@@producedbykhireyakeem4340 Where did you pull that bs from if Vegeta got smashed by a 1v1 Goku against all odds the first time (until he literally had to pull the Great Ape, and still lost) and, the second time, he needed Majin powers to even be able to draw against Goku, before cheapshotting him when they weren't fighting anymore.
@@delinquent2797 Which is his own but especially crippling technique. Couldn't be more farther from the total comfort of getting invincible from your back pocket like the Great Ape.
Then he'd literally be 4x stronger than Majin Vegeta since they were equals as SSJ2 and the SSJ3 transformation gives you a 4x increase. It'd be a bigger ass whooping than their first fight when Goku went Kaioken x3.
Actually it was revealed that Vegeta was slightly stronger than Goku while they both were a Super Saiyan 2, but if Goku is given the chance to Goku Super Saiyan 3 he will win. Although it was officially stated that the transformation alone took half his ki and we know that Goku didn't Master Super Saiyan 3 until super after he trained with Whis ( is training with Whis led to him being able to transform into Super Saiyan 3 with no Ki consumption but he still couldn't maintain it for long because of the sheer amount of Ki and stamina it took to maintain the form) this still means that Goku's remaining Super Saiyan 3 power with be twice as strong as Vegeta
Okay well I should have said implied instead of revealed. Because there's no real Solid Source I can provide but I can go off of how Gohan's initial Super Saiyan 2 translation work in comparison to Vegeta's after he gave to the wizard. When Gohan initially transform his power output was exceptionally strong due to his rage. We do know that when Vegeta initially transforms into Super Saiyan 2 he still weaker than Goku Ssj 2. The wizard's magic ( I say his spell the Wizards name correctly) allowed him to draw out his full potential in Super Saiyan 2. Given that Vegeta's anger was extremely high due to always being overshadowed by Goku I think it's safe to assume that his anger gave him a slight boost in power to where he was able to be slightly stronger than Goku though not significant enough to be able to beat Goku easily
I feel like having vegeta changing his ways this much could change a lot of things, like spending more time with trunks (traning of course) and perhaps conceiving Bulla sooner. Maybe even having vegeta accepting the power of SSJ God instead of goku. It could deserve a second part if he is willing to accept help from others
Ayko Vegeta wouldn’t change his ways anyway, in his “You’re better than me Kakarot” speech, he acknowledges that he tried settling down and getting a family like Goku and he said his power didn’t change at all (or so he believes). Either way, Vegeta had already considered changing and felt it had no affect on his power. He wouldn’t change his ways in this alternate story.
@@javeydones5163 other than ultra instinct, vegeta is stronger than goku now in super. vegeta used to train just to beat goku but now he learned that training to push yourself and the joy of getting stronger is the better way
@@javeydones5163 aside from that thing Goku can't use right now , Vegeta is stronger. They are both training now in the next few months i am sure Goku will be stronger or equal again. Don't know why it matters who is stronger they both need each other anyway.
I second this. Part two for sure! Gohan will have no Ultimate form, but I'm curious how much will Vegeta's advice influence his overall power. Especially since Goku is alive and they can train together.
To this day, I'm still amazed Goku didn't stop Vegeta from killing the crowd at least. Between instant transmission and his 7 years of training in the afterlife, you'd figure he'd at the bare minimum he'd jump in front of the blast.
He didnt think he would shoot. And blasts are pretty quick. Look at what happened to gohan when he tried to step in front of a cell beam aimed for Vegeta, he got his arm blown off.
Goku was in his base form while Vegeta was SSJ and nearly max power. He DID try to stop the second blast Vegeta shot directly at him but Goku was overpowered and had to get out of the way of the blast.
@@vincentwijaya5479 look how long goku lasted in ssj3 mode vs fat buu and vs kid buu. He can use it longer than people give it credit for. His fight is long against kid buu but we see how fast kid buu beats vegeta to the dirt who's power is even with goku. No way would there be a chance vegeta stands a chance if stands a if goku goes ssj3. Cmon guy goku wouldn't need to hurry he could take his time 😂😂😂
@Shaikh Mustafa Salmanthat's pretty doubtfull, since majin vegeta was equal to ssj2 goku. And ssj3 is 4x ssj2, so he would at least be 4x stronger than ssj2 majin vegeta like how goku's ssj3 is 4x stronger than his ssj2 transformation.
The only ppl who think Vegeta would give up are fanboys that hate Vegeta so much for reason and love implying this headcannon that Goku would disrespect and hate on Vegeta when Goku respects Vegeta a lot
@@aeida6140 well he gave up against perfect cell when he let him transform so its safe to say that he would give up against ssj3 goku because of the power difference and that it hurt his pirde
@@aeida6140 you are the one who dont understand. Vegeta did gave up once he know his opponent is way beyond his limit. He gave up againts Freeza on namek after even with a zenkai boost he cant touch him. He gave up againts Perfect Cell after cell eat his final flash and still came out laughing. He gave up againts beerus after even with rage boost he cant do much to beerus. He only pushing thru and not give up when he know that his opponent is still within reach if they manage to pull out some tricks (fusion, spirit bomb, etc). Look, i love that man vegeta, his characters is the most interesting in the series. Heck, i'm pretty sure there's atleast 3 vegeta motivation talk in my workout playlist, he's just so damn inspirational. But even as a fan i know that vegeta have and will surrender if its a fight beyond his and everyone limit, he always let others more capable (mostly goku) to handle the fight he cant instead of throwing away his life stupidly.
CellJRs are not "bad". They were not killed by Gohan, they regenerated and were tamed by C17 to protect his island. Krillin even says that's how c17 became this strong. (check out the bonus chapter in DBS manga volume 8)
Carthu might wanna watch DBZ and DBS again, because peace, friendship, love, and trust wasn’t the thing that made Goku so strong In the Buu sage Vegeta said he used to think it was those attributes that pushes Goku to be so strong and found himself with loved ones and his power remaining the same Vegeta said it was Goku testing the limits of his abilities and pushing himself beyond those limits to become even stronger In DBS Whis told Vegeta if he learned energy control Vegeta wouldn’t be behind Goku as well as him needing to relax once in a while Vegeta pushes himself harder than Goku but his methods are an overkill. That’s the reason why Vegeta kept falling behind Goku and not these attributes Carthu mentioned here
I think going 3 at that point would just break vegeta mentally, in a way that wouldn't be repaired by the next arc. If anything, his development would regress from this if goku went all out then.
Yeah it definitely would I don't think vegeta would turn more evil from it I think it would break his fighting spirit to where he's has no interest in fighting anymore and will just focus on being a family man
@@halftime814 Dude was more embarrassed that Golu held back than going all out this is just more fan headcannon hate towards Vegeta he isnt one to give up HE LOVES SEEING PPL GO ALL OUT which is why he gave CELL A CHANCE TO POWER UP
Dude was more embarrassed that Golu held back than going all out this is just more fan headcannon hate towards Vegeta he isnt one to give up HE LOVES SEEING PPL GO ALL OUT which is why he gave CELL A CHANCE TO POWER UP
Gohan might still get Ultimate. Maybe Supreme Kai will decide to have Gohan train with the Z-Sword and become stronger as a sort of reward for helping finish the Buu threat as well as thinking that Gohan earned the privilege to try and free the sword. Goku would probably visit and meddle like he does and the events play out as normal.
4:00 You can literally just reference the original "you are number one" speech "But you never fought to kill or even to win. Only to test yourself and become the strongest you could possibly be" "How can a saiyan fight with such power and at the same time be so gentle!?" "I see it now, I fought to push down others, you only fight to push yourself!"
Thank you DevilArtemis. This channel is awesome! You just got a new sub and you didn't even have to go to Blimpies 😂 Great content man. I'm gonna watch the one about Future Gohan now I'm so excited!
Vegeta is completely different right now. I can see him going to yard ray immediately, or maybe going to train with the kaioshin. I’m imagining a vegeta who mastered yardratian ki manipulation techniques and has the ultimate form, I think it fits his character here well. And that ofc changes super a lot.
Honestly, I think the raw power expelled by transforming into SS3 would be enough to wake Buu up. It was far less controlled than SS2, and leaks ki as a feature. Its very likely just transforming into it, even for a split second, was too risky for Goku to consider. Especially since he barely had any training with it prior.
@@bubbamaster3116 ....He was able to do that because Goku turned his back to him to take out a senzu bean after Vegeta agreed that they should go take care of Buu. Did you even check the real fight? "Fanboyism" doesnt change facts.
@@bubbamaster3116 Stated to be even. Shown to be even. Goku lets his guard down, as he's been shown to do throughout the series, and is knocked out by a sneak attack. And that makes you think SSJ2 Majin Vegeta was stronger than SSJ3 Goku? Didn't that same SSJ2 Vegeta get whooped by Buu, and then SSJ3 Goku was so strong he was fucking with Buu? Did you pay attention to the story?
I’m happy you did this, though it wouldn’t have been as fun, you’re version of the story would’ve had great character development for Goku, Gohan, and especially vegeta, Goku would have a new goal of training the next generation of fighters which would make him a better family man than he already is and he would have a greater desire to train knowing threat Can appear regardless of his presence, Gohan would shed his arrogance way before he does in Super and would get back to training before the TOP, and Vegeta would get over his hatred of Goku sooner and be his own person
Do you remember the scene in DBS anime where Goku was sparing with future Trunks? Both went SSj2 and were equall. Then Goku went SSj3 and literally oneshoted Trunks. Thats how the fight will look between SSj3 Goku and SSj2 Majin Vegeta.
I like that quote, 2:05 “a test of skill, not power.” A lot of time people beat each other because of power cliffing and hax, but not by skills. That’s completely understandable to be frustrated at that fact
So now they're going to be doomed because there's no Majin Buu to help with Moro? 😔 Also, two things, Vegeta could have gone either way. he could have calmed down or he could have gone bonkers and tried to blow up the planet(like last time, who knows what that demon magic in him) or just fought Goku until Goku killed him, and Goku was trying to keep his time from being used up since he knew that if Majin Buu did get loose he'd have to fight. Isn't like Goku could have killed Vegeta in one punch as a Super Saiyan 3. Also, pretty sure that's not how Deborahs spit magic works, if it did, it would like turn his jaws and lips to Stone. Plus when he dies the stone thing where is off. Other than that excellent 👌 work.
I always thought it made more sense that SS3 was just incomplete like SSG1.5 was when Trunks used it. He was as strong as SS2 but didn't have the speed. SS3 mastered shouldn't have the energy problems
Majin Vegeta couldn’t beat Fat Buu. Goku states he could in his SS3 form, and he had no reason to lie. That’s about it, chief. EDIT: I guess I should have watch the video before commenting. Great work, I wasn’t expecting it to go this direction
And for that same reason he wouldn't accept resurrection, since he wanted the new generation to be earth's guardian, he didn't kill fat buu when he had the chance even after it killed Vegeta and (he thought) Gohan.
@OffendRF He literally battled Kid Buu and manhandled Majin Buu even while avoiding fighting him seriously and killing him. What makes you think that Goku is wrong and that he isn't actually stronger than Majin Buu as a super saiyan 3?
@OffendRF What? In the manga piccolo explicitly states that Base Super Buu is far more powerful in every way compared to Fat buu. Goku estimated that Pre-RosaT Super Saiyan Gotenks could defeat Fat buu, which puts him in the same class as Super Saiyan 3 Goku. Even if we foolishly ignore how much stronger they get whilst training in the Room of Spirit and Time, they're still as a Super Saiyan 3 8 times stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku, and it took that to match and slightly overpower super buu. Additionally, Goku's only lost to kid buu due to his regeneration and the stamina drain caused by using Super Saiyan 3 with a living body, He also stated he wanted to give vegeta a turn, but by the time he realized vegeta was no match for buu, he had already run out of ki. In this respect I agree that he underestimated kid buu to some extent.
@@RayTRX8 We have no way of knowing if Gotenks (Super Saiyan) could actually beat Innocent Buu. Goku had no real idea strong he would be. He was simply putting his faith in the younger generation, because he felt he was dead and couldn’t be coming back to the Real World to bail them out all the time. All we know is Base Gotenks got slapped by Fat Buu, and he didn’t last nearly as long as Majin Vegeta, only surviving because he fled. So it’s pretty safe to assume Majin Vegeta > Base Gotenks. That’s the most we can speculate. Gotenks has no feats to concretely prove that he’s even a little stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku, let alone an absurd 8 TIMES stronger. That’s ridiculous.
@@heroinvrxther5826 dude. Ssj3 gotenks was so strong he beat super buu to a pulp. Keep in mind that base gotenks after hbtc is far stronger than the one before hbtc. Just him using ssj1 is already almost as strong as ssj3 goku because he clearly handled normal super buu who is way stronger than fat buu to almost a standstill. Meanwhile his ssj3 form completely dominates super buu who already gained even more power by absorbing everyone outside of hbtc (the likes of krillin, yamcha, 18, etc). Saying he has no feats to prove that he's stronger than normal ssj3 goku is proposterous.
Gohan: I Wonder What Dad's Talking About On Namek *Meanwhile On Namek* Generic Namekian: So What Your Saying Is... You Want Us To Revive You Cause Your Technically Dead Even Though Your In-Front Of Us? Goku: Ya Huh! Generic Namekian: *Breaths And Sighs* k
Not harping on your video, I just have some thoughts on the series in general. SSJ3 was not thought of at that point, Vegeta sensed SSJ2 in the battle against Yakon, the series was supposed to end(again) at Vegeta's sacrifice. Goku's time runs out unconscious and Vegeta dead. After that they introduced a whole host of concepts, fusion, ssj3, Z sword, unlocking Gohan's potential(again) and all different forms of buu, all accepted as cannon today. Not to mention some very suspect story telling/dialog inside buu. But the worst offender is to end the series with a spirit bomb... Didn't work on Frieza, but it kills buu. No resolution, I know they wanted to keep it open for a sequel but Super isn't exactly a sequel either. Super takes the concepts and runs off into the Kelvin timeline so to speak. And we don't talk about GT.
ssj blose goku Yeah, makes you wonder what was the point of this video when the answer is so blatantly obvious. Hell if Goku were going all out in his SSJ2 form at the time he’d likely win anyway.
You need to make more parts showing the change in Vegeta and how it affects his power and growth. Maybe he surpasses Goku with his newfound sense of being. Maybe he doesn't. Please, consider doing more my man.
You forget goku's been the main character and the show started when hevwas a 5 year old right? Vegeta didn't come in until 20 years into the show as a super villian who's blown up planets and wants to destroy earth. People act like vegeta's the main character. The only reason he's still relevant is because bulma boinked him and popped out trunks.
@3rd Way i agree. I like and dislike vegeta's character. He was evil and no better than freiza just alot weaker hence why he had to backstab and sneak behind his back. He deserved to get killed by frieza.Goku made vegeta and changed him. Goku is 70% vegeta's motivation to get stronger and 30% to protect his family and the earth which is sad. This nonsense of "vegeta deserves to be the strongest" is bullshit
Vegeta has more poetic moments that feel fitting for a win. He didn’t have one with Frieza but when trunks died that would have been a good one for him, and when he did his final explosion would have been a good one for buu. Gohan had a good w with Cell, but Goku’s w with buu felt undeserved like there was no emotion there at all.
I wouldn’t have a problem if Toriyama didn’t set up situations where it would be awesome if Vegeta won, but then turn around and go “lol nah I mean it looked cool right but he just didn’t do enough damage lol” like just don’t give him the situation then
Also speaking from a “What should have happened” standpoint it was dumb for Vegeta to let cell power up and he should have killed him instead of letting him do that
Lol I'm about to debunk this before I watch this. When Vegeta came back to life he yelled at Goku for holding back on him having ss3. He said out his mouth he had him thinking he was stronger than him.
Akira has been harsh enough with Vegeta... His little saiyan pride would have broken into tiny pieces, and so would have our hearts :'( So thank you Akira :,)
Dang, I didn't realize how old this video is, and i was going to say that you should still have had S. Kai take Gohan to train with the Z sword, because he saw the potential in him and wanted to reward him with special Kai training! And of course, Goku BEGS to go as well, so they spend a few weeks/months there training, aaaaaannndddd still break the sword, get the ultimate power for Gohan (offered to Goku, but he declines, doesn't want free power). And Gohan gains a new respect for continued training. Maybe even Goten gets ultimate upgrade! (and he could ACTUALLY be relevant to the story for once....)
Goku:*goes ssj3* Majin Vegeta:*ass whooped* Vegeta: thank you for giving me respect by using your full power and i apologize for my actions. Lets go fight majin buu together and avoid more bloodshed
Scorpio Bradley 🤣 exactly Vegeta used to rely on zenkai boost to get stronger while Goku actually trained. However Vegeta fanboys don’t wanna acknowledge that.
@@CarpetFootball you wanna talk about training Vegeta has trained about every day of his life. Even as a kid he would train non stop. Vegeta is the best Character in Dragon Ball Z and Super. Goku is just a dumbass that has plot armor even thou Vegeta is the most Popular Character in Dragon Ball Z and Super. Vegeta also had alot tougher life growing up.
Always thought Buu was fed by ki, which was another reason Goku didn't transform. Maybe the ki expenditure in SS3 would have been more than having a long fight with two SS2-levels.
Vegeta sacrificing himself was a huge part of his character development. Without that he has yet to do a selfless act. His relationship with his family and Goku would not be the same in the future.
And man oh man did he get truly depressed vs Freezer and Broly. Especially vs Broly, it was crazy lol Goku going Super Saiyan 3 at that moment and after what he did, the desperation, Majin power etc would be rough on the story and even more on Vegeta
Well a couple scenarios could happen. 1. Goku beats Vegeta quickly to get back to the rest. 2. Goku transformation actually speeds up the Buu resurrection because of the expended energy it takes to just transform back then. If Buu is brought out earlier while Goku has expanded more energy by going Super Saiyan 3 early it could mean a worse ending for everyone as the possibility of Goku not getting time to teach fusion. Though as in said video if they do it quickly it just means a faster and easier end of the Arc. Though this might have negative repercussions in Super.
@@CarthusDojo im saying for like Smopovich and Yamu yea cause they could use ki and because extra durable. But Vegeta actually trained to be as strong as he was. Thats what i meant
vegeta had reached ss2j and surpassed gohan in previous years. this is evidenced by the confidence he shows towards dabura and the reproaches vegeta makes to gohan. so the 2 were in equal form but the difference was the way in which goku trained. having died, his body could endure more difficult or simply unsustainable training from a living person.
@@rodhgaralto that is correct. But again I'm just saying being a majin didn't increase his power, because he already obtained that power through training to be able to beat Gohan in a tournament to fight Goku. The only thing that's so weird about it is that he gave up fighting but then heard that Goku was coming back about a month before the tournament started so if he started training that one month, it wouldn't make sense how he got so strong in that little bit amount of time
We all know the story, Akira was making up the Buu Saga as he went along. Its the reason why it felt as disjointed as it did compared to every other Dragonball saga that came before it. Having that said, if Goku transformed, I imagine Vegeta wouldn't have quit so easily. He'd be desperate and try and all out attack but Goku would still overwhelm him. Pushed to his limit, Goku would power down from the form, being noticably more tired and would explain to Vegeta the drawback of using the form on his semi-living body. Not wanting a cop-out for a victory, Vegeta would concede and would try to take on Buu alone once again but I believe the result would be much more of the same. However I could see Goku using the last of his time to use Instant Transmission in order to save Gohan and Vegeta while Piccolo and Krillin would escape with Trunks and Goten. With the little time he'd have left, he'd form a plan with Gohan, Goten, Vegeta, Piccolo and Trunks while Krillin would rush off to tell Bulma and the others and from there, who knows?
You know, this may not make the Super arcs all that interesting - *except* for the Moro arc, where Buu is still sealed, and protected in the Kai realm. What would the galactic patrol do? Would they still get Goku and Vegeta? Would Moro take New Namek without interruption? Ofc the arc has to end to go through it all, but once it does, I'd be really interested in seeing what changes there'd be. And with no Buu for the ToP arc, would they immediately think of Frieza? Or would they draft someone else in first? Interesting to consider!
Vegeta: Kakarot! I shall now care as you care! Live as you live! Think as you think - when you think. Train as you train, and eat as you---- FIVE DAYS AND STOMACH PUMPS LATER... Vegeta: I shall train as you train...
I believe another outcome is more possible. Vegeta wouldn't give up. Not according to his character. Yes, SSJ3 would shock him at first and he would praise Goku but seeing the new power of Goku would make him want fight Goku even more than before. And as an excellent tactician he probably would fight defensively trying to find a weak spot of SSJ3. Maybe he would take a beating but Vegeta is extremely resilient. Probably he would drag the fight and this would have a bad outcome for Goku. Vegeta could also turn the tide of battle after the energy demand of SSJ3. Goku would think of this since he didn't mastered SSJ3 by then, and went with the better option, fighting as SSJ2.
Dude, majin vegeta was stomped and treated like a child by fat buu. Goku whooped fat buu and by his own statement could have easily killed him but chose not to for gotenk's sake. Strategy is irrelevent here, power is 4 times in goku's favor, speed is in his favor, and Vegeta would not last long enough for stamina to matter. SS3 would beat vegeta down, plain and simple.
Vegeta: *Kills innocents*
Goku: *Powers to ssj3*
Vegeta: *Shocked*
Goku: You done being bad?
Vegeta: *Nods*
Goku: Ok good, let’s go get ice cream
Black Saiyan God *credits roll*
*Gohan bangs videl wait what*
@@maratnahimana No.You had it right.
@@supersayianduo5153 Thanks man you made my day . You're a man right
@@maratnahimana I'm a man.😂😂Happy to help.
vegetas final realization "shit he's the main character isn't he?"
More like "I would be irrelevant and a done villain if It wasn't for Bulma and Trunks, why the heck should I surpass him for no reason"
Vegeta is 2-0 against Goku
@@producedbykhireyakeem4340 Where did you pull that bs from if Vegeta got smashed by a 1v1 Goku against all odds the first time (until he literally had to pull the Great Ape, and still lost) and, the second time, he needed Majin powers to even be able to draw against Goku, before cheapshotting him when they weren't fighting anymore.
@@dusk6159 Goku also went kaioken
@@delinquent2797 Which is his own but especially crippling technique.
Couldn't be more farther from the total comfort of getting invincible from your back pocket like the Great Ape.
Vegeta goes into permanent depression...lol
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Gets fat and changes his name to Fajita, prince of all mexican food.
I don't think so. He'd likely follow a similar mindset to Goku after losing to Jackie Chun.
Then he takes anti depressants and gets Erectile Dysfunction
Facts
Vegeta: Finally we are equal! I the prince of all sa-
Goku: Sorry best bud, SSJ3!!!!
If only TFS can do this
@@b14z3g3 you mean team three star?
@@kelmirosue3251 Yamcha:Team Three Star? What's that?Can I join?
@@-storm-4318 Lol
@@kelmirosue3251 Yamcha:IS THAT A YES!!??
I deadass used instant transmission to get here.
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@Dino ChickenNugget Not the real one
Blackscape damn chill
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Then he'd literally be 4x stronger than Majin Vegeta since they were equals as SSJ2 and the SSJ3 transformation gives you a 4x increase. It'd be a bigger ass whooping than their first fight when Goku went Kaioken x3.
Pretty Gordo 300x*
Actually it was revealed that Vegeta was slightly stronger than Goku while they both were a Super Saiyan 2, but if Goku is given the chance to Goku Super Saiyan 3 he will win. Although it was officially stated that the transformation alone took half his ki and we know that Goku didn't Master Super Saiyan 3 until super after he trained with Whis ( is training with Whis led to him being able to transform into Super Saiyan 3 with no Ki consumption but he still couldn't maintain it for long because of the sheer amount of Ki and stamina it took to maintain the form) this still means that Goku's remaining Super Saiyan 3 power with be twice as strong as Vegeta
@@patussus Where was it revealed that Majin Vegeta was slightly stronger? Let me see a source.
Pretty Gordo Majin Vegeta was a bit stronger than Goku SSJ2
Okay well I should have said implied instead of revealed. Because there's no real Solid Source I can provide but I can go off of how Gohan's initial Super Saiyan 2 translation work in comparison to Vegeta's after he gave to the wizard. When Gohan initially transform his power output was exceptionally strong due to his rage. We do know that when Vegeta initially transforms into Super Saiyan 2 he still weaker than Goku Ssj 2. The wizard's magic ( I say his spell the Wizards name correctly) allowed him to draw out his full potential in Super Saiyan 2. Given that Vegeta's anger was extremely high due to always being overshadowed by Goku I think it's safe to assume that his anger gave him a slight boost in power to where he was able to be slightly stronger than Goku though not significant enough to be able to beat Goku easily
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Then he would slap Vegeta... Hard 👌
Blackscape why..?
I mean will gokus transformation last that long?
@@arielramirez9228 that isn't the real blackscape
#1hero does it need to last longer than one shot? Because that’s all it would take.
@@1hero866 It lasted a little against Buu. The fight would be over in seconds if Goku took it serious
I feel like having vegeta changing his ways this much could change a lot of things, like spending more time with trunks (traning of course) and perhaps conceiving Bulla sooner.
Maybe even having vegeta accepting the power of SSJ God instead of goku.
It could deserve a second part if he is willing to accept help from others
Ayko Vegeta wouldn’t change his ways anyway, in his “You’re better than me Kakarot” speech, he acknowledges that he tried settling down and getting a family like Goku and he said his power didn’t change at all (or so he believes). Either way, Vegeta had already considered changing and felt it had no affect on his power. He wouldn’t change his ways in this alternate story.
@@javeydones5163 other than ultra instinct, vegeta is stronger than goku now in super. vegeta used to train just to beat goku but now he learned that training to push yourself and the joy of getting stronger is the better way
hoshihearts omochaooo Right, aside from that thing that makes Goku stronger than Vegeta, Vegeta is stronger than Goku.
@@javeydones5163 aside from that thing Goku can't use right now , Vegeta is stronger. They are both training now in the next few months i am sure Goku will be stronger or equal again. Don't know why it matters who is stronger they both need each other anyway.
@@everfrost6237 Can't use? Did he not use it in the ToP? Just because it can't be used on command doesn't mean it wouldn't happen in a fight.
Imagine Vegeta gets so mad that Goku surpassed him again, he accidentally becomes SSJ3 LOL
Nah he just starts begging Goku for mercy
That's how he became super saiyan so it wouldn't be to far off.
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Bro that would’ve been awesome. I can see that!
They'd just point at each other and smile.
Definitely need Part two
I second this. Part two for sure! Gohan will have no Ultimate form, but I'm curious how much will Vegeta's advice influence his overall power. Especially since Goku is alive and they can train together.
Yes!
@@PrinceVega Also no Gotenks since they never needed Fusion
To this day, I'm still amazed Goku didn't stop Vegeta from killing the crowd at least. Between instant transmission and his 7 years of training in the afterlife, you'd figure he'd at the bare minimum he'd jump in front of the blast.
He didnt think he would shoot. And blasts are pretty quick. Look at what happened to gohan when he tried to step in front of a cell beam aimed for Vegeta, he got his arm blown off.
@@diocletian607 Preteen Gohan just barely made it to save Vegeta. The Saiyan Prince would have died a second time right there.
never did gohan lose an arm , future trunks is from an alt. a dead arm isnt a blown off arm. @@diocletian607
Goku was in his base form while Vegeta was SSJ and nearly max power. He DID try to stop the second blast Vegeta shot directly at him but Goku was overpowered and had to get out of the way of the blast.
Bro I swear u literally watch this man blow 200+ ppl
We need another part since there is no Buu to piss off Beerus about pudding.
finally visionary thanks pal, yes please more parts on this
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Or just LOL yes more parts
Yea these DB butterfly effects have an extensive story obligation. It's kinda the rules
Somehow I still see him blowing himself up 🤔 lol
Lol I can imagine it. Vegeta loses his pride then decides to go nuclear to end it all.
@@BlandyBoiYT toriyama: Yes
@@souvikbose8583 Of course Toriyama. Of course.
Short answer, Vegeta gets clapped 😂
I know. Pointless drawn out video
true but if goku waste his time to much when using ssj3 he will get clapped by vegeta
@@vincentwijaya5479 look how long goku lasted in ssj3 mode vs fat buu and vs kid buu. He can use it longer than people give it credit for. His fight is long against kid buu but we see how fast kid buu beats vegeta to the dirt who's power is even with goku. No way would there be a chance vegeta stands a chance if stands a if goku goes ssj3. Cmon guy goku wouldn't need to hurry he could take his time 😂😂😂
What if Goku didn't learn the spirit control on the Yardard planet, and Goku went back to his home instead of Yardard...😏😏😏
@@kylemonsterdrywallfistbump5948 I mean Vegeta not about to just loose that quickly ssj3 is my fav but Vegeta is pretty strong
What if majin vegtea went ssj3 against buu in his final atonement lol
He would easily kill buu, he should be equal to ssj3 goku.
@Shaikh Mustafa Salmanthat's pretty doubtfull, since majin vegeta was equal to ssj2 goku. And ssj3 is 4x ssj2, so he would at least be 4x stronger than ssj2 majin vegeta like how goku's ssj3 is 4x stronger than his ssj2 transformation.
@Shaikh Mustafa Salman Ssj2 doesn't waste stamina like ssj3 does. Majin vegeta's ssj3 should waste stamina like ssj3 goku's does.
@Shaikh Mustafa Salman goku was handling ssj2 as much as vegeta. There was no mention of less stamina drain between both of them.
Shaikh Mustafa Salman
No Vegeta would be either a little weaker or equal
Props for having Vegeta give up; I feel like it's often forgotten that Vegeta himself suggests that he'd do exactly that if he knew about Goku's SSJ3.
In the ultimate battle 22 game vegeta fights on
The only ppl who think Vegeta would give up are fanboys that hate Vegeta so much for reason and love implying this headcannon that Goku would disrespect and hate on Vegeta when Goku respects Vegeta a lot
@@aeida6140 well he gave up against perfect cell when he let him transform so its safe to say that he would give up against ssj3 goku because of the power difference and that it hurt his pirde
video games from anime arent canon and therefore are irrelevant @@diocletian607
@@aeida6140 you are the one who dont understand. Vegeta did gave up once he know his opponent is way beyond his limit. He gave up againts Freeza on namek after even with a zenkai boost he cant touch him. He gave up againts Perfect Cell after cell eat his final flash and still came out laughing. He gave up againts beerus after even with rage boost he cant do much to beerus.
He only pushing thru and not give up when he know that his opponent is still within reach if they manage to pull out some tricks (fusion, spirit bomb, etc).
Look, i love that man vegeta, his characters is the most interesting in the series. Heck, i'm pretty sure there's atleast 3 vegeta motivation talk in my workout playlist, he's just so damn inspirational. But even as a fan i know that vegeta have and will surrender if its a fight beyond his and everyone limit, he always let others more capable (mostly goku) to handle the fight he cant instead of throwing away his life stupidly.
“The only changes are gohan not achieving ultimate and potara”
Good buu: am I a joke to you.
Gotenks: Am i a joke to you?
Any Buu: Am i a joke to you?
No beerus rage
Old Kai: “I must be a joke if I’m forgotten”
Vegito: am i a joke to you?
What if cell accidentally made a good cell jr
Cell would’ve used too much energy on that Cell Jr
@@undercoverslut7677 lol a bot
What? Like “good” morally? That’s interesting.
CellJRs are not "bad". They were not killed by Gohan, they regenerated and were tamed by C17 to protect his island. Krillin even says that's how c17 became this strong.
(check out the bonus chapter in DBS manga volume 8)
Goku new son 😂😂
What if vegeta trained with supreme kai after the buu saga
Blackscape can I stop?
This showed how much Goku cared about Vegeta’s pride. He even said, and I quote, “we’re still completely even..” Damn..
Carthu might wanna watch DBZ and DBS again, because peace, friendship, love, and trust wasn’t the thing that made Goku so strong
In the Buu sage Vegeta said he used to think it was those attributes that pushes Goku to be so strong and found himself with loved ones and his power remaining the same
Vegeta said it was Goku testing the limits of his abilities and pushing himself beyond those limits to become even stronger
In DBS Whis told Vegeta if he learned energy control Vegeta wouldn’t be behind Goku as well as him needing to relax once in a while
Vegeta pushes himself harder than Goku but his methods are an overkill. That’s the reason why Vegeta kept falling behind Goku and not these attributes Carthu mentioned here
What If Goku Black Was Never Sent Back To Trunks' Timeline
he would get **hakai** by beerus ^_^
Godzilla King Of The Kaiju that actually would be good one
@@KoolAidDaOG I know right? Carthu can do that one
Trunk would be a happy chap with mum Bulma still alive.
@Pinkel Wurst LOOOOOOOOOL LMFAO
(sh*t i accidentally sh*t my pants XDDD!!)
That ending is so wholesome and i love it
I think going 3 at that point would just break vegeta mentally, in a way that wouldn't be repaired by the next arc. If anything, his development would regress from this if goku went all out then.
Yeah it definitely would I don't think vegeta would turn more evil from it I think it would break his fighting spirit to where he's has no interest in fighting anymore and will just focus on being a family man
@@halftime814 Dude was more embarrassed that Golu held back than going all out this is just more fan headcannon hate towards Vegeta he isnt one to give up HE LOVES SEEING PPL GO ALL OUT which is why he gave CELL A CHANCE TO POWER UP
Dude was more embarrassed that Golu held back than going all out this is just more fan headcannon hate towards Vegeta he isnt one to give up HE LOVES SEEING PPL GO ALL OUT which is why he gave CELL A CHANCE TO POWER UP
@@aeida6140
He understands Goku spare him because he is turning good.
@@aeida6140 he gave up against perfect cell 😂
This is hands down when of my favorite what if scenarios. Major props to you! You've also earned a new subscriber.
Gohan might still get Ultimate. Maybe Supreme Kai will decide to have Gohan train with the Z-Sword and become stronger as a sort of reward for helping finish the Buu threat as well as thinking that Gohan earned the privilege to try and free the sword. Goku would probably visit and meddle like he does and the events play out as normal.
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You can literally just reference the original "you are number one" speech
"But you never fought to kill or even to win. Only to test yourself and become the strongest you could possibly be"
"How can a saiyan fight with such power and at the same time be so gentle!?"
"I see it now, I fought to push down others, you only fight to push yourself!"
Thank you DevilArtemis. This channel is awesome! You just got a new sub and you didn't even have to go to Blimpies 😂
Great content man. I'm gonna watch the one about Future Gohan now I'm so excited!
Akira Toriyama thought of SSJ3 some time after this part of the story. It was always the intent for their power to be equal after the Majin boost.
Exactly, there shouldn't be an if about it since concept didn’t exist back then
Doesn't matter, since timeline wise Goku had the SSJ3 power in the bag even during the fight.
@@AbelDuviant it does matter since the author could not write that for the majin vegeta fight.
@@aeida6140 Doesn't matter, as soon as Toriyama wrote it into lore, it became canonically established Goku was holding back ssj3 that entire fight.
@@aeida6140 still veggie takes the L since he needed a power boost to even be equal to goku
Vegeta is completely different right now. I can see him going to yard ray immediately, or maybe going to train with the kaioshin. I’m imagining a vegeta who mastered yardratian ki manipulation techniques and has the ultimate form, I think it fits his character here well. And that ofc changes super a lot.
i want a part 2, i generally wanna know what vegeta is thinking after this
hed likely be terrifed of the power increase
You should make a part 2 talking about the Next Generation and how they grew in power to take over goku
@@undercoverslut7677 no
@@undercoverslut7677 Lol Meet the buu's Lmao
Poor Vegeta lol
Honestly, I think the raw power expelled by transforming into SS3 would be enough to wake Buu up. It was far less controlled than SS2, and leaks ki as a feature. Its very likely just transforming into it, even for a split second, was too risky for Goku to consider. Especially since he barely had any training with it prior.
@@bubbamaster3116 nah lore says Majin Vegeta and Goku at SSJ2 were even
@@bubbamaster3116 lol what, you must be trolling
@@bubbamaster3116 ....He was able to do that because Goku turned his back to him to take out a senzu bean after Vegeta agreed that they should go take care of Buu. Did you even check the real fight? "Fanboyism" doesnt change facts.
@@bubbamaster3116 Stated to be even. Shown to be even. Goku lets his guard down, as he's been shown to do throughout the series, and is knocked out by a sneak attack. And that makes you think SSJ2 Majin Vegeta was stronger than SSJ3 Goku?
Didn't that same SSJ2 Vegeta get whooped by Buu, and then SSJ3 Goku was so strong he was fucking with Buu? Did you pay attention to the story?
Lmao someone is mad in comment
What if trunks learned of new namek after the cell games
Wait is new Namek in a different location
@@Deathmare235 Y e h
I’m happy you did this, though it wouldn’t have been as fun, you’re version of the story would’ve had great character development for Goku, Gohan, and especially vegeta, Goku would have a new goal of training the next generation of fighters which would make him a better family man than he already is and he would have a greater desire to train knowing threat Can appear regardless of his presence, Gohan would shed his arrogance way before he does in Super and would get back to training before the TOP, and Vegeta would get over his hatred of Goku sooner and be his own person
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Do you remember the scene in DBS anime where Goku was sparing with future Trunks? Both went SSj2 and were equall. Then Goku went SSj3 and literally oneshoted Trunks. Thats how the fight will look between SSj3 Goku and SSj2 Majin Vegeta.
I’d love to see this storyline continue
I like that quote, 2:05 “a test of skill, not power.” A lot of time people beat each other because of power cliffing and hax, but not by skills.
That’s completely understandable to be frustrated at that fact
So now they're going to be doomed because there's no Majin Buu to help with Moro? 😔
Also, two things, Vegeta could have gone either way. he could have calmed down or he could have gone bonkers and tried to blow up the planet(like last time, who knows what that demon magic in him) or just fought Goku until Goku killed him, and Goku was trying to keep his time from being used up since he knew that if Majin Buu did get loose he'd have to fight. Isn't like Goku could have killed Vegeta in one punch as a Super Saiyan 3. Also, pretty sure that's not how Deborahs spit magic works, if it did, it would like turn his jaws and lips to Stone. Plus when he dies the stone thing where is off. Other than that excellent 👌 work.
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I always thought it made more sense that SS3 was just incomplete like SSG1.5 was when Trunks used it. He was as strong as SS2 but didn't have the speed. SS3 mastered shouldn't have the energy problems
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Majin Vegeta couldn’t beat Fat Buu. Goku states he could in his SS3 form, and he had no reason to lie. That’s about it, chief.
EDIT: I guess I should have watch the video before commenting. Great work, I wasn’t expecting it to go this direction
And for that same reason he wouldn't accept resurrection, since he wanted the new generation to be earth's guardian, he didn't kill fat buu when he had the chance even after it killed Vegeta and (he thought) Gohan.
@OffendRF He literally battled Kid Buu and manhandled Majin Buu even while avoiding fighting him seriously and killing him.
What makes you think that Goku is wrong and that he isn't actually stronger than Majin Buu as a super saiyan 3?
@OffendRF What? In the manga piccolo explicitly states that Base Super Buu is far more powerful in every way compared to Fat buu. Goku estimated that Pre-RosaT Super Saiyan Gotenks could defeat Fat buu, which puts him in the same class as Super Saiyan 3 Goku. Even if we foolishly ignore how much stronger they get whilst training in the Room of Spirit and Time, they're still as a Super Saiyan 3 8 times stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku, and it took that to match and slightly overpower super buu. Additionally, Goku's only lost to kid buu due to his regeneration and the stamina drain caused by using Super Saiyan 3 with a living body, He also stated he wanted to give vegeta a turn, but by the time he realized vegeta was no match for buu, he had already run out of ki. In this respect I agree that he underestimated kid buu to some extent.
@@RayTRX8
We have no way of knowing if Gotenks (Super Saiyan) could actually beat Innocent Buu. Goku had no real idea strong he would be. He was simply putting his faith in the younger generation, because he felt he was dead and couldn’t be coming back to the Real World to bail them out all the time. All we know is Base Gotenks got slapped by Fat Buu, and he didn’t last nearly as long as Majin Vegeta, only surviving because he fled. So it’s pretty safe to assume Majin Vegeta > Base Gotenks. That’s the most we can speculate.
Gotenks has no feats to concretely prove that he’s even a little stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku, let alone an absurd 8 TIMES stronger. That’s ridiculous.
@@heroinvrxther5826 dude. Ssj3 gotenks was so strong he beat super buu to a pulp. Keep in mind that base gotenks after hbtc is far stronger than the one before hbtc. Just him using ssj1 is already almost as strong as ssj3 goku because he clearly handled normal super buu who is way stronger than fat buu to almost a standstill. Meanwhile his ssj3 form completely dominates super buu who already gained even more power by absorbing everyone outside of hbtc (the likes of krillin, yamcha, 18, etc). Saying he has no feats to prove that he's stronger than normal ssj3 goku is proposterous.
I really want another part. Vegeta having that time to reflect would mean he probably has a lead on Goku sometimes with forms and stuff
Gohan: I Wonder What Dad's Talking About On Namek
*Meanwhile On Namek*
Generic Namekian: So What Your Saying Is... You Want Us To Revive You Cause Your Technically Dead Even Though Your In-Front Of Us?
Goku: Ya Huh!
Generic Namekian: *Breaths And Sighs* k
Lol
Not harping on your video, I just have some thoughts on the series in general. SSJ3 was not thought of at that point, Vegeta sensed SSJ2 in the battle against Yakon, the series was supposed to end(again) at Vegeta's sacrifice. Goku's time runs out unconscious and Vegeta dead. After that they introduced a whole host of concepts, fusion, ssj3, Z sword, unlocking Gohan's potential(again) and all different forms of buu, all accepted as cannon today. Not to mention some very suspect story telling/dialog inside buu. But the worst offender is to end the series with a spirit bomb... Didn't work on Frieza, but it kills buu. No resolution, I know they wanted to keep it open for a sequel but Super isn't exactly a sequel either. Super takes the concepts and runs off into the Kelvin timeline so to speak. And we don't talk about GT.
Awww yeah! Vegeta finally understands about love❤️ and peace🙂
If only he hadn't killed 10,000 people in the arena, so peaceful 😏
Who would win? Who’s the main character? There’s your answer.
Food wars ehemmm
Bruh wot do u expect majin vegeta is only equal to ssj2 goku and ssj3 would take out majin vegeta in secs
ssj blose goku Yeah, makes you wonder what was the point of this video when the answer is so blatantly obvious. Hell if Goku were going all out in his SSJ2 form at the time he’d likely win anyway.
@@riotron1026 true
I am here because of devilartemis and what would happen
You need to make more parts showing the change in Vegeta and how it affects his power and growth. Maybe he surpasses Goku with his newfound sense of being. Maybe he doesn't. Please, consider doing more my man.
His pronunciation of Dabura is making me cringe every time 😂
Javier Mayorga lmao I was literally thinking the same thing and was looking in the comments to see if someone else agreed 🤣
It pronounced as Da-Bo-rah!!! Same here.... 🤪
Deborah
Y'all are the cringey ones because that how they call it in the Japanese dub
@@kazeguy8869 pretty much. You can tell the dub only fans
“What makes him grow differently than Goku?”
Toriyama’s favor.
You forget goku's been the main character and the show started when hevwas a 5 year old right? Vegeta didn't come in until 20 years into the show as a super villian who's blown up planets and wants to destroy earth. People act like vegeta's the main character. The only reason he's still relevant is because bulma boinked him and popped out trunks.
@3rd Way i agree. I like and dislike vegeta's character. He was evil and no better than freiza just alot weaker hence why he had to backstab and sneak behind his back. He deserved to get killed by frieza.Goku made vegeta and changed him. Goku is 70% vegeta's motivation to get stronger and 30% to protect his family and the earth which is sad. This nonsense of "vegeta deserves to be the strongest" is bullshit
Vegeta has more poetic moments that feel fitting for a win. He didn’t have one with Frieza but when trunks died that would have been a good one for him, and when he did his final explosion would have been a good one for buu. Gohan had a good w with Cell, but Goku’s w with buu felt undeserved like there was no emotion there at all.
I wouldn’t have a problem if Toriyama didn’t set up situations where it would be awesome if Vegeta won, but then turn around and go “lol nah I mean it looked cool right but he just didn’t do enough damage lol” like just don’t give him the situation then
Also speaking from a “What should have happened” standpoint it was dumb for Vegeta to let cell power up and he should have killed him instead of letting him do that
I honestly think this would be similar to what happened with Frieza. Vegeta would have a full breakdown and lose the will to fight
Lol I'm about to debunk this before I watch this. When Vegeta came back to life he yelled at Goku for holding back on him having ss3. He said out his mouth he had him thinking he was stronger than him.
Lol at least watch the video first 😅
What if dabura was sent to other world like in the filler
Akira has been harsh enough with Vegeta...
His little saiyan pride would have broken into tiny pieces, and so would have our hearts :'(
So thank you Akira :,)
*"I am No warrior,I will never fight again"* - Sequel
Dang, I didn't realize how old this video is, and i was going to say that you should still have had S. Kai take Gohan to train with the Z sword, because he saw the potential in him and wanted to reward him with special Kai training! And of course, Goku BEGS to go as well, so they spend a few weeks/months there training, aaaaaannndddd still break the sword, get the ultimate power for Gohan (offered to Goku, but he declines, doesn't want free power). And Gohan gains a new respect for continued training. Maybe even Goten gets ultimate upgrade! (and he could ACTUALLY be relevant to the story for once....)
Goku:*goes ssj3*
Majin Vegeta:*ass whooped*
Vegeta: thank you for giving me respect by using your full power and i apologize for my actions. Lets go fight majin buu together and avoid more bloodshed
No man Majin Vegeta can't fight ssj Goku because he was busy crying about how weak he was compare to ssj3
Goku has teachers who taught him how to train smart instead of hard
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Would have been super interesting to see goku go ssj3 and vegeta work out how to fight and beat him even in a lesser form.
"What makes Goku grow differently then Vegeta?"
*Cough Cough* Plot armor *Cough Cough*
The fact that Vegeta was unwilling to let a Master help Him get stronger until Super unlike Goku.
Well probably not surpass but at least be closer to Him in terms of power most likely be an equal.
Scorpio Bradley 🤣 exactly Vegeta used to rely on zenkai boost to get stronger while Goku actually trained. However Vegeta fanboys don’t wanna acknowledge that.
He's TALENTED
@@CarpetFootball you wanna talk about training Vegeta has trained about every day of his life. Even as a kid he would train non stop. Vegeta is the best Character in Dragon Ball Z and Super. Goku is just a dumbass that has plot armor even thou Vegeta is the most Popular Character in Dragon Ball Z and Super. Vegeta also had alot tougher life growing up.
Always thought Buu was fed by ki, which was another reason Goku didn't transform. Maybe the ki expenditure in SS3 would have been more than having a long fight with two SS2-levels.
Boo was fed Goku's ki that Vegeta took in the form of damage.
SSJ 3 was so sick
think he would have beat Vegeta in 1 minute
Of screen time maybe.
alt title:what if goku didnt give a single fuck about vegeta feelings
There's a major change in in Battle of God's. No pudding incident.
Love your stories man!
Thank you so much for all your content this and new
Alternative title: What if Goku gave Vegeta depression
He still has to yell for a while to go ss3
anime only, the ssj3 transformation is way faster in the manga, similar to how Cell instantly exploded in the manga on King Kai’s planet.
Vegeta would let him transform
Sniper K1ng
Not true, in the manga it took a few seconds at most
He actually doesn’t, he was just stalling when he did that.
I would love to see a part 2 of this what if
I just realized...
"Dabura"
Abra Cadabra... Ca- *Dabura* cause, you know, Babidi's a wizard and stuff
lol
just watch goku vs trunks from DBS: they're pretty much the same as ssj2, then goku goes ssj3 and just slaps trunks to the ground
Carthu's opening animation looks so much like the Shintani style, it's kinda crazy, just noticed it now tbh
0:01 I wouldn't technally call it controversial.
Vegeta sacrificing himself was a huge part of his character development. Without that he has yet to do a selfless act. His relationship with his family and Goku would not be the same in the future.
I think the kioken makes Goku different. It puts a strain on his body and that gives a significant boost when he heals.
Can you do a continuation of this timeline what if
Goku did the right thing by destroying Vegeta’s pride to teach him the final lesson. Get stronger for love and peace not blood and rivalry.
He would give up like he did when he found out how powerful frieza and broly wasl lol
And man oh man did he get truly depressed vs Freezer and Broly.
Especially vs Broly, it was crazy lol
Goku going Super Saiyan 3 at that moment and after what he did, the desperation, Majin power etc would be rough on the story and even more on Vegeta
Well a couple scenarios could happen. 1. Goku beats Vegeta quickly to get back to the rest. 2. Goku transformation actually speeds up the Buu resurrection because of the expended energy it takes to just transform back then. If Buu is brought out earlier while Goku has expanded more energy by going Super Saiyan 3 early it could mean a worse ending for everyone as the possibility of Goku not getting time to teach fusion. Though as in said video if they do it quickly it just means a faster and easier end of the Arc. Though this might have negative repercussions in Super.
I still believe the Majin did NOT significantly increase Vegeta's power.
You can believe what you want but it’s flat out STATED that it did
@@CarthusDojo im saying for like Smopovich and Yamu yea cause they could use ki and because extra durable. But Vegeta actually trained to be as strong as he was.
Thats what i meant
vegeta had reached ss2j and surpassed gohan in previous years. this is evidenced by the confidence he shows towards dabura and the reproaches vegeta makes to gohan. so the 2 were in equal form but the difference was the way in which goku trained. having died, his body could endure more difficult or simply unsustainable training from a living person.
@@rodhgaralto that is correct.
But again I'm just saying being a majin didn't increase his power, because he already obtained that power through training to be able to beat Gohan in a tournament to fight Goku.
The only thing that's so weird about it is that he gave up fighting but then heard that Goku was coming back about a month before the tournament started so if he started training that one month, it wouldn't make sense how he got so strong in that little bit amount of time
Yeo Carthu is almost at 100 thousand subs.
it would end up the same way:
goku: I won vegeta, stay down
vegeta: no, I would continue fighti-
goku: **throws senzu bean**
vegeta: oh ok then
Very underrated video, keep it up! Gohan looking at his dad, dead. That he couldn’t go rage ss2, because of what happen last time. #🥬
Trying to be smart guys if Goku did go SSJ3 against majin vegeta not only vegeta will be shocked then majin buu will be revived faster
How? Vegeta at that point wouldn't be able to even land a single blow to do any damage to transfer any energy.
We all know the story, Akira was making up the Buu Saga as he went along. Its the reason why it felt as disjointed as it did compared to every other Dragonball saga that came before it. Having that said, if Goku transformed, I imagine Vegeta wouldn't have quit so easily. He'd be desperate and try and all out attack but Goku would still overwhelm him. Pushed to his limit, Goku would power down from the form, being noticably more tired and would explain to Vegeta the drawback of using the form on his semi-living body. Not wanting a cop-out for a victory, Vegeta would concede and would try to take on Buu alone once again but I believe the result would be much more of the same. However I could see Goku using the last of his time to use Instant Transmission in order to save Gohan and Vegeta while Piccolo and Krillin would escape with Trunks and Goten. With the little time he'd have left, he'd form a plan with Gohan, Goten, Vegeta, Piccolo and Trunks while Krillin would rush off to tell Bulma and the others and from there, who knows?
You know, this may not make the Super arcs all that interesting - *except* for the Moro arc, where Buu is still sealed, and protected in the Kai realm. What would the galactic patrol do? Would they still get Goku and Vegeta? Would Moro take New Namek without interruption? Ofc the arc has to end to go through it all, but once it does, I'd be really interested in seeing what changes there'd be. And with no Buu for the ToP arc, would they immediately think of Frieza? Or would they draft someone else in first? Interesting to consider!
Vegeta: Kakarot! I shall now care as you care! Live as you live! Think as you think - when you think. Train as you train, and eat as you----
FIVE DAYS AND STOMACH PUMPS LATER...
Vegeta: I shall train as you train...
This would have been a much more satisfying ending to the Majin Buu Arc.
Wow, Gohan wouldn't get his Ultimate Form, just realised that
Would he have trained more with Goku being around? May even cracked SSJ3.
@@mlo009 lol no
What if hercule actually defeated Perfect Cell?
I believe another outcome is more possible. Vegeta wouldn't give up. Not according to his character. Yes, SSJ3 would shock him at first and he would praise Goku but seeing the new power of Goku would make him want fight Goku even more than before. And as an excellent tactician he probably would fight defensively trying to find a weak spot of SSJ3. Maybe he would take a beating but Vegeta is extremely resilient. Probably he would drag the fight and this would have a bad outcome for Goku. Vegeta could also turn the tide of battle after the energy demand of SSJ3. Goku would think of this since he didn't mastered SSJ3 by then, and went with the better option, fighting as SSJ2.
Dude, majin vegeta was stomped and treated like a child by fat buu. Goku whooped fat buu and by his own statement could have easily killed him but chose not to for gotenk's sake. Strategy is irrelevent here, power is 4 times in goku's favor, speed is in his favor, and Vegeta would not last long enough for stamina to matter. SS3 would beat vegeta down, plain and simple.
Keep going on with the story.
Now there isn't buu anywere so no Beerus rage, no mystic gohan, no ssjg
Yeah dude! Make another part.