They have no limits. I love the adaptability of the Saiyans. When they are near death and then heal, they come back 10× stronger especially when that opponent is stronger.
You take what this pretty dumbo video says too much for granted. Toriyama was pretty bad at scaling power, so we shouldn't even trust HIM when he states something, since he literally just up and forgets characters left and right. Bardock got his ass handed to him by Dodoria in the original without Dodoria even beating a sweat. 30,000? Dodoria's level is 22,000. So we can safely assume that Bardock's power is about 10,000 MAX
@Christ3like3Nomad And that same ability boosts them slowly while they fight. The stronger their opponent is than them, the greater the effect. IIRC Vegeta even used this on Namek by drawing out a fight he was losing so that he could grow strong enough to win.
These new gens are too soft man fr. I fux with Seth cuz ya can tell he was lil bad ass white kid lmaoo. Business corps. Made everything/body soft to control the shit we luv man.
@@siphezulu5119 her power level is 12, which is well above average human level to compare, farmer with shotgun’s PL is 5, which raditz considered tough for a human
It might had been localizers' filler but that was unironically much closer to the truth than most fans even suspect. Let's not forget that Goku after having the received the best training Earth (including its GOD) could offer and regardless of the experience and multiple zenkais he received during his adventures by far weaker than even Raditz when they met and his powerless was significantly lower than average Saiyan's. Goku's main strength is his adaptability, ability to easily soak techniques from teachers and opponents and overall tactical GENIUS in combat. It might be easily to dismiss Goku as an idiotic buffoon but people tend to forget he is a battle savant with LITERAL BRAIN DAMAGE (that Bardock had not). Bardock was probably the closest to a "scientist" a Saiyan could get, who, as indicated in the OG OVA, could come up with maneuvers, techniques and tactics that could give him an edge even against fighters with significantly higher powerlevels, and, headcannony as it might be, potentially could have even learnt to hide his powerlevel. .
@@siphezulu5119 Did you see how Bulma slapped Goku off his feet in Battle of Gods? Goku even cowered in fear when Vegeta goaded her into giving him more of her signature slaps. And for Vegeta to call them signature slaps must mean he suffered them himself and for him to use it as a threat against Goku must mean it is a force to be reckoned with. The average human power level is between 5 and 10, with exceptionally skilled humans such as Master Roshi, Krillin or Nam having power levels over that of 100. Bulma has 12 so even if she isn’t a martial artist she’s still above average humans. When you can make a guy who can hold his own against Beerus fear you slapping him, you are clearly not below the average.
Bardock is secretly very powerful because he gets a lot of zenkai boosts. In the original Bardock movie the saiyans in the bar laugh at him "look Bardock nearly died again! LULLUL" this just proves that he is always on the razors edge in a battle and going all out. In that movie he gets a zenkai boost when he fights Dodoria and his gang but barely escapes with his life. Most saiyans don't take damage, seek to spar with each other, or seem to realize they can have zenkai boosts (Vegeta gets it in the Namek Series). They prefer to strike when victory is assured, turn into their Ozaru form, and easily brutalize entire planets. Bardock's squad is the exception with even Frieza's henchmen saying they took down several planets that even their "elites" were having difficulty with. This ironically could've been the last straw in Frieza's mind making him call for them to gather on Planet Vegeta and betraying them all collectively. Frieza went as far as sending his third in command and a gang of "elites" to personally take out Bardock and his squad further driving the issue Bardock and gang were personally getting "too strong", becoming a threat, and liable to see the return to Planet Vegeta as a trap. His crew did receive, laugh at, and disregard the order to return to Vegeta. Bardock's crew would've survived had his squad not been sneak attacked and killed by assassin elites after a battle without Bardock around. Bardock too could've survived if he hadn't sought revenge for his fallen comrades. TLDR: Bardock is that guy. Frieza knew it and took every action to narrowly eliminate a huge threat to his reign.
Wrong. Z Bardock literally got one shotted by a half-dead fish man. His teammate then kills the fish guy with a generic ki blast. This proves Bardock was the weakest member of his team. Bardock then struggled against 4 generic Frieza army guys and only lands killing blows on 2 of them. Keep in mind, these Frieza guys are WEAKER than Namekians with power levels of only 3000. He then gets one shotted again by Dodoria, then at the end gets one shotted by Frieza. Z Bardock was a weakling.
It was claws in the back of the neck at the base of the skull, injecting the future sight ability, and a sneak attack at that. Didn't struggle against those 4 dudes until the visions started... and still won. Got hit by didoria, survived and immediately went to planet Vegeta half dead, flew into space ( saiyans can't breathe in outer space, that's why frieza was blowing up namek) and then stomped the frieza army before yeah, getting one shotted by base form frieza. Dude was an absolute beast.
@@codyfaile535 Wrong on all accounts. Bardock literally could not dodge a one-shot attack from a half-dead fish man that then got one-shotted by a generic ki blast. Bardock then has to resort to trickery against 4 generic Freiza soldiers with power levels well under 3k each and only mercs two of them. One-shotted by Dodoria, only survived cuz of his team's bodies shielded him. Did not go to space, went to the upper atmosphere, did not defeat a single Frieza soldier, just ran past them all, then tried to stop a planet-destroying attack with a little ki ball and got one-shotted again. 100% weakling.
You didn't watch the movie. The planet was a circle in the background. Idk if you've ever seen a picture of a whole planet, but it's always taken out in space bc you can't get the whole planet in the pic otherwise. Professional fighters always try to trick their opponents (Muhammad Ali???) And I'm not sure if you have ever noticed, but he got dog piled and blew them off just to get dog piled again. And still reached frieza. In fact, he was the first one to get hit by the planet killer or whatever. And why does it matter to you so much? It seems like you genuinely dislike the character.
The thing is there is no way in the world gas was near the ginyu force. In the bardock special one of the soldiers tells bardock that he is catching up to king vegeta ergo 18000, and that if king vegeta finds out, he will kill him and that's close to when frieza destroys their planet. So they probably were fighting at over 10000 range at most, there is no way king vegeta would of let bardock stay alive if he was that much more stronger than him that early in the story and it happens way before frieza destroys them, so if that is the case I would argue toyotoro didn't read and watch enough.
@HayatoByakurai no where near that much. I don't know of any other race that has a similar gene to the zenkai outside of unlocked potentials and fusion. Gas even had to rely on a wish to grow substantially stronger.
It's a little funny that people get mad at the whole bardock wish thing at the end and will claim that it gave goku plot armor throughout og db and dbz which could be somewhat true but it's like everyone completely forgets that even with this "wish" bardock made. Goku in the original timeline (Future Trunks timeline) still dies. Raditz his other son also still dies and never returns. Goku dies also against piccolo and cell.. the wish just seems to be like bardock just having like a "good father moment" for wishing his sons well while most saiyan's don't really care for their offspring.
Good time for them is like tough fight not curvestomping everyone so if anything, he made targets from them and probably even linked Gokus and Freezas fate at this instance. I still prefer OG one, kinda simple story about one genocide bastard bashing with another one. It fit's sayians. This kinda doesn't but that's my preferences and nothing more.
@@piotrkarp9562 but he wished both of his sons to thrive and one didn’t 💀 wishes don’t have bias. It’s okay to like original bardock more. So do I, I like how even though he was a little kinder than your average saiyan he was still a saiyan at the end of the day. This version of bardock is almost completely benevolent. Which could still be a good story to tell as maybe bardocks and gokus ancestors were the original super saiyan god (a kind hearted saiyan not the super saiyan as I believe those were 2 different saiyans I could be wrong though) which could explain the whole instinct abilities bardock goku and gohan seem to have
@@acidicalien6477 To "thrive" in general has a lot of meanings, the translation or toyotaro in general probably intentionally used that word exactly to leave edge for these kinds of interpretations coming from generally not that great reading comprehension. Thriving can mean longetivity, thriving can mean sustainability, things that both raditz and goku have reached by the start of z, we could assume that the wish probably had no more effect after raditz was recruited by vegeta in the first place and the moment goku could have sustainable life once he landed on earth and gohan found him. To "thrive" in the realest sense would be to have a life that is generally not all that bad, aside from being slandered, raditz had foot to eat, power at his disposal compared to weaker species, and the ability to conquer planets, goku on the other hand had a literal father figure that would feed him, and a whole forest that he could get food from. Bardock did in fact have his wish fulfilled, it's kind of ignorant to assume that "thriving" would be the same as being sucessful, if it was word for word sucessful, I'd have a hard time believing that the wish wasn't BS, but seeing as the literal dictonary has a ton of different meanings for the word, I'd say it's best to take it as something that fits the situation, not something that you think thriving should be. But no worries at the end of it all, it is in fact a pretty common mistake for people to think that they know a word only to be baffled by the fact that it has a lot more meanings than the one that they took for granted.
@@guywithnohouse.6808 I'm confused on if you even read my comment. The overarching gist of my comment was disagreeing with the fact that people believe that bardock gave goku plot armor and that he was destined to succeed since the wish. Very strange that you nit-picked one single word I used and tried to insinuate that I didn't know the full definition of the word 😂. Thrive in the most literal sense is to succeed. "What does been thriving mean? growing, developing, or being successful" barely scraping by day to day is not "Thriving" or as you said "A life not that bad". Sustainability and Longevity are typically common things that go along with Thriving but do not directly correlate. You can have longevity while barely making it day to day as long as it is for a extended time. Something being sustainable does not also correlate to something beneficial as it would depend on what is being sustained. For example sustained is also interchangeable with a negative such as sustaining damage. You tried so hard to correct me/play my intelligence that you made yourself sound ignorant while claiming that I was, then proceeding to condescendingly call out other readers by saying "its a common mistake for people" Lose the ego bro.
@@guywithnohouse.6808 Raditz was treated like dirt nearly his entire life not only by other saiyans like nappa and vegeta but also almost all of the freiza force treated them like dogs with vegeta getting a little more acknowledgement from freiza. Saying raditz was "Thriving" while being LITERALLY enslaved is just comedic.
I feel like Bardock just enjoys fighting and getting stronger, so he refuses to tell anyone about his true power and continues to stay as a low-class as it allows him to keeping doing what he likes. (kinda like a Garp situation)
Not true. Saiyan ranks are determined at birth and last their entire lives. Also, Z Bardock was a walking that got one shotted 3 times in his own TV special. 🤣🤣
It would've been a really cool moment BUT even with that boost it would mean less than nothing against frieza at that time and he still would've died the same death maybe some push back but he would still die the same and give frieza one hell of an ego boost from killing a super saiyan.
Those guys are still going? I thought Superman beating Goku was bad. Then they did Kirby beating Buu. Then Gaara losing to Toph was the last straw. Those guys are fucking morons.
I'd theorize that Bardock was a former high ranked Sayian (possibly around the time of Turles or Raditz's youth), before his growing defiance or paranoia of Frieza's deception resulted in his demotion to the lower ranks (when Goku was conceived or born).
@@JtheBOSS sorry, IMO it's headcanon, Turles the angry firstborn that was disowned for rebellion, maybe why Bardock was demoted to avoid banishment (guilt by association), too valuable to kill, too risky to banish, so King Vegeta settled to demote Bardock to maintain control of the number Sayians Bardock has to command, dunno one theory of many. Also why; to have had so many direct offspring, Bardock must've been really high on the Sayian hierarchy. Since the subject of biological mothers seem so rare, Sayian reproduction may have been limited to surrogacy and artificial wombs (the capsules). but "reproductive rights" were given only to higher ranks, the more offspring per warrior is the goal. which makes it odd to question why there's so few female Saiyans, was it Freiza's method of population control?
Saiyans are born into a caste system. Their power level at birth determines their rank and it lasts their entire life. Vegeta and his dad were elietes. Nappa, Raditz and 8 others were mid level fighters. Bardock and every other Saiyan were considered low level warriors.
The whole thing about Goku is that his philosophy is “Anybody can become stronger”. And Bardock did not have a philosophy but was in so many skirmishes that his raw power naturally increases.
I know that in Orginal Bardock would not show strength because the idea running around was that if there was a power strong enough to compete with King Vegeta they will be eliminated.
@Suryus94 Even in saiyan saga Vegeta knew about Ki suppression techniques. So the idea he developed a ki suppression makes sense and is in line with what we see.
I think a cool spin off show would be about the Saiyans before the destruction of planet Vegeta. Stories about all their conquests and struggles under Frieza and Cold's rule. Plus it would be nice to actually be able to gauge how powerful characters are in meaningful ways lmao, DBS is on such a ridiculous scale of power now it's like stacking infinities.
I think the granola arc really fleshed out minus bardocks character and gave us some nice lore and new characters. I think the arc really Added to the lore of the series in a positive way .
Only canon bardock is Z bardock. Super is a non canon what if filler for the 10 year time skip. None of it is ever referenced during the end of Z or at any point in the original canon
@@xsorakazamax7522 Wrong. The anime and manga are two separate canons and Super happens in both of them. The Bardock TV special only fits in with the Online/Heroes/Xenoverse continuity.
Bardock was already tired from fighting (if I remember correctly) and it wasn’t even a full fight, I think he just got blasted off Also Father if Goku (sadly) isn’t main continuity canon
Regarding the "state other than Great Ape", I think they may have referenced it in DBZ Kakarot's Bardock DLC. It uses Z Bardock, but they give him a transformation that is kinda similar called "Spirit of the Warrior Race". And it is JUST an aura, no change at all in terms of hair.
The whole "Saiyans resisting teleportation" thing I think is a reach. I think it's more an aspect of how the dragons teleport people than some special thing only Saiyans can do that applies to all forms of teleporting. Keep in mind, when Vegeta was brought back to life on Namek, and absolutely would have stayed if he had the option. I think sometimes you're just given an option, and sometimes you aren't.
I don't think it holds much water, but I've seen this theory that Bardock had an older brother, mainly because of his hairdo, since Goku and Goten have the same hairstyle and they were both the younger siblings.
Or he could be the older sibling think about it, bardocks father could have looked different from bardock which could mean he’s the older sibling but then also I get your point. When gohan was younger around time chamber training time, he honestly had some resemblance to raditz with the long hair in the back. So yeah either way it’s likely bardock has a brother wether younger or older
Thank yall for creating this man fr. Bardock’s been my fav besides Goku. He resembles that badass gut instinct feeling. That UMMPHH that the world needs rn cuz we got weak ass animes rn and we need more Bardock attitude in the world rn.
Interesting fact that becomes more believable after watching this: someone said that in Bardock's Theme song "Solid State Scouter". It's more meant to reference Bardocks own power level and NOT frieza's other soldiers, which makes more and more sense the more we look into it. Sure, at first it reads in the 3-4 digits, but when it gets to 5 digit numbers it feels more like a single rising power level than just different levels. And if we consider everything about this video true (and the fact that Zenkais are inconsistent) then it isn't hard to believe that when he gets to frieza, his power level is the power level that is heard before the "530,000" at the end of Solid State Scouter, which is 220,000. Zarbon is 30,000 (at max), Dodoria is at 25,000. and the Ginyu Force wasn't there. So that means that it couldn't have been anyone elses power level. meaning Bardock was the strongest Saiyan alive before he died.
I like to think that Bardock's power level before death was never officially measured as it never says how the Saiyan army goes about recording their power levels. Plus Bardock's scouter keeps getting destroyed my headcanon is that the scouters record their users current power level and upload it when they return from a mission. Other possibility is that Bardock since he knows some people can supress their power can likely do so to an extent. That would explain why Gash doubts him being low class once he sees how strong he is despite Bardock officially being ranked low class.
If I remember correctly, Raditz was stated to be powerful at birth but he had a fear of death therefore never pushed himself too hard. Its possible that Raditz could have achieved similar heights as goku if he hadnt feared death and pushing himself. Its likely Raditz hadnt experienced much zenkai boosts due to nothing allowing himself to be pushed to a near death state. The one thing Im curious about is it possible all sayians can achieve super sayian however all at different levels of power and peak ability. It would be weird to think that all sayians can basically achieve levels beyond super sayian 3. Im also curious if super sayian god is something that would vary in power for the sayian in question.
Goku and Vegeta both died and came back to life before reaching Super Saiyan and Broly is a mutant. Before he died on Namek, Vegeta in base and without his tail had a power level of around 2M and woulda been the strongest saiyan on record for at least the last 3 generations not including Goku and Broly(he wasn’t on record😂) and definitely since before something like scouters were invented. So if the legend is true and it’s a once every thousand years or about 10 generations, Goku Vegeta and Broly all being exceptions, there’s room for one more super saiyan to naturally emerge. Plug n play from that. Without the Namek saga Vegeta isn’t sniffing 2M so this random saiyan would be around 500k. Great Ape would get u to 5M and then Super Saiyan gets u to 250M assuming Base to Great Ape to Super Saiyan is the natural trajectory. From there, it’s easy to imagine a great ape being able to use the graded forms of super saiyan. Those should be nothing to the ape body BUT it probably drives this random saiyan crazy at this point. Assuming this random saiyan keeps his tail lol
I prefer the headcannon that Radditz was actually a badass and just didn't fail, never having been beaten close to death, therefore never receiving a zenkai boost
The reason as to why none of the saiyans achieved ssj is not only a power level thing it is kind of a psychological barrier even goku explains it the Saiyans were mostly fighting for sick pleasure the only saiyan close to getting it was bardock against frieza since he was fighting to protect his home planet and his son
I would speculate that Bardock was only able to defeat gas by tapping into his inner great ape power, just like how Broly did in the 3rd Dragon Ball super movie, becoming wrath broly.
Something about the golden aura and the ascension beyond great ape ssj maybe a false ssj or saya power from the other world tournament makes you think bardock was close to super saiyan
DB Sparking Zero got me back into the Anime again. Was a super big Bardock fan as a kid. I wish the game can give him SSJ1 and SSJ3 just for the fun of it. My man killed chilled that lead frieza to kill the saiyans
The way I see it, Bardock probably reached his peak around 10,000 but never came across anyone that could push him further or a reason to showcase his still untapped potential. Like who exactly could he spar with, the Elites that would likely have him killed out of fear of his power if they just don't outright kill him during a spar or the Frieza Force who'd report everything to Frieza and have him killed before he blows up Planet Vegeta? Life or death situations are like the time he could push himself, especially when it doesn't matter who's watching.
The biggest thing people forget is the Saiyan society split, I reckon these freakishly powerful Saiyans are the remnants of the other Saiyans. You look at them all, they are kind, loving and passionate. Even Vegeta and Bardock have these traits. The weaker Saiyans which we see probably went to one of Frieza's ancestors begging for help only to end subjugated. Unless we know more about that split, we can only speculate. We can ask where the other Saiyans vanished too, did they find a planet that masks life, which does exist in Dragonball. Seriously unless we get a deep dive into those subjects we can only speculate. Also if they did survive on a planet we would get some interactions from Vegeta.
@@UltrEgoVegeta the people who literally accused him took it back and or forgave him, the rest of the people just bandwagon the hate train, the internet is at its most degen immature stage, and i dont even care to defend seth but gotta be fair
@@hexit7777 lets establish this first, they dont know eachother its just parasocial "connections" Seth never did anything to swag, swag just wants to be a victim and virtue signal, clyde who felt trapped literally forgave seth. Swag quite literally doesnt know why or how he feels, just started whining on keems stream, then deleting memories in his old videos...🤣🤣,him and six leeched off seth and as soon as allegations came they looked the otherway, but thats just my analysis, i still watch their naruto videos as the drama means nothing
I really love the idea that canon Bardok doesn't go Super Saiyan, but instead uses his own raw power state. He's a true, fierce warrior that doesn't care about power levels, but only to defeat his enemies, no matter their strength.
In one of the english dubs of thr bardock episode, one of the soldiers tell him that if king vegeta finds out he is catching up to his power level, that he would kill him.
That's why I think bardock had an elite power level and pretended to be a lower class. I think after bardocks zenkai boost he was stronger than king Vegeta and Prince Vegeta
@GlenDeaton I don't think so, I think towards the end of the planet he by passed king vegeta, but elites are have to conditions 1. There born much stronger and that's analyzed at birth and 2. Elites get stronger zenkais, which is why vegeta got a stronger zenkai when he went ssj first time than goku. Something elite blood that gives better zenkai, it's just goku in the show tended at times to push himself more or was able to train harder because of that gravity machine.
@GlenDeaton it was kinda insinuated. One of the soldiers seemed genuinely concerned that bardock was getting too close to king vegeta and he was injured during that point to so it's hard to say what it really was.
@@AntiWhiteOut that's true but when he fought king chilled he was definitely stronger than king Vegeta but that wasn't canon. Also another soldier said bardock almost died again so bardock has gotten a lot of zenkai boost
3:00 maybe just like in real life societies, social mobility is complicated for saiyans. it could literally be a combo of birthright, battle strength, notable accomplishments, or at the whim of a monarch.
that’s what i was thinking, classes are more like ranks; considering saiyans seem to be more of a military government anyway. yes you are given a class as your birthright, but depending on feats of strength or accomplishments; you _can_ be given a new class. kinda like how shinobi ranks work in naruto (edit: grammatical fixes) (edit 2: continuation) my head canon for bardock never being promoted is because it would look bad on king vegetas part, a lower class saiyan rivaling the power of his. a civil war could break out once saiyans realize the monarchy can be overthrown and all out extinction could happen trying to fill the power vacuum
i liked the original funimation dub of goku telling frieza that he doesn't care about bardock. Goku said "I don't care" after frieza said he looks like bardock. Why should goku care, he didn't know who bardock was and at that point in the story, sayians like vegeta were ruthless and that is all goku knew from what king kai told him.
Maybe his inspiration was from Sarah Connors picture in terminator when Reese in the future looks at the pic of her with red bandanna on & that’s one of the primary themes “Faith is what we make”
We forgot that Heaters had time to train and power up. Even In was caught off guard at first reading thinking how could Bardock trick Gas. While in fact Gas was much, much weaker than he is in DBsuper.
I always thought that because they would send lowvlass to clear non-troublesome planets. They're never challenged and so never get stronger. While stronger at birth saiyans would get training then sent to planets where theyll struggle and as a result, grow or die. A saiyan's picked class at birth is sort of a self-fulling issue because of what they get.
Given the golden aura, it looks like it would be a pseudo transformation into Super Saiyan, sort of a Super Saiyan Omen. If Gas is right and saying it's stronger than a Great Ape, it's most likely somewhere between a 11x-49x multiplier, sitting somewhere in the range between Great Ape and Super Saiyan.
7:44 Let's be fair here. If I use half of my full strength to move something: I really am barely trying. If I use 7/10ths of my power to lift something: I'm trying but not exerting myself very much. It's not linear. There's an enormous gap between trying 90% and trying 100%. The closer you get to 100%, the more painful and tiring it is. So the language of "far from full power" could make sense in that regard. What do I think of Toyotaro? I think he's basically like Toriyama but worse. Toriyama likes to do things because he completely forgets about old concepts and ideas. Toyotaro likes to do things that Toriyama did, forgot about, and then pull more nonsense out of his ass and do it worse.
Better Hypothetical of anti-displacement abilities of Saiyans might be Bardock Easily resisting a Yardrat's Instant Transmission by Touch, but probably not the likes of Whis or Zeno for sure. I like that you mentioned this hack, because it should be noted, that even with Cell's ability use Instant Transmission later, he was not able to resist Goku's when reverted back to Semi-Perfect.
Maybe.. As a low Saiyan, you are in alot more near death situations = power up, for the survivors. As an elite, you have more important missions, others care about the sucess of these missions (more), that means more planning(?), less change of near death situations. Either you die or you are more likely to be fine.
Im guessing that toyotarou kept the non canon power level of 10k for bardock but his saiyan instinct form boosting him into something greater. I think it’s safe to believe that the saiyan instinct bardock surpassed vegeta in saiyan saga and likely dodoria aswell. Its a bit weird to make someone like bardock this powerful tbh
Without context, the chapter title "Bardock VS Gas" makes it sound like Bardock had too much Taco Bell and is in dire need of a trip to the bathroom. XD
In the old Bardock movie, the two scientists that were healing said that they need check Bardock’s power level again so he can be assigned to a new class but that never happens though because he rushes off to planet meat to catch up with his crew.
My buddies and I used to joke that Goku was the Good Goku, Turles was the Evil Goku and Bardock was the Cool Goku. Bardock was basically what if Goku was more Kakarot, The Saiyan Warrior, instead of the Pure of Heart Dummy he is.
If i remember, the real ssj was meant to have black hair but they didnt want to keep coloring it so they left it white, which then became yellow. So Bardock's "instinct" form is the real super saiyan
You know it would of been really cool if right before freiza attack hits he turn super saiyan before dying and the camera showed zarbon scouter picking up a power level scaling past 400k before exploding.
Ive always interpreted the sayian classes as their birth power level. Raditz was a upper class warrior despite being only slightly stronger than a saibaman and his father being a low class warrior. Vegeta was a elite because besides broly he had the highest recorded birth PL. Goku had PL of like 10 or something at birth and despite having the same parents as raditz and demolishing nappa in seconds is still regarded as a low class warrior by Vegeta
I'm guessing what Bardock did was what Goku did when fighting King Piccolo and what Broly did during DBS Broly. He accessed the great ape power in base. So his power level is somewhere in the realm of 10,000, and jumped to somewhere around 100,000 in the latter portion of he fight. The sudden power boost and far superior speed caught his opponent off guard. So even though Gas was still technically stronger, Bardock won the fight.
So I think I may be able to clarify things a little. The way that the class system was set up was very direct. When the saiyan child is birthed their power level is assesed. This initial power level assesment is ment to determine their potential and class is assigned. Family name would play a large part as well. Even if the royal or high class families baby is born with a low class power level they still carry genetics of powerful ancestors. Consider this, Broly was born with a freakishly high power level and it got him and his dad screwed because his potential was insanly high. Somehow though Goku was able to disturb Broly during the baby scenes even though he had a low power level. Here is my theory, imagine Bardok and Goku's true potential power like a lightbulb. Now imagine that this lightbulb mostly stays off but slightly flickers every now and then for just a micro second. Now imagine every type of saiyan form as a color of light. As the saiyan tries to take on a form he/she choses a color of light and the attempts to flicker the light bulb on repeatedly until they can get it to stay on for a span of time. Gohan having access to human adrenaline gives him a advantage in turning on the lightbulbs as you see demonstrated when he busted a hole thru a tree as a infant with no training.
I could say that the heeters were supposed to be Frieza's personal shock troops. Always deployed somewhere. While the likes of Zarbon and Dodoria were directly under Frieza.
Frieza is only scared of Super Saiyans because he sent the first super saiyan back to kill his own ancestor accidentally. Everything bad that happened to Frieza he did to himself.
I think Bardock would have worked his way up to Medium Class from Low, seeing as he was a commander of a small squad. Vegeta and others referring to him as a "Low Class Saiyan" would then be a even deeper dig into Goku's lineage; only reffering to how Kakarot's family was born, not their accomplisments, which would help support Vegeta's realization that a Low Class Saiyan (Goku) surpassed him.
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The fact that even "low level" saiyans were reaching mutant levels of powers is what put the fear of god in Frieza.
Yea even with Beerus ordering Frieza to destroy the saiyans, frieza himself was realizing the power the saiyans could reach.
They have no limits. I love the adaptability of the Saiyans. When they are near death and then heal, they come back 10× stronger especially when that opponent is stronger.
@@THEONLYOBA Retcons don't count
You take what this pretty dumbo video says too much for granted.
Toriyama was pretty bad at scaling power, so we shouldn't even trust HIM when he states something, since he literally just up and forgets characters left and right.
Bardock got his ass handed to him by Dodoria in the original without Dodoria even beating a sweat. 30,000? Dodoria's level is 22,000. So we can safely assume that Bardock's power is about 10,000 MAX
@Christ3like3Nomad
And that same ability boosts them slowly while they fight. The stronger their opponent is than them, the greater the effect. IIRC Vegeta even used this on Namek by drawing out a fight he was losing so that he could grow strong enough to win.
I miss the old thumbnail of
"GOKU CAME FROM THIS MAN'S BALLS"
That thumbnail
These new gens are too soft man fr. I fux with Seth cuz ya can tell he was lil bad ass white kid lmaoo. Business corps. Made everything/body soft to control the shit we luv man.
Came
from this man's balls
@@icegangsta5161goku
Vegeta: “Your father was an average fighter but a brilliant scientist.”
* Proceeds to marry a woman who is an average fighter but brilliant scientist.
Bulma can’t be an average fighter, def below that
@@siphezulu5119 She is constantly fighting vegeta in bed, and from what Im seeing she is not losing
@@siphezulu5119 her power level is 12, which is well above average human level
to compare, farmer with shotgun’s PL is 5, which raditz considered tough for a human
It might had been localizers' filler but that was unironically much closer to the truth than most fans even suspect. Let's not forget that Goku after having the received the best training Earth (including its GOD) could offer and regardless of the experience and multiple zenkais he received during his adventures by far weaker than even Raditz when they met and his powerless was significantly lower than average Saiyan's. Goku's main strength is his adaptability, ability to easily soak techniques from teachers and opponents and overall tactical GENIUS in combat. It might be easily to dismiss Goku as an idiotic buffoon but people tend to forget he is a battle savant with LITERAL BRAIN DAMAGE (that Bardock had not). Bardock was probably the closest to a "scientist" a Saiyan could get, who, as indicated in the OG OVA, could come up with maneuvers, techniques and tactics that could give him an edge even against fighters with significantly higher powerlevels, and, headcannony as it might be, potentially could have even learnt to hide his powerlevel. .
@@siphezulu5119
Did you see how Bulma slapped Goku off his feet in Battle of Gods? Goku even cowered in fear when Vegeta goaded her into giving him more of her signature slaps. And for Vegeta to call them signature slaps must mean he suffered them himself and for him to use it as a threat against Goku must mean it is a force to be reckoned with.
The average human power level is between 5 and 10, with exceptionally skilled humans such as Master Roshi, Krillin or Nam having power levels over that of 100.
Bulma has 12 so even if she isn’t a martial artist she’s still above average humans.
When you can make a guy who can hold his own against Beerus fear you slapping him, you are clearly not below the average.
Goku got his hands from grandpa gohan but he inherited his fighting spirit from bardock
its in reversr
You got that right
Facts
No he didn’t watch Bardock’s movie grandpa Gohan ok but Bardock throws hands with all
Nevermind you’re right Kakarot got his hands from Bardock
Bardock is secretly very powerful because he gets a lot of zenkai boosts. In the original Bardock movie the saiyans in the bar laugh at him "look Bardock nearly died again! LULLUL" this just proves that he is always on the razors edge in a battle and going all out. In that movie he gets a zenkai boost when he fights Dodoria and his gang but barely escapes with his life. Most saiyans don't take damage, seek to spar with each other, or seem to realize they can have zenkai boosts (Vegeta gets it in the Namek Series). They prefer to strike when victory is assured, turn into their Ozaru form, and easily brutalize entire planets.
Bardock's squad is the exception with even Frieza's henchmen saying they took down several planets that even their "elites" were having difficulty with. This ironically could've been the last straw in Frieza's mind making him call for them to gather on Planet Vegeta and betraying them all collectively. Frieza went as far as sending his third in command and a gang of "elites" to personally take out Bardock and his squad further driving the issue Bardock and gang were personally getting "too strong", becoming a threat, and liable to see the return to Planet Vegeta as a trap. His crew did receive, laugh at, and disregard the order to return to Vegeta. Bardock's crew would've survived had his squad not been sneak attacked and killed by assassin elites after a battle without Bardock around. Bardock too could've survived if he hadn't sought revenge for his fallen comrades.
TLDR: Bardock is that guy. Frieza knew it and took every action to narrowly eliminate a huge threat to his reign.
Wrong. Z Bardock literally got one shotted by a half-dead fish man. His teammate then kills the fish guy with a generic ki blast. This proves Bardock was the weakest member of his team. Bardock then struggled against 4 generic Frieza army guys and only lands killing blows on 2 of them. Keep in mind, these Frieza guys are WEAKER than Namekians with power levels of only 3000. He then gets one shotted again by Dodoria, then at the end gets one shotted by Frieza. Z Bardock was a weakling.
It was claws in the back of the neck at the base of the skull, injecting the future sight ability, and a sneak attack at that. Didn't struggle against those 4 dudes until the visions started... and still won. Got hit by didoria, survived and immediately went to planet Vegeta half dead, flew into space ( saiyans can't breathe in outer space, that's why frieza was blowing up namek) and then stomped the frieza army before yeah, getting one shotted by base form frieza. Dude was an absolute beast.
@@codyfaile535 Wrong on all accounts. Bardock literally could not dodge a one-shot attack from a half-dead fish man that then got one-shotted by a generic ki blast. Bardock then has to resort to trickery against 4 generic Freiza soldiers with power levels well under 3k each and only mercs two of them. One-shotted by Dodoria, only survived cuz of his team's bodies shielded him. Did not go to space, went to the upper atmosphere, did not defeat a single Frieza soldier, just ran past them all, then tried to stop a planet-destroying attack with a little ki ball and got one-shotted again. 100% weakling.
You must be trolling. Because you're wrong as fuck. Rewatch the movie
You didn't watch the movie. The planet was a circle in the background. Idk if you've ever seen a picture of a whole planet, but it's always taken out in space bc you can't get the whole planet in the pic otherwise. Professional fighters always try to trick their opponents (Muhammad Ali???) And I'm not sure if you have ever noticed, but he got dog piled and blew them off just to get dog piled again. And still reached frieza. In fact, he was the first one to get hit by the planet killer or whatever. And why does it matter to you so much? It seems like you genuinely dislike the character.
Toyotaro reading the manga constantly is good Imo. As he is in touch with the lore and can write more consistently
The thing is there is no way in the world gas was near the ginyu force. In the bardock special one of the soldiers tells bardock that he is catching up to king vegeta ergo 18000, and that if king vegeta finds out, he will kill him and that's close to when frieza destroys their planet. So they probably were fighting at over 10000 range at most, there is no way king vegeta would of let bardock stay alive if he was that much more stronger than him that early in the story and it happens way before frieza destroys them, so if that is the case I would argue toyotoro didn't read and watch enough.
@@AntiWhiteOutthe special isn't canon
@@AntiWhiteOut Are you aware you're implying Gas didn't get any stronger over the course of over forty years?
@HayatoByakurai no where near that much. I don't know of any other race that has a similar gene to the zenkai outside of unlocked potentials and fusion. Gas even had to rely on a wish to grow substantially stronger.
@zacrackedgamergg1261 there all canon just different continuites, I don't understand how so many fans and long time fans can't figure that out.
It's a little funny that people get mad at the whole bardock wish thing at the end and will claim that it gave goku plot armor throughout og db and dbz which could be somewhat true but it's like everyone completely forgets that even with this "wish" bardock made. Goku in the original timeline (Future Trunks timeline) still dies. Raditz his other son also still dies and never returns. Goku dies also against piccolo and cell.. the wish just seems to be like bardock just having like a "good father moment" for wishing his sons well while most saiyan's don't really care for their offspring.
Good time for them is like tough fight not curvestomping everyone so if anything, he made targets from them and probably even linked Gokus and Freezas fate at this instance. I still prefer OG one, kinda simple story about one genocide bastard bashing with another one. It fit's sayians. This kinda doesn't but that's my preferences and nothing more.
@@piotrkarp9562 but he wished both of his sons to thrive and one didn’t 💀 wishes don’t have bias. It’s okay to like original bardock more. So do I, I like how even though he was a little kinder than your average saiyan he was still a saiyan at the end of the day. This version of bardock is almost completely benevolent. Which could still be a good story to tell as maybe bardocks and gokus ancestors were the original super saiyan god (a kind hearted saiyan not the super saiyan as I believe those were 2 different saiyans I could be wrong though) which could explain the whole instinct abilities bardock goku and gohan seem to have
@@acidicalien6477 To "thrive" in general has a lot of meanings, the translation or toyotaro in general probably intentionally used that word exactly to leave edge for these kinds of interpretations coming from generally not that great reading comprehension.
Thriving can mean longetivity, thriving can mean sustainability, things that both raditz and goku have reached by the start of z, we could assume that the wish probably had no more effect after raditz was recruited by vegeta in the first place and the moment goku could have sustainable life once he landed on earth and gohan found him.
To "thrive" in the realest sense would be to have a life that is generally not all that bad, aside from being slandered, raditz had foot to eat, power at his disposal compared to weaker species, and the ability to conquer planets, goku on the other hand had a literal father figure that would feed him, and a whole forest that he could get food from.
Bardock did in fact have his wish fulfilled, it's kind of ignorant to assume that "thriving" would be the same as being sucessful, if it was word for word sucessful, I'd have a hard time believing that the wish wasn't BS, but seeing as the literal dictonary has a ton of different meanings for the word, I'd say it's best to take it as something that fits the situation, not something that you think thriving should be.
But no worries at the end of it all, it is in fact a pretty common mistake for people to think that they know a word only to be baffled by the fact that it has a lot more meanings than the one that they took for granted.
@@guywithnohouse.6808 I'm confused on if you even read my comment. The overarching gist of my comment was disagreeing with the fact that people believe that bardock gave goku plot armor and that he was destined to succeed since the wish. Very strange that you nit-picked one single word I used and tried to insinuate that I didn't know the full definition of the word 😂. Thrive in the most literal sense is to succeed. "What does been thriving mean?
growing, developing, or being successful" barely scraping by day to day is not "Thriving" or as you said "A life not that bad". Sustainability and Longevity are typically common things that go along with Thriving but do not directly correlate. You can have longevity while barely making it day to day as long as it is for a extended time. Something being sustainable does not also correlate to something beneficial as it would depend on what is being sustained. For example sustained is also interchangeable with a negative such as sustaining damage. You tried so hard to correct me/play my intelligence that you made yourself sound ignorant while claiming that I was, then proceeding to condescendingly call out other readers by saying "its a common mistake for people" Lose the ego bro.
@@guywithnohouse.6808 Raditz was treated like dirt nearly his entire life not only by other saiyans like nappa and vegeta but also almost all of the freiza force treated them like dogs with vegeta getting a little more acknowledgement from freiza. Saying raditz was "Thriving" while being LITERALLY enslaved is just comedic.
I feel like Bardock just enjoys fighting and getting stronger, so he refuses to tell anyone about his true power and continues to stay as a low-class as it allows him to keeping doing what he likes. (kinda like a Garp situation)
Not true. Saiyan ranks are determined at birth and last their entire lives. Also, Z Bardock was a walking that got one shotted 3 times in his own TV special. 🤣🤣
Pretty sure bardock only got strong cause of zenkais not the strongest but the most resilient
@@Mr.Rendo1 bro really was abusing zenkai boosts to the maximum mf simply built different
@@playerarmy6890 abusing is probably the wrong he didn’t know he simply fought cuz he’s him
@@dangerousdays2052
different canon entirely
I thought Bardock would turn Super Saiyan after finding his dead team and learning that Frieza planned to destroy Planet Vegeta.
He could’ve maybe but he didn’t have enough s cells
His battle power isn't high enough
It would've been a really cool moment BUT even with that boost it would mean less than nothing against frieza at that time and he still would've died the same death maybe some push back but he would still die the same and give frieza one hell of an ego boost from killing a super saiyan.
At that time I don’t think ssj was out yet or a thing? Maybe idk
Could that be a what if in sparking zero?! 😅
Came here after the absolute disaster that was Death Battle's Bardock vs Omniman.
Same, I wonder if Seth will cover this clusterfuck
SAME
Those guys are still going? I thought Superman beating Goku was bad. Then they did Kirby beating Buu. Then Gaara losing to Toph was the last straw. Those guys are fucking morons.
A power level of 10k easily destroys planets. Ain't no way Omniman can even keep up with that level of strength
I'd theorize that Bardock was a former high ranked Sayian (possibly around the time of Turles or Raditz's youth), before his growing defiance or paranoia of Frieza's deception resulted in his demotion to the lower ranks (when Goku was conceived or born).
Turles isn’t canon why you bringing him up
@@JtheBOSS sorry, IMO it's headcanon, Turles the angry firstborn that was disowned for rebellion, maybe why Bardock was demoted to avoid banishment (guilt by association), too valuable to kill, too risky to banish, so King Vegeta settled to demote Bardock to maintain control of the number Sayians Bardock has to command, dunno one theory of many.
Also why; to have had so many direct offspring, Bardock must've been really high on the Sayian hierarchy. Since the subject of biological mothers seem so rare, Sayian reproduction may have been limited to surrogacy and artificial wombs (the capsules). but "reproductive rights" were given only to higher ranks, the more offspring per warrior is the goal. which makes it odd to question why there's so few female Saiyans, was it Freiza's method of population control?
@@LuoSon312_G8 ugh I hate headcanons
Saiyans are born into a caste system. Their power level at birth determines their rank and it lasts their entire life. Vegeta and his dad were elietes. Nappa, Raditz and 8 others were mid level fighters. Bardock and every other Saiyan were considered low level warriors.
The whole thing about Goku is that his philosophy is “Anybody can become stronger”.
And Bardock did not have a philosophy but was in so many skirmishes that his raw power naturally increases.
I know that in Orginal Bardock would not show strength because the idea running around was that if there was a power strong enough to compete with King Vegeta they will be eliminated.
@Suryus94 Even in saiyan saga Vegeta knew about Ki suppression techniques. So the idea he developed a ki suppression makes sense and is in line with what we see.
Nowhere was that ever stated.
He wasn't even close to King Vegeta.
*Almost* 10,000?
So, in other words...it's over 9000?
1006 go kick his ass nappa
The fact that they said omni man folds bardock is crazy
Literally 10k power levels can easily destroy large planets. How could Omniman even win?
I think a cool spin off show would be about the Saiyans before the destruction of planet Vegeta. Stories about all their conquests and struggles under Frieza and Cold's rule.
Plus it would be nice to actually be able to gauge how powerful characters are in meaningful ways lmao, DBS is on such a ridiculous scale of power now it's like stacking infinities.
I think the granola arc really fleshed out minus bardocks character and gave us some nice lore and new characters. I think the arc really Added to the lore of the series in a positive way .
I think DBZ: Kakarot has the perfect description for Bardock's unique power level. Saiyan Spirit.
Bardock is so badass because he represents the side of Goku that doesnt fuck around
This means that if we took canonical Bardock and placed him in the Father of Goku movie, he'd have obliterated Dodoria with ease.
Becuz Toyotaro with his asspulls where characters just get stronger for no reason. 🙄🙄
Only canon bardock is Z bardock. Super is a non canon what if filler for the 10 year time skip. None of it is ever referenced during the end of Z or at any point in the original canon
@@xsorakazamax7522 Wrong. The anime and manga are two separate canons and Super happens in both of them. The Bardock TV special only fits in with the Online/Heroes/Xenoverse continuity.
Bardock was already tired from fighting (if I remember correctly) and it wasn’t even a full fight, I think he just got blasted off
Also Father if Goku (sadly) isn’t main continuity canon
Z bardock is the only real bardock
That intro was somwthing.."back to your reguarly scheduled programming" they tell us in our face
Regarding the "state other than Great Ape", I think they may have referenced it in DBZ Kakarot's Bardock DLC. It uses Z Bardock, but they give him a transformation that is kinda similar called "Spirit of the Warrior Race". And it is JUST an aura, no change at all in terms of hair.
The whole "Saiyans resisting teleportation" thing I think is a reach. I think it's more an aspect of how the dragons teleport people than some special thing only Saiyans can do that applies to all forms of teleporting. Keep in mind, when Vegeta was brought back to life on Namek, and absolutely would have stayed if he had the option. I think sometimes you're just given an option, and sometimes you aren't.
I don't think it holds much water, but I've seen this theory that Bardock had an older brother, mainly because of his hairdo, since Goku and Goten have the same hairstyle and they were both the younger siblings.
Or he could be the older sibling think about it, bardocks father could have looked different from bardock which could mean he’s the older sibling but then also I get your point. When gohan was younger around time chamber training time, he honestly had some resemblance to raditz with the long hair in the back. So yeah either way it’s likely bardock has a brother wether younger or older
Thank yall for creating this man fr. Bardock’s been my fav besides Goku. He resembles that badass gut instinct feeling. That UMMPHH that the world needs rn cuz we got weak ass animes rn and we need more Bardock attitude in the world rn.
Interesting fact that becomes more believable after watching this: someone said that in Bardock's Theme song "Solid State Scouter". It's more meant to reference Bardocks own power level and NOT frieza's other soldiers, which makes more and more sense the more we look into it. Sure, at first it reads in the 3-4 digits, but when it gets to 5 digit numbers it feels more like a single rising power level than just different levels. And if we consider everything about this video true (and the fact that Zenkais are inconsistent) then it isn't hard to believe that when he gets to frieza, his power level is the power level that is heard before the "530,000" at the end of Solid State Scouter, which is 220,000. Zarbon is 30,000 (at max), Dodoria is at 25,000. and the Ginyu Force wasn't there. So that means that it couldn't have been anyone elses power level. meaning Bardock was the strongest Saiyan alive before he died.
Bardock would wreck Sasuke... that comment was almost offensive. They can blow up planets with a tiny power level of 300
Seth's scaling on Naruto's God Tiers go well above Planet level
@@LightningXXI lol
@@LightningXXInot even
@@LightningXXI so? bardock is probably near solar system
ain't no gay eyeballs edgy femboi can throw down with bardock.
Bardock in the time breakers gave me goosebumps
I like to think that Bardock's power level before death was never officially measured as it never says how the Saiyan army goes about recording their power levels. Plus Bardock's scouter keeps getting destroyed my headcanon is that the scouters record their users current power level and upload it when they return from a mission. Other possibility is that Bardock since he knows some people can supress their power can likely do so to an extent. That would explain why Gash doubts him being low class once he sees how strong he is despite Bardock officially being ranked low class.
I genuinely wished they did more with Raditz, being Goku’s brother there was so much potential. But he’s just forgotten about lol
If I remember correctly, Raditz was stated to be powerful at birth but he had a fear of death therefore never pushed himself too hard. Its possible that Raditz could have achieved similar heights as goku if he hadnt feared death and pushing himself. Its likely Raditz hadnt experienced much zenkai boosts due to nothing allowing himself to be pushed to a near death state.
The one thing Im curious about is it possible all sayians can achieve super sayian however all at different levels of power and peak ability. It would be weird to think that all sayians can basically achieve levels beyond super sayian 3. Im also curious if super sayian god is something that would vary in power for the sayian in question.
Goku and Vegeta both died and came back to life before reaching Super Saiyan and Broly is a mutant.
Before he died on Namek, Vegeta in base and without his tail had a power level of around 2M and woulda been the strongest saiyan on record for at least the last 3 generations not including Goku and Broly(he wasn’t on record😂) and definitely since before something like scouters were invented.
So if the legend is true and it’s a once every thousand years or about 10 generations, Goku Vegeta and Broly all being exceptions, there’s room for one more super saiyan to naturally emerge.
Plug n play from that. Without the Namek saga Vegeta isn’t sniffing 2M so this random saiyan would be around 500k. Great Ape would get u to 5M and then Super Saiyan gets u to 250M assuming Base to Great Ape to Super Saiyan is the natural trajectory.
From there, it’s easy to imagine a great ape being able to use the graded forms of super saiyan. Those should be nothing to the ape body BUT it probably drives this random saiyan crazy at this point.
Assuming this random saiyan keeps his tail lol
I prefer the headcannon that Radditz was actually a badass and just didn't fail, never having been beaten close to death, therefore never receiving a zenkai boost
The reason as to why none of the saiyans achieved ssj is not only a power level thing it is kind of a psychological barrier even goku explains it the Saiyans were mostly fighting for sick pleasure the only saiyan close to getting it was bardock against frieza since he was fighting to protect his home planet and his son
all saiyans can reach super saiyan as long as they have enough s cells
@@RoyalestForte1000 tingly feelin
I would speculate that Bardock was only able to defeat gas by tapping into his inner great ape power, just like how Broly did in the 3rd Dragon Ball super movie, becoming wrath broly.
Something about the golden aura and the ascension beyond great ape ssj maybe a false ssj or saya power from the other world tournament makes you think bardock was close to super saiyan
DB Sparking Zero got me back into the Anime again. Was a super big Bardock fan as a kid. I wish the game can give him SSJ1 and SSJ3 just for the fun of it. My man killed chilled that lead frieza to kill the saiyans
God I can’t believe it’s been 34 years since the bardock special
Bardock in form reminds me of that one movie where goku goes "false super sayian"
I was like who tf is this channel then I remembered lmao
The way I see it, Bardock probably reached his peak around 10,000 but never came across anyone that could push him further or a reason to showcase his still untapped potential. Like who exactly could he spar with, the Elites that would likely have him killed out of fear of his power if they just don't outright kill him during a spar or the Frieza Force who'd report everything to Frieza and have him killed before he blows up Planet Vegeta? Life or death situations are like the time he could push himself, especially when it doesn't matter who's watching.
Great analysis.
The biggest thing people forget is the Saiyan society split, I reckon these freakishly powerful Saiyans are the remnants of the other Saiyans.
You look at them all, they are kind, loving and passionate.
Even Vegeta and Bardock have these traits.
The weaker Saiyans which we see probably went to one of Frieza's ancestors begging for help only to end subjugated.
Unless we know more about that split, we can only speculate.
We can ask where the other Saiyans vanished too, did they find a planet that masks life, which does exist in Dragonball.
Seriously unless we get a deep dive into those subjects we can only speculate.
Also if they did survive on a planet we would get some interactions from Vegeta.
The goodie-goodie monkeys got banished to the shadow realm (U6).
This the same Seth that was grooming kids online??? 🤨🧐
That was debunked
@IIIISai no it wasn't that's why nobody will work with him now.
@@UltrEgoVegeta the people who literally accused him took it back and or forgave him, the rest of the people just bandwagon the hate train, the internet is at its most degen immature stage, and i dont even care to defend seth but gotta be fair
@@IIIISai no, no it was not debunked.
That’s why swagkage (one of his longest friends) doesn’t even associate with him anymore.
@@hexit7777 lets establish this first, they dont know eachother its just parasocial "connections"
Seth never did anything to swag, swag just wants to be a victim and virtue signal, clyde who felt trapped literally forgave seth. Swag quite literally doesnt know why or how he feels, just started whining on keems stream, then deleting memories in his old videos...🤣🤣,him and six leeched off seth and as soon as allegations came they looked the otherway, but thats just my analysis, i still watch their naruto videos as the drama means nothing
I really love the idea that canon Bardok doesn't go Super Saiyan, but instead uses his own raw power state. He's a true, fierce warrior that doesn't care about power levels, but only to defeat his enemies, no matter their strength.
imagine if Bardock had the same training as Mystic Gohan. He would be a menace
In one of the english dubs of thr bardock episode, one of the soldiers tell him that if king vegeta finds out he is catching up to his power level, that he would kill him.
That's why I think bardock had an elite power level and pretended to be a lower class. I think after bardocks zenkai boost he was stronger than king Vegeta and Prince Vegeta
@GlenDeaton I don't think so, I think towards the end of the planet he by passed king vegeta, but elites are have to conditions 1. There born much stronger and that's analyzed at birth and 2. Elites get stronger zenkais, which is why vegeta got a stronger zenkai when he went ssj first time than goku. Something elite blood that gives better zenkai, it's just goku in the show tended at times to push himself more or was able to train harder because of that gravity machine.
@@AntiWhiteOut it was never stated. So we will never truly know
@GlenDeaton it was kinda insinuated. One of the soldiers seemed genuinely concerned that bardock was getting too close to king vegeta and he was injured during that point to so it's hard to say what it really was.
@@AntiWhiteOut that's true but when he fought king chilled he was definitely stronger than king Vegeta but that wasn't canon. Also another soldier said bardock almost died again so bardock has gotten a lot of zenkai boost
3:00 maybe just like in real life societies, social mobility is complicated for saiyans. it could literally be a combo of birthright, battle strength, notable accomplishments, or at the whim of a monarch.
that’s what i was thinking, classes are more like ranks; considering saiyans seem to be more of a military government anyway. yes you are given a class as your birthright, but depending on feats of strength or accomplishments; you _can_ be given a new class. kinda like how shinobi ranks work in naruto
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my head canon for bardock never being promoted is because it would look bad on king vegetas part, a lower class saiyan rivaling the power of his. a civil war could break out once saiyans realize the monarchy can be overthrown and all out extinction could happen trying to fill the power vacuum
Imagine if Bardock has been training all this time, I wonder how strong he would be
I gotta say, that intro after 2 youtube ads hits different 😂
i liked the original funimation dub of goku telling frieza that he doesn't care about bardock. Goku said "I don't care" after frieza said he looks like bardock.
Why should goku care, he didn't know who bardock was and at that point in the story, sayians like vegeta were ruthless and that is all goku knew from what king kai told him.
"Which used to be my old Avatar"
Me: *immediately pauses video and looks at the name of the channel*
Oof... time to get the hell out of here
What
Maybe his inspiration was from Sarah Connors picture in terminator when Reese in the future looks at the pic of her with red bandanna on & that’s one of the primary themes “Faith is what we make”
THIS IS THAT VIDEO YOU TALKED ABOUT YEARS AGO! Goku’s true instinct! I was waiting for this
"My old icon."
Like the new one and new name would help escape the alligations.
Seth, The world needs Po vs Goku vid.
Maybe we wouldn't get Super Saiyan, but if False Super Saiyan was a more established thing he might have achieved it."
We cannot confirm how strong Bardock was when he fought Gas. At that time, Gas was weaker than he was when he fought Goku and Vegeta.
We forgot that Heaters had time to train and power up. Even In was caught off guard at first reading thinking how could Bardock trick Gas. While in fact Gas was much, much weaker than he is in DBsuper.
I always thought that because they would send lowvlass to clear non-troublesome planets. They're never challenged and so never get stronger. While stronger at birth saiyans would get training then sent to planets where theyll struggle and as a result, grow or die. A saiyan's picked class at birth is sort of a self-fulling issue because of what they get.
Given the golden aura, it looks like it would be a pseudo transformation into Super Saiyan, sort of a Super Saiyan Omen.
If Gas is right and saying it's stronger than a Great Ape, it's most likely somewhere between a 11x-49x multiplier, sitting somewhere in the range between Great Ape and Super Saiyan.
The royal family didn’t wanna let everyone in the class rank
I never really thought how bardock became so famous when he died in dragon ball
I bet Bardock being a low class Saiyan is due to him not being as ruthless as the others
7:44 Let's be fair here. If I use half of my full strength to move something: I really am barely trying. If I use 7/10ths of my power to lift something: I'm trying but not exerting myself very much. It's not linear. There's an enormous gap between trying 90% and trying 100%. The closer you get to 100%, the more painful and tiring it is. So the language of "far from full power" could make sense in that regard.
What do I think of Toyotaro?
I think he's basically like Toriyama but worse. Toriyama likes to do things because he completely forgets about old concepts and ideas. Toyotaro likes to do things that Toriyama did, forgot about, and then pull more nonsense out of his ass and do it worse.
Better Hypothetical of anti-displacement abilities of Saiyans might be Bardock Easily resisting a Yardrat's Instant Transmission by Touch, but probably not the likes of Whis or Zeno for sure.
I like that you mentioned this hack, because it should be noted, that even with Cell's ability use Instant Transmission later, he was not able to resist Goku's when reverted back to Semi-Perfect.
Yooooo finally another Seth on this platform
Even Vegeta thought he was raw? The King, the Prince or the Planet?
Low class sayian is just a term. Like the indian cast system. Royalty is respected more than talent. Thats why king vegeta did not respect broly.
It's pretty obvious lower class is just that a social class.
He's a brilliant scientist .
I wonder if Bardock is more like Gine then we think. He knew what kind of life was waiting for him if he got 'promoted' to a mid-class warrior.
Maybe..
As a low Saiyan, you are in alot more near death situations = power up, for the survivors.
As an elite, you have more important missions, others care about the sucess of these missions (more), that means more planning(?), less change of near death situations.
Either you die or you are more likely to be fine.
Im guessing that toyotarou kept the non canon power level of 10k for bardock but his saiyan instinct form boosting him into something greater. I think it’s safe to believe that the saiyan instinct bardock surpassed vegeta in saiyan saga and likely dodoria aswell. Its a bit weird to make someone like bardock this powerful tbh
Without context, the chapter title "Bardock VS Gas" makes it sound like Bardock had too much Taco Bell and is in dire need of a trip to the bathroom. XD
In the old Bardock movie, the two scientists that were healing said that they need check Bardock’s power level again so he can be assigned to a new class but that never happens though because he rushes off to planet meat to catch up with his crew.
Great job
My buddies and I used to joke that Goku was the Good Goku, Turles was the Evil Goku and Bardock was the Cool Goku.
Bardock was basically what if Goku was more Kakarot, The Saiyan Warrior, instead of the Pure of Heart Dummy he is.
Bardock just has that dawg in him.
Crazy to think goku’s pops was putting gas on lock even at full power even before wishing to be the strongest
If i remember, the real ssj was meant to have black hair but they didnt want to keep coloring it so they left it white, which then became yellow. So Bardock's "instinct" form is the real super saiyan
Thriving didn’t prevent Goku from dying multiple times 🤣, meaning Goku most definitely defied his “destiny”
Great video!!!! Amazing job Bardock the magnificent
Well I'll say this, Bardock was one badass fighter 💯💯💪🏾💪🏾
Your dad wasnt a fighter but he was a brilliant scientist
You know it would of been really cool if right before freiza attack hits he turn super saiyan before dying and the camera showed zarbon scouter picking up a power level scaling past 400k before exploding.
Ok let me do it for you
Bardork>>>>sasuke
No way
While I don't personally agree it's a funny sight seeing Sasuke try to teleport bardock and bardock just says nuh uh
Ive always interpreted the sayian classes as their birth power level. Raditz was a upper class warrior despite being only slightly stronger than a saibaman and his father being a low class warrior. Vegeta was a elite because besides broly he had the highest recorded birth PL. Goku had PL of like 10 or something at birth and despite having the same parents as raditz and demolishing nappa in seconds is still regarded as a low class warrior by Vegeta
I'm guessing what Bardock did was what Goku did when fighting King Piccolo and what Broly did during DBS Broly. He accessed the great ape power in base. So his power level is somewhere in the realm of 10,000, and jumped to somewhere around 100,000 in the latter portion of he fight. The sudden power boost and far superior speed caught his opponent off guard. So even though Gas was still technically stronger, Bardock won the fight.
So I think I may be able to clarify things a little. The way that the class system was set up was very direct. When the saiyan child is birthed their power level is assesed. This initial power level assesment is ment to determine their potential and class is assigned.
Family name would play a large part as well. Even if the royal or high class families baby is born with a low class power level they still carry genetics of powerful ancestors.
Consider this, Broly was born with a freakishly high power level and it got him and his dad screwed because his potential was insanly high. Somehow though Goku was able to disturb Broly during the baby scenes even though he had a low power level.
Here is my theory, imagine Bardok and Goku's true potential power like a lightbulb. Now imagine that this lightbulb mostly stays off but slightly flickers every now and then for just a micro second. Now imagine every type of saiyan form as a color of light. As the saiyan tries to take on a form he/she choses a color of light and the attempts to flicker the light bulb on repeatedly until they can get it to stay on for a span of time.
Gohan having access to human adrenaline gives him a advantage in turning on the lightbulbs as you see demonstrated when he busted a hole thru a tree as a infant with no training.
He is a brilliant scientist.
I could say that the heeters were supposed to be Frieza's personal shock troops. Always deployed somewhere. While the likes of Zarbon and Dodoria were directly under Frieza.
Hope you’re doing well Seth! I’m looking forward to the Deku vs Yuji
I still do not see your twitter DM.
Brilliant scientist
will be taking notes from this video just in case Death battle flops and give Omni-man the W
Vegeta my as an Adult: my power lvl 10k
Broly: that’s cute I was that as an Infant
Goku activated the UI with the explosion of the spirit bomb. Always wondered why didn't Brodock do the same with Friezas attack?
Judge nothing, you will be happy. Forgive everything, you will be happier. Love everything, you will be happiest.
Fun fact Bardock actually created that technique that allows you to become a great ape whatever you need
If bardock would’ve went false ssj when he fought gas I would’ve fw it heavy😭
Frieza is only scared of Super Saiyans because he sent the first super saiyan back to kill his own ancestor accidentally.
Everything bad that happened to Frieza he did to himself.
Bardock's super saiyan form is badass
I think Bardock would have worked his way up to Medium Class from Low, seeing as he was a commander of a small squad. Vegeta and others referring to him as a "Low Class Saiyan" would then be a even deeper dig into Goku's lineage; only reffering to how Kakarot's family was born, not their accomplisments, which would help support Vegeta's realization that a Low Class Saiyan (Goku) surpassed him.