WAIT A MINUTE! Tony Stark makes a reference to The Big Lebowski, who is played by Jeff Bridges. BUUUT Jeff Bridges is the villain in Iron Man 1. COINCIDENCE??? Probably.
I feel like there are many of us who have taken the online Easter egg and review channels as a big part of our movie going experience. My experience is enhanced by having smart funny movie guys to talk to about my favourite movies. They never respond when I ask them things but one of these days I'll yell at the screen at the right time.
I thought it was awesome when Doc Brown and Marty made an appearance in the final act of Endgame just for them to say *gasp* "Great Scott!" "Oh this is heavy Doc!"
Okay let's be honest I was looking forward to most the end game discussion, But I haven't gotten there yet cuz I had to pause because I was going to crash my car I was laughing so hard about the train conductor manual for mutant interactions. all I could see was one of those bird watching books and him frantically flipping through all frantic "okay this one's got yellow plumage, I think it's just going to try to teleport us?!" I was dying.
SPOILER My Top 5 favorite Moments in Avengers: Endgame: 1.) "I am Iron Man" 2.) MCU Heroes vs. Thanos's Army 3.) Captain America with Mjonir vs. Thanos 4.) All the time travel stuff 5.) MCU Heroes appear
One of my favorite little moments was Cap going "Hail Hydra". My jaw fucking dropped, I couldn't believe they found a way to reference that dumb comic shit but within the movie's plot have it completely make sense
I love the new version of Thor. It actually surprised me, and it took a while to settle into the performance, but its a hell of a performance from Chris Hemsworth. First, getting into Thor shape for the shooting, then doing half the shoot in a fat suit with tons of make-up, being forced to still do action scenes in that suit... I mean, he KILLED that performance. That scene between Thor and his mother was powerful stuff.
Honestly the only part that felt over the top was the panic attack bit which seemed played for laughs. The rest once you think about it is a sadly accurate portrayal of someone struggling with crippling depression and poor coping mechanisms.
@@samjackson9560true he was supposed to have sobered up when he met his past mom, but then he’s all drunk and still thinks he has to snap his fingers or else he’s failed
@@cometmoon4485 No, I think Steve told Bucky before he left to take the stones back. Remember Bucky said, "I'm going to miss you Buddy" before he left even though the trip was only supposed to be 5 seconds their time. He didn't act surprised when Hulk couldn't initially bring Steve back either. He knew he wasn't coming back.
That's how I felt. I was disappointed first time I saw that bit cause I care more about Bucky than Sam... but second time round I feel like Bucky probably wants some peace after being controlled and having to fight all his life. I would, however, have appreciated a final conversation between Cap and Bucky. I hope the TV series follows Cap SAMerica and Bucky with Bucky being able to take a less public-facing role cause he doesn't need that shit
@@JulietteReacts Well, Steve still isn't dead - no need for a final conversation. They'll be playing poker weekly for decades to come, no doubt. Dat super-soldier serum...he looks about 70-80 years old here, but I calculate the time he's spent not frozen in ice is *118 years* at this point.
Bucky seems pretty happy to just lie low in Wakanda. Sam on the other hand, actively took up the challenge to search for the Winter Soldier with Cap, joined the New Avengers, and then the Secret Avengers while on the run. The fights is still in him, just like Steve.
Would love to re watch this movie, but also I'm still exhausted from the first watch. Soooo much to take in. Big love from Oklahoma, thanks for keeping me awake during my night shifts!
I cried so much less in this movie, and i truly feel like it was a good ending. I like how they actually gave us an ending to these movies and didnt cop out
The way I understand this movie's time travel is like the book Timeline. Essentially you teleport into an alternate universe where time hasn't progressed as far yet, so you can do anything there and it'll only affect that universe, and you can steal stuff and teleport back to your universe. The only issue is that Steve showed up in his original universe again. Which I'm thinking must mean that after Peggy died (of dementia, like in Civil War) Steve decided it was time to return. So he probably told alternate-Tony about time travel, asked alternate-Hank for more Pym particles, told alternate-Steve to go marry Peggy in another alternate universe, took alternate-Steve's shield, and traveled back to MCU-universe to give the shield to Falcon. But I can understand why they didn't explain any of that stuff, people who don't care about time travel probably didn't care.
Gemini Man shocked me. I was watching the trailer and was like "Wait... is that Will Smith?" And then young Will Smith and old Will Smith meet and I was like "oh shit!"
Here's my question about the unsnap. Spiderman, Guardians, and Dr Strange all got unsnapped back to the planet they were on when they dusted. In the end credits of Infinity War, we see a helicopter crashing, did that pilot get unsnapped high in the air, just to plummet to his death? I assume there were other airplane with other passengers who are now again dead.
I'm choosing not to think about all the ramifications of the unsnap and the way they did it. The time travel isn't even the biggest plothole once you start thinking about things surrounding the unsnap.
*Spoilers* Two points about the Infinity Stones: 1) There isn't really a problem with Loki escaping as the Ancient One explained that the issue with the plan was the stones being displaced from TIME not space. 2) What will be the results of Thanos destroying the Infinity Stones as the Ancient One also mentioned that there would be grave consequences for removing/destroying the stones from their timeline.
I have read many comments these last few days that claim that they can bring in versions of the characters who have died from other points of time, and every time I read it it is no less dumb than the last time. They can't just grab other versions from the timeline and tell them "I lost my Tony, so you have to abandon your life and your people and come live with me". That would create a different timeline and that one would not have the character who would leave it. They would create a timeline where people they love are doomed to suffer just so our heroes can feel good.
The thing with the space stone is that it could still be in the universe when Loki teleported away, so when Captain America returns the stones, they’re still in that universe. Also, when Captain America went to the past to Peggy, he ages alongside her in that parallel universe, then he returns back to the main universe using pym particles (and maybe nanotechnology). The reason Cap returns back so shortly after he left is because of something the Hulk said before, something like “he’ll be gone for as long as he needs for him, but to us it’ll only be a few seconds” or something like that.
@@Jstreet606 SPOILERS BELOW In a 15 second spot, it shows Hulk/Ant-Man/Cap/Tony in 2012 New York, and it shows Pepper as Rescue, and it shows braid-beard Thor holding both Mjolnir and Strombreaker. Each of those was an exciting, unexpected moment in the theater.
@@joelmiller2601 That's hardly a prediction. Courting death is the same as saying "dude that's really fucking dangerous" Again, in no way is that a prediction by just saying there's a chance he could die
@@joelmiller2601 the "court death" line is in reference to the comic storyline where he aims to woo Death (the character) Whedon admitted he didn't have an idea of what to do with Thanos at that point
Man I love this show! Easily the best way to start my week! So glad they finally did Endgame. Now all I need to hear is Nick Mason finally to confirm that he's a Skrull!!
Not alone - was watching iron man 2 with my son yesterday and the scene with his dad telling tony that it was all for him in the reel footage added all new kinds of feels. Got me again.
I think I was about the only person in my cinema that wasn't crying, I heard a lot of sniffling around me and I was thinking damn a lot of people have colds in here and I looked around and everyone was bawling
I love how cap recognizes his weakness is the mere mention of bucky In civil he tells Wanda that when Crossbones mentions bucky he froze, so he uses it on himself to defeat his younger self but I did not like fat thor, it seemed they didn’t know what to do with the character so they made him a joke
I liked Fat Thor at first but felt the joke went for way too long. I was personally hoping he would somehow get it together in time for the final battle through some random time travel mumbo jumbo (I would've bought it lol).
Literally just had this thought regarding how Tony Stark could return for a future MCU movie, would be great to see what you think. What if in Spiderman Far From Home when Peter is fighting Mysterio, he projects an image of Tony Stark right into Peters head and basically tells him that he's worthless and he should give up on everything. But then Peter realises this and really begins to fight back because he's using the image of his mentor that he'll never see again against him.
If Captain America had actually been married to Peggy Carter the whole time that makes his kiss with Agent 13 pretty incestuous, and the nods from Bucky and Falcon really fucked up
First of all, Wesley Snipes for Gemini Man. Endgame was fantastic. The final battle was stunning but my only downer was that you dont see that much fighting. Its more following the "hot potato" gauntlet. They dont address Cap taking Soul stone back to Vormir and face the Red Skull? When Steve goes back in time, is it pre or post First Avenger? Cause theres either a frozen Cap under the whilst he's with Peggy or another Cap off fighting WW2 and up against Red Skull? Overall brilliant, i loved it!!
i am currently in the hospital. been here since 8 am and will have to stay till around the same time the next day. been watching this in bits to kill time.
I'm here for your take on all the AMAZING James Bond news that dropped! (No but seriously, I am excited that Felix is going to be back, this is due to be a good one because all the odd-number ones since GoldenEye have been good, and also did you notice that SPECTRE was basically a beat-for-beat remake of Winter Soldier until like the last 15 minutes?)
Most interested in what Falcon and Bucky will be up to after this. I adored Agent Carter (the first season moreso) and appreciated the Jarvis cameo. Bring it back for another season! I reckon Agents of Shield might be the only avenue through which the average person's experience of the snap and subsequent time lapse will be explored, but I hope I'm wrong.
Yeah definitely, maybe even the previous day she came. Cap shaves thinking 'Tony will have a plan when he gets back' *5 year later* 'bugger, I miss my beard'.
@@joelmiller2601 apparently there were 2 cuts of Endgame, one with more Cpt Marvel than the other, in case her movie wasn't well received. We got the one without too much of her (because her film was hot garbage).
Wait so did you guys forget the part where Tony hugs Peter. The one thing that is - surprisingly - consistent about Tony's character is the persecution, hurt, and death of children kills him on the inside. The lonely boy who's bulled in school in IM3, the story of the lady who confronts him at MIT in Civil War one of the reasons he signs the Accords. Peter's death. It eats away at him and it doesn't help since all of this happened he's had visions of everyone he knows and cares about dying. Tbf to your argument he's literally on the verge of death so it is fucked that his wife and literally longest companion outside of Rhodey was being cockblocked. I get that. But a lot of the motivation he had wasn't just because of his family but because he lost Peter. One of the first things he says after he's rescued from space is that: "I lost the kid".
The movie was great but what nags at me much more than the time travel paradoxes is how could half the population disappear and reappear five years later without a fundamental collapse of the economy and society? HBO's the Leftovers is a good example of a semi-realistic examination of the consequences of the disappearance of only 2% of the population and losing a full 50% would be many fold worse. But while losing half the population would obviously be hugely traumatic, I actually think the return of half the population after a five year gap would be MUCH MORE traumatic if examined realistically. After five years most of the returnees would be initially homeless if they rented or had a mortgage and they would have lost their lease or had their house claimed by the bank. Almost all returnees would also be initially jobless since in the intervening years society would have changed so much by the snap that their previous jobs would either have become irrelevant or they would have been replaced by someone else. In addition, many (perhaps most) marriages of returnees would be destroyed since it seems likely that many would be remarried or in a different relationship after five years. I can't see how any future Marvel movie can portray our society after such a social and economic upheaval resulting from both the snap and the return unless they just ignore it or are set in an alternate timeline where the snap never happened. I'm really curious to see how Spider-Man: Far from Home deals with this since the trailer makes it look like the snap and return never even happened or the world is just able to reconstruct itself without missing a beat. Also shouldn't half of Peter Parker's classmates be five years older than him now and no longer in high school? Obviously in movies where we are dealing with superheroes, time travel, etc. a certain amount of suspension of disbelief is required but it seems just lazy to ignore how a disappearance and reappearance of half the world's population would devastate society.
BLM 1973 This idea has been so untouched and it’s bothering me tremendously. What did they do after killing Thanos at The Garden? Did they try to help people that were in need? Especially after seeing when Fury and Hill were in Germany and people were screaming and a helicopter crashed into a building, it makes me a little bit frustrated that they didn’t elaborate on any of the micro-earthly activities.
Yep. Especially since they made a point of the support group scene at the beginning and getting people to move on. A good chunk of the people who come back are going to endgame themselves because they'll have nothing anymore. Not to mention all the collateral damage from the snap in the crashes and the people that just endgamed out instead of becoming psychopathic murderers. They aren't coming back. The fact that Cap goes along with this plan without considering this outcome is way out of line with his character. It was also really unclear what got snapped away. Between Infinity War and Endgame the language changed. In Infinity War it seemed like Thanos was only going to snap out sentient life in the form of humanoids or the like who consume resources. But in Endgame they kept saying he just snapped out "Half of all life" which makes it a much more noble cause to bring that back because that would have a much more devastating impact on the universe. I'm with you though that the time travel doesn't really bother me but the snap/unsnap is a little much.
Talking about the new Spidy film, with Feige saying that this movie is really part of stage 3, what if it's before the events of even Infinity War? Spiderman films have always been large enough to stand on their own, so it being out of order is a little easier. He doesn't have his new suit in any of the trailers. I'm betting the end of the movie is them getting back to New York and they're all on a bus going across the bridge when his Spidy sense goes off, roll credits!
RosaLui I think that could also play into why 2014 Thanos put up probably even a better fight than 2018 Thanos against the team on titan. Thor obliviously was out of shape but I also think cap and iron man were rusty because of 5 years out of action. 2014 Thanos could also be in his prime too
FIRSTLY HEAR ME OUT PLEASE: Think about this: Thanos brought this on himself! He gave Loki an army to take to New York which started the battle of New York which gives tony PTSD so him and banner build Ultron because of that New York battle. Because of this sokovia happens and Zemos family die, not only this but the sokovia accords are set in place which creates the first fight which breaks up the avengers. And then because Zemo lost his family he gets the avengers to fight each other again. This properly breaks them up and cap loses his shield. Because the avengers are broken up they can’t defeat Thanos in infinity war. Fair play Thanos has protected himself. But then due to this in endgame they time travel and kill Thanos both times for good and re do the snap. So what I’m saying is If Thanos didn’t send that army the avengers wouldn’t have been formed and he probably would’ve been able to complete the snap
Which is wrong. He has nothing to do with Earth politics. He sent his army there because there were literally the most Infinity stones in one location at the same time. Thanos likely didn't know anything about a force being powerful enough to stop the Chitari and he was throwing Loki a bone. As far as the scepter and the Mind stone is concerned it could be bad writing or it could be it was given to Loki well knowing neither he or Earth's forces would figured out that it housed Mind stone. It took Ultron to do that. The only other premise is that it the stones each serve a purpose and utilizing any of the other stones with the gauntlet would be pointless without first the Power Stone which is why is focus and attention was directed on that stone first. And space was next to have the energy to power it and the space stone to increase his effective range of all of the stone's abilities and effects. Saying he brought it on himself - well duh. The Avengers are inevitable. The plan to form them was in effect LONG before Loki shows up. They are Earth's defense force from its greatest threats and there's more threats to it than Thanos. Experimentation with Loki's scepter DID create Ultron so in a way that IS Thanos' fault but he didn't plan that. Thanos' snap is inevitable. I did hear you out and it sounds like a bunch of crap
I think taking the infinity stones could have made a bunch of alternate time lines, but by putting them back, there were only like 3 time lines including the Loki one where he escaped.
I would have liked to see some callbacks to the "The Incredible Hulk"(2008) but hey, at least we had Secretary Ross show up at the end of the movie in a cameo.
According to Wikipedia and the trivia section on IMDB, Natalie Portman recorded new lines for the scene where she's speaking off in the distance, so technically she did do new stuff for this movie. And she attended the premier, so I guess her resentment for the MCU has subsided a bit.
I really wanted to like this movie more than I did. I grew up watching these movies and there was so much stuff in this that I absolutely LOVED! Unfortunately though there were a lot of things that left a sour taste in my mouth after being a huge fan of these films for most of my childhood and adult life. Captain America: The First Avenger was the first MCU movie I saw in theaters and he's been my favorite character ever since. I feel like this movie completely erased his character development from the last two captain america movies (which had the same writers and directors?). At the end of Cap 1 and during the first avengers movie, he was a man out of time longing for the past. But during winter soldier, he speaks to older Peggy and she tells him about her life and tells him to move on and start over. They set up Steve's arc to be about him finding a new family and a new life in the present day with the avengers, especially Natasha and Sam, and eventually Bucky. The fact that he threw that all away in this movie to be with Peggy feels weird and wrong to me. Like, I absolutely agree with the choice to have Steve retire. He deserves a rest after all he's done for humanity, and I think Sam was the best choice to carry on the mantle of Captain America. That being said, even disregarding the fact that him coming back as an old man screws up the time travel logic of the movie and has some very heavy implications (did he just leave Bucky under Hydra control that whole time? did he knowingly erase Peggy's family?), him choosing to go back effectively erases the entire idea of him finding a new family in the present day. Obviously we know Peggy missed him immensely, but won't his avengers family miss him too? *This also cheapens Natasha's beautiful sacrifice. The reason her and steve's friendship was so beautiful is that on the surface level, they're morally opposite characters, but they both want the same thing: a family and a home. Natasha died protecting her found family, had NO FUNERAL OR MEMORIAL, and then Steve left behind that same family to go be with a woman who had an entire life lived that Steve KNEW about. Not to mention the fact that Steve and Bucky's friendship, the emotional core of the last two captain america movies, barely gets any screen time in either Avengers 3 or 4, especially compared to other important relationships like Peter and Tony. Steve has every right to be selfish after what he's given to the world, but I thought his selfish act was going against Tony to protect Bucky in civil war. It was so heartbreaking watching that final scene, knowing that Bucky knew what he was about to do. Damn I wish I could love this movie more, but of all the things they called back to in this, Steve's character growth was not one of them. Instead of getting rewarded for paying attention to these characters, I felt confused and empty. There were other things I disliked about the movie, but this really tipped it over the edge for me. Needless to say, I have very mixed feelings about all this. That being said, here's a list of things that I absolutely adored: - professor hulk - scott lang - natasha's arc* - tony's arc was so beautiful - tony and morgan (I love you 3000) - CAP LIFTING MJIOLNIR! - the final battle scene was incredible and steve saying "Avengers Assemble" gave me chills! - NEBULA!!!!! - steve fighting himself - the scene with happy and morgan made me sob
Natalie Rogers I agree but being devils advocate I would say he moves on originally as he has no other choice and finds a new purpose with the avengers but after going back to the past and seeing Peggy makes him realise if he lives and they are successful , then he can return and finally have a win for himself and like he said at the start of the movie she was the love of his life. I thought it was the perfect bookend to his character and was so so happy he ended up with Peggy. I’m kinda conflicted on it too be honest!
Chris Spink that's fair. I never thought about it like that! Very interesting way of looking at that scene. I feel like it would have felt more genuine if he had had more screen time with Bucky in the past two movies where they could really find closure with each other before Steve decides to leave. I also thought the scene where he sees Peggy would have been a good opportunity to actually see that she's moved on. Instead of putting a picture of him on the desk, they should have also had pictures of her husband, her kids, her shaking hands with the president, etc. Basically Steve looks in on her life and sees that she's moved on so even though he misses her, he realizes she found her home and her family and that he found that too in the present day.
The first time I saw Endgame I really expected/wanted certain stuff to happen. Which led to me thinking about the events (or rather the events that didn’t happen) during the movie. The second time I saw it I already knew what was gonna happen so I was never suprised in a bad way. I could just fully focus on what was happening without guessing what was gonna happen next ......I think 😂 l
Also, when it comes to Black Widow forget telling a spy story. Tell a cosmic Black Widow story, where she has to fight her way out of the underworld. You could use Hel and bring back Hela, or go for Mistress Death
The ancient one was jus referring to the stones as weapons. All she said was without these big guns we cnt protect rselfs and the bad guys will win. Specifically she was talking about needing the time stone to beat dormmomu in Dr. Strange. TLDR - without these the bad guys will kill us
Seen it for the 3rd time now One question though: If Cap went back and lived out his life then what happened to the Cap of that time that already existed in that time?
Spoiler Warning 1. My assumption was whatever issue their is with Loki leaving will be resolved in his own solo series. Maybe the series ends with him travel back to New York to turn himself in so he doesnt screw up the timeline. 2. With Tony snaps his fingers instead of killing Thanos, he just resets the timeline so they exist back in 2014 again with no knowledge of what they've seen from the future. 3. I think Captain America just keeps his head down and it basically introduces the idea that throughout the MCU their has always been 2 Captain Americas. The original one that got stuck in the ice and the one from the future just reliving everything with Peggy. If they would of created an alternative timeline then old cap wouldn't have shown up at the end. He would be in whatever timeline they created and not the original one
I think what The Ancient One meant by having to bring back the stones. Wasn't so much that if you bring them back the timeline will be fixed and back to normal. But more so that if they take the stones that those timelines would become like the darkest possible timelines they could be. Which means that them taking the stones and whatever else they did that would infect the timelines. Even if they return them before and that timeline goes on the same way it did. There is still now another timeline that was created that branched off from that. So your gonna have a 2012 timeline that went exactly as it did in Avengers. But your also gonna get another timeline that branched from that which has a ton of changes. As your gonna have a Loki that is on the loose. Your also gonna have a Capt America who remembers fighting himself and that Bucky is alive. That Cap is also gonna have a lot of shit to take care of seeing how his other self said Hail Hydra in the elevator. So your gonna have people that think he's apart of Hydra. Which could mean the events of Winter Soldier are speed up.
captain america gains thor level physical strength by lifting mjolnir, at that point he can survive a direct punch to the face from thanos, who is hulk level strong
@ripbruz no. He would be crushed, as thanos is stronger than the hulk. In infinity war, he knocked cap down with a soft punch, bare handed. Also the enchantment is the same from the comic, who ever lifts it, gets granted the powers of thor. Also, hence why the hammer channels the power coming from inside thor, and actually doesnt provide anything itself. Its how asgardians artifact work, remember thor magic belt? It also does provide inherit strength the same way to any below asgardian level.
So the scene where Cap says "Hail Hydra" in the Elevator has basically fucked over every Hydra agent. As in, one of them will walk up to the Cap Murica in that time zone, "Hey Cap, I didn't see you at least weeks meeting, so you don't know about tonight's meeting. 8pm. use the hidden elevator in the basement, the new code is 93847234, Oh and can you bring cheese and pineapple, catering is a bitch with running a secret organization in the middle of SHIELD, laters" Then Cap turns up with SHIELD agents and kills or arrests them all.
It is wrong because Steve grew old into the same present he left from. The divergent Dragon Ball Z timeline rules this movie established early on means if Steve decided to grow old in the past he returned the stones too, then he should have grown old in the past timelines new future made askew because of the botched time heist. And you cant say it works by closed loop time travel rules cause Loki doesn't get away with the Tesseract in Avengers 1. Therefore either the Old Steve Rodgers is from a different universe that the whole MCU is just a divergent timeline of and that original universe just pulled the time heist off way more smoothly, and Steve's Shield never shattered in the original timeline....or Old Steve time traveled back to his original timeline just to give Falcon a Shield he had fixed somehow. Also the Ancient One very clearly states her universe would fall apart with the infinity stones returned to it to hold it together. But the future goes on for at least 5 years without infinity stones in it.
Scott was away for 5 hours in the Quantum Realm, how was he supposed to find his way out by himself lol Also that Hawkeye haircut was fly af. Signed, someone with multiple hairdressers in their family.
X-Men will join the MCU via Cables time travel mechanism. Theyll end up in the same universe and established like that. But first with the Fantastic four debut
I would loooove if something like Wanda's madness was their next challenge. Something they definitely could not so easily say "should we just go get the infinity stones again?" Maybe it would be a reformed Vision torn from her again or a prolonged time without him since he can't be formed without Tony to ground her nor Steve as a support. But with something like that Wanda would be using the team's own minds or reality warping for the majority of the story, not an external threat. It could get more Guardians/cosmic weird. Or maybe Strange would have to step up to mentor her if he hasn't, as he should. In the conclusion maybe she's formed something for her own desires such as the House of M story, leaving everyone or maybe only a select few aware of the truth and shaken that a team member they care for is only hanging on by a thread and whether they need to do something to prevent her losing it again. Marvel call me. 📞😊👍
Maybe a reverse House of M? Where she decides "fuck it, I'm tired of being alone" and creates the mutants or breaks reality in a way to introduce mutant kind into the universe in some way
42:30 To be fair with the rat scene, it took like 5 fucking years for something that random to happen in the context of the film. It could have been something else, sure, but it's not as ridiculous and convenient as people make it out to be :P
Just a thought you guys put in my head....... *Spoilers* ...... what if Tony can't talk at the end as he is downloading himself into the nanite suit, he does pause before delivering is final words before the his click.... and his look is one of realization as he says "Ironman".... maybe when the time is right (the right peeps want more money) the suit could finish processing all his mind and it could wake up..... plus we do see a pretty decent quality hologram of tony right at the end..... foreshadowing?........ anyway time travel doesn't work in the film and neither does the multi-dimension thing either if you really think about all the loose ends, they seem to follow the rules of three different time/dimension travel films which all end up messing each other up at other parts of the film, but never mind.... still fun, not as much as your podcast though!!!
Re: Peter at Tony's side. I took it as Pete seeing a second father figure die in front of him (presuming they had Ben croak in his arms ala Tobey-Man...)
I saw Tony AS a (the) father figure. Parker, as far as we know in this universe, only has Aunt May. Tony offered him skills, suits, allowed him to become what he wanted, do what he believed in, etc etc. Definitely the death of a father figure
I think the time travel works like the Trunks universe in Dragon Ball Z. It's an alternate reality. As for the changing time I feel it's like how they say of you kill Hitler someone will take his place and time balances itself.
I think in terms of the time travel being universe breaking... I don't think hank pym would ever willingly give the avengers pym particles to time travel with
Wait, where did Thanos get the Pym Particles to travel forward in time to 2024? Didn't Nebula only have enough for a round trip and past Nebula used that to join up with the rest of the Avengers? The only Pym Particles left that year would be off Natasha's corpse but did they even know about that? I felt they just kinda breezed past a lot of the time travel aspects for convenience but still best movie ever.
Nebula showed him the Pym Particles. My guess is he was able to replicate them via science or Ebony Maw's magic. There are a few things that you can't think too hard on in this movie, it's still pretty damn entertaining though.
6:31 "Will Smith needs a hit. He's had some big swings lately." Speaking from April 2023, I can tell you that he swung and hit Chris Rock. So I guess you were right.
Mr. Sunday Movies' logo is basically a spoiler for Avengers Endgame.
@JustOmegaMan Ω The logo looks like Ironman wielding the infinity gauntlet. Which happens in the movie
Yh but tbf we all expected anthropomorphic goat han solo to show up so it's not much of a spoiler
Actually the logo is a spoiler for two movies. Avengers Endgame and Star Wars: The Force Awakens. Solo and Stark are bout dead
Pat Acorda it’s been that way before infinity war
When Maso got the infinity gauntlet at the end of the movie I screamed loud. But I can't believe all he did with it was to kill Ryan Seacrest
WAIT A MINUTE! Tony Stark makes a reference to The Big Lebowski, who is played by Jeff Bridges. BUUUT Jeff Bridges is the villain in Iron Man 1. COINCIDENCE??? Probably.
Prooooobably
Just like Peter Parker referencing Star Wars, in which Fury is Mace Windu :P
@Locky Almanza They also reference a ton of other movies/pop-culture stuff that Disney doesn't own..
@@thisisfyne because that isn't fucking relevant Jesus Christ you dense fuck
Super Kami Guru there was another joke that was self referential but I can't remember it.
And Sebastian Stan is in Hot Tub Time Machine
Thanos: I am INEVITABLE.
Yondu: I'M MARY POPPINS, Y'ALL!!! (Snaps)
finally I know how to feel about this movie by taking your perspective as my own
I feel like there are many of us who have taken the online Easter egg and review channels as a big part of our movie going experience. My experience is enhanced by having smart funny movie guys to talk to about my favourite movies. They never respond when I ask them things but one of these days I'll yell at the screen at the right time.
Jacob Herrera dude what a cool fresh take. I hope they read this and get so pissed haha
I thought it was awesome when Doc Brown and Marty made an appearance in the final act of Endgame just for them to say *gasp* "Great Scott!" "Oh this is heavy Doc!"
A captian America returning the stones movie would actually be very cool
Or maybe a(n animated) one shot at least?
YES
Tony Stark it leaves it open to a lot of cap story’s
Maybe a season on Disney + since movies need to be big
@@sorentordon4624 why do a(n)
I'd just like to give a shout out to big sandwiches.
Okay let's be honest I was looking forward to most the end game discussion, But I haven't gotten there yet cuz I had to pause because I was going to crash my car I was laughing so hard about the train conductor manual for mutant interactions. all I could see was one of those bird watching books and him frantically flipping through all frantic "okay this one's got yellow plumage, I think it's just going to try to teleport us?!" I was dying.
SPOILER
My Top 5 favorite Moments in Avengers: Endgame:
1.) "I am Iron Man"
2.) MCU Heroes vs. Thanos's Army
3.) Captain America with Mjonir vs. Thanos
4.) All the time travel stuff
5.) MCU Heroes appear
moegaard it basically is the MCU Heroes vs Thanos’ Army
Horrormaster13 avengers assemble
One of my favorite little moments was Cap going "Hail Hydra". My jaw fucking dropped, I couldn't believe they found a way to reference that dumb comic shit but within the movie's plot have it completely make sense
I love the new version of Thor. It actually surprised me, and it took a while to settle into the performance, but its a hell of a performance from Chris Hemsworth. First, getting into Thor shape for the shooting, then doing half the shoot in a fat suit with tons of make-up, being forced to still do action scenes in that suit... I mean, he KILLED that performance. That scene between Thor and his mother was powerful stuff.
Honestly the only part that felt over the top was the panic attack bit which seemed played for laughs. The rest once you think about it is a sadly accurate portrayal of someone struggling with crippling depression and poor coping mechanisms.
thisisnotme33 remove the stupid cheese whiz jokes and there would’ve been a lot less backlash
@@samjackson9560true he was supposed to have sobered up when he met his past mom, but then he’s all drunk and still thinks he has to snap his fingers or else he’s failed
You could tell Bucky knew Steve wasn’t going to return and was at peace with everything.
Do you think Steve somehow met Bucky again in the past, and that's how Bucky knew his decision in the modern day?
@@cometmoon4485 No, I think Steve told Bucky before he left to take the stones back. Remember Bucky said, "I'm going to miss you Buddy" before he left even though the trip was only supposed to be 5 seconds their time. He didn't act surprised when Hulk couldn't initially bring Steve back either. He knew he wasn't coming back.
Cometmoon448 no because that’s not how their time travel works
Tbh, I don't think Bucky would really want the shield. He seemed like he's sick of fighting
At the very least I think Steve would want to give the choice of whether to continue to fight or not.
Nathan Arredondo He didn’t seem, he was. Even T’Challa said so himself. “This one is tired of war.”
That's how I felt. I was disappointed first time I saw that bit cause I care more about Bucky than Sam... but second time round I feel like Bucky probably wants some peace after being controlled and having to fight all his life.
I would, however, have appreciated a final conversation between Cap and Bucky.
I hope the TV series follows Cap SAMerica and Bucky with Bucky being able to take a less public-facing role cause he doesn't need that shit
@@JulietteReacts Well, Steve still isn't dead - no need for a final conversation. They'll be playing poker weekly for decades to come, no doubt. Dat super-soldier serum...he looks about 70-80 years old here, but I calculate the time he's spent not frozen in ice is *118 years* at this point.
Bucky seems pretty happy to just lie low in Wakanda. Sam on the other hand, actively took up the challenge to search for the Winter Soldier with Cap, joined the New Avengers, and then the Secret Avengers while on the run. The fights is still in him, just like Steve.
Would love to re watch this movie, but also I'm still exhausted from the first watch. Soooo much to take in. Big love from Oklahoma, thanks for keeping me awake during my night shifts!
Big Sandwich.
Nice
I cried so much less in this movie, and i truly feel like it was a good ending. I like how they actually gave us an ending to these movies and didnt cop out
Obviously the Stan Lee cameo will be replaced by the RDJ cameo.
This is a good idea!!!
Or the Ken Jeong cameos
Not necessarily. It's on record that they recorded hella cameo bits with him before he died. Expect to see his cameos for awhile yet.
The way I understand this movie's time travel is like the book Timeline. Essentially you teleport into an alternate universe where time hasn't progressed as far yet, so you can do anything there and it'll only affect that universe, and you can steal stuff and teleport back to your universe. The only issue is that Steve showed up in his original universe again. Which I'm thinking must mean that after Peggy died (of dementia, like in Civil War) Steve decided it was time to return. So he probably told alternate-Tony about time travel, asked alternate-Hank for more Pym particles, told alternate-Steve to go marry Peggy in another alternate universe, took alternate-Steve's shield, and traveled back to MCU-universe to give the shield to Falcon. But I can understand why they didn't explain any of that stuff, people who don't care about time travel probably didn't care.
Gemini Man shocked me. I was watching the trailer and was like "Wait... is that Will Smith?" And then young Will Smith and old Will Smith meet and I was like "oh shit!"
Idk if I’m interested in the movie but damn if that deaging tech isn’t some good shit.
The music is cool too
@@thelastsith2706 It's something out of a transformers movie
Btw Happy Hogan didn't die because in the posters they released before the film he was in colour.
Here's my question about the unsnap. Spiderman, Guardians, and Dr Strange all got unsnapped back to the planet they were on when they dusted. In the end credits of Infinity War, we see a helicopter crashing, did that pilot get unsnapped high in the air, just to plummet to his death? I assume there were other airplane with other passengers who are now again dead.
Landis Young oh shit probably
I'm choosing not to think about all the ramifications of the unsnap and the way they did it. The time travel isn't even the biggest plothole once you start thinking about things surrounding the unsnap.
*Spoilers*
Two points about the Infinity Stones:
1) There isn't really a problem with Loki escaping as the Ancient One explained that the issue with the plan was the stones being displaced from TIME not space.
2) What will be the results of Thanos destroying the Infinity Stones as the Ancient One also mentioned that there would be grave consequences for removing/destroying the stones from their timeline.
I think the stones were not destroyed. Just reduced to atoms so they can't be used
@@TheDimitris96 So... destroyed.
Sam Krygsheld Yeah technically, but they weren't completely gone, like thanos said they were scattered into millions of atoms.
Good questions! Ones of which I do not have the answers to
25:50 I think the next mission impossible will be a cliffhanger. They’re filming them back to back.
The train driver bit had me rolling! 🤣
I would love to see an animation of the train driver just pondering all those mutant run-ins.
I have read many comments these last few days that claim that they can bring in versions of the characters who have died from other points of time, and every time I read it it is no less dumb than the last time. They can't just grab other versions from the timeline and tell them "I lost my Tony, so you have to abandon your life and your people and come live with me". That would create a different timeline and that one would not have the character who would leave it. They would create a timeline where people they love are doomed to suffer just so our heroes can feel good.
True...like the movie Inception he had to learn to "let go" of the memory of his dead wife
It's basically the plot of Into the Spider-Verse.
They COULD do that - just because it's a shitty thing to do, doesn't mean it CAN'T be done.
@@01MrCapricorn Indeed. Apparently that didn't matter because they did it to Gamora. This version has no memories of Vol 1 or 2.
The thing with the space stone is that it could still be in the universe when Loki teleported away, so when Captain America returns the stones, they’re still in that universe. Also, when Captain America went to the past to Peggy, he ages alongside her in that parallel universe, then he returns back to the main universe using pym particles (and maybe nanotechnology). The reason Cap returns back so shortly after he left is because of something the Hulk said before, something like “he’ll be gone for as long as he needs for him, but to us it’ll only be a few seconds” or something like that.
Have you guys seen the recent Endgame ads/TV spots? They're showing bits from the last part of the movie. So much for #DontSpoilTheEndgame, I guess.
Except it didn’t spoil anything
@@Jstreet606 SPOILERS BELOW
In a 15 second spot, it shows Hulk/Ant-Man/Cap/Tony in 2012 New York, and it shows Pepper as Rescue, and it shows braid-beard Thor holding both Mjolnir and Strombreaker. Each of those was an exciting, unexpected moment in the theater.
Woah, glad I didn't see those! I just went to go see it today! 😮
The Other predicted Thanos's fate way back in Orig Avengers in the end credit scene....😉
No he didn't
Josh Navarro “To challenge them.. is to court death.” You ever seen the first Avengers dude??
@@joelmiller2601 That's hardly a prediction. Courting death is the same as saying "dude that's really fucking dangerous"
Again, in no way is that a prediction by just saying there's a chance he could die
@@joelmiller2601 the "court death" line is in reference to the comic storyline where he aims to woo Death (the character)
Whedon admitted he didn't have an idea of what to do with Thanos at that point
1:37:22
"Far From Home will be a disappointment Box Office-wise... because it's not making a billion dollars..."
🤣 You guys were off the mark there.
“They’re the sons of Martin Sheen. Who is not Michael Douglas.” 😂😂
Getting Big Sandwich love on this episode makes the entire community feel like we're worth something. ahahaha
And yet they wont tell us what kind of big sandwich it was. Vegemite? Grilled Cheese? Baloney? A PB&J?
It's almost like the Dark Phoenix film-makers wanted to offer us... stakes on a train!
I'll get my coat.
Bloody got 'em
Man I love this show! Easily the best way to start my week! So glad they finally did Endgame. Now all I need to hear is Nick Mason finally to confirm that he's a Skrull!!
Anyone still crying?
...no just me, ok 😢
We're with you till the end of the line m8
nope me too buddy
Just watched it again, cried even more 😭 but damn what a movie
Not alone - was watching iron man 2 with my son yesterday and the scene with his dad telling tony that it was all for him in the reel footage added all new kinds of feels. Got me again.
I think I was about the only person in my cinema that wasn't crying, I heard a lot of sniffling around me and I was thinking damn a lot of people have colds in here and I looked around and everyone was bawling
I love how cap recognizes his weakness is the mere mention of bucky
In civil he tells Wanda that when Crossbones mentions bucky he froze, so he uses it on himself to defeat his younger self
but I did not like fat thor, it seemed they didn’t know what to do with the character so they made him a joke
I liked Fat Thor at first but felt the joke went for way too long. I was personally hoping he would somehow get it together in time for the final battle through some random time travel mumbo jumbo (I would've bought it lol).
I'mAlex yeah just likw James said, how hes fat but he gets his shit together
but I love how he takes the time to braid his beard before battle
Depression is no joke. It's actually a pretty accurate commentary on it.
Literally just had this thought regarding how Tony Stark could return for a future MCU movie, would be great to see what you think. What if in Spiderman Far From Home when Peter is fighting Mysterio, he projects an image of Tony Stark right into Peters head and basically tells him that he's worthless and he should give up on everything. But then Peter realises this and really begins to fight back because he's using the image of his mentor that he'll never see again against him.
Falcon just a dude with a Glider, Bucky an Actual Super Soldier, if you think cap is fragile falcon just a really fit guy
Hulk's really strong too but Cap's not gonna shield to him. Because he won't want it.
If Captain America had actually been married to Peggy Carter the whole time that makes his kiss with Agent 13 pretty incestuous, and the nods from Bucky and Falcon really fucked up
I think everything that happened in their timeline is still static and he created a branch timeline. Or two Steve Rogers exist at once? 🤔
First of all, Wesley Snipes for Gemini Man.
Endgame was fantastic. The final battle was stunning but my only downer was that you dont see that much fighting. Its more following the "hot potato" gauntlet.
They dont address Cap taking Soul stone back to Vormir and face the Red Skull?
When Steve goes back in time, is it pre or post First Avenger? Cause theres either a frozen Cap under the whilst he's with Peggy or another Cap off fighting WW2 and up against Red Skull?
Overall brilliant, i loved it!!
I feel same: absolutely love the film, there's just a bunch of different questions I have
I'd be interested in you going over your predictions of big movies from past videos and comparing them to what we got in reality
I want to see the story where the hydra agents go to past Cap and are like "hail hydra".
Andrew Alegria and then his eyes widen and he just goes, "WHAT DID YOU SAY?!" **hits them in the face with his shield**
i am currently in the hospital. been here since 8 am and will have to stay till around the same time the next day. been watching this in bits to kill time.
"where does the nano-tech go, his butt???"😂😂😂
Did anyone else notice on the rewatch that Captain America (from the past) had a new suit on? It should have been battle damaged at least
18:59 - so what you're saying is.... STAKES ON A TRAIN?
A cinematic masterpiece and a financial juggernaut hitherto undreamt of.
Did you really just say 'hitherdo undreamt of'...? *stetches while leaning on a cauldron-looking deal*
Doth mother know you weareth her drapes?
These comments...I like them....ANOTHER!!!...☕
I'm here for your take on all the AMAZING James Bond news that dropped!
(No but seriously, I am excited that Felix is going to be back, this is due to be a good one because all the odd-number ones since GoldenEye have been good, and also did you notice that SPECTRE was basically a beat-for-beat remake of Winter Soldier until like the last 15 minutes?)
I swear i saw Foggy in Caps support group in the beginning but he wasnt credited and no one else is talking about it. Guess im nuts
Most interested in what Falcon and Bucky will be up to after this. I adored Agent Carter (the first season moreso) and appreciated the Jarvis cameo. Bring it back for another season! I reckon Agents of Shield might be the only avenue through which the average person's experience of the snap and subsequent time lapse will be explored, but I hope I'm wrong.
OMG that train conductor riff killed me. lol
When cap got the hammer at the end, multiple drunk guys in my showing yelled "YEAH!"
cap still has his beard in captain marvel post credits so she must have went to earth first.
Yeah definitely, maybe even the previous day she came. Cap shaves thinking 'Tony will have a plan when he gets back' *5 year later* 'bugger, I miss my beard'.
It was a deleted scene
jonathan middleton Nope
@@joelmiller2601 apparently there were 2 cuts of Endgame, one with more Cpt Marvel than the other, in case her movie wasn't well received. We got the one without too much of her (because her film was hot garbage).
Wait so did you guys forget the part where Tony hugs Peter. The one thing that is - surprisingly - consistent about Tony's character is the persecution, hurt, and death of children kills him on the inside. The lonely boy who's bulled in school in IM3, the story of the lady who confronts him at MIT in Civil War one of the reasons he signs the Accords. Peter's death. It eats away at him and it doesn't help since all of this happened he's had visions of everyone he knows and cares about dying.
Tbf to your argument he's literally on the verge of death so it is fucked that his wife and literally longest companion outside of Rhodey was being cockblocked. I get that. But a lot of the motivation he had wasn't just because of his family but because he lost Peter. One of the first things he says after he's rescued from space is that: "I lost the kid".
The movie was great but what nags at me much more than the time travel paradoxes is how could half the population disappear and reappear five years later without a fundamental collapse of the economy and society? HBO's the Leftovers is a good example of a semi-realistic examination of the consequences of the disappearance of only 2% of the population and losing a full 50% would be many fold worse.
But while losing half the population would obviously be hugely traumatic, I actually think the return of half the population after a five year gap would be MUCH MORE traumatic if examined realistically. After five years most of the returnees would be initially homeless if they rented or had a mortgage and they would have lost their lease or had their house claimed by the bank. Almost all returnees would also be initially jobless since in the intervening years society would have changed so much by the snap that their previous jobs would either have become irrelevant or they would have been replaced by someone else. In addition, many (perhaps most) marriages of returnees would be destroyed since it seems likely that many would be remarried or in a different relationship after five years. I can't see how any future Marvel movie can portray our society after such a social and economic upheaval resulting from both the snap and the return unless they just ignore it or are set in an alternate timeline where the snap never happened.
I'm really curious to see how Spider-Man: Far from Home deals with this since the trailer makes it look like the snap and return never even happened or the world is just able to reconstruct itself without missing a beat. Also shouldn't half of Peter Parker's classmates be five years older than him now and no longer in high school?
Obviously in movies where we are dealing with superheroes, time travel, etc. a certain amount of suspension of disbelief is required but it seems just lazy to ignore how a disappearance and reappearance of half the world's population would devastate society.
BLM 1973 This idea has been so untouched and it’s bothering me tremendously. What did they do after killing Thanos at The Garden? Did they try to help people that were in need? Especially after seeing when Fury and Hill were in Germany and people were screaming and a helicopter crashed into a building, it makes me a little bit frustrated that they didn’t elaborate on any of the micro-earthly activities.
Yep. Especially since they made a point of the support group scene at the beginning and getting people to move on. A good chunk of the people who come back are going to endgame themselves because they'll have nothing anymore. Not to mention all the collateral damage from the snap in the crashes and the people that just endgamed out instead of becoming psychopathic murderers. They aren't coming back. The fact that Cap goes along with this plan without considering this outcome is way out of line with his character.
It was also really unclear what got snapped away. Between Infinity War and Endgame the language changed. In Infinity War it seemed like Thanos was only going to snap out sentient life in the form of humanoids or the like who consume resources. But in Endgame they kept saying he just snapped out "Half of all life" which makes it a much more noble cause to bring that back because that would have a much more devastating impact on the universe.
I'm with you though that the time travel doesn't really bother me but the snap/unsnap is a little much.
Talking about the new Spidy film, with Feige saying that this movie is really part of stage 3, what if it's before the events of even Infinity War? Spiderman films have always been large enough to stand on their own, so it being out of order is a little easier.
He doesn't have his new suit in any of the trailers. I'm betting the end of the movie is them getting back to New York and they're all on a bus going across the bridge when his Spidy sense goes off, roll credits!
Geoffrey DeSmit yeah that makes sense
God it’s so weird watching old shows before they added the “what are we westworld?” Segment at the end of the pod
2012 Cap would soundly beat present Cap.
Present Cap's been going to PTSD meetings, drinking coffee and eating donuts for the last five years.
Cornelius Broadnax
Well 2012 cap literally just woke up from the ice and wasn’t really that great of a fighter tbh
@@m.c4847 nope. THAT Cap JUST finished fighting a chitari invasion
Cornelius Broadnax
Still it’s obvious that he became a way better fighter after the first avengers movie u can literally see the difference
@@m.c4847 I agree. I think it only balanced out because EndgameCap has been on, like, a break for five years.
RosaLui I think that could also play into why 2014 Thanos put up probably even a better fight than 2018 Thanos against the team on titan. Thor obliviously was out of shape but I also think cap and iron man were rusty because of 5 years out of action. 2014 Thanos could also be in his prime too
FIRSTLY HEAR ME OUT PLEASE:
Think about this: Thanos brought this on himself! He gave Loki an army to take to New York which started the battle of New York which gives tony PTSD so him and banner build Ultron because of that New York battle. Because of this sokovia happens and Zemos family die, not only this but the sokovia accords are set in place which creates the first fight which breaks up the avengers. And then because Zemo lost his family he gets the avengers to fight each other again. This properly breaks them up and cap loses his shield. Because the avengers are broken up they can’t defeat Thanos in infinity war. Fair play Thanos has protected himself. But then due to this in endgame they time travel and kill Thanos both times for good and re do the snap. So what I’m saying is If Thanos didn’t send that army the avengers wouldn’t have been formed and he probably would’ve been able to complete the snap
Which is wrong. He has nothing to do with Earth politics. He sent his army there because there were literally the most Infinity stones in one location at the same time. Thanos likely didn't know anything about a force being powerful enough to stop the Chitari and he was throwing Loki a bone. As far as the scepter and the Mind stone is concerned it could be bad writing or it could be it was given to Loki well knowing neither he or Earth's forces would figured out that it housed Mind stone. It took Ultron to do that. The only other premise is that it the stones each serve a purpose and utilizing any of the other stones with the gauntlet would be pointless without first the Power Stone which is why is focus and attention was directed on that stone first. And space was next to have the energy to power it and the space stone to increase his effective range of all of the stone's abilities and effects.
Saying he brought it on himself - well duh. The Avengers are inevitable. The plan to form them was in effect LONG before Loki shows up. They are Earth's defense force from its greatest threats and there's more threats to it than Thanos. Experimentation with Loki's scepter DID create Ultron so in a way that IS Thanos' fault but he didn't plan that.
Thanos' snap is inevitable. I did hear you out and it sounds like a bunch of crap
Galctus isn't evil, he just wants a big sandwich
I think taking the infinity stones could have made a bunch of alternate time lines, but by putting them back, there were only like 3 time lines including the Loki one where he escaped.
I would have liked to see some callbacks to the "The Incredible Hulk"(2008) but hey, at least we had Secretary Ross show up at the end of the movie in a cameo.
I'm just starting... But I think I'm the only person who is luke warm on endgame. My watch I came out of it going "it's fine" but I wasn't blown away.
I’d watch a James Bond film set at Croydon station
I'd just settle for a movie about Croydon station. Cut out the middle man!
IF WandaVision was set in the past I think it could be about Wanda and Jarvis (the original, human version). That’d be a bit weird though...
why do you upload on monday if you're mr sunday?
Why else? Subverting expectations.
Because he's Mr Scumbag Movies
its sunday somewhere
According to Wikipedia and the trivia section on IMDB, Natalie Portman recorded new lines for the scene where she's speaking off in the distance, so technically she did do new stuff for this movie. And she attended the premier, so I guess her resentment for the MCU has subsided a bit.
I really like the idea of Tony being the AI in Peters new suit:
It’s a good way of keeping him in the universe without ruining his sacrifice.
Kind of creepy though. Literally a ghost in the machine.
I really wanted to like this movie more than I did. I grew up watching these movies and there was so much stuff in this that I absolutely LOVED! Unfortunately though there were a lot of things that left a sour taste in my mouth after being a huge fan of these films for most of my childhood and adult life. Captain America: The First Avenger was the first MCU movie I saw in theaters and he's been my favorite character ever since. I feel like this movie completely erased his character development from the last two captain america movies (which had the same writers and directors?). At the end of Cap 1 and during the first avengers movie, he was a man out of time longing for the past. But during winter soldier, he speaks to older Peggy and she tells him about her life and tells him to move on and start over. They set up Steve's arc to be about him finding a new family and a new life in the present day with the avengers, especially Natasha and Sam, and eventually Bucky. The fact that he threw that all away in this movie to be with Peggy feels weird and wrong to me. Like, I absolutely agree with the choice to have Steve retire. He deserves a rest after all he's done for humanity, and I think Sam was the best choice to carry on the mantle of Captain America. That being said, even disregarding the fact that him coming back as an old man screws up the time travel logic of the movie and has some very heavy implications (did he just leave Bucky under Hydra control that whole time? did he knowingly erase Peggy's family?), him choosing to go back effectively erases the entire idea of him finding a new family in the present day. Obviously we know Peggy missed him immensely, but won't his avengers family miss him too?
*This also cheapens Natasha's beautiful sacrifice. The reason her and steve's friendship was so beautiful is that on the surface level, they're morally opposite characters, but they both want the same thing: a family and a home. Natasha died protecting her found family, had NO FUNERAL OR MEMORIAL, and then Steve left behind that same family to go be with a woman who had an entire life lived that Steve KNEW about. Not to mention the fact that Steve and Bucky's friendship, the emotional core of the last two captain america movies, barely gets any screen time in either Avengers 3 or 4, especially compared to other important relationships like Peter and Tony. Steve has every right to be selfish after what he's given to the world, but I thought his selfish act was going against Tony to protect Bucky in civil war. It was so heartbreaking watching that final scene, knowing that Bucky knew what he was about to do. Damn I wish I could love this movie more, but of all the things they called back to in this, Steve's character growth was not one of them. Instead of getting rewarded for paying attention to these characters, I felt confused and empty. There were other things I disliked about the movie, but this really tipped it over the edge for me. Needless to say, I have very mixed feelings about all this.
That being said, here's a list of things that I absolutely adored:
- professor hulk
- scott lang
- natasha's arc*
- tony's arc was so beautiful
- tony and morgan (I love you 3000)
- CAP LIFTING MJIOLNIR!
- the final battle scene was incredible and steve saying "Avengers Assemble" gave me chills!
- NEBULA!!!!!
- steve fighting himself
- the scene with happy and morgan made me sob
Natalie Rogers I agree but being devils advocate I would say he moves on originally as he has no other choice and finds a new purpose with the avengers but after going back to the past and seeing Peggy makes him realise if he lives and they are successful , then he can return and finally have a win for himself and like he said at the start of the movie she was the love of his life. I thought it was the perfect bookend to his character and was so so happy he ended up with Peggy. I’m kinda conflicted on it too be honest!
Chris Spink that's fair. I never thought about it like that! Very interesting way of looking at that scene. I feel like it would have felt more genuine if he had had more screen time with Bucky in the past two movies where they could really find closure with each other before Steve decides to leave. I also thought the scene where he sees Peggy would have been a good opportunity to actually see that she's moved on. Instead of putting a picture of him on the desk, they should have also had pictures of her husband, her kids, her shaking hands with the president, etc. Basically Steve looks in on her life and sees that she's moved on so even though he misses her, he realizes she found her home and her family and that he found that too in the present day.
Natalie Rogers yeah that’s also a fair point, Cap America, saviour of the galaxy and home wrecker by changing the past 😂😂
5:58 I'm commenting in April 2023. Nothing will lure Sean Connery back anymore.
I personally had a great audience both times I went and I loved it even more the 2nd time just like Maso, probably for the same reason.
Mineshooterx whats the same reason
The first time I saw Endgame I really expected/wanted certain stuff to happen. Which led to me thinking about the events (or rather the events that didn’t happen) during the movie. The second time I saw it I already knew what was gonna happen so I was never suprised in a bad way. I could just fully focus on what was happening without guessing what was gonna happen next ......I think 😂 l
Also, when it comes to Black Widow forget telling a spy story. Tell a cosmic Black Widow story, where she has to fight her way out of the underworld. You could use Hel and bring back Hela, or go for Mistress Death
The ancient one was jus referring to the stones as weapons. All she said was without these big guns we cnt protect rselfs and the bad guys will win. Specifically she was talking about needing the time stone to beat dormmomu in Dr. Strange. TLDR - without these the bad guys will kill us
Seen it for the 3rd time now
One question though: If Cap went back and lived out his life then what happened to the Cap of that time that already existed in that time?
Also, how did he return the soul stone, let alone the others.
@@smoothred9453 My guess is he had a ship with him that Ant-Man shrunk.
waterlegend72 I think he's still in the ice.
waterlegend72 he was frozen guy
Spoiler Warning
1. My assumption was whatever issue their is with Loki leaving will be resolved in his own solo series. Maybe the series ends with him travel back to New York to turn himself in so he doesnt screw up the timeline.
2. With Tony snaps his fingers instead of killing Thanos, he just resets the timeline so they exist back in 2014 again with no knowledge of what they've seen from the future.
3. I think Captain America just keeps his head down and it basically introduces the idea that throughout the MCU their has always been 2 Captain Americas. The original one that got stuck in the ice and the one from the future just reliving everything with Peggy.
If they would of created an alternative timeline then old cap wouldn't have shown up at the end. He would be in whatever timeline they created and not the original one
Saw this six times in the theater. Russo's have made my three favorite MCU films in TWS, Infinity War and Endgame.
U guys should watch Doom Patrol it’s rlly good and I think you’d love it.
I will never forget that when I saw endgame the audience clapped when Hawkeye's family died.
Hah
I liked Endgame more, but I think Infinity War is more (re)watchable.
One long 6 hour movie? Haha
I think the thing with Endgame is, for it to be totally effective, you gotta watch Infinity War then Endgame straight after.
I think what The Ancient One meant by having to bring back the stones. Wasn't so much that if you bring them back the timeline will be fixed and back to normal. But more so that if they take the stones that those timelines would become like the darkest possible timelines they could be. Which means that them taking the stones and whatever else they did that would infect the timelines. Even if they return them before and that timeline goes on the same way it did. There is still now another timeline that was created that branched off from that. So your gonna have a 2012 timeline that went exactly as it did in Avengers. But your also gonna get another timeline that branched from that which has a ton of changes. As your gonna have a Loki that is on the loose. Your also gonna have a Capt America who remembers fighting himself and that Bucky is alive. That Cap is also gonna have a lot of shit to take care of seeing how his other self said Hail Hydra in the elevator. So your gonna have people that think he's apart of Hydra. Which could mean the events of Winter Soldier are speed up.
captain america gains thor level physical strength by lifting mjolnir, at that point he can survive a direct punch to the face from thanos, who is hulk level strong
@ripbruz no. He would be crushed, as thanos is stronger than the hulk. In infinity war, he knocked cap down with a soft punch, bare handed.
Also the enchantment is the same from the comic, who ever lifts it, gets granted the powers of thor. Also, hence why the hammer channels the power coming from inside thor, and actually doesnt provide anything itself.
Its how asgardians artifact work, remember thor magic belt? It also does provide inherit strength the same way to any below asgardian level.
So the scene where Cap says "Hail Hydra" in the Elevator has basically fucked over every Hydra agent. As in, one of them will walk up to the Cap Murica in that time zone,
"Hey Cap, I didn't see you at least weeks meeting, so you don't know about tonight's meeting. 8pm. use the hidden elevator in the basement, the new code is 93847234, Oh and can you bring cheese and pineapple, catering is a bitch with running a secret organization in the middle of SHIELD, laters"
Then Cap turns up with SHIELD agents and kills or arrests them all.
I can already tell you guys are going to get confused by the timeline. Let me save you some time. It's not wrong and everything lines up perfectly.
it clearly is broken on a fundamental level, though, aint no random youtube comment going to change that
Jay Gayrick,
I understand how it works but please explain to me how it’s broken so I can tell you how it’s not.
It is wrong because Steve grew old into the same present he left from. The divergent Dragon Ball Z timeline rules this movie established early on means if Steve decided to grow old in the past he returned the stones too, then he should have grown old in the past timelines new future made askew because of the botched time heist.
And you cant say it works by closed loop time travel rules cause Loki doesn't get away with the Tesseract in Avengers 1.
Therefore either the Old Steve Rodgers is from a different universe that the whole MCU is just a divergent timeline of and that original universe just pulled the time heist off way more smoothly, and Steve's Shield never shattered in the original timeline....or Old Steve time traveled back to his original timeline just to give Falcon a Shield he had fixed somehow.
Also the Ancient One very clearly states her universe would fall apart with the infinity stones returned to it to hold it together. But the future goes on for at least 5 years without infinity stones in it.
How are spiderman's classmates (including his best buddy) still in high school five years later when it was obvious he wasn't snapped away?
If Cap changes what has happened by staying in the fifties, why didn't he end up in an alternate reality, instead of the main reality?
Scott was away for 5 hours in the Quantum Realm, how was he supposed to find his way out by himself lol
Also that Hawkeye haircut was fly af. Signed, someone with multiple hairdressers in their family.
X-Men will join the MCU via Cables time travel mechanism.
Theyll end up in the same universe and established like that.
But first with the Fantastic four debut
Spoilers! If Captain America has always been Peggy Carter's husband.... does that mean that Sharon Carter is his niece..... which means.... you know.
Thats whaat i was thinking...*yikes*
I would loooove if something like Wanda's madness was their next challenge. Something they definitely could not so easily say "should we just go get the infinity stones again?" Maybe it would be a reformed Vision torn from her again or a prolonged time without him since he can't be formed without Tony to ground her nor Steve as a support. But with something like that Wanda would be using the team's own minds or reality warping for the majority of the story, not an external threat. It could get more Guardians/cosmic weird. Or maybe Strange would have to step up to mentor her if he hasn't, as he should.
In the conclusion maybe she's formed something for her own desires such as the House of M story, leaving everyone or maybe only a select few aware of the truth and shaken that a team member they care for is only hanging on by a thread and whether they need to do something to prevent her losing it again.
Marvel call me. 📞😊👍
Maybe a reverse House of M? Where she decides "fuck it, I'm tired of being alone" and creates the mutants or breaks reality in a way to introduce mutant kind into the universe in some way
42:30 To be fair with the rat scene, it took like 5 fucking years for something that random to happen in the context of the film.
It could have been something else, sure, but it's not as ridiculous and convenient as people make it out to be :P
Just a thought you guys put in my head....... *Spoilers* ...... what if Tony can't talk at the end as he is downloading himself into the nanite suit, he does pause before delivering is final words before the his click.... and his look is one of realization as he says "Ironman".... maybe when the time is right (the right peeps want more money) the suit could finish processing all his mind and it could wake up..... plus we do see a pretty decent quality hologram of tony right at the end..... foreshadowing?........ anyway time travel doesn't work in the film and neither does the multi-dimension thing either if you really think about all the loose ends, they seem to follow the rules of three different time/dimension travel films which all end up messing each other up at other parts of the film, but never mind.... still fun, not as much as your podcast though!!!
Re: Peter at Tony's side. I took it as Pete seeing a second father figure die in front of him (presuming they had Ben croak in his arms ala Tobey-Man...)
I saw Tony AS a (the) father figure. Parker, as far as we know in this universe, only has Aunt May. Tony offered him skills, suits, allowed him to become what he wanted, do what he believed in, etc etc. Definitely the death of a father figure
Mild spoiler:
On your left is referencing Cap constantly passing Falcon in their first interaction around the reflecting pool. Not some hospital bed!
Just Johnny Hospital bed counts too.
I think the time travel works like the Trunks universe in Dragon Ball Z. It's an alternate reality. As for the changing time I feel it's like how they say of you kill Hitler someone will take his place and time balances itself.
"Where's the nanotech gone? In his butt?"
I'm disappointed I really thought u guys would of brought up y in the hell is red skull floating? Haha
I think in terms of the time travel being universe breaking... I don't think hank pym would ever willingly give the avengers pym particles to time travel with
Wait, where did Thanos get the Pym Particles to travel forward in time to 2024? Didn't Nebula only have enough for a round trip and past Nebula used that to join up with the rest of the Avengers? The only Pym Particles left that year would be off Natasha's corpse but did they even know about that? I felt they just kinda breezed past a lot of the time travel aspects for convenience but still best movie ever.
Nebula showed him the Pym Particles. My guess is he was able to replicate them via science or Ebony Maw's magic. There are a few things that you can't think too hard on in this movie, it's still pretty damn entertaining though.
Such a great ep
6:31 "Will Smith needs a hit. He's had some big swings lately." Speaking from April 2023, I can tell you that he swung and hit Chris Rock. So I guess you were right.
@55:00 I would love to see a Disney plus marvel show of Captain Roger's putting the stones back, each episode per stone.
Way better than TV show than falcon and WS and Hawkeye v
Like did he put the either back inside Jane?
And why didn't he go back and stop Loki disappearing with the tesseract cuz that time line is fu©ked and so on.
Tell them about the mind stone and warning Tony abt Ultron
Listening in 2024: "Dr Doom is kind of an evil Iron Man" is spot on
The battle in Endgame is better than the battle on Titan, imo
And I'm sure it was longer, (depending on when you think it started. : )
I thought the guy in the support group was talking about his brother