@@persianguy1524 lmao get over yourself. redpill ideology is trash. none of you are successful, why would anyone take your advice seriously? the "best" of you are the ones taking advantage of the rest of the community to sell them "tips and tricks" and "ten step plans"
I think Destiny’s entire point is this: It’s only a game if you’re having to purposefully go out of your way to do these things. A lot of the game tactics work because they are mimicking the actual behaviors that highly desirable people do naturally. Steven is saying that is unhealthy because unless you’re doing these things as a natural part of your behavior, the facade can only last so long.
@@swordierre9341 I'll simplify it for you. It's about whether you are GENUINE or FAKE in how you do these behaviours. If you can be genuine, you'll be able to maintain these behaviours which get you relationships. If you're fake, you'll fail, often.
@@swordierre9341 yes that is what we are saying. Playing games and being fake about it (you're playing a game...its fake by definition) Is cuckboy stuff. You'll always get your partner snatched by someone real
@@faikerdogan2802 Minute 9 for me too lol. Zherka is entertaining in very small doses but a forum like this, where he's running the show, is way too much Zherka for me.
He's funny AF but the obnoxious interruptions mid sentence have me yelling at him to shut the fuck up thru the screen lol Other than that I love the zherks
@@zinoubensalah8939 If he was, he would push them and then sit back letting Destiny vent, farming the lols. The way he keeps talking at him really makes it look like that's really what he thinks and he REALLY wants you to hear it.
Dating and flirting are not the same thing. Also Zerka is a tall, handsome men with a deep voice, he doesn't have to be good at flirting, all he has to do is be somewhat nice and not absolutely retarded and he'll easily get girls.
Zherka: I'll just say it!! MONEY!! that's what girls like the most. Hot Take!! Statistics!! Also Zherka: All these millionaire RUclipsrs and editors come to me begging for advice because they're lonely and unsuccessful with women. HOT TAKE!! Tim Pool: I'm rich but feminism ruined it for me !!
I disagree with this. Statistics are one thing. In my experience, you just need to have SOMETHING to offer. If you have a car and a place to live, that’s something that applies to the most people. True. I don’t have that atm. I do have a social situation where I can regularly go, be the star, and get tons of attention, as a musician. That works for me. I get to meet and date women who are very attractive and haven’t been without a date since 15. For some it might be art. Or writing. For some it’s being really funny. For some it’s taking care of themselves and working out a lot. Bottom line: if you take care of yourself, if you can be somebody people like to be around? You’ll do great with the ladies.
I thought it was interesting how Zherka tried to pull Destiny and Sereda out of the socialist "statistics" argument, and 500 years of women being in the kitchen etc. At some point, most people will relate to dynamics on an individual level, statistics and systemic oppression be damned. That's a challenge that people on the Left (excluding Sereda I guess, i don't know her) should cut their teeth on more often.
@Matias Martinez Being singled out as "the mistake" in a list of partners literally proves the opposite wouldn't it? "The" mistake implies literally every other picks were better and that it can only be your most picked option if you never pick anything else. It also means it fails miserably at transitioning from dating to a healthy relationship since a success would remove them from the dating pool.
@Matias Martinez Destiny already said the game works. But you likely wont find a meaningful relationship just by going around fucking people playing games. theres no sincerity
riiiiight?! that hurt my soul cuz incels are cringe but simps are soooooo fucking cringe. like its the groveling for me. Also, how does he reconcile that in his mind?
It's kind of sad but Zherka seems to have self esteem issues. Destiny saying "You can play the game and get laid or you can be the best version of yourself and get laid and maybe find a good relationship in the process. Zherka responds in the negative to that. Which might mean that he doesn't believe his true self can attract women.
@@adamyooz Maybe it's just his voice? I'm an ESL and my gf just overheard me watching this and went: "Is this guy r*******?" simply based on his voice, she can't understand him.
@@johnsampson6387 If you've never talked to the girl it's creepy to give her a poem. You need to at least establish some sort of a relationship first. Even just as an acquaintance would be enough, but imagine someone you never talked to just comes up and give you a poem. That's creepy because it means that they've been watching and thinking about you while you don't even know that they exist. That's weird, it would help if you talk to them first.
@@awsomeboy360 idk man the gaming community for the most part engages within good faith acting and most gamer men on twitch are fathers that tend to take responsibility for their children and provide for their spouses. If that’s not peak chad energy, idk what is. Oh yea it’s screaming like an ape cutting people off and enforcing misogynistic tropes right ? Righhhhhht
@@singhatar0912 Sheesh wish I was in the same gaming lobbies as you were LOOL. Probably here people getting told to kill themselves at least once a day if I'm gaming.
@@Don_C06 It's not a lie, but it's his entire problem. From what I remember, Zherka genuinely wants a serious relationship, but seems to be legitimately incapable of achieving that. He's a good-looking guy and has some endearing qualities, but he pushes women away from him and self-cucks constantly.
Your comment is a cope lmao. It's not that hard to get laid if that's all you want. Being fairly popular, tall and full of yourself doesn't really hurt your chances in that department either. Just because you dislike someones personality doesn't mean they're not getting laid. Are we back in grade school? Jesus.
@@handsomebear. "are we back in grade school" Says the guy who literally came in here with a "nah-uh, you". Sounds to me like his cope really did extend to his audience. 😂
Zerka is focusing way too much on the monetary value of the candy bar and focusing too little on the sentimental value of someone remembering your favorite snack that you might not even remember telling them about. The gift isn't at all about the gift itself. The gift is a signal that you're listening to even the mundane things that your partner says which makes them feel important and that they're being heard when they speak. It's the old cliché about the "little things" and all that.
Sereda had the best take at around 28:08. She basically flayed Zherka alive. You cannot have a healthy relationship without vulnerability and trust--that's just how it is.
@@jameverywhere *The statement:* "This is how it is" --> *The reason:* "that's just how it is" --> *Conclusion:* "This is how it is". The "This is how it is" stands in for "You cannot have a healthy relationship without vulnerability and trust". You see how that's circular? Your stated reason or argument for defining it like that is: "That's just how it is".
@@jameverywhere I imagine that if someone said: _"You cannot have a lasting relationship without physical and verbal abuse-- that's just how it is."_ ...you would'nt accept that reasoning, not only because it _sounds bad_ but because it's circular. It's just a claim without any apparent basis.
@@handsomebear. I wouldn't accept that reasoning because I know of plenty "lasting" relationships that do not have physical/verbal abuse. The logic isn't circular though. It's just a claim. I'm allowed to make unsupported claims in RUclips comments, lol.
Zherka: Destiny, tell me what you do to get all these girls Destiny: _tells him everything and gives really good advice and explanations_ Zherka: NO EVERYTHING I ASKED YOU TO TELL ME IS WRONG, I ALREADY KNEW ALL THE ANSWERS, YOU ARE WRONG
Ive seen only one clip where he sounds like a genuinely good dude - talks about a reckful memory, where only reckful listens to him during a party, and later asks permission to put zherka into everland.
He just plays it up for entertainment but he def believes most of what hes talking about. The questions and confrontations he has with Destiny are always fun to watch
Destiny is right about the gifts thing. I've bought my wife several expensive pieces of jewelry throughout our 5 years together, but I've never seen her as happy with a gift as she was with an old book I got her from an antique book store that cost maybe $15. It wasn't even to read, I just thought she'd think it's pretty.
Yeah, remembering something she loved and wanted to buy but thought was too expensive or just too frivolous. Then driving back later that day and buying it for her and surprising her with it. That is something I would think very few women experience. Its super easy too, takes out the guesswork of choosing something
@@FuckinZ3braS0n Well if you look into other content creators such as Mediocre Tutorials and Reviews, Kevin Samuels, Manosphere Highlights Daily. Melanie King, and Pink Lesson Book ect.. You'll see common themes of what women are looking for, so conceptionally Zherka is right in what he is saying. He just poor with his wording and delivery.
I fell in love at 17 and still together to this day at 25, getting married in two years. Thank goodness I didn't have to do the adult dating BS and deal with dudes like this.
Right away people will ask what he does & maybe about his family. When we talk about the arranged marriages, parents are finding the rich family & stable child. And you are still young. It's very rare when the young people are very successful. We supposed to pick at age 28-35. If he doesn't, you will dump him.
Example, he is a musician or artist. Women love those guys & think they will be successful. But if he is still a poor artists after his 30th, you will dump him. You will start saying that your clock are ticking & he is unable to provide for the family. And he doesn't have to change, but you will hate him.
@@vic123 well I mean why wouldn't someone want someone else who is successful tho the guy said that her wanting a successful man was fine its okay to want beautiful people or successful people just don't be an asshole to other people and you cant really put all females under an umbrella they are people from different families from different background's I mean that's over 300 million people you are talking about there
@@vic123 im pisspoor, average looking and have a very easy time with girls without playing any retarded games. also the last 2 relationships the girl actually asked me out. whoever thinks just being a likable person (plus tiny factors like hygiene) isnt enough is beyond help.
@@knucklessonic1067 That's rep pills whole point though, improve yourself to be successful because women are attracted to success. What's wrong with that advice?
@@shrisiva4016 Red pill gives great self imporvment advice I argree but if you travel to the deeper parts of the community you will see a shit to of mysongny and sexism from my experiance while I think they give great self help you can get that anywhere like from destiny for an example I think there are just better outlets to get help for yourself outside of the red pill community.
zherka is frustrating to listen to debate because of how he is just like going on and on talking about his bullshit then barely lets people talk, then ignores their take and goes off on another tangent/ convenientyly misinterprets the information so that it seems so radical and mindless when in reality its very logical.
@@azqq1526 Declaring someone who disagrees with you as “acting” is the absolutely weakest counter argument. The dude has shit-tier takes and MANY people disagree with extensive life experience to back it up. He is a legitimate man-child and he’s going to keep banging his head against the wall and giving horrible advice until he grows up. He should be asking advice, shutting up, and taking notes. He isn’t ready for these conversations.
@@azqq1526 Isn't that exactly what I said? He is a good looking fit dudebro, of course he will score unless he is actively working to prevent it. He doesn't need redpill, so all the redpill shit he is spewing misses the point. It works for him because he is attractive, he is not attractive because of redpill knowledge. People who are less attractive won't profit because his success lies in his physical attractiveness and not his insight in human interaction, therefore his teachings will fall flat for people with "dating troubles". I find Destiny's approach more reasonable because he is a goblin and is still getting laid, so he must be doing something right.
They are both talking about different thing, Steve is talking about friendships and relationships(one night or longer) Zherka hasn't talked to a single girl for more then a week at a time. Just listen to him for more the 5 minutes and you can tell he is hella depressed.
@@dallasmoorenumberone Yeah, I honestly have heard nothing from zherka that makes me think he's interacted with any woman for longer than it takes him to fuck them.
@@dallasmoorenumberone you are lost my guy they are both making good points. Sometimes your athletic self is a nerd and that's not really gonna help you get a girl generally so you got to play the game or change who you are to get what you want
@@dallasmoorenumberone the first attack you people use is always a personal one. And it’s always the “oh you’re an incel” without any proof. You never address the point.
I'm fairly new to this space, but I have already learned Destiny's greatest strength: Keeping his head from actually exploding talking to some of these people.
Relationships are about values. Everyone prioritizes their values differently and they’re attracted to those who exude those dominant values. Make yourself a high-value individual in your way and attract those who prioritize those ways.
When I hear people talk in the way that Zherka talks about dating I immediately cringe so hard. I wonder if they actually take a minute to hear themselves speak.
he's the kinda person that when it comes to dating, he would rather have someone with no personality interest in money and willing to fuck whenever over someone who would be there if he ever got say crippled by an accident. these people dont date for love or longevity but simply making someone there cum dump( for a limited time) and paying them to do it.
@@giantmess4335 is one necessarily more desirable over the other? Some ppl look for genuine ppl while others look for cum dumpsters. Both are valid imo.
@@e77gma true but at the end of your life are you wanting only nieces nephews and distant relatives by your side or family you immediately made from your own ability to find someone and children who may be at your bedside when you finally pass on. it comes down to what you want for now cause most ppl look for instant gratification but later when shit hits the fan who will you have by your side or might your die alone.
@@giantmess4335 It's really hard to "date for love or longevity" lmao. _We can't read minds._ Many people are dishonest. It's a lot easier to date for sex cause you can just say bye if they are pretending and actually want something more. Didn't Destiny cheat on his baby mama(or was it an earlier gf?) just cause he wanted some different puss. Saying "it's over" first is simp behaviour amirite. Zherka has a point when he says Destiny is literally playing most parts of the game. He's even admitted it's to the detriment of some of the people he sleeps with cause they catch feelings, he might not intentionally work on doing that, but he isn't intentionally trying to stop either. He does lay everything out on the table when meeting someone new, which is respectable, but a lot of the girls he's been open about are pretty young and inexperienced and clearly can't handle that kind of interaction judging from the drama that sometimes followed(and that's only with the ones who are vocal about it mind you). With the amount of responsibilities he puts on the average dude that just wants to find a girl it's kinda surprising he is letting, specifically the young ones, walk into that complicated situation he's created for himself. Not saying he's a predator, but sheesh. All that just so he can get a little sexual variety. And his excuse is more or less "hey man, It's just how I am, I still get laid so why change~ lmao. Btw if you try to act a bit more like me it's incelly. hurr hurr, everyone who is doing that clearly sits with a check list and expects her legs to magically spread wide open after it's fully checked rite guise hurr durr." Not to mention he did intentionally play the "game" when he wasn't as attractive to women as he is now :V Anyway, I personally hate that part of life, the "game" or performative part. I agree with Destiny when he says acting naturally is preferable(I personally include makeup, insane push up bras and hair extentions here, I find it manipulative and plain unattractive, much like I imagine if I was a straight women I would think the same about men who hire cars or lies about who they know etc. to appear more attractive than they are), if I think someone is faking things I quickly lose interest and even thinking about faking things myself makes me cringe so hard I can't do it xd. But let's be honest the majority of people play games to get what they want, in and out of relationships. Anyone who dated at all know that people are very willing to engage in small manipulative behaviours(sometimes over years, and no it's not always easy to see when you love someone and don't want to see it) to be more attractive and less abrasive until they get what they want from the relationship, or feel safe in it/okay if it ends(every person is going to say what _they_ do is OK because _they_ know they're a good person, like Destiny with the social proofing thing). But if you're not a clearly desirable man apparently you can't take part in that game without being called all sorts of things. No wonder these people are gravitating towards online extremist communities. Obviously all the insanely exaggerated examples Destiny brings up to make it look dumb are not what anyone should do.. I've literally never seen him talk about this subject without throwing these silly strawmen left and right.
@@handsomebear. WOW fucking to fuck and never see again is easier than having a real relationship with someone. Imagine that. In America the family structure has become useless in lots of ways, number one nobody really wants true responsibility but have the upsides of having someone they can call for a booty call but a lot of people still want to try for the ideal of having more than just a grave plot and nobody giving a shit they died but showing up so they can pretend to have been close to them. Is what im saying controversial to anybody?
I couldn't honestly give a shit one way or the other because every person/interaction/relationship has its own dynamic but it just interesting to see how caught up in their own perception of reality people can be sometimes. When asked about whether or not women should be equal providers Zherka initially responds by saying "I don't care I'll pay her half" while simultaneously holding the opinion that doing that is incorrect. Meanwhile Sereda when asked about whether she pays rent or provides in her relationship she says yes but with the odd qualifier of her "driving him around, dropping him off, picking him up" with the most derisive attitude as if those actions should NEVER under any circumstances be preformed by the woman. Zherka acknowledges the game and how it must be played and that it is the only way to get ahead and isn't happy with it apparently, but he himself is unconditionally paying more than his half. Is he more concerned with getting laid or keeping his ideals straight? Red flag. Sereda is envisioning the world where her ideals of dating are met while her counterparts ideals most likely would not. How can she reasonably expect an equal relationship if she is apparently incapable of driving a person around without the power balance falling heavily in her favour? Red flag. They're both guilty of playing the game when they think it suits them best, and the point is: everyone does, so it doesn't fucking matter other than figuring out how and who to play (or not play) your game with.
Then we have Destiny who enjoys, is good at, and engages in playing all kinds of social games while signalling to his audience that he never plays anything up for personal gain, outside of all the times he admits to doing just that...but it's obviously for good reason don't ya know, because that would be sooo fake. "Chat, just think of the most extreme incel take you can imagine and that's the person who thinks dating is a game. wink wink"
Well...their own perception is reality is all they know. How can they be expected to base their worldview on anything different? Their life advice is going to be based upon the very specific experiences that they themselves have had, which don't necessarily apply at all to the next person.
@@handsomebear. Dude how are you this resistant to actual insight? No amount of red pill arguments will change the fact that anyone who actually talks to women seriously knows your worldview is bs.
Being the best plumber is the peak success, but maybe not to people who view success exclusively through the lens of social media stats, which is sad to see Zherka act like those are the only humans alive today.
@@TheEndiPL *"maybe not to people who view success exclusively through the lens of social media stats, which is sad to see Zherka act like those are the only humans alive today."* Surely that was the entire point with the description that Zherka himself set up. That Sereda wouldn't be interested in such a plumber, because it might not confer the same kind of social status OR expensive lifestyle.
@@normandy2501 *"She even said that you can make 50k and compensate for it by how you make the other person feel special."* Yes, earlier on in the conversation. From memory, when it comes to the plumber-suggestion, Sereda expressed no positive thoughts towards Zherka's suggestion, only skepticism. Also, making somebody feel appreciated by being a nice and thoughtful person isn't necessarily the same thing as having a well regarded social status. It might well coincide but you can have one without the other. *"You can work on getting more money together as the relationship goes on. Just don't be a leech."* I'm curious about this statement. If you're not ambitious enough or don't value more money in the same way, does that make one a leech in your eyes? Sereda for instance talked negatively about a frugal millionaire. Is the millionaire a leech simply because they have a different view of money and its uses?
@@normandy2501 I can agree to most of that. I'd just like to point out for the sake of clarity that just because someone wants something from another doesn't mean they can/should try to change that person in order to see that 'growth'. There's a clashing of worldviews there where just because somebody is believed to have a capacity for something, doesn't mean you can successfully extract that from them. It may well be some irreconcilable difference between parties. In that sense I'm similar to you, in that minimalism is my preferred state of being and acting in the world. For instance, I'd rather be a stay-at-home dad than maximize profit. For some women, that would make me instant 'bum'-status. Curiously, few people call women bums when they would want the same kinds of things.
Dude's with no natural charm or personality have such a hard time understanding how to get women because they see it as a game. The guys that get women regularly don't play games because it just happens naturally. It takes all of this dude's brain power to figure out women, and it's sad.
Actually great take The more you think about it the worse it gets. There are obviously things you can do to help your situation out. Look your best, be respectful, etc, basically being a half decent human being helps. After that it's a matter of either waiting or finding someone who you vibe with. If a fat fuck like me can get a girlfriend, with the kind of weird ass retarded personality I have, idk man. I think people just make shit a lot more difficult than it has to be, including myself when I really got into online dating a few years ago. Id be looking up guides on how to make women find me attractive and how certain body language is something they always pick up on and No, to get with the girl I'm with now all I did was show her a lot of respect and honesty, asked her out and that was it. I didn't spend 300$ on clothes or use any of the techniques I saw online, I was me, and it sounds cliche by saying "just be yourself" but no really, if you want to have a relationship of any value and meaningfulness just be yourself, and be a half decent human. If nobody is interested you're either unlucky or there's something about you that needs improvement. People can absolutely tell when you're not putting your best foot forward
If you said a certain type of girl than I would Understand because Zherka is famous for picking up girls in clubs and streets...and there are various IRL clips that proves it... In all his Desktop streams he plays a character and If you can't tell he is trolling than I don't know what to say... he even showed a Discord message between Destiny and him that shows they both planned various parts of this debate for trolling.
Zherka is annoying af. Trying to sound genuine but fails miserably. Just because you talk calmly and stop people from explaining doesnt mean you are "debating".
Jordan Peterson had a great point when talking about competence: you can either legitimately have it or you can simulate it, but smarter or more experienced women will always see right through that simulation. This point was in relation to narcissists/ dark triad types and it’s quite concerning how many people in the red-pill sphere, although not having this kind of personality disorder, are going for the same strategy as people that do simply because they’re being misguided by utterly disfunctional “dating experts”..
I feel like this Zherka dude’s entire worldly outlook on dating is informed by Hollywood movies and tv shows. Yeah it’s fun to meme it, but there’s no way you take it seriously.
Let's be real neither "being yourself" nor "red pill" works automatically. If you have certain flaws that you accept as part of your personality that do not conform with what is traditionally expected/desired within the market then you aren't going to get in a relationship most likely. Or at the very least it will make it that much harder. Likewise neither such advise would work for someone who is sufficiently ugly or "undesirable" based on modern standards of beauty/expectations.
@@kingmaho1 Because people love to believe there is hope and that they are in control of their lives and all it takes is behaving differently or taking different actions.
@isdnYou are speaking anecdotally with a sample size of 1. The general trend is overwhelmingly the opposite. And I'm saying this as a tall guy, it's not hard to see it's harder for shorter guys.
Men who splash their cash around to impress come across as insecure jerks. The kinds of men who have status cars and are always trying to buy people are deeply unattractive to me.
@@Dagdagandag and everyone involved will probably end up miserable with a mid life crisis at 38, I genuinely feel for ppl who pull status bullshit cuz boy if that ain’t a tell tale sign of low self-esteem and emptiness. Got a friend like that, he won’t touch that subject with a ten foot pole
@@rayclam8079 A tall handsome man splashing cash around is perceived as a baller. A short ugly man splashing cash around is perceived as an "insecure jerk".
Yeah that thing where he was positive the girl would like the thousand dollar gift card over the heartfelt gift. Most women I know would think that was in impersonal gift that had whorish implications.
As a guy that has written many poems and made personalized mixtapes for girls in the past, Zherka is absolutely right. That shit does not get you laid. However, Destiny's general advice is pretty much spot on about how to foster a loving and lasting relationship with a partner. You don't have to go all in on 'the game', but you do have to understand the basics to be effective when dating. Any other advice from playing the game is a recipe for a toxic, short-lived relationship. Do what you need to do to get in, but once you're in, be the best possible version of yourself.
Destiny made a poor argument. For one, Destiny was already in a relationship with said women. Secondly, those women already like Destiny. I think Zherka was trying come from a place of starting out from step one. Which is creating an attraction from women. I think they were arguing from two different points it seems.
There is literally no point talking to this guy. He either ignores things that don't support his belief or he distorts it into something that supports his belief.
Every time Zherka said "what would you say to people who are suffering?" or whatever, I wanted to ask him what he would say to fat people who tried dieting. There's a great analogy between red pill ideology and toxic workout lifestyles. Crash diets make you lose a ton of weight in a short time and so someone might see that and think "that's what I need to be healthy", but people who are truly healthy know that they need to change their whole lifestyle and make sustainable healthy choices and to people on the outside, that might look like they're "playing the weightloss game", but in reality they changed who they are to become a healthy person
The difference between redpill and dieting is that dieting works regardless of who you are, but redpill only works for guys who are already tall and good looking enough to women.
"John are you currently sleeping with someone?" "Yes, uh to be honest I've always been. Always, my whole life, always been hooking up with someone , always. Always." That is pure, unbridled Cope.
You can`t take dating advice from youtubers, don`t even bother. Their platform automatically brings them up in the social game. Its artificial, it mimics good social skills and power even if they are socially inapt.
They all will hold tight to the pc version of what makes you successful with women... The worst thing to do is to take advice from women on women... Though they tend to give good advice on what you should wear and how you should look, the rest of their advice is garbage lies they tell themselves..
this guys views relationships as games, and doesnt realise the purpose is to find someone who you genuinely like and who reciprocates the same feeling, lol.
Not everyone derives happiness from relationships? You sound like a dependent with mommy issues. Maybe go to therapy and figure out why you can’t be happy unless you have a partner and you project that on others. He might be perfectly content hooking up or just having more casual relationships or none of the above.
@@IBBMS I never claimed that happiness comes from monogamous relationships. I was making an observation from the video, he states that the goal is to win a woman over, in making that his goal he has objectified her like some sort of trophy. This type of thinking will never lead to a healthy relationship (friendship, monogamous, or open/poly) because people arent things to derive resources (emotional, financial, or otherwise) from. I'm actually married, spent a few years in a poly relationship, for several years before that I was happily single after a rough relationship.
I think the first point of beeing genuine is purely one of Kants imperative: to treat somebody not like a mean, but like a goal. So not a mean to get the bed, but to get to know the actual person behind
Sadly, @23:49 I think I agree with Zherka. Destiny’s poems work because they already like him and want to be with him, for whatever reason. A guy who a girl has not determined she has interest for because a lack of status or etc etc reasons, the things destiny is talking about don’t help. If a person likes you, a lot of things work for you because of that. If they don’t then trying to engage with them to create interest/ attraction requires some amount of dumb playing of games. Sadly. The person may not even realize it, but society calls it chemistry or a connection or etc. truth is, if they don’t already like you, its requires some level of playing games. I can easily say I’ve probably been with more people than the average person, maybe even destiny level and the vast majority of them don’t respond to genuine openness with attraction. They like it, but it doesn’t inherently turn anyone on unless they already like you. They will literally tell you the opposite to your face but then still not fuck with you. Everyone I’ve been with requires some level of games. Sad truth. We can say hygiene isn’t games or lax communication isn’t games sure…define it as whatever you want, but you still need to do it. And Consciously if you are like me and naturally prefer to be super genuine and open.
I don't disagree but I think you can get people's attention and "play games" without giving up being genuine. I am genuinely a flirt. I use it to my advantage when getting someone's attention. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. But I am not faking who I am to do that. If I get in a relationship, I am just as flirty inside that friendship or relationship as I was prior. But yeah, poems don't work with someone you just met unless you are at Poem Con or something lmao but there does have to be a hook and that doesn't have to lack genuineness (as Zherky suggests). You can be who you are to get someone's attention and that getting someone's attention is "the game" and if you can't hook someone, you have to genuinely change yourself for the better. Women can sense fake shit sometimes and eventually the mask slips anyways.
I empathize with Destiny here on this topic, and I think a lot of people don't get it. On everything being a game, social interactions have guides to get certain results, this can be called manipulation here, without the negative connotation. We can discern here that one of those guides is people enjoy what feels natural, which will be what seems less like a conscious effort to manipulate. Like thinking "if I agree with them, they will like me more." Or "if I disagree with them, they will like me more". Because women will enjoy the comfort of being agreed with, AND the excitement of conflicting opinions. Now these things become void if there is any feeling of a facade. If she recognizes that you are taking a conscious effort to get certain results, it makes them feel objectified. If it feels genuine, the excitement in disagreeing, and the comfort in agreement is there. That's why none of this red pill stuff will work on anyone that knows they are just running different techniques to win them over. But you can do the same shit as these fakers and get those results. The reason I empathize with this is (and I normally hate using these terms as I don't find they are great methods of describing people) I would be considered a sigma to people who adhere to these hierarchies. This classification I tell people works for attracting women. Because seeming uncaring about winning a woman over, raises your value. BUT, I add as a caveat, that I do not approach women in this manner (which is not approach them at all and being focused on whatever I like at that moment.) out of some conscious effort to make myself seem attractive. If you start acting like a sigma would, ignoring women hoping they will become attracted to you, there are factors involved that might give an unnatural vibe, and it won't work.
id have to agree. i feel that people shouldnt just bend to the other person just to go along with something since thats not being true to themselves. I hate that this game thing has just become the norm of todays society. like not caring is just cool now. being toxic is fine nowadays and screwing people over without giving a thought and messing around without others knowing is just insane to me. I feel that things like tinder and other things have really impacted how we view todays dating scene. and of course worse values ("values" that being my opinion)
you guys are taking this waaay to serious, this was one of the funniest podcasts in a long time, good banter and memes throughout. Zherka bringing the content back.
if you treat dating and relationships as a game youre literally only going to attract people that are playing the same game. it shouldnt be a game is should just be pure, honest human interaction whats so hard to understand about this.
It's hard to understand because dudes who don't understand that are legit sexist pricks that see women as an objective in a video game rather than a human. That's why this "game" exists to them, because they don't see them as humans let alone human interactions. They're fucking idiots who bought into bullshit red pill mentality and now they'll likely never get into a meaningful relationship because of it.
Like there are people in so-called "lowly jobs" like carpet cleaning who get plenty of babes. But mainly babes in specific social stratas. Not high-end people, but "normal" women. Destiny has a point, this is pretty hyper-specific advice.
I think the most important thing is just being confident in yourself and the words you say. And also understanding that you’re gonna get rejected and to not look at rejection in a super negative way and to try and get some good lessons from all your social interactions.
Facts! It's perfectly fine to have game, and as I explain in my videos, most women PREFER a guy who knows what he's doing and how to attract them vs. those that don't. Learning "game" is basically discovering how to do things that give her the most amount of pleasure within your interaction, so that she makes the CHOICE to be with you vs. chasing her away.
Zherka's dating podcast part 1.
Don't spoil who the surprise guest is in the comments.
Part 2 ►ruclips.net/video/kR1G1cDBVM8/видео.html
Dude you need to stop pretending that the redpill isnt spot on women and dating, specially in the west.
I would love to see you debate fresh and fit or kevin Samuels
i wont PEPE
@@persianguy1524 throw in Derek from more plates more dates for a superphysiological take on it
@@persianguy1524 lmao get over yourself. redpill ideology is trash. none of you are successful, why would anyone take your advice seriously? the "best" of you are the ones taking advantage of the rest of the community to sell them "tips and tricks" and "ten step plans"
Zherka definitely doesn't need any dating advice he has already met the love of his life: his own voice
TRUUUUUU
hahaha
I genuinely fucking love Zherka. Just the brutal honesty is really nice, no matter how much of a ass he is, he holds a special place in my heart.
Zherka doesn't need dating advice cuz he's a Chad
Lmfaooooo truuuuuuuuuuue
I think Destiny’s entire point is this: It’s only a game if you’re having to purposefully go out of your way to do these things.
A lot of the game tactics work because they are mimicking the actual behaviors that highly desirable people do naturally. Steven is saying that is unhealthy because unless you’re doing these things as a natural part of your behavior, the facade can only last so long.
Y E S
@@swordierre9341 Who said playing the game is gonna change your physical traits? He's talking about stuff that you can actually improve on.
@@swordierre9341 I'll simplify it for you.
It's about whether you are GENUINE or FAKE in how you do these behaviours. If you can be genuine, you'll be able to maintain these behaviours which get you relationships. If you're fake, you'll fail, often.
@@swordierre9341 yes that is what we are saying. Playing games and being fake about it (you're playing a game...its fake by definition) Is cuckboy stuff. You'll always get your partner snatched by someone real
God like comment
Oof. This guy is keeping his chat’s virginity protected.
Then date him
couldn't have said it better
This is so sad. This is how you get useless relationships
It's funny cuz if he was ugly and had the same mindset he would literally be an incel lol girls aren't onto jon for his smarts thats for sure 🤣🤣🤣
@@MinecraftGod69420 Okay "Minecraft God". I'm sure you're an excellent authority on what girls are into.
30 seconds in and I can already tell that my current level of Patience is not enough for this video.
Same! Omg if i would be in a convo with this guy i would rage from the start.. Does he know how to deal with other people at all?
İ came to comments at min 9 😂😂
@@faikerdogan2802 Minute 9 for me too lol. Zherka is entertaining in very small doses but a forum like this, where he's running the show, is way too much Zherka for me.
@@distinctisme totally agreed. İ didn't enjoy zherka all that much this show 😅
@@cofferxzor5549
No he doesn’t, you must be new to destiny lol
Zherka is entertaining but you can't take him seriously.
He needs to learn to let people speak it is super fucking annoying
He's funny AF but the obnoxious interruptions mid sentence have me yelling at him to shut the fuck up thru the screen lol Other than that I love the zherks
he always pushes destiny's buttons.
@@zinoubensalah8939 If he was, he would push them and then sit back letting Destiny vent, farming the lols. The way he keeps talking at him really makes it look like that's really what he thinks and he REALLY wants you to hear it.
right
Zherka “laying down the facts” about dating while awkwardly trying to hit on someone is the funniest shit.
Dating and flirting are not the same thing. Also Zerka is a tall, handsome men with a deep voice, he doesn't have to be good at flirting, all he has to do is be somewhat nice and not absolutely retarded and he'll easily get girls.
Zherka: I'll just say it!! MONEY!! that's what girls like the most. Hot Take!! Statistics!!
Also Zherka: All these millionaire RUclipsrs and editors come to me begging for advice because they're lonely and unsuccessful with women. HOT TAKE!!
Tim Pool: I'm rich but feminism ruined it for me !!
His ability to contradict himself is insane.
That is true that he made that contradiction but I think a part of his point was that you need money and his little red pill ideology.
@@CastrationNation Don't make up points for someone when they never made them themselves.
Looks>Status>Money>Personality
I disagree with this. Statistics are one thing.
In my experience, you just need to have SOMETHING to offer. If you have a car and a place to live, that’s something that applies to the most people. True.
I don’t have that atm. I do have a social situation where I can regularly go, be the star, and get tons of attention, as a musician.
That works for me. I get to meet and date women who are very attractive and haven’t been without a date since 15.
For some it might be art. Or writing.
For some it’s being really funny.
For some it’s taking care of themselves and working out a lot.
Bottom line: if you take care of yourself, if you can be somebody people like to be around?
You’ll do great with the ladies.
"Honey wake up, there's a new Destiny redpill debate"
couldnt have said it any better
Redpill arc >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lefty arc
That born sinner avi fire bro 🔥
Thanks bb
This dude is literally “the mistake” that damn near all girls talk about
So not the guys in prison?
@Matias Martinez yeah your right. I guess if you’re about just getting hoes and being in the hookup culture…..sounds empty as fuck to me though
I thought it was interesting how Zherka tried to pull Destiny and Sereda out of the socialist "statistics" argument, and 500 years of women being in the kitchen etc. At some point, most people will relate to dynamics on an individual level, statistics and systemic oppression be damned. That's a challenge that people on the Left (excluding Sereda I guess, i don't know her) should cut their teeth on more often.
@Matias Martinez Being singled out as "the mistake" in a list of partners literally proves the opposite wouldn't it?
"The" mistake implies literally every other picks were better and that it can only be your most picked option if you never pick anything else.
It also means it fails miserably at transitioning from dating to a healthy relationship since a success would remove them from the dating pool.
@Matias Martinez Destiny already said the game works. But you likely wont find a meaningful relationship just by going around fucking people playing games. theres no sincerity
"I may sound incelly but my actions are simpy" has to be one of most cringeworthy sentences ever constructed in the english language
riiiiight?! that hurt my soul cuz incels are cringe but simps are soooooo fucking cringe. like its the groveling for me. Also, how does he reconcile that in his mind?
Dude that was the funniest sentence I have ever heard lmao.
It's kind of sad but Zherka seems to have self esteem issues. Destiny saying "You can play the game and get laid or you can be the best version of yourself and get laid and maybe find a good relationship in the process. Zherka responds in the negative to that. Which might mean that he doesn't believe his true self can attract women.
I feel like he’s the fat dragon ball a nerd from elementary school put into an attractive man’s body and he’s really insecure about it
@@adamyooz Maybe it's just his voice? I'm an ESL and my gf just overheard me watching this and went: "Is this guy r*******?" simply based on his voice, she can't understand him.
@@wisemage0 How so? I would call it ableist at worst.
@@bennymountain1 lmfaoooo
@@bennymountain1 I mean she isn't wrong, it's mean as hell yet when you have the subject manner...
Sereda: I find poems attractive.
Zherka: NO YOU FUCKING DON’T!!!!!!!!!!
Also Zherka:
you find ME more attractive than the simps you pay you lol
Zherka clearly intellectually surpassed everybody and that’s how he knows what other people feel.
Women are creeped out when an unattractive guy writes her a poem.
@@johnsampson6387 If you've never talked to the girl it's creepy to give her a poem. You need to at least establish some sort of a relationship first. Even just as an acquaintance would be enough, but imagine someone you never talked to just comes up and give you a poem. That's creepy because it means that they've been watching and thinking about you while you don't even know that they exist. That's weird, it would help if you talk to them first.
@@RobReith I don't know...I'd be flattered to have a secret admirer. It would mean that someone actually liked me for once.
I never understood what "man child" meant, until now.
Until now? The gaming community, online community is filled to the brim with manchilds
@@awsomeboy360 idk man the gaming community for the most part engages within good faith acting and most gamer men on twitch are fathers that tend to take responsibility for their children and provide for their spouses. If that’s not peak chad energy, idk what is. Oh yea it’s screaming like an ape cutting people off and enforcing misogynistic tropes right ? Righhhhhht
@@singhatar0912 Sheesh wish I was in the same gaming lobbies as you were LOOL. Probably here people getting told to kill themselves at least once a day if I'm gaming.
Menchilds abound 😆
@@bobbobby475 lmaoooo nah their was a fuck ton of that going around too hahaha
Destiny: *tries to explain his nuanced perspective*
Incel brah: "You use too many words, i only accept one sentence explanations"
"THAT SENTENCE HAD TOO MANY SYLLABLES! APOLOGIZE!"
WEEEEEOOOWWWWDIDDLLYDIDDLLYDOOODLYEEEOOOWWWWW!!!
How is zherka an incel?
post physique
@@Kev7035 around the same time of this interaction he was making some really incelly takes. I wasnt using that label literally, it was hyperbolic.
Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
I'm farming fucking KEKWs.
Best poem ever. I'm Dead.
What's Kekw?
"I'm always hooking up with someone. Always. ALWAYS. My whole life. ALWAYS."
Damn, I've never heard such obvious cope before.
Yeah it was an obvious lie from zherka to give his audience the image of an alpha
@@Don_C06 It's not a lie, but it's his entire problem. From what I remember, Zherka genuinely wants a serious relationship, but seems to be legitimately incapable of achieving that.
He's a good-looking guy and has some endearing qualities, but he pushes women away from him and self-cucks constantly.
this dude really is a truck nut personified huh
Your comment is a cope lmao. It's not that hard to get laid if that's all you want. Being fairly popular, tall and full of yourself doesn't really hurt your chances in that department either.
Just because you dislike someones personality doesn't mean they're not getting laid. Are we back in grade school? Jesus.
@@handsomebear. "are we back in grade school"
Says the guy who literally came in here with a "nah-uh, you". Sounds to me like his cope really did extend to his audience. 😂
Zerka is focusing way too much on the monetary value of the candy bar and focusing too little on the sentimental value of someone remembering your favorite snack that you might not even remember telling them about. The gift isn't at all about the gift itself. The gift is a signal that you're listening to even the mundane things that your partner says which makes them feel important and that they're being heard when they speak. It's the old cliché about the "little things" and all that.
Sereda had the best take at around 28:08. She basically flayed Zherka alive. You cannot have a healthy relationship without vulnerability and trust--that's just how it is.
"that's just how it is." Jesus, that's some grade school level circular logic.
What? I'm defining "healthy relationship" as "relationship with vulnerability and trust". It's not circular logic, it's a definition.
@@jameverywhere *The statement:* "This is how it is" --> *The reason:* "that's just how it is" --> *Conclusion:* "This is how it is".
The "This is how it is" stands in for "You cannot have a healthy relationship without vulnerability and trust".
You see how that's circular? Your stated reason or argument for defining it like that is: "That's just how it is".
@@jameverywhere I imagine that if someone said:
_"You cannot have a lasting relationship without physical and verbal abuse-- that's just how it is."_
...you would'nt accept that reasoning, not only because it _sounds bad_ but because it's circular. It's just a claim without any apparent basis.
@@handsomebear. I wouldn't accept that reasoning because I know of plenty "lasting" relationships that do not have physical/verbal abuse. The logic isn't circular though. It's just a claim.
I'm allowed to make unsupported claims in RUclips comments, lol.
Zherka: Destiny, tell me what you do to get all these girls
Destiny: _tells him everything and gives really good advice and explanations_
Zherka: NO EVERYTHING I ASKED YOU TO TELL ME IS WRONG, I ALREADY KNEW ALL THE ANSWERS, YOU ARE WRONG
That's like me giving you a test that asks "What is 2+2?" and then you tell me verbally it is 5 while answering 4.
God damn Zherka can't stop playing a character, huh
you either die an actor or live long enough to see yourself become the role
Ive seen only one clip where he sounds like a genuinely good dude - talks about a reckful memory, where only reckful listens to him during a party, and later asks permission to put zherka into everland.
He just plays it up for entertainment but he def believes most of what hes talking about. The questions and confrontations he has with Destiny are always fun to watch
Sadly it'll never top the flat earth debate
He definitely believes this stuff.
Zherka is coping so hard with this "trillionaire grindset" - type perspective
8:45 "I'm always with someone"
Sounds like a dependence on women for validation! CRP moment.
I’d love to see these women he’s “always” hooking up with.
@@adamyooz I’m not even insinuating that they aren’t all 7+, just that the quality of individual is probably sitcom worthy
Uh oh you said the quiet part out loud
@@fungdark8270 Oh yeah that’s probably true. I thought what you were implying was the “no way this guy fucks” sentiment.
@@fungdark8270 why does that matter or their looks if that’s what he wants? Y’all unironically sound like incels. Go outside/
Destiny is right about the gifts thing. I've bought my wife several expensive pieces of jewelry throughout our 5 years together, but I've never seen her as happy with a gift as she was with an old book I got her from an antique book store that cost maybe $15. It wasn't even to read, I just thought she'd think it's pretty.
You go King
Yeah, remembering something she loved and wanted to buy but thought was too expensive or just too frivolous. Then driving back later that day and buying it for her and surprising her with it.
That is something I would think very few women experience.
Its super easy too, takes out the guesswork of choosing something
Dude fuck yea
Flexxing on your SO with expensive gifts vs actually putting thought into gifts that show that you know them. A classic lesson.
a dating podcast where zherka tells men what women want in the presence of a woman disagreeing with everything he says. incredible stuff.
Women will always disagree with a man's perspective of the sexual dating market. Doesn't make him wrong, nor make her right.
@@StoicBehavioR it also doesn't make him right either👀.
@@FuckinZ3braS0n Well if you look into other content creators such as Mediocre Tutorials and Reviews, Kevin Samuels, Manosphere Highlights Daily. Melanie King, and Pink Lesson Book ect.. You'll see common themes of what women are looking for, so conceptionally Zherka is right in what he is saying. He just poor with his wording and delivery.
Never ask a fish bla bla bla lol you know the rest
I fell in love at 17 and still together to this day at 25, getting married in two years. Thank goodness I didn't have to do the adult dating BS and deal with dudes like this.
Right away people will ask what he does & maybe about his family.
When we talk about the arranged marriages, parents are finding the rich family & stable child.
And you are still young.
It's very rare when the young people are very successful.
We supposed to pick at age 28-35.
If he doesn't, you will dump him.
Example, he is a musician or artist.
Women love those guys & think they will be successful.
But if he is still a poor artists after his 30th, you will dump him.
You will start saying that your clock are ticking & he is unable to provide for the family.
And he doesn't have to change, but you will hate him.
destiny makes a claim
beautiful girl confirms said claim
zherka laughs like a maniac and calls steven a meme
@@wisemage0 Thats assuming red pill thinking is what men need
@@vic123 well I mean why wouldn't someone want someone else who is successful tho the guy said that her wanting a successful man was fine its okay to want beautiful people or successful people just don't be an asshole to other people and you cant really put all females under an umbrella they are people from different families from different background's I mean that's over 300 million people you are talking about there
@@vic123 im pisspoor, average looking and have a very easy time with girls without playing any retarded games. also the last 2 relationships the girl actually asked me out. whoever thinks just being a likable person (plus tiny factors like hygiene) isnt enough is beyond help.
@@knucklessonic1067 That's rep pills whole point though, improve yourself to be successful because women are attracted to success. What's wrong with that advice?
@@shrisiva4016 Red pill gives great self imporvment advice I argree but if you travel to the deeper parts of the community you will see a shit to of mysongny and sexism from my experiance while I think they give great self help you can get that anywhere like from destiny for an example I think there are just better outlets to get help for yourself outside of the red pill community.
Destiny: The game doesn't exists.
Also Destiny: Beating Zherka at the game the whole time.
The clip of Jon showing Destiny's DM's during the podcast was 10/10 memes.
Destiny is always playing the game lol
@@RealFreedomMG He was memeing
@@wisemage0 Tell that to Destiny :V
@@handsomebear. That's... exactly what Destiny is saying you shouldn't do. What's your point?
@@LethalByChoice that he does it...?
it's like...Zherka graduated from Bro-university with a masters of Bro-science
He's the non tenured assistant professor of b4nGinG now
Wow it's really sad that Zherka has only ever known soulless gold diggers his whole life. That's a real shame.
No he just thinks they were all gold diggers because they didn’t like who he was as a person
Is there another kind?
@@ddawg3230 this is actually a great point that people miss. You are seeking golddiggers but then get mad at the fact that you get them? Weird.
zherka is frustrating to listen to debate because of how he is just like going on and on talking about his bullshit then barely lets people talk, then ignores their take and goes off on another tangent/ convenientyly misinterprets the information so that it seems so radical and mindless when in reality its very logical.
@@azqq1526 Calling Destinys arguments an act is S-tier gaslighting
@@azqq1526 Declaring someone who disagrees with you as “acting” is the absolutely weakest counter argument.
The dude has shit-tier takes and MANY people disagree with extensive life experience to back it up. He is a legitimate man-child and he’s going to keep banging his head against the wall and giving horrible advice until he grows up.
He should be asking advice, shutting up, and taking notes. He isn’t ready for these conversations.
@@azqq1526 No one is doubting that Zherka is successful with women. It's just probably not because of his deep philosophical insights.
@@azqq1526 You’re literally doing exactly what I pointed out was a shit-tier counter argument. 😂🤣 You’re as confused as little Z.
@@azqq1526 Isn't that exactly what I said? He is a good looking fit dudebro, of course he will score unless he is actively working to prevent it. He doesn't need redpill, so all the redpill shit he is spewing misses the point. It works for him because he is attractive, he is not attractive because of redpill knowledge. People who are less attractive won't profit because his success lies in his physical attractiveness and not his insight in human interaction, therefore his teachings will fall flat for people with "dating troubles". I find Destiny's approach more reasonable because he is a goblin and is still getting laid, so he must be doing something right.
being more authentically yourself allows people to open up more to you. like destiny's first example is spot on. if you don't like something say it.
They are both talking about different thing, Steve is talking about friendships and relationships(one night or longer) Zherka hasn't talked to a single girl for more then a week at a time. Just listen to him for more the 5 minutes and you can tell he is hella depressed.
@@dallasmoorenumberone Yeah, I honestly have heard nothing from zherka that makes me think he's interacted with any woman for longer than it takes him to fuck them.
@@dallasmoorenumberone discord nerds are always projecting depression lmfao
@@dallasmoorenumberone you are lost my guy they are both making good points. Sometimes your athletic self is a nerd and that's not really gonna help you get a girl generally so you got to play the game or change who you are to get what you want
@@dallasmoorenumberone the first attack you people use is always a personal one. And it’s always the “oh you’re an incel” without any proof. You never address the point.
I'm fairly new to this space, but I have already learned Destiny's greatest strength: Keeping his head from actually exploding talking to some of these people.
“The whole talking a lot is kinda stupid” ITS A PODCAST
Both your jobs are to talk. You're literally asking him questions. Wtf
Nothing better than awkward silences in a podcast.
Yea lol say you can't read without saying you can't read
Zherka is one of the worst podcast hosts I can imagine. And he's hosting a dating podcast? Lol
He really thinks he sees the strings that hold the universe together.
I feel like that makes it more entertaining
@@WordUser dumb insecure people make the best content thats for sure.
@@soliooss Wait... did you just say he's an alpha male, 300IQ, but he cant make it in streaming because he isn't dumb and insecure?
@@soliooss did i insult your favorite streamer? sorry mate.
Relationships are about values. Everyone prioritizes their values differently and they’re attracted to those who exude those dominant values. Make yourself a high-value individual in your way and attract those who prioritize those ways.
Zherka is so obnoxious
He's compensating and projecting this tough guy shit sooo hard, it's hilarious. That sorta "High School tactics" don't work like past 20 years old...
Man this shit was fckin hilarious
A waste of time,but still hilarious lmao
When I hear people talk in the way that Zherka talks about dating I immediately cringe so hard. I wonder if they actually take a minute to hear themselves speak.
he's the kinda person that when it comes to dating, he would rather have someone with no personality interest in money and willing to fuck whenever over someone who would be there if he ever got say crippled by an accident. these people dont date for love or longevity but simply making someone there cum dump( for a limited time) and paying them to do it.
@@giantmess4335 is one necessarily more desirable over the other? Some ppl look for genuine ppl while others look for cum dumpsters. Both are valid imo.
@@e77gma true but at the end of your life are you wanting only nieces nephews and distant relatives by your side or family you immediately made from your own ability to find someone and children who may be at your bedside when you finally pass on. it comes down to what you want for now cause most ppl look for instant gratification but later when shit hits the fan who will you have by your side or might your die alone.
@@giantmess4335 It's really hard to "date for love or longevity" lmao. _We can't read minds._ Many people are dishonest. It's a lot easier to date for sex cause you can just say bye if they are pretending and actually want something more.
Didn't Destiny cheat on his baby mama(or was it an earlier gf?) just cause he wanted some different puss. Saying "it's over" first is simp behaviour amirite.
Zherka has a point when he says Destiny is literally playing most parts of the game. He's even admitted it's to the detriment of some of the people he sleeps with cause they catch feelings, he might not intentionally work on doing that, but he isn't intentionally trying to stop either. He does lay everything out on the table when meeting someone new, which is respectable, but a lot of the girls he's been open about are pretty young and inexperienced and clearly can't handle that kind of interaction judging from the drama that sometimes followed(and that's only with the ones who are vocal about it mind you). With the amount of responsibilities he puts on the average dude that just wants to find a girl it's kinda surprising he is letting, specifically the young ones, walk into that complicated situation he's created for himself. Not saying he's a predator, but sheesh. All that just so he can get a little sexual variety.
And his excuse is more or less "hey man, It's just how I am, I still get laid so why change~ lmao. Btw if you try to act a bit more like me it's incelly. hurr hurr, everyone who is doing that clearly sits with a check list and expects her legs to magically spread wide open after it's fully checked rite guise hurr durr." Not to mention he did intentionally play the "game" when he wasn't as attractive to women as he is now :V
Anyway, I personally hate that part of life, the "game" or performative part. I agree with Destiny when he says acting naturally is preferable(I personally include makeup, insane push up bras and hair extentions here, I find it manipulative and plain unattractive, much like I imagine if I was a straight women I would think the same about men who hire cars or lies about who they know etc. to appear more attractive than they are), if I think someone is faking things I quickly lose interest and even thinking about faking things myself makes me cringe so hard I can't do it xd. But let's be honest the majority of people play games to get what they want, in and out of relationships.
Anyone who dated at all know that people are very willing to engage in small manipulative behaviours(sometimes over years, and no it's not always easy to see when you love someone and don't want to see it) to be more attractive and less abrasive until they get what they want from the relationship, or feel safe in it/okay if it ends(every person is going to say what _they_ do is OK because _they_ know they're a good person, like Destiny with the social proofing thing). But if you're not a clearly desirable man apparently you can't take part in that game without being called all sorts of things. No wonder these people are gravitating towards online extremist communities.
Obviously all the insanely exaggerated examples Destiny brings up to make it look dumb are not what anyone should do.. I've literally never seen him talk about this subject without throwing these silly strawmen left and right.
@@handsomebear. WOW fucking to fuck and never see again is easier than having a real relationship with someone. Imagine that. In America the family structure has become useless in lots of ways, number one nobody really wants true responsibility but have the upsides of having someone they can call for a booty call but a lot of people still want to try for the ideal of having more than just a grave plot and nobody giving a shit they died but showing up so they can pretend to have been close to them.
Is what im saying controversial to anybody?
Never take dating advice form a guy rocking a muscle shirt with no muscles
Lmao! Well said.
Zherka is kinda hot ngl
Well said.
Right? First Sargon, now these guys.
I couldn't honestly give a shit one way or the other because every person/interaction/relationship has its own dynamic but it just interesting to see how caught up in their own perception of reality people can be sometimes.
When asked about whether or not women should be equal providers Zherka initially responds by saying "I don't care I'll pay her half" while simultaneously holding the opinion that doing that is incorrect. Meanwhile Sereda when asked about whether she pays rent or provides in her relationship she says yes but with the odd qualifier of her "driving him around, dropping him off, picking him up" with the most derisive attitude as if those actions should NEVER under any circumstances be preformed by the woman.
Zherka acknowledges the game and how it must be played and that it is the only way to get ahead and isn't happy with it apparently, but he himself is unconditionally paying more than his half. Is he more concerned with getting laid or keeping his ideals straight? Red flag. Sereda is envisioning the world where her ideals of dating are met while her counterparts ideals most likely would not. How can she reasonably expect an equal relationship if she is apparently incapable of driving a person around without the power balance falling heavily in her favour? Red flag.
They're both guilty of playing the game when they think it suits them best, and the point is: everyone does, so it doesn't fucking matter other than figuring out how and who to play (or not play) your game with.
Then we have Destiny who enjoys, is good at, and engages in playing all kinds of social games while signalling to his audience that he never plays anything up for personal gain, outside of all the times he admits to doing just that...but it's obviously for good reason don't ya know, because that would be sooo fake. "Chat, just think of the most extreme incel take you can imagine and that's the person who thinks dating is a game. wink wink"
Well...their own perception is reality is all they know. How can they be expected to base their worldview on anything different? Their life advice is going to be based upon the very specific experiences that they themselves have had, which don't necessarily apply at all to the next person.
@@handsomebear. Dude how are you this resistant to actual insight? No amount of red pill arguments will change the fact that anyone who actually talks to women seriously knows your worldview is bs.
Zherka: "What about a plumber who makes $80k a year? You don't want that you want someone successful" I think that's pretty damn successful
Being the best plumber is the peak success, but maybe not to people who view success exclusively through the lens of social media stats, which is sad to see Zherka act like those are the only humans alive today.
@@TheEndiPL
*"maybe not to people who view success exclusively through the lens of social media stats, which is sad to see Zherka act like those are the only humans alive today."*
Surely that was the entire point with the description that Zherka himself set up. That Sereda wouldn't be interested in such a plumber, because it might not confer the same kind of social status OR expensive lifestyle.
@@normandy2501
*"She even said that you can make 50k and compensate for it by how you make the other person feel special."*
Yes, earlier on in the conversation.
From memory, when it comes to the plumber-suggestion, Sereda expressed no positive thoughts towards Zherka's suggestion, only skepticism.
Also, making somebody feel appreciated by being a nice and thoughtful person isn't necessarily the same thing as having a well regarded social status. It might well coincide but you can have one without the other.
*"You can work on getting more money together as the relationship goes on. Just don't be a leech."*
I'm curious about this statement. If you're not ambitious enough or don't value more money in the same way, does that make one a leech in your eyes?
Sereda for instance talked negatively about a frugal millionaire. Is the millionaire a leech simply because they have a different view of money and its uses?
@@normandy2501
I can agree to most of that.
I'd just like to point out for the sake of clarity that just because someone wants something from another doesn't mean they can/should try to change that person in order to see that 'growth'.
There's a clashing of worldviews there where just because somebody is believed to have a capacity for something, doesn't mean you can successfully extract that from them. It may well be some irreconcilable difference between parties.
In that sense I'm similar to you, in that minimalism is my preferred state of being and acting in the world. For instance, I'd rather be a stay-at-home dad than maximize profit. For some women, that would make me instant 'bum'-status. Curiously, few people call women bums when they would want the same kinds of things.
@@Zeeell VVomen are allowed to be the male equivalent of "losers" and it's socially accepted.
Dude's with no natural charm or personality have such a hard time understanding how to get women because they see it as a game. The guys that get women regularly don't play games because it just happens naturally. It takes all of this dude's brain power to figure out women, and it's sad.
Actually great take
The more you think about it the worse it gets. There are obviously things you can do to help your situation out. Look your best, be respectful, etc, basically being a half decent human being helps. After that it's a matter of either waiting or finding someone who you vibe with.
If a fat fuck like me can get a girlfriend, with the kind of weird ass retarded personality I have, idk man. I think people just make shit a lot more difficult than it has to be, including myself when I really got into online dating a few years ago. Id be looking up guides on how to make women find me attractive and how certain body language is something they always pick up on and
No, to get with the girl I'm with now all I did was show her a lot of respect and honesty, asked her out and that was it. I didn't spend 300$ on clothes or use any of the techniques I saw online, I was me, and it sounds cliche by saying "just be yourself" but no really, if you want to have a relationship of any value and meaningfulness just be yourself, and be a half decent human.
If nobody is interested you're either unlucky or there's something about you that needs improvement. People can absolutely tell when you're not putting your best foot forward
If you said a certain type of girl than I would Understand because Zherka is famous for picking up girls in clubs and streets...and there are various IRL clips that proves it... In all his Desktop streams he plays a character and If you can't tell he is trolling than I don't know what to say... he even showed a Discord message between Destiny and him that shows they both planned various parts of this debate for trolling.
Dude ur wife is mid, stop acting like you bagged a 10😂
@@wydmark 😂🤣😂
@@wydmark But did you see his phone?
Zherka is annoying af. Trying to sound genuine but fails miserably. Just because you talk calmly and stop people from explaining doesnt mean you are "debating".
Destiny's point that the game teaches you to mimic normal behaviors without doing any work to actually arrive to them is so good.
Jordan Peterson had a great point when talking about competence: you can either legitimately have it or you can simulate it, but smarter or more experienced women will always see right through that simulation. This point was in relation to narcissists/ dark triad types and it’s quite concerning how many people in the red-pill sphere, although not having this kind of personality disorder, are going for the same strategy as people that do simply because they’re being misguided by utterly disfunctional “dating experts”..
I feel like this Zherka dude’s entire worldly outlook on dating is informed by Hollywood movies and tv shows. Yeah it’s fun to meme it, but there’s no way you take it seriously.
He really does have that MTV dating show contestant energy
Accurate
All the content from one nights shifts worth of livestream , 10pm till 6bst in a warehouse has never been so good !! What a stream
honestly I miss the Zherka who would debate for flat earth, this red pill character is harder to buy...
Let's be real neither "being yourself" nor "red pill" works automatically. If you have certain flaws that you accept as part of your personality that do not conform with what is traditionally expected/desired within the market then you aren't going to get in a relationship most likely. Or at the very least it will make it that much harder. Likewise neither such advise would work for someone who is sufficiently ugly or "undesirable" based on modern standards of beauty/expectations.
I was looking you a comment like this. Why is this so hard for people.
Exactly. I'm a short man, so I get just as much action being myself as I do following red pilled advice (none).
@@kingmaho1 Because people love to believe there is hope and that they are in control of their lives and all it takes is behaving differently or taking different actions.
@isdnYou are speaking anecdotally with a sample size of 1. The general trend is overwhelmingly the opposite. And I'm saying this as a tall guy, it's not hard to see it's harder for shorter guys.
damn
Has Zherka always been this obnoxious? I've listened to him before and he was alright, but for this one he just seems horrible.
he gotten better for sure before he was so much worse
I think a certain podcast further rotted his brain after his unban. I don't know if he's grifting for his incel fanbase, or he's actually genuine.
Yea he sounded annoying as fuck in this lowkey
@@averagejoe9229 was it trains pod cast.?
@@singhatar0912 no. its 'freshandfit' podcast... a literal redpill/incel podcast hosted by dudes who think that women need men to succeed
Men who splash their cash around to impress come across as insecure jerks. The kinds of men who have status cars and are always trying to buy people are deeply unattractive to me.
Yet they get laid by a certain personality type of woman. These are the worst to date though
@@Dagdagandag and everyone involved will probably end up miserable with a mid life crisis at 38, I genuinely feel for ppl who pull status bullshit cuz boy if that ain’t a tell tale sign of low self-esteem and emptiness. Got a friend like that, he won’t touch that subject with a ten foot pole
You have to be attractive to be attractive. Otherwise your money will equate to betabux.
@@rayclam8079 A tall handsome man splashing cash around is perceived as a baller. A short ugly man splashing cash around is perceived as an "insecure jerk".
Yeah that thing where he was positive the girl would like the thousand dollar gift card over the heartfelt gift. Most women I know would think that was in impersonal gift that had whorish implications.
The scariest part of this video is that Zherka believes in the advice he's telling people
a lot of people do. besided Cadice owens. its the sell out mentality t hat is the only exception
Funny how listening to Destiny talk to Sargon of Akkad or Lauren Southern was infinitely more palatable and enjoyable than listening to Zherka.
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As a guy that has written many poems and made personalized mixtapes for girls in the past, Zherka is absolutely right. That shit does not get you laid. However, Destiny's general advice is pretty much spot on about how to foster a loving and lasting relationship with a partner. You don't have to go all in on 'the game', but you do have to understand the basics to be effective when dating. Any other advice from playing the game is a recipe for a toxic, short-lived relationship. Do what you need to do to get in, but once you're in, be the best possible version of yourself.
Destiny made a poor argument. For one, Destiny was already in a relationship with said women. Secondly, those women already like Destiny. I think Zherka was trying come from a place of starting out from step one. Which is creating an attraction from women. I think they were arguing from two different points it seems.
We have determined that "Nononononono" counters "Waiwaiwaiwaiwaiwai"
My life was better 10 minutes ago before I knew who Zherka was.
Zherka definitely doesn’t get laid as much as he says. You can tell by how he replies to the question he get super defensive
Good catch !
I don't think he ever gets laid.
There is literally no point talking to this guy. He either ignores things that don't support his belief or he distorts it into something that supports his belief.
Destiny or Zherka?
Zherka makes it very apparent as to why he has such a hard time with women lmao.
Zherka is peak dunning kruger.
ye I dont know, is he still in character?
@@karimshebeika8010 Oh, is he just pretending to be stupid? My bad.
Yuuuup
this
Zherka brining content right into my feeeeed
I like this guy Zherka’s energy. I like how much crap they talk and nobody gets their feelings hurt. I wish I could have conversations like this IRL.
Oh wait, where's the second part to this. That shit was too funny.
Every time Zherka said "what would you say to people who are suffering?" or whatever, I wanted to ask him what he would say to fat people who tried dieting.
There's a great analogy between red pill ideology and toxic workout lifestyles. Crash diets make you lose a ton of weight in a short time and so someone might see that and think "that's what I need to be healthy", but people who are truly healthy know that they need to change their whole lifestyle and make sustainable healthy choices and to people on the outside, that might look like they're "playing the weightloss game", but in reality they changed who they are to become a healthy person
The difference between redpill and dieting is that dieting works regardless of who you are, but redpill only works for guys who are already tall and good looking enough to women.
Is this the conversation destiny messaged Jon? If so that clip is even funnier
I have no clue but yeah i agree
Im only commenting for if someone comments the answer 😂
last time i came this early, my girlfriend was disappointed in me
Same she hates me
Gotta say, Destiny was in the wrong this time...
...for wasting his time talking to this 🤡.
"John are you currently sleeping with someone?"
"Yes, uh to be honest I've always been. Always, my whole life, always been hooking up with someone , always. Always."
That is pure, unbridled Cope.
When your attitude is "alpha" but you're actual a "kappa".
To be fair, he explained that it's a counter-play in case she's implying he was traumatized.
He *rationalized it as a counterplay because he needed an explanation as to why he ran from the question.
You're literally coping in the comment section because you're upset over someone with Zherka's ego getting laid. Get a grip of your feelings lmao.
I believe it. Women love guys like him.
One is stuck playing the impassioned protagonist in one’s Subjective Narrative of Self 🎈
Zherka guy asked Destiny what his insecurity is, while coming off as the MOST insecure person possible the entire interview lol
This is the content I've been waiting for. The zerkstiny bromance shall prevail! Prime ribbing being sold here.
Well this was more dissapointing than i expected rip. I thought Zerka would be more CTV energetic than not be able to engage with the topics.
@@wisemage0 Yeah I still like their interactions, but Zerka was less fun here, he and Destiny were kinda talking past each other the whole time.
@@wisemage0 Sereta was the sleeper hit here tho, the wife beater comment was pretty good. Deffo wanna watch the second part.
Steven and John would make great sitcom brothers.
You can`t take dating advice from youtubers, don`t even bother. Their platform automatically brings them up in the social game. Its artificial, it mimics good social skills and power even if they are socially inapt.
They all will hold tight to the pc version of what makes you successful with women... The worst thing to do is to take advice from women on women...
Though they tend to give good advice on what you should wear and how you should look, the rest of their advice is garbage lies they tell themselves..
this guys views relationships as games, and doesnt realise the purpose is to find someone who you genuinely like and who reciprocates the same feeling, lol.
I’m gonna be honest, I’m petitioning for Jon to return to his flat earth character rather than continuing this cringe red pill bro character …
This guy will never be in a healthy relationship. Guarantee you he cries himself to sleep several times a month because he isnt really happy.
Not everyone derives happiness from relationships? You sound like a dependent with mommy issues. Maybe go to therapy and figure out why you can’t be happy unless you have a partner and you project that on others. He might be perfectly content hooking up or just having more casual relationships or none of the above.
@@IBBMS that wasn't very poggers of you
@@IBBMS lol are you ok??
you cry yourself to sleep when you're not in a relationship???
@@IBBMS I never claimed that happiness comes from monogamous relationships. I was making an observation from the video, he states that the goal is to win a woman over, in making that his goal he has objectified her like some sort of trophy. This type of thinking will never lead to a healthy relationship (friendship, monogamous, or open/poly) because people arent things to derive resources (emotional, financial, or otherwise) from.
I'm actually married, spent a few years in a poly relationship, for several years before that I was happily single after a rough relationship.
I think the first point of beeing genuine is purely one of Kants imperative: to treat somebody not like a mean, but like a goal. So not a mean to get the bed, but to get to know the actual person behind
That's not very helpful for people who are genuinly unattractive ( ;
"...but to get to know the actual person behind"
...so the goal is anal then?
Can't "get to know the person" if they reject you at first sight lol.
Sadly, @23:49 I think I agree with Zherka. Destiny’s poems work because they already like him and want to be with him, for whatever reason.
A guy who a girl has not determined she has interest for because a lack of status or etc etc reasons, the things destiny is talking about don’t help.
If a person likes you, a lot of things work for you because of that. If they don’t then trying to engage with them to create interest/ attraction requires some amount of dumb playing of games. Sadly. The person may not even realize it, but society calls it chemistry or a connection or etc.
truth is, if they don’t already like you, its requires some level of playing games. I can easily say I’ve probably been with more people than the average person, maybe even destiny level and the vast majority of them don’t respond to genuine openness with attraction. They like it, but it doesn’t inherently turn anyone on unless they already like you. They will literally tell you the opposite to your face but then still not fuck with you.
Everyone I’ve been with requires some level of games. Sad truth. We can say hygiene isn’t games or lax communication isn’t games sure…define it as whatever you want, but you still need to do it. And Consciously if you are like me and naturally prefer to be super genuine and open.
I don't disagree but I think you can get people's attention and "play games" without giving up being genuine. I am genuinely a flirt. I use it to my advantage when getting someone's attention. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. But I am not faking who I am to do that. If I get in a relationship, I am just as flirty inside that friendship or relationship as I was prior. But yeah, poems don't work with someone you just met unless you are at Poem Con or something lmao but there does have to be a hook and that doesn't have to lack genuineness (as Zherky suggests). You can be who you are to get someone's attention and that getting someone's attention is "the game" and if you can't hook someone, you have to genuinely change yourself for the better. Women can sense fake shit sometimes and eventually the mask slips anyways.
42:15 The Joker laugh and constant gotcha fishing where he gets his expectations averted every set up question is hilarious
"I am more simp-y than incel-y" what a legend 🙌
It's not about his money it's about how much effort he puts into the relationship.
It that was true why do celebrity men have groupies
This podcast solely exists for Zherka to get some game, because it's been slow for him.
I empathize with Destiny here on this topic, and I think a lot of people don't get it. On everything being a game, social interactions have guides to get certain results, this can be called manipulation here, without the negative connotation. We can discern here that one of those guides is people enjoy what feels natural, which will be what seems less like a conscious effort to manipulate. Like thinking "if I agree with them, they will like me more." Or "if I disagree with them, they will like me more". Because women will enjoy the comfort of being agreed with, AND the excitement of conflicting opinions. Now these things become void if there is any feeling of a facade. If she recognizes that you are taking a conscious effort to get certain results, it makes them feel objectified. If it feels genuine, the excitement in disagreeing, and the comfort in agreement is there. That's why none of this red pill stuff will work on anyone that knows they are just running different techniques to win them over. But you can do the same shit as these fakers and get those results.
The reason I empathize with this is (and I normally hate using these terms as I don't find they are great methods of describing people) I would be considered a sigma to people who adhere to these hierarchies. This classification I tell people works for attracting women. Because seeming uncaring about winning a woman over, raises your value. BUT, I add as a caveat, that I do not approach women in this manner (which is not approach them at all and being focused on whatever I like at that moment.) out of some conscious effort to make myself seem attractive. If you start acting like a sigma would, ignoring women hoping they will become attracted to you, there are factors involved that might give an unnatural vibe, and it won't work.
id have to agree. i feel that people shouldnt just bend to the other person just to go along with something since thats not being true to themselves. I hate that this game thing has just become the norm of todays society. like not caring is just cool now. being toxic is fine nowadays and screwing people over without giving a thought and messing around without others knowing is just insane to me. I feel that things like tinder and other things have really impacted how we view todays dating scene. and of course worse values ("values" that being my opinion)
you guys are taking this waaay to serious, this was one of the funniest podcasts in a long time, good banter and memes throughout. Zherka bringing the content back.
ohno, the vid cutoff when infrared joined, this is missing all the memes august
@@peperoni_slayer8918 August has the content brain. He's for sure making a separate video for when infrared joins.
@@wisemage0 he used to be a flat earth maga bro.. I’m not surprised lmao. Character or not these people want him off the platform.
Top Tier content
if you treat dating and relationships as a game youre literally only going to attract people that are playing the same game. it shouldnt be a game is should just be pure, honest human interaction whats so hard to understand about this.
FACTS
It's hard to understand because dudes who don't understand that are legit sexist pricks that see women as an objective in a video game rather than a human. That's why this "game" exists to them, because they don't see them as humans let alone human interactions. They're fucking idiots who bought into bullshit red pill mentality and now they'll likely never get into a meaningful relationship because of it.
Like there are people in so-called "lowly jobs" like carpet cleaning who get plenty of babes. But mainly babes in specific social stratas. Not high-end people, but "normal" women. Destiny has a point, this is pretty hyper-specific advice.
Zherka : Try dating an Electrician or Plumber
Sereda : Error 404
Never seen destiny laugh at someone as much as he does at Zherka. Honestly those two would make a hilarious podcast
who's the woman and why is zherka not letting her talk?
Because he's more androcentric than Destiny.
I think the most important thing is just being confident in yourself and the words you say. And also understanding that you’re gonna get rejected and to not look at rejection in a super negative way and to try and get some good lessons from all your social interactions.
Generic bs.
@@bla-bla-bla8881 what’s wrong with being generic ?
@@MrTom806 the redpill says the same shit and goes even more in detail
Zherka picked up Tucker Max's dating book and is still living by it to this day.
Never heard of this Zherka guy but he exudes Dunning-Kreuger.
"You gotta earn flowers."
I can't with this guy. He talks so much about the importance of "game" but clearly has zero of his own.
This is the best dysfunctional duo I know
Seems like the main debate at the beginning is do you want girls or do you want a relationship.
Zherka is pure gold. This podcast was the best content in months.
Facts! It's perfectly fine to have game, and as I explain in my videos, most women PREFER a guy who knows what he's doing and how to attract them vs. those that don't. Learning "game" is basically discovering how to do things that give her the most amount of pleasure within your interaction, so that she makes the CHOICE to be with you vs. chasing her away.
It's so funny how they act like 50k is chump change when it's literally 20k higher than the median 🤣
@@andrewraby8008 old lady like your grandma ?
I don't know who Zherka is, but he clearly has no clue what Destiny is trying to describe when it comes to dating.