Eckhart is great for Star Wars lore, but this?? This just made me laugh! As if some escaped zoo exhibit could beat a Krogan in unarmed combat is hilarious. Maybe in a foot-race, but not a fight on any level. xD
@@clandorangaming I kinda bet on the brutes to their bigger stronger and durable in their own right. It's not a stomp either way but the un-biotic krogan is at a large disadvantage
@@dozergames2395 "durable in their own right" yes, but they can be paralyzed, a Krogan can't be. A Krogan also has a fairly rapid healing rate due to having more than one circulatory system to pump blood where it needs to go when physically injured, Brutes don't. A Brutes rage is literally just them losing control of their temper, a Krogans battle-rage is a chemical reaction that can be intentionally triggered during a fight that shoots a lot of natural pheromones and stuff through their bodies. Brutes lose on all sides when more than a cursory glance is done for research.
@@clandorangaming no because they base on all Canon I've seen and read they are bigger stronger and faster Kogan are more durable and I'd say on average smarter or real better at using reason in a fight A brutes rage does all the same shit you know pumping them full of all the good shit the body craves they just don't get a boost to regeneration Again it's close but the brute on average no biotics involved controls more aspects of the fight I believe either can win the brute just holds more cards
A lot of the stuff Shepard does to krogans is purely plot Armour. Krogans in Canon are shown to lift hundreds of pounds with no effort, tossing them to the side like rag dolls. Standard fire arms do little to them as well, many lore settings saying that extremely heavy weapons are required to take down even a single krogan.
Also keep in mind that in mass effect 2 onwards shepherd is a cyborg with bullet resistant skin, ceramic grafted to his bones and synthetic muscles fibers amplifying his musculature. But you also have to remember that plasma weapons and needles are super scary too. In lore a near miss from a plasma rifle will give you 3rd degree burns if your just an average marine, and a direct hit on flesh will cause 4th degree burns Ala the entire arm or limb is incinerated. A needler shard exploding in your gut will shred organs like confetti. A single overcharged plasma pistol melted through Linda's mjolnir armor and basically killed her until she got the shepard treatment from halseys since John shoved her in cryo until she could get proper medical attention. So even in round 2 if the brute is using a plasma weapon like a brute plasma rifle or even a fuel rod gun he has a very good chance of killing that krogan as biotic and kinetic barriers do not protect against extremes of temperature as stated in the codex. So if the brute gets a direct hit with a fuel rod gun on the battlemaster he had a very good chance of incinerating that krogan. In ghosts of onyx Holly in her spi suit leaped in front of Kelly and took a direct hit from a fuel rod cannon (albeit from a hunter wich is way more powerful) and she got incinerated completely, the only thing that remained was 2 blacked boot prints on the ground. In that same battle will 043 in his mark 6 armor took a direct hit from a hunters cannon while his shields were up. He wasn't incinerated but the cannon scorched his entire torso armor and melted a hole in his chest. With a plasma rifle the way I see a brute winning is by shooting him in the face in an attempt to melt his helmet and try to blind the krogan by burning out it's eyes but I honestly don't see a brute being intelligent enough to do that I think that's more along the lines of what an elite would try to do. As far as round one unarmored I think is more debatable since krogans are way tougher being able to survive being dismembered for a few minutes and a redundant nervous system but brutes are way stronger because they come from a fairly high gravity world. An angry brute nearly strangled master chief to death in his mark V armor and he described the brutes grip like that of 2 bands of steel around his throat and chief managed to escape the brutes grip by being tactical by shrimping his body and kicking the brutes chest with both feet. And keep In mind that John kicked a Drill Intructer wearing mark III power armor 8 meters away from him while he was training on reach before he received his power armor above chi ceti 4. So that kind of force was required to escape an angry brutes grip. Brutes are pretty ridiculous tbh.
Addendum: I can evision a scenario where they both die because in the book mass effect revalation (wich is the prequel to mass effect 1) a krogan battle Master named Skarr is tasked with hunting down kahlee Sanders and I think he flips a mako end over end with his biotic powers although it took him a few moments to gather that energy. So I can image the Brute fires his fuel rod cannon and as the blast hits the krogan uses its biotic abilities and flings the Brute chieftain into the side of a building. If you give the brute a gravity hammer thiers a 0% chance of him winning because he'll never get within Melee range before he's atomized by a warp throw combo.
You cannot forget about the brute leaders from the banished like atriox, decimes, voridius and pavium they I'm pretty sure atriox, decimus and voridius would have no problem killing a krogan each since pavium preferes a grenade launcher so I don't know how strong he is in hand to hand combat
The average brute weighs between 800-1200lbs and can lift multiple times their bodyweight with ease. Brutes don't fuck around. They kill people with hammers that project gravity at them lmao.
Personally, I'd still give it to the Krogan. Their hides are too tough. I mean, the codex says the only weapon that can pierce their hide is a molecular blade. Maybe the Yahgs have more physical strength, but not by much, considering the Krogan can lift solid panels of metal. And unlike the Yahg, Krogans have multiple of every organ, so should the Yahg get off a hit, the Krogan could keep going.
@@epiccarrot88 Krogans are resilient, but the difference in physical strength is enormous. There's lifting metal panels, and then there's shattering a huge metal counter with your fist, then hurling one half of it (probably weighing a few tons) across the room, all in the span of like three seconds.
bluebanana Many Elite's have been noted to see Humans as formidable warriors, there's even a report done by spartan Locke detailing how a platoon of marines were allowed to arm themselves as the Sangheilli stood in watch, it was Vel Vadame and this was a show of honor, to not kill an unarmed foe and let them fight for their right to live, so yes, if Turians are like Humans, they are a formidable force.
Haro Shito I think the Sangheili see humans more as warriors due to their fighting spirit, physically a single elite absolutely stomps even the most fit non-augmented human.
3:19 in my ME2 playthrough I was wearing the N7 helmet so the headbutt made sense. Here I just imagine shepherds head cracking open on impact with the krogan
I think you’ve forgotten to factor in the fact that a krogan can live up to a thousand years, so a regular krogan soldier could have hundreds of years of combat experience. So that could help in a hand to hand fight as well as the fact that a mortality wounded krogan enters a blood rage which increases strength and Ferociousness. Though I will concede that they might still lose to a brute like you said.
Odd doesn't feel like hundreds of years of experience when a round hits them in the head. Also there's a fallacy thinking longevity, let's say 2x the battle experience, means you are twice as good in battle. If that's the case wouldn't Humans and Salarians be the worst in Mass Effect? But STG, and N7 clearly produce monsters that contend with the best. It's similar to a old Bruce Lee quote "Doesn't make Perfect; Perfect Practice makes Perfect." Meaning if you are doing something wrong how the hell does it become right if you do it wrong for hundreds of years? You don't do train to do something right, that's impossible. You train so that it's impossible to do something wrong. Also no one wants to talk about the extremely poor and clumsy physiology of the Krogan where they are straight forward and literally lack any flexibility. It looks like if they fall over on their back they'll go full turtle. Given their short legs and arms, and large torso.
@@peternash7104 You include N7 in what should be the worst. Humans aren’t even close to the shortest living species. Humans and Turians have about the same lifespan and humans had this lifespan before joining the galactic community so this is subject to only become longer. Pretty much every notable species, drell, quarians, volus etc live about maximum 85 years. Salarians live about 40, and Vorcha live 20 years if they even survive that long. Salarians are so good at their job because they have the best technology realistically, and they’re bonafide super autists dude. They die so quickly that they’ve evolved to be able to do as much as they possibly can, and as efficiently as they can in their short life spans. Their intelligence and culture of purely seeking advancement is part of why they’re likely the most independent race and definitely the most independent race on the council. I’m not gonna lecture any further but still dude
@@imapleb4956 I didn't ask for the lecture and clearly I knew what I was talking about. But to suggest that a being that lives for thousands of years, along with the Asari are in a realm of their own, due to 'experience' is faulty. In their own damn universe, not pulling from other fictional universes, Krogan were defeated by a tag team of Turian and Salarian. Salarian built the weapon and Turian was the muscle. Meaning, at least for a time, Turian were more than enough for Krogan. Despite Krogan having overwhelming numbers. Now Krogan are significantly weaker than before and yet somehow Turian's who are like discount Elites is ignored? Nothing signifies they have any of the power, speed, ect. They freaken rip through titanium with ease. And while Shepard headbutting a whine baby one was mostly intended as a joke he was a normal human still shoved one back, sure he'd never win in a fist fight against one but a brute would rip him in half. He needs the tools and equipment. And a vast majority of Krogan do not have shields or good equipment. A vast majority still believe in correlating battle to superior genes that is resistant to the genophage. Living for a thousands years is meaningless if they are unwilling to learn something new, keep doing the same things over and over again. Asari do the same things due to arrogance and tradition, Krogan because they are stubborn, at least Turians adapt faster. Hell even the Hanar talk about breaking away from tradition and trying something new to be apart of the galactic community. All I'm saying is that the OP thousand year thing would work best for something more human not something as mindless as the common Krogan, even Krogan scientist comment how their relatives are stuck with the same faulty mindset.
@@peternash7104 Your mistake was thinking they were "defeated" had the krogan been under one banner like Wrex does at the end of the 3rd game then they Turians and Solarians would never have even made it to Tuchanka. The Krogan beat the Rachni a swarm logic type enemy that over powered and over ran every planet they came across. There is also the argument of the regeneration ability. Garrus a Turian recalled a fight with a Krogan where he would regenerate life ending blows in a few seconds, broken bones don't matter when you regenerate that fast which means the only way the Brute could win in basic hand to hand would be a killing blow to the head. Aka if the Krogan takes a broken arm or leg but still gets a hit in on the Brute its over, the Krogan will simply outlast the Brute due to regeneration. The Brutes are the imbodyment of feral strength the unarmed fight I think will be a toss up but with weapons and training Krogan win hands down.
The peak warrior for the Krogan is the Krogan Warlord not the Battlemaster. Krogan Warlords are like 10 feet tall and weigh almost a 1000 pounds and can heal injuries in a matter of seconds.
Krogan also have that suicidal "Blood Rage", trait. And they have secondary back up organs. They have a second heart, an entire second set of lungs, regenerative abilities, and FOUR testicles. The Krogan literally would have twice the balls of any Brute. That doesn't factor in that Krogan are far more intelligent and covered in scales and hide. I'm a huge Halo and Mass Effect geek, but I'm fairly certain a Krogan would deal with a Brute.
The way a Krogan Battlemaster fights also works in their favor here. Battlemasters are actually a new sort of Krogan warrior, after their species was hit by the Genophage. The Codex states that "To the Battlemaster, killing is a science" and the idea is that Battlemasters focus on turning themselves into the most lethal, singularly effective and unkillable badasses around, essentially taking a quality approach since quantity isn't an option for them. So in a one-on-one fight like that, my vote goes to the Battlemaster.
@@eternalfox1714 What about banished, a Battle master is a biotic god. What is a gravity hammer going to do, when he can tag doll you from meters away.
@@gilazuara8255 His hammer seems pretty instant to me. That and the gravity of their homeworld is pretty great so a biotic charge would do about as much as a Spartan charge against a brute. Don't think a Krgoan could stand up to gravity hammer regardless and their armour is a high strength metal and some such as Tartarus, Eshcarum or Atriox have shields.
The most interesting thing about the Krogan is that they have evolutionary traits of a prey species. The wide-side eyes, for instance. Says all you really need to know about Tuchanka.
I'd say one possible reason they are like that is because they are both the apex predator and their own prey Krogans have fought Krogans for millennia throughout their evolution i would assume this would have some effect, also while living on a planet where absolutely everything is out their to kill you it may also be possible this was a defensive mechanism that sprang up in early evolutionary stages and simply hasn't subsided.
@@thatdudeinasuit5422 have you forgotten kalros? The thresher maw so ancient that it was depicted before the genophage and strong enough to take down a reaper? The thresher maw is the Apex predator of tuchanka. The krogan are the ones to develop technology and space flight.
Yeah, Tuchanka doesn't mess around, even before the krogan nuked themselves. Kalros is so damn ancient that she predates even the nuclear war and is both strong and smart enough to take down a reaper destroyer. Not to mention that a (currently extinct) animal species that was domesticated by the krogans, the kakilosaur, was completely immune to toxin
Shepard knocked Wrex to the ground for plot reasons, they couldn't have Shepard getting fucked up and destroyed by Wrex when he's the main character. You can't take that seriously in a debate setting about who would win.
That’s what I thought too, gameplay decision. Maybe Ashley’s sniper rifle MAYBE, could’ve worked but they just wanted a stand off. Same in ME3 if Wrex is still alive and you choose to keep the Geno phage as is.
In my current playthrough I'm saving mordin so Wrex had to go but I had Ashley kill him from behind and blast him open with a shotgun. Makes more sense lore wise.
To some extent I think when you look at the Krogans abilities you could almost call them Mass Effect's Space Marines. Incredibly strong, long lives have redundant organs and heal wounds quickly, came to the galaxy's rescue in a time of colossal need and were originally colossal in numbers but due to a catastrophic event had to be reduced down to a few.
Idea: do an episode where you describe your “perfect fleet”, with access to ships from Star Wars, Halo, Mass Effect, and/or other sci-fi universes. (35th try)
Mine would have the starfleet and alliance fleet as a support fleet (Both ground as space). Klingon and Elite fleet sphere heading the attack in space. UNSC and Starfleet MACOs as ground infantry. Krogan and Klingon as ground heavies and finally, Planetary Union fleet as recon fleet. (Space). What species in each fleet is just the majority fleet. All small parts of other fleets is in every fleet to combine all strengths and polish out others weakness. Now put this fleet to the test against the Borg, Flood and Reapers fleet combined. Awsome now have a new meaning.
With those you write there i take a full Forerunner fleet, they just outclas anything in Mass Effect or Star Wars, even a lot of ships in Warhammer 40k
I don't think krogan are quite as strong as brutes but I think you may have sold their strength a tiny bit short! I'll have to check but I remember a krogan tossing an armoured human about 30ft in their air in one of the comics! Stronger than just big humans. Excellent video though! I was starting to miss these :)
@@dozergames2395 my answer is going to be biased but killing brutes in legendary is easier than killing krogan on insane difficulty. Krogan also have that stupid regen capability so I'd say krogan are stronger. Idk maybe the weapons in Halo are just way stronger.
Krogan all day. Brutes can brag about strength, but Krogan live for centuries and are battle hardened warriors to the core. They would destroy the brutes in a year
Yeah it kinda bugs me when he compares stuff to mass effect. He doesn’t really know the lore that well. Hell even in the ME2 you see a tank bred reject krogan lift a metal wall that would probably way a couple thousand pounds. And he’s only been alive for about a week
@@cpob2013 That is incredibly wrong. The Geth aren't that big of a threat compared to some of the shit in Halo, the Covenant would make relatively short work of them, and the UNSC's smart AI would effectively delete them when it comes to a cyberspace battle. Cortana, for example, was able to master how forerunner structures work pretty damn quickly while the Geth were tricked by a different AI. The UNSC and Covenant ships are also pretty massive compared to anything in Mass Effect. Some medium ships are a kilometre on average, their largest being close to six or more, while the Covenant is close to ten. Meanwhile, the largest ships in the Alliance and Turian navy's is only one kilometre. Some things in Mass Effect outclass Halo, but it would never win against the other stuff in Halo.
I'd have to give it to the Krogan. One of the reasons, besides plot armor, that spartans beat brutes has a lot to do with experience or measured violence without the savagery of the brutes. Successful Krogan have centuries of experience to draw on when they fight especially if you're going to bring in battle masters and warlords. Throw in the tech and it's not even a competition.
Yeah, I'd say one of the biggest disadvantages for the Brutes is that they often eschew technology or subtlety, and often rely on being given technology that is complimentary to their abilities. While Krogan are violent and brutish, they also generally fight smart and are more capable of using every tool at their disposal.
Well no, the Brutes were a space fairing civilization, before they accidentally nuked themselves back to pre-industrial. They’re fairly smart, probably about as smart as humans considering how we’ll likely end up much like them to an extent. When you do consider the equipment they’ve been given, a Brute War Chieftain with a fuel rod canon would dominate no matter what, the shields and fire power. Brutes during the tail end of the war especially were surprisingly calm, only berserking as a last ditch effort when their armor is gone and their allies are too.
@@dungeonguy88 until you consider that even a charged plasma pistol shot was enough to nearly kill Linda, one of the best Spartan IIs, or how a fuel rod fully disintegrated a Spartan III in SPI Armor, and later a Spartan II makes Will in Mk VI took a fuel rod cannon blast to the chest. That single shot stripped his shields and scorched the entire torso armor, and that’s titanium that’s been given a heat resistant coating. Even a near miss with a plasma rifle is enough to leave a normal marine with 3rd degree burns, direct hits are 4th degree burns, the area hit is left completely burnt through.
@@Slender_Man_186 Isn’t the fuel rod cannon’s damage heavily reliant on radiation? If I remember right, the Krogan’s homeworld is pretty heavily irritated and they’ve evolved to withstand it. The Krogan in game compared to Lore are also very different in terms of power. Shep can tear through warlords and battle masters simply because if they followed lore, the fight would drag on for hours with how their regeneration factor is supposed to work. It’s similar to how Chief tears through brutes like they’re nothing in game. Either way, it’s a fun little debate. Personally my money would be on the Krogan. They were legit so powerful in the Mass Effect lore that the other races had to formulate a disease to stop them from taking over everything.
Yea... an Ork Warboss is capable of going us against space marines. And a space marine is basically Master Chief turned up to 11. I love Halo, but those poor brutes would get stomped.
coming up on infra-red Have you tried suggesting this on Eckhart"s discord channel? The people over there seem to influence his videos more-so than us poor youtubers.
That would be pretty interesting. I think it would play out similarly to the flood vs the SWU. if caught early, they would get annihilated easy. However, if they go unnoticed for a time or greatly underestimated in the first few engagements, they would solidly win, mostly through adaptation and attrition.
The strength difference is so big I have a hard time seeing even a peek Krogan beating the average Brute more than 10 or 20% of the time. I mean Wrex and Grunt have bulled off some impressive stuff, but there're probably examples of Brutes doing as good or better. Although I have a hard time seeing even a squad of Brutes taking down a Thresher Maw on foot. I'd kind of be interested in seeing a Halo Brute vs a Mass Effect Brute (a Reaperized Krogan/Turian hybrid).
@@Malacite No, they did a little dossiers on Waypoint back in the day. Master Chief in Mjolnir weighs a total of 994 lbs, That would make the armor around 700lbs
I do think there is one more thing to take into account with the Krogan. They can live for upwards of 1000 years, equaling LOTS of combat experience. So while I still think Brutes would win the majority of the time, I think if the average Krogan is even only 200 years old, they have enough experience to maybe only let the Brute win 7or8/10.
Justafan IV I would say that Krogans can live much longer than 1000 years. There is nothing on record talking about Krogans dying of old age in there sleep or anything like that. It's most likely their lifestyle that gets them killed, I.E. fighting all the time. Drack stated that he's over 1400 years old.
Snowblind Also their blood rage would close the strength gap by a great amount and increase the krogans regeneration rates that would make it win more often
Regardless of how we all feel (and I absolutely love Krogans) the fact is that even a fully armoured Krogan warlord, the oldest strongest most badass Krogan, can be easily picked up by one arm of a brute and thrown like it was playing fetch. So I imagine with the other arm it would peel the Krogans head off. Its like an Elephant fighting a Rhino.
I kinda feel like it's a hard comparison, Krogan are talked up and talked about but due to the mass effect engine and cheesy cutscenes, you never actually get to see them use there powers in a realistic way. like yeah shepard smacked him out, but grunt also jumped in to a shuttle and basically knocked it out of the sky. their strength is never really displayed in any great way due to the limitations of the games engine. where as in the Halo world we are able to physically see more of how the Brutes actually operate and conduct themselves and their physiology
@@braydoxastora5584 he isn't technically. He is the best of krogan but his abilities are not enhanced beyond that. he isn't even biotic. He is just top 0.01% of krogan population physically. But yeah writing is not exactly consistent. Plus gameplay varies a lot by game. They would be extremely hard to beat in game if they reflected their codex entry accurately
@@braydoxastora5584 wrex our best boi krogan fat ass jumped on a shuttle in me3 and made that bitch land. He wasn't up high, he didn't hit anything crucial he just landed on the roof. So the grunt comparison still works.
Actually Brutes are waaay stronger than Spartans, at least 5 to 10 times, when a Brute puts his hands on you it doesn't matter if you are a Spartan or a Elite you are screw.
Pro-tip: Just spend 5 seconds to convince the Brute that blowing what little brains it has out will give them an amazing afterlife. The problem solves itself.
The brutes themselves already have some level of gravitational mastery, we've seen that the grav hammer can attract objects both living and mechanical so brute chieftan say tartarus could could just as easily toss around a krogan without touching him, and i doubt a biotic shield would stand up to a gravity hammer
Maybe. But if starwars has taught us anything then its that a tool like the grav hammer doesnt mean much if your oponent can lift you off the floor without touching you.
They can have barriers just like a cheiften can. Also they can learn push, warp, and smash which would all kill any brute. Wouldn't need to even get near them either.
Shields in Halo are nothing compared to barriers in ME. Unfortunately the tradeoff is that they don't protect against plasma or DEW's. Plus what's stopping a Biotic Krogan from tossing him around? The shields in Halo aren't going to protect from the Mass Effect because they don't operate on the principle.
The big difference is that krogan's have amazing regenerative abilities and not only that krogan's can live to be almost a thousand years old so the Krogan Battlemaster would have almost a thousand years of combat experience to fall back on.
@@AngelWOLF239 in 1v1 an elite would likely outmanoeuvre a Krogan and gain the upper hand with its fighting skill and energy sword. In full scale war between the species the Krogan would win due to their durability, biotic abilities and rapid reproduction to quickly replenish numbers. Mass Effect makes it pretty clear that without the genophage the Krogan are unstoppable.
Its a difficult challenge. While Krogans are rocks, solid and massive, they are still reptiles. Cold blood cant give you a lot of energy. Brutes? Its like having a gorilla under hyper-steroids. You wont fight a gorilla, figure it out fight a Jiralhanae. A brute would play with a gorilla like we play with a puppy. A Krogan can be difficult to handle initially for a Brute, when both are fresh. But after the Krogan reaches its max heating, then the game is set. Krogan cant move or he will boil alive. Brutes just go on hitting, biting, destroying whatever there is in front of him. 😮💨 Those big boys are quite problematic to handle.
I’d have to say that this is relatively accurate. Armored and armed, even a normal, non biotic Krogan I think would be more than a match for a Brute Chieftan. I’d put them on par with a Spartan II, and we know that Spartan II’s can kill a Brute. Grunt would be a perfect example of this. Especially since we seen him tackle and take down multiple Ravagers on his own. If Grunt is comparable to a very angry and scaly Spartan, then you don’t need biotics to kill a Brute. Just a really big gun and a lot of ammo.
I don’t think so, Covenant plasma weapons in Halo are horrifying, being able to melt and even incinerate titanium. From what I understand, a Krogan’s natural armor doesn’t do much against extreme temperatures.
A big problem for Krogans is that their very top heavy. Their limbs are kinda stubby and while you wouldn't want to be in ones grip, I can't imagine them being to swing or throw a punch as much as a brute whose body has much more freedom of motion for the their limbs. Like a brute could charge a krogan and unbalance them to push them to the ground and from their the brute just needs to wail on the krogan,could take a while though. Brute might hurt his hands from the effort of smacking a giant turtle.
Master Chief Petty Officer John-S117 Zerg would win because they can evolve mutate get better without infect some advanced species the flood is an all in type that means full aggressiv e and could easily destroy any high advanced species bcs they just need to infect 1 high tech planet
I think that it's only natural that you do a Turian vs Elites analysis now! Also, amazing work on your videos, and I hope that you keep up the great content!!!
When taking into account Brute weaponry, are we leaving out Tartarus' special hammer? It has range, a pull, a pulse wave, etc. I still agree with this video in that a Krogan with tech could take out a Brute. While rare even UNSC marines can do it. However I don't see most sci-fi alien species beating brutes as they're so god damn strong, fast, and brutal. Don't underestimate Brute intelligence either. They're EXTREMELY good hunters and their entire race has a warrior culture. The best thing to do is fight a brute at a distance and pray to god they don't catch your scent and sneak up on you.
This dude also forgot something about krogans... They can live for a thousand of years, wich means they have more wisdom and experience than the brutes.
The mentality and capabilities of the Brutes makes this roughly equivalent to Krogan vs Yahg. The Krogan are known for treating combat like an art or science, so I don't think the Brutes' brute force would really be as effective as you make it sound. Would it be a hell of a challenge? Yeah. Did Grunt deal with worse and survive it in Mass Effect 3? Probably. Not to mention the fact that the Krogan healing factor seems to only get better and faster with age. I think, in the unarmed and unarmored fight, it largely would be decided by how much experience the Krogan has. One like Drack would probably not have much of an issue really, seeing as a Krogan at such an old age has basically fought everything there is to fight, while a younger, less experienced Krogan would probably lose. Another point for Krogan resiliency: blood rage. It amplifies what the Krogan are capable of and, according to lore, has had cases where the Krogan fight beyond even brain death. I second the ones saying Turians vs Elites. It'd be interesting to see the thinking and outcomes
It would have to be in overall combat since Elites are pretty strong compared to normal humans. Tactics would have to be taken into account since both are intelligent fighters.
To be fair, this was Commander Shepherd that smacked Wrex down. The best example of how strong Krogans can actually be is most likely in Mass Effect 2, where you're trying to save warlord Okeer. One of his clone troopers lifted a massive piece of ship debris to clear the way for Shepherd. Visually, it was pretty impressive, since the Krogan looked like an ant lifting something ten times larger than itself.
Chimera cuz they have much more advanced tecnology and weaponry than the locust and maybe the chimeras could turn the locust into locust-Chimera hybrid
The Yuuzhan Vong vs the Eldar. The Covenant vs the Dark Eldar. The Eternal Empire vs the Infinite Empire (inclouding all the droids and weapons they made that we see in SWTOR). Zann Consortium vs the Banished. The UNSC vs the Rebel Alliance.
My money is on the krogan, hands down. They are a lot stronger physically than I think you give them credit for, as well as their blood rage increasing their strength and durability in combat. The recoil of their trademark Claymore shotgun is stated to be enough to shatter a human's arm, yet they have zero issues using it. Not to mention that biotics completely break the encounter in favor of the krogan. But to cap it all off, krogans evolved fighting bigger stuff than them. They are explicitly stated to be a *prey species* on their homeworld of Tuchanka, so their entire philosophy in combat was developed with hitting things bigger than them as hard as possible.
Dramatic_Gaming A Brute's Gravity Hammer is literally manipulating gravity to increase the strike power and decimate whatever it hits. It has been noted to do serious damage to a tank, which implies that it is strong enough to at least injure an armored opponent
Sidonex 5176 The reason I pointed out krogans evolved fighting larger things is because all their weapons have been designed for that purpose. The Claymore makes the UNSC's M90 shotgun look like a toy in comparison, and even Brutes can't take more than a few shots from that. And then you also have the Graal Spike Thrower, which is a massive flechette gun specifically meant to rip apart flesh and cause severe wounds. And while krogans in general having biotics is rare, most battlemasters do have them purely because they provide such an advantage in combat. In a society where might makes right, the strongest individuals will naturally rise to the top. Battlemasters also weild biotic-powered hammers comparable to a Brute's Gravity Hammer.
john smith I feel like brute lore may have fluctuated over the years as during my halo experience I've never seen a brute stand that tall or feel that heavy. Also I think the point that was made about the krogan not being durable enough to withstand a brute implies that eckharts thinks that a krogan would simply not fight back, the brute is clearly a mammal and thus will have a softer exterior and will rely heavily on it's internal organs and muscle tissue to remain competent. I think whatever damage the krogan can push through either from blunt force trauma through the use of its head bone or the force that it's legs can exert would be a deciding factor in the fight. I doubt the krogan would get pummelled about and even if it did I think it would just laugh
there's something you missed about the krogans which is krogan blood rage although I doubt it would make things not really that much easier let alone guarantee victory for the krogan HOWEVER that is a very common krogan ability worth mentioning
Without biotics there is just no way a korgan can equal the raw brute (haha) strength of a brute. Even if we put them with guns a brute can tank much more fire then a krogan and let's not even get into melee weapons
Honestly, I actually doubt the tankiness of a brute compared to a Krogan. If both are fully armed and armored, you can expect the Krogan to have shields on top of their regenerative abilities. I honestly haven't read into the physical abilities of Brutes, but I don't think that they have the insane regenerative abilities that the Krogan do (if any at all). This puts the Krogan at a huge advantage in ranged combat. Because even if the Brute is closing at full speed, it's going to be taking damage while it does it, and if the Krogan can get away for even a little while, it will be back up to fighting strength in hardly any time at all. So yeah, in a short fight, a Brute should be able to take at least the same amount of punishment if not significantly more, but if the fight drags on, the Krogan takes that hands down.
I feel like overall though the Krogan’s shields are better than any the brutes use, considering the fact that it’s the primary form of protection in mass effect. The personal ballistic weapons used in Mass Effect are also way more powerful than those used by the UNSC, and they both take down their respective universe’s shields in close to equal time. So I feel with full armor and shields a krogan would probably come close to brutes in terms of durability
TheT7770ify Okay so lets correct everything you've just said. One, the Graal Spike Thrower a signature Krogan weapon can pierce the hull of a reinforced ship in one or two well placed shots, brute bones and armor dont stand a chance against that, brute weapons would be useless against a krogans kinetic barrier including the grav hammer, a Krogan blood rage brings them to strength comparible to a brute with twice the durability and fast regen on top of that. Krogans can bite a brutes arm in half if it comes to it. Simply, biotics only turned it from a 9/10 to a 10/10
To start off with, I'm glad I've found this channel, because these Mass Effect matchups are great discussion-builders. There actually ARE several strength feats for the Krogans, and they're VERY impressive. On several occasions, notably in multiplayer but also visible if you have Grunt/Wrex on your squad, Krogan are able to send all but the largest Geth flying dozens of meters with a single hit. By comparison, even a fairly small-sized Geth like Legion is able to lift and restrain a fully-armored Commander Shepard with ONE HAND and no visible exertion on Legion's part. We don't have any precise measurements on the exact power of Shepard's armor, but it affords him enough power to crush a cybernetically-enhanced human skull with one stomp, and even tank laser beam attacks, so it's probably pretty heavy. The Krogan Warlord's strength is even more impressive; his hammer attacks can straight up reduce a Geth to synthetic pulp (a feat also displayed by Grunt and Wrex, who don't have a hammer), and he can destroy an Atlas mech in under 5 hits even without his hammer. Keep in mind that these mechs are able to withstand planetary reentry, or sustained pressure in the depths of the ocean on foreign planets; it's the equivalent of causing a military-grade nuclear submarine to explode because you rammed into it with your forearm a few times. To put this in perspective, the real-world Seawolf military sub, arguably the strongest military sub ever made, uses HY-100 steel in it's construction, which has a durability of roughly 100,000 PSI, and anything in the Mass Effect universe is probably way more durable than that, but sticking to real-world comparisons...the PSI at the bottom of the Mariana Trench is just 16,000. TL;DR: In short, AT MINIMUM, getting shoulder-charged by a Krogan Warlord is over 8 times worse than being immediately teleported to the bottom of the Mariana Trench and having the weight of miles of water pressing down on you. The average Krogan might not be THIS powerful, but considering the relatively ordinary-looking Krogan Soldier can achieve similar damage, it's not too much of a stretch to say that they can be calculated similarly. So yeah, those are the Krogan's strength feats.
Is this a simple, straight up fight then? because I can imagine most Krogan can outsmart and outflank Brutes when they are say, hunting each other across an area. Krogan are born on worlds with nearly everything being bigger and stronger than them, so I dont think they would feel any need for being al Worflike about honor and such. If it is a straight fight I agree though.
@@starhammer5247 Yeah well, like you said, Atriox is Atriox. So lets up the ante: Atriox vs a Krogan Battlemaster, perhaps even a named character like Wrex. How does he deal with biotics? I don't think he has an answer to that, although perhaps if he has time to prepare.
@@sebasfrankes6501 Well he just has to know of them to come up with a counter, he isn't exactly a normal brute, after all, considering his preference to strategize and come up with plans rather than just fight upfront. A Krogan Battlemaster would give him a fight but his hammer might kick their ass. Either way though, Atriox might prefer to simply recruit them rather than fight them, he's not the Covenant so he'd be more than willing to let others into his faction.
Wrex or Grunt could take Atriox or Tartarus. Grunt fought through half a rachni hive and survived, wrex killed a thresher maw. Even an average krogan like the patriarch lived generally health after going up against a powerful biotic opponent. The brutes only have size and strength but the Krogan have strength, intelligence, and durability. I mean, I don’t think the brutes have 2 hearts, tons of redundant organs and a second nervous system.
Without biotics it's tough to decide, but the main factor if they Brutes would be allowed covenant energy weapons and tech. If allowed covenant tech Brutes could possibly win, but would be long battle of attrition. This is because energy barriers can block a lot of things, but will be taken down with enough firepower demonstrate by various UNSC weapons, especially the sniper which can take out shields in 1-2 shots depending on placement. Even if they break through like he stated the armor itself and general brute hardiness can still be a bullet sponge. If you take away the covenant tech then brute weaponry is pretty bad. I mean you have the brute shot which is basically a grenade launcher with a blade attached, the mauler which is basically a shotgun pistol with a bayonet, the type 25 carbine aka " the spiker" which is kinda like a railgun but shoots spikes instead, and the gravity hammer. Without energy weapons they would lose I think. My main reasoning is that ME tech is heavy kinetic weaponry and defense, the kinetic barriers(KB) should be able to withstand most brute weaponry besides the gravity hammer, considering kinetic shields are able to block hyper velocity rounds, explosions, plasma( incinerate is basically a plasma blast I think), particle weaponry( collector weapons). Not to mention I think KB would be able to block some plasma damage, they can stop plasma but not the heat so they would still get burned heavily, but krogan armor and regeneration could nullify that. As mentioned by others Krogans live a long time, so the average krogan would have more combat experience as well. If we stick to krogan weaponry then they would be pretty effective against brutes I think if you take the graal spike thrower which is used to hunt thresher maws, you know those giant acid spitting 30 meter long worm monsters by shooting oversized flechettes at hyper velocity meant to pierce thresher hide and create deep wound channels leading to massive blood loss. Also the standard krogan battle hammers which are basically smaller gravity hammers, but if you take away the biotic variant there is still the tech war hammer which as more damage. In conclusion I think a krogan battlemaster could beat a brute chieftain due to combat experience, krogan physiology, and specialized mass effect kinetic barriers which renders most of the brute chieftains weapons useless without a lot of sustained fire( which a krogan battlemaster wouldn't allow), and ME krogan brutal weapons. Even if brutes were allowed covenant tech I think that krogan physiology and ME KB's can stop most of it and then it's just a battle of attrition in which krogans can regenerate over time when brutes can't, even with brute bullet sponge capabilities krogan weapons are meant to bleed enemies out and since brutes can't naturally stop bleeding like krogans can they will eventually lose.
“Krogan don’t have the fury of the brute” Apparently you’ve never heard of Blood Rage. As Wrex always says: ah the benefits of a redundant nervous system.
seriously, in lore blood rage surpasses destruction of the brain and will keep thrashing limbs until total somatic death. if a krogan bit a brute's arm, then the brute somehow impaled the krogan's face, it would keep gnawing until the arm came off not to mention the durability and healing of a krogan
I think we can all agree that none of us would ever want to fight either these guys in a fist fight, especially the brutes in my opinion... they *eat* people.
here's hoping we get an rpg-esque game with someone relatively action packed sequences but heavy on lore and shit. we start in the prison guardians of the galaxy style we see naked jiralhenae, human and krogan in the decontamination chambers. but that scene is obviously fan service for you guys looking for THICC nice outro btw
Eventually tech can compensate for physical disparities. For example, regular grunt vs elite nah, easy, elite. Grunt goblin vs elite, different story. Hell it's why humans outclass gorillas despite our lacking of physical strength compared to most apes. So it makes sense a krogan master would be able to beat a brute chieften.
If Shepard is anything other than a Vanguard, I'd give the fight to Chief almost every time. Vanguard Shepard with a claymore shotgun though? Chief just gets one-shotted by the charge+shotgun combo every time.
Mars Bars I've seen this, and it almost always goes for the Elite. The reason why is because most tactics the Predator uses Elites are familiar with, but the main reason most bring up is the fact that the Predator has heat vision. Why is this a problem and not a perk? Because most Covenant weaponry uses plasma, which would appear as a massive white flash in heat vision. As soon as the Elite opens fire or uses any plasma based weaponry the Predator is blind.
Predators actually have variable spectrum vision. Thermal is just the default, they have also been known to see in visible light, ultra violet and whatever this is: ruclips.net/video/eiQD0Wk6Ekg/видео.html Heat isn't all they have.
Jiralhanae and Cure Don't know what you mean by "superior" because they have almost the same body mass and I think elites are slightly bigger. There are specially trained elites in Halo that are able to go up against Spartans and still win.
Krogan are actually very strong as they have been shown in Mass Effect 2 and in Andromeda they can burst through reinforced walls and lift debris the size of busses.
I definitely get what you mean on round 2 BUT a chieftain with a strong enough hammer, like Tartarus' Fist of Rukt, also has crazy offensive power and gravity manipulation powers
Well they have a gun that was designed to hunt Thersher Maws as one of their preferred weapons (I forget its name). Thersher Maws are 30 Meter long, Acid Spitting, sand worm with naturally Ballistic resistant armor plating on top of a thick leathery hide. It’s worth noting that in order for a Krogan to become an adult in their culture, they must fight and kill a Thersher maw in an arena. At times they are allowed a partner to assist, but the most Notable Krogan are the ones that killed their thresher maw in single combat. Like Wrex.
Skaianet the killing of a man isnt necessary merely completing the trials, and sure but it doesn't one shot the maws ite just a strong shotgun, with piss poor range, the unsc shotgun is stupid powerful. Also some proof on that source? The power of biptics is really varied and even then they still cant ragdoll though shields and they have to be able to hit their target.
Can the UNSC and the Covenant survive and beat the Angel Zeruel from Evangelion on Earth when the Covenant first attacked? Zeruel appears out of nowhere in this and is laying waste to everything and everyone that it sees and gets in it's way while trying to look for Lilith on this version of Earth to start the next Impact
The question is if the covenant ships can shoot through the AT field. Or can Mac canons? Cause that’s angles biggest advantage. Because their offensive capabilities are not really that impressive. But if the at field is not penetrated, I doubt they could sop it.
I do wonder what the weight maximum is for krogan biotics. For instance, we know biotics can not lift a Geth Juggernaut, and a fully armored brute likely weighs as much. We also know that biotics cannot bipass shields, which Brute Chieftains carry. I think the Brute carries both scenarios tbh
just a correction you got one thing wrong "we know biotics can not lift a geth juggernaut" ACTUALLY they can in ME1 biotics lift/move just about every enemy in the game in ME2 once a target has no armor or shields including all Geth platforms (most notably Geth primes) (and besides the Geth colossus) they can be lifted with biotics and in ME3 same thing applies to here BUT there is something to add biotics can slightly move dead guys including the big guys with armor health OH BTW I'd actually claim that a brute is heavier ESPECIALLY IN ARMOR than Geth juggernauts and primes
800 lbs is the largest Krogans get. Brute responds with Gravity Hammer. Crushing the Krogan with the force of gravity via gravotonic manipulation. The force that pulled that over 1,000 lbs of Spartan and armor to Atriox was him manipulating gravitational fields to pull the Spartan to him like a vortex before slaming him like a rag doll. It can also be used to push opponents or crush them under the force of gravity by making gravity around the target higher than normal. Of course Atriox is a Brute War Master. Which is a higher ranking Chieftain. Than the one taken out in Halo ODST.
Tartarus could perhaps be a match for a battlemaster, as the Fist of Rukt has some form of gravity field generator built in, which can be used to manipulate targets in a similar fashion to biotics, which could *potentially* allow Tartarus to deliver a swift killing blow by pulling the Krogan into range of the Fist (I can’t see a Krogan taking many hits from a gravity hammer).
Without the ability to manipulate gravitation and generate shields, a Krogan Battlemaster would stand no chance against a regular Brute, much less a Chieftain.
Skaianet very true. I was merely referring to the conditions outlined under the special parameter of no biotics. I absolutely agree. A Krogan Battlemaster with full access to his abilities would easily trounce not just one, but multiple Brute Chieftains.
Krogan blood rage, krogan healing factor etc gives edge. Shepard is a highly trained N7 operative. Him doing that to wrex is by no means easy but ME suits and human augmentation do give shepard some edge here. Not to mention odst fight brutes and chieftains at times and win. Don't see the vast majority of krogan suffering much. Got to get through their armor, thick plate skin, and regeneration capabilities. Also depends on what varient armor you give a krogan, weapons etc. Bare in mind mass effect can have full armor sets or mix match them. Anys poisoned environment they will be fine and do not need to eat for a long period of time due to their hump. They can outlast a brute, be just a strong, do have a more tactical edge over the brute and just better all over designed. Sure brutes can take down spartans via their strength yet atriox is a special brute, and more data is needed. Same for krogans too since yes turians asari and anyone can kill a krogan but weapons in mass effect fire at a faster rate, carry larger rounds, can be modified with special ammo, and other goodies. It is why in a ground fight your average soldier is better geared for armor piercing, disruptor ammo, cryo ammo, incidenary rounds, phasic, explosive, drill, and warp ammo rounds just butcher the brutes.
@@UncleMikeDrop spartan II didn't not get rag dolled quite easily Out in the open. Red team got ambushed by one super brute who was modified this being atrox. This is like saying a jackel can take down a spartan II or III on a 1v1 because the jackel took a clean headshot throught Kat's helmet in the back on reach. A krogan ain't super peak human, they are super soldiers. They do not need to eat or drink for weeks, they have mutiple organs like a space marine, can land on hazard planets and be fine, they have access to better weapons, ammo and such. Melee combat due to me3 lore omni tools of military grade line have blade systems and other fun goodies for the krogans to use. Plus once a krogan goes into blood rage they do not become savage like monster like brutes who throw down their weapons in the heat of the moment. Sure a young krogan undergoing "coming of age" will not have proper control but once he does his blood rage is control. Meaning all sense are henanced. And krogan lifespans are 1,000 years on average. Just most of them die early do to fighting a lot.
No mention of the krogan battle rage when they have to rely on redundant organs or their quick health regeneration that all krogan have? ...okay. Think you're missing some of the biggest things that make krogan so scary.
Actually you have that backwards. The Krogans with their insane breeding would lose in attrition because they'd have more warriors to feed arm and ship off. That along with the fact that in Mass Effect they have no real FTL and need the Relay's means that in space the brutes can out maneuver them greatly. The Brutes also have plasma weapons which literally only the Geth kind of have in mass effect and we already know how devastating that shit is even on a minor scale so bump it up to fucking 150)% with the brute plasma rifle and you've got a monster to deal with. A single brute being vastly stronger and having shields that can block both projectiles and plasma attacks which the races in ME don't have and you've got brutes knocking down starving Krogans left and right as their ships warp in from out of nowhere glassing their planets.
"Their insane breeding would lose in attrition because..." Is that why they were winning the Krogan Rebellions to the point where the Council races had to sterilise 99.9% of the whole race just to beat them? Also, Krogan can basically eat anything so starvation's not a problem for them, at least not a great one. Arming them for a war wasn't much of a problem either if I remember their lore correctly, even pre-genophage. "Having shields that can block both projectiles and plasma attacks which the races in ME don't have..." You just said the Geth had plasma weapons, so which is it? Also, I'm fairly certain that the Krogan have shields, too. :D
@@darryneaton3111Are you talking about kinetic barrier Shields or biotics, because they haven't shown biotic powers doing that in the game, or correct me if there is a specific part of the game where that specific feet you say actually happened, I've played mass effect 1 to 3 and I haven't seen it.
Really depends on which Brutes…the ones of the Covenant were usually dumb and always had fits of rage, while the ones in the Banished (from what we’ve seen) are a lot more intelligent and calculated but still have the strength of the Covenant brutes. For example in the Halo Wars 2 cutscene near the beginning, the Brutes don’t charge head first without stopping and thinking, and the lead one even makes sure to mostly cover his face with armour
If this video does well y'all can expect another vs episode soon!
EckhartsLadder do a star wars starship vs! For old time's shake!
EckhartsLadder you better do another vs episode
EckhartsLadder yes please
HALO 2 sniper jackal vs ????
FLED THE HUNTER LK vs the literal entire 40k universe. The sniper jackals will still win.
"I dont think they have the same singleminded fury midbattle as a Brute..."
Grunt: I AAMMM KROOOOOOOGAAAAAAAANNN!!!!
Wow It only just occured to me right here that Krogans look like 8 foot tall Grunts…
Eckhart is great for Star Wars lore, but this?? This just made me laugh! As if some escaped zoo exhibit could beat a Krogan in unarmed combat is hilarious. Maybe in a foot-race, but not a fight on any level. xD
@@clandorangaming I kinda bet on the brutes to their bigger stronger and durable in their own right.
It's not a stomp either way but the un-biotic krogan is at a large disadvantage
@@dozergames2395 "durable in their own right" yes, but they can be paralyzed, a Krogan can't be. A Krogan also has a fairly rapid healing rate due to having more than one circulatory system to pump blood where it needs to go when physically injured, Brutes don't. A Brutes rage is literally just them losing control of their temper, a Krogans battle-rage is a chemical reaction that can be intentionally triggered during a fight that shoots a lot of natural pheromones and stuff through their bodies. Brutes lose on all sides when more than a cursory glance is done for research.
@@clandorangaming no because they base on all Canon I've seen and read they are bigger stronger and faster
Kogan are more durable and I'd say on average smarter or real better at using reason in a fight
A brutes rage does all the same shit you know pumping them full of all the good shit the body craves they just don't get a boost to regeneration
Again it's close but the brute on average no biotics involved controls more aspects of the fight
I believe either can win the brute just holds more cards
Best Mass Effect quote from Wrex: “That’s why I like hanging out with you guys! Why shoot something once when you can shoot it 46 more times!”
When dose he say it?
@@alexejvecera6317 the citadel dlc I think
To be fair that's only a dlc quote, still a top tier line though
You can fight like a Krogan, run like a leopard, but you'll *never* be better than Commander Shepard.
Justafan IV oh shit i remember this but i don't remember where its from
I'm better then Shepard
Master Chief Petty Officer John-S117 Sir yes you are sir!
It's the Commander Shepard Song by Miracle of Sound
Kerninja the Frog Miracle of Sound. He's made some incredible songs since then
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BXOTROT ___ both angry bois
Big bois
Intelligent bois
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hairy boi
A lot of the stuff Shepard does to krogans is purely plot Armour. Krogans in Canon are shown to lift hundreds of pounds with no effort, tossing them to the side like rag dolls. Standard fire arms do little to them as well, many lore settings saying that extremely heavy weapons are required to take down even a single krogan.
Also keep in mind that in mass effect 2 onwards shepherd is a cyborg with bullet resistant skin, ceramic grafted to his bones and synthetic muscles fibers amplifying his musculature. But you also have to remember that plasma weapons and needles are super scary too. In lore a near miss from a plasma rifle will give you 3rd degree burns if your just an average marine, and a direct hit on flesh will cause 4th degree burns Ala the entire arm or limb is incinerated. A needler shard exploding in your gut will shred organs like confetti. A single overcharged plasma pistol melted through Linda's mjolnir armor and basically killed her until she got the shepard treatment from halseys since John shoved her in cryo until she could get proper medical attention. So even in round 2 if the brute is using a plasma weapon like a brute plasma rifle or even a fuel rod gun he has a very good chance of killing that krogan as biotic and kinetic barriers do not protect against extremes of temperature as stated in the codex. So if the brute gets a direct hit with a fuel rod gun on the battlemaster he had a very good chance of incinerating that krogan. In ghosts of onyx Holly in her spi suit leaped in front of Kelly and took a direct hit from a fuel rod cannon (albeit from a hunter wich is way more powerful) and she got incinerated completely, the only thing that remained was 2 blacked boot prints on the ground. In that same battle will 043 in his mark 6 armor took a direct hit from a hunters cannon while his shields were up. He wasn't incinerated but the cannon scorched his entire torso armor and melted a hole in his chest. With a plasma rifle the way I see a brute winning is by shooting him in the face in an attempt to melt his helmet and try to blind the krogan by burning out it's eyes but I honestly don't see a brute being intelligent enough to do that I think that's more along the lines of what an elite would try to do. As far as round one unarmored I think is more debatable since krogans are way tougher being able to survive being dismembered for a few minutes and a redundant nervous system but brutes are way stronger because they come from a fairly high gravity world. An angry brute nearly strangled master chief to death in his mark V armor and he described the brutes grip like that of 2 bands of steel around his throat and chief managed to escape the brutes grip by being tactical by shrimping his body and kicking the brutes chest with both feet. And keep In mind that John kicked a Drill Intructer wearing mark III power armor 8 meters away from him while he was training on reach before he received his power armor above chi ceti 4. So that kind of force was required to escape an angry brutes grip. Brutes are pretty ridiculous tbh.
Addendum: I can evision a scenario where they both die because in the book mass effect revalation (wich is the prequel to mass effect 1) a krogan battle Master named Skarr is tasked with hunting down kahlee Sanders and I think he flips a mako end over end with his biotic powers although it took him a few moments to gather that energy. So I can image the Brute fires his fuel rod cannon and as the blast hits the krogan uses its biotic abilities and flings the Brute chieftain into the side of a building. If you give the brute a gravity hammer thiers a 0% chance of him winning because he'll never get within Melee range before he's atomized by a warp throw combo.
Yep, the mass effect books are good at detailing how hard it is to kill a krogan, definitely worth a read.
You cannot forget about the brute leaders from the banished like atriox, decimes, voridius and pavium they I'm pretty sure atriox, decimus and voridius would have no problem killing a krogan each since pavium preferes a grenade launcher so I don't know how strong he is in hand to hand combat
The average brute weighs between 800-1200lbs and can lift multiple times their bodyweight with ease. Brutes don't fuck around. They kill people with hammers that project gravity at them lmao.
For the record, the "strongest, brute-force warrior" from Mass Effect would be a yahg, not a krogan...
Yahgs are overpowered. Especially the original shadow broker
Personally, I'd still give it to the Krogan. Their hides are too tough. I mean, the codex says the only weapon that can pierce their hide is a molecular blade. Maybe the Yahgs have more physical strength, but not by much, considering the Krogan can lift solid panels of metal. And unlike the Yahg, Krogans have multiple of every organ, so should the Yahg get off a hit, the Krogan could keep going.
@@epiccarrot88 Krogans are resilient, but the difference in physical strength is enormous. There's lifting metal panels, and then there's shattering a huge metal counter with your fist, then hurling one half of it (probably weighing a few tons) across the room, all in the span of like three seconds.
Well the strongest brute force halo character is the hunter goliath
@@gyrmbal7075 Well that’s unless we start bringing Flood forms into the mix (the Silentium Flood in particular)
before the fight should start, however, I recommend evacuating the entire planet first
TheRed Hawk I'm with this guy on that
Claymore Shotguns vs Gravity Hammers. Man I don't know what's worse
I wouldn't retreat if I am a Spartan 2
@@bigb2610 I love the description of the claymore. If you're not a korgan and you don't have augmented limbs your arms will break from the force.
Well obviously
Everyone: Now if the Brute has a fuel rod cannon...
Me: Looks at the M20 Cain
lol the nuke launcher
I remember in vanilla Mass effect 2 M20 Cain nuked everyone on the battlefield, including You and your team, if You used it wrong 😂
When took it on final battle in ME2, I understood why developers made it single-shot, because in other way all boss fights should be too easy
A battle that has lasted through the ages.
Furries versus Scalies.
Finally who would win is my favorite content on this channel.
Hey next you should do the Sangheilli vs Turians.
Are turians really that strong? I thought they were human level strong.
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Many Elite's have been noted to see Humans as formidable warriors, there's even a report done by spartan Locke detailing how a platoon of marines were allowed to arm themselves as the Sangheilli stood in watch, it was Vel Vadame and this was a show of honor, to not kill an unarmed foe and let them fight for their right to live, so yes, if Turians are like Humans, they are a formidable force.
Trandoshans vs Turians
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I think the Sangheili see humans more as warriors due to their fighting spirit, physically a single elite absolutely stomps even the most fit non-augmented human.
Wrex and Grunt: "We don't need luck, we have ammo!"
3:19 in my ME2 playthrough I was wearing the N7 helmet so the headbutt made sense. Here I just imagine shepherds head cracking open on impact with the krogan
I think you’ve forgotten to factor in the fact that a krogan can live up to a thousand years, so a regular krogan soldier could have hundreds of years of combat experience. So that could help in a hand to hand fight as well as the fact that a mortality wounded krogan enters a blood rage which increases strength and Ferociousness. Though I will concede that they might still lose to a brute like you said.
Odd doesn't feel like hundreds of years of experience when a round hits them in the head. Also there's a fallacy thinking longevity, let's say 2x the battle experience, means you are twice as good in battle. If that's the case wouldn't Humans and Salarians be the worst in Mass Effect? But STG, and N7 clearly produce monsters that contend with the best. It's similar to a old Bruce Lee quote "Doesn't make Perfect; Perfect Practice makes Perfect." Meaning if you are doing something wrong how the hell does it become right if you do it wrong for hundreds of years? You don't do train to do something right, that's impossible. You train so that it's impossible to do something wrong. Also no one wants to talk about the extremely poor and clumsy physiology of the Krogan where they are straight forward and literally lack any flexibility. It looks like if they fall over on their back they'll go full turtle. Given their short legs and arms, and large torso.
Also he forgot also the krogan populate like rabbits!
@@peternash7104 You include N7 in what should be the worst. Humans aren’t even close to the shortest living species. Humans and Turians have about the same lifespan and humans had this lifespan before joining the galactic community so this is subject to only become longer. Pretty much every notable species, drell, quarians, volus etc live about maximum 85 years. Salarians live about 40, and Vorcha live 20 years if they even survive that long. Salarians are so good at their job because they have the best technology realistically, and they’re bonafide super autists dude. They die so quickly that they’ve evolved to be able to do as much as they possibly can, and as efficiently as they can in their short life spans. Their intelligence and culture of purely seeking advancement is part of why they’re likely the most independent race and definitely the most independent race on the council. I’m not gonna lecture any further but still dude
@@imapleb4956 I didn't ask for the lecture and clearly I knew what I was talking about. But to suggest that a being that lives for thousands of years, along with the Asari are in a realm of their own, due to 'experience' is faulty. In their own damn universe, not pulling from other fictional universes, Krogan were defeated by a tag team of Turian and Salarian. Salarian built the weapon and Turian was the muscle. Meaning, at least for a time, Turian were more than enough for Krogan. Despite Krogan having overwhelming numbers. Now Krogan are significantly weaker than before and yet somehow Turian's who are like discount Elites is ignored? Nothing signifies they have any of the power, speed, ect. They freaken rip through titanium with ease. And while Shepard headbutting a whine baby one was mostly intended as a joke he was a normal human still shoved one back, sure he'd never win in a fist fight against one but a brute would rip him in half. He needs the tools and equipment. And a vast majority of Krogan do not have shields or good equipment. A vast majority still believe in correlating battle to superior genes that is resistant to the genophage. Living for a thousands years is meaningless if they are unwilling to learn something new, keep doing the same things over and over again. Asari do the same things due to arrogance and tradition, Krogan because they are stubborn, at least Turians adapt faster. Hell even the Hanar talk about breaking away from tradition and trying something new to be apart of the galactic community. All I'm saying is that the OP thousand year thing would work best for something more human not something as mindless as the common Krogan, even Krogan scientist comment how their relatives are stuck with the same faulty mindset.
@@peternash7104 Your mistake was thinking they were "defeated" had the krogan been under one banner like Wrex does at the end of the 3rd game then they Turians and Solarians would never have even made it to Tuchanka. The Krogan beat the Rachni a swarm logic type enemy that over powered and over ran every planet they came across. There is also the argument of the regeneration ability. Garrus a Turian recalled a fight with a Krogan where he would regenerate life ending blows in a few seconds, broken bones don't matter when you regenerate that fast which means the only way the Brute could win in basic hand to hand would be a killing blow to the head. Aka if the Krogan takes a broken arm or leg but still gets a hit in on the Brute its over, the Krogan will simply outlast the Brute due to regeneration. The Brutes are the imbodyment of feral strength the unarmed fight I think will be a toss up but with weapons and training Krogan win hands down.
The peak warrior for the Krogan is the Krogan Warlord not the Battlemaster. Krogan Warlords are like 10 feet tall and weigh almost a 1000 pounds and can heal injuries in a matter of seconds.
Average brute is 9 ft
And usually can lift 1000 pounds easily.
@@edgarruizvelasco3949 The average Krogan can lift 1000 pounds pretty easily too.
@@edgarruizvelasco3949 a warlord in armor is around twice his naked weight, brute prolly still could but not with ease.
Krogan also have that suicidal "Blood Rage", trait. And they have secondary back up organs. They have a second heart, an entire second set of lungs, regenerative abilities, and FOUR testicles. The Krogan literally would have twice the balls of any Brute. That doesn't factor in that Krogan are far more intelligent and covered in scales and hide. I'm a huge Halo and Mass Effect geek, but I'm fairly certain a Krogan would deal with a Brute.
The way a Krogan Battlemaster fights also works in their favor here. Battlemasters are actually a new sort of Krogan warrior, after their species was hit by the Genophage. The Codex states that "To the Battlemaster, killing is a science" and the idea is that Battlemasters focus on turning themselves into the most lethal, singularly effective and unkillable badasses around, essentially taking a quality approach since quantity isn't an option for them. So in a one-on-one fight like that, my vote goes to the Battlemaster.
I know this comment is 3 years old but have you metthe banished?
@@eternalfox1714 What about banished, a Battle master is a biotic god. What is a gravity hammer going to do, when he can tag doll you from meters away.
@@tinamoul Tartarus' own hammer could do the exact same.
@@starhammer5247 his hammer, not him, biotic charge him before he uses it and he is done
@@gilazuara8255 His hammer seems pretty instant to me. That and the gravity of their homeworld is pretty great so a biotic charge would do about as much as a Spartan charge against a brute. Don't think a Krgoan could stand up to gravity hammer regardless and their armour is a high strength metal and some such as Tartarus, Eshcarum or Atriox have shields.
The most interesting thing about the Krogan is that they have evolutionary traits of a prey species. The wide-side eyes, for instance. Says all you really need to know about Tuchanka.
I'd say one possible reason they are like that is because they are both the apex predator and their own prey Krogans have fought Krogans for millennia throughout their evolution i would assume this would have some effect, also while living on a planet where absolutely everything is out their to kill you it may also be possible this was a defensive mechanism that sprang up in early evolutionary stages and simply hasn't subsided.
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Or more likely is the fact that on tuchunka everything is prey.
@@thatdudeinasuit5422 have you forgotten kalros? The thresher maw so ancient that it was depicted before the genophage and strong enough to take down a reaper? The thresher maw is the Apex predator of tuchanka. The krogan are the ones to develop technology and space flight.
Yeah, Tuchanka doesn't mess around, even before the krogan nuked themselves. Kalros is so damn ancient that she predates even the nuclear war and is both strong and smart enough to take down a reaper destroyer. Not to mention that a (currently extinct) animal species that was domesticated by the krogans, the kakilosaur, was completely immune to toxin
Krogan have biotics.... end of argument
Shepard knocked Wrex to the ground for plot reasons, they couldn't have Shepard getting fucked up and destroyed by Wrex when he's the main character. You can't take that seriously in a debate setting about who would win.
That’s what I thought too, gameplay decision. Maybe Ashley’s sniper rifle MAYBE, could’ve worked but they just wanted a stand off. Same in ME3 if Wrex is still alive and you choose to keep the Geno phage as is.
@@mistersippi2945 Wrex died from that fall he was taking shot after shot and still going
In my current playthrough I'm saving mordin so Wrex had to go but I had Ashley kill him from behind and blast him open with a shotgun. Makes more sense lore wise.
Ultimately, if it can't happen in your universe, it shouldn't happen in your universe.
I would have made Wrex an INSANE extra boss fight.
To some extent I think when you look at the Krogans abilities you could almost call them Mass Effect's Space Marines. Incredibly strong, long lives have redundant organs and heal wounds quickly, came to the galaxy's rescue in a time of colossal need and were originally colossal in numbers but due to a catastrophic event had to be reduced down to a few.
Okey, ésto es sin duda muy interesante
Idea: do an episode where you describe your “perfect fleet”, with access to ships from Star Wars, Halo, Mass Effect, and/or other sci-fi universes.
(35th try)
A fleet consisting fully of Offensive Units
Do the reapers count as ships? Or are they a species? Cause that'd be a big factor when looking at the ME ships
Mine would have the starfleet and alliance fleet as a support fleet (Both ground as space). Klingon and Elite fleet sphere heading the attack in space. UNSC and Starfleet MACOs as ground infantry. Krogan and Klingon as ground heavies and finally, Planetary Union fleet as recon fleet. (Space). What species in each fleet is just the majority fleet. All small parts of other fleets is in every fleet to combine all strengths and polish out others weakness. Now put this fleet to the test against the Borg, Flood and Reapers fleet combined. Awsome now have a new meaning.
@@marcustulliuscicero5443 Nope. That would suck. Big time. Because once the offensive line are broken, you'll be finished off.
With those you write there i take a full Forerunner fleet, they just outclas anything in Mass Effect or Star Wars, even a lot of ships in Warhammer 40k
I don't think krogan are quite as strong as brutes but I think you may have sold their strength a tiny bit short! I'll have to check but I remember a krogan tossing an armoured human about 30ft in their air in one of the comics! Stronger than just big humans. Excellent video though! I was starting to miss these :)
Idk, for strength I would point to Mass effect 2 when the tank bred Krogan moves rubble for Shepard, that solid slab probably weighed over a ton...
I know I'm late but even that feat far below what brutes have done
Like useing a warthog as a melee weapon
@@dozergames2395a krogan could probably do the same thing. correct me if i’m wrong, but didn’t a krogan once completely flip a mako without effort?
@@jshrhrgahhuehtnmppl i want to say that was with biotics but if im wrong then the strenth is definitly simular
@@dozergames2395 my answer is going to be biased but killing brutes in legendary is easier than killing krogan on insane difficulty. Krogan also have that stupid regen capability so I'd say krogan are stronger. Idk maybe the weapons in Halo are just way stronger.
@@White_Wrath Using gameplay especially for halo as a reference point is idiotic, the halo games are balanced for fun and not for lore consistency.
Krogan all day.
Brutes can brag about strength, but Krogan live for centuries and are battle hardened warriors to the core.
They would destroy the brutes in a year
hell, the geth could conquer the entire halo galaxy and be bored doing it. he really doesnt know much about mass effect lore.
Yeah it kinda bugs me when he compares stuff to mass effect. He doesn’t really know the lore that well. Hell even in the ME2 you see a tank bred reject krogan lift a metal wall that would probably way a couple thousand pounds. And he’s only been alive for about a week
@@cpob2013 That is incredibly wrong. The Geth aren't that big of a threat compared to some of the shit in Halo, the Covenant would make relatively short work of them, and the UNSC's smart AI would effectively delete them when it comes to a cyberspace battle. Cortana, for example, was able to master how forerunner structures work pretty damn quickly while the Geth were tricked by a different AI. The UNSC and Covenant ships are also pretty massive compared to anything in Mass Effect. Some medium ships are a kilometre on average, their largest being close to six or more, while the Covenant is close to ten. Meanwhile, the largest ships in the Alliance and Turian navy's is only one kilometre. Some things in Mass Effect outclass Halo, but it would never win against the other stuff in Halo.
Yesssss a versus!! I mean I love all of your content but versus has always been my favorite
I'd have to give it to the Krogan. One of the reasons, besides plot armor, that spartans beat brutes has a lot to do with experience or measured violence without the savagery of the brutes.
Successful Krogan have centuries of experience to draw on when they fight especially if you're going to bring in battle masters and warlords. Throw in the tech and it's not even a competition.
Yeah, I'd say one of the biggest disadvantages for the Brutes is that they often eschew technology or subtlety, and often rely on being given technology that is complimentary to their abilities. While Krogan are violent and brutish, they also generally fight smart and are more capable of using every tool at their disposal.
Well no, the Brutes were a space fairing civilization, before they accidentally nuked themselves back to pre-industrial. They’re fairly smart, probably about as smart as humans considering how we’ll likely end up much like them to an extent. When you do consider the equipment they’ve been given, a Brute War Chieftain with a fuel rod canon would dominate no matter what, the shields and fire power. Brutes during the tail end of the war especially were surprisingly calm, only berserking as a last ditch effort when their armor is gone and their allies are too.
@@Slender_Man_186 It's strange to see so many people bringing up the fuel rod cannon. Within either setting, it's not an especially impressive weapon.
@@dungeonguy88 until you consider that even a charged plasma pistol shot was enough to nearly kill Linda, one of the best Spartan IIs, or how a fuel rod fully disintegrated a Spartan III in SPI Armor, and later a Spartan II makes Will in Mk VI took a fuel rod cannon blast to the chest. That single shot stripped his shields and scorched the entire torso armor, and that’s titanium that’s been given a heat resistant coating. Even a near miss with a plasma rifle is enough to leave a normal marine with 3rd degree burns, direct hits are 4th degree burns, the area hit is left completely burnt through.
@@Slender_Man_186 Isn’t the fuel rod cannon’s damage heavily reliant on radiation? If I remember right, the Krogan’s homeworld is pretty heavily irritated and they’ve evolved to withstand it.
The Krogan in game compared to Lore are also very different in terms of power. Shep can tear through warlords and battle masters simply because if they followed lore, the fight would drag on for hours with how their regeneration factor is supposed to work. It’s similar to how Chief tears through brutes like they’re nothing in game.
Either way, it’s a fun little debate. Personally my money would be on the Krogan. They were legit so powerful in the Mass Effect lore that the other races had to formulate a disease to stop them from taking over everything.
A brute (halo). Vs an ork (40k)
Robert Wesolowski DAKA DAKA DAKA DAKA DAKA DAKA DAKA!!!!
Yea... an Ork Warboss is capable of going us against space marines. And a space marine is basically Master Chief turned up to 11.
I love Halo, but those poor brutes would get stomped.
Cameron Spangler not all space marines match the skill master chief does
It's called propaganda lots of space marines die easily
Pin Head No they do not because the Emperor protects them from any harm
Grimslayer and Cortana protects chief :)
It's been a while since the last VS episode
Hi random guy
sup Jay
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It's like drugz he's addicted to them and he is trying to stop
Hello Master Eck, It’s been a while
See what I did there
random guy and it’s been a while since we’ve seen you in the comments
Replicators vs a Unified Star Wars universe (277th try now, *_I._** WILL NEEEEVER EEEVER GIVE UP!!!)*
don't give up
orc at war 98 yea don't I wanna see this
Id say replicators cause most use lasers or energy weapons in the star wars universe.
coming up on infra-red
Have you tried suggesting this on Eckhart"s discord channel? The people over there seem to influence his videos more-so than us poor youtubers.
That would be pretty interesting. I think it would play out similarly to the flood vs the SWU. if caught early, they would get annihilated easy. However, if they go unnoticed for a time or greatly underestimated in the first few engagements, they would solidly win, mostly through adaptation and attrition.
Dear God, finally.
We need more Halo.
The strength difference is so big I have a hard time seeing even a peek Krogan beating the average Brute more than 10 or 20% of the time. I mean Wrex and Grunt have bulled off some impressive stuff, but there're probably examples of Brutes doing as good or better. Although I have a hard time seeing even a squad of Brutes taking down a Thresher Maw on foot.
I'd kind of be interested in seeing a Halo Brute vs a Mass Effect Brute (a Reaperized Krogan/Turian hybrid).
The fact that Brutes can just casually toss around Spartan 2's like ragdolls says it all.
The Mjollnir alone is over 1000 pounds.
@@Malacite No, they did a little dossiers on Waypoint back in the day. Master Chief in Mjolnir weighs a total of 994 lbs, That would make the armor around 700lbs
I do think there is one more thing to take into account with the Krogan. They can live for upwards of 1000 years, equaling LOTS of combat experience. So while I still think Brutes would win the majority of the time, I think if the average Krogan is even only 200 years old, they have enough experience to maybe only let the Brute win 7or8/10.
Justafan IV I would say that Krogans can live much longer than 1000 years. There is nothing on record talking about Krogans dying of old age in there sleep or anything like that. It's most likely their lifestyle that gets them killed, I.E. fighting all the time. Drack stated that he's over 1400 years old.
Justafan IV krogan live 250 not 1000
Adam Reyna In the Citadel DLC, Wrex states that he's over 700 years old. So, try again.
Snowblind Also their blood rage would close the strength gap by a great amount and increase the krogans regeneration rates that would make it win more often
Adam Reyna Krogan can live as long as Asari, if not longer, it’s just highly unlikely due to their violent nature as a warrior race.
Regardless of how we all feel (and I absolutely love Krogans) the fact is that even a fully armoured Krogan warlord, the oldest strongest most badass Krogan, can be easily picked up by one arm of a brute and thrown like it was playing fetch. So I imagine with the other arm it would peel the Krogans head off. Its like an Elephant fighting a Rhino.
I kinda feel like it's a hard comparison, Krogan are talked up and talked about but due to the mass effect engine and cheesy cutscenes, you never actually get to see them use there powers in a realistic way. like yeah shepard smacked him out, but grunt also jumped in to a shuttle and basically knocked it out of the sky. their strength is never really displayed in any great way due to the limitations of the games engine. where as in the Halo world we are able to physically see more of how the Brutes actually operate and conduct themselves and their physiology
I would say the writing rather than the games engine. Also pretty sure grunt is a test tube super soldier
@@braydoxastora5584 he isn't technically. He is the best of krogan but his abilities are not enhanced beyond that. he isn't even biotic. He is just top 0.01% of krogan population physically. But yeah writing is not exactly consistent. Plus gameplay varies a lot by game. They would be extremely hard to beat in game if they reflected their codex entry accurately
do brutes even have redundant organs or are they just big monkey people? a krogan can keep thrashing with a gaping hole in its brain
@@braydoxastora5584 wrex our best boi krogan fat ass jumped on a shuttle in me3 and made that bitch land. He wasn't up high, he didn't hit anything crucial he just landed on the roof. So the grunt comparison still works.
Yeah but as Master Chief I can beat up brutes with my plasma pistol and I mean beat up not shoot. So it's the same issue with both.
Glad to see another versus episode, and some Halo content again
Actually Brutes are waaay stronger than Spartans, at least 5 to 10 times, when a Brute puts his hands on you it doesn't matter if you are a Spartan or a Elite you are screw.
Pro-tip: Just spend 5 seconds to convince the Brute that blowing what little brains it has out will give them an amazing afterlife. The problem solves itself.
An immovable object versus an unstoppable force. Nice.:)
so happy to see you return to the versus! hope this is the first of many
Dark Helmet Vs Darth Vader
Hell ya! Missed the vs battles thanks for bringing it back for now!
The brutes themselves already have some level of gravitational mastery, we've seen that the grav hammer can attract objects both living and mechanical so brute chieftan say tartarus could could just as easily toss around a krogan without touching him, and i doubt a biotic shield would stand up to a gravity hammer
Maybe. But if starwars has taught us anything then its that a tool like the grav hammer doesnt mean much if your oponent can lift you off the floor without touching you.
@@paxtonfairbanks9216 fair but what if you get lifted by the brutes grav hammer now youre both stuck in the air 🤔
They can have barriers just like a cheiften can. Also they can learn push, warp, and smash which would all kill any brute. Wouldn't need to even get near them either.
@@psykology9299 Don't they just increase mass around the point of impact? I don't think gravity hammers can just levitate whatever the wielder wants.
Shields in Halo are nothing compared to barriers in ME. Unfortunately the tradeoff is that they don't protect against plasma or DEW's. Plus what's stopping a Biotic Krogan from tossing him around? The shields in Halo aren't going to protect from the Mass Effect because they don't operate on the principle.
You forget to mention krogan blood rage
The big difference is that krogan's have amazing regenerative abilities and not only that krogan's can live to be almost a thousand years old so the Krogan Battlemaster would have almost a thousand years of combat experience to fall back on.
Something tells me these guys would best buds at a bar.
Do Elites vs Turians
Pretty obvious elites
Curious. Elites vs Krogan?
@@AngelWOLF239 in 1v1 an elite would likely outmanoeuvre a Krogan and gain the upper hand with its fighting skill and energy sword. In full scale war between the species the Krogan would win due to their durability, biotic abilities and rapid reproduction to quickly replenish numbers. Mass Effect makes it pretty clear that without the genophage the Krogan are unstoppable.
@@pearsemolloy9656 depends on if it's pre or post genophage.
@@attackmaster519 well it wouldn’t be a fair matchup if it was Krogan with the genophage. With these videos you assume both sides are at their peak
Its a difficult challenge.
While Krogans are rocks, solid and massive, they are still reptiles. Cold blood cant give you a lot of energy.
Brutes? Its like having a gorilla under hyper-steroids. You wont fight a gorilla, figure it out fight a Jiralhanae.
A brute would play with a gorilla like we play with a puppy.
A Krogan can be difficult to handle initially for a Brute, when both are fresh.
But after the Krogan reaches its max heating, then the game is set. Krogan cant move or he will boil alive. Brutes just go on hitting, biting, destroying whatever there is in front of him. 😮💨
Those big boys are quite problematic to handle.
I’d have to say that this is relatively accurate. Armored and armed, even a normal, non biotic Krogan I think would be more than a match for a Brute Chieftan. I’d put them on par with a Spartan II, and we know that Spartan II’s can kill a Brute. Grunt would be a perfect example of this. Especially since we seen him tackle and take down multiple Ravagers on his own. If Grunt is comparable to a very angry and scaly Spartan, then you don’t need biotics to kill a Brute. Just a really big gun and a lot of ammo.
But what will that do against a banished chieftain that's actually given proper power armour and a fuel rod cannon?
I don’t think so, Covenant plasma weapons in Halo are horrifying, being able to melt and even incinerate titanium. From what I understand, a Krogan’s natural armor doesn’t do much against extreme temperatures.
@@Slender_Man_186 that's not even mentioning that we're comparing a chieftain with a fuel rod cannon lol it literally destroys building
A big problem for Krogans is that their very top heavy. Their limbs are kinda stubby and while you wouldn't want to be in ones grip, I can't imagine them being to swing or throw a punch as much as a brute whose body has much more freedom of motion for the their limbs. Like a brute could charge a krogan and unbalance them to push them to the ground and from their the brute just needs to wail on the krogan,could take a while though. Brute might hurt his hands from the effort of smacking a giant turtle.
hello
can you do the Zerg vs the Flood (starcraft vs halo) PLEASE CAN YOU DO IT ????
Rip Zerg
Master Chief Petty Officer John-S117 not nessesary, if flood would start on a primitive planet zergs would most likely win
Master Chief Petty Officer John-S117 Zerg would win because they can evolve mutate get better without infect some advanced species the flood is an all in type that means full aggressiv e and could easily destroy any high advanced species bcs they just need to infect 1 high tech planet
orc at war 98
Dude I just had a thought, you know the Swarm from Command and Conquer Tiberium Wars?
Pair that against the Flood.
Thoughts?
+orc at war 98 He will do it, if you ask constantly and at least 100 times and comment this each video
The strongest krogen is not the battle master class but the overlord class
I think that it's only natural that you do a Turian vs Elites analysis now! Also, amazing work on your videos, and I hope that you keep up the great content!!!
The brutes are batter salesmen.
When taking into account Brute weaponry, are we leaving out Tartarus' special hammer? It has range, a pull, a pulse wave, etc. I still agree with this video in that a Krogan with tech could take out a Brute. While rare even UNSC marines can do it.
However I don't see most sci-fi alien species beating brutes as they're so god damn strong, fast, and brutal. Don't underestimate Brute intelligence either. They're EXTREMELY good hunters and their entire race has a warrior culture. The best thing to do is fight a brute at a distance and pray to god they don't catch your scent and sneak up on you.
This dude also forgot something about krogans...
They can live for a thousand of years, wich means they have more wisdom and experience than the brutes.
Glad we’re phasing back into galactic versus type content. I always liked it more.
The mentality and capabilities of the Brutes makes this roughly equivalent to Krogan vs Yahg. The Krogan are known for treating combat like an art or science, so I don't think the Brutes' brute force would really be as effective as you make it sound. Would it be a hell of a challenge? Yeah. Did Grunt deal with worse and survive it in Mass Effect 3? Probably. Not to mention the fact that the Krogan healing factor seems to only get better and faster with age. I think, in the unarmed and unarmored fight, it largely would be decided by how much experience the Krogan has. One like Drack would probably not have much of an issue really, seeing as a Krogan at such an old age has basically fought everything there is to fight, while a younger, less experienced Krogan would probably lose.
Another point for Krogan resiliency: blood rage. It amplifies what the Krogan are capable of and, according to lore, has had cases where the Krogan fight beyond even brain death.
I second the ones saying Turians vs Elites. It'd be interesting to see the thinking and outcomes
It would have to be in overall combat since Elites are pretty strong compared to normal humans. Tactics would have to be taken into account since both are intelligent fighters.
brutes from halo vs orks from 40k
Ork
Finally another VS episode. Was getting starved for this stuff.
To be fair, this was Commander Shepherd that smacked Wrex down. The best example of how strong Krogans can actually be is most likely in Mass Effect 2, where you're trying to save warlord Okeer. One of his clone troopers lifted a massive piece of ship debris to clear the way for Shepherd. Visually, it was pretty impressive, since the Krogan looked like an ant lifting something ten times larger than itself.
The Chimera (Resistance) vs. The Locusts (Gears of War)
Chimera cuz they have much more advanced tecnology and weaponry than the locust and maybe the chimeras could turn the locust into locust-Chimera hybrid
Bigfoot vs Gigalizard
The Yuuzhan Vong vs the Eldar.
The Covenant vs the Dark Eldar.
The Eternal Empire vs the Infinite Empire (inclouding all the droids and weapons they made that we see in SWTOR).
Zann Consortium vs the Banished.
The UNSC vs the Rebel Alliance.
Starfleet vs Republic or Imperial Fleet
Zann Consortium vs Hutt cartels
Which Eldar? Current Craftworlders or Pre-Fall Aeldari Empire?
Marcus Tullius Cicero Current
Bruce Jedi Lee considering that the UNSC actually use point defence on capital ships they're not losing to the rebels
Placing my bet before the vid. I think the brute will win
My money is on the krogan, hands down. They are a lot stronger physically than I think you give them credit for, as well as their blood rage increasing their strength and durability in combat. The recoil of their trademark Claymore shotgun is stated to be enough to shatter a human's arm, yet they have zero issues using it. Not to mention that biotics completely break the encounter in favor of the krogan. But to cap it all off, krogans evolved fighting bigger stuff than them. They are explicitly stated to be a *prey species* on their homeworld of Tuchanka, so their entire philosophy in combat was developed with hitting things bigger than them as hard as possible.
Dramatic_Gaming A Brute's Gravity Hammer is literally manipulating gravity to increase the strike power and decimate whatever it hits. It has been noted to do serious damage to a tank, which implies that it is strong enough to at least injure an armored opponent
Sidonex 5176 The reason I pointed out krogans evolved fighting larger things is because all their weapons have been designed for that purpose. The Claymore makes the UNSC's M90 shotgun look like a toy in comparison, and even Brutes can't take more than a few shots from that. And then you also have the Graal Spike Thrower, which is a massive flechette gun specifically meant to rip apart flesh and cause severe wounds. And while krogans in general having biotics is rare, most battlemasters do have them purely because they provide such an advantage in combat. In a society where might makes right, the strongest individuals will naturally rise to the top. Battlemasters also weild biotic-powered hammers comparable to a Brute's Gravity Hammer.
Dramatic_Gaming completely agree with this. Brutes couldn't hold a candle to krogan on any playing field, biotics or not.
john smith I feel like brute lore may have fluctuated over the years as during my halo experience I've never seen a brute stand that tall or feel that heavy. Also I think the point that was made about the krogan not being durable enough to withstand a brute implies that eckharts thinks that a krogan would simply not fight back, the brute is clearly a mammal and thus will have a softer exterior and will rely heavily on it's internal organs and muscle tissue to remain competent. I think whatever damage the krogan can push through either from blunt force trauma through the use of its head bone or the force that it's legs can exert would be a deciding factor in the fight. I doubt the krogan would get pummelled about and even if it did I think it would just laugh
Krogan beats thresher maw, thresher maw beats reaper, which means krogans beat reapers. moneys on Krogans
there's something you missed about the krogans which is krogan blood rage although I doubt it would make things not really that much easier let alone guarantee victory for the krogan HOWEVER that is a very common krogan ability worth mentioning
Without biotics there is just no way a korgan can equal the raw brute (haha) strength of a brute. Even if we put them with guns a brute can tank much more fire then a krogan and let's not even get into melee weapons
Honestly, I actually doubt the tankiness of a brute compared to a Krogan. If both are fully armed and armored, you can expect the Krogan to have shields on top of their regenerative abilities. I honestly haven't read into the physical abilities of Brutes, but I don't think that they have the insane regenerative abilities that the Krogan do (if any at all). This puts the Krogan at a huge advantage in ranged combat. Because even if the Brute is closing at full speed, it's going to be taking damage while it does it, and if the Krogan can get away for even a little while, it will be back up to fighting strength in hardly any time at all.
So yeah, in a short fight, a Brute should be able to take at least the same amount of punishment if not significantly more, but if the fight drags on, the Krogan takes that hands down.
Brutes also make use of shielding themselves so they'd have a bit of a buffer if they needed to get in close to attack for whatever reason
I feel like overall though the Krogan’s shields are better than any the brutes use, considering the fact that it’s the primary form of protection in mass effect. The personal ballistic weapons used in Mass Effect are also way more powerful than those used by the UNSC, and they both take down their respective universe’s shields in close to equal time. So I feel with full armor and shields a krogan would probably come close to brutes in terms of durability
caukasianinja if only the mass effect ships had powerful weapons compared to halo
Then they would of destroyed those reapers
TheT7770ify Okay so lets correct everything you've just said. One, the Graal Spike Thrower a signature Krogan weapon can pierce the hull of a reinforced ship in one or two well placed shots, brute bones and armor dont stand a chance against that, brute weapons would be useless against a krogans kinetic barrier including the grav hammer, a Krogan blood rage brings them to strength comparible to a brute with twice the durability and fast regen on top of that. Krogans can bite a brutes arm in half if it comes to it. Simply, biotics only turned it from a 9/10 to a 10/10
To start off with, I'm glad I've found this channel, because these Mass Effect matchups are great discussion-builders.
There actually ARE several strength feats for the Krogans, and they're VERY impressive. On several occasions, notably in multiplayer but also visible if you have Grunt/Wrex on your squad, Krogan are able to send all but the largest Geth flying dozens of meters with a single hit. By comparison, even a fairly small-sized Geth like Legion is able to lift and restrain a fully-armored Commander Shepard with ONE HAND and no visible exertion on Legion's part. We don't have any precise measurements on the exact power of Shepard's armor, but it affords him enough power to crush a cybernetically-enhanced human skull with one stomp, and even tank laser beam attacks, so it's probably pretty heavy.
The Krogan Warlord's strength is even more impressive; his hammer attacks can straight up reduce a Geth to synthetic pulp (a feat also displayed by Grunt and Wrex, who don't have a hammer), and he can destroy an Atlas mech in under 5 hits even without his hammer. Keep in mind that these mechs are able to withstand planetary reentry, or sustained pressure in the depths of the ocean on foreign planets; it's the equivalent of causing a military-grade nuclear submarine to explode because you rammed into it with your forearm a few times.
To put this in perspective, the real-world Seawolf military sub, arguably the strongest military sub ever made, uses HY-100 steel in it's construction, which has a durability of roughly 100,000 PSI, and anything in the Mass Effect universe is probably way more durable than that, but sticking to real-world comparisons...the PSI at the bottom of the Mariana Trench is just 16,000.
TL;DR: In short, AT MINIMUM, getting shoulder-charged by a Krogan Warlord is over 8 times worse than being immediately teleported to the bottom of the Mariana Trench and having the weight of miles of water pressing down on you. The average Krogan might not be THIS powerful, but considering the relatively ordinary-looking Krogan Soldier can achieve similar damage, it's not too much of a stretch to say that they can be calculated similarly. So yeah, those are the Krogan's strength feats.
Is this a simple, straight up fight then? because I can imagine most Krogan can outsmart and outflank Brutes when they are say, hunting each other across an area. Krogan are born on worlds with nearly everything being bigger and stronger than them, so I dont think they would feel any need for being al Worflike about honor and such. If it is a straight fight I agree though.
Against Atriox, they would get slaughtered, though. Granted, he's an exception to regular brutes, but that doesn't change how OP that fucker is.
@@starhammer5247 Yeah well, like you said, Atriox is Atriox. So lets up the ante: Atriox vs a Krogan Battlemaster, perhaps even a named character like Wrex. How does he deal with biotics? I don't think he has an answer to that, although perhaps if he has time to prepare.
@@sebasfrankes6501 Well he just has to know of them to come up with a counter, he isn't exactly a normal brute, after all, considering his preference to strategize and come up with plans rather than just fight upfront. A Krogan Battlemaster would give him a fight but his hammer might kick their ass. Either way though, Atriox might prefer to simply recruit them rather than fight them, he's not the Covenant so he'd be more than willing to let others into his faction.
Wrex or Grunt could take Atriox or Tartarus. Grunt fought through half a rachni hive and survived, wrex killed a thresher maw. Even an average krogan like the patriarch lived generally health after going up against a powerful biotic opponent. The brutes only have size and strength but the Krogan have strength, intelligence, and durability. I mean, I don’t think the brutes have 2 hearts, tons of redundant organs and a second nervous system.
... and 4 testicles.
Without biotics it's tough to decide, but the main factor if they Brutes would be allowed covenant energy weapons and tech.
If allowed covenant tech Brutes could possibly win, but would be long battle of attrition. This is because energy barriers can block a lot of things, but will be taken down with enough firepower demonstrate by various UNSC weapons, especially the sniper which can take out shields in 1-2 shots depending on placement. Even if they break through like he stated the armor itself and general brute hardiness can still be a bullet sponge.
If you take away the covenant tech then brute weaponry is pretty bad. I mean you have the brute shot which is basically a grenade launcher with a blade attached, the mauler which is basically a shotgun pistol with a bayonet, the type 25 carbine aka " the spiker" which is kinda like a railgun but shoots spikes instead, and the gravity hammer.
Without energy weapons they would lose I think. My main reasoning is that ME tech is heavy kinetic weaponry and defense, the kinetic barriers(KB) should be able to withstand most brute weaponry besides the gravity hammer, considering kinetic shields are able to block hyper velocity rounds, explosions, plasma( incinerate is basically a plasma blast I think), particle weaponry( collector weapons). Not to mention I think KB would be able to block some plasma damage, they can stop plasma but not the heat so they would still get burned heavily, but krogan armor and regeneration could nullify that. As mentioned by others Krogans live a long time, so the average krogan would have more combat experience as well.
If we stick to krogan weaponry then they would be pretty effective against brutes I think if you take the graal spike thrower which is used to hunt thresher maws, you know those giant acid spitting 30 meter long worm monsters by shooting oversized flechettes at hyper velocity meant to pierce thresher hide and create deep wound channels leading to massive blood loss. Also the standard krogan battle hammers which are basically smaller gravity hammers, but if you take away the biotic variant there is still the tech war hammer which as more damage.
In conclusion I think a krogan battlemaster could beat a brute chieftain due to combat experience, krogan physiology, and specialized mass effect kinetic barriers which renders most of the brute chieftains weapons useless without a lot of sustained fire( which a krogan battlemaster wouldn't allow), and ME krogan brutal weapons. Even if brutes were allowed covenant tech I think that krogan physiology and ME KB's can stop most of it and then it's just a battle of attrition in which krogans can regenerate over time when brutes can't, even with brute bullet sponge capabilities krogan weapons are meant to bleed enemies out and since brutes can't naturally stop bleeding like krogans can they will eventually lose.
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Moustache war who has the best moustache halo vs star wars vs warhammer40k vs mass effect.
Rebel fleet commander 40k stomps. Any commander in the imperial guard can be an example
Heck yeah! More Mass Effect!
“Krogan don’t have the fury of the brute”
Apparently you’ve never heard of Blood Rage.
As Wrex always says: ah the benefits of a redundant nervous system.
seriously, in lore blood rage surpasses destruction of the brain and will keep thrashing limbs until total somatic death. if a krogan bit a brute's arm, then the brute somehow impaled the krogan's face, it would keep gnawing until the arm came off
not to mention the durability and healing of a krogan
I think we can all agree that none of us would ever want to fight either these guys in a fist fight, especially the brutes in my opinion... they *eat* people.
ORK WARBOSS vs Brute Chieftain vs Krogan Battlemaster. WAAAAAAGH!
Let's see who wins =))
ApexPredator_ geez man what did the brute and krogan do to you to deserve this?
The ork warboss will stomp both litteraly
that would be way too one sided
here's hoping we get an rpg-esque game with someone relatively action packed sequences but heavy on lore and shit.
we start in the prison guardians of the galaxy style we see naked jiralhenae, human and krogan in the decontamination chambers. but that scene is obviously fan service for you guys looking for THICC
nice outro btw
Eventually tech can compensate for physical disparities. For example, regular grunt vs elite nah, easy, elite. Grunt goblin vs elite, different story. Hell it's why humans outclass gorillas despite our lacking of physical strength compared to most apes.
So it makes sense a krogan master would be able to beat a brute chieften.
I love this series and next should be Master Chief vs Commander Shepard
If Shepard is anything other than a Vanguard, I'd give the fight to Chief almost every time. Vanguard Shepard with a claymore shotgun though? Chief just gets one-shotted by the charge+shotgun combo every time.
Predator vs Elite
Special forces Elite. They have cloaks too.
Mars Bars Sangheili ftw
Mars Bars I've seen this, and it almost always goes for the Elite. The reason why is because most tactics the Predator uses Elites are familiar with, but the main reason most bring up is the fact that the Predator has heat vision. Why is this a problem and not a perk? Because most Covenant weaponry uses plasma, which would appear as a massive white flash in heat vision. As soon as the Elite opens fire or uses any plasma based weaponry the Predator is blind.
Predators actually have variable spectrum vision. Thermal is just the default, they have also been known to see in visible light, ultra violet and whatever this is: ruclips.net/video/eiQD0Wk6Ekg/видео.html
Heat isn't all they have.
Jiralhanae and Cure Don't know what you mean by "superior" because they have almost the same body mass and I think elites are slightly bigger. There are specially trained elites in Halo that are able to go up against Spartans and still win.
Krogan are actually very strong as they have been shown in Mass Effect 2 and in Andromeda they can burst through reinforced walls and lift debris the size of busses.
Brute vs WH40k Ork
Orks will litteraly stomp the brutes
I definitely get what you mean on round 2 BUT a chieftain with a strong enough hammer, like Tartarus' Fist of Rukt, also has crazy offensive power and gravity manipulation powers
So I don’t know much about Krogans but how does weaponry compare? Do they also have Gravity Hammers?
They have better a high-powered shotgun
Monday's insanity the claymore isnt even that effective single shot, bad range like all ME shotguns
Well they have a gun that was designed to hunt Thersher Maws as one of their preferred weapons (I forget its name). Thersher Maws are 30 Meter long, Acid Spitting, sand worm with naturally Ballistic resistant armor plating on top of a thick leathery hide.
It’s worth noting that in order for a Krogan to become an adult in their culture, they must fight and kill a Thersher maw in an arena. At times they are allowed a partner to assist, but the most Notable Krogan are the ones that killed their thresher maw in single combat. Like Wrex.
Skaianet the killing of a man isnt necessary merely completing the trials, and sure but it doesn't one shot the maws ite just a strong shotgun, with piss poor range, the unsc shotgun is stupid powerful. Also some proof on that source? The power of biptics is really varied and even then they still cant ragdoll though shields and they have to be able to hit their target.
Skaianet I could talk about brute weaponry but it really speaks for itself, brute shot, covenant plasma weaponry, the gravity hammer
I've been looking forward to this
please do an A-wing vs a Viper Mk2 (BSG)
Sci Fience viper MK2 vs the thunderbolt starfury(Babylon 5).
Barry Bend in spacedock chanel you Got this vs done
chaszczek i would love to see his take on it is that a good idea.
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chaszczek I said I would like to see Ech's take on this.
Brutes would win the battle but krogans would win the war.
Can the UNSC and the Covenant survive and beat the Angel Zeruel from Evangelion on Earth when the Covenant first attacked? Zeruel appears out of nowhere in this and is laying waste to everything and everyone that it sees and gets in it's way while trying to look for Lilith on this version of Earth to start the next Impact
The question is if the covenant ships can shoot through the AT field. Or can Mac canons? Cause that’s angles biggest advantage. Because their offensive capabilities are not really that impressive. But if the at field is not penetrated, I doubt they could sop it.
I do wonder what the weight maximum is for krogan biotics. For instance, we know biotics can not lift a Geth Juggernaut, and a fully armored brute likely weighs as much. We also know that biotics cannot bipass shields, which Brute Chieftains carry. I think the Brute carries both scenarios tbh
just a correction you got one thing wrong "we know biotics can not lift a geth juggernaut" ACTUALLY they can in ME1 biotics lift/move just about every enemy in the game in ME2 once a target has no armor or shields including all Geth platforms (most notably Geth primes) (and besides the Geth colossus) they can be lifted with biotics and in ME3 same thing applies to here BUT there is something to add biotics can slightly move dead guys including the big guys with armor health
OH BTW I'd actually claim that a brute is heavier ESPECIALLY IN ARMOR than Geth juggernauts and primes
800 lbs is the largest Krogans get.
Brute responds with Gravity Hammer. Crushing the Krogan with the force of gravity via gravotonic manipulation.
The force that pulled that over 1,000 lbs of Spartan and armor to Atriox was him manipulating gravitational fields to pull the Spartan to him like a vortex before slaming him like a rag doll. It can also be used to push opponents or crush them under the force of gravity by making gravity around the target higher than normal.
Of course Atriox is a Brute War Master. Which is a higher ranking Chieftain. Than the one taken out in Halo ODST.
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Tartarus could perhaps be a match for a battlemaster, as the Fist of Rukt has some form of gravity field generator built in, which can be used to manipulate targets in a similar fashion to biotics, which could *potentially* allow Tartarus to deliver a swift killing blow by pulling the Krogan into range of the Fist (I can’t see a Krogan taking many hits from a gravity hammer).
Without the ability to manipulate gravitation and generate shields, a Krogan Battlemaster would stand no chance against a regular Brute, much less a Chieftain.
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Unfortunately for the Brutes, Krogan Battlemasters are Biotic.
Skaianet very true. I was merely referring to the conditions outlined under the special parameter of no biotics. I absolutely agree. A Krogan Battlemaster with full access to his abilities would easily trounce not just one, but multiple Brute Chieftains.
Krogan blood rage, krogan healing factor etc gives edge.
Shepard is a highly trained N7 operative. Him doing that to wrex is by no means easy but ME suits and human augmentation do give shepard some edge here.
Not to mention odst fight brutes and chieftains at times and win. Don't see the vast majority of krogan suffering much. Got to get through their armor, thick plate skin, and regeneration capabilities. Also depends on what varient armor you give a krogan, weapons etc. Bare in mind mass effect can have full armor sets or mix match them. Anys poisoned environment they will be fine and do not need to eat for a long period of time due to their hump.
They can outlast a brute, be just a strong, do have a more tactical edge over the brute and just better all over designed.
Sure brutes can take down spartans via their strength yet atriox is a special brute, and more data is needed.
Same for krogans too since yes turians asari and anyone can kill a krogan but weapons in mass effect fire at a faster rate, carry larger rounds, can be modified with special ammo, and other goodies.
It is why in a ground fight your average soldier is better geared for armor piercing, disruptor ammo, cryo ammo, incidenary rounds, phasic, explosive, drill, and warp ammo rounds just butcher the brutes.
@@masterblaster3508 Despite your little essay, they do not scale to the Brutes who can ragdoll fully armored Spartan-IIs
@@UncleMikeDrop spartan II didn't not get rag dolled quite easily
Out in the open. Red team got ambushed by one super brute who was modified this being atrox.
This is like saying a jackel can take down a spartan II or III on a 1v1 because the jackel took a clean headshot throught Kat's helmet in the back on reach.
A krogan ain't super peak human, they are super soldiers. They do not need to eat or drink for weeks, they have mutiple organs like a space marine, can land on hazard planets and be fine, they have access to better weapons, ammo and such. Melee combat due to me3 lore omni tools of military grade line have blade systems and other fun goodies for the krogans to use.
Plus once a krogan goes into blood rage they do not become savage like monster like brutes who throw down their weapons in the heat of the moment.
Sure a young krogan undergoing "coming of age" will not have proper control but once he does his blood rage is control. Meaning all sense are henanced. And krogan lifespans are 1,000 years on average. Just most of them die early do to fighting a lot.
I really missed these episodes!
No mention of the krogan battle rage when they have to rely on redundant organs or their quick health regeneration that all krogan have? ...okay.
Think you're missing some of the biggest things that make krogan so scary.
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Krogans woudl win hands down due to another factor. They breed like rabbits
genophage... also this is a one on one battle breeding plays no factor here.
kane bekkattla agreed it's not armies fighting, it's 1 v 1
If we were talking about armies going into battle then yeah, Krogan hands down will win thanks to attrition if nothing else.
Actually you have that backwards. The Krogans with their insane breeding would lose in attrition because they'd have more warriors to feed arm and ship off. That along with the fact that in Mass Effect they have no real FTL and need the Relay's means that in space the brutes can out maneuver them greatly.
The Brutes also have plasma weapons which literally only the Geth kind of have in mass effect and we already know how devastating that shit is even on a minor scale so bump it up to fucking 150)% with the brute plasma rifle and you've got a monster to deal with. A single brute being vastly stronger and having shields that can block both projectiles and plasma attacks which the races in ME don't have and you've got brutes knocking down starving Krogans left and right as their ships warp in from out of nowhere glassing their planets.
"Their insane breeding would lose in attrition because..." Is that why they were winning the Krogan Rebellions to the point where the Council races had to sterilise 99.9% of the whole race just to beat them?
Also, Krogan can basically eat anything so starvation's not a problem for them, at least not a great one. Arming them for a war wasn't much of a problem either if I remember their lore correctly, even pre-genophage.
"Having shields that can block both projectiles and plasma attacks which the races in ME don't have..." You just said the Geth had plasma weapons, so which is it? Also, I'm fairly certain that the Krogan have shields, too. :D
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From what I've seen in the game people with biotics can barely lift a ton, I doubt biotics can stop a charging brute.
Biotics literally stop artillery strikes.
@@darryneaton3111Are you talking about kinetic barrier Shields or biotics, because they haven't shown biotic powers doing that in the game, or correct me if there is a specific part of the game where that specific feet you say actually happened, I've played mass effect 1 to 3 and I haven't seen it.
Really depends on which Brutes…the ones of the Covenant were usually dumb and always had fits of rage, while the ones in the Banished (from what we’ve seen) are a lot more intelligent and calculated but still have the strength of the Covenant brutes. For example in the Halo Wars 2 cutscene near the beginning, the Brutes don’t charge head first without stopping and thinking, and the lead one even makes sure to mostly cover his face with armour