refuses to acknowledge points that weaken their positions.

    • @Angelum_Band
      @Angelum_Band Год назад +1

      @@madsquishypanda2916 First, did I ask you or Joshua the question? You rudely butt in with baseless acusatory questions and arguments with knowing my person, the facts and what has been spoken already.
      As an Atheist I feel ashamed of the grotesque brutality of some individuals here.

    • @Angelum_Band
      @Angelum_Band Год назад

      @@madsquishypanda2916 So since you brought my attention to you, what is the source of your anger? Are you willing to think and analyze?

    • @jayrose8638
      @jayrose8638 Год назад +11

      @@madsquishypanda2916 spot on.

  • @grahvis
    @grahvis Год назад +10

    Knock knock
    Who is there?
    Jesus, let me in
    Why do you want to come in?
    I want to save you
    What do you want to save me from?
    What I am going to do to you if you don't let me in.

  • @detailed_data4PSN
    @detailed_data4PSN Год назад +44

    Why do Christians have to constantly tell everyone you will burn in hell if you don't believe in God🤔

    • @logicalmuslim1590
      @logicalmuslim1590 Год назад +1

      I think they do believe it and some sincerely want to warn but why would a person who doesn't believe in hell be worried?
      I do not know who God will forgive or of what God will forgive them.
      I cannot threaten anyone with hellfire.

    • @Draegoron
      @Draegoron Год назад +19

      Because that's their silver bullet. They want people to be scared.

    • @grahvis
      @grahvis Год назад +17

      Without fear, few would bother with a belief in God. Belief in the existence of Jesus confers no advantage in itself.

    • @boblangford5514
      @boblangford5514 Год назад

      @@logicalmuslim1590 People who don’t believe do not fear Hell. However, sometimes, the Christian indoctrination that took me decades to climb out of creeps back in and I briefly fear or have worrisome feelings of “what if?” This happens maybe once a year, for about 15 seconds. It usually creeps up on me unexpectedly, and I would say it’s a feeling similar to deja vu - something kinda uneasy and familiar that puzzles or worries you. At least, that’s my experience. Sorry if I didn’t describe it very well.

    • @MrMarcusIndia
      @MrMarcusIndia Год назад +6

      @@logicalmuslim1590
      We aren't worried about it.
      But other people fall for this superstitious claptrap.
      Hence it needs to be fought.

  • @jeaniebottle6758
    @jeaniebottle6758 Год назад +52

    "Why Do Atheists Need To Tell People God Isn't Real All The Time?"
    To help make the world be a nicer place to live & help those who have been taught to hate others through religion, find truth in reality & in loves ultimate meaning, to be wonderful to each other. Now building heaven on Earth rather than thinking of a magical here-after only obtained by a few...
    Something like this maybe?🤔

    • @mistylover7398
      @mistylover7398 Год назад

      Wonder if your actually right and worth it anymore to praise such a god. Even 🦄🟣 is more believable than Bible gawd. Isn't God actually EVIL? Megatron is LORD

    • @violent_bebop9687
      @violent_bebop9687 Год назад +1

      Sounds like a lot of good intentions there, how ironic it's the road to hell.

    • @chriswebster839
      @chriswebster839 Год назад +5

      @@violent_bebop9687 hell is the stick to the carrot of heaven in the fairytale book that is the Bible. There's zero valid evidence that either of them exist.

    • @violent_bebop9687
      @violent_bebop9687 Год назад

      @@chriswebster839 hell exists dude, see it here every day

    • @DrMonty-yr1kc
      @DrMonty-yr1kc Год назад

      @@violent_bebop9687 So the actual hell after death doesnt exist? Gotcha

  • @kristiantjomsland7745
    @kristiantjomsland7745 Год назад +35

    I'm so glad I live in Scandinavia! Here in Norway less than 50% have any religious belives at all and less than 20% are practicing religion.

    • @chromolitho
      @chromolitho Год назад +2

      Here in Portland Oregon we have similarly good statistics.

    • @gloriaf6971
      @gloriaf6971 Год назад +4

      Norway sounds like a really good place to live!!

  • @nuclearsimian3281
    @nuclearsimian3281 10 месяцев назад +6

    Being woke is literally what Jesus fucking advocated for, to respect everyone, to not hurt anyone, to not retaliate if they hurt you, forgive, let bygones be bygones, let the sojourner stay with you, respect the foreigner.

  • @krisaaron5771
    @krisaaron5771 Год назад +195

    I hear a touch of panic in Jay's voice when he accuses Forest -- and atheists in general -- of confusing gender with sex. He seems intimidated, as if once-solid ground is shifting under his feet and his only defense is to verbally insult anyone who doesn't agree with his beliefs.
    Jay, it's okay, you're safe. Your sexuality isn't under attack by the "woke" -- or anyone else.

    • @ToHoldNothing
      @ToHoldNothing Год назад +37

      The defensive tone is likely because they subconsciously realize they are suffering from cognitive dissonance and don't want to confront it consciously

    • @boblangford5514
      @boblangford5514 Год назад +11

      @@cajunking5987 What is a solid statement?

    • @comrade-princesscelestia4907
      @comrade-princesscelestia4907 Год назад +4

      You know what, fuck it. As a card carrying member of the woke mob, I *am* going to attack Jay's sexuality. Not everyone with that sexuality, just his.

    • @CycocelVocalist
      @CycocelVocalist Год назад +2

      *oooOOOHH no No No!*

    • @CycocelVocalist
      @CycocelVocalist Год назад +4

      🤣

  • @pmtoner9852
    @pmtoner9852 Год назад +238

    Learning biology from Matt Walsh is never a good look.

    • @catborg780
      @catborg780 Год назад +57

      Learning anything from him isn't good. If he told me the sky was blue I go outside to double check.

    • @OfficialSeth
      @OfficialSeth Год назад +2

      Meanwhile people like that will harass cis women for using the women's bathroom because they think they're trans.

    • @JayMaverick
      @JayMaverick Год назад

      @@cajunking5987 and biology. Based maybe, but guy seems like an idiot.

    • @StolenPw
      @StolenPw Год назад +34

      @@cajunking5987 Based like a raw chicken

    • @scottc1857
      @scottc1857 Год назад +2

      @@cajunking5987 this is why it sucks being an atheist sometimes lol.
      Most people assume all atheists are rabid lefties who accept the rest of "the agenda" when in reality some of us have just read the Bible and been like lol well that's stupid!
      All without then piling into the clown car of the rest of the positions certain people want desperately to convince you the overwhelming majority of people believe and support...
      The funny thing about the Christians vs woke atheists hating each other so much is that sane Normal people can't stand either of them and both groups are willing to get bloody to force you into accepting their brand of insanity

  • @benjamindover5676
    @benjamindover5676 Год назад +20

    At least as Atheists, we won't die fearing an imaginary Hell.

    • @marcdc6809
      @marcdc6809 Год назад

      a humble 'I don't know' and a kind 'nobody goes to anybody else's hell'.

    • @benjamindover5676
      @benjamindover5676 Год назад

      @@marcdc6809 I know for sure.
      Nature doesn't suspend the laws of the universe just for the whims of an invisible magic Sky Daddy.
      And certainly not the god of that silly bible.
      There is ZERO chance that immoral nonsense is real.

  • @Sarappreciates
    @Sarappreciates Год назад +11

    I'm an atheist with stage 4 cancer. I don't mind when people say they'll pray for me, but it irks me that prayers and tithing supersede donating to more research toward finding a cure. Never been a single recorded case of prayer curing cancer, so if you really wanna help... And that's why I'm vocal about my non-faith.

    • @jszlauko
      @jszlauko Год назад +2

      Sorry to hear about your condition. But yeah, you're right in that it's so obvious praying for someone else is useless, and yet people still do it, and what makes it worse is that they really think it works!

    • @Sarappreciates
      @Sarappreciates Год назад

      @@jszlauko I feel like "I'll pray for you" is what you say to someone who you can't help, like there's nothing you can do for that person, so you do this Hail Mary for them, I get that. But there IS something they could do that would help way more than prayer, whether it's spreading the word or donating to research, there are things we can do to actually help, so "I'll pray for you" falls just a little flat especially for some cancer patients with medical bills up to their ears!

    • @jszlauko
      @jszlauko Год назад +1

      @@Sarappreciates - True, that the people who say I”lol pray for you” at least shows they have compassion, but you’re right in that there are so many other things they could do that CAN actually help, like taking up donations, or seeking out the right doctor. Imagine instead of having 100 people gathered and praying, they instead each donate $100. Now you’ve got $10,000 to help with the bills! Sure beats having the useless prayers which only makes the people doing the praying feel better about themselves!

    • @Mehki227
      @Mehki227 7 месяцев назад +2

      Praying is the least someone can do; that's why for our brother, we went threw his tons of mail, mowed his lawn, took him to his appointments, put together a binder to track all Doctors, meds, and treatments, cleaned his house, ran his errands, helped him apply for medical and disability income benefits, etc, rather that standing around and praying and sending him useless tots SMH 🤷🏽‍♀️ pears🤷🏽‍♀️

    • @Sarappreciates
      @Sarappreciates 7 месяцев назад

      @@Mehki227 That's true love. The priceless COMFORT of action is what that word "love" really means. Love is a VERB, not a noun. More than something we feel, to love is something we DO.

  • @MinaOmega
    @MinaOmega Год назад +23

    Man, I really enjoy win Forrest Val Kai is on. He reads everyone with a smile. Treats everyone like they are capable of understanding what he's about to say, and yet speaks in a way that makes it easy for anyone no matter how hard it is for them to understand it to get it. That's a gift. As is his constant joyfulness. I've only ever seen him really pissed off two or three times said that man has reason to be angry when he comes grumpy about something. He's just such a delight to listen to. His enthusiasm is always contagious.

    • @nightlydrugs6927
      @nightlydrugs6927 8 месяцев назад +1

      He does get pissed off, and it’s usually still fun and educational to watch lol.

  • @susanbland6790
    @susanbland6790 Год назад +57

    As a 60 year atheist that identifies as a woman I say it's about time we start screaming from the roof tops that God does not exist. Here in North America the religious right feel empowered to spread their myth and although they are a minority they are gaining strength.
    If we do not speak up we will once again find ourselves hiding our disbelief for fear of purscusion.
    For most of my life I have quietly kept my beliefs (sorry disbelief) to myself, trying to avoid confrontation, no more!
    We live in the 21st century and if we want to make it to the 22nd we must stop expecting that a mythical creature will save us.

    • @martinkuliza
      @martinkuliza Год назад +3

      First of all "As a 60 year atheist that identifies as a woman"
      what does your sex have to do with your age, Why did you mention you were a woman ?
      in your explanation that followed, there was nothing that pertained to you being a woman or that relied on us knowing you are a women
      it was weird to say that, Just saying
      Secondly " I say it's about time we start screaming from the roof tops that God does not exist."
      i get what you're saying, but.. YOU DON'T KNOW IF HE EXISTS, none of us do.
      so as wrong as it is for a christian to say that he does exist
      it is equally wrong for you to say definitively that he doesn't exist
      as wrong as it is for a christian to "spread the word" It is equally wrong for you to shout it from the roof tops
      i get where you are coming from though, BUT YOU ARE COMING FROM A POSITION OF FRUSTRATION, which is not a good place to come from.
      so i'll give you a solution THAT IS ACTUALLY FACTUAL, and you can feel free to shout this from the rooftops if you nee an itch to scratch
      THE BIBLE IS NOT TRUTH
      THE BIBLE IS NOT GODS WORD
      I'm 49, i've been an ordained minister (now.. Technically i'm currently an ordained minister because when you are ordained you are so for life, my point being... i'm no longer with the church).
      Now.. both those statements are absolutely correct. See.. Christians believe that the bible is god's word, I'TS NOT and it's a very very easy thing to prove incorrect.
      The bible itself also teaches it is a sin to follow any other word other than the word of god, Jesus taught this and god taught this (supposedly) .
      God also taught that if you follow a word other than his own you condemn yourself to hell
      so.. you can preach that
      How easy is it to prove that... PISS EASY
      look in the bible, find the publishing company
      Call them and ask them these 2 questions
      1. Is this bible god's original word
      2. Has this bible been altered in any way from it's original wording
      See, BY LAW they have to tell you, and they'll usually answer like this
      1. No it's not his original word, it's the INSPIRED WORD of god, which means it's not gods word
      (this should be a wake up call for any christian)
      2. it has been altered but we are free to alter or change the bible legaly without any prior notification
      See.. the thing is , Legally they are obligated to tell you ADVISE YOU its' bullshit,
      so as a consumer if you buy it (and it's sold on an AS IS Basis) you are responsible for your eternity . THE LAW IS COOL HUH ? LOL
      so it's that easy to prove, just call teh company that wrote it and ask them.
      so you can shout that from the roof
      so we don't know if god exists
      we do know that jesus did exist
      but none of that matters if the bible is false
      and the bible being false has no bearing on gods reputation nor his existence
      Tackle a simpler subject first, one that people will accept easier
      THE BIBLE IS NOT GOD'S WORD, simple as that
      because from this position.... You are not telling people
      - Don't believe in god
      - Don't believe in jesus
      YOU ARE SAYING.... THAT BOOK THAT YOU HOLD IS COMPLETE BULLSHIT AND IF ANYTHING READING IT DAMNS YOU TO HELL (assuming hell exists)
      it then forces them to do this.....
      "But i still want to believe in my creator"
      GREAT.... THEN PUT YOUR BIBLE DOWN since it goes against him
      AND TALK TO HIM DIRECTLY
      Imagine this....
      A World where every person has put down the bible and knows that it's bullshit.
      but some of them have taken to talking to god and say that he is real
      Do you now see how much easier the problem is to solve
      all they would then have as proof is that they believe god is real
      so yeah go shout that from a rooftop
      but to say god doesn't exist is not a claim you can make truthfully
      but doing it my way achieves your goal in any case, doesn't it?

    • @Scientists_dont_lie
      @Scientists_dont_lie Год назад

      The only myth here is that your a woman.

    • @martinkuliza
      @martinkuliza Год назад +4

      @Michelle
      Christ wasn't buried
      He was PLACED in a tomb
      If you understand how a tomb works you'll understand the huge difference

    • @Aphex217Twin
      @Aphex217Twin Год назад +1

      what's a good reason to believe this?

    • @marcdc6809
      @marcdc6809 Год назад +1

      I'm from Europe, I think secular rule makes a society stronger, gets more people involved and willing to put in more work... so I think conservative forces trying to bring us back in the feudal times will eventually fail. The remnants are still there of course, but they'll have to adapt. Just like the Germans and English had to adapt to the French way of organising society after the French revolution... the genie is out of the bottle.

  • @jquest99
    @jquest99 Год назад +25

    Forrest saying that Jay sounds like a delightful person was just savage.🤣

  • @halwentz554
    @halwentz554 Год назад +11

    "Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.” Yoda

    • @norswil8763
      @norswil8763 Год назад

      If Yoda is in Hell, I want to go too.

    • @halwentz554
      @halwentz554 Год назад +1

      @@norswil8763 Jedi vs Satan the movie??

  • @ScornedOne1080
    @ScornedOne1080 Год назад +51

    "Woke" is conservative speak for "people who give a damn, and want to improve overall quality of living." Basically, their word for progressives, people who want to improve being alive for now and the generations to come.

    • @Ironraven001
      @Ironraven001 Год назад +9

      Woke just means "Treating people with respect."

    • @BlarglemanTheSkeptic2
      @BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 Год назад +5

      @@cajunking5987 🤦🏻

    • @Ironraven001
      @Ironraven001 Год назад +3

      @@cajunking5987 care to elaborate on that?

    • @Leszek.Rzepecki
      @Leszek.Rzepecki Год назад

      @@cajunking5987 *_most of the time it is used for people pretending to care about people’s issues for profit_* - odd, I've never heard any Republican described as "woke." Perhaps it's because they're all pretty nasty people.

    • @leyrua
      @leyrua Год назад +2

      Maybe we should just start calling out people who use the term "woke" by calling them "asleep".

  • @mercedeswalt6621
    @mercedeswalt6621 Год назад +26

    There’s just a special kind of feeling that comes from trying to have a dialogue with someone who just wants to monologue at you and have you accept it.

    • @jollygoodfellow3957
      @jollygoodfellow3957 Год назад

      Like the hosts of Talk Heathen?

    • @jayjasespud
      @jayjasespud Год назад +4

      @@jollygoodfellow3957 Start your own show and you can talk all you want.

    • @mrsatire9475
      @mrsatire9475 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@jollygoodfellow3957 ... and need a book of zombies and cannibalism to provide their monologue

  • @shanewilson7994
    @shanewilson7994 Год назад +36

    I'm really really curious what he thinks Woke is, because I rarely can get a remotely reasonable explanation of what they mean by "woke" that doesn't boil down to "oh you have empathy for others."

    • @TheMahayanist
      @TheMahayanist Год назад +10

      @@cajunking5987 I'd rather be pandered to then murdered.

    • @jaelin9107
      @jaelin9107 Год назад +2

      @@TheMahayanist well, yeah, I guess the other order wouldn't work so well, would it.

    • @Black-1790
      @Black-1790 Год назад +1

      @@cajunking5987 You're so full of crap, I can smell you through the laptop.

    • @punkrockeris666
      @punkrockeris666 Год назад +2

      Woke, in Jay's mind and many others': "A person who is bad because they want me to lose all the privileges I think I have because I support the rich and conservative that would make my life better because of trickle-down economics"

    • @ahh_yes_mr_bax
      @ahh_yes_mr_bax Год назад

      @@cajunking5987 yep. There is a reason why you give consistent definitions with zero valid examples. Woke is just something that hurts conservative minded people’s feelings. Thats why while their definitions will be consistent, their whining about something being “woke” isnt.
      Lunatics will define it to seem like they are just calling out corporations changing their logo to a rainbow while financially supporting anti lgbt groups (

  • @77gravity
    @77gravity Год назад +9

    Ah, that closing comment "You have a fun day, you sound like a delightful person" - I doubt the caller had ANY idea of how hard he just got slapped. Beautiful, thanks Forrest.

  • @DaninVirginia
    @DaninVirginia Год назад +76

    Love it Christy! Caller: “you guys just don’t like the truth!” Christy: “as soon as you bring me some… So quick! Well said.

    • @DaninVirginia
      @DaninVirginia Год назад

      @user-se6oh4sj5u Cool.

    • @jacksimpson-rogers1069
      @jacksimpson-rogers1069 Год назад +2

      @Michelle When I worked foe IBM programming for System/360 computers, the printers only had upper case.
      Nowadays it is regarded as *_Shouting_* . If Jesus had died for our sins, he'd still be dead, that's what dying means. Most atheists have read enough of the Bible to consider it anything from erroneous to downright wicked *_LIES._*

  • @BruceCarroll
    @BruceCarroll Год назад +67

    Forrest: Sex and gender are not the same thing.
    Jay: Then why do you treat them like the same thing?
    Me: Were you listening, Jay?

    • @FakingANerve
      @FakingANerve Год назад +3

      The peanut gallery: No!

    • @FakingANerve
      @FakingANerve Год назад +13

      @@technic4803 Harry Potter and The Deathly Hallow 6:64 - 66 "And Harry did lust after Hermione, but conceal his lust in his furious thrusting, alone in his chamber and lo did he nightly practice his spells, perfecting the forbidden beateentosockium."

    • @BruceCarroll
      @BruceCarroll Год назад +3

      @@technic4803 Mentions neither sex nor gender.

    • @FakingANerve
      @FakingANerve Год назад +5

      @user-se6oh4sj5u ...ACCORDING TO YOUR BOOK, WHICH I DON'T FIND IN THE LEAST BIT CONVINCING. WHY ARE WE YELLING?!

    • @BruceCarroll
      @BruceCarroll Год назад +6

      @user-se6oh4sj5u Yeah, I know the claims of the Bible. And Thor eliminated all the Frost Giants. Also, an eternity singing praises to a genocidal, homophobic monster sounds like Hell.

  • @XPISigmaArt
    @XPISigmaArt Год назад +24

    Hearing the background laughter fills me with such joy. You know it's real once the giggles happen.

  • @barrymalpas4901
    @barrymalpas4901 9 месяцев назад +15

    I have been atheist for about 65 years. But, as I grew up, I learned not to discuss these ideas in public because of the harassment and occasional physical abuse that I received from time to time from others, usually "Christians". I enjoy the fact that intelligent and logical discussion is now available on the Internet.

    • @Reece-Mincher3601
      @Reece-Mincher3601 9 месяцев назад +1

      Barry that is awful to hear, I'm 25 and know the LORD; for you to go 65 Godless years because of some bad apples is genuinely pitiful, I'm sorry to hear that 😔

    • @samuelmerkel2888
      @samuelmerkel2888 9 месяцев назад

      I find this interesting. I could absolutely believe there was a time where this is true. However, now the opposite is becoming more true. Those with religious beliefs are now the ones who are forced to begin not expressing their beliefs in public, for fear of social outcast, employment issues, and even physical harm occasionally.
      We should all be kind

    • @samuelbrown3405
      @samuelbrown3405 9 месяцев назад

      ​@@Reece-Mincher3601hey, real quick. What is the second part of the "bad apples" aphorism? If you don't know, you should look it up.

    • @Gerryjournal
      @Gerryjournal 7 месяцев назад +1

      Must be American

    • @Gerryjournal
      @Gerryjournal 7 месяцев назад

      ​@Reece-Mincher3601 oh palease

  • @laxpaint
    @laxpaint Год назад +28

    Always ask the follow-up question “what does woke mean?”

    • @bokoura
      @bokoura Год назад +1

      In this context: A progressive or leftist position perceived as overzealous, performative, or insincere. Hope that cleared it up for you. Now tell me what woman means.

    • @canwelook
      @canwelook Год назад +10

      @bokoura Got it. Being regressive, you define everyone more progressive as necessarily overzealous, performative or insincere.
      So woke to you is just a lazy, meaningless slur.
      And looking up the meaning of words in a dictionary is too big an ask for you.

    • @bokoura
      @bokoura Год назад

      @@canwelook Tell me something: if you hadn't eaten breakfast yesterday morning, how would you have felt?

    • @canwelook
      @canwelook Год назад +1

      @@bokoura I feel energetic when I fast. What is your point?

    • @bokoura
      @bokoura Год назад

      @@canwelook Just wanted to make sure you met the bare minimum IQ high threshold to be worth responding to before I did.
      Anyway, I don't see all leftist positions as overzealous, performative, or insincere, nor did I give any indication I do. It's also not meaningless because I stated the meaning clearly. Do you actually have anything intelligent to add or are you just gonna throw around more baseless accusations?

  • @wax99
    @wax99 Год назад +28

    When people make this kind of argument what they're really saying is that they don't want to change their 5th grade understanding of biology because they feel comfortable holding on to what they were taught 20 years ago.

    • @godsire6217
      @godsire6217 Год назад +3

      A fifth grader is smarter than this caller.

    • @brandonman1315
      @brandonman1315 Год назад +1

      @@godsire6217 All fifth graders are smarter than this man.

  • @brooktu4249
    @brooktu4249 Год назад +16

    It never occurred to me that the statement "Jesus loves you." is a terrible thing to say. As a long time Atheist, and former Catholic/fundie-Baptist, I just thought it was a miserably stupid and conceited thing to say. But, Forrest is quite right, and I'm going to shape my responses to the Theists who haunt my local area accordingly. Thank you Christy and Forrest. Also, Jay isn't hearing you guys at all. He didn't call to learn anything. He called to tell you he's right, despite your experiences and qualifications.

  • @tancred12
    @tancred12 Год назад +9

    Your guys' exposure and willingness to talk openly, intelligently, and logically about theism and its downfalls has been one of the biggest pieces of my deconstruction, and I appreciate you all immensely. I was always an atheist, but I never really knew I was until last year since religion was shoved down my throat since I was born. Atheism does have a horrible stigma for most people, so it's really great to see people showing how atheists actually are and helping remove that stigma. I recently felt comfortable enough to tell my mother that I'm atheist, and she was last on my list for many reasons. That comfortability was solely based on you guys and your show, so thank you, and keep doing what you're doing! I've learned more about theism and atheism in the last few months that I've been watch you guys than I ever learned in church growing up. ❤

  • @kimsland999
    @kimsland999 Год назад +16

    A Father allowing his children to blindly walk into a burning building, and doesn't do anything to stop it (physically, not poetic words) Is called child neglect and NOT love!
    The caller doesn't understand that?
    Plus a bridge creator, would be horrifically immoral if he destroyed his bridge with ppl on it, because he felt they weren't crossing it the right way!
    That would be worse than criminal, it would be monstrous.

    • @FakingANerve
      @FakingANerve Год назад +2

      But... but... "mYsTeRiOuS wAyS!!"

  • @trafficcone5449
    @trafficcone5449 Год назад +85

    Just my opinion but the hosts entertained this guy for way too long. He didn't want to talk about theism or belief, he wanted to talk about politics, and more importantly, he wanted to criticize the hosts' political views, not actually discuss or learn anything. It was obvious within the first 30 seconds, and that's about all the call really needed. I'm not saying we should silence people for having "wrong" opinions but it doesn't make sense to humor people who aren't conversing in good faith.

    • @Moralatheist101
      @Moralatheist101 Год назад +9

      Agreed.

    • @GabeCoolwater
      @GabeCoolwater Год назад +10

      Totally agree. The guy was just happy to throw sh*t around, offending and calling names... I wouldn't have allowed him to continue on the phone.

    • @starfishsystems
      @starfishsystems Год назад +6

      It can make sense if it's likely to have the effect of exposing bad arguments by theists, or positions not taken in good faith; likewise in presenting more honest and rational alternatives.

    • @tarielkaroldan4106
      @tarielkaroldan4106 Год назад +6

      I guess ppl who try to engage in debate, not in good faith but only to "win" (Ben Shapiro comes to mind) will never learn any other way to debate unless it is shown to them

    • @dansmith7009
      @dansmith7009 Год назад +1

      @@cajunking5987 Ben Shapiro is pretty well known for gish galloping, along with pretty often using straw man arguments. If you actually look at a lot of his discussions with college students, he interrupts what they are saying, mischaracterizes it pretty often, and knocks down that straw man. And he gets away with it because it’s a college student who hasn’t had the media training or debate training to know you can’t argue with a dishonest person who has control of your mic and is willing to cut you off and talk over you halfway through a point.

  • @ken7165
    @ken7165 Год назад +9

    The whole “if you don’t believe what I believe then you’re going to suffer for all eternity” is what really gets me. It’s just ridiculous. 🙄

    • @aue82a
      @aue82a Год назад

      Jesus: "I have suffered for you, now it is your turn"

  • @davidpaylor5666
    @davidpaylor5666 8 месяцев назад +4

    I just love knocking on people's doors to ask "Have you heard the Bad News?"

  • @MofoMan2000
    @MofoMan2000 Год назад +15

    I wish you guys would ask the question "what does this have to do with atheism?" I really don't know how he connects atheism with "wokeness" or even what he thinks "woke" means.

    • @kimsland999
      @kimsland999 Год назад +7

      He was trying to say: You have bad beliefs too.
      Not a good theist side argument.

  • @TrejoDuneSea
    @TrejoDuneSea Год назад +13

    "As soon as you bring me some..." Damn, what a burn.

  • @rcblazer
    @rcblazer Год назад +10

    Would you like (let alone love) anybody who told you "You are irredeemably evil and deserve to be tormented for all eternity!" Sounds to me like Jesus is the most toxic abusive relationship anyone could possibly have.

  • @Gerryjournal
    @Gerryjournal 10 месяцев назад +4

    Why people even try to cope living with one foot in the 21st century and the other in the 1st century is beyond me

  • @pmtoner9852
    @pmtoner9852 Год назад +14

    Sometimes I'm sleeping, so not all the time.

  • @titania2112
    @titania2112 Год назад +38

    Jay is an intellectual like abstinance is a sex position.

    • @ronaldolson6553
      @ronaldolson6553 Год назад +4

      I mean, "Abstinence only" IS a position on matters of sex 😂. But I get what you mean.

    • @godsire6217
      @godsire6217 Год назад

      👏👏👏👏

    • @godsire6217
      @godsire6217 Год назад

      @Michelle Fear mongering bs, that's what you have for me as proof?

    • @ronaldolson6553
      @ronaldolson6553 Год назад +1

      @Michelle Prove your claims. Don't just threaten people with hell.

    • @KillerTofuDrums
      @KillerTofuDrums Год назад

      The only times Jay handles a book is right before he throws it in the fire.

  • @raymondclapsadle9310
    @raymondclapsadle9310 Год назад +61

    Forrest just so eloquently encapsulated why I get so uncomfortable living in semi-rural Georgia (my ex still doesn’t understand my issue with the kids being raised here). These core beliefs, that we are all sinners needing to be Saved from the hell we deserve, is what I heard all throughout my childhood. It allows the religious to label any behavior they don’t like as “sin”, and grants them the righteous justification for some truly despicable behavior/attitudes in their fight against said “sin”.
    These are the same people that I overhear at school functions parroting bigoted Faux News talking points (like the caller’s ant-trans rhetoric) and laughing about it with each other.
    They’re so deluded that they’ll elect a violent, dishonest moron to represent them in the Senate just because he yells “Praise Jesus!” every 90 seconds or so. 🙄😖😢😑

    • @grahvis
      @grahvis Год назад +3

      @Michelle .
      Bollocks, pure and simple, there ia not one shred of evidence for your claim.

    • @leobriccocola8141
      @leobriccocola8141 Год назад +4

      @Michelle Thank you for illustrating Raymond's point so well.

    • @darrellvice2010
      @darrellvice2010 Год назад +1

      ​@Michelle such a loving God lol

    • @gerritvalkering1068
      @gerritvalkering1068 Год назад +2

      @Michelle I'm gonna agree with Leo here. You're just reinforcing Raymond's point here. Ranting like this, which you have done in several threads on this video alone, reinforces the image that Christians are hateful and bigoted. You're not going to be taken seriously, let alone convince anyone. Doomsday preachers telling you to repent before the end of days are a dime a dozen.

    • @AlexHernandez-ee5hd
      @AlexHernandez-ee5hd Год назад

      ​@Michelle
      Jesus doesn't exist, he never has, and you are suffering from a mental illness.

  • @StrikeBuster-b2b
    @StrikeBuster-b2b 11 месяцев назад +5

    I'm an atheist. I don't say a word to anyone. Someone starts talking about the Bible and I make fun of the fairytales.

  • @louhi6015
    @louhi6015 Год назад +10

    "Jeesus loves you is hateful" 2:10
    Forrest that was very well put! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

  • @scottblack7182
    @scottblack7182 Год назад +15

    This guy was 4 beers into fox news on youtube and decided to attempt to be a phone warrior .

  • @BarcodeBass31
    @BarcodeBass31 Год назад +17

    Its funny. I've been atheist since I was 13. I was baptised by choice at 11. But when I was able to read the whole bible. It just didnt make sense vs. reality. So I just stopped.
    I did'nt go to college. My dad's highschool friend was a trans woman. She "came out" when I was around 3. Aunt Geo...and this was in 1980. It stuns me that people still have to debate these issues.
    There is no God...its not even possible. The same way we now know flies dont cone from rotting meat.

    • @BarcodeBass31
      @BarcodeBass31 Год назад

      @@youhaveaGodregardlesscreature Says you.

  • @svenrichtmann6792
    @svenrichtmann6792 Год назад +17

    OK, so I was already a big fan of Forest, but when he acknowledged that the US’s idea of left wing was what most of the world considers right of centre, my German-Canadian heart went all a-flutter. But enough gushing about Forest. Isn’t Christy awesome! Another well-spoken representative to be proud of!

  • @ryandaley3351
    @ryandaley3351 Год назад +6

    "You guys just don't like truth," said the ignorant caller.

  • @BooshMasterOriginal
    @BooshMasterOriginal Год назад +9

    It's easier to fool people, than to convince them that they've been fooled.

  • @seanjones2456
    @seanjones2456 Год назад +11

    I am surprised that this guy was smart enough to operate his phone and call in. He should not run with scissors.

    • @denniswilliams3934
      @denniswilliams3934 Год назад +1

      Perhaps he should "run with scissors" this is called "Method of population REDUCTION"

  • @MrRedFoxorMrelzorrorojo
    @MrRedFoxorMrelzorrorojo Год назад +15

    This guy sounds so mad... about stuff that doesn't affect him.

  • @steveswangler6373
    @steveswangler6373 Год назад +8

    When people ask me why am so vocal as an atheist, I ask do you ask religious people the same thing? Do you ask religious people why they push their religion on others?
    When religious people keep their religion to themselves, like Jesus taught, then I’ll keep my lack of belief to myself

  • @intergalactic92
    @intergalactic92 Год назад +4

    I just like the roar of laughter when he said "I know the Truth."

  • @MetalHeadProductions
    @MetalHeadProductions Год назад +22

    "You're a biologist but you don't know what a biological male is!"
    "Yes I do, also sex and gender aren't the same thing and here is a list of scientific fields that you can look into to clarify the distinctions for you."
    "You people say sex and gender are the same thing!"
    "No we don't, I just told you I didn't and gave you places to look to understand the differences."
    "WOKE!"
    What a nice intellectually honest man.

  • @jackthebassman1
    @jackthebassman1 Год назад +6

    From across the pond, I’ve no idea what “woke” means and frankly I don’t care. This caller represents religious bigotry perfectly.

  • @Infinite_Curiosity00
    @Infinite_Curiosity00 Год назад +24

    I grew up in a Christian household/community in Texas. As a child, I always thought it odd elders and peers would preach one thing, but act in a contradictory way. This made me to distrust many of them. Beyond religion, many of the same people were down right cruel to others. I never expressed my views to anyone back then due to fear of being ostracized, and thus I was spared. Granted, there are some kind Christians out there, but in my region of the world, the mean ones outnumbered the kind ones by a large margin. I'm not speaking of just family either, this was almost everyone I met. The saturation of theists was really evident in the sheer number of churches in my hometown. In one spot there are literally four separate churches within a one mile strip of a single road. This is common throughout the small city, and still is today.
    More recently in my travels around the state, I noticed a billboard ad campaign by an evangelical mega church along the highways of I10, I20, and I35 (and probably others) telling everyone to admit they are a sinner (ABC's). A Christian colleague of mine thought nothing of it when I pointed it out. I asked them what they would think if it was a billboard for another religion, such as Islam, and they could/would not provide an answer.
    I find it interesting how when speaking with Christians openly about Atheism how I'm met with many of the same generalizations your guest provided. My personal path to secularism had nothing to do with science, teaching of biology, evolution nor the plight of the "woke" LGBT crowd. It was strictly the hypocrisy of theists. We as a group are extremely fractured in our beliefs other than lacking the belief in a higher power. I think this is why secular thinking hasn't really taken off. But, we are growing in numbers. I hope the trend of secularism continues in the same direction, even if it does take another 50 years to become the majority.

    • @aNaturalist
      @aNaturalist Год назад +6

      As someone in Texas, I struggle with choosing where to buy a home partly because of the religiosity, and so on. Austin is great, but I can't afford to buy here. I like rural rustic living, and I have the skills to live more of a handmade life, but I don't want to be socially isolated.

    • @Infinite_Curiosity00
      @Infinite_Curiosity00 Год назад +1

      @@aNaturalist Austin housing market is no longer affordable to most buyers. High property taxes are even driving out some homeowners as well. I wish I had advice as to where to live in TX, but the honest truth is there really isn't anywhere. Modified Skeptic recently uploaded a vid showing religiosity stats of the US. I can't remember the source material, but he gives credit to the creator.

    • @Infinite_Curiosity00
      @Infinite_Curiosity00 Год назад +3

      @@aNaturalist Follow up. Take one random stranger's advice or leave it, but I would buy somewhere sooner than later if you can afford. The housing market isn't going to fall more than the 20% it recent did. In fact it will likely go back up. The demand is still there, the supply isn't. There are about 10 factors that will maintain the demand for at least the next decade.

  • @Wes-x9p
    @Wes-x9p 9 месяцев назад +4

    The minute he said "woke" lack of understanding came shining thru.
    Define "woke".

  • @conradlorgar5508
    @conradlorgar5508 Год назад +13

    I wish i had the level of confidence this guy has when he's wrong, when I'm right

  • @petermartell568
    @petermartell568 Год назад +54

    being 'woke' means that you have researched the information on a topic, formed an opinion and are willing to actively support that view. the opposite would be 'the sleep of ignorance' where you don't care for facts and follow 'culture influencers' without a skeptical review.

    • @sledzeppelin
      @sledzeppelin Год назад +4

      No it doesn't. That's not anybody's definition of it. I realize it's a dumb term and it's nebulous, but to try to say it's synonymous with "skeptical" is just not correct. You know that when people use it, they're talking about a certain position (what would be considered the "liberal" one) on culture war issues.

    • @mookiewilson4166
      @mookiewilson4166 Год назад

      Generally I’ve found it’s self-applied by the least tolerant and most ignorant leftist wokescolds who award themselves endless unearned virtue and intelligence.

    • @alexanderlipowsky6055
      @alexanderlipowsky6055 Год назад +8

      @@sledzeppelin and what is that position?

    • @Leszek.Rzepecki
      @Leszek.Rzepecki Год назад +6

      @@sledzeppelin I wouldn't conflate "woke" with "sceptical" either. but what, exactly, is it you think is "woke"? Do you mean everything you disagree with, because that's what it sounds like.

    • @valivali8104
      @valivali8104 Год назад

      @@sledzeppelin it seems that "woke" is used as insult to try and stop people from supporting equality and societal changes and to destroy credibility of arguments.
      And every time I have seen or heard someone to use it, it is used against people and arguments which have been sceptically researched and support equality, rights of minority, show how terrible society is at its present state, etc.
      So I see no reason to disagree with Peter Martell. What reason you have?

  • @Author-dad-veteran
    @Author-dad-veteran Год назад +11

    First time seeing Christy, really fantastic role model for patience, education and respectful conversation. Bravo 🙌

    • @sweetsummerrain8086
      @sweetsummerrain8086 Год назад +2

      Oh, but another poster said that 'we' are as toxic as theists. I will admit I use a bunch of cuss words at theists. I personally think they are all insane. However, I do not advocate or promote a lie and use that to horrifically injure or kill human beings.

  • @redknight4805
    @redknight4805 9 месяцев назад +2

    I wish this call went on longer. This guy is the best example as to what is wrong with religious zealots.

  • @ToHoldNothing
    @ToHoldNothing Год назад +13

    Ah, that's cute, Jay thinks beliefs deserve respect: they don't, people deserve basic respect, that's fundamentally different

    • @kimsland999
      @kimsland999 Год назад

      Correct.
      I usually reply with:
      I'm sure the children of the Christain KKK are wonderful kids, but their beliefs? Outrageous.
      Beliefs are clearly not automatically respected.

    • @ToHoldNothing
      @ToHoldNothing Год назад

      @@kimsland999 Beliefs are mutable and abstract, people have experiences, emotions, etc, so they should be treated as such, albeit not as an absolute, like when they're being abusive, etc. Cut that cancer out of your life, I say, esp. if they don't get help

    • @killakanzgaming
      @killakanzgaming Год назад +1

      This is exactly right... People believe in huge numbers of conspiracies with no proof or evidence... The list goes on and on...
      You should be respectful to other people. But the idea that a belief should be respected by default is absurd.

    • @kimsland999
      @kimsland999 Год назад

      @@ToHoldNothing Sometimes on these shows they define beliefs as having so much knowledge (I know that I know that I know) that this is a belief.
      But that's NOT what religous beliefs are! Yes it may be a scientist using the word belief in that way, but theists do not know. And this is immediately shown when you ask: But how do you know? How do I know? Um... Hmm... I just feel that way (in my heart!) That's not knowledge in the respect of 'knowing' stuff is true or not.
      In my view religous beliefs are not about ppl who have extensive knowledge, they are using belief in the definition of: I don't know that's why I believe. i.e. The complete opposite to how we'd normally define a belief.
      Belief in Christainity is about things unseen ('unseen' means no evidence of in theism).
      They believe because of emotions, feelings, personal stories, not knowledge!

    • @ToHoldNothing
      @ToHoldNothing Год назад

      @@kimsland999 A better term might be faith or even creed, which I think does have a similar root to credulity, interestingly enough

  • @polarfroge
    @polarfroge Год назад +20

    It's insane that Forrest can explain athiesm ideologies SO eloquently & so expertly.....and then realize this caller has no clue where the conversation is going & is simply waiting for his next opportunity to speak.
    I love this channel, but the hosts must have SO much more patience than I do. Walking these callers, point by point, to thinking points SO much more profound than what they're organically capable of grasping.....
    I think it's admirable how calm & focused you're able to stay.