2020 BMW 750Li vs 2001 BMW 7-Series // Luxury Meets Legend
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- Опубликовано: 21 янв 2020
- This is 2020 BMW 750Li, and it meets its grandfather, the E38 2001 740i, which costs far less and is rear wheel drive. Both are V8s, and both are BMW flagships of their time. But can the old one stack up, and is the new one worth the massive premium? James and Thomas jump behind the wheel of both to experience them and discuss them inside and out. Watch and enjoy. SUBSCRIBE!
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"If you can afford the new one ... just ask the dealer for a 4% discount and you could get both"
@Quinn Thompson not forgetting the 20% off the sticker price of a new one to repair the old one to keep it in mint condition. 🤣
I’ve seen certified 2-3 year old ones for $70k which is a far cry from the original MSRP.
Steven Strain I think all manufacturers have sealed transmission now which imo is stupid. I’m a Toyota dealer mechanic and all their vehicles except for the Yaris has sealed transmissions. I have a BMW 335i as a summer car and that too has a sealed unit but I change the fluid every 70k.
Steven Strain True. Toyota’s newer vehicles are not as well made as the previous ones and I think that goes to all car manufacturers. I think they want people’s cars to break down after the warranty period so they could trade it in for a new model while it’s in their shop. And I do see that often.
Steven Strain Nah. When it comes to buying new Toyota is still one of the best. Still better than other car makes but not as good as they used to be.
“Ask the dealer for a 4% discount and you can get both” such a good way to end the video 😂😂😂😂
Man, that had me dying!😂 watch the whole video people .
“...and it has 1000 times more turbos, plus two”
*quick maffs*
The old BMW still looks good after all these years., I actually prefer that old BMW than the new car
@@anitavega8016 Couldn't agree more.
I can't wait to see how the new 7 series will hold up in like 20 years. I doubt it will even do that...
It will not hold up even for 7 years
And what,E38 held good?Yall are fucking dreaming,car looks ancient.
@@jermasus8600 for 20 years it has held up incredibly well and I don't even like BMWs... I'm more of a audi guy. The new 7 series will barely run in 20 years. Also as mentioned in the vid, the E38 looks "gangsta" which I agree with.
@@damianxavier7343 It looks gangsta because tupac was shot in it.Only reason.
@@jermasus8600 I've never seen the movie... It just looks gangsta from my point of view
can’t believe how good the E38 still looks
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Imo it looks like shit, the new one is even worse... im an Audi guy
Sinisteo Soxilano that explains a lot
Sinisteo Soxilano it looks great imo, simple, sleek and mean.
It does look really good however it’s a shame that the side skirt is so low compared to the bumpers
The E38 is one of the prettiest sedans of all time
@ϟϟ White Wolf ϟϟ
If only it's reliability matched...
But yeah, the W126 was a masterpiece. I remember seeing a blue one on a 1989 German calendar. I think it was at their plant Stuttgart if I'm not mistaken. They had it mounted on some kind of gyroscope-looking thingy. It looked absolutely majestic. Blue is also my favorite color.
ϟϟ White Wolf ϟϟ YES!! A 904 Midnight Blue W126 with Palomino interior is still one of my dream cars
I still have it, lol. Been driving it for the last 19 years, the V12 though. Dropped suspension, full free flow and double turbo, and yes, bullet proof, lol.
I had an 01 Sport. Miss that car...
Like the Lexus LS400
I just bought a 2001 740iL for a thousand US dollars. I knew nothing about it. It's a very nice car, terribly fast, great suspension, it fits me well. I love it.
Great video guys
These guys really gel well together, they are the ying and yang, Canadian & British. Its obvious they spend alot of time researching the cars they are going to review, like James looking up what the BMW online forums thought and wrote about the 7 series in 2001! I think these two are the top of their game with their channel, all the best for 2021! Matt from Sydney
"Did you fall into the grill"🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'll get the rope.
i literally died laughing 🤣🤣🤣
😭😭😭😭😭
savage as f***😂🤣
3:36 "looks like a pig ate a bee and had an allergic reaction" lmaoooo
The E38 might be old, but it will go down as one of the best looking sedans of all time
The thing is, it wont go down ever
E38 was the last good looking 7 series. Then came the odd looking Bangle-era cars....The latest 750 design is just too busy, looks like it's trying too hard. After the E38, all 7 series were uglier in design than the competing S-Class and A8.
Kristian Larsen It will never go down ))))
@@myroslavopalenyk120 neither will you
I actually like the look of those "easy to leak" oil 745s though 😍
I drove a 1988 7 series with 200k on the clock a few years ago and I was so surprised on what a comfortable and sporty drive it was. It was so well put together you could feel it in the drive, the seats, the suspension, the buttons.. everything. Though my Mazda 3 is much newer and has more technology, for a drive the bmw was a better ride and 30 years older. It made my Mazda 3 drive, look and feel cheap lol plus I also don’t think my Mazda would last or stay in as good of condition as the bmw has for 30 years
i love the styling on that 2001. my favorite bimmer for a long time, its so sleek and timeless
The fact you mentioned Tomorrow Never Dies right off the bat, this is already fantastic
Don't forget the first and best Transporter movie.
@@RobertCollins14 only seen the second one, sadly. I do need to see it
It is sad really, that we remember commercials made by car manufacturers.
@@IwillBwaiting it is sad that you are conflating product placement in a movie with a commercial. There are actually some pretty good car commercials.
@@RobertCollins14 All James Bond movies from that era are BMW commercials.
Coming soon :
Horse carriage vs S class
Just a Dad Daimler motorcarriage vs S class!
@@cwhitty05
I stay corrected sir. U are absolutely right 😁👍👍👍
Wouldn't a Smart car or a Mercedes Benz B class be more logical, because of the sheer size of the S class?
A Smart car isn't a full Mercedes Benz product, likewise with the Motor Carriage.
A Smart car made big innovations in city driving, like the Motor Carriage
If you leave two S-classes in a garage for a while do they automatically produce a copy of themselves? Checkmate Mercedes.
No no, Mercedes Benz patent motor wagon vs s class
Love this before and after comparisons. Favorite one so far is Lexus LS then and now. Keep up the good work guys.
5:09 I can in fact say that steering wheel is the E39 5 series M sport steering wheel. However the 7 did get a 3 spoke steering wheel, it just looked a bit different. Also I’m in agreement with most of the comment section that I prefer the E38 over the new generation. I own one currently and it has over 242k miles on it. My dad’s E38 has 320k miles on it. BMWs of this era could never hit that kind of mileage without needing serious engine or transmission work. I’ve even driven the new 7 and even though it has more power, it just doesn’t compare to the old one. The E38 is just way more planted to the ground and you feel like you’re getting an actual driving experience when the new 7 just feels way too floaty.
EDIT: Hold on, they said the E38 went 0-60 in 6.8? Almost everywhere I’ve looked I’ve seen 5.9 for the 740i. I don’t think they were correct on that regard.
The ideal 7 series would look like the old one and have all the tech of the new one. That old 7 series must be one of the best looking sedans ever made.
@Kenner1986 Do you think the new one looks better?
@Kenner1986 the new one compared to the E38 looks like 🤮
I'm swapping a idrive from a 15 M5 in my 98 and a 360 camera system. Soooo I've got some of it there
@O 99 No, I just drive too much my E38! 😉
Kenner1986 My friend you may have to get your vision checked cause that grille on the new 7-series is one of the ugliest design elements ever placed on a BMW. New doesn’t necessarily mean better styled, and if you had an immaculate 2001 7-series for direct comparison it would hold up a lot better.
In 20 years, let's see if the new 7 series looks as elegant and good as the E38. *I suspect that we already know the answer.*
You are right, but times have changed. And sadly tech ages very fast. People want to have the newest tech features in cars, even if that means that it looks old in ten years. A 30 year old telephone phone also works today while a new smartphone will be shit in 30 Years.
@@Andi-ft5rt Really wise words man
looks already bad from the day it comes out of the factory,scares no one,is a waterpistol
The answer is yes
absolutely not. Just like the E65 is the ugliest 7 series, even with almost 20 years past, it still looks ugly and not elegant. lol
Late 90s and early 00s were so good for BMW design, there's E46 3-series, E39 5-series, E38 7-series and Z8, all look stunning
I will always regret selling my E38. Best car ever made, i will argue all day
Why'd u sell it
The old 740i series still looks most refined car ever made!
No it doesnt...
2001 740i M-Sport. One of the best BMW's ever made and with out a doubt the best 7-Series ever made.
Couldn't agree more. I've always wanted one.
a have one )
Ian Clancy I own a 1999 740i Sport (they didn’t use M-Sport branding on that car) in Aspensilber Metallic
Also E39 M5 and E46 M3... If only BMW knew how to make window regulators
Precisely!
My 2001 740 IL was the first car I purchased with satellite Navigation. I loved that stunningly beautiful car. Sold it in 2007 when the repairs started outweighing it’s value. Great cars that become very expensive to maintain.
So what you are saying is that your 2001 7 series lasted 6 years? That's not great.
My favorite car review channel talking about 2 cars from my favorite carmaker. Favorite video of all time.
"It looks like a pig ate a bee" hits the nail on the head. Someone tell the engineers that one.
The problem comes from the designers, not the engineers. And from the board that approved that tastelessly hideous grille.
I love my E38 740i sport. Best looking 7 series ever, has been super reliable for over 10 years and is a joy to drive. Amazing car
I've daily drove mine for 2 years and only had one time I needed reset security for it to start.
My e65 is the most beautiful it has been reliable for a week now
You've owned it nearly twice as long now @@humzashaik5151
3:36 James, “If this was Jupiter (referring to the new 7 series grill) this would be Jupiter’s storm spot (referring to the old 7 series grill)” 🤣🤣🤣
I paid like 9900$ US for my 1997 E38 740i with 120k Kilometers (75000 miles) on the clock. Full Service-History and almost fully equiped. A super nice car indeed. Also mine got the dynamic suspension which lets you choose between a soft and a sporty ride. Absolutely amazing for a car of that age!
Just imagine these compare in 20 years. How the future 7 Series will look like? I think it will be a massive Grill with four wheels.
E S what do you mean by 4 wheels?
Polo Ralph Lauren and BMW share the same designers.
xD
Still in love with my 94 740il
If I was in your shoes I would wait for the vaccine for COVID 19 to ne found.
A neighbor of mine has that old 7 series in long wheel form and I always stop to admire it when I go by. You can't deny it still looks really really good. I love it 😍
You could deny it but you'd be wrong :D
I love these vs episodes. Keep it up!
Love this series guys... well done!!!
"There is nothing more expensive than a cheap German luxury car"
Not my words, but this is the right place for them
What about a new German luxury car?
I think if your mechanic and know bmws then they are cheqp
wasn't that just about mercedes?
If you must buy one, keep a few grand aside for the eventual big repair bill. Drive them like a gentleman, not like a boy racer, and they'll last without needing major repairs.
Keep saying that! More amazing cheap german luxury cars for us that know how to work on them!
I owned both a '95 M3 coupe and an 01' 740 Sporty Shorty at the same time. I swear the 740 was just as quick as my M3 but waaaay' more comfortable.. but those $90 fill-ups were heart wrenching
I currently own a 99 M3. My parents have their e38 740iL, I am always amazed at how quick it is and how it builds speed without out you ever knowing it.
Window regulator breakdowns is one of the main problem with the E38s. Both regulators at my backseat don't work anymore and its a miracle the front ones work
i was gifted my fathers 2002 525i with 115,300 miles, and its in impeccable driving condition; very clean, comfortable, he looked after it and was a lightweight relaxed driver; most of the mileage was driving every winter from toronto to port charlotte florida, and it was never winter driven; it feels/looks like a 6 months old car; hard to believe its 20 years old
1:44 Umm, it's driving on 3 lugs attached to the same side on one wheel..?
Lol eagle eye. Nicely spotted. Surely a car dealership would not advertise a car for sale with 2 missing wheel nuts...
hahaha yeah also spotted it
😂😂 why would he have his personal ridin lime that 🤦🏽♂️ must not drive it much and is garage kept
Worse than that they are studs, not lug nuts, almost found that out the hard way years ago when I had my first S-Class and was on the side of the highway with a flat tire waiting for the tow truck to come and my buddy got fed up waiting and started to change the tire himself and we quickly realized they were studs not lug nuts after one or two were off and quickly put them back on again.
weight savings!
"Is this stAnced?" Lost it there😂
Staunced.
Nico Kobalia *stonst
I had the pleasure to drive in a 750iL from 1998 for a while and it’s such a beautiful and stylish car.
13:44 I love how the suspension gently goes up when James changes it to comfort
2001 was 19 years ago?
Jesus i am already old
Time flies mate 😭
I felt a heart attack coming on when I heard that.
Human lifespan is short. You are still young really.
20 now 😂
@@PhD63 yeah with the experience I have now. OMG world watch out!
The world needs more E38 content 💙💙
I enjoy all the videos comparing the vintage and new. You guys need to have your own TV series.
Every BMW built before 2006 was and will be legends, they were built with a soul.
E38 is the best 90's luxury sedan period!
JESUS MARY AND JOSEPH! NO APOSTROPHE IS NEEDED IN "90s."
Nope,it’s mercedes w140,a living luxury legend.
Lexus is better in every way except that it doesn't fall apart and disintegrate like a magic trick
LS400 JOINED THE CHAT
Correction * E38 is the best luxury sedan period!
I just can’t with the oversized grilles of most new BMWs.
The M8 is nice though. Hope to see it soon here
Mr00Ted And M5
You can't (what) with the new grille?
Yea same, new oversized grille needs to go asap! Shit is just dumb af
The E46, E39 and E38 were probably the most beautiful cars BMW ever made, utterly timeless
In 20 years that new 7 series will look like just a car but the E38 will look awesome, a thing of beauty and desire
The difference is the drivability of the two cars, if you care about how much fun you're going to have while driving and the experience the old 7 series will never let you down. Plus 10 years from now it will still be here (unlike the new one)
Short wheelbase E38 with the sport package = favorite sedan ever.
Hell even the lwb with sport parts is just as good
"Smells like crayons"
Ive been saying the same for years😄
My friend had a 1999 E39 540i M-Sport 6 Spd, and it also somehow, in hindsight, smelt like crayons.
Yup mine does
We own two Volvo's, 05 V50 and 05 XC70. Both smell like crayons.
My E39 smells like crayons✌😂
@@MicahS70T5M headliner glue
I owned a 1999 740I and put 220,000 miles on it. There were repair bills with my fancy BMW mechanic out of his shop (not a dealer) but when I sold it at 220,000 miles it was tight as a drum and drove great. I bought a new model 7 series after that one and consumer reports rates the new 7 series the best luxury car you can buy. I own a 2015 Audi A8L 4.0T and it is terrific also.
Another great video guys!!
You gotta love those intros.
The old BMW still looks good after all these years., I actually prefer that old BMW than the new car
Had an E38 735i with some knobs and whistles. No iDrive, double elective traction control (car or driver). Brilliant piece of kit. Replaced it with a 4.4 E53 Sport! Handling on both is amazing (I used to race BMC Minis). I'd have another E38 in a heartbeat, with an M pack.
yep, that generation of BMWs had really nice lines and proportions: E46, E39, E38, E53... after that they started to get too "loud" (and Bangle'd) and not as classy or timeless.
I totally agreed
@@mike325ci Those were ugly af, the nice ones are the next gen
Ok boomer. Oh wait, I also like the old one better...
Love the videos, love the comedy, love you guys!
Love my E38 750IL. TY for the video!
I owned a 97’ E38 740iL and while it had many of the same issues, I still miss that car so much. It was so elegant. And yes the extended wheelbase was a favorite of several ladies that I dated.
Every video gets better. Perfect balance of overview, technical & humor. Love you guys! Keep it up.
Love the show!
Please do the same with Roles and Bentley. Interesting to watch new Mercedes vs BMW as dome with Roles and Mercedes
JAMES, that was a simple yet classic conclusive remark you made.
I love how Thomas shows his love for every Exx from early 00's BMW's
Almost 6k is a way to much for that condition e38, literally live 30min form that dealership, i should stop in and see what the salesman is smoking 😂
😂 he prolly try to share it with you to get you to buy it at that price 💀
@@dussemccussay3995 I'll take it for a drive but it will be worth substantially less once I put it through its paces to see what mechanically needs work 😂
I just saw one of these for $1200 OBO near me with 200,000 miles :)
Indeed, that particular car should be cheaper, a lot of homework to do and isn't worth it, buy a more expensive decent condition one and it will saves you from tons of homework
I agree, i sold my 750iL 2000 which was black and black and everything worked for $5k (that was about 5+ years ago)
This was so entertaining! I love these videos you do.
The E38 by LightYears!
Hey guys, good video, but that E38 was pretty rough... I know of several very nice E38s in Ontario, including a super-rare Alpina B12 if you guys really want to see what a good E38 looks like.
Cheers!
It only had 3 lug bolts!!! I wouldnt trust that dealer if they think thats ok to give to customers or journalists.
Lol yea this was a questionable example of a e38...
The crayon smell comes from the adhesive they use to put all the interior pieces together, BMW, Merc, Volkswagen and Audi all used it so that’s why they all smell like that when they’re older.
It's so weird that some E38s completely avoid developing the crayon smell. My personal 1998 740iL has the crayon smell but my 1997 750iL does not have it. Neither does my dad's 2001 740i, or my previous 2001 740iL. My first E38 was also a 1998 and it had the crayon smell too.
mitchgo _ A lot of it has to do with how it was stored. If it was garage kept most of its life it’s less likely to develop the crayon smell. But if it sits outside the heat is what causes the adhesive to make that smell after a while.
Blah blah blah... You are telling bullshit, buddy!
@@user-jf8gd3lv7q Please leave the internet.
First time in my life I hear about the crayon smell. Non of my bmws of these period smells like that. Just leather.
I grew up in an E38 long wheel base and would sit backwards in the rear foot wells and use the seat as a table to draw. It was all black with 19” M wheels. Such a badass car
It's 18' M wheel sir I still have it and love it
Liking the comparisons, clever.
The steering wheel came on the “Sport” package. I remember shopping for these back in the day.
Samuel, wrong sport package steering wheel was different style than the one shown in video, one in the video was retrofitted to the car👍🏼
Yea the factory e38 sport wheel had a larger airbag.
Yep, the sport package wheel would have a double parallel spoke on the bottom. That one is off an E39 M5 or E46 M3. [I have installed a paddle-shift wheel off an E46 M3 SMG to my E53 X5 4.6is - looks just like the one in this E38, but with paddle shifts]
Yo, I love almost everything you guys publish. Another review, another 20 minutes well spent. Bravo!!
Love your Chanel I do enjoy your creativity
I parked next to an old 7 series the other day, and was immediately reminded of how good they still look. Even my young son liked it, and he's fussy lol.
They're a timeless design, I think.
Love these new vs old series, really put things into perspective!
I own e38, and it's perfect. I would love to own it whole life
It will break your wallet sir/ma the cost of repair
Go ahead
740d is best e38
I literally left my job in sales to become a mechanic just because the E38 bug bit me. I have owned and restored over 60 of them and I have mastered the timing chain system in Atlanta.
@@mrknowitallyah6058 Wow that is impressive
The intro was amazing
😂😂
Cool channel guys! I just opened a ****load of other videos to binge watch. & Subbed!
Thanks buddy welcome to the channel!
"Did you fall into the grill again?" 😂
Love the old vs new comparisons. Keep em coming 👍
I am still deeply in love with my Imola Red 2001 740i Sport Short. Every time I drive it, I enjoy it more.
Niccceee
I’ve owned a 98 740iL for years. Lowered on 20’ period correct Alpina rims. I’ve owned a 911,M3,S4,Alfa’s over the years. I’ve receive more compliments from teenagers to adults about the 7 than any of the others. It’s a timeless design
I've recently got into your channel and this is hands down one of my favourite videos. Such a fun clip to watch! And that you're from the GTA is even better.
I love these new vs old comparison, please keep it up! Really enjoyed the 4Runner one as well
E38 is the better car in my eyes... If I would have to chose between an well mentained E38 and a new 7 series, I would get the E38. It's just a masterpiece... Great design, simple interior, without all those stupid tablets and screens, yet luxurious enough for me and last, but not least, sporty handling, which defines the BMW brand. I could say about the E38 that it is the ultimate driving machine...
I love the ambient lighting in the new one
I liked this car (E38) so much, I had 3 at once at one point. As for the 2020 one, I'll wait a decade or so before thinking of getting one lol
If I had to choose between both cars for the same price and new, I'd much rather take the old one. Even without most of those high tech features.
This new 7 series just looks just abysmal.
oh0stv that’s the dumbest shit I ever read
E38 is way better. It's a legend and a gangsta whip
Amen. Newer bummers look like clown cars next to the elegant timeless e38 and e39.
I sold my f10 528 and kept my e39 528 because it drives better
@@Thecryptoconspiracist dude, the E38 is a legend. I don't know what BMW designers are smoking these days, but I'd rather have the old one.
That's said, I surely wouldn't pay 150k for it, if you ment that.
Computers in cars make them last much less
1:54 wow I never realised how big the new 7 series actually is, compared to the old one which is also massive
James' conclusion was bang on. But I still want the old one to take all my friends around on fun trips.
I've owned BMWs since 1995 and this was my 3rd one. It drove like a large 3 series. I had the '01 Sport short wheel base - the sporty shorty. I was a fool for getting rid of it, but the reality is that you need to plan on $1500 in repairs above and beyond the maintenance costs. So it's a car that costs $2500/year to keep on the road. This was peak BMW. It's been a sh** show with them ever since.
I have a W211 E Class (one of the best in terms of build quality below the W123 and W124) and now if I jump in some of the new Mercedes cars, they are pretty underwhelming, especially the C Class, it disappointed me so much!
@@DavidGarcia29497 agreed. Mercedes are still nice but you have to get to an e class or gle to see it again. Like BMW, they've mistaken half baked tech for luxury.
@@bassandtrebleclef 100% agree
@bassandtrebleclef For you to have that history with bmw, state those running costs, & say that era was peak bmw (which I agree with), says alot. Sad indeed. Logic & commonsense prevent me from getting into the bmw game this late. Still want to, but seems that ship has sailed. The good ones are so old now, finding one that isn't 100% trashed seems highly unlikely.
1500 a year to keep a car of this category on the road is not much. Try that with a new 7 series. It will probably be much much more
Although I wasn’t a fan of the grille, I have to admit, this new 7 Series has a lot of road presence when you see one in person.
I saw one in person and yes it has road presence but it looks more like a big chunky american sedan than a good old classy bmw... it honestly spoiled my mood
Well duh, the grille is the size of Montana. Rosie O'Donnell has a lot of road presence as well.
@@Fedethedangerous95 ironically they did that for chinese customers
@@spedracer55 that's not really surprising...
danger450, don’t be an idiot all your life. The Audi A8 has a much larger grille than the 7 Series, but it somehow still blends into the crowd. It’s more than just the large grille that makes the 7 stand out.
a neighbor of mine was driver of some government doll, he got 745i and during one winter temperatures spiked into -25C, all cars frozen but this BMW. He then helped to start other 7 cars. I remember it very clearly because of an amount of smoke and glorious sound of that car. I always loved styling of these.
What an excellent consumer point you make at the end, there 🤣
Actually its impossible for BMW to produce another legend after they made the awesome extraordinary e38 ❤
Thomas has a love for old BMW’s and I couldn’t relate more😂
Had a 1999 E38 735i, bought in 2006. A very good car indeed, fun to drive but experienced oil leaks from the engine. It was a solid and well made car, far reliable than its later successor models.
Intro is just so legit. 😂🤦♂️🔥🔥🔥
Love the way the rear seatbelts go the opposite way in the old 7 series!!
I've had two e38s now, both the short and long wheelbase. My most recent 740i is a black on black sport model I picked up from California, and my friend and I 6 speed manual swapped it with the transmission out of a 540i. Coupled with some modern interior upgrades like new speakers and Bluetooth, it's 100% the best car I've ever owned or daily driven. My biggest complaint with my long wheelbase was that while it was great for cruising, once you got to a fun road it was just too huge. The short wheelbase with manual however feels like a mini M5. If you have 8k laying around, get one and do the swap. You will not be disappointed.
In 2001 I purchase what at the time was my grail car...the 740Li...got the 1997 model in black, with black interior on those same sport wheels....it was so much fun to drive and gave me zero issues mechanically...when the new body style came out in 2003 I think, I had to have one, ended up getting a new 2004 745Li...and I liked it, but not as much as I did the 740 I traded in...I kinda regretted not just keeping the 1997 and driving it till the wheels fell off....but driving the V8 stuck with me as I have had two 5 series v8's since that last 2004 7 series...the smaller 550i I own today is as fun to drive as that first 740 I had with more power and cat like reflexes when needed....
I love the introduction