Here's a bit of lore for the Terran Marines - I remember in the original game manual for StarCraft: Brood War under the field medic it said something to the effect of "the addition of medics in Marine companies has extended the combat lifespan of the individual soldier by well over 8 seconds."
Addendum, concerning StarCraft: given the fact Jim Raynor can get in and out of the suit, it appears that you’re only sealed in the suit if you are conscripted from the prisons. If you’re a normal conscript/volunteer you can get in and out of the combat suit.
In Warhammer 40k, nothing is overpowered because everything is overpowered. That thing you just saw wipe out an entire squad of Space Marines just got it's head bit off by something else.
@@joshspink a single impérial guard yes…. But even à space marine chapter would have trouble againts a properly equipped krieg army, I mean your bolter is gonna run out of ammo someday
I mean they aren't that op. The flood easily outrank the tyrrinids if they had the same biomass and 3 jedi could probably take a non psyker space marine
Except a Boltor can be fired point blank, the nuke? Not so much. Besides the warhammer space marines could easily survive a nuke that didn't actually detonate on top of them (in the lore they are fully capable of surviving virus bombing with the life eater virus, which is a weapon that make s a nuke look like a love tap in comparison to what it can do to a planet.)
A tiny defense of the StarCraft Marine is that, in universe, it's basically a god weapon against all conventional weaponry and is treated as such. StarCraft Marines are used as anti-air defenses against everything Terran but Behemoth Class Battlecruisers and they have targeting computers that let them actually land some shots on the clairvoyant superbeings that are Zealots. The rounds are fired at hypersonic speeds and ignore many feet of futuristic duracrete as they're basically used to level buildings. Things like Siege Tanks and even military grade Vultures make things like Scorpion Tanks and Lemun Russ Tanks look like fodder. The reason they seem like fodder in the StarCraft Universe is because things in the StarCraft Universe are so impossibly overpowered. I mean, Zealots can turn into pure energy and can run at 250+ mph while seeing the future and having 300+ years of battle experience and have perfect teamwork with their units because they're all psychic. Did I mention Psiblades that literally ignore durability of... well basically anything in their universe but other types of psiblades? A StarCraft Marine at any significant range should turn Spartan II's into hunks of shredded meat.
Jokes aside, don't Mobile Infantry throw nukes around and practically fly? I'm confused how 40K Space Marines beat that when they are beaten by standard bolter rounds. I've also heard that MI armor can tank most anything underneath high explosive or anti-tank rounds.
@@Noah-zz8uw The joke was more that most people never consider that things from 40k actually have weaknesses and can be beaten. I usually just see either "HURR DURR EMPEROR INQUISITION HERESY", or some decade-old fluff that's regularly contradicted by every visual depiction.
@@Noah-zz8uw Starship trooper are the equivalent to the Astra Militarum from 40k, and most people forget about them as a faction entirely because they are just basic infantry with basic weopons... but that's why they are my favorite faction and why I love starship troopers so much, cause they beat an unbeatable enemy with numbers/bullets, as well as heavy weaponry
@@cbcastlecastillo144 perhaps, but soldier for soldier, Mobile Infantry should have what is necessary to beat Cadian Shock Troops, Kasrkin, and even Space Marines in many scenarios.
@@TheDragonfriday IF THE EMPEROR WILLS IT THE ADEPTUS ASTARTIES WILL OVERCOME ANY THREAT TO HUMANITY!! ONLY FILTHY XENOS AND CHAOS WORSHIPPING HERETICS WOULD CLAIM OTHERWISE!!
I know, right? The StarShip Trooper MI suit is ridiculously OP. A single one could take out dozens of the other marines from 50 kilometers away with those mini-nukes. They are also way too fast to be brought into range of the other factions' weapons. :P
Not true about the Starcraft marine armor being "life-long". You can get in and out of it at will more or less. The armor you see in the trailer was one specific version that was meant to be a prison for the person inside it. Hence, it's permanent.
Not exactly, the suit that Thycus wore (which is the character that appears in the trailer of Wings of Liberty) was specifically modified for that function but it was not a permanent prison suit either, what they did to this suit was in the words of Matt Horner, install a sophisticated transponder which was designed to emit a pulse that would immediately deactivate the vital organs of Thycus killing him in case he will try to take off the suit or someone else will try to remove the suit, this was obviously a preventive measure implemented by Menks to ensure that he would not try to escape and that he would keep his word to kill Kerrigan at the first opportunity, I imagine that in addition to that the suit should contain some security mechanism like a system that will warn those in charge of monitoring Thycus which would warn them if he tried to take off his suit, but beyond that the suit he was wearing was no different to the standardized suits of the Marines Corps.
@@RexMK- His suit was just as permanent as prison. It was welded together to prevent removal. You can argue that someone could remove it but in the same vein you can break someone out of prison, as well. There were two ways the suit was used in Starcraft: for regular infantry it could be removed or for prisoners serving a sentence it was permanently sealed until they died or their sentence was served.
Rex MK-0.153 no he did not wear a regular armor. Raynor wears a regular armor which he can just get in and out of, same as every other terran marine. The conscripted criminals are brainwashed so they think that they serve of their own free will. Tychus is a special case in all regards abd does not reflect the typical terran marine.
I think it is more interesting to rate how powerful the space marines are in their respective universes. In 40k space marines are no where near the most scary things in existence, while in Starship Troopers nothing matches the mobile infantry.
Be Careful here because the Mobile Infantry in Starship Troopers are Army and in fact if I remember the book, the Marines in Starship Troopers are actually ass and are used how Marines are supposed to be used which is protecting navy.
@@Seriona1 nah, starship troopers in the book are super troopers. Their armor costs a fortune. Each Mobile Infantry unit is near equivalent of a helicopter in price or so.
starship troopers MI can blow up whole cities by themselves, while darting around at incredible speeds. They'd give the Warhammer marines a run for their money for sure.
The 40k marines have 3 lungs, 2 hearts, a gland in their mouth that makes acid, ribs are fused together, and their bones have ceramic or some shit, ability to eat basically anything for substance, and a bunch more stuff I'm forgetting. Their armor cant even be compared to a tank of today, and they can live for thousands of years.
They can see in extreme low-light conditions even without optical assistance (Occulobe), acquire knowledge by eating (Omophagea), have a pre-stomach that can digest or neutralise dangerous substances (Preomnor), require no sleep (Catalespean Node), enter voluntary medical comas to survive extreme trauma (Su-san Membrane), track through taste (Neuroglottis), and biomechanically interface directly with their Power Armour to use it at a reflexive level (Black Carapace). Also, the eldest known Space Marine alive in the current continuity, not counting those contained in stasis, sustained in Dreadnought armour (Bjorn the Fell-Handed is over ten thousand years old) or thrown out of time by the currents of the Warp, is Lord Commander Dante of the Blood Angels Chapter, who is believed to be around 1'547 years old.
@@jamesjudice3184 Technically they can live far longer than that. Granted I'm referring to a Dreadnought, but Bjorn the Fell-Handed met the Emperor once, before the Horus Heresy. He's still alive, though he spends most of his time in stasis.
In starcraft, only Tychus's armor was designed to never come off, as he was previously sentenced to a life in prison, the other marines could get out of their armour
Technically Their Gene-Fathers(Primarchs) Are Demi-Gods, Space marines are just more evolved humans they just took a shortcut to evolve faster(Gene-seeds)
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Of course we do .. We need an 11 minute video to tell us about those normal humans in power armor who get one shotted by Spartans and ripped apart by Space Marines. lol.
When it came to Starcraft you missed some right off the bat. There is No problem for the Terran marines to exit their suit. As can be seen in the games and in most of the novels.
Not to mention founded on a society hundreds of thousands of years in the future, where people literally worship technology, as compared to these other universes that are set, at most, several hundred years in the future.
Right, it's unfair to compare Halo humans since they're only in year 2557 versus year 40,000 in WH. Bring out Prehistoric Humans or Forerunners instead who could roflstomp all of WH40k easily.
Well yeah, but the Warhammer 40K universe is like the Superman of sci-fi. Everything is ridiculously overpowered due to being written that way, it's all style and no substance. And I frankly dont even think of the Warhammer universe as that cool. It is inconsistent, they are futuristic marines yet they also use oversized sledgehammers. :S
Not to forget, they have the most varied armies to fight against. Most other of these franchises only have...what, 2 maybe 3 factions at most. 40k has 8 different factions...(if you condense the pure Chaos factions). Chaos. Traitor Space Marines. Tau and their slave allies. Eldar. Dark Eldar. Necrons. Tyrannids. Orks. Need I say more.
7:26 Starcraft armor DOES come off. It IS removable. The main character [Jim/James Raynor] is seen several times in all the games both in and out of armor.
Yeah. Honestly, I think SC should place 2nd on this list. Their armor is a full grade above spartan and definitely on par with mobile infantry. And their c14 rifles put out more kinetic energy per second than a scorpion tank. Anything spartans would typically have wouldn't put a dent in that armor and anything the terran have would rip spartans in half. Although he is correct that terran do severely lack training, he also forgets that the terran are descendants of a prisoner ship that crashed and then they built civilization from the wreck. These are intensely hardy and naturally badass people.
Yeah. Tychus' armor is locked on because he's a prisoner - it's a mobile cell that he can still use to fight when his commanders permit it. Regular troops only wear theirs for battle.
Starcraft Nerd here: Tycus was locked into his suit as a punishment after prison. Others like Raynor could go in and out at will. In one mission during the SC2: wings of liberty campaign Raynor specifically orders “No one outside without a suit. That won’t be a problem for you Tycus”
Also the C-14 rifle is significantly more powerful than any of the other weapons used by the other space marines. For that reason alone, the SC marine should be much higher on the list, if not the 1# spot.
@@megamente7849 ok for some reason my previous 2 comments didn't save, so hopefully this one will. Basically, 40k Space Marines come in many shapes and sizes, and in many different power levels. There are some bolter rounds (plasma I think?) that do significantly more than the usual, and as such probably much more than a SC marine, but I'm just referring to standard 40k marines with standard bolters. SC Marines use the C-14 gauss rifle, which fires an 8mm spike of depleted uranium at hypersonic speeds. As such, these bullets travel almost 2x as fast as a .50 bmg round. These are also spikes, not normal bullets, meaning there is no ejected case, but the entire round is fired, again being extremely large. These rounds are fired at 1500 rpm. As such, the C-14 is much more powerful than a friggin A10 warthog. As such, this is much more firepower than a standard 40k space marine. The real kicker here though is the fact that these are the cheep, massed ground infantry units. They are made extremely quickly from readily available resources, and are nothing short of extremely common. This video does not take into account that most SC marines also have a sort of aim bot, and frequently use a drug referred to as "stim pack" which which heightens their reaction speed and aggressiveness, allowing them to fight much quicker and deal more damage. This Eckharts says that there is not much lore given for SC, and while he is correct that it does not have as much as Halo or 40k, it seems pretty obvious to me that Eckharts never bothered to read the full wiki page. Sorry this was long. TLDR: The SC marine's rifle is more powerful than an A10 warthog's autocannon, and they have much more going for them than Eckharts explains
@@megamente7849 The bolter is honestly a garbage weapon by even modern human standards. An AR-15 w/ something like m855a1 or m995 has a greater penetration value over a massive round like a bolter's .75 only moving at 850 FPS. so like an AR could potentially one tap a SM with good ammo. The idea of the bolter and its stats were developed in the 1980s when body armor was a flak jacket and prayers so a mini grenade launcher would have seemed like the bees knees. Power weapons and heavy bolter are a different story tho. plasma pistols and melta guns might put the SM back on top.
One misconceptions painted by the opening cinematic of StarCraft 2 wings of liberty is that marines are stuck in their suit until they die, that is simply not true. Only convicts were put in these kind of suits so that they function as their mobile prison cells and if they'd do something wrong they could be killed by their suit
Der Don I thought it would be pretty obvious that it's only typhus who is stuck in there, considering one of the first dialogues when you meet Mat is "someone's modified his armour so that he is locked in" but people don't pay attention I guess
Imperitus that right there, I've thought that everyone would've gotten it by now because of that. And the second that you talk with Tychus and he states that he is in some kinda debt.
I will admit though, there is some credence to the theory, and there are apparently a lot of convicts in there, as one of the marines lines is something about getting out of the "Chicken shit outfit." or something along those lines.
No mention of the Astartes having acid spit, a third lung for breathing water, nearly unbreakable bones, the ability to take knowledge directly from an enemy by eating their brain, and their ability to stay awake for weeks by sleeping half of their brain at a time.
Okay, so I knew about all of that stuff beforehand, but when in Terra's tits were they able to monch on some mad cranium and get crazy knowledge? Is this one of the organ implants, Primaris fuckery, or what?
There is an organ which allows them to get genetic information from lets say, some animal they eat in the field. Assuming that instinctive behavior is encoded in the DNA, its for developing survival strategies on hostile planets on the fly. And no, i doubt any sane Marine would think of eating an enemys brain, its a heretical act in the end. But its common in some Traitor Legions, i think. At least i heard, for example the Iron Warriors eat their Slaves if there is nothing else.
+Bad Medicine It's called the Omophagea, it's an implant that has been part of the standard Astartes creation process since the beginning. A mutation in that organ is what led to Blood Angels' rituals for drinking blood. +Helini Knallkopp There are at least two Blood Angel successor chapters that use this ability frequently to learn about their enemies.
ok ill be honest that really wouldn't help to much 1. Acid spit even the strongest Acid that can exist can only eat through things so fast (Xenomorph acid is completely impossible) on top of that a thin coating of plastic and your acid wont do shit regardless. 2. a third lung for breathing water I mean ok (but shouldn't your armor do that and how often are you going to be fighting underwater that a third lung to breath it is even nessary) 3. nearly unbreakable bones (I dont remember that one I know their Bones were ahell of a lot stronger but given everything in 40k or just in real life I actually think nearly unbreakable is a bit of a stretch) 4. "by eating their brain" that isn't as effective as you think the one time its used it took days for the space marine to find the information he wanted and even than that information managed to leave out that the area was a trap.. :P granted that was the only time that ability was ever really used in any form of story so it could just be an outlier they haven't corrected. (do they make it so space marines are ok with eating brains.... I feel like that's a big issue.... also what if the brain is none carbon based..... what happens if its acidic or poisonous..... this just seams gross to be honest) 5. "ability to stay awake for weeks by sleeping half of their brain at a time. " that is not how biology works or brain chemistry.... but ill admit that one is really cool.... still dosnt make sense but cool
*I AM THE HAMMER* *I AM THE POINT OF HIS SPEAR* *I AM THE MAIL ABOUT HIS FIST* *I AM THE BANE OF HIS ENEMIES, AND THE WOES OF THE TREACHEROUS* *I AM THE END* Seriously though, just the Grey Knights alone could take on the entire Spartan Corps. And even assuming Space Marines and Spartans were equal, their mindset means the Marines would win. The spartans are devoted to protecting humanity, yes, but the Marines do so with religious fervor. To suffer defeat is the greatest heresy. Plus a space marine’s armor is made of such tough material none of the others would probably even have a chance of doing much more than scratching the paint short of a spartan laser.
Sees space marine armour is primarily co.posed of ferrosteel and plasteel, *laughs in antinaterial rifle*, seriously though, 4 guys with .50 cal machine guns could shred a space marine's armour in seconds (it would protect the SM completely up until the point the last ceramite layer shattered), then he would be riddled with holes.
TheSocialistsAreComing It’s not the MOST protective it could be, but that’s assuming that the guys can get the shots off fast and precisely enough to get through before the Space Marine can kill them. And even if they get through, space marines are dummy tough, with buffed up skeletons, backup organs, the whole lot. And you’re right, the armor would eventually give way under heavy fire. If you shoot the exact same spot.
@@viscounttudon68 the combimed layers of ceramite and plasteel are no more than 3ish inches thick. The ceramite breaks layer by layer like modern antiballistic armour, its just slightly better than modern ceramic plates. A .50 cal can punch through one end of a modern vest and out the other. It can penetrate the majority of the way through 4 feet of steel (see engine blocks). Thus means a .50 cal will immediately go through the plasteel/ferrosteel layer, and only 1 to 5 shots would break through the ceramite. The ceramite shatters as a whole plate layer by layer btw, if it didnt the bullet would go right through it because of how little energy it would absorb.
@@viscounttudon68 also hitting a space marine is only slightly more difficult than hitting a technical moving down a dirt road at 55mph. Edit:a.k.a keep long line of site, and converging lanes of fire such as with an infantry L formation, so no matter where the SM moves he's under fire.
@@thesocialistsarecoming8565 do you know the density to the ceramite and plasteel? it could have a higher density then tungsten, so regardless the thickness I doubt a 50. could punch though it and considering a space marine weighs around 1100-2200 pounds and quite regularly get shot at by 75-100 caliber projectiles I doubt a 50. would go though I think it would scratch the paint or maybe put a very little dent in the armor itself. (sorry for bad English)
The Terran marine was incredibly underrepresented in this video. I will concede upfront that all of the other troops would defeat them in a 1 on 1 fight, and they are largely disposable, it’s unfair to leave out other details. Most marines are ex-convicts that are brain-panned upon being initiated into service. The Marine corps is made up of a vast array of soldiers, since different members were given different weapons based on their skills. Some had flamethrowers, Grenade launchers, sniper rifles, and some of them had jet packs in the early iterations of their combat armor. The most hardened criminals were sent into the Firebat Reaper Corps, where they used their aggression to their advantage, specializing in close-range combat. Firebats had tough armor and flamethrowers while reapers used dual-wield pistols and jump packs. The point of the marines is to act as one large cohesive unit, with specialized soldiers covering the weaknesses of the others. Marines are far more comparable to Clones than the space marines of the W40K universe. The combat armor IS removable for most marines, but not THIS marine. The marine depicted is Tychus Findlay. He is a good friend of Jim Raynor, who is the main character in the StarCraft lore. Tychus was a prisoner of the Terran Dominion, ruled by Arcturus Mengsk. Mengsk had it out for Raynor, as they used to work together but parted ways when Mengsk fed his second in command, Sarah Kerrigan, to the Zerg, a deadly alien species similar to xenomorphs. Kerrigan had been conspiring against Mengsk so he attempted to kill her. Instead of dying, Kerrigan was assimilated into the swarm and became an incredibly powerful Psionic being. Raynor had a love affair with Kerrigan before her transformation and wanted revenge against Mengsk. Tychus was sealed up in a permanently sealed armor suit by Mengsk, and the suit was also primed with a “kill switch” that would activate if Tychus defected. The deal was that if he killed Kerrigan, his record would be wiped and he’d be a free man. He was then sent to Raynor to act as a spy and to convince Raynor to kill Kerrigan. Raynor chooses to save Kerrigan instead. He uses an artifact to de-infest her and, when Tychus goes with him to collect her, he tries to kill Kerrigan. Raynor blocks the bullet with his armor and kills Tychus.
He seriously underestimates Terran Marines in this video. Starcraft C-14 Gauss Rifles are incredibly underrated. They fire 8mm DU spikes (not standard bullet rounds) at hypersonic speeds. Each spike is about 8 cm long, and weighs about 80-90 grams. In the end, a projectile flying that fast, and being that heavy is around the strength of a 25-30mm round. C-14 Gauss Rifles also have a fire rate of 30 rounds per second, but normally Marines fire in 10 round bursts unless they are using Stimpacks. It also standardly holds around 200 of these spikes before needing to be reloaded. That's still not all. The Terran Marine's armor also essentially gives them aim bot among many other sensors, including IFR. It also augments their strength and speed. I would easily rank a C-14 over a bolter firing only standard rounds, and I'd rank every weapon on this list above the MA5D rifles the Spartans have. That's not even getting into how the Terran Marines would probably outnumber every soldier in this video by a lot, or how the special forces of Terran, like Ghosts fire 25mm Psionically charged rounds at similar velocities, and can cloak to the point only advanced sensors can detect them. Terran Marines have IFR sensors in their suits, but still cannot detect Ghosts.
@@IAmAlpharius20 not at all, they overestimate 40k too much when in reality they are not as strong as they tell you because exaggeration is not equal to precisely 100% true.
@@IAmAlpharius20 good thing I'm not dreaming because the truth is that 40k exaggeration is not the same as 100% accurate as all warhammer is written in unreliable narrative which most fictional universes don't have this rule and that because of the exaggeration the ignorant and haughty toxic fans elevated their universe to the clouds which is not among the strongest.
I hate the popular opinion that 40k is boring and OP, 40k is a low tier OP universe. In many other universes such as Lovecraft, DC/Marvel, Xelee, culture and many others (hell those personal shields in Dune would fuck over the imperial guard so much it isn't funny) so many that are over powered just to be over powered and 40k just gets shat all over by these other universes.
As a W40k fan, I always apreciate seeing them in a video, but let's be honest, it's unfair. The Imperium is at war since 15k years and dedicated all his power, resources, and technologies to war. They count casualties in planets or solar system scales. Let's see what Halo can be in 10k years, and you'll be able to make a real comparison :)
Well in 10k years if the Imperium havnet already killes of the T`au well they are probably gonna give the Imperium a run for the money and just be one of the top dogs Even if they got 5k years they would stil be far more advanced than whatever the UNCE could make in 10k years now that the Imperium is stagnant and only have begun evolving with the return of Gullimen. If it took T`au 6k years to go from cavemen tech to spacetravels and laser weapons and giant mechs than just imagin what they will become in 10k years
@@Marthe535 Well, the fact is, the imperium could wipe out those xenos races, just that if they put the force to destroy x or y xeno race, the other would have an easy prey on the imperium EDIT: also the t'au... yeah, in the long run they will probably be a big threat, but right now, with the nids and chaos, they aren't that big of a threat
Seriously, those contests are pointless. 40k ALWAYS wins. 40k is the tabletop version of that kid on the playground who always insisted to be everything-proof with a nuklear rocketlauncher.
Sebastian Abele Heinleins. MI would win very easily.... What's the range on a bolter? 12 inches, try a nuke at 12 kilometers from a dude that eats tank formations for breakfast.
Jason Main space marines can survive nukes. And they have more nukes than you do. Also more planets and ships and manpower and production and psionic powers and everything else. They have sensors for basically every kind of sense (x-ray? Infrered, ultraviolet, sonic, radioactive, heat, motion, radar, etc) and have been able to accurately fire their bolters up to 3,000 meters away. 40k wins 40k always wins.
3,000 meters isn't far at all ya know? Mile long shot? Only twice that. pshh. Normal human trained can do a mile, a M1 tank can kill past that 3km, then you got future sci-fi MI flying around. Although I must admit taking a 10million degree blast to the face and living does make those space marines kinda like gods.
Angel Lara. No they have nueral implants that make them safe and loyal. Also, the books explain that they can exit their armor. Only the specific character Tychus ( in the cutscene you see in the video ) is explicitly mentioned to be locked into his armor
@@anturanx They are not really machine guns, games portray them as machine guns but they are not, they are semi automatic fire anti material rifle that explodes and thats their side arm... a bolt pistol. A Heavy bolter would be like a machine gun equivalent however. Apparently firewarrior game portrayed them the most accurate ruclips.net/video/A4BD8uiTUGw/видео.html
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Well, technically speaking, a universe and military as large as the Imperiums fighting on so many different fronts without rest and the fact they can keep all of these controlled, reinforced and supplied means their logistics would have to be run by Batman on ten pounds of cocaine.
And yet, a hundred Space Marines is probably akin to a hundred thousand humans - or more - depending on situation. A hundred Space Marines could slaughter millions upon millions of humans in a short span of time and would most likely be able to take on entire armies (of our tech-level), again, depending on situation.
He wasn't being specific, but the Flesh Tearers recruit by picking the final ten of hundred potential recruits that survive against each other in open combat. Imperial Fists have a pain box that recruits train in, and are punished in (at high threshold.)
"Space Marines just are here to look cool." "Let them be the last gift to the species I failed." I believe the Emperor made then to kill the overpowered enemies of Man who have weapons that turn you into screaming meat chunks.
You might want to read some canon starcraft books. They have some details on training and terran soldiers. The armor does come off. Just not in tychus' case
@@jamespaguip5913 Except the fact that Terran Marines looks similar to 40k SM and Zerg looks vaugely like Tyranids what else is there? Also look up Tyranids before and after starcraft 1's release, They both took a loot of INSPIRATION of eachother.
Some points of information about Terran marines and the StarCraft Universe in general: - Up till recently, Terran Marines were mostly convicts or dissidents rapidly converted into soldiers using a neural reprogramming method which makes them sufficiently obedient and skilled to be sent into battle. The idea is as close as you can get to "mass produced human infantry". Hence the label "cookie cutter soldiers". This also worked as a convenient lore explanation for why you can train and field soldiers so fast in the game. However, as of the most recent point in the StarCraft storyline, Neural Resocialization has been deemed unethical by the Terran Dominion government, and marines are now mostly volunteers who go through normal military training. - Terran Marines can get in or out of their armour (generally called CMC armour) wherever they want. When Tychus Findlay got locked into his armour, he had been a convict for many years, and the Terran government did this to him as part of a deal: "kill a certain person for us, Findlay, and we'll set you free!" - That said, the fact that you can live with the armour on for an entire campaign shows how complete the armour's life support is, including a built-in-latrine". It also says something about the armour's power source (a miniature cold fusion reactor). No matter how long a campaign takes, I've never heard of a CMC armour user having to "recharge" his armour. - CMC armour is also highly customisable. There's one instance in the comics of a mercenary firing mini-missiles from all over his CMC armour, gundam style. The added strength of the armour also allows the user to, by himself, lift a blast door, or wield heavy weapons that an unarmoured human cannot lift, like the Gauss Cannon. - Due to how ubiquitous CMC armour is (the user could be anyone from a redshirt to a general), there is no niche in StarCraft equivalent to the MI, Spartans or Astartes, whose status as elite warriors is in part expressed in their power armour and equipment. The closest, in terms of elite status, might be the Ghosts, being superhuman black ops. - Most of the Terran factions we see in StarCraft are the descendants of humans exiled far away from Earth. (Believe it or not, Earth has yet to appear in any StarCraft game or novel.) They now live in a part of the galactic fringe known as the Koprulu Sector. Their style reflects a "Wild Wild West"/"frontier colonist" theme. Their heroes (at least the story protagonists) are more like "space cowboys" than space marines". - There is a human faction centred on Earth, the UED. They're much more technologically advanced than the K Sector Terrans, but are still impressed by the latters' weapon designs and level of militarisation. When they sent an expedition to the K Sector, they mostly converted and used local assets, so we don'tknow what the full set of UED military equipment looks like.
R Soul you understand, that there is no 1 type of Space Marine in 40k. He over generalises everything about them, even though he mentions and shows several Chapters. Take the Legion of the Damned. These guys are one of several things; the souls of dead Marines made manifest, time travelers from a worse timeline than the 40k one, erasing themselves from history to change the timeline, and an entire chapter (1000 Marines, because any more is too deadly to the Imperium) got lost in the Warp. These guys can teleport, and eternally burn as they die a painful death, whilst killing everything that faces the Imperium. Tell me how Stormtroopers are better than these guys?
Kazuto Kirigaya not sure if you recognise sarcasm mate, I was attempting to highlight how pissweak stormtroopers are, as they cannot hit the side of a barn, and their ceramic armour is vulnerable to jumped up teddy bears, but hey, thanks for the lessons regarding 40k, I feel totally chastened now, your nerd power is clearly superior to my own.
Kazuto Kirigaya agree 100%, people often make wildly foolish claims in RUclips comment sections, I thought what I initially posted was stupid enough that people would recognise it as such, we all really need a sarcasm emoji or something.
The Bolter is one of their weakest weapons as it transfers less energy than .50 BMG, the plasma gun however, oh and the Melta, or the volkite weapons oh God.
@@lqg4395 Star Craft's C-14 rifle shoots an 8mm tungsten round at hypersonic speeds. 30 of them a second, to be exact. Could probably kill anything else on the list.
You are my finest warriors. LIKE clay I shall mould you. And you be forge in the furnace of war. Whit the mightiest weapons shall you be arm. No sickness shall blight you. You are the bulwark against the terror, the defender of humanity. You are my Space Marines and you shall know no fear!!!
*correction* They shall be my finest warriors, these men who give of themselves to me. Like clay I shall mould them, and in the furnace of war forge them. They will be of iron will and steely muscle. In great armour shall I clad them and with the mightiest guns will they be armed. They will be untouched by plague or disease, no sickness will blight them. They will have tactics, strategies and machines so that no foe can best them in battle. They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines and they shall know no fear.
@@juliancasas9268 Oh shut up brah. We're talking about sci fi not fantasy. Behave yourself otherwise I'll just shut your entire pathetic fiction with just one character...Dr Manhattan.
Internet Zen Master well... Horus was turned by a wound from a chaos blade, not *really* his fault, Magnus, poor poor Magnus, didn't deserve a thing that came his way. Even Lorgar, it was actually more Kor Pharon I would say
Internet Zen Master damn the Emperor who cast out his own sons as mere pawns in a universe they barely understood with the threat of death for the slightest disobedience.
Not even a question, Doomguy was actually trapped and killed by the demons at end of first episode in the original game. He just respawned in hell and killed everything in it.
You forgot to mention the other version of power armor Adeptus Astartes use, such as Terminator armor and Centurion armor. These give them even MORE of an edge.
HORRIOR there's really no point of mentioning other armors since its already op compare to the other universe. I don't no about 40k universe am more into halo I would like to know 40k but my experience with the community is quite toxic like they bash the other universe with out giving a reasoning or analyzing other universe. Pretty much dick measuring contest
Fariko SharrK just read the lore on the wiki app or the black library. Or i recommend going on the channel the vaults of terra and look at the beginners playlist into the 40k universe
wιѕegυy I know it’s a joke entry in one of these there honestly one of the worst sci-fi army’s of all time in my opinion but that’s what I like about them
Reads Heinlein: Remember the good old days when you could burn 50,000 civilians to death and nobody would call it a war crime? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
How is it a joke entry? Try reading the book, Starship Troopers was Heinlen's first real success as an Author, and the MI were anything BUT incompetant in the book. The film takes the prominant names (not always their sexes however, no women in the MI), some of the prominant events (Klindathu for example), and leaves out EVERYTHING else, including the Mobile Infantry Power Armour. There is a LOT of evidence to suggest that the modern view of Power Armour was BORN in the book, every suit of Power Armour you see in modern games/fiction has its genesis in the Mobile Infantry Combat Armour.... Interesting inclusion, yes, joke? No, but only if you are talking about the BOOK version of the Mobile Infantry and NOT the film version.
correction for SC marines: the armors CAN be taken off, and can allow the user to run up to ~40MPH The armor itself is mainly made to assist the user in using their primary weapon, the C-14. Reason being most standard weapons from that universe can easily wreck the armor (C-14 was seen overpenetrating the armor in one of WoL cutscenes)
The hardest thing about comparing Terran Space Marines to the others on this list is, these guys are the run of the mill regulars. So they are actually the equivalent of Imperial Guard from the 40k and those random Marines that roll into Covenant grenades from Halo. They are really not the "Elite of the Elite" like Spartans or 40k Marines that you're trying to compare them too. I've not read Starship Troopers in a long time so I don't actually have much of an input on them with the exception of the Personal Nukes they had. Those. Things. Were. Awesome.
Well I mean their not the bottom rung of the later. Space Marines in SC are. Hahaha I think they would be more akin to the Imperial Guards if anything.
Yeah, SC marines are just the basic grunts, not the best of the best. A terran ghost is really their "elite" forces, with the genetic engineering, psychic abilities and powerful tech.
of Anwyl: They can be sent in alone as assassins, but also have battlefield uses as well. Ghosts abilities in the SC games included: firing EMP blasts to take down shields, firing anti-vehicle lockdown rounds and targeting tactical nuclear warheads. Plus they're equipped with a cloaking device that allows them to fire while cloaked. They're pretty much a multi-role unit, though unlike the conventional space marine type, they're more lightly armored but make up for that with their cloak.
Bryce Avret Of course they are unique but the basic idea stays the same. In The end they are human faction with guns and tanks. Orks on the other hand...
Keep this in mind when thinking about the Adeptus Astarties...they are not even CLOSE to being the most powerful soldiers in the 40K universe and can be picked off quite easily by other things such as tyranids, Orks, Eldar, Necrons...to an extent Tau and last but not least Chaos warriors. The reason Space Marines of the Imperium of man are so out there is they have to be in a galaxy full of things born and bread to kill anything that moves.
Jaeger_Bishop mmm well I’d say they are the most powerful, but not the most numerous by any means, and they exist in a world filled with many factions who can almost match them. One chapter of space marines can eradicate a world invested with orcs.
"I don't see a scenario where the mobile infantry could win" While yes a Spartan is faster, a Spartan just has some guns. The MI could just obliterate everything vaguely near the spartan and not worry about the fast-paced, close in fighting where reaction times are that important.
The Spartan or Space Marine wins the fight inside a research facility or some shit hands down. the Mobile Infantrymen wins the fight against any number of any faction given that he can stay a few miles away and doesn't run out of ammunition.
Yuuup. MI wins in travel speed, sensors, fire power, and weapon range against all the other factions. Since MI's engage from miles away, they would also have to be the most accurate. It isn't a contest.
@@Cain3697 seriously, firepower and range, um the Astartes Battle Barge would like a word about that, Battle Barges are capable of killing a planet from orbit, with a single torpedo at that, also Nukes are forbidden technology in 40k, meaning the imperium would declare the MI heretics and approve Exterminatus, meaning the use of said torpedoes
Defyer 64 No they aren't, you've probably never read a 40k book, or if you have they were only space marine battles books. The Imperial Guard, and Astra Militarum are the standard Imperium forces. Just because doesn't mean they are standard military.
Defyer 64 yeah if you know anything about the lore you'd know that the imperial guard is extremely common in every conflict. It's the space marines that are the "small" thing they sometimes throw at battles.
@MrCaptainkirk1984 Actually, one of the brutal ironies of how unrealistic 40k is overall is that it actually more or less nails exactly how large the scope of galaxy spanning civilization and galactic scale warfare would probably look. 'ERE WE GO!
Instead of comparing factions to eachother, perhaps ranking them in their influence in respect to their own universes would be an interesting alternate approach.
coming up on infra-red actual Replicators or Replicators that were given the short end of the stick by the authors like Azurans had gotten because of budget limitations of the show, huh?
_" They shall be my finest warriors, these men who give of themselves to me. Like clay I shall mould them and in the furnace of war I shall forge them. They shall be of iron will and steely sinew. In great armour I shall clad them and with the mightiest weapons shall they be armed. They will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight them. They shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best them in battle. They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines... _*_and they shall know no fear._*_ "_ - Emperor of Mankind
Man,starshipp troopers are so OP... Like they are like spartans,but with insane speed,to much weapons packed in only one suit,like unlimted ammo and they also are many....well they are the first super soldier in novels
MI are basically just the Starcraft Space Marines, given SPARTAN training routines, and 40k tier armor. So yeah, definately the 2nd place, since including the Astartes is just unfair, here. Woulda been more fun if it'd been something like a Nob or Kasrkin.
exactinmidget92 I suppose it depends on what you want. Guardsman already basically exist in the real world, as soldiers. But the Space Marines are these larger than life demi-gods, mixed with lore from Europeans knights (mostly, obvious exceptions are the White Scars etc). I like them because they can’t be real yet are steeped in tradition which is very much accessible in our world.
The thing I like best about the guard is that they represent how humans feel. Alone in a cold uncaring universe, we gather together in our tens, hundreds, thousands, and millions. We join together and demand to exist no matter the cost. I always liked the dynamic many of the space marines have with the Imperial Guard. The imperial guard look at them as their fighting saviors while the space marines look at the guard as a source of inspiration and a reason to keep fighting. Check out this vid, the animation isn't great but the speech is awesome. ruclips.net/video/qyGDo1ARpjI/видео.html
I feel like no one could really relate to the space marines unless we still had knightly ordos running around the world. There's no real experience comparable these days to being a chosen warrior raised and trained only to be a warrior. Which is nice 40k has that fantasy side of escaping reality while it also has something that you can relate to real life.
+MrHobbit 1234 as demonstrated by this video thats the problem with 40k. the universe is so dangerous that it makes star wars and star treak look like happy children's tv shows.
Well for one the malevolence can move faster to gain the advantage and fields thousands of fighters. Not sure what it's ion cannon would do. Also has better field of fire. The Mars Class has a few potential one shot weapons if it can hit.
StarCraft Marines aren't permanently sealed into their suits. That was a punishment leveled against the worst convicts, like Tychus Findlay, where they were expected to die fighting. You can see the main character Jim Raynor in and out of marine armor
In 40k as Neophyte, nutrient paste blend purposefully to be unappealing and if it happened to them to eat as Astartes, well literally anything they can found even rocks or dirt. Anyway eating only is for the weak and their power armors provide all the nutrients they need. (the only "exception" I know of are Space Wolves, drinking and eating toxics and indigestible wilde life, from their planet.)
Starcraft is very heavy on the lore. I think you ought to read some of the books before including them because you unintentionally misrepresent them. The book “Heavens Devils” by William Dietz goes over marine training and it’s about as much as halo marines. It’s not like they’re just thrown in the armor without any training and sent to their deaths. Their armor described in the novel “Queen of Blades”. (Aaron Rosenberg) as impervious to small arms fire and massively augments strength and speed. Terran marines aren’t themselves augmented, but the conscripted convicts are neurally resocialized to ensure safety and loyalty. Also their rifles are gauss assisted. The suit also has internal medical systems to prevent bleeding out and save the marines inside.
Terran Marines definitely got the short end of the stick in this analysis. The video could have done a lot more research and talked about the elite marine units like Nova's marines or Raynor and Tychus.
40K should be excluded from these lists it just saps the enjoyment, oh I wonder who’s gonna win. Of course it’s 40K everything in that universe is on supersteroids
Ryan Garmham We concur all that is not for the emperor for he protects man. We shall concur all the lands all the top 10s till no heresy or xeno is left alive
Marines are naval infantry per definition. The UNSC "Marines" like the United States or Royal Marines are an organizational service branch with different ranks, but that is just their name, as are their ranks.However Just like the Navy and Army have pilots despite not being in the Airforce, the Naval infantry are Marines, despite not having affiliation with the service branch.
Actually that isn't completely true, The Spartan Program when compared to IRL Combat Forces is more like the Navy Seals than the US Marine Corps. Master Chief operates solely under the command of the UNSC Navy as a Special Operations Soldier not as a typical Marine. He works along side of UNSC Marines, just like Navy Seal Snipers work along side of the US Marines, however he is not classified as a UNSC Marine, just as US Navy Seals are not classified as US Marines.
Hellfire918 the marine corps is not a special forces unit. Its a branch. Special forces equvalent in the corps would be the US MEU or the Force recon. Thats about it
I just changed the wording to combat forces because it was supposed to show the comparison of the Spartan Program, which is a spec ops, to a military branch such as UNSC Marines & how just because the Spartan are technical Navy Infantry they were not in fact UNSC Marines, just like US Navy Seals are not US Marines.
super futuristic tank-humanoids, carrying rocketlauncher-assault rifles and are stuffed with a shitload of super organs. The perfect warrior made by humanity, the Angels of Death. Gets killed by a green shroom on steroids with weapons a retarded blind and one armed blacksmith could craft better
DemonOfGadara that is the irk magic they would do worse and shit all over your other soldiers as well the magic makes armor virtually useless and makes their weapons immensely powerful only difference is space marines can kill more of them while the rest of these would be slaughtered.
DemonOfGadara it's like you read half the lore on orks and then stopped. They generate waaagh fields, auras eminating from their being. The more orks you gather the stronger the waaagh field they generate. If they all believe something then the waaagh field makes it true. Space marine engineers once took apart a ork tank to find no mechanical systems. Just a big box labeled "injen". They paint their vehicals red because red vehicles go faster... and then they actually do. Once a warboss amasses such a huge waaagh of orks that they easily destroyed every defense the imperium had and were about to invade earth itself. Then they got bored and decided to use their waaagh power to teleport to a more difficult universe. And then they popped away. Because orks are fucking nuts. Think about how terrifying that is. 10 foot tall fungus monsters hellbent on killing stuff constantly and whatever they believe is true simply becomes true and nothing you do can stop that and once they infect a planet the only way to rid the planet of them is to scorch the planet completely. Makes the flood look like a swarm of house flies.
I just oversimplyfied for the sake of the joke ;) Have you some source on the "Giant Waaaaagh just popped into another Universe"-thing? That's really new to me :D
Starcraft C-14 Gauss Rifles are incredibly underrated. They fire 8mm DU spikes (not standard bullet rounds) at hypersonic speeds. Each spike is about 8 cm long, and weighs about 80-90 grams. In the end, a projectile flying that fast, and being that heavy is around the strength of a 25-30mm round. C-14 Gauss Rifles also have a fire rate of 30 rounds per second, but normally Marines fire in 10 round bursts unless they are using Stimpacks. It also standardly holds around 200 of these spikes before needing to be reloaded. That's still not all. The Terran Marine's armor also essentially gives them aim bot among many other sensors, including IFR. It also augments their strength and speed. I would easily rank a C-14 over a bolter firing only standard rounds, and I'd rank every weapon on this list above the MA5D rifles the Spartans have. I forgot to mention that C-14s also have underslung rocket/grenade launchers standardly equipped.
you do realize Starcraft was initially planned as a 40k video game right? Chris metzen is a huge 40k fan and everything in Starcrat was a hasty derivation after GW backed out of the project (protoss = eldar, zerg = tyranids). the "standard round" for a 40k bolter is a 75mm self-propelled armor piercing explosive.A bolter is literally a handheld missile launcher. Then there are the variants like any of the heavy bolter patterns which are essentially a handheld missle launcher firing at the rate of an LMG. Space Marine armor mkII - mk X can shrug off bolter rounds and require repeated hits or precision shots to weakpoints before enemy fire hits skin. The equivalent name for a C-14 Gauss Rifle in the 40k universe is an "auto gun" or "auto rifle" and is derided for being weak and ancient relics.
@@NapGod StarCraft was never planned to be a Warhammer game with developers backing out. That was Warcraft. Bolters fire 19mm HEAP rounds, which are .75 caliber, not 75mm rounds. Even heavy bolters fire bolts with a diameter of around 25mm, and StarCraft Marines also have heavier weapons, such as the heavy gauss rifle, gauss cannon, and underslung grenade and missile launchers, in addition to shoulder-mounted rockets each capable of destroying a tank. 40K Auto rifles have a muzzle velocity of 825 m/s, while gauss rifles have a velocity of at least 1715 m/s given their hypersonic nature. Autoguns also have a fire rate of 625 rounds per second, and typically are not linked with sensors and aimbots. So C14s have over twice the muzzle velocity at minimum, almost 3 times the fire rate (and that's before ultra capacitors, which increase fire rate), and fire rounds that are also made of self-sharpening, pyrophoric, radioactive depleted uranium, in addition to likely being denser than the metal, plastic, or ceramic that autogun rounds are made of. Then there's aimbot, stim, acoustics, IFR, other sensors, resoc, HUDs that display friendlies and known hostiles, and the far superior protection and mobility of powered armor, in addition to many round types that can be quickly switched to on the battlefield for better armor penetration, explosive power, incindiary capabilities, etc. StarCraft was arguably more inspired by Starship Troopers and Alien, but I can see the resemblance.
“We have arrived, and it is now that we fulfill our charge. In fealty to the God-Emperor (our Undying Lord), and by the grace of the Golden Throne, I declare exterminatus upon this endless thread of “my xeno is better than your xeno” arguments. I hereby sign the Death Warrant of an entire reply section, and consign a million souls to oblivion. May Imperial justice account in all balance. The Emperor protects."
Bonus Starship Versus video on the second channel, including the Viscount vs Executor and others: ruclips.net/video/zAP89oa5Fug/видео.html
EckhartsLadder The Funniest thing happened. I opened youtube up right when you uploaded this video
Could a Terran Dominion Army successfully defend Echo base from the empire.
Eckharts check out the arcadia from captain harlock
EckhartsLadder this is not even an contest.
The train Marin can get out of there sut in the game it's a plot point
Dreadnoughts, because sending grandpa to the rest home wasn't hardcore enough.
Dreadnoughts: Because dying is no excuse to stop fighting
Send more men. They're all dead?
Okay then.
Send their coffins
@@swordbrethrenmordred1230 *their
The comment won the internet.
Dreadnoughts. The Mobile armoured rest home.
Who are the best Space Marines?
Trick question: It's the Space Marines
*Laughs in High Gothic*
Wrong! It's those blue berries
Spaes mahreeens!!!
Friggin Smurfs
*laughs in purging heretics*
Drop, Drop, Drop your pod, inside defensive ring, Lock and Load in purging mode, Imperial Space Marines.
Oh yeah
My emperor, i'm gonna make this a thing.
This just made Big E laugh so hard he shit a Warp Storm out right on top of Cadia.
I could see the salamanders singing this
This needs more likes
Here's a bit of lore for the Terran Marines - I remember in the original game manual for StarCraft: Brood War under the field medic it said something to the effect of "the addition of medics in Marine companies has extended the combat lifespan of the individual soldier by well over 8 seconds."
Lol
Yup remember that
For me, the part that cracks me the fuck up is the beautiful use of the well placed word "Well"
Terran marines are less Space Marines and more Imperial Guard with extra armor
I think it just goes to show how much stronger everything else in the Starcraft universe is.
*Laughs in high gothic*
YESSS
Hello sir can the guardsmen get ok equipment... No... Ok
Why do you think guardsmen are almost as well known for stealing as the Bloody Magpies?
Made following this youtube link worthwhile. = D
QuazzaP Maybe the answer is the faction whose space marines are actually called Space Marines.
40k is the equivalent of a nuke in a stone throwing contest
Edit: more like an exterminatus
fuzzy I love 40k and I agree
fuzzy just put doomslayer and it’s bye bye the entire army of these dum dum
Nah
@@frankygroleau9579 Exterminatus and Space Warp (Chaos) fuckery would trap him i would believe
@@frankygroleau9579 Dreaming is Free xD
Addendum, concerning StarCraft: given the fact Jim Raynor can get in and out of the suit, it appears that you’re only sealed in the suit if you are conscripted from the prisons. If you’re a normal conscript/volunteer you can get in and out of the combat suit.
Even then, Tychus was a very special case where the Dominion dictator put him in the suit with an automatic death trap to boot
Marine: How do I get out of this chickensh*t outfit?
Raynor: Dude, you just take off the suit.
Thank you. Came to say it. Tychus is the only example I can think of, where the person cannot take off the armor
Tychus explains that he was imprisoned, when talking to Jim Raynor in the bar.
@@cdcdrr by outfit they mean unit. Not the armour.
In Warhammer 40k, nothing is overpowered because everything is overpowered. That thing you just saw wipe out an entire squad of Space Marines just got it's head bit off by something else.
Everyone's op except imperial guard
@@joshspink a single impérial guard yes…. But even à space marine chapter would have trouble againts a properly equipped krieg army, I mean your bolter is gonna run out of ammo someday
I mean they aren't that op. The flood easily outrank the tyrrinids if they had the same biomass and 3 jedi could probably take a non psyker space marine
@@connormcgehee9349 yes but space marines are Way, Way more common than a Jedi.
@@bestdogshadow383
That is true
It’s really not fair and was never meant to be
"Today we are looking at Space Marines"
Wonder who is gonna win
"We'll be ranking them based on deadlyne-"
Ok it's 40k then.
Strike Legion, but hey, who's counting.
Except a Boltor can be fired point blank, the nuke? Not so much. Besides the warhammer space marines could easily survive a nuke that didn't actually detonate on top of them (in the lore they are fully capable of surviving virus bombing with the life eater virus, which is a weapon that make s a nuke look like a love tap in comparison to what it can do to a planet.)
and the Space Marines have the exterminatus device :P
almost never is not never is it? And one can do hell of a lot more damage then a nuke.
A tiny defense of the StarCraft Marine is that, in universe, it's basically a god weapon against all conventional weaponry and is treated as such.
StarCraft Marines are used as anti-air defenses against everything Terran but Behemoth Class Battlecruisers and they have targeting computers that let them actually land some shots on the clairvoyant superbeings that are Zealots. The rounds are fired at hypersonic speeds and ignore many feet of futuristic duracrete as they're basically used to level buildings.
Things like Siege Tanks and even military grade Vultures make things like Scorpion Tanks and Lemun Russ Tanks look like fodder.
The reason they seem like fodder in the StarCraft Universe is because things in the StarCraft Universe are so impossibly overpowered. I mean, Zealots can turn into pure energy and can run at 250+ mph while seeing the future and having 300+ years of battle experience and have perfect teamwork with their units because they're all psychic. Did I mention Psiblades that literally ignore durability of... well basically anything in their universe but other types of psiblades?
A StarCraft Marine at any significant range should turn Spartan II's into hunks of shredded meat.
A better title should have been “Which faction has the second best space marines?”
Jokes aside, don't Mobile Infantry throw nukes around and practically fly? I'm confused how 40K Space Marines beat that when they are beaten by standard bolter rounds. I've also heard that MI armor can tank most anything underneath high explosive or anti-tank rounds.
@@Noah-zz8uw The joke was more that most people never consider that things from 40k actually have weaknesses and can be beaten. I usually just see either "HURR DURR EMPEROR INQUISITION HERESY", or some decade-old fluff that's regularly contradicted by every visual depiction.
@@viperblitz11 yeah. I figured.
@@Noah-zz8uw Starship trooper are the equivalent to the Astra Militarum from 40k, and most people forget about them as a faction entirely because they are just basic infantry with basic weopons... but that's why they are my favorite faction and why I love starship troopers so much, cause they beat an unbeatable enemy with numbers/bullets, as well as heavy weaponry
@@cbcastlecastillo144 perhaps, but soldier for soldier, Mobile Infantry should have what is necessary to beat Cadian Shock Troops, Kasrkin, and even Space Marines in many scenarios.
Who will win this one?
Inquisitorial Laughing
Asking this question is heresy!
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Why does even put Warhammer in this
*Laughs in Black Templar*
@@haydensmith2991 why not?
The moment 40k got involved everyone else was playing for second
Wrong, if warframe gets involved only 0s everyone going to have to play. ( We have a guy that freeze time! )
@@TheDragonfriday still cant kill a space marine
@@anonymousaj6418 they sure can..
@@TheDragonfriday IF THE EMPEROR WILLS IT THE ADEPTUS ASTARTIES WILL OVERCOME ANY THREAT TO HUMANITY!! ONLY FILTHY XENOS AND CHAOS WORSHIPPING HERETICS WOULD CLAIM OTHERWISE!!
@@TheDragonfriday *We have a guy that freeze time!*
Psykers: Just time?
*sees title*
"Wow, is this even a contest?"
Nope
I know, right? The StarShip Trooper MI suit is ridiculously OP. A single one could take out dozens of the other marines from 50 kilometers away with those mini-nukes. They are also way too fast to be brought into range of the other factions' weapons. :P
I would like to listen to what he says but I see 40K then I just tune it out. (I love his vids I just wish he'd leave them out.)
ivan ivanovitch ivanovsky fuck the psykers, get the wulfen
Cain3697 seriously xD someone clesrly doesn't know anything about spehssmuhreens
Not true about the Starcraft marine armor being "life-long". You can get in and out of it at will more or less. The armor you see in the trailer was one specific version that was meant to be a prison for the person inside it. Hence, it's permanent.
Not exactly, the suit that Thycus wore (which is the character that appears in the trailer of Wings of Liberty) was specifically modified for that function but it was not a permanent prison suit either, what they did to this suit was in the words of Matt Horner, install a sophisticated transponder which was designed to emit a pulse that would immediately deactivate the vital organs of Thycus killing him in case he will try to take off the suit or someone else will try to remove the suit, this was obviously a preventive measure implemented by Menks to ensure that he would not try to escape and that he would keep his word to kill Kerrigan at the first opportunity, I imagine that in addition to that the suit should contain some security mechanism like a system that will warn those in charge of monitoring Thycus which would warn them if he tried to take off his suit, but beyond that the suit he was wearing was no different to the standardized suits of the Marines Corps.
@@RexMK- His suit was just as permanent as prison. It was welded together to prevent removal. You can argue that someone could remove it but in the same vein you can break someone out of prison, as well. There were two ways the suit was used in Starcraft: for regular infantry it could be removed or for prisoners serving a sentence it was permanently sealed until they died or their sentence was served.
Rex MK-0.153 no he did not wear a regular armor. Raynor wears a regular armor which he can just get in and out of, same as every other terran marine. The conscripted criminals are brainwashed so they think that they serve of their own free will. Tychus is a special case in all regards abd does not reflect the typical terran marine.
Basically, if Tychus tries to take off the suit, he dies. If he fails to kill Kerrigan, he dies.
This discussion is HERESY!
EVEN IN DEATH I STILL SERVE - DREADNOUGHT, a walking badass coffin
"Brother Santodes! Convince them!"
*Laughs at the legion of the dammed*
I think it is more interesting to rate how powerful the space marines are in their respective universes.
In 40k space marines are no where near the most scary things in existence, while in Starship Troopers nothing matches the mobile infantry.
Be Careful here because the Mobile Infantry in Starship Troopers are Army and in fact if I remember the book, the Marines in Starship Troopers are actually ass and are used how Marines are supposed to be used which is protecting navy.
@@Seriona1 nah, starship troopers in the book are super troopers. Their armor costs a fortune. Each Mobile Infantry unit is near equivalent of a helicopter in price or so.
starship troopers MI can blow up whole cities by themselves, while darting around at incredible speeds. They'd give the Warhammer marines a run for their money for sure.
@@mofogie That has nothing to do with what I said.
I quite like the starship troopers one if my favorite movies but let’s be real none of these sci fi universes beat out the 40k marines.
*sees Warhammer*
“Welp, I know who’s gonna win”
It's definitely warframe going to win easily.
TmanTheTdog The MI actually gives 40k a run for its money this time around.
Even if WH is not on the list... it wins.
@@MacCoalieCoalson is this heresy I smell
TheDragonfriday Warhammer is the deadliest space marines.
The 40k marines have 3 lungs, 2 hearts, a gland in their mouth that makes acid, ribs are fused together, and their bones have ceramic or some shit, ability to eat basically anything for substance, and a bunch more stuff I'm forgetting. Their armor cant even be compared to a tank of today, and they can live for thousands of years.
They can see in extreme low-light conditions even without optical assistance (Occulobe), acquire knowledge by eating (Omophagea), have a pre-stomach that can digest or neutralise dangerous substances (Preomnor), require no sleep (Catalespean Node), enter voluntary medical comas to survive extreme trauma (Su-san Membrane), track through taste (Neuroglottis), and biomechanically interface directly with their Power Armour to use it at a reflexive level (Black Carapace).
Also, the eldest known Space Marine alive in the current continuity, not counting those contained in stasis, sustained in Dreadnought armour (Bjorn the Fell-Handed is over ten thousand years old) or thrown out of time by the currents of the Warp, is Lord Commander Dante of the Blood Angels Chapter, who is believed to be around 1'547 years old.
Not thousands, more like 500-1000. Only few live that long
@@jamesjudice3184 Technically they can live far longer than that. Granted I'm referring to a Dreadnought, but Bjorn the Fell-Handed met the Emperor once, before the Horus Heresy. He's still alive, though he spends most of his time in stasis.
@@jamesjudice3184 do we really know how long they can live i dont think theres ever been a case of a space marine dying of old age
I thing they have more then 2 hearths,
40K is realistic.
I mean, when you paint something in red, it's logical that thing move faster.
IT'S SCIENCE !
lol
Correction: FASTA!! WAAAGH!!!
If I paint da gunz red does they get more dakka
No, ya dum grot. Youz got ta paint dem green, cauz green iz da best, and dat means dat green gunz have da best dakka.
Necrons rejoice we have the best dakka!
@@Necrodermis Ther iz never enough dakka
In starcraft, only Tychus's armor was designed to never come off, as he was previously sentenced to a life in prison, the other marines could get out of their armour
Terrain marines are just prisoners not trained soldier.
@@jamespaguip5913 half of the marines are prisoners other are normal humans
W40k Space Marines are not just superhuman soldiers, they're literally demigods with a chainsaw.
Technically Their Gene-Fathers(Primarchs) Are Demi-Gods, Space marines are just more evolved humans they just took a shortcut to evolve faster(Gene-seeds)
@DokScy i'd rather give them jump packs, power swords and melta pistols haha, but thats my Blood Angel way of making every thing badass lol
And with a RPG shooting machine gun.
Duh duh dah, Duh duh dah, Duh duh dah, Duh duh dah, Ruduh duh dah.
@@SwedishBroManDude what a person who kills demons is more powerful then people who also kill demons
Didn't need an 11 minute video on this, just needed to refer to the Codex Astartes:
SPEHS MEHREENS
Tehre is noh time to beh lohst!
Batul Brothas!
Spehss Mahrens, todeh the enemeh is at oua doar! We know oua duteh and we will do eet. We fight for our honor as Blod Rehvens,
as SPESS MAHRENS, and we fight in the nehme of the Empra!
And if we die this deh we die in gloareh, we die heroes' deffs, but we shall not die, no! It is the enemeh who will tehste
deff and defeat!
As you know! Moast of oua battle brothars are shtehtioned in SPEHSS, Pruhpeared to deep strike! Oua perimeter has been
pruhpeared in the even dat oua enehmies should be so bald and so foolish. We have plehced numerous beacons, allowing for
muhltiple, simuln-tehneous and devashtehting defensive deep strikes
The Codecks astartees nehmes this maneuvah Steel Rehn. We will descend upon the foe, we will ovawhelm them - we will leave none
alive! Meanwhile oua ground fawses will ensue the full defense of oua headkwaters
We are the spehss mahrens! WE ARE THE EMPRA'S FUREH!
Tohdeh the enemeh stands at ouah doah!
yep
Of course we do .. We need an 11 minute video to tell us about those normal humans in power armor who get one shotted by Spartans and ripped apart by Space Marines. lol.
Why y'all talking like orks when addressing space marines ;P HERESY purge these heretics!!!!
*Reads video title* Oh sweet, a contest for second place.
When it came to Starcraft you missed some right off the bat. There is No problem for the Terran marines to exit their suit. As can be seen in the games and in most of the novels.
As much as I enjoy these vids, what’s the point, it’s 40k. It will always be 40k, it’s a universe based on endless war.
Not to mention founded on a society hundreds of thousands of years in the future, where people literally worship technology, as compared to these other universes that are set, at most, several hundred years in the future.
Right, it's unfair to compare Halo humans since they're only in year 2557 versus year 40,000 in WH. Bring out Prehistoric Humans or Forerunners instead who could roflstomp all of WH40k easily.
Well yeah, but the Warhammer 40K universe is like the Superman of sci-fi. Everything is ridiculously overpowered due to being written that way, it's all style and no substance. And I frankly dont even think of the Warhammer universe as that cool. It is inconsistent, they are futuristic marines yet they also use oversized sledgehammers. :S
Not to forget, they have the most varied armies to fight against.
Most other of these franchises only have...what, 2 maybe 3 factions at most.
40k has 8 different factions...(if you condense the pure Chaos factions).
Chaos.
Traitor Space Marines.
Tau and their slave allies.
Eldar.
Dark Eldar.
Necrons.
Tyrannids.
Orks.
Need I say more.
Emil Sohn when you are a 2.1/2.5 meters high demigod of a man, clad in nigh-impenetrable armor, using a powerhammer as long as you are does make sense
*[Laughs in High Gothic]*
Yes, of course we win.
LAUGH IN LOW GOTHIC
*[TZEENTCHIAN CHUCKLE]*
Just as planned
*[Laughs in Khornate]*
Oh wait, I mean *[Laughs in Low Gothic]*
7:26 Starcraft armor DOES come off. It IS removable. The main character [Jim/James Raynor] is seen several times in all the games both in and out of armor.
SteelWolf13 i dont think he does much research
Yeah. Honestly, I think SC should place 2nd on this list. Their armor is a full grade above spartan and definitely on par with mobile infantry. And their c14 rifles put out more kinetic energy per second than a scorpion tank.
Anything spartans would typically have wouldn't put a dent in that armor and anything the terran have would rip spartans in half.
Although he is correct that terran do severely lack training, he also forgets that the terran are descendants of a prisoner ship that crashed and then they built civilization from the wreck. These are intensely hardy and naturally badass people.
Yeah. Tychus' armor is locked on because he's a prisoner - it's a mobile cell that he can still use to fight when his commanders permit it. Regular troops only wear theirs for battle.
Even Raynor tells a joke about that: "Why can´t you take off your armor? did you bust the zip or something?"
Since 60% of most Korpulu's space marines are convicts. Who also die in the line of duty, saying it is on for life is kind of fitting.
Starship troopers: BRUTAL TRAINING
40k: your ded? Nope get up
You know that just made me laugh to no end
You ded?
Yup.
Well shit ok then I will be right back with your assault cannon and tank busting fist armed coffin. Hang out here for a few.
@@Classicwowsilver really now? Well glad to hear that i made u laugh ahahah
@@kevinyoung5728 *sigh* you dead again?
Yep
Well fucking get up your a saint now
You ded? Yes? Get up
Starcraft Nerd here: Tycus was locked into his suit as a punishment after prison. Others like Raynor could go in and out at will. In one mission during the SC2: wings of liberty campaign Raynor specifically orders “No one outside without a suit. That won’t be a problem for you Tycus”
Also the C-14 rifle is significantly more powerful than any of the other weapons used by the other space marines. For that reason alone, the SC marine should be much higher on the list, if not the 1# spot.
@@nephithegreat1335 more powerful than a bolter i dont think
@@megamente7849 ok for some reason my previous 2 comments didn't save, so hopefully this one will. Basically, 40k Space Marines come in many shapes and sizes, and in many different power levels. There are some bolter rounds (plasma I think?) that do significantly more than the usual, and as such probably much more than a SC marine, but I'm just referring to standard 40k marines with standard bolters. SC Marines use the C-14 gauss rifle, which fires an 8mm spike of depleted uranium at hypersonic speeds. As such, these bullets travel almost 2x as fast as a .50 bmg round. These are also spikes, not normal bullets, meaning there is no ejected case, but the entire round is fired, again being extremely large. These rounds are fired at 1500 rpm. As such, the C-14 is much more powerful than a friggin A10 warthog.
As such, this is much more firepower than a standard 40k space marine. The real kicker here though is the fact that these are the cheep, massed ground infantry units. They are made extremely quickly from readily available resources, and are nothing short of extremely common. This video does not take into account that most SC marines also have a sort of aim bot, and frequently use a drug referred to as "stim pack" which which heightens their reaction speed and aggressiveness, allowing them to fight much quicker and deal more damage. This Eckharts says that there is not much lore given for SC, and while he is correct that it does not have as much as Halo or 40k, it seems pretty obvious to me that Eckharts never bothered to read the full wiki page. Sorry this was long.
TLDR:
The SC marine's rifle is more powerful than an A10 warthog's autocannon, and they have much more going for them than Eckharts explains
@@megamente7849 the c-14 kicks the crap out of the bolter. When you do the math, it is not even close.
@@megamente7849 The bolter is honestly a garbage weapon by even modern human standards. An AR-15 w/ something like m855a1 or m995 has a greater penetration value over a massive round like a bolter's .75 only moving at 850 FPS. so like an AR could potentially one tap a SM with good ammo.
The idea of the bolter and its stats were developed in the 1980s when body armor was a flak jacket and prayers so a mini grenade launcher would have seemed like the bees knees. Power weapons and heavy bolter are a different story tho.
plasma pistols and melta guns might put the SM back on top.
One misconceptions painted by the opening cinematic of StarCraft 2 wings of liberty is that marines are stuck in their suit until they die, that is simply not true. Only convicts were put in these kind of suits so that they function as their mobile prison cells and if they'd do something wrong they could be killed by their suit
Der Don I thought it would be pretty obvious that it's only typhus who is stuck in there, considering one of the first dialogues when you meet Mat is "someone's modified his armour so that he is locked in" but people don't pay attention I guess
Plus in the first mission Raynor is in armor, while in the rest of the game he isn't.
Imperitus that right there, I've thought that everyone would've gotten it by now because of that. And the second that you talk with Tychus and he states that he is in some kinda debt.
It was not even all convicts, it was just tychus because he had a deal with mengsk, the leader of the terran dominion in person
I will admit though, there is some credence to the theory, and there are apparently a lot of convicts in there, as one of the marines lines is something about getting out of the "Chicken shit outfit." or something along those lines.
No mention of the Astartes having acid spit, a third lung for breathing water, nearly unbreakable bones, the ability to take knowledge directly from an enemy by eating their brain, and their ability to stay awake for weeks by sleeping half of their brain at a time.
Okay, so I knew about all of that stuff beforehand, but when in Terra's tits were they able to monch on some mad cranium and get crazy knowledge? Is this one of the organ implants, Primaris fuckery, or what?
There is an organ which allows them to get genetic information from lets say, some animal they eat in the field. Assuming that instinctive behavior is encoded in the DNA, its for developing survival strategies on hostile planets on the fly. And no, i doubt any sane Marine would think of eating an enemys brain, its a heretical act in the end. But its common in some Traitor Legions, i think. At least i heard, for example the Iron Warriors eat their Slaves if there is nothing else.
+Bad Medicine It's called the Omophagea, it's an implant that has been part of the standard Astartes creation process since the beginning. A mutation in that organ is what led to Blood Angels' rituals for drinking blood.
+Helini Knallkopp There are at least two Blood Angel successor chapters that use this ability frequently to learn about their enemies.
Astartes are so ridiculously over-augmented it's a wonder why anyone ever bothers doing these kinds of comparisons with them.
ok ill be honest that really wouldn't help to much
1. Acid spit even the strongest Acid that can exist can only eat through things so fast (Xenomorph acid is completely impossible) on top of that a thin coating of plastic and your acid wont do shit regardless.
2. a third lung for breathing water I mean ok (but shouldn't your armor do that and how often are you going to be fighting underwater that a third lung to breath it is even nessary)
3. nearly unbreakable bones (I dont remember that one I know their Bones were ahell of a lot stronger but given everything in 40k or just in real life I actually think nearly unbreakable is a bit of a stretch)
4. "by eating their brain" that isn't as effective as you think the one time its used it took days for the space marine to find the information he wanted and even than that information managed to leave out that the area was a trap.. :P granted that was the only time that ability was ever really used in any form of story so it could just be an outlier they haven't corrected. (do they make it so space marines are ok with eating brains.... I feel like that's a big issue.... also what if the brain is none carbon based..... what happens if its acidic or poisonous..... this just seams gross to be honest)
5. "ability to stay awake for weeks by sleeping half of their brain at a time. " that is not how biology works or brain chemistry.... but ill admit that one is really cool.... still dosnt make sense but cool
7:30 only Tychus got in for life. The armor does come off generally, you also forgot their shields.
Yeah
*I AM THE HAMMER*
*I AM THE POINT OF HIS SPEAR*
*I AM THE MAIL ABOUT HIS FIST*
*I AM THE BANE OF HIS ENEMIES, AND THE WOES OF THE TREACHEROUS*
*I AM THE END*
Seriously though, just the Grey Knights alone could take on the entire Spartan Corps. And even assuming Space Marines and Spartans were equal, their mindset means the Marines would win. The spartans are devoted to protecting humanity, yes, but the Marines do so with religious fervor. To suffer defeat is the greatest heresy.
Plus a space marine’s armor is made of such tough material none of the others would probably even have a chance of doing much more than scratching the paint short of a spartan laser.
Sees space marine armour is primarily co.posed of ferrosteel and plasteel, *laughs in antinaterial rifle*, seriously though, 4 guys with .50 cal machine guns could shred a space marine's armour in seconds (it would protect the SM completely up until the point the last ceramite layer shattered), then he would be riddled with holes.
TheSocialistsAreComing It’s not the MOST protective it could be, but that’s assuming that the guys can get the shots off fast and precisely enough to get through before the Space Marine can kill them. And even if they get through, space marines are dummy tough, with buffed up skeletons, backup organs, the whole lot. And you’re right, the armor would eventually give way under heavy fire.
If you shoot the exact same spot.
@@viscounttudon68 the combimed layers of ceramite and plasteel are no more than 3ish inches thick. The ceramite breaks layer by layer like modern antiballistic armour, its just slightly better than modern ceramic plates. A .50 cal can punch through one end of a modern vest and out the other. It can penetrate the majority of the way through 4 feet of steel (see engine blocks). Thus means a .50 cal will immediately go through the plasteel/ferrosteel layer, and only 1 to 5 shots would break through the ceramite. The ceramite shatters as a whole plate layer by layer btw, if it didnt the bullet would go right through it because of how little energy it would absorb.
@@viscounttudon68 also hitting a space marine is only slightly more difficult than hitting a technical moving down a dirt road at 55mph.
Edit:a.k.a keep long line of site, and converging lanes of fire such as with an infantry L formation, so no matter where the SM moves he's under fire.
@@thesocialistsarecoming8565 do you know the density to the ceramite and plasteel? it could have a higher density then tungsten, so regardless the thickness I doubt a 50. could punch though it and considering a space marine weighs around 1100-2200 pounds and quite regularly get shot at by 75-100 caliber projectiles I doubt a 50. would go though I think it would scratch the paint or maybe put a very little dent in the armor itself. (sorry for bad English)
4:01 The Imperial Guard would like a word.
Yes I would like to
Fix bayonets
@@imperialguardsmans9678 You appear to have left your post at Cadia, Guardsman... you didn't flee from that battle did you? Do tell...
Cannon fodder?
Greetings civilians how goes the....
(See Ekhart trying to argue against 40k)
BY THE EMPEROR
JT SQUIGGLES HAhahahhaha
✍️
HERESY
Seems like some heresy to me, pal
Purge the heretic
The Terran marine was incredibly underrepresented in this video. I will concede upfront that all of the other troops would defeat them in a 1 on 1 fight, and they are largely disposable, it’s unfair to leave out other details. Most marines are ex-convicts that are brain-panned upon being initiated into service. The Marine corps is made up of a vast array of soldiers, since different members were given different weapons based on their skills. Some had flamethrowers, Grenade launchers, sniper rifles, and some of them had jet packs in the early iterations of their combat armor. The most hardened criminals were sent into the Firebat Reaper Corps, where they used their aggression to their advantage, specializing in close-range combat. Firebats had tough armor and flamethrowers while reapers used dual-wield pistols and jump packs. The point of the marines is to act as one large cohesive unit, with specialized soldiers covering the weaknesses of the others. Marines are far more comparable to Clones than the space marines of the W40K universe. The combat armor IS removable for most marines, but not THIS marine.
The marine depicted is Tychus Findlay. He is a good friend of Jim Raynor, who is the main character in the StarCraft lore. Tychus was a prisoner of the Terran Dominion, ruled by Arcturus Mengsk. Mengsk had it out for Raynor, as they used to work together but parted ways when Mengsk fed his second in command, Sarah Kerrigan, to the Zerg, a deadly alien species similar to xenomorphs. Kerrigan had been conspiring against Mengsk so he attempted to kill her. Instead of dying, Kerrigan was assimilated into the swarm and became an incredibly powerful Psionic being. Raynor had a love affair with Kerrigan before her transformation and wanted revenge against Mengsk. Tychus was sealed up in a permanently sealed armor suit by Mengsk, and the suit was also primed with a “kill switch” that would activate if Tychus defected. The deal was that if he killed Kerrigan, his record would be wiped and he’d be a free man. He was then sent to Raynor to act as a spy and to convince Raynor to kill Kerrigan. Raynor chooses to save Kerrigan instead. He uses an artifact to de-infest her and, when Tychus goes with him to collect her, he tries to kill Kerrigan. Raynor blocks the bullet with his armor and kills Tychus.
He seriously underestimates Terran Marines in this video. Starcraft C-14 Gauss Rifles are incredibly underrated. They fire 8mm DU spikes (not standard bullet rounds) at hypersonic speeds. Each spike is about 8 cm long, and weighs about 80-90 grams. In the end, a projectile flying that fast, and being that heavy is around the strength of a 25-30mm round. C-14 Gauss Rifles also have a fire rate of 30 rounds per second, but normally Marines fire in 10 round bursts unless they are using Stimpacks. It also standardly holds around 200 of these spikes before needing to be reloaded. That's still not all. The Terran Marine's armor also essentially gives them aim bot among many other sensors, including IFR. It also augments their strength and speed. I would easily rank a C-14 over a bolter firing only standard rounds, and I'd rank every weapon on this list above the MA5D rifles the Spartans have. That's not even getting into how the Terran Marines would probably outnumber every soldier in this video by a lot, or how the special forces of Terran, like Ghosts fire 25mm Psionically charged rounds at similar velocities, and can cloak to the point only advanced sensors can detect them. Terran Marines have IFR sensors in their suits, but still cannot detect Ghosts.
@@Noah-zz8uw overestimating Terran Marines
@@IAmAlpharius20 not at all, they overestimate 40k too much when in reality they are not as strong as they tell you because exaggeration is not equal to precisely 100% true.
@@atreyos9449 overestimates 40k? In your dreams.
@@IAmAlpharius20 good thing I'm not dreaming because the truth is that 40k exaggeration is not the same as 100% accurate as all warhammer is written in unreliable narrative which most fictional universes don't have this rule and that because of the exaggeration the ignorant and haughty toxic fans elevated their universe to the clouds which is not among the strongest.
This video has been approved by the God-Emperor of Mankind. May the light of the Emperor protect you honourable EckhartsLadder.
Bullets slugs and even small explosives are incapable of someone wearing a power suit...
*looks over at bolter*
*laughs*
Rocket propelled, Armor piercing, explosive bolts. That's just the standard round, not even mentioning kracken bolts, and other special rounds.
[Laughs in Exitus Rifle]
@@Zombiewithabowtie laughs holding a heavy bolter.
@@frankcastle9691 Laughs whilst nervously holding a plasma gun at arms length in case it overheats and fried the user as well as the target.
@@Zombiewithabowtie *Laugh in 6 barrels terminator heavy machinegun*
40k Marines win because all of them have to scale to Sly Marbo.
SPOILERS
Of course 40k wins, 40k is a ridiculous dangerous universe and its dwarfs most others in its scale
Kyber Cat except marvel and DC comics
Or Bolo, the Culture and Xelee universe
the fact that the main way of FTL travel takes them through a literall hellhole says something hehe
I hate the popular opinion that 40k is boring and OP, 40k is a low tier OP universe. In many other universes such as Lovecraft, DC/Marvel, Xelee, culture and many others (hell those personal shields in Dune would fuck over the imperial guard so much it isn't funny) so many that are over powered just to be over powered and 40k just gets shat all over by these other universes.
spy cab overlord Yeah. Even ancient Halo galaxy was quite op.
*Which Sci-Fi Faction Has the Best Space Marine?*
*. . .*
Orks, obviously
Have you even seen the Mega Armor'd Nobz?
Endermage77 DIGA NOBZ
I said: Digga nobz!
*I AM DETECTING LARGE AMOUNTS OF HERSEY IN THIS COMMENT CHAIN*
@@patricksvarietycorner5700 Waggggghhhhh
@@patricksvarietycorner5700 I recommend Extermanitus!!!
"let's be honest the Spartans are the best" Laughs in 75 caliber self-propelled armour penetrating Explosive Rounds
Sadly you took it out of the context
@@DryTEKGI ok boomer
@@thecanadianwombat8486 eat bolter!
DOOM Marine ?
@@thecanadianwombat8486 ok boommeeeeerrrrreeeeemmmmoooob
As a W40k fan, I always apreciate seeing them in a video, but let's be honest, it's unfair. The Imperium is at war since 15k years and dedicated all his power, resources, and technologies to war. They count casualties in planets or solar system scales. Let's see what Halo can be in 10k years, and you'll be able to make a real comparison :)
Well in 10k years if the Imperium havnet already killes of the T`au well they are probably gonna give the Imperium a run for the money and just be one of the top dogs Even if they got 5k years they would stil be far more advanced than whatever the UNCE could make in 10k years now that the Imperium is stagnant and only have begun evolving with the return of Gullimen. If it took T`au 6k years to go from cavemen tech to spacetravels and laser weapons and giant mechs than just imagin what they will become in 10k years
@@Marthe535 Well, the fact is, the imperium could wipe out those xenos races, just that if they put the force to destroy x or y xeno race, the other would have an easy prey on the imperium
EDIT: also the t'au... yeah, in the long run they will probably be a big threat, but right now, with the nids and chaos, they aren't that big of a threat
Seriously, those contests are pointless. 40k ALWAYS wins. 40k is the tabletop version of that kid on the playground who always insisted to be everything-proof with a nuklear rocketlauncher.
Sebastian Abele Heinleins. MI would win very easily.... What's the range on a bolter? 12 inches, try a nuke at 12 kilometers from a dude that eats tank formations for breakfast.
Yeah but don't engage bvr. A single MI could take 100 space Marines easy
Jason Main space marines can survive nukes. And they have more nukes than you do. Also more planets and ships and manpower and production and psionic powers and everything else.
They have sensors for basically every kind of sense (x-ray? Infrered, ultraviolet, sonic, radioactive, heat, motion, radar, etc) and have been able to accurately fire their bolters up to 3,000 meters away.
40k wins
40k always wins.
Strike Legion says hello.
3,000 meters isn't far at all ya know? Mile long shot? Only twice that. pshh. Normal human trained can do a mile, a M1 tank can kill past that 3km, then you got future sci-fi MI flying around. Although I must admit taking a 10million degree blast to the face and living does make those space marines kinda like gods.
i couldnt concentrate watching infinity war, i kept imagining the space marines from 40k orbital dropping and fighting thanos and his army
well they would have wrecked Thanos' army, which means Thor would have been able to stop thanos from getting the last stone
Ready Player One needed some 40k.
lol same for me when i watch a movie, i'm like "Oh come one just drop a squad of space marines"
I think many of us had the same thought in Infinity War, since Thanos's army basically consisted of cut-rate genestealers.
Matt B I could of sworn I saw an imperium dreadnaught suit at that end battle tho
Terrans can enter and exit their marine armour. However, many Terran marines are criminal conscripts who are locked into their armour.
MrReyno Tanks That’s fucked up, so how long do they go without seeing their dicks ?
Wait...they lock Criminals into power armor...? That seems like a really bad idea.
They are resocialized convicts
blackvial no such thing
Angel Lara. No they have nueral implants that make them safe and loyal. Also, the books explain that they can exit their armor. Only the specific character Tychus ( in the cutscene you see in the video ) is explicitly mentioned to be locked into his armor
Spartans: out snipers are .50 caliber!
Astartes (space marines): out rifles are .75 caliber
Spartans: S**t
Tenno: Out Snipers using Vectis prime with maximum mods build and God rieven roll.
Don’t forget that they are also rocket propelled so they literally have hand held rocket launching machine guns also hand held sun launchers
@@anturanx They are not really machine guns, games portray them as machine guns but they are not, they are semi automatic fire anti material rifle that explodes and thats their side arm... a bolt pistol. A Heavy bolter would be like a machine gun equivalent however.
Apparently firewarrior game portrayed them the most accurate ruclips.net/video/A4BD8uiTUGw/видео.html
Vindicare: Laughs in Turbo-penetrator Round
Callidus: Laughs in Phase Sword
Eversor: Laughs in Melta-bombs and Neuro-gauntlet
Culexus: Never laughs, but noms on your life-force
Mobile Infantry: Our snipers are 15 Kiloton.
It's WH40K. it's always WH40k.
Not for the logistic
In the grim darkness of the 41st millenium, there is only awesome ridicoulosness
Space Marines are utterly OP because everything they have to fight is utterly OP... that is just how 40k works...
The emperor did a good job
Well, technically speaking, a universe and military as large as the Imperiums fighting on so many different fronts without rest and the fact they can keep all of these controlled, reinforced and supplied means their logistics would have to be run by Batman on ten pounds of cocaine.
"Give me a hundred Space Marines. Or failing that give me a thousand other troops." - Rogal Dorn, Primarch of the Imperial Fists.
And yet, a hundred Space Marines is probably akin to a hundred thousand humans - or more - depending on situation. A hundred Space Marines could slaughter millions upon millions of humans in a short span of time and would most likely be able to take on entire armies (of our tech-level), again, depending on situation.
christopher pedersen yes, because space marines can shoot ac-30s from 30,000 feet in the air🤔
Michael RObinson
No thunder hawks would handle that
Ever heard of air support mate
and i think that was Dorn being nice to normal troops too lol
I saw the title and knew this was going to be a fight for second place.
Short answer: Space Marines
Long Answer: this video
Starship troopers really had a rough training.
Oh this is against 40k?
He wasn't being specific, but the Flesh Tearers recruit by picking the final ten of hundred potential recruits that survive against each other in open combat. Imperial Fists have a pain box that recruits train in, and are punished in (at high threshold.)
The difference here is that people would still want to live in the Starship Troopers Universe. No one wants to live in the WH40K universe.
@@Spartan536 who wants to live in a universe full of war?
@@justakidwithnolife5671 you
@@comradekenobi6908 no u
You forgot that the emperor protects
amen
"Space Marines just are here to look cool."
"Let them be the last gift to the species I failed."
I believe the Emperor made then to kill the overpowered enemies of Man who have weapons that turn you into screaming meat chunks.
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You might want to read some canon starcraft books. They have some details on training and terran soldiers. The armor does come off. Just not in tychus' case
Starcraft is a rip off of warhammer 40k but yes that's true terrain marines can take off their armor.
@@jamespaguip5913 Yeah... 40K and Starcraft are both ripoffs of Starship Troopers XD
Gods, why why does that actually makes sense that they are both a rip off
@@jamespaguip5913 Except the fact that Terran Marines looks similar to 40k SM and Zerg looks vaugely like Tyranids what else is there? Also look up Tyranids before and after starcraft 1's release, They both took a loot of INSPIRATION of eachother.
Some points of information about Terran marines and the StarCraft Universe in general:
- Up till recently, Terran Marines were mostly convicts or dissidents rapidly converted into soldiers using a neural reprogramming method which makes them sufficiently obedient and skilled to be sent into battle. The idea is as close as you can get to "mass produced human infantry". Hence the label "cookie cutter soldiers". This also worked as a convenient lore explanation for why you can train and field soldiers so fast in the game. However, as of the most recent point in the StarCraft storyline, Neural Resocialization has been deemed unethical by the Terran Dominion government, and marines are now mostly volunteers who go through normal military training.
- Terran Marines can get in or out of their armour (generally called CMC armour) wherever they want. When Tychus Findlay got locked into his armour, he had been a convict for many years, and the Terran government did this to him as part of a deal: "kill a certain person for us, Findlay, and we'll set you free!"
- That said, the fact that you can live with the armour on for an entire campaign shows how complete the armour's life support is, including a built-in-latrine". It also says something about the armour's power source (a miniature cold fusion reactor). No matter how long a campaign takes, I've never heard of a CMC armour user having to "recharge" his armour.
- CMC armour is also highly customisable. There's one instance in the comics of a mercenary firing mini-missiles from all over his CMC armour, gundam style. The added strength of the armour also allows the user to, by himself, lift a blast door, or wield heavy weapons that an unarmoured human cannot lift, like the Gauss Cannon.
- Due to how ubiquitous CMC armour is (the user could be anyone from a redshirt to a general), there is no niche in StarCraft equivalent to the MI, Spartans or Astartes, whose status as elite warriors is in part expressed in their power armour and equipment. The closest, in terms of elite status, might be the Ghosts, being superhuman black ops.
- Most of the Terran factions we see in StarCraft are the descendants of humans exiled far away from Earth. (Believe it or not, Earth has yet to appear in any StarCraft game or novel.) They now live in a part of the galactic fringe known as the Koprulu Sector. Their style reflects a "Wild Wild West"/"frontier colonist" theme. Their heroes (at least the story protagonists) are more like "space cowboys" than space marines".
- There is a human faction centred on Earth, the UED. They're much more technologically advanced than the K Sector Terrans, but are still impressed by the latters' weapon designs and level of militarisation. When they sent an expedition to the K Sector, they mostly converted and used local assets, so we don'tknow what the full set of UED military equipment looks like.
Bro literally the best comment I have ever seen on this entire platform props to you for going through that entirely
Nah mate, stormtroopers are surely the most powerful, they feature ceramic armour, and can hit blast points far too accurate for sand people.
R Soul you understand, that there is no 1 type of Space Marine in 40k. He over generalises everything about them, even though he mentions and shows several Chapters. Take the Legion of the Damned. These guys are one of several things; the souls of dead Marines made manifest, time travelers from a worse timeline than the 40k one, erasing themselves from history to change the timeline, and an entire chapter (1000 Marines, because any more is too deadly to the Imperium) got lost in the Warp. These guys can teleport, and eternally burn as they die a painful death, whilst killing everything that faces the Imperium. Tell me how Stormtroopers are better than these guys?
Kazuto Kirigaya not sure if you recognise sarcasm mate, I was attempting to highlight how pissweak stormtroopers are, as they cannot hit the side of a barn, and their ceramic armour is vulnerable to jumped up teddy bears, but hey, thanks for the lessons regarding 40k, I feel totally chastened now, your nerd power is clearly superior to my own.
R Soul Simply put, it's kinda difficult to tell what is and isn't sarcasm in text.
Kazuto Kirigaya agree 100%, people often make wildly foolish claims in RUclips comment sections, I thought what I initially posted was stupid enough that people would recognise it as such, we all really need a sarcasm emoji or something.
R Soul Yeah, so sorry for my idiocy but, yeah, where the hell is that emoji
*laughs in custodes*
Laugh in Imperial Knight.
laughts in gray knights
Laughs in 3,000,000 conscripts
Laughs in primarch
Laugh in Fallen Angels :D
The fact that the Holy Bolter wasn't even mentioned underscores just how incredible the Adeptus Astartes really are.
The Bolter is one of their weakest weapons as it transfers less energy than .50 BMG, the plasma gun however, oh and the Melta, or the volkite weapons oh God.
@@lqg4395 Star Craft's C-14 rifle shoots an 8mm tungsten round at hypersonic speeds. 30 of them a second, to be exact. Could probably kill anything else on the list.
You are my finest warriors. LIKE clay I shall mould you. And you be forge in the furnace of war. Whit the mightiest weapons shall you be arm. No sickness shall blight you. You are the bulwark against the terror, the defender of humanity.
You are my Space Marines and you shall know no fear!!!
*correction*
They shall be my finest warriors, these men who give of themselves to me. Like clay I shall mould them, and in the furnace of war forge them. They will be of iron will and steely muscle. In great armour shall I clad them and with the mightiest guns will they be armed. They will be untouched by plague or disease, no sickness will blight them. They will have tactics, strategies and machines so that no foe can best them in battle. They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines and they shall know no fear.
@@vanderdik7185 "They will be untouched by plague or disease, no sickness will blight them." (Distant, Nurgle-like laughing from the warp.)
xeleeuniverse : pfft oh that's cute.
@@juliancasas9268 Oh shut up brah. We're talking about sci fi not fantasy. Behave yourself otherwise I'll just shut your entire pathetic fiction with just one character...Dr Manhattan.
clay marines
"Can you 'gift' us with your equipment?"-BLood Raven
you stay away from my stash.
Its a relic not equipment.
I believe its called Wargear
FIRE AND BONE!!!!!!
He will steal it anyway
*"Tremble before the majesty of the Emperor! For we all walk in his immortal shadow."*
In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war.
Would be really a shame if large parts of the Warhammer 40k Space Marines just defected to a bunch of crazy, bloodthirsty gods.
Internet Zen Master well... Horus was turned by a wound from a chaos blade, not *really* his fault, Magnus, poor poor Magnus, didn't deserve a thing that came his way. Even Lorgar, it was actually more Kor Pharon I would say
+Internet Zen Master MAGNUS DID NOTHING WRONG
Internet Zen Master damn the Emperor who cast out his own sons as mere pawns in a universe they barely understood with the threat of death for the slightest disobedience.
Horus heresy hours heresy FUVKING HORUS HERESY DUMB ASS
Internet Zen Master did someone request the intervention of the seventeenth legion? ;)
If Doomguy was a faction...
Znijik_the_Zed your picture matches perfectly
even then the wh40k marines would probably rip him apart
Doomguy is like the Master Chief, too much plot armour.
@@lolnowwat2617 I think he'd be a Khornate Champion tbh. Then again, he'd rather fight daemons than Space Marines.
Not even a question, Doomguy was actually trapped and killed by the demons at end of first episode in the original game.
He just respawned in hell and killed everything in it.
You forgot to mention the other version of power armor Adeptus Astartes use, such as Terminator armor and Centurion armor. These give them even MORE of an edge.
HORRIOR those suits of armor are extremely rare
blackvial if you go by pre gathering storm lore there are roughly over 100k terminator suits
HORRIOR there's really no point of mentioning other armors since its already op compare to the other universe. I don't no about 40k universe am more into halo I would like to know 40k but my experience with the community is quite toxic like they bash the other universe with out giving a reasoning or analyzing other universe. Pretty much dick measuring contest
Fariko SharrK just read the lore on the wiki app or the black library. Or i recommend going on the channel the vaults of terra and look at the beginners playlist into the 40k universe
We don't talk about centurion armor
You can hear Ladder voice change when 40k wins.... again...
Feeling a little tired of the 40k winning anyone? I'm not! Lol
"Their augmentations would make a spartan blush."
-EckhartsLadder
"Their augmentations would make a spartan blush."
-EckhartsLadder
"Kelly, give me my MA5B."
-John
HP Lovecraft: I should make insanely powerful entities to make people feel insignificant
Warhammer 40k: hold my beer kid
see I love both for just that reason
Finally starship troopers woah I thought I’d never see the day sees you talk about the book you crushed my dreams
I'm glad it wasn't movie ST.
Great book, read it many years ago. Hated the depiction in the movie. M.I. were total bad asses in their suits !
wιѕegυy I know it’s a joke entry in one of these there honestly one of the worst sci-fi army’s of all time in my opinion but that’s what I like about them
Reads Heinlein:
Remember the good old days when you could burn 50,000 civilians to death and nobody would call it a war crime?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
How is it a joke entry? Try reading the book, Starship Troopers was Heinlen's first real success as an Author, and the MI were anything BUT incompetant in the book. The film takes the prominant names (not always their sexes however, no women in the MI), some of the prominant events (Klindathu for example), and leaves out EVERYTHING else, including the Mobile Infantry Power Armour.
There is a LOT of evidence to suggest that the modern view of Power Armour was BORN in the book, every suit of Power Armour you see in modern games/fiction has its genesis in the Mobile Infantry Combat Armour....
Interesting inclusion, yes, joke? No, but only if you are talking about the BOOK version of the Mobile Infantry and NOT the film version.
correction for SC marines: the armors CAN be taken off, and can allow the user to run up to ~40MPH
The armor itself is mainly made to assist the user in using their primary weapon, the C-14. Reason being most standard weapons from that universe can easily wreck the armor (C-14 was seen overpenetrating the armor in one of WoL cutscenes)
Spartans can run 100 mph
@@deitchj003 yes i know, i was correcting the CMC top speed
The hardest thing about comparing Terran Space Marines to the others on this list is, these guys are the run of the mill regulars. So they are actually the equivalent of Imperial Guard from the 40k and those random Marines that roll into Covenant grenades from Halo. They are really not the "Elite of the Elite" like Spartans or 40k Marines that you're trying to compare them too. I've not read Starship Troopers in a long time so I don't actually have much of an input on them with the exception of the Personal Nukes they had. Those. Things. Were. Awesome.
40k marines arent elite of the elite either.
Well I mean their not the bottom rung of the later. Space Marines in SC are. Hahaha I think they would be more akin to the Imperial Guards if anything.
Yeah, SC marines are just the basic grunts, not the best of the best. A terran ghost is really their "elite" forces, with the genetic engineering, psychic abilities and powerful tech.
Ghosts are single operatives right? That's more equivalent to like a vindicare or culexus assassin, and those guys would fuck up SM.
of Anwyl: They can be sent in alone as assassins, but also have battlefield uses as well. Ghosts abilities in the SC games included: firing EMP blasts to take down shields, firing anti-vehicle lockdown rounds and targeting tactical nuclear warheads. Plus they're equipped with a cloaking device that allows them to fire while cloaked. They're pretty much a multi-role unit, though unlike the conventional space marine type, they're more lightly armored but make up for that with their cloak.
The moment I heard him say witch one is deadliest I think we all know who won. Hint, it’s warhammer 40k
You really need to start adding other 40k factions more. Orks for example are really funny and unique faction.
Otto Honkasalo i think it is safe to say all of the 40k factions are unique.
Bryce Avret Well Imperial Guards are pretty generic space troopers on the end.
Well they are a Giant Fungus and are nearly Impossible to get rid of.
Otto Honkasalo how so there are at least 50ish regements that are unique in there own rigjt
Bryce Avret Of course they are unique but the basic idea stays the same. In The end they are human faction with guns and tanks. Orks on the other hand...
Keep this in mind when thinking about the Adeptus Astarties...they are not even CLOSE to being the most powerful soldiers in the 40K universe and can be picked off quite easily by other things such as tyranids, Orks, Eldar, Necrons...to an extent Tau and last but not least Chaos warriors.
The reason Space Marines of the Imperium of man are so out there is they have to be in a galaxy full of things born and bread to kill anything that moves.
Mon'Keigh, you know nothing about the power of my people. The stars lived and died on our command.
Jaeger_Bishop The last part about fearing Chaos Space Marines or Tau is the biggest joke
WE ARE SPACE MARINES AND WE KNOW NO FEAR
Cough cough failbaddon the H\Armless cough cough the greater good, at least farsight is decent
Jaeger_Bishop mmm well I’d say they are the most powerful, but not the most numerous by any means, and they exist in a world filled with many factions who can almost match them. One chapter of space marines can eradicate a world invested with orcs.
But you forgot, EMPRAH PROTECTS, therefore the Astartes will always win
They win because they're just made better.
"I don't see a scenario where the mobile infantry could win"
While yes a Spartan is faster, a Spartan just has some guns. The MI could just obliterate everything vaguely near the spartan and not worry about the fast-paced, close in fighting where reaction times are that important.
The Spartan or Space Marine wins the fight inside a research facility or some shit hands down.
the Mobile Infantrymen wins the fight against any number of any faction given that he can stay a few miles away and doesn't run out of ammunition.
Yuuup. MI wins in travel speed, sensors, fire power, and weapon range against all the other factions. Since MI's engage from miles away, they would also have to be the most accurate. It isn't a contest.
The MI is waaaay faster than the Spartan in terms of movement speed. The Spartan is certainly faster in reaction times.
I am a diehard Halo fan but I have to agree that the MI is far superior to anything else on this list.
@@Cain3697 seriously, firepower and range, um the Astartes Battle Barge would like a word about that, Battle Barges are capable of killing a planet from orbit, with a single torpedo at that, also Nukes are forbidden technology in 40k, meaning the imperium would declare the MI heretics and approve Exterminatus, meaning the use of said torpedoes
Sitting sick watching these vids happy for them.
Poor comparison because the lower two are regulars in that army vs the special forces in the high two spots.
Let's do Ghost vs Vindicare next....
How about Ghost vs. Eversor ...hm... okay, i would know the outcome...
Defyer 64 No they aren't, you've probably never read a 40k book, or if you have they were only space marine battles books. The Imperial Guard, and Astra Militarum are the standard Imperium forces. Just because doesn't mean they are standard military.
Defyer 64 yeah if you know anything about the lore you'd know that the imperial guard is extremely common in every conflict. It's the space marines that are the "small" thing they sometimes throw at battles.
@MrCaptainkirk1984 Actually, one of the brutal ironies of how unrealistic 40k is overall is that it actually more or less nails exactly how large the scope of galaxy spanning civilization and galactic scale warfare would probably look. 'ERE WE GO!
Instead of comparing factions to eachother, perhaps ranking them in their influence in respect to their own universes would be an interesting alternate approach.
Those poor Space Marines...
Haha ironically, W40k loses this one badly. Imperium having no influence is basically the whole theme.
Replicators vs a Unified Star Wars universe (182nd try now, *_I._** WILL NEEEEVER EEEVER GIVE UP!!!)*
coming up on infra-red Dose getting likes on a suggestion works for Eck?
Well keep up the good work maybe at 200 They'll do it.
coming up on infra-red
actual Replicators or Replicators that were given the short end of the stick by the authors like Azurans had gotten because of budget limitations of the show, huh?
_" They shall be my finest warriors, these men who give of themselves to me. Like clay I shall mould them and in the furnace of war I shall forge them. They shall be of iron will and steely sinew. In great armour I shall clad them and with the mightiest weapons shall they be armed. They will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight them. They shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best them in battle. They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines... _*_and they shall know no fear._*_ "_
- Emperor of Mankind
Man,starshipp troopers are so OP...
Like they are like spartans,but with insane speed,to much weapons packed in only one suit,like unlimted ammo and they also are many....well they are the first super soldier in novels
MI are basically just the Starcraft Space Marines, given SPARTAN training routines, and 40k tier armor. So yeah, definately the 2nd place, since including the Astartes is just unfair, here. Woulda been more fun if it'd been something like a Nob or Kasrkin.
@@adamcarroll9613 the sororitas could have taken the place of the astartes
While Space Marines are cool i prefer the Guard. I was in the Army and its easier to relate to a Guardsman then it is with a Space Marine.
exactinmidget92 I suppose it depends on what you want. Guardsman already basically exist in the real world, as soldiers. But the Space Marines are these larger than life demi-gods, mixed with lore from Europeans knights (mostly, obvious exceptions are the White Scars etc). I like them because they can’t be real yet are steeped in tradition which is very much accessible in our world.
dont get me wrong, i dont hate the SM its just that with my military experience it easier to relate with the Guard.
The thing I like best about the guard is that they represent how humans feel. Alone in a cold uncaring universe, we gather together in our tens, hundreds, thousands, and millions. We join together and demand to exist no matter the cost. I always liked the dynamic many of the space marines have with the Imperial Guard. The imperial guard look at them as their fighting saviors while the space marines look at the guard as a source of inspiration and a reason to keep fighting. Check out this vid, the animation isn't great but the speech is awesome. ruclips.net/video/qyGDo1ARpjI/видео.html
I feel like no one could really relate to the space marines unless we still had knightly ordos running around the world. There's no real experience comparable these days to being a chosen warrior raised and trained only to be a warrior. Which is nice 40k has that fantasy side of escaping reality while it also has something that you can relate to real life.
ORDO DRAIGO PRESENT WE WILL PROVIDE THE HAMS
Mars class battlecruiser (40k) vs the malevolence (Clone wars) (alternative use a bellator-class Dreadnought)
+MrHobbit 1234
as demonstrated by this video thats the problem with 40k. the universe is so dangerous that it makes star wars and star treak look like happy children's tv shows.
That's more of a ship vs super weapon kinda fight.
Perhaps a Sovereign woud put up a better fight, let me add it real quick
+Overlord Gaiseric The mars class can mount a nova cannon (i think)
Well for one the malevolence can move faster to gain the advantage and fields thousands of fighters.
Not sure what it's ion cannon would do. Also has better field of fire.
The Mars Class has a few potential one shot weapons if it can hit.
StarCraft Marines aren't permanently sealed into their suits. That was a punishment leveled against the worst convicts, like Tychus Findlay, where they were expected to die fighting. You can see the main character Jim Raynor in and out of marine armor
The best troopers are the ones who eat best dishes.
Darth Vader that's still 40k they have serfs who prepare their dishes
All other factions eat packaged food
In 40k as Neophyte, nutrient paste blend purposefully to be unappealing and if it happened to them to eat as Astartes, well literally anything they can found even rocks or dirt. Anyway eating only is for the weak and their power armors provide all the nutrients they need. (the only "exception" I know of are Space Wolves, drinking and eating toxics and indigestible wilde life, from their planet.)
Plus Adeptus Astartes can eat literally anything no matter how rotten or poisoness
Ryan Myers Nurgle poison intensified. ;)
Starcraft is very heavy on the lore. I think you ought to read some of the books before including them because you unintentionally misrepresent them. The book “Heavens Devils” by William Dietz goes over marine training and it’s about as much as halo marines. It’s not like they’re just thrown in the armor without any training and sent to their deaths. Their armor described in the novel “Queen of Blades”. (Aaron Rosenberg) as impervious to small arms fire and massively augments strength and speed. Terran marines aren’t themselves augmented, but the conscripted convicts are neurally resocialized to ensure safety and loyalty. Also their rifles are gauss assisted. The suit also has internal medical systems to prevent bleeding out and save the marines inside.
And even with that, only Umojan's and UED's forces can hope to survive more than 20 seconds ...
Glad someone else noticed the lack of Marine love... or basic information.
True, Gauss rifles are magnetically powered (similar to guns from Metal Storm)
Terran Marines definitely got the short end of the stick in this analysis. The video could have done a lot more research and talked about the elite marine units like Nova's marines or Raynor and Tychus.
the terren marines could also take there suit off it was just tykes that could not because of plot
Spartan II: “what was that?”
M.I.: *nukes area, then jumps away*
Space Marine: *tosses Vortex grenade, sucking the MI into the Warp*
*chuckles in Daemon*
40K should be excluded from these lists it just saps the enjoyment, oh I wonder who’s gonna win. Of course it’s 40K everything in that universe is on supersteroids
Ryan Garmham We concur all that is not for the emperor for he protects man. We shall concur all the lands all the top 10s till no heresy or xeno is left alive
THIS COMMENT IS HERESY
Yes, inquisitor, this comment right here.
Herecy!
@@akriegguardsman5238 but he literally said 40k was better than everything else
When youre in the terran marine armor, youre in it for life!
See several depictions of Raynor out of armor.
Technically master chief isn’t a space marine. The rank of master chief is a navy rank. He’s more of a futuristic navy seal.
Marines are naval infantry per definition. The UNSC "Marines" like the United States or Royal Marines are an organizational service branch with different ranks, but that is just their name, as are their ranks.However Just like the Navy and Army have pilots despite not being in the Airforce, the Naval infantry are Marines, despite not having affiliation with the service branch.
Actually that isn't completely true, The Spartan Program when compared to IRL Combat Forces is more like the Navy Seals than the US Marine Corps. Master Chief operates solely under the command of the UNSC Navy as a Special Operations Soldier not as a typical Marine. He works along side of UNSC Marines, just like Navy Seal Snipers work along side of the US Marines, however he is not classified as a UNSC Marine, just as US Navy Seals are not classified as US Marines.
Hellfire918 the marine corps is not a special forces unit. Its a branch. Special forces equvalent in the corps would be the US MEU or the Force recon. Thats about it
I just changed the wording to combat forces because it was supposed to show the comparison of the Spartan Program, which is a spec ops, to a military branch such as UNSC Marines & how just because the Spartan are technical Navy Infantry they were not in fact UNSC Marines, just like US Navy Seals are not US Marines.
NEEEEEEERD
This video was one of the ones that turned my attention to 40k. Never heard of it until this channel. Now it’s my life.
Please compare the ships you get in the old republic
I KNOW YOU KNOW IM HERE ECK
the official ranking is:
4 - Flashgitz
3 - Tau Gue'vesa
2 - Kasrkin
1- Space Marines
4 - Flashgitz
3 - Flashgitz
2 - Flashgitz
1 - Flashgitz
WAAAGH!
@@TheKW22 "hehehehh this is what we like best!"
40k. Water bottle sized rocket propelled explosives and eight foot tall men in half ton armor
and then he teabags the guy he just blow in half.
super futuristic tank-humanoids, carrying rocketlauncher-assault rifles and are stuffed with a shitload of super organs. The perfect warrior made by humanity, the Angels of Death.
Gets killed by a green shroom on steroids with weapons a retarded blind and one armed blacksmith could craft better
DemonOfGadara that is the irk magic they would do worse and shit all over your other soldiers as well the magic makes armor virtually useless and makes their weapons immensely powerful only difference is space marines can kill more of them while the rest of these would be slaughtered.
DemonOfGadara it's like you read half the lore on orks and then stopped.
They generate waaagh fields, auras eminating from their being. The more orks you gather the stronger the waaagh field they generate. If they all believe something then the waaagh field makes it true. Space marine engineers once took apart a ork tank to find no mechanical systems. Just a big box labeled "injen". They paint their vehicals red because red vehicles go faster... and then they actually do.
Once a warboss amasses such a huge waaagh of orks that they easily destroyed every defense the imperium had and were about to invade earth itself. Then they got bored and decided to use their waaagh power to teleport to a more difficult universe. And then they popped away. Because orks are fucking nuts.
Think about how terrifying that is. 10 foot tall fungus monsters hellbent on killing stuff constantly and whatever they believe is true simply becomes true and nothing you do can stop that and once they infect a planet the only way to rid the planet of them is to scorch the planet completely. Makes the flood look like a swarm of house flies.
I just oversimplyfied for the sake of the joke ;)
Have you some source on the "Giant Waaaaagh just popped into another Universe"-thing? That's really new to me :D
Starcraft C-14 Gauss Rifles are incredibly underrated. They fire 8mm DU spikes (not standard bullet rounds) at hypersonic speeds. Each spike is about 8 cm long, and weighs about 80-90 grams. In the end, a projectile flying that fast, and being that heavy is around the strength of a 25-30mm round. C-14 Gauss Rifles also have a fire rate of 30 rounds per second, but normally Marines fire in 10 round bursts unless they are using Stimpacks. It also standardly holds around 200 of these spikes before needing to be reloaded. That's still not all. The Terran Marine's armor also essentially gives them aim bot among many other sensors, including IFR. It also augments their strength and speed. I would easily rank a C-14 over a bolter firing only standard rounds, and I'd rank every weapon on this list above the MA5D rifles the Spartans have.
I forgot to mention that C-14s also have underslung rocket/grenade launchers standardly equipped.
Any other armor on this list also gives amibot. And bolter is much better than C-14 rifle
StarCraft marines also have one advantage - speed. Their standard march speed is 40 km/h
you do realize Starcraft was initially planned as a 40k video game right? Chris metzen is a huge 40k fan and everything in Starcrat was a hasty derivation after GW backed out of the project (protoss = eldar, zerg = tyranids). the "standard round" for a 40k bolter is a 75mm self-propelled armor piercing explosive.A bolter is literally a handheld missile launcher. Then there are the variants like any of the heavy bolter patterns which are essentially a handheld missle launcher firing at the rate of an LMG. Space Marine armor mkII - mk X can shrug off bolter rounds and require repeated hits or precision shots to weakpoints before enemy fire hits skin. The equivalent name for a C-14 Gauss Rifle in the 40k universe is an "auto gun" or "auto rifle" and is derided for being weak and ancient relics.
@@NapGod StarCraft was never planned to be a Warhammer game with developers backing out. That was Warcraft. Bolters fire 19mm HEAP rounds, which are .75 caliber, not 75mm rounds. Even heavy bolters fire bolts with a diameter of around 25mm, and StarCraft Marines also have heavier weapons, such as the heavy gauss rifle, gauss cannon, and underslung grenade and missile launchers, in addition to shoulder-mounted rockets each capable of destroying a tank. 40K Auto rifles have a muzzle velocity of 825 m/s, while gauss rifles have a velocity of at least 1715 m/s given their hypersonic nature. Autoguns also have a fire rate of 625 rounds per second, and typically are not linked with sensors and aimbots. So C14s have over twice the muzzle velocity at minimum, almost 3 times the fire rate (and that's before ultra capacitors, which increase fire rate), and fire rounds that are also made of self-sharpening, pyrophoric, radioactive depleted uranium, in addition to likely being denser than the metal, plastic, or ceramic that autogun rounds are made of. Then there's aimbot, stim, acoustics, IFR, other sensors, resoc, HUDs that display friendlies and known hostiles, and the far superior protection and mobility of powered armor, in addition to many round types that can be quickly switched to on the battlefield for better armor penetration, explosive power, incindiary capabilities, etc. StarCraft was arguably more inspired by Starship Troopers and Alien, but I can see the resemblance.
“We have arrived, and it is now that we fulfill our charge. In fealty to the God-Emperor (our Undying Lord), and by the grace of the Golden Throne, I declare exterminatus upon this endless thread of “my xeno is better than your xeno” arguments. I hereby sign the Death Warrant of an entire reply section, and consign a million souls to oblivion. May Imperial justice account in all balance. The Emperor protects."
spartan II's were totally the best but a warhammer space marine is just over the top (just like all of warhammer 40k)