8 Things I HATE About 8-string Guitars
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- Опубликовано: 1 июл 2024
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Pros: more strings
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Your bass player wont hate you if you show up to practice with an 8 string guitar. He'll just show up next time with a 7 string bass and get all up in your frequencies. Problem solved.
I own both 9-string guitars and 7-string basses. Indeed problem solved.
The bass player won’t just come next time lol
@@DapperHesher What's the point of a 9 string?
@@tombstonejones9581 I've found that with my 8 string, tuned to EAEADGBE, that even though the lowest E sounds plenty low, if I'm going to play in a certain key where I want to reach lower to be harmonically correct. Sometimes that's just reaching down to D, sometimes I wish I could reach down all the way to the low B like on a 5 string Bass. It's not that the low E isn't heavy enough, it's more of a matter of making the guitar track match up perfectly with the key of the song. In that sense I've had the urge for a 9 string whenever that comes up lol
@@tombstonejones9581 actually I don’t like 8 string guitars. As a guitar player AND a baritone vocalist, I hate singing in E or even worse F#. A note feels way more comfortable and natural. Ever noticed that djent bands often have girlish-like vocalists with high voices? Or super low like Brojob?
So 9 strings is what would work for me.
But since those extremely low notes sound (subjectively) like garbage to me, I just stay with my 7 string guitar and I’m absolutely happy with that
Rob then:"8 things I love about 8 strings guitar"
Rob now:"8 things I hate about 8 strings guitar'
Rob next--after break up with the 8 strings guitar: "8 things I miss about the 8 strings guitar"
1) string one
2) string two
3) string three
4) string four
5) string five
6) string six
7) string seven
8) string eight
@@conlangknow8787 String two... so many memories
@@conlangknow8787 yeah all I can think of is 8 low f strings being 8 good reasons
I hate to be that guy, but: the g string
It's called Bipolar Disorder lmfao
1. Doesn’t have a 9th string
2. Doesn’t have a 10th string
3. Doesn’t have a 11th string
4. Doesn’t have a 12th string
5. Doesn’t have a 13th string
6. Doesn’t have a 14th string
7. Doesn’t have a 15th string
8. Doesn’t have a 16th string
13th*
@@Magmabbx I hope you're joking....
Are you Jared Dines in secret?
Yes!
@@is_and
*elevenst
*twelvand
*thirteenird
doesn't sound like a joke to me
Pros: Djent
Cons: Djent
Djent can never be a con.
Peerless index finger strength from doing those 010s on your low string lmao
LOL
That's fair.
@@junglefett Djent also can never be a pro
Pros: Nobody can play your guitar normally
Cons: Neither do you
@4662698able I mean he’s not wrong
@4662698able Yep, that's the name of a band alright!
You never realise how comfortable 6-string guitars are until you play an 8-string for a while
I don't have an 8 string but I do habe a 27 inch scale 7 string. And its so wierd having to play my les paul now because of the neck shape and the Paul has a 24 3/4 sale. I also habe a 25.5 inch scale 7 string which feels a lot better and conventional but ot needs new pickups so I can't okay it in an amp. Put if u okay a guitar with a strat scale length the 27 inch scale is way more easier to deal with imo.
4 string bass: hello
I'm the opposite. I've been playing 8 string since 2012 and 6 strings just feels small now. I cant really play anything without overshooting on a 6
Tbh I find my kiesel Zeus 8 more comfortable than most 6 strings
I often switch back and forth between a knockoff les paul and my strandberg 8 string. Now that is something that will mess with you lol. The "les paul" has a skinnier neck, shorter scale length, and weighs a lot more. If I had to pick between the 2 I would never give up my strandberg though.
So, there is the risk that Corey Taylor borrows your 8 string without giving it back?
That's why Slipknot stick to 6 strings
HAHAHAHHAHAHA!!
@Balmung Barbossa I know that they play 6 strings guitars, tuned in drop B or drop A
@@alexanderd.f.157 they have some drop F# riffs too
@@VasKurtas I need to update my Slipknot informations then :)
@Balmung Barbossa they probably played 7 in the early days, when 7 string guitars were popular
Shit I was *not* expecting Corey at the end. Coffee went all over.
That’s from the psychosocial banjo cover video
@@RyderHaas No its not. The part where he says how many strings you got like 14? Thats from the banjo cover
@@jii-ro7083 I mean it is from that time and not recorded recently
@@RyderHaas i swear coreys hair is longer in the second clip?
@@suddenswarm5944 it is
Also, 8 strings packs are so expensive!
A single bass string can cost as much as six string set, so I am not surprised
Try restringing a subcontra tuned 7-string bass.
Nooooo
I'd rather buy strings for my 8er than my 10er. I paid almost $40 for a custom set of strings for my 10.
@@kronik5927 strings for my 6 string bass are over 60$ every time. I can end up spending hundreds on strings if I'm recording an album... you can get strings for around 40 bucks for a standard 6, but not for a multiscale
not only is it just genuinely nice for rob to talk about the downsides to 8 strings while selling an 8 string, it is really smart to warn people and avoid new players from splurging on an 8 string when they're not ready and prevent them from dropping the hobby early. it's also a great way for rob to sell 6 string guitars.
Love those transitions. And the place of the shoot looks so cool. Looking forward to checking out the music video man. Best of luck!
the music video is already out.
Yes
Lie make understanding Jonathan Davis
why is this top comment
@@johnhedgefield1530 cuz lie likes music is a legend
_8 Things I h8 about 8-string Guitars_ should have been the title :D
waht is up BLACKERS
in 8 minutes
8 things I h8 about 8 strings in 8 minutes
@vibhav kk777 Batushka would agree to that.
Let’s find out
Morning, Rob!
I just finished watching your video!😂
Obligatory "Fuck you, Glenn!"
Where can i watch full video with Corey?
😻
3:24
press f to pay respects to Rob's spine
88 things I hate about 88 strings guitar also called "piano"
A piano has over 200 strings
@@DarkandBroody thank you for the correction didn't know that
@@Terasiax the higher notes use 3 strings per key and that reduces down to 2 and eventually just 1 string per key as the notes get lower
@@DarkandBroody yees them low tones do be more resonant
That would actually be more like 264 strings. 3 per key.
Can't wait for "8 things I'm aggressively indifferent towards about the 8 string"
The fact that:
it weighs slightly more
it is made of the same material as your 6-string
the bass player quit the band 💀😂
(Needs 7 more)
You have to tune 2 more strings but since it's a more expensive guitar the tuners don't lose their tuning as fast so you don't have to tune it as often.
@@MediHusky I have a guitar that never goes out of tune and it has the cheapest tuners i ever experienced, like one twist can drop or raise it a whole step, so this idea that bad tuner give tuning issues i dont think is true, something else is going on, maybe the nut, or just the angles of the design. I didnt give this much thought until a youtuber mentioned the same things about his Dean guitar, having the worst tuners, but once you get it in tune it stays in tune he said. Had the exact same experience with my Tokai Love Rock.
@@mikejones-vd3fg I know what you mean. There's a difference between a tuner with good action and feel, and a tuner that actually holds it's tune.
lol hilarious cameo by Corey
Shoutout to Ron Jackson, he plays 7 string in drop A for jazz, and offers loads of lessons for it. Fantastic stuff for a solo artist to play melody, basslines, and some super unique voicings!
"In fact, if there is someone to use the 8 string to get chords and also get the bass notes at the bottom, maybe use some finger picking..."
So basically Tosin Abasi.
Funny comment but just sayin I think his point was the "singer songwriter" kind of finger picking- not the super "metally" hardcore progressive kind that only a (at least currently) niche audience enjoys
Basically Javier Reyes
John Pizzarelli does this already in jazz. However with a 7 not 8
@@DatHombre tosin does it all...just gotta find the songs. tempting time is one that has BOTH elements (prog/metal-ish + more traditional, almost folk-influenced). it was the song that SOLD me on him/AAL. and without jazz there would be no AAL.
@@ignoblesavage5559 I would love to hear Tosin sing, especially since they barely talk on stage, that would be amazing XD
Cant wait for Davie to do this with his 36 string
1. *M O R E S L A P*
All the reasons are slap
That’s cute I have a 200 string guitar with a Floyd rose
I find it interesting that no one has mentioned Josh Martin of Little Tybee - He uses a 8-string guitar to play indie-folk fusion and has developed a lot of his own techniques for 8-string such as tapping whole triplets, and even techniques similar to Tosin Abasi's selective picking and string thumping. Definitely worth checking out their self titled album.
Biggest artist in the guitar world, that fully utilizes 8 string chordal and finger picking techniques, that's why god made Tosin Abasi
Or dean lamb
@@worhed3722 Gotta love Archspire
@Balmung Barbossa well animals as leaders arent a djent or a math band so....?
@Balmung Barbossa umm nope
@@worhed3722 if they're not djent or math then what are they? If you're just gonna say they're progressive then you can reasonably say "well, they play hella low notes with complicated time signatures and polyrhythms and shit so they're djent"
Back in the day when all I've ever played was a 6 string, I was introduced to an 8 string and what they're capable of. So when I got the chance to go to guitar center, I found one and started playing it. Immediately I was blown away at how different it was and how unnatural it felt. After noodling with it, I decided it was too much and couldn't really get behind it. So then I picked up a 7 string and damn I fell in love. Now, 6-ish years later, I'll NEVER buy a 6 string again because there's no point. It was so natural to pick up a 7 going from 6. I did get the chance to pick up an 8 string after playing a 7 for years and it was new, and felt more natural, but it's still a bit too much for my taste. Maybe one day, but it seems like 7 strings is the sweet spot.
Rob, thanks for these videos. I love my 8 string so much, it's gotten to the point where I feel completely lost without the low B and F# - although there are just so many variables with string gauges, scale lengths and construction across all types of guitars. They all sound different in some way. I absolutely love the 28" scale of my 8 string, and the crisp 9 gauge string gauge up to the massive 80 on the F#. You were one of my biggest inspirations to taking guitar seriously. Please keep on doing what you are doing!
I love this style of video. Be cool if you make more like this from time to time.
What are your thoughts on 7 string guitars?
I love your transitions! thank you for the extra effort.
Been many years and you keep being amazing.. never stop doing what you do ! And that last clip was gold
All of these viewpoints and opinions are spot on. I was thinking about majority of them yesterday and especially how many solo artists there are now. Gotta dig in and find the jewel with an 8 string. I have some interesting ideas for it
Rob’s just showing off how beautiful his set is.
I appreciate him showcasing the ups and downs to 8-Strings. My only input is, as one who also frequently plays 8-String guitars as many others, the 8-String takes time to learn because of the wider low end. With enough time and patience, you'll eventually learn control. I personally don't have any issues doing the strumming stuff and jumping from string to string but that still took a lot of time to learn how to work around and with those lower strings. I personally love the 8-String and it's versatility. It just requires a lot of patience to learn
When I first started at going to a 9 after I finally went to a 7 (8 is definitely my sweet spot) but for people that might need a direction, it’s all about how you look at the guitar itself, whether it’s just jamming or songwriting. And what I mean is do you tend to look at it from high to low or low to high when it comes to chord structures. After I got a feel and fell into my groove, I noticed for more melodic rhythms, I’d automatically start looking at more of the high registry like a standard 6 (same with leads/solos). And when I just wanted to groove and play in that more “djent” percussive style, the low end became a fresh new feel. It’s definitely not for everyone, but trust me when I say, “DONT GIVE UP ON IT RIGHT AWAY” everything has a natural learning curve, just make sure you don’t forget to have fun while doing so.
maybe he doesnt know Tosin Abasi exists
3:21 I cried...
Appreciate the honesty. Really cool for a guy with a signature model to pjt out this video!
And cool fuuny cuts!!
Mate, thanks so much for this vid. Super informative and down to earth.. I haven't played an 8 string guitar but am on the verge of getting one.. This helped me make my mind up :)
I enjoyed this. Great job. Has anyone else noticed a rise in 10-string classical guitarists (or is it just my YT recommendations)? I think that may end up being an analogue to the 8-string electric movement.
I use drop tuning on a 6 string and it works great because there are a lot of big bar chords you can use. I wonder if tuning an 8 string differently would make strumming all strings more manageable and melodic.
So happy for you that you are sponsored by Schecter, them and ESP are my favorites and you are really knowledgeable. I had never come across your channel until I saw your 8 string sig. personally I think multi scale is the way to go for 8, the difference between the lowest and highest string in terms of scale lengths needed is to great in my opinion and the individual length assigned to each string I feel gives the best results. I had an 8 string with a 28 scale length and the stretch was a bit to much to play fast while maintaining relaxation in my hand.
id love a behind the scenes on the transistions for this vid, mainly for the shot where you fall onto the dryer, i watched that one part like 6 times in a row trying to figure out how that could of been set up. its very good!
Going to upload all those falling on the laundry machine takes to the 2nd channel soon :)
despite the pros and cons, even though i want to buy an 8 string i still cant afford it hah
was having a bad day til i saw rob uploaded a new video
Best part is when you crushed on the box and quenched your OUCH a lil, luvly to watch! Thank you inifinitely for sharing your XP!
I’m just appreciating how hard you worked on a internet top choice content video. I usually don’t make it through those, but the transitions and the edits were top notch. Lol
I love those corey taylor snippets :D
They're pure gold 😜
I like how a lot of these points really seem to boil down to "it's still early days". That gives me hope that the potential of 8 strings has yet to be unlocked.
I used to love 7 string guitars. AEADGBE made for some super crunchy barre chords and allowed for some cruncy dropped tuned riffs. Then I picked up somebody's G&L L2000 Tribute and felt a strong admiration for it. A light bulb later clicked on that I was filling in the low end that was missing from all the time I spent trying to get creative with my guitars and I bought my first bass. Sold all my guitars and pretty much control the rhythm section in the ideological band I want to create.
The point about playing solo, I felt that in my soul. Story after my first notes, I don't play 8, I play 7 strings, but a lot still applies, from creativity, lack of educational material, no one tells you that hey, instead of having the bass knob mid, or a little back, to just roll it down to near nothing.
One of my biggest obstacles, was tuning, I'm used to Baritone, but that means when I play in standard 7 string tuning, I stumble when I get to that F# string that's actually a G, so I tune them Baritone with an extra high string, but where I was going with that, The extra notes on the low end are a bonus, I don't worry too much, what I found that made it click for me, and made me fall in love with my 7 string... is having more note options in each position. So instead of 5th fret my low note being an A, it's an E now. I have those extra notes, every position, without shifting.
Now to the story time. I've played a lot of solo material, and written that way, and I had started forgetting what it was really like to play with other people. Last year I got to work with a brilliant drummer that was just starting out. Absolutely had the best time making music with him, and that said, I can't thank you enough because it was your drum lesson/Tetris video that had brought us together to make music, Jonas was great. I miss him. Sincerely though thank you for inadvertently pointing me to the musical adventure I didn't know I needed.
That tire swing got my like lol. Great vid tho
I never realized how hard it was to find a band where everyone wants to use this, I finally found one where I have an 8, the other guitarist has a 9, and the bassist has a subcontra bass and I’m super excited to get to go that low
I pity everyone who has to listen to you.
@@SamBrockmannImagine restricting your fun in making music by things random people you don’t know want
@@soups8146 , imagine not realizing why it's a problem playing super low.
I was listening to this in a background tab, I switch back to this tab and see Rob swinging back and forth on that swing. I did *not* expect that image!
just glad you uploading again♥️
i love how he always put a lot of effort even for a simple video
"ToO mAnY StrInGs"-my music teacher
same bro... he said that about 7 string guitars and 5 string basses and i'm just like bruh i wanna play deathcore wdym
@@spargelbob like you will never understand mr music teacher
My dad says the same thing to anything that doesn’t have 6 strings and says too little for anything less than 6
@@sharko3211 I'm assuming he's the kind of person to say that bass players aren't as skilled musician because they "can't handle" more than four strings lol
Too many notes, too many notes...
A piano has upwards of 88 strings, with added multicoursed strings of the same tuning. I think more is useful, likely a technique with a thumbpick and finger-style chord playing is the best way to approach adapting to it- which is what I've seen some players do already. There's a really impressive 8-string player named Josh Martin who goes by Koalanights who uses finger-style to great effect. He plays in a band named Little Tybee
So much flex in this video. And i love it!
Can't wait for the new video.
3:04 Thank you man! I play bass and I agree! You should let the bassist fill the bass.
As a 7 string player and an 8 string wanter I agree as well. I I like punchy sound of 7 and 8 which u can stil hear the lower notes cut a little bass out. Unless Your Animals As Leaders where I don't have a bass and the guitar player do both through percussion thumping.
@@ooferrell I agree with that :)
Yes
The place where you rec the video is so cool!!
I'm still in love with this room
I keep forgetting Corey Taylor can play. Lol Love how you got him in some of your videos.
“#1: the E string. #2: the A string. #3: the D string…”
Love the transitions
Man, I REALLY miss playing with other musicians too. For me as a bass player, I expanded my range to accompany the lower tuned guitars by getting 5 and 6 string basses. It was a bit of a struggle at first, similar to what you are saying about the 8 string, but now that I've gotten used to it, I really like the 6 string bass. Enough that I got a second one 😁
2:20 is my favourite collab part
Wow totally didn't expect this...
I love the shots in the video
That bit with Corey gets me every time.
I feel like the artist doing the best work on 8 Strings today has got to be Ihsahn.
Probably because he's not playing djent with them. lmao
00:53
Davie504 shouldn't see this part, otherwise you'll be in a real problem Rob! He's gonna give you a hard time!
Hey Jared!
Love you man.
Why'd you drop the glasses man.
They were dope.
5:00 One of the things I like the most about the 8 string is the versatility it offers when playing in a group, it allows me to play along with the guitar, the bass, and the drums simultaneously or independently. For me, it doesn't result in any issue with the bass player since that's usually me. When playing with two bassists you have to play differently so you don't step on each other, this may involve passing the bass line back and forth and or switching up your roll in the song. Metal is an example of a genre that both succeeds and fails at this. A lot of metal is well synchronized and choreographed so the instruments all blend into one tone unless soloing or a passing the melody around. The benefit is that nobody is clashing even though there are 3 sources of bass, but the downside is that often you can't distinguish between those sources of sound. I find this issue is almost exclusive to metal as no other genre regularly uses that level of bass and distortion on top of highly technical playing. I do understand what you're saying though, the super fun, all cards out, technical playing that the 8-string lends itself to is not ideal for playing with others.
Well you can hook up with the bassist by playing different beats in a bar for example (guitar plays 1 and 2 and bass plays 3 and 4 for example), there are tons of ways to fit them together
Rob Scallon, the guitar lord
He was allowed to shout at Corey and didn't die, what a unit
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Very interesting for me I enjoy the less content on how to conquer it and I love that there’s so many chord voicings and I also love alternative tunings on the 8 string! 8 strings is as far as I’m going and I’m definitely really happy with the one I have personally tho 7 strings is perfect for me!
What an awesome music video set!
Don’t just ignore that hat situation.
Shave it off Rob, you'll look epic
dope room
man all these locations rob as setup are great
After watching both of those videos I can totally agree with everything, I personally own an 8 string but because I can play both so regularly now the issues have kinda faded away for me, but still both the critiques and compliments are perfect
TLDR: There's more strings
I play a 6 string bass and I gotta say, it's BEAUTIFUL. The deterrents are real, but pretty negligible if you want something like this
(And yes, I recognize that guitar is very different. Haha)
For strumming, wedge some foam/felt padding under the bass strings?
I am a beginner, started just 4 months ago, but could not resist buying a 7 and 8 strings guitar. I now own a PRS Holcomb-7 and an Hellraiser-8 along with a standard Strat. I love all of them. The PRS is absolutely a monster but I needed something a little louder.
LOL Actually I wrote it before so here we go again: My extremely short fingers hate 7 and 8-string guitars, especially 2-inch pinky.
Well, even 6-string guitar is difficult to play in some positions :D
How did Rob grow his hair back?
Probably a mixture of finasteride, anti androgen shampoo, and possibly some chemical intervention such as RU.
I love the room you are recording in is that in your house?
Smooth pitch for your guitar course Rob. 😉
Next video : 8 things about 8 strings that I am neutral with
*YES*
underrated comment
so you're friends with Corey Taylor now. Sick
I love this videos man!
As an 8 string player I can honestly say these are all pretty accurate. It’s my favorite guitar I’ve ever played, and I’ve played for over 25 years and own both 6 and 7 string guitars, but I’m not blind to its drawbacks.
For some reason my 8-string is smaller and a lot more high pitched
Is it a mandolin
How many strings does it have
@@icetea8780 yes, welcome to the joke
why your whole room has white "missing texture" texture.
What a great video! Thank you. 👏🏻
I had an 8 string for a while. Felt good to play, sounded great, but I suffered from #8: too many options. I just couldn't write music with the damn thing. I'd pick it up and play some ambient clean stuff and the odd Meshuggah cover and that was it. Sold it in mint condition, which I'm sure happens a lot.
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1 thing I love about this video
We got to see Corey Taylor twice! 😃❤️
Go search for the original video where these scenes were taken from. It was nice.
I'd like to see some acoustic 7 or 8 string guitars. Maybe that doesn't make sense to some people but I think it might really work with some finger picking and doing some more complex bass lines.
I peep the intuition skate shop shirt 👀