Well i thinks he's right because broly based power rised dramatically during the fight with goku and vegeta, and it went so high that lssj broly could be more powerful than ssb goku. Later when broly fight gogeta in their ssj form, they went toe to toe, but then broly went berserk and gogeta went blue, broly was no match In short, ssj broly~ssj gogeta ,berserk broly
It actually turns out the berserker form and broly's form are different... Apparently, he's the actual super Saiyan of legend and she is a demonic Saiyan or berserker
Trunks went from fodder to base black before coming to the present to throwing hands with m zamasu in a short amount of time. The only bigger jump is goku in 30 minutes going from being the dirt beneath jirens feet to surpassing every hakaishin
Saiyan's have a natural ability to learn things quickly after seeing them performed once. Like Goku and the Kamehameha or when Vegeta used the Kienzan to remove Oozaru Gohan's tail. This is why Vegeta could learn Super Saiyan God seemingly out of nowhere.
Well he didnt know out of nowhere, he used god after the T.o.P meaning he probably had it for that whole time he just never used it like if he used ssj3 its wouldn't really be out of nowhere
People are making such big deal of Vegeta having ssjg... it's really not that complicated. To go ssjb he had to go ssjg first since ssjb is stacking ssj on top of ssjg, if he was shown using ssjb what makes people think that he wouldn't be able to use it's weaker version ?
Nice video. I have to say though, the intro was a tad low compared to your voice and the rest of the video. Intro music for clarification. OTHER than that, really well done and stated. It shows levels and even how they came to be...NOW...if only the Manga and the anime were EXACTLY THE SAME like in SOME SERIES. >_> we wouldn't have issues. Gah. Though, I do like that technically Berserker is now canon. hehe.
My personal suggestion would be to separate the shatter from the intro if it's all one sound effect and balance it separately from the intro music itself. If you don't mind me asking, what program do you use to edit? If you said before I completely forgot lol.
If you think about it, the super saiyan WAS the strongest natural being in the universe. Assuming Frieza was stronger than his father (debatable but they're fairly close anyway) the androids and cell were artificially strong, they weren't born with that potential, and majin buu was created by magic. Even beerus was trained by an angel from outside the universe and given god ki. As far as canon (which is fickle) is concerned, goku as a super saiyan 1 is the strongest natural being in the universe until other forms of super saiyans are introduced, which my other comment argues arent even different forms.
1:34 You show SSJ having two paths: Grade 1 -> Grade 2 -> Grade 3 Grade 1 -> Grade 4 -> Grade 5 / SSJ2 -> SSJ3 I actually theorize that SSJ 3 is an evolution of Grade 2 or 3 (likely 2). Think about the similarities in the two branches: Grade 1 is the basis of all other forms of SSJ, which is difficult to maintain as it drains stamina at a steady pace. Grade 2 increases bulk, power and speed while increasing stamina drain; Grade 3 trades off speed for power and further increases stamina drain. Grade 4 removes the stamina drain of the form altogether; Grade 5 / SSJ2 brings back stamina drain, likely equivalent to SSJ Grade 1, while increasing speed and power past that of Grade 2. SSJ3 increases speed and power for an immense stamina drain--similar to the supposed power gain of Grade 3 (though we never see it hit anything to prove it) without the bulk and loss of speed but with stamina drain worse than any form seen before it.
Super Sayia-Jin Blue Evolution isn’t Grade 2 of Super Sayia-Jin Blue. Super Sayia-Jin Grade 2 isn’t too much of an increase while Blue Evolution is x20. Grade 2 is simply increases muscle mass and spikes up the hair a bit more, it keeps the issues of Grade 1. Blue Evolution is also an increase in muscle mass and spikes the hair a bit more but it changes or darkens the blue color as well as the aura, unlike Grade 2 which keeps the same aura of Grade 1. Plus Blue Evolution is greater with removing or having less flaws then regular Blue.
I'm confused about the whole Yamoshi aspect of the Super Saiyan God ritual, I mean what does he have to do with it besides being the first one to obtain it? I know it's Dragon Ball, but the whole "wandering in search for a SSG" doesn't make much sense to me either.
13:17 HE LITERALLY SPENDS TIME WITH GOKU, VEGETA, GOKU BLACK AND ZAMASU THIS ENTIRE ARC, AND THEY HAVE GOD KI. AND AS WE REMEMBER, YOU CAN GET GOD KI FROM ANOTHER ONE POSSESING IT
A very informative video Carthu! Good Job!👍👍 But I still believe SSJ Grade 4 is a 500x Multiplier cuz it never made sense to me that Grade 4 is just 50x. The Feats and Scaling didn't make sense with the 50x multiplier when Goku used Grade 4. But I know you don't believe that but it would be a Fun Debate otherwise. 😂😂
I don’t see what’s hard to understand. Goku says it’s regular Super Saiyan. They just trained and sparred which caused their base strength to increase. Arguing a form that is STATED to be regular Super Saiyan without the stamina and emotional issues. The Super Saiyan “grades” are fab terms and the Daizenshuu just describes it as the limit of Super Saiyan. Even more, Goku using Super Saiyan 2 against Zamasu is stated 10s of times stronger where he should be 100s of times based on the 500x multiplier.
For 1, DBS Writers aren't the Best Power Scalers cuz if SSJ2 is 100x as the Official guide says the Writer of Toei should have known Full Well and made Zamasu's line better by saying it more Directly like 100x boost instead of 10s of times. That makes it sound Arbitrary like the writer don't know the specifics of its multiplier. On the other hand, DBZ didn't have this much of an Issue in Power Scaling since its all from Toriyama's Original Manga. As for the Scaling of Grade 4, Cell said USSJ Trunks Power was greater than his own but Cell never powered up the entire time. He only started powering up When he fought Goku in the Cell Games and Everyone Including Trunks was Amazed By Goku and Cells Power even after Trunks Trained 1 more Year in the Time Chamber. Goku and Gohan on the other hand Trained less than a Year and Their Power Surpasses Vegeta and Trunks by a Good Margin even thou Vegeta and Trunks Trained 2 years in Total. If I'm not mistaken, Mr Popo said they had nearly 3 hours left when Goku and Gohan came out, so they were in there for a little more than 21 hours or 320 days if you do the Math. It doesn't make sense that Grade 4 is just Better Stamina and Ki Control, There's a Significant Boost in Power also! Keep in mind before Goku went to the Time Chamber He was on Par with SSJ Vegeta who was A Lot weaker than Android 18. Then after 320 days in the Chamber, His Power Shot Up to Perfect Cell Levels of Power!
Dragon Scale Tens of times means 100x so I don’t understand the issue on that one. And SSJ Grade 4 is basically just SSJ form with better stamina control there isnt a increase in multipliers. Its just both Goku and Gohan have stronger base form by training smart which can explain why they got stronger so fast. Vegeta and Trunks basically trained separate (or at least I think based on what I saw) which is also the reason why their progress was much slower.
you forget under the fight with kefla Goku is stated to be heavily weakened from the previous fights and minor spars with Jiran...(If he even got to fight a bit of Jiran at that time or till further later, I do not remember.)
Pretty sure Goku and Vegeta didn’t go Super Saiyan while training with Whis cause the forms would be an easy way out of the training, and they are not the types to go for a safety ladder. They are both way to prideful, willing and tenacious to use their greater forms, when their base powers are what the training was pushed to press. Whis trains Goku and Vegeta to naturally improve. They too are aware that you can’t rely on a forms power-up alone to win you a fight. Heck we see this even in the Saiyan saga how Kaioken and great ape did not claim either goku nor vegeta the win. They train their warrior prowess. They aren’t not using Ssj cause they are developing their god ki. Whis is training them how to Fight like a God. Adapting and enhancing their movement, thought processing and teamwork; all down to the smallest details. As seen when Whis is telling them about how to perfect their movements, which was a big hint for Ultra Instinct early into the series. Power does not matter when training ones skill and mind. That is what Whis trains. Obviously they get stronger, saiyans who train always do. Whis only tends to push them to use their super forms so they can go all out on him, this allows him to see their progress at their peak condition. Such a thing would allow Whis to give directions as to their improvements and continuous flaws, something a master should be doing to properly gauge than evolve their pupils.
Just to clarify, Goku is not always at super saiyan god level in his base. There is something called "Saiyan Beyond God", that is the state whom Goku access when he wants to use the god ki in his base. So, power ups from base to ssj, ssj2 so on are from his really really base. That's why SSG looks so stronger than the other ssj forms. If Goku accesses Saiyan Beyond God state and uses a ssj form at the same time, the only thing that gets multiplied is his base ki, not his god ki. The only forms that multiplies God Ki should be Blue, Evolution and Kaioken (because Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego are also additives and not multipliers, this is shown in Moro arc when Goku fights using UI Omen and Blue at the same time).
Oh no it's the old intro that always gets me, it looked good before the new one came out but in comparison, it looks hilariously bad (whoever drew that sry)
It was never shown that Vageta had original God form. This means God form was unlocked for everyone in the ritual or a variant to build off of. The berserk form seems to be a varient to the super saiyan form but work oppositely where muscles and strength is more viable opposed to a more agile and weaker one. I get the feeling U7 planet Vageta will be coming back for the berserk form and U6 will be more helpful for the normal one. Having 2 base super saiyan forms and twin universes seems sus. A final saiyan form will be the end game that requires mastery of all the others.
The only problem about the manga is. Vegeta doesn’t find a different path to get stronger than Goku. Instead they both continue on the same path symbolizing that their rivalry isn’t taken up a notch.
I actually have a theory about super saiyan rage, Trunks was enraged so it pushed him to a berserker super saiyan 2 cus he was so angry, but then remember... his surrounded by godly, divine beings so I think as he was transforming his body evolved to be as strong as all these godly beings. And so I think super saiyan rage is super saiyan 2 plus god ki. That’s my theory
My favorite super Saiyan forms were Super Saiyan 2 and Grade 2 and Ultra buff Grade 3 and even Legendary ssj berserk. In God Ki forms was Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan blue and kaioken x10 and x20. OH yeah Super Saiyan Rage blue berserk and one more Master ultra instinct.
I always thought that the best way to name the god forms was by calling SSG a “Saiyan God” and by calling SSGSS a “SUPER Saiyan God”. It not only rolls off the tongue way better but it makes like ten times more sense because you have the original god form then that but much stronger, hence the addition of “Super” to the name. Not to mention SSG looks less like a super Saiyan form (maybe just a color change but it’s not spiked up like any other SSJ forms, whereas SSGSS is the same as every other form in that right as it changes the shape of the hair structure. Maybe I’m ranting for no reason I just wished that maybe they pulled the ol’ DBZ retconning trick (what a wonderful thing) and rewrote how they were named
I would love the concept that Vegeta access all his powers and the mixture of Base, Super Saiyan- Super Saiyan 2, with Ki Control to a Divine Level. This will allow Vegeta to gain an exponential power boost of Base x Super Saiyan x Super Saiyan 2. However even that probably will not have Vegeta be even close to Blue or Blue Evolution. But with a form that has no God Ki yet has extreme Ki control like Blue will allow Vegeta to ascend past Blue & Blue Evolution. How will his appearance be? Vegeta will be in his normal state but his eyes will be the same as Super Saiyan’s eyes & his aura would be a mixture of his Base & Super Saiyan aura with SSJ2’s lightning. This form would allow Vegeta to be unprecedented in every way and his own way to surpassing Beerus. This is just something I would do.
I know I'm extremely late, but considering what the DBS manga did with Future Trunks, perhaps the rage form is the true successor to Super Saiyan 2? I mean, take Super Saiyan Grade 2 for instance. That was a form that was an ascension from regular Super Saiyan, however it was derived from pure training - not too dissimilar from Super Saiyan 3. Now, lets look at Super Saiyan Rage. Like previous Super Saiyan Forms, specifically Super Saiyan levels 1 and 2, this form is (presumably) only achieved through anger or a sense of frustration. As such, in terms of similarities to how the forms are achieved, Super Saiyan Rage lines up much better with how the first two levels of Super Saiyan were achieved, while Super Saiyan 3 could be assigned as a "grade" of Super Saiyan 2. Just a theory, hopefully posting this on a older video won't cause it to escape from your all-seeing eye, Carthu.
So, theory on how Vegeta could access God Ki despite not having the ritual. Whis did a pseudo ritual to get Vegeta closer to Goku, and it was done through the "training" Whis provided. Just a thought.
You see frieza, you're not dealing with the average saiyan warrior anymore. No, i have become, the legendary SUPE-- Kha! "Ma lung been shot ba that ther frieza ther. Ey karrot, maind avengin' me? Ad be real graetful." This Vegeta thought because he couldn't use a cleveland brown voice because he just had his lung pierced and was in severe pain. But hey, at least his final thought was *cleveland brown voice* "well ill be dayumned, literally." Before laughing and then blacking out from the pain, never to wake up again. Only to wake up again later cuz dargen baulz exist
I think He also used God against Jiren as well. Jiren blocked it with 1 finger. Which was scary from the start. It was also scary how Blue Vegeta was punching him in the chest and it doesn’t breach his energy. Jiren was a monster
So if ssj god is base and you can go ssj3 then why even have blue like how you explain it is kinda weird, also I low key hate how the universe 6 sayians can even keep up with goku when he’s in ssj god like shits dumb
I disagree with the idea of seeing ssj transformations as different. The different lines however are more accurate in my mind. On one line you have ssj. This begins with an initial transformation that you improve over time but fundamentally ssj all the way up to ssj3 are the same form. Then you have god ki transformations, god up to blue (and potentially u.i. but thats for another time) these transformations are fundamentally different from ssj, but compared to each other, god/blue are the same. The beserker form is interesting, but in my mind it's something that any race could arguably do, the saiyans just have an easier time as they are powered up by their rage anyway. So tl;dr, all ssj forms are the same form with variations in power, same for the god forms, and (potentially) same for the beserker forms. and as we know, theoretically anyone can achieve ui. This comment may be a little confusing so if you have any questions just ask and I'll try to answer.
SSJ3 the best transformation next to god I fucking love that shit lmao great video tho as always💪🏽 I was more interested in what chu had to say in this one. That SSJ rage form trash lmfaoo good looks but doesn’t make much sense
I feel like the ssj rage is suppose to be or represent the form or power up he used against ssj 3 goku in the manga , and you should note that goku was training kale and caulifa and only went god when they both went 2 and teamed up and got destroyed which caused them to fuse
I have a wild theory.. I think "ssj rage" it the true super Saiyan 3 I said this because super Saiyan 1 and 2 were both achieved by rage but ssj3 wasnt.. I know it's wild but it would be cool
lil Berry22 that’s a good theory. Because it has been said that the Super Saiyan 3 shown cannot be reached under normal circumstances. Goku was dead when he unlocked it and Gotenks is a fusion.
No, because SS2 is just the SS1 form perfected aka SS1 grade 5. You can't improve on perfection. What trunks did in super was absorb spirit or God energy into himself. Had nothing to do with his super Saiyan power.
Eric Staples it’s the next naturally occurring stage of super saiyan. So it has everything to do with his super saiyan power. Let me see krillin pull that shit and I’ll change my mind.
Carthu, you made an error, super Saiyan grade 1 is x50 multiplier, full power is x2 multplier grade 4 is super Saiyan full power which is x100 multiplier super Saiyan 2(grade5) is x200 Base multplier, meaning grade 5 multiplied grade 5 by 2. And super Saiyan 3 multplies super Saiyan 2 by 1.5, meaning x300 Base multplier.
I’m kinda curious if the SSJ2 form Kefla was using is more powerfull than regular a SSJ2? And 13:44 I thought using God ki in base makes them turn into SSJG?
SSJ2 Kafla is stated to be a regular SS2 but we could always get a guide that reveals more info. What you’re stating is just conjecture. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but it’s not stated or shown either. We even see Goku and Vegeta tap into SSB (dieting training) while still in base.
Carthu’s Dojo The way Goku explained SSJB *This is a Saiyan with the power of a Super saiyan god as a Super Saiyan* what he basically is saying that using God ki = SSJG and SSJ + God ki = SSJB. I thought this makes more sense than when people thought that Goku had 2 base forms (one with God ki and regular ki) when there was a thing called “Saiyan beyond god”. But this was easily debunked because everyone sensed his power. The raw power of SSJG (he absorbed) and training with Whis is what made him stronger. But either way I enjoyed watching the video!
@@FCBrock101 That's because you are right. The power of a god for a Saiyan is the power of a Super Saiyan God(similarly to how the godly power of God of Destruction is Destruction Energy); that's their godly power. When they briefly tapped into Super Saiyan God's power after concealing their Ki and heightening it within, it was later showcased as Super Saiyan God: SS. Which is the power of a Super Saiyan God being utilized as a Super Saiyan. You could assume that mastering the concept of concealing and heightening your Ki within enables one to tap into godly power at will. Realise when they were inside of Whis' staff after reapplying what they had learned prior they then reveal Super Saiyan God: SS when engaging Frieza. They weren't utilizing godly power in their base form during that scene by the way. Goku even confirmed that Vegeta obtained the same power he had obtained from Battle of Gods, which he later learned to tap back into at will, being Super Saiyan God. Ever since Super Saiyan God: SS's debut they were only ever shown utilizing godly power as a Super Saiyan God, and or Super Saiyan God: SS. They have never utilized godly power within their bases forms; there's no such thing as "two base forms" because that doesn't make sense... even in the phrase itself.
I think that Vegeta will never learn Kaioken because of his pride, he sees it as Goku's technique and he would never try to copy it. Goku will not copy Final Flash, Big Bang Attack or Galick Gun for the same reason.
I actually have a theory about super saiyan rage, Trunks was enraged so it pushed him to a berserker super saiyan 2 cus he was so angry, but then remember... his surrounded by godly, divine beings so I think as he was transforming his body evolved to be as strong as all these godly beings. And so I think super saiyan rage is super saiyan 2 plus god ki. That’s my theory
I have two questions 1. Isn’t super sweet and blue evolution kind of like super Saiyan two with Super Saiyan God on top of it 2. If what I said is true then shouldn’t they be able to access super Saiyan God was super Saiyan three on top of it.
To be honest I think controlled berserk is super saiyan 3 level because I don’t think she was able to keep up that long with a super saiyan god Goku due to also having caulifla helping her out But that’s my opinion
I dunno,Vegeta got Super Saiyan God without doing the ritual so maybe trunks inherited the ability to achieve strength without needing others. Just a theory take this with a grain of salt,ok?
Yamoshi was the first SSG, then he went SSJ? That's sounds like Goku's first experience with the form! And that might explain why the Legend of the Super Saiyan depicted the Super Saiyan as an unbeatable form: Because the first Super Saiyan had the power of a Super Saiyan God!
Goku blue nah that’s just like the Great Ape voice, something heard multiple tunes in the Japanese version of DBZ when Goku unlocks a new transformation or is pushing himself to the max. SS1 Goku has a deep roar in Japanese Z, DB Kai’s version sounds much more like the Great Ape, and SS3’s first transformation had the Great Ape seen and it’s roar. It’s just something that happens sometimes with Goku in the anime lol
Vukašin Đurić ĐuraSaiyan no it isn’t. There is no statement, reference, hint, clue or inference that it could be Yamoshi, seeing as he’s never been mentioned in the series, only in an interview and we’ve seen this roaring effect before like I mention earlier. It’s just a cool effect they use to show how powered up he is.
Hey youtuber! Do you know why the scroll and skip bar are so bugged?ike a commercial comes and the skip bar is jumpy. as it counts down it jumps back to 5 seconds. The scroll bar does the same. I’m 20:00 minutes into the video and the scroll bar jumps back to 0:01 seconds. The video continues but if I do something like rewind 10 seconds, it starts the video over.
I hate how people forget about false super saiyan... you remember during the movie with Slug, and Goku had a gold aura and his eyes were white and his hair stayed the same
@@bullymaguire632 I know this comment is from a year ago: The manga is the main cannon, the anime adapts the stories and art and such. What do you mean it isn’t cannon when it’s the main source that most people use when talking about things like multipliers or information or details of characters or stories and such? Z Kai is just Z but improved and is closer to the manga, with dialogue and such.
I know this comment is from a year ago: He’s only talking about main continuity from the manga & anime, not movies and games. You think you’d meantion Super Sayia-Jin 4, (False) Legenday Super Sayia-Jin and such?
I actually have a theory about super saiyan rage, Trunks was enraged so it pushed him to a berserker super saiyan 2 cus he was so angry, but then remember... his surrounded by godly, divine beings so I think as he was transforming his body evolved to be as strong as all these godly beings. And so I think super saiyan rage is super saiyan 2 plus god ki. That’s my theory
I actually have a theory about super saiyan rage, Trunks was enraged so it pushed him to a berserker super saiyan 2 cus he was so angry, but then remember... his surrounded by godly, divine beings so I think as he was transforming his body evolved to be as strong as all these godly beings. And so I think super saiyan rage is super saiyan 2 plus god ki. That’s my theory
Okay, the idea that SSB is a x50 boost over SSG just because he was able to keep up with Kefla in it is bad logic. I mean it isn't shown that Goku was moving 50 times faster. He would have been out speeding Kefla at that point. Hell Goku was able to easily out speed and one shot Nappa just from using Kaioken x1. He didn't need a x50 boost.
wait i thought Vegeta achieved grade 2 in only 2 months? huh oh ok good there is technically a 3rd power up to a ss2 as i call it powered up ss2 with the only user being Future Trunks (Manga) it is still the Perfect Super Saiyan form but it's as powerful as a SS3 while still being a SS2 also Cumber is a big middle finger to Goku since he achieved the Full Power of ss3 by going Full Power SS3
Ok you get a lot of stuff it think is wrong. the multiplier with super sayian slower the training because they gain the same amount in training in super sayian but lose it in base at less some of the train do to the divide of there power down.
My theory is his body wasnt ready for it at the time as kaioken by itself is stressful and when he first used it with blue he said how if he messed up it would not have ended good for him or maybe he wanted to see gohan to break his limits and achieve ssj2
Jabari Cazaubon Goku isn’t able to stack kaioken on top of regular super saiyan, even if it’s a present Goku, his body won’t be able to stand the stress of the super saiyan form plus kaioken, the muscles and power would make his body explode. He’s only able to do it when he’s dead. He’s able to stack kaioken on SSB, but because of the energy control, and also the god power can’t really be mixed well with the kaioken like the regular saiyan form. It’s different. Idk if you guys understood 😂😂 but I tried my best to make it as simple as possible
@@absolute_fonsii3563 but he already was fine with sacrificing himself so maybe he just wanted gohan to do it or toriyama completely forgot about kaioken🤣🤣
*You see frieza, you're not dealing with an average saiyan warrior anymore*
Well,that's more accurate than ever!
Ok
If you’ve watched dba then this comment is the best thing to have happened this week🤣
@@0zero728 what's dba?
@@DrDoom75 abridged, it’s by team4star
Carthu: berserker form isnt near ssj blue in strenght.
cannon broly:
Am i a joke to you
Most super saiyan should just be called SSJ plot especially caulifla
Well i thinks he's right because broly based power rised dramatically during the fight with goku and vegeta, and it went so high that lssj broly could be more powerful than ssb goku.
Later when broly fight gogeta in their ssj form, they went toe to toe, but then broly went berserk and gogeta went blue, broly was no match
In short, ssj broly~ssj gogeta
,berserk broly
Nah it's just broly was in ozaru form from the start.Plus they only made ssb weak so that Gogeta could return
It actually turns out the berserker form and broly's form are different... Apparently, he's the actual super Saiyan of legend and she is a demonic Saiyan or berserker
Dalton Asproth broly is legendary ssj not berserker
what if SS rage is the true SS3 and SS3 is just SS2 Grade 2
Yeah I can believe that
Ooh good idea for its anime girl
PrinXe Chuy no
Lal Boy what your gay
PrinXe Chuy no it can’t be cause in the manga they give him full power super saiyan so why would they give him the ssj3/ssjr
Trunks went from fodder to base black before coming to the present to throwing hands with m zamasu in a short amount of time. The only bigger jump is goku in 30 minutes going from being the dirt beneath jirens feet to surpassing every hakaishin
I thought saiyans had black hair tho trunks looks like a litle pimp
Quntus Adrian trunks is a hybrid saiyan, half human and half saiyan, so he can have different coloured hair
True but stil
he didn't surpass every hakaishin bro
ZaStando27 He obviously did
Saiyan's have a natural ability to learn things quickly after seeing them performed once. Like Goku and the Kamehameha or when Vegeta used the Kienzan to remove Oozaru Gohan's tail. This is why Vegeta could learn Super Saiyan God seemingly out of nowhere.
Monkey see monkey do
Well he didnt know out of nowhere, he used god after the T.o.P meaning he probably had it for that whole time he just never used it like if he used ssj3 its wouldn't really be out of nowhere
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People are making such big deal of Vegeta having ssjg... it's really not that complicated.
To go ssjb he had to go ssjg first since ssjb is stacking ssj on top of ssjg, if he was shown using ssjb what makes people think that he wouldn't be able to use it's weaker version ?
The movie was based on the manga, manga vegeta have ssjg
I feel like super saiyan evolution blue is just a grade 2 super Saiyan with God ki.
Omg, he even gains a bulkier build, too...
... Durr
Isn't that exactly what that is tho??
Yeah, I feel that SSJBE is Vegeta stacking SSJ Grade 2 and SSJG.
i wonder what ssjb grade 3 would look like
I feel like yamoshi has god ki and when the ritual happens it fills the saiyan with god ki "jump starting" the transformation
Cant lie. It was ingenious for goku to perfect ssj
Ant one of you or geekdom made a theory about Yamoshi and the ssjg it’s kinda believable that goku is the actual first ssjg or sum
Is this the video you’re talking about?
ruclips.net/video/8lwnwZrAHAA/видео.html
Carthu’s Dojo yeaaa & I believe geekdom did one as well
Nice video. I have to say though, the intro was a tad low compared to your voice and the rest of the video. Intro music for clarification. OTHER than that, really well done and stated. It shows levels and even how they came to be...NOW...if only the Manga and the anime were EXACTLY THE SAME like in SOME SERIES. >_> we wouldn't have issues. Gah. Though, I do like that technically Berserker is now canon. hehe.
Yeah the intro music is hard to balance because of the shatter sound effect. I may re-render it soon to fix the issue. Thank you!
My personal suggestion would be to separate the shatter from the intro if it's all one sound effect and balance it separately from the intro music itself. If you don't mind me asking, what program do you use to edit? If you said before I completely forgot lol.
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Headcanon: SSB Evolution and SSB Perfected the same thing. SSB utilizing all of its power in a condensed form but having a kaioken damage effect.
If you think about it, the super saiyan WAS the strongest natural being in the universe. Assuming Frieza was stronger than his father (debatable but they're fairly close anyway) the androids and cell were artificially strong, they weren't born with that potential, and majin buu was created by magic. Even beerus was trained by an angel from outside the universe and given god ki. As far as canon (which is fickle) is concerned, goku as a super saiyan 1 is the strongest natural being in the universe until other forms of super saiyans are introduced, which my other comment argues arent even different forms.
1:34 You show SSJ having two paths:
Grade 1 -> Grade 2 -> Grade 3
Grade 1 -> Grade 4 -> Grade 5 / SSJ2 -> SSJ3
I actually theorize that SSJ 3 is an evolution of Grade 2 or 3 (likely 2). Think about the similarities in the two branches:
Grade 1 is the basis of all other forms of SSJ, which is difficult to maintain as it drains stamina at a steady pace.
Grade 2 increases bulk, power and speed while increasing stamina drain; Grade 3 trades off speed for power and further increases stamina drain.
Grade 4 removes the stamina drain of the form altogether; Grade 5 / SSJ2 brings back stamina drain, likely equivalent to SSJ Grade 1, while increasing speed and power past that of Grade 2.
SSJ3 increases speed and power for an immense stamina drain--similar to the supposed power gain of Grade 3 (though we never see it hit anything to prove it) without the bulk and loss of speed but with stamina drain worse than any form seen before it.
I love it when we're on similar terms
I said somethin like this after you did except the ssj3 being an evolved form
Xomsabre its supposed to have 2 paths, grade 3 isnt an evolution of grade 4
Ssj2 is as strong as grade 3
Ssj3 is stronger than grade 3
I like how you're trying you best to make DRAGON BALL have a bit of LOGIC...good luck carthu!
What if super sayian blue evolved was super sayian blue grade 2
As in
Super sayian=super sayian blue
Super sayian grade 2 = super sayian blue evolved
boy like that was my first thought but my friends shut me down coz it does look like he gets more muscle
Super Sayia-Jin Blue Evolution isn’t Grade 2 of Super Sayia-Jin Blue.
Super Sayia-Jin Grade 2 isn’t too much of an increase while Blue Evolution is x20.
Grade 2 is simply increases muscle mass and spikes up the hair a bit more, it keeps the issues of Grade 1.
Blue Evolution is also an increase in muscle mass and spikes the hair a bit more but it changes or darkens the blue color as well as the aura, unlike Grade 2 which keeps the same aura of Grade 1.
Plus Blue Evolution is greater with removing or having less flaws then regular Blue.
also ss2 has 2 way of being achieved the ss3 way by training or the ssrage way by using rage
i have a what if idea
I'm confused about the whole Yamoshi aspect of the Super Saiyan God ritual, I mean what does he have to do with it besides being the first one to obtain it? I know it's Dragon Ball, but the whole "wandering in search for a SSG" doesn't make much sense to me either.
basically, if someone preforms the ritual again, yamoshi's spirit will be absorbed into them, granting them ssjg.
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@@Taffywater 🤔anyway
13:17 HE LITERALLY SPENDS TIME WITH GOKU, VEGETA, GOKU BLACK AND ZAMASU THIS ENTIRE ARC, AND THEY HAVE GOD KI. AND AS WE REMEMBER, YOU CAN GET GOD KI FROM ANOTHER ONE POSSESING IT
When did they state that
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What about the "THAT'S MY BULMAAAAA !!!!!" form ?
Its just SSJ2 stacked up with rage that surpassed SSJ3 Goku
A very informative video Carthu!
Good Job!👍👍
But I still believe SSJ Grade 4 is a 500x Multiplier cuz it never made sense to me that Grade 4 is just 50x.
The Feats and Scaling didn't make sense with the 50x multiplier when Goku used Grade 4.
But I know you don't believe that but it would be a Fun Debate otherwise. 😂😂
I don’t see what’s hard to understand. Goku says it’s regular Super Saiyan. They just trained and sparred which caused their base strength to increase. Arguing a form that is STATED to be regular Super Saiyan without the stamina and emotional issues. The Super Saiyan “grades” are fab terms and the Daizenshuu just describes it as the limit of Super Saiyan. Even more, Goku using Super Saiyan 2 against Zamasu is stated 10s of times stronger where he should be 100s of times based on the 500x multiplier.
For 1, DBS Writers aren't the Best Power Scalers cuz if SSJ2 is 100x as the Official guide says the Writer of Toei should have known Full Well and made Zamasu's line better by saying it more Directly like 100x boost instead of 10s of times. That makes it sound Arbitrary like the writer don't know the specifics of its multiplier.
On the other hand, DBZ didn't have this much of an Issue in Power Scaling since its all from Toriyama's Original Manga.
As for the Scaling of Grade 4, Cell said USSJ Trunks Power was greater than his own but Cell never powered up the entire time. He only started powering up When he fought Goku in the Cell Games and Everyone Including Trunks was Amazed By Goku and Cells Power even after Trunks Trained 1 more Year in the Time Chamber.
Goku and Gohan on the other hand Trained less than a Year and Their Power Surpasses Vegeta and Trunks by a Good Margin even thou Vegeta and Trunks Trained 2 years in Total.
If I'm not mistaken, Mr Popo said they had nearly 3 hours left when Goku and Gohan came out, so they were in there for a little more than 21 hours or 320 days if you do the Math.
It doesn't make sense that Grade 4 is just Better Stamina and Ki Control, There's a Significant Boost in Power also!
Keep in mind before Goku went to the Time Chamber He was on Par with SSJ Vegeta who was A Lot weaker than Android 18. Then after 320 days in the Chamber, His Power Shot Up to Perfect Cell Levels of Power!
Dragon Scale Tens of times means 100x so I don’t understand the issue on that one. And SSJ Grade 4 is basically just SSJ form with better stamina control there isnt a increase in multipliers. Its just both Goku and Gohan have stronger base form by training smart which can explain why they got stronger so fast. Vegeta and Trunks basically trained separate (or at least I think based on what I saw) which is also the reason why their progress was much slower.
I don’t do full debates in comments anymore. Hmu on discord and I’ll debate you there.
Basically 90% of my argument
12:16 i believe that, Vegeta in "that's my bulma" moment achieved SSJ Rage, while Trunks achieved SSJ2 Rage
you forget under the fight with kefla Goku is stated to be heavily weakened from the previous fights and minor spars with Jiran...(If he even got to fight a bit of Jiran at that time or till further later, I do not remember.)
Pretty sure Goku and Vegeta didn’t go Super Saiyan while training with Whis cause the forms would be an easy way out of the training, and they are not the types to go for a safety ladder.
They are both way to prideful, willing and tenacious to use their greater forms, when their base powers are what the training was pushed to press.
Whis trains Goku and Vegeta to naturally improve. They too are aware that you can’t rely on a forms power-up alone to win you a fight.
Heck we see this even in the Saiyan saga how Kaioken and great ape did not claim either goku nor vegeta the win.
They train their warrior prowess. They aren’t not using Ssj cause they are developing their god ki.
Whis is training them how to Fight like a God. Adapting and enhancing their movement, thought processing and teamwork; all down to the smallest details.
As seen when Whis is telling them about how to perfect their movements, which was a big hint for Ultra Instinct early into the series.
Power does not matter when training ones skill and mind.
That is what Whis trains.
Obviously they get stronger, saiyans who train always do.
Whis only tends to push them to use their super forms so they can go all out on him, this allows him to see their progress at their peak condition.
Such a thing would allow Whis to give directions as to their improvements and continuous flaws, something a master should be doing to properly gauge than evolve their pupils.
Just to clarify, Goku is not always at super saiyan god level in his base. There is something called "Saiyan Beyond God", that is the state whom Goku access when he wants to use the god ki in his base. So, power ups from base to ssj, ssj2 so on are from his really really base. That's why SSG looks so stronger than the other ssj forms.
If Goku accesses Saiyan Beyond God state and uses a ssj form at the same time, the only thing that gets multiplied is his base ki, not his god ki. The only forms that multiplies God Ki should be Blue, Evolution and Kaioken (because Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego are also additives and not multipliers, this is shown in Moro arc when Goku fights using UI Omen and Blue at the same time).
Oh no it's the old intro that always gets me, it looked good before the new one came out but in comparison, it looks hilariously bad (whoever drew that sry)
"A Super Saiyan God couldn't even keep up with base Kefla" and that's how you know power levels are bullshit I'm DBS, lol.
It's a good thing gohan have his ultimate form he dont have to worry the strain ssj forms have on your body
If vegeta turned supersayan god after their fusion, then he might have been I influenced by the spirit through the fusion with Goku
It was never shown that Vageta had original God form. This means God form was unlocked for everyone in the ritual or a variant to build off of. The berserk form seems to be a varient to the super saiyan form but work oppositely where muscles and strength is more viable opposed to a more agile and weaker one. I get the feeling U7 planet Vageta will be coming back for the berserk form and U6 will be more helpful for the normal one. Having 2 base super saiyan forms and twin universes seems sus. A final saiyan form will be the end game that requires mastery of all the others.
The only problem about the manga is. Vegeta doesn’t find a different path to get stronger than Goku. Instead they both continue on the same path symbolizing that their rivalry isn’t taken up a notch.
This didn’t age well
I actually have a theory about super saiyan rage, Trunks was enraged so it pushed him to a berserker super saiyan 2 cus he was so angry, but then remember... his surrounded by godly, divine beings so I think as he was transforming his body evolved to be as strong as all these godly beings. And so I think super saiyan rage is super saiyan 2 plus god ki. That’s my theory
My favorite super Saiyan forms were
Super Saiyan 2 and Grade 2 and Ultra buff Grade 3 and even Legendary ssj berserk.
In God Ki forms was
Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan blue and kaioken x10 and x20.
OH yeah Super Saiyan Rage blue berserk and one more Master ultra instinct.
I think it would make more perfect sense if trunks is transformation was due to his rage of being half human
I always thought that the best way to name the god forms was by calling SSG a “Saiyan God” and by calling SSGSS a “SUPER Saiyan God”. It not only rolls off the tongue way better but it makes like ten times more sense because you have the original god form then that but much stronger, hence the addition of “Super” to the name. Not to mention SSG looks less like a super Saiyan form (maybe just a color change but it’s not spiked up like any other SSJ forms, whereas SSGSS is the same as every other form in that right as it changes the shape of the hair structure.
Maybe I’m ranting for no reason I just wished that maybe they pulled the ol’ DBZ retconning trick (what a wonderful thing) and rewrote how they were named
Yo! Me too! Idk whats wrong with these damn writers
and ssjg isn't even related to super saiyan. Its only base with god ki, while ssjb is ssjg plus super saiyan.
BRO I JUST NOTICED HES PLAYING DAY OF FATE IN THE BACKGROUND
0:06 I Expected *SILVER EYEZ*
Hope tht in the manga rn they explain super Saiyan god more often. I want a more broad explanation of it
I would love the concept that Vegeta access all his powers and the mixture of Base, Super Saiyan- Super Saiyan 2, with Ki Control to a Divine Level. This will allow Vegeta to gain an exponential power boost of Base x Super Saiyan x Super Saiyan 2. However even that probably will not have Vegeta be even close to Blue or Blue Evolution. But with a form that has no God Ki yet has extreme Ki control like Blue will allow Vegeta to ascend past Blue & Blue Evolution. How will his appearance be? Vegeta will be in his normal state but his eyes will be the same as Super Saiyan’s eyes & his aura would be a mixture of his Base & Super Saiyan aura with SSJ2’s lightning. This form would allow Vegeta to be unprecedented in every way and his own way to surpassing Beerus. This is just something I would do.
I know I'm extremely late, but considering what the DBS manga did with Future Trunks, perhaps the rage form is the true successor to Super Saiyan 2?
I mean, take Super Saiyan Grade 2 for instance. That was a form that was an ascension from regular Super Saiyan, however it was derived from pure training - not too dissimilar from Super Saiyan 3. Now, lets look at Super Saiyan Rage. Like previous Super Saiyan Forms, specifically Super Saiyan levels 1 and 2, this form is (presumably) only achieved through anger or a sense of frustration. As such, in terms of similarities to how the forms are achieved, Super Saiyan Rage lines up much better with how the first two levels of Super Saiyan were achieved, while Super Saiyan 3 could be assigned as a "grade" of Super Saiyan 2.
Just a theory, hopefully posting this on a older video won't cause it to escape from your all-seeing eye, Carthu.
I always saw it as an alternate ascension from ssj3. Like either you could go ssj2 --> ssj3 or ssj2 --> ssj rage.
I like the day of fate theme playing in the background:-)
Usually I think kale go super Saiyan 2 if she can go beyond her limits if Cabba teach her how to do it but I rather stick with Legendary ssj
Ssg and ssb are above the full power ssj form it just depends on who has it like if you gave kid trunks ssg he wont be even base goku level
So, theory on how Vegeta could access God Ki despite not having the ritual. Whis did a pseudo ritual to get Vegeta closer to Goku, and it was done through the "training" Whis provided. Just a thought.
Since Super Saiyan Grade 4 works like base form...Goku should have stacked it with Kaioken...
You see frieza, you're not dealing with the average saiyan warrior anymore. No, i have become, the legendary SUPE-- Kha! "Ma lung been shot ba that ther frieza ther. Ey karrot, maind avengin' me? Ad be real graetful." This Vegeta thought because he couldn't use a cleveland brown voice because he just had his lung pierced and was in severe pain. But hey, at least his final thought was *cleveland brown voice* "well ill be dayumned, literally." Before laughing and then blacking out from the pain, never to wake up again. Only to wake up again later cuz dargen baulz exist
yo carthu did you miss ssj4 on purpose or you just forgot
love the channle and i like and i am just asking btw
Trash Cannot like ssj4 fuck gt especially it’s story
I honestly think SSJ4 is a better design for a transformation then SSG
I think He also used God against Jiren as well. Jiren blocked it with 1 finger. Which was scary from the start. It was also scary how Blue Vegeta was punching him in the chest and it doesn’t breach his energy. Jiren was a monster
And his personality sucks
Thank you for pointing this out, that way, those who were jealous of Caulifla and Kale can think twice before complaining for no reason.
This is the first video over 2y old that I’ve watched and you can TELL that you’ve improved on everything. Keep going man
So if ssj god is base and you can go ssj3 then why even have blue like how you explain it is kinda weird, also I low key hate how the universe 6 sayians can even keep up with goku when he’s in ssj god like shits dumb
Ssjg form the BoG arc is base but you can still stack the god form onto itself
I disagree with the idea of seeing ssj transformations as different. The different lines however are more accurate in my mind. On one line you have ssj. This begins with an initial transformation that you improve over time but fundamentally ssj all the way up to ssj3 are the same form. Then you have god ki transformations, god up to blue (and potentially u.i. but thats for another time) these transformations are fundamentally different from ssj, but compared to each other, god/blue are the same. The beserker form is interesting, but in my mind it's something that any race could arguably do, the saiyans just have an easier time as they are powered up by their rage anyway. So tl;dr, all ssj forms are the same form with variations in power, same for the god forms, and (potentially) same for the beserker forms. and as we know, theoretically anyone can achieve ui. This comment may be a little confusing so if you have any questions just ask and I'll try to answer.
SSJ3 the best transformation next to god I fucking love that shit lmao great video tho as always💪🏽 I was more interested in what chu had to say in this one.
That SSJ rage form trash lmfaoo good looks but doesn’t make much sense
I feel like the ssj rage is suppose to be or represent the form or power up he used against ssj 3 goku in the manga , and you should note that goku was training kale and caulifa and only went god when they both went 2 and teamed up and got destroyed which caused them to fuse
I agree with you on the fact that goku was holding back against Kale because he had to in order to pace himself so he doesn't lose stamina .
I have a wild theory.. I think "ssj rage" it the true super Saiyan 3 I said this because super Saiyan 1 and 2 were both achieved by rage but ssj3 wasnt.. I know it's wild but it would be cool
lil Berry22 that’s a good theory. Because it has been said that the Super Saiyan 3 shown cannot be reached under normal circumstances. Goku was dead when he unlocked it and Gotenks is a fusion.
No, because SS2 is just the SS1 form perfected aka SS1 grade 5. You can't improve on perfection. What trunks did in super was absorb spirit or God energy into himself. Had nothing to do with his super Saiyan power.
Eric Staples it’s the next naturally occurring stage of super saiyan. So it has everything to do with his super saiyan power. Let me see krillin pull that shit and I’ll change my mind.
Eric Staples disagreed
Carthu, you made an error, super Saiyan grade 1 is x50 multiplier, full power is x2 multplier grade 4 is super Saiyan full power which is x100 multiplier super Saiyan 2(grade5) is x200 Base multplier, meaning grade 5 multiplied grade 5 by 2. And super Saiyan 3 multplies super Saiyan 2 by 1.5, meaning x300 Base multplier.
Actually
Grade 1 / 4 - x50 base
Grade 5 - x100 base
SSj3 - x400 base
Grade 2 - ?
Grade 3 - ?
SSjGod - idk either x500 (low-balled), x4,000 (mid-ball), x500,000 (high ball).
I’m kinda curious if the SSJ2 form Kefla was using is more powerfull than regular a SSJ2? And 13:44 I thought using God ki in base makes them turn into SSJG?
SSJ2 Kafla is stated to be a regular SS2 but we could always get a guide that reveals more info.
What you’re stating is just conjecture. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but it’s not stated or shown either. We even see Goku and Vegeta tap into SSB (dieting training) while still in base.
Carthu’s Dojo The way Goku explained SSJB *This is a Saiyan with the power of a Super saiyan god as a Super Saiyan* what he basically is saying that using God ki = SSJG and SSJ + God ki = SSJB.
I thought this makes more sense than when people thought that Goku had 2 base forms (one with God ki and regular ki) when there was a thing called “Saiyan beyond god”. But this was easily debunked because everyone sensed his power. The raw power of SSJG (he absorbed) and training with Whis is what made him stronger. But either way I enjoyed watching the video!
@@FCBrock101 That's because you are right. The power of a god for a Saiyan is the power of a Super Saiyan God(similarly to how the godly power of God of Destruction is Destruction Energy); that's their godly power. When they briefly tapped into Super Saiyan God's power after concealing their Ki and heightening it within, it was later showcased as Super Saiyan God: SS.
Which is the power of a Super Saiyan God being utilized as a Super Saiyan. You could assume that mastering the concept of concealing and heightening your Ki within enables one to tap into godly power at will. Realise when they were inside of Whis' staff after reapplying what they had learned prior they then reveal Super Saiyan God: SS when engaging Frieza. They weren't utilizing godly power in their base form during that scene by the way.
Goku even confirmed that Vegeta obtained the same power he had obtained from Battle of Gods, which he later learned to tap back into at will, being Super Saiyan God. Ever since Super Saiyan God: SS's debut they were only ever shown utilizing godly power as a Super Saiyan God, and or Super Saiyan God: SS. They have never utilized godly power within their bases forms; there's no such thing as "two base forms" because that doesn't make sense... even in the phrase itself.
Would it be possible for vegeta to learn kaioken if so ssjb evolution stacked with 20x kaioken he would be A BEAST!
I think that Vegeta will never learn Kaioken because of his pride, he sees it as Goku's technique and he would never try to copy it.
Goku will not copy Final Flash, Big Bang Attack or Galick Gun for the same reason.
@@fly672 yes thats true but think of the potential
I actually have a theory about super saiyan rage, Trunks was enraged so it pushed him to a berserker super saiyan 2 cus he was so angry, but then remember... his surrounded by godly, divine beings so I think as he was transforming his body evolved to be as strong as all these godly beings. And so I think super saiyan rage is super saiyan 2 plus god ki. That’s my theory
I have two questions 1. Isn’t super sweet and blue evolution kind of like super Saiyan two with Super Saiyan God on top of it 2. If what I said is true then shouldn’t they be able to access super Saiyan God was super Saiyan three on top of it.
Even though this is very old and basic, it's still pretty good
Great vid
Thank you!
Correction, grade 2 is slower but stronger.
No it is more draining , stamina wise but stronger and faster .
Thanks u for this information cause I’m a dragon ball z fan but I didn’t know how vegeta got super sayian god
God tree:naruto anyone
To be honest I think controlled berserk is super saiyan 3 level because I don’t think she was able to keep up that long with a super saiyan god Goku due to also having caulifla helping her out But that’s my opinion
I think they could have named the God forms differently.
Red should have been Saiyan God. And Blue should have been Super Saiyan God.
Everybody agrees, but the producers thought they would make more money by increasing the usage of the label "Super Saiyan", so here we are.
I thought Trunks’ form was just him using the spirit bomb energy.
His intro said "dOn'T bE ShY, pUT sOMe MoRe"
Is God really a "exclusive" form? It's basically just Godki, while everyone can attain it, I really don't see it as a form tbh
in dragon ball if a sayin's hair and eye color change its prob a form
@@Hierophant_Bean still , it's just another type of ki
Sparkist I agree, I’ve always thought super saiyan god was just Goku activating God ki, which everyone should be able to do
It’s a super Saipan god
Rose Boi he never said he wasn’t a form, just questioning whether or not it was exclusive to Saiyans
What's the song in the background?
Mistare Fusion is currently using it for his Dragon Ball Dissection videos for the Cell Saga???
I know your comment is a pregnancy old, but it’s Unmei no Hi, it’s the song that plays in the original version of DBZ when Gohan goes Super Saiyan 2
Super Saiyan 4? No ok
Mr CMSr we don’t talk about g t
😂
its not canon
Super sayian 2 only looks good on gohan and vegeta
To me it’s also good on Kakkarot.
I dunno,Vegeta got Super Saiyan God without doing the ritual so maybe trunks inherited the ability to achieve strength without needing others. Just a theory take this with a grain of salt,ok?
Yamoshi was the first SSG, then he went SSJ? That's sounds like Goku's first experience with the form! And that might explain why the Legend of the Super Saiyan depicted the Super Saiyan as an unbeatable form: Because the first Super Saiyan had the power of a Super Saiyan God!
In the movie he was but in Super he was just SSjGrade 1, then as a spirit who wonder the universe helpd Kakkarot became the SSjGod.
What if yamoshi is the second voice when goku started roaring in ultra instinct
Goku blue nah that’s just like the Great Ape voice, something heard multiple tunes in the Japanese version of DBZ when Goku unlocks a new transformation or is pushing himself to the max. SS1 Goku has a deep roar in Japanese Z, DB Kai’s version sounds much more like the Great Ape, and SS3’s first transformation had the Great Ape seen and it’s roar.
It’s just something that happens sometimes with Goku in the anime lol
Still it's a good theory even though I'm pretty sure it's just the great ape part of him like Leon said.
Vukašin Đurić ĐuraSaiyan no it isn’t. There is no statement, reference, hint, clue or inference that it could be Yamoshi, seeing as he’s never been mentioned in the series, only in an interview and we’ve seen this roaring effect before like I mention earlier. It’s just a cool effect they use to show how powered up he is.
Hey youtuber! Do you know why the scroll and skip bar are so bugged?ike a commercial comes and the skip bar is jumpy. as it counts down it jumps back to 5 seconds. The scroll bar does the same. I’m 20:00 minutes into the video and the scroll bar jumps back to 0:01 seconds. The video continues but if I do something like rewind 10 seconds, it starts the video over.
I hate how people forget about false super saiyan... you remember during the movie with Slug, and Goku had a gold aura and his eyes were white and his hair stayed the same
Good point, but this is only covering *canon* transformations. False SSJ is only exclusive to that movie.
Technically, the manga isn't canon, but I get your point
@@bullymaguire632 the manga is cannon btw
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I know this comment is from a year ago:
The manga is the main cannon, the anime adapts the stories and art and such.
What do you mean it isn’t cannon when it’s the main source that most people use when talking about things like multipliers or information or details of characters or stories and such?
Z Kai is just Z but improved and is closer to the manga, with dialogue and such.
I know this comment is from a year ago:
He’s only talking about main continuity from the manga & anime, not movies and games.
You think you’d meantion Super Sayia-Jin 4, (False) Legenday Super Sayia-Jin and such?
I actually have a theory about super saiyan rage, Trunks was enraged so it pushed him to a berserker super saiyan 2 cus he was so angry, but then remember... his surrounded by godly, divine beings so I think as he was transforming his body evolved to be as strong as all these godly beings. And so I think super saiyan rage is super saiyan 2 plus god ki. That’s my theory
I actually have a theory about super saiyan rage, Trunks was enraged so it pushed him to a berserker super saiyan 2 cus he was so angry, but then remember... his surrounded by godly, divine beings so I think as he was transforming his body evolved to be as strong as all these godly beings. And so I think super saiyan rage is super saiyan 2 plus god ki. That’s my theory
25:45 Happens in the manga too. You might wanna redo your “if Goku was the legendary super saiyan” video. Its part of the canon. L.
Okay, the idea that SSB is a x50 boost over SSG just because he was able to keep up with Kefla in it is bad logic. I mean it isn't shown that Goku was moving 50 times faster. He would have been out speeding Kefla at that point. Hell Goku was able to easily out speed and one shot Nappa just from using Kaioken x1. He didn't need a x50 boost.
wait i thought Vegeta achieved grade 2 in only 2 months? huh
oh ok good
there is technically a 3rd power up to a ss2 as i call it powered up ss2 with the only user being Future Trunks (Manga) it is still the Perfect Super Saiyan form but it's as powerful as a SS3 while still being a SS2
also Cumber is a big middle finger to Goku since he achieved the Full Power of ss3 by going Full Power SS3
Really super sayin blue kaioken is super sayin on super sayin god and kaioken with super sayin and super saying got
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I wish ssj stopped at 2 and god stayed exclusive to the movie
That would be dumb
Why not ssj4 since it is part of ssj4. If your saying because of cannon why not add rose since it is part of the god ki transformation.
Ok you get a lot of stuff it think is wrong. the multiplier with super sayian slower the training because they gain the same amount in training in super sayian but lose it in base at less some of the train do to the divide of there power down.
super saiyan god ritual is just the cheat code of a lazy way to get god ki vegeta definitely learned it from training with whis and beerus with goku
Anyone know the background song name during the ssj grade 3 chapter? I need to know
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lol they said no surpassing full power ssjb and they might go to ui for vegeta when UE is here now,ultra ego
So is super saiyan 2 with God ki absorbed > super saiyan God?
In terms of power?
What happened ssj4
I know this comment is from a year ago:
He is only talking about forms from Z - Super, not counting GrandTour & Heroes.
What about Ssj4
I know this comment is from a year ago:
He’s only talking about Super Sayia-Jin forms from Z - Super, not counting GrandTour & Heroes and such.
I know this video is old but take in the fact that trunks has been fighting goku black for awhile and training with vegeta
Why didn’t you put ssj4.
Dragon Ball Z/Super only it seems.
why not make ssj grade 2 his base form instead of 1 it would be more powerful
Wait wait wait if goku really wanted he could have just went kaioken x3(since gohan is stronger in ssj grade 4) and beaten cell quickly....right?
My theory is his body wasnt ready for it at the time as kaioken by itself is stressful and when he first used it with blue he said how if he messed up it would not have ended good for him or maybe he wanted to see gohan to break his limits and achieve ssj2
Jabari Cazaubon Goku isn’t able to stack kaioken on top of regular super saiyan, even if it’s a present Goku, his body won’t be able to stand the stress of the super saiyan form plus kaioken, the muscles and power would make his body explode. He’s only able to do it when he’s dead.
He’s able to stack kaioken on SSB, but because of the energy control, and also the god power can’t really be mixed well with the kaioken like the regular saiyan form. It’s different.
Idk if you guys understood 😂😂 but I tried my best to make it as simple as possible
@@absolute_fonsii3563 but he already was fine with sacrificing himself so maybe he just wanted gohan to do it or toriyama completely forgot about kaioken🤣🤣
If He wants to kill himself yes cuz kaioken damages Goku
@@kamikazechristoph9062 i just said goku was ok with sacrificing himself from the start of the cell saga sooooo yeh