Bayverse Optimus Prime is not a Psycho
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- Опубликовано: 3 июл 2024
- In this video, I discuss the reasons why I don't see the Bayverse version of Optimus Prime as a psycho. I'm aware the video is not my best work but a lot of time into this video and just hope you enjoy it. You don't have to agree to agree with me but share your opinions down below. So if you guys like this type of content which is much longer and more in-depth, I would love to hear your feedback in the comments down below.
Time Stamps
Intro - 00:00
Not a Psycho - 01:03
Broken Trust - 07:06
Summary - 10:54 
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I think the "Give me your face!" scene works in context, for the original thirteen primes all shared similar masks that showed their status as primes. By removing it prime says that the fallen doesn't deserve the title of a prime. It just doesn't come across clearly in the movie.
That was actually his literal face. That being his mask was a misconception. If it really was a mask then we'd see a protoform face. Or something similar to Optimus's face. But we a skeletal like face. So Optimus literally took off his face
@@Kingofmenacesno I think his point is more valid
@@NumaxNinja what point? I'm just pointing out a common misconception. I wasn't making a point
@@Kingofmenaces Face that is technically a mask of the primes. How I see it anyway. Transformers anatomy...
It also rips away the face of the one who started the entire decepticon faction, so I guess you could say It’s almost like ripping away the whole decepticon faction.
This prime is not a broken man he is a broken soilder transformed by war and PTSD. He went from wanting peace and justice to protection and vengeance. This is war, and it shows how character can change in those situations
Heheh, transformed.
@@user-ir1xo9jp8w 😉👍
He never really went for purely vengeance though , he has moments of rage but whoever he kills contributes towards good since they had been in the past and still were upto no good , bad guys can be prioritised over only so much innocent life .
Don't forget that war will change everything about you. Imagine a WW1 soldier going through millennia of fighting. Optimus is not a psycho because he is doing everything he can to survive and live for himself and his team. Besides, he is still diplomatic all through unless a situation calls for it.
@@thalasowo3373 exactly thank you
I mean, to defend Optimus killing Megatron in DotM, let's not forget that Megatron literally stabbed him in the back in RotF and literally said he was weak. The way I see it, Optimus was simply returning the favor and gave him a taste of his own ruthlessness.
Facts
Optimus shouldn’t stoop to Megatron’s level
@@fegreninja7197 Because Optimus didn't stoop to the other Decepticons' levels?
He also killed one of his closest
Friends by ripping him in half
RIP Jazz
@@thebatmanofneo-gotham5667 my guy optimus already got his payback against megatron in tf2 by blasting half his face off and slicing his arm off. Optimus didn't have to kill megatron if the original ending had them forming a truce. It's like fans (especially bayverse fans) forget megatron isn't always treacherous and if he wants a truce, he's not kidding.
We suddenly gonna forget megatron forming truces with optimus in comics or TV shows didn't happen?.
To all G1 crackheads out there: 1. This is a different continuity of Transformers.
2. Optimus had been through a living Hell. Bee's voice box was damaged, Jazz was ripped in half and in the novel Megs ate his Spark, Megs was resurrected and stabbed Optimus in the back, and shot his Spark into oblivion, while Megs called him weak, Fallen betrayed the Primes, so Optimus had every right to tear that guys face off, he brought Sentinel back from the Moon and revived him, only for him to betray them all and back-shoot Ironhide and leave him to rust into dust, Que was literally executed, the Autobots were exiled to other parts of the Solar System before Que's death, Ratchet was violently torn apart, while begging for mercy, and Lockdown ripped his Spark out of his chassis having refused to give up Primes location, the Wreckers, Sideswipe, and Dino were hunted down too, Cade, Tessa, Shane, and the rat (Lucas) were in danger, and Lockdown turned the rat into a charred skeleton, KSI accidentally revived Megatron and were responsible for the destruction of Hong Kong, Attinger and Cemetary Wind were closing in on them, he was mind controlled by Quintessa in the Last Knight, and nearly killed Bee.
I fucking dare you to tell me you wouldn't snap after that
Exactly imagine watching your friends die one by one in a never ending war for centuries, being betrayed by your only trusted mentor and the humans you swore to protect, seeing your friends being hunted down and melted in front of you.
no sane person would be able to endure something like that, you will break eventually.
Got me wondering if he does have witness things similar to this before he even get to earth in the first movie, and if he does. He probably have just gone through a fresh character arc and decided to be a noble pacifist in the first movie. Until the following movies happened which now makes him loses his shit once again
"bUt pRimE iS SUppoSed tO be NoiCCe" every g1 fan in a nutshell
@@chito2701nah, im built diffrent. (I would be the first to die)
I disagree. When pacifist can turn non-pacifist, they have a bias. So, this Optimus probably didn't think his actions through. Actual pacifist will reflect at their anger/mistakes as soon as they can
you have to think, prime came to earth trying to protect and have peace with everyone and instantly got targeted as an enemy in the 2nd film.
this is also a bot that’s been through centuries of war and was bound to reach his breaking point at some time
Hell, "centuries", and even possibly "millennia" still puts this Optimus as having been through some of the shortest amounts of time an Optimus Prime has been through the ringer, considering many others were at it for literal millions of years. As I once put it to my brother: Bay's Optimus is what happens when you take more of your classic Optimus, put him through more hell than most, and actually allow him to react in a more human way rather than being able to carry near-limitless burden like, say, G1 Optimus is seemingly able to do.
@@Synfang and you know something funny to me armada prime has ALOT in common with bay prime and it’s only not obvious because he’s a kids show prime
@@SynfangI feel like G1 Optimus carrying such a heavy burden works for him as a paragon hero similar to Superman, and Bayverse Optimus suffering from serious battle scars and trauma works for a version that's meant to be portrayed as human despite being a robot.
Also, he's an alien robot fighting other alien robots that can shapeshift. Being brutal and going for the most damage in the fastest way possible makes tactical sense. Also keep in mind that there is ALWAYS collateral damage from human allies and civilians that are small and fragile. These fights can go by really fast which is somewhat realistic.
@@josesosa3337 yeah I dont mind when the idea is timit colletaral on what happens to the squishies when its basically quick and painless, or when its the result of him just snapping. It's more of a problem when he's just being cruel
After everything Megatron did in the Bayverse, plus the fact that he was basically the one who turned Sentinel over to Decepticons, making him believe they couldn’t win the war, and that cybertron could only be saved with the Decepticons help. He’s probably just angry at Megatron for everything. Megatron was simply throwing out a truce when everything he tried failed, and was basically just backing out and being a pussy. Optimus sensed that, coupled with the rage and blaming him for turning Sentinel to the dark side he just wouldn’t hear it.
And the whole “Time to find out” part after that whole rant Megatron went on about how Optimus wouldn’t be anyone without him was Optimus just telling him “bitch you’re nothing to me” he’s no longer his brother or anything like that. Thats why he also told Megatron when he said “We were brothers once” and he replied “Once” to tell him “naw we’re over, you’re way too late to get any sympathy from me.”
Also, me as a human I’d be pretty mad if Optimus DIDNT kill Megatron after what happened to Chicago.
There is a reason why the Nazis were hung and not forgiven.
I mean, if anyone knew what Megatron had done in other universes when he surrendered (86 Movie, anyone?) Optimus chose the best possible option,.
@@juice2307 EXACTLY 🗿
I love when optimus said time to find out, he was done holding any sympathy or compassion for megatron
Ya, personally speaking I'd compare this to what would be the reasonable consequences for Megatron after the war, the only options would be Banishment or execution. I don't think they would be able to properly banish Megatron, so he'd die either way.
The only time Megatron can be 'trusted' is when there is a bigger enemy. And even then usually not, Megatron from "Prime Wars" web series is the only one that was somewhat 'nice' without some reality flip.
Optimus is not stupid to let Megatron live. A few seconds before, he LITERALLY said "This is my planet!" while he destroyed Sentinel. Megatron knew the battle was lost. Soundwave was death, Starscream was death, Shockwave was death, his army defeated. He was literally surrounded by autobots and human soldiers plus he saw that the humans now were able to use predator missiles inside the city. He knew he was going to die. He played the surrender card but Optimus called his bluff.
In the original movie ending he takes Megatron's truce and go their separate ways.
@@Automaton237what do you think would have been better
@@paladinheadquarters7776 the second option where they end the franchise with them both not attacking each other anymore.
@@Automaton237 But then we wouldn't get the best two movies in the franchise! /s
@@spartan-1210 those are definitely not the best movies in the franchise and even then they can have Megatron be a good guy and change the story to have the quintessence be the main villains and they could have their own powerful minions and army to be dangerous. Or instead of Megatron being on Earth as an ally he can instead show up at the last moment with his remaining Decepticon henchmen to fight and help the Autobots in the process winning the battle they can have a cool scene were the Decepticons slowly come out of the vehicle killing a bunch of the enemy forces catching them off guard and then Megatron and Optimus team up against the main villain and even have Megatron or Optimus Prime sacrifice themselves to save Cybertron and Earth.
Optimus Prime like many other great soldiers in fiction like Kratos and Snake, is a veteran. A victim of the war machine just as much as casualties or civillians in some ways
I feel like Snake isn't a great comparison for Optimus. Kratos is, because he and Optimus have been alive for an extremely long time. Snake's time was severely limited by design, and his final years were dedicated outright dismantling, and while his body breaks down over time, his mind and resolve were unbreakable. Optimus and Kratos are functionally immortal, and the generations of fighting have taken a serious mental toll on them.
I interpret “Give me your face” as him taking The Fallen, and by proxy, the Decepticons power. The Fallen is the first Decepticon, and his face was the inspiration for the Decepticon symbol. And him tearing that symbol down in defense of a planets freedom emboldens his Autobot faith and strikes fear into the decepticons. And Megatron was indeed terrified.
His face being the inspiration for the Decepticon symbol is a bit tenuous in the context of what he looks like, honestly. I'd buy that if they actually used the design where he looks like the Decepticon symbol but I don't buy it when he looks like a bunch of bamboo leaves.
@@mercury2157 fallens original design was going to look like the deception logo but then they changed it into something far worse (for some reason I cannot understand)
The comparasion between G1 Prime & Bayverse Prime some people on the fandom tend to make is stupid
1. It's a Reinterpretation
2. G1 Optimus Fought against Decepticons that at their worst get drunk & cheat on Baseball, Bayverse Prime fight against Decepticons that Kill innocent people for Fun on a Daily Basis
The comparison between energon prime & Bayverse Prime some people on tfw2005 tend to be so smart
1. Both become depressed after avengers endgaming thier megatron
2. Movie Optimus fights a few guys, but energon Optimus ceases the life force of 1000s of terrorcon warriors in a single year despite the fact only 10 could bend a highly defended planet to its knees.
Animated Batman and Adam West Batman are different versions of tag characters but they have a similar trait, they’re compassionate and they don’t kill.
Also the problem with Optimus isn’t that he kills, he kills like a deranged psychopath and makes edgy one liners
@@apexsmokepacker wrong
good vid
However, I still find it strange that people forget one fact. This is a story about a war between two ALIEN factions.
They may have a different idea of morality, they have their own code of honor.
This idea can and even should differ from the wet fantasies of those infantile people who call Bayverse Prime a psycho.
Autobots and Decepticons can tear and shoot each other, they existed in other conditions and waged these wars for who knows how many centuries.
Agree, though I wouldn’t call anyone who believes Bayverse Optimus to be a psycho “infantile”, they’re just not seeing the full picture of what his character has truly been through behind all the explosions and brutality.
Speaking of which, I see the brutality of Optimus’ kills brought up as a common point by ppl who think he’s a deranged killer. People tend to offer the POV of “imagine they were human, this would be so much more brutal!”
Well, that’s the thing. They’re not human, they’re aliens. Their physiology is completely different to ours. A sword through the chest, yeah that will kill any one of us, no matter how tough we can get. A Cybertronian though? Unless you hit their spark, they can shrug that shit off and still kick ass. That’s why Optimus has to “rip and tear” to make sure these Decepticons stay dead. What looks overly brutal to us is basically necessary methods of killing to them. Hell, the humans in the films implore the same amount of brutality, just smaller scale and with firearms, yet they’re not the ones placed under the same microscope?
TL;DR Cybertronians be literally built different, harder to kill than us humans. What we consider brutal methods of killing is simply the efficient norm they have to use.
That's a good point, too. The Transformers are aliens, their customs and definitions might not adhere to that of humans, but it doesn't make them all evil simply because of that.
In my opinion he wasn’t a psychopath but he is a broken person like you said he got betrayed by Megatron and his leader sentinel prime and also the humans fault that attack him and he was in shckk
Even Shockwave killed his Girlfriend (elita-1) in Prequel Comics
And Optimus was trying to survive. Because when you are at war, would you choose your morals or live to see another day?
@@unapessoa4875You meant the ROTF comics or others?
@@iamlouis1495 the DOTM comics...
@@unapessoa4875 but she was killed in ROFT alongside with Arcee.
“Guyss, why is Optimus so mean to the deshepticons 😭”
The decepticons: 👶🔫🤖
It's like saying we were too mean to the Nazis in World War II 💀💀
@@kobi7955dawg💀
But Fr, people are acting like the decepticons are any better
Finally glad someone else understoods that he's not psychotic, but just a war traumatised, battle hardened warrior whose witnessed countless deaths and brutal scenes over his whole life as a soldier, and how it affected him in such a way.
Among other things of cause. Also if he were a true psychopath, none of his allies would be left alive as he would of probably killed them, similar to Joker in a way.
He solider not a psycho. Just because you are solider does not mean you are a psycho. Its his job as the leader of the autobots.
It's a bit hypocritical in my opinion
The Decepticons and other villains mercilessly killing millions of innocent people without even caring,Nobody says anything
Plus Optimus giving the same treatment they did to the innocent and even defending his own friends, that's a problem
Plus he died when he was protecting sam, in his dying breath he thought he doomed earth and humanity and after he was revived and saw the star harvester activating he pulled the gloves out.
Well, no shit. They're VILLAINS. It's expected that the hero (especially a character like Optimus) should do and be better than them and us.
@@SNDWV99 i know,But didn't anyone think that he could be treating them the same way the Decepticons treat humans so they can feel their "pain"?
@unapessoa4875 Maybe. Still seems he's enjoying it too much for my taste.
I'm sorry, are you proposing any Bayverse Decepticons are innocent? They were all fighting for the same goals as their leaders.
The fallen also destroyed other planets before being banished/exiled and his ass was going to do it again after destroying the earth if he succeeded and what’s interesting about optimus not killing megatron in the novel compared to the movie is how megatron went about offering the truce,in the novel it was more sincere and selfless vs the movie were he comes off selfish and back to being ego driven. And one thing I like about prime is that even tho he has trust issues he doesn’t use that as a excuse to be a complete asshole like other characters from fiction
i agree (most of) prime's kills are justified it's just the way he does it is unjustified he pointlessly mutilates his oponents just to make them suffer instead of quickly and peacefully killing them
Did the Fallen destroy other planets? It was implied that earth was the first planet he tried to destroy.
@@jonathandelgado3755the primes don’t destroy planets. They destroy suns and turn them to energon. They normally destroy stars with no living creatures, so the fallen didn’t try to destroy the planet (technically) he did try to destroy a star with animals in its star system.
@@iminyourwallscall911The brutality never bothered me I only had a problem with lockdowns death because it just felt unnecessary and extra for the writers to have prime slice him in half but that’s it.
@@jonathandelgado3755 the tie in stuff reveals that he destroyed other planets before earth, the primes found out about his actions before he could do the same thing to our planet
The Bayverse Optimus Prime never was a librarian, archivist, a space bridge repair crew-member or dock worker. He was a soldier, a Knight. That is how the Allspark created him. This is actually somewhat close to a depiction of Optimus in the comics where he’s a Police Officer before becoming a Prime.
He was actually in charge of the science division on Cybertron with no knowledge of his past as a prime until Sentinel found him. Wasn't till before the war started the Optimus learned of his connections to the Dynasty of Primes. Him being a knight though that just came out of nowhere and didn't make any sense whatsoever.
I’ve always had a problem with the thought he should of spared megatron especially since megatron ordered the destruction of the xanthium only wanting a true after realizing that sentinel was taking charge so Optimus after dealing with megatron and his bs for Billions of years killed him
Facts the Saving grace for the novel ending is that megatron was more sincere and selfless but I prefer the movie ending I just wish megatrons betrayel of sentinal and dooming his own plan was better executed
Not to mention it's Megatron you can't trust him if Optimus let him go that's letting a threat remain to be able to kill and innocent human he wants and he hates humanity so why let him go and continue to risk innocent lives naw eliminate the threat and be done with it
A simple way to say hes not a psycho os to just say, "hes an old bot whos been in a war with his brother for centuries which would just knock the unspoken rules of war out the window because of how long its been going, and constant betrayal thats probably happen before a few times on cybertron aswell, and the death of his home world". That would make anyone do that kind of stuff
realest video regarding the live action films. bay prime is not a psychopath and is one of the best takes on the character. i think people look past that because they see these movies at face value which is fair bc they're dumb action movies at the end of the day. but when you really decide to pay attention you realize that all of these fuckers deserved it lmao. and the explanation for prime's attitude towards humanity in AOE is literally thrown at the viewers face
I think people also ignore how kind and respectful Optimus is to the humans throughout the films. Even in AOE when the humans almost murdered him, and murder his friends, he at worst only:
A) lectured the human that is responsible for melting his friend while said human called him a piece of technology. Said human was also ftrainkinstining a bunch of robot corpses to hunt down Optimus.
B) He killed one human, that human being the one who is responsible for the death of his friends. Oh and maybe he killed a goon or 2 that was part of the human faction that tried to kill him and his friends, said goons were about to murder a family of 2.
C)he hit one human with his gun out of a PTSD panic, which isn’t good, but again Optimus just came back to live after being hunted by humans.
Facts optimus was the real deal he fought for what’s right he didn’t care about status like megatron and he doesn’t care about being superior to others like sentinel and even after all the backstabbing while he definitely has trust issues he didn’t let it turn him into a total asshole like other characters. Bayverse prime is my favorite incarnation
Yes......the truth is that I always felt tender about the way Optimus acted with humans, whether they were civilians or friends 💖. He treated them with great care and affection, as if they could break if you didn't take good care of them.
And it made me so angry and helpless when they betrayed them, since it was obvious that Optimus was hurt and disappointed at having to suffer more betrayals 😾
He didn't have to do a whole ass fatality on Grindor though
This is so true to what Optimus is really going through, the people who say that Optimus Prime is a psycho they don't even pay attention to these movies, the movies really show how much pain Optimus feels when his friends are killed off by the Decepticons , that shows how much of a true Leader he is.
A battle crazed soldier can still be a bit psychopathic though, I feel like that is part of the tragedy but its not exactly an ideal version of Optimus Prime who is characterized as a fatherly figure too.
@@kennethsatria6607 you literally proved his point face it. He’s not a psycho.
For the Transformers 3 Megatron situation, the original ending for the film was going to be the same as the books, but Amazon fucked up and accidentally leaked the original ending in the novelization of the book in their page preview thing on their site. So the ending was changed to the one we got in the final film, that's why it feels so out of place considering what you said throughout the film with Megatron being tired of fighting and just wanting to go home.
Or It’s either way Hasbro forcing bay and movie workers to change the ending, because they noticed the leak. I’m not pretty sure if movie production do care about the leaks and stuff.
@@iamlouis1495 Bay himself changed it. He didn't like how the ending got leaked so he changed it so it wouldn't be expected.
@@StableDruid130oh
I always thought Megatron was talking to Optimus when saying “we need a truce”, and Optimus did not trust the guy enough to accept that truce. But eventually I realized…Megatron was talking to SENTINEL. He’s the one Megatron is looking at when he’s talking about a truce, and it’s not until he says “who would you be without me” that he faces Optimus. So it wasn’t that Optimus had trust issues with Megatron, Megatron was still intending to be at war with the Autobots and humanity, he just had to assert his strength and demand he be put back at the top above Sentinel
Why would Megatron want to make a truce with Sentinel Prime again Sentinel Prime would just betray Megatron and kill him in the original ending they do make a peace treaty and go their separate ways.
@@Automaton237 I am unfamiliar with what the film was going to be beforehand, but as for the final product, I highly doubt Megatron would break away from the plan and make peace with Optimus then and there, especially as by this point, Cybertron was halfway through the portal and into Earth’s orbit. It wasn’t until Carly made Megatron realize that he was beneath Sentinel and needed to assert his dominance over him, make it known that “Megatron is commanded by no one.” Plus, I also doubt the very leader of the Decepticons would somehow give Sentinel much of a chance to betray and kill him, especially after the beating he had just given him. And as for “all I want is to be back in charge”, it makes more sense if he’s talking to Sentinel, as he is the one that Megatron (to an extent) relinquished command of operations to in the deal they made.
I don't understand when people say Optimus is a psycho, he just kills the evil decepticons and rescues the day. He does whatever is necessary.
Because he murders them in an over the top mortal Kombat fashion and says an edgy one liner as if he enjoys killing
He also executed decepticons that were already beaten
@@apexsmokepacker wrong
He tends to overindulge and I think that does speak to how the war might have changed him for the worst.
But then maybe its also a byproduct of their species being so damn durable and hard to kill.
Which is an interpretation I like that both old IDW and new Image comics TF has tackled, that they are metal shelled giants fighting in worlds so easily bruised, even the early scene of Prime in Image Comics was him accidentally crushing a deer and reflecting that even the ground beneath them shakes and deforms unlike Cybertron.
Its fantastic stuff.
Personally, I agree that Optimus Prime is not a psycho in these movies. While I don't agree with him killing Megatron in DOTM, I still think he's just a broken man who's a victim of war. Besides ilke you said I think with a few improvements here and there, Optimus could've been more compelling and empathetic to the audience. In fact, the version of Optimus that I think shows what Bayverse Optimus should've been is in Transformers: Prime. In this show, Optimus is very similar to his movie self but is more empathetic and compelling and we understand why he fights the way he does and has a subtle story arc in the series where he learns to do whatever it takes to end a war. Overall, I really enjoyed Movie Optimus Prime, and I personally think he is not a psycho, just a victim of a long long war.
How couldn't you agree with Prime killing MEGATRON??? This is like saying "I don't agree with an allied soldier killing Hitler" 💀😭
@@kobi7955 I don't agree with Optimus killing Megatron because Megatron offered a truce and saved Optimus' life. Furthermore, killing Megatron goes against everything Optimus Prime is about, especially since he wasn't trying to kill him.
@@SgtAJ218 Megatron started a revolt that led to a centuries long war that destroyed Cybertron and killed countless friends and allies of Optimus, hell Optimus has outlived entire generations of Autobots who gave their lives to fight for him. I don't think he'd want a truce with an enemy that destroyed their entire home and culture and forced their race to know nothing but war and death.
@@kobi7955Ong bro I don't get these people. Like oh yes we should definitely trust the psycho robot that has killed millions of people mercilessly and is also the leader of a group that has mf DECEPTION IN ITS NAME 💀💀💀. Optimus is 100% justified
No no everyone gets this all wrong megatron didnt want a truce with optimus he wanted a truce with sentinel he holded sentinel while looking at him and then said all i want is to be back in charge and then looked at prime
Definitely agree, Bayverse Optimus definitely saw so much horrendous shit throughout the films to the point that it's a miracle that he hasn't snapped already from the sheer amount of trauma he's accumulated over the years he's spent fighting against the Decepticons.
Honestly, i feel like the actual reason his fights are brutal is because with robots you can get away with all the crazy stuff like ripping off arms and slicing open heads. No actual gore and blood so why not. Cause imagine all these executions with human characters, it would literally be mortal Kombat. I know thats not the main focus of the vid, but it was on my mind. Great vid.
I'm glad someone finally talks about this topic without falling into the cliché "The OG Prime's not like this, this is NOT a real Prime!!", and take this into a deeper perspective.
Though I really get why he killed off Megatron in DOTM, at this point, nobody in their sane mind would accept a "peace treat" with the dude that literally killed you, stabbing at your back. Don't forget all the things he has done on the course of the movie franchise
I believe most compare movie prime to rid2001 prime.
Megs wasnt asking for a truce, he was trying to escape from consequences
I think he was mocking him and seeing *you can't kill me, I'm too important"
@@GreysonIngall I see it that way too, a bit of a meta insult too
What would an Optimus Prime be without Megatron?
the guy just fight a fair fight with murder psycho robots that do numerous genocides and people just call him a psycho for that?!
These videos always interest me
Thank you so much for making this video
As for my opinion
I think Optimus prime in these movies are absolutely justified
Every single one of them
As for Megatron’s decapitation scene, I think Optimus just wanted to end the war, not taking any chances. And Megatron himself I think could’ve worded his truce better like: “now we need a truce, I am tired of this, all of this Optimus, even an endless war must end sometime, and thus I shall devote myself and the remaining decepticons to rebuild cybertron, and leave Earth alone. It’s over prime, all of this is over.”
And I thought prime turning into Nemesis Prime was actually logical since by that point he has lost almost everything and everyone, except for his home planet which he still has a chance to save. And seeing as how humans have betrayed him, it’s actually somewhat justified from Optimus’ view. I think Prime can even just not get brainwashed and still do those things in Tlk because he has enough reason to do so.
okay what about demolishor in the video he says optimus kills demolishor because he is sick of decepticons but that is not an excuse to ruthlessly murder him also demolishor was not a complete monster he only killed people because he was running for his life he had no other option if you had to step on a bunch of mice just to survive would you?
also i still think optimus is a psychopath because while yes the deaths of grindor,the fallen and megatron are excusable since they were in battle the way he kills them is petty, cruel and sadistic he tears grindor's head in half with hooks, then rips off the fallen's face and tears his heart out of his chest with his bare hands and he decapitates megatron even though it's pointless since the head is not as vital as the spark also he killed megatron even when megatron surendered that is a literal war crime
@@iminyourwallscall911 you don't even know what Psychopath means
@@j.c7282 i mean what he did to sentinel was pretty psychopathic but i get you're point i used the wrong word
@@iminyourwallscall911I mean demolishor did kill a lot of people. Leaving that machine alive is too risky.
Optimus killing Sentinel will always be the one kill I will defend and say Optimus was valid in doing so, Sentinel betrayed his fellow Autobots, killed Ironhide, attacked the NEST base, threatened to kill Optimus, attempted to kill all the Autobots while they were in the ship and showed no remorse over it, aligned himself with Optimus’ worst enemy and took over an entire city, planed to bring Cybertron back and enslave the entire human race, teared off Optimus’ arm and despite all of that Optimus still tried to plead and reason with Sentinel, only to be kicked aside while Sentinel once again attempted to murder Optimus. Would you want to defend and say Optimus shouldn’t have killed Sentinel right then and there? He didn’t deserve to be taken away and live, there was no reason to trust him anymore after all he had done, he didn’t even apologise, only tried to excuse himself for why he betrayed those who trusted him, he didn’t listen when Optimus tried to plead, so Optimus didn’t either, and was definitely right in doing so, Sentinel deserved what he got no question.
Bayverse Optimus Gets Way More Pain & Deaths Then Any Other Optimus...
For example:- Transformers Prime Optimus prime lost Cliff Jumper only...
While Bayverse Optimus Lost 3/4 Members of his Main Team...
You're forgetting the entirety of War and Fall of Cybertron also feature Prime Optimus, technically. He came to a room where Starscream was on a killing spree, and his only words when he got there was "I couldn't save them..."
@@burnttoast.2017 Cybertron stories don't count...
Everyone is at full on war on Cybertron...
No mercy is given no matter what...
On Earth it counts more
It's implied that Prime had lost a lot of his friends in the prime continuity. Not saying Bay prime didn't as well, but in truth, almost every version of prime has lost a mass amount of their allies.
@@superxavxii421 yes but bay one has lost more....
Optimus Prime being at the helm a losing war and employing fierce combat strategies to ensure his enemies never rise again is entirely fair.
all the non Movie fans may seethe
The "give me your face" line also had another meaning, ALL primes have something similar as the mark of one being a prime. He tore it off, essentially saying "you don't deserve it" to the fallen.
In Optimus defense his "I won't actually kill you" thing got him killed in the second movie
Agreed. Bayverse/Tyran OP is a man that pretty much through absolute hell. Best way I can describe it is that he's pretty much like the Doom Slayer except Bayverse/Tyran Prime still has some support from what little Autobots he has left and whatever humans that can get over their fears of a giant war veteran robot whereas the Doom Slayer (prior to the games) pretty much lost everything and had to fight his war alone.
And, just like Doomguy, OP (in a lot of versions, but Bayverse/Tyran especially) has been fighting for thousands if not millions of years. So, "Being tired of fighting Decepticons" might be the biggest understatement in Transformers history. He and Megatron have more or less been sending their fellow brothers and sisters in arms through the meatgrinder for eons and OP is very much tired of what is pretty much an endless war.
As for the "Give me your face" line, some people already pointed it out but I also agree with them. The Fallen/Megatronus pretty much wore the mask of his position within the Primes and Optimus found him unworthy to be called a Prime given what he tried to do.
If anything, Bayverse/Tyran Optimus is best describe as a man constantly pushed to his limits and given little to no time to actually rest. That kind of pressure tends to make a lot of people break and cross boundaries, Optimus being no exception.
Overall, great video.
In my opinion, you are wrong on the fact that lockdown was going to kill Optimus. He said earlier that he wanted to take him to his creators, so Optimus killed him to protect Cade and other humans. Also doesn’t it sound wierd that Optimus says “honor to the end” after killing lockdown from behind?
Not at all he was about to kill Cade the whole point was about having each others back till the end
He says honor to the end to cade
Why not? Lockdown cheapshot Optimus first so.....
My take on this was that Optimus was so brutal when dealing with Decepticons, simply due to the fact that the Decepticons have a God complex, they look down on Autobots and other life forms as if they all are mere mindless bugs that need to be eradicated.
Even in TF Prime and WFC and FOC games Prime is ruthless when needed and when pushed to the extreme. He is a just leader and an advocate for peace, but if peace is threatened by unrational enemies and no other alternative is available he will rip out your spine
Thanks for this video. I'm so sick of people who don't know what a war crime is make video essays about Optimus committing war crimes. As if the Deceptions have been anything but menaces the whole series. And as of Humanity isn't completely fucked without autobot help.
Tbh I don't think it was quite ever called into question whether Optimus's kills were *justified*, he's a leader in a war. He has to make hard decisions, he can't coast through the war without getting blood- er, Energon, on his hands. The Idea really is that, As the series continued, Prime's methodology becomes more brutal, and his Sanity begins to slip. He's beaten, killed, betrayed, shunned, and broken. Even the best of leaders might very well break under these conditions. It's fascinating. An issue people tend to have with this, however, is that this isn't how Optimus Prime is traditionally depicted. Usually, Prime is an unwavering hero, Kind and Gentle to his allies, and still merciful to his foes. A Paragon of virtue, justice, and all that is "good". But Bay's Prime, as flawed as the movies are, take a somewhat more realistic approach to Prime's character. He tries his hardest to do the right thing, to be the good Leader he should be, but he *has* to kill Decepticons if he wants to save the innocent. After millions of years of conflict, He's grown tired. He's an old soldier, an old man, fighting a battle that should have ended lifetimes ago when the planet was effectively destroyed. But the battles won't end. Even death won't keep him out of the fight, apparently. And the inhabitants of his new home have decided he doesn't belong, and have betrayed him. He's tired, bitter, regretful. He still tries to be the good guy, but he's just so full of anger and regret, it's hard to be the merciful, gentle hero he once was.
This is true, but my problem is not the fact that he kills, oh no, he is absolutely justified in killing the Decepticons, evil is evil, my problem is THE WAY he kills them. The best example of an Optimus that does kill and isn't insanely brutal about it is Transformers: Prime Optimus Prime. That Optimus did kill Deceptcons, but when he did it, it felt like he was doing it to survive and to get it over with rather than dwelling on it by being overly brutal or because his morals are "corrupted". He still retained his morals and killed in a swift and precise manner like the other Autobots in TFP. As one comment stated, maybe if the Bayverse had better writing, people wouldn't be as bitter about Prime killing Decepticons, even though they would probably still be bitter about him going a little too overboard and unnecessary (I'm no exception to this). Now, about prime being "Realistic" because he gets corrupted is kinda BS because yes, in a war, you have to kill to survive, but you can be swift, quick, and efficient with your kills while still retaining your hope and humanity. This is what Optimus is supposed to be, a war veteran that kills to survive, but does it quickly and effectively, and still values the life of others that he cares about and who he strives to protect, and in some scenarios, tries to reason with his enemies at first, and when he's left with no choice, he ends up killing them, but Never in a Mortal Kombat fashion. And to that argument of saying that war can corrupt ideals, Optimus is the antithesis to that. People can still keep their morals and ideals, even if they have no other choice but to kill. They do it not because they want to be a psycho but because they're trying to survive and fight for a good cause. Maybe if they had a scene in the bayverse (maybe in Dotm) where he realizes he started to go down a brutal and psychotic path, and then he brings himself back to being hopeful and changes himself for the better, and goes back to killing quickly and swiftly like how he does in TF1 and TFP ofc ( even though TFP came after the bayverse but still). But IDk, that's just me, maybe I'm wrong or maybe I'm not, at the end of the day, this is just my opinion.
I always thought about it like this:
Bonecrusher was killing civilians and Optimus, while not entirely on the ropes, would've lost if he let him live.
Both Grindor and Demolishor would've returned to the rest of the Decepticons and killed more after their initial rampages.
The Fallen was, obviously, hellbent on harvesting the Milky Way's sun. The face taking thing is probably more symbolic than anything.
Shockwave (as revealed in the IDW comics) killed Elita-One, and had also aided in the invasion of Chicago.
Megatron and Sentinel were the two who got the closest to taking over the Earth and I believe by now Optimus had little sympathy or patience for either.
Lockdown was threatening one of Optimus' only allies at that point. It was either he act or Cade died.
He was a hero.
I will say though that everyone who calls Prime a psycho conveniently forgets what the Decepticons are doing.
ngl as a kid i never saw him as much of a "physco" just more of a vengeful guy, he lowkey reminded me of batman ngl
never had any idea people thought his character was a psycho in these films…. it’s as if they didn’t even watch them lol
they dont they just parrot other peoples words and opinions
As a small fun fact in both of the spanish dubs for Revenge of the Fallen, the latin-america and the Spain versions (they're different from each other), when Optimus is about to finish off The Fallen he says:
- Latin-america: "encarame ahora" (this can be translated back to english to something like "face me off" or "fight me"; obviously then pun in the dub is going more to the "face me off" because of the word )
- Spain: "nunca das la cara" (this is literally just "you never show your face").
So, in the spanish community the "give me your face" line does not exist at all in that sense; I like how you, in your video, and the people that commented in this video gave some other interpretations for this line, but personally because of my own personal experience with the dubs version I like to take Optimus quote as of him referring to The Fallen as a coward of some sort. You know even if all the events in the movie are consequences of The Fallen actions and orders, he is mostly waiting in the shadows while his henchmen do the job he gave them. I'm not ranting on The Fallen, he's my personal favorite villain from the movies, but he being somewhat portrayed as a coward in the sense of giving orders and not going to face off his enemies is interesting.
One thing regarding Prime as a victim of war is he's not a newface who's just being introduced to the horrors of it. He already watched his own home planet become an uninhabitable husk, and now he and his few remaining friends are the only ones who can protect this new one they've found. Every human death at the hands of a Decepticon is one that, to him, he is ultimately responsible for failing to protect, and every Autobot death is another comrade lost trying to keep this new home from becoming just like his last. Add to that how the various human organisations actively antagonise and later start hunting them, and it's not at all hard to see how this would break even the strongest of men to become ruthless, jaded and untrusting.
I think what he did to sentinel in DOTM was deserved, not only did he betray the autobots and allow the Invasion of earth. He murdered Ironhide in cold blood
Movie optimus was justified in their action both bayverse and rotb. Bayverse con literally commits genocide on earth, collateral damage and killing innocent and destroying earth and rotb is justified killing the devil's henchmen. Both wants to save their soldier. But people justify rotb optimus anger as saying he lost bee but bay's optimus lost as same if not more, he lost his friends ratchet, ironhide, jazz, his girlfriend elita and many other autobots by the hands of shockwave. Homie got betrayed by his brother Megatron, his mentor sentinel and importantly by humanity and he still save them. I just hope they focused on his anger in the film and the conflict on his mind like Neroidius said, overall both bay and rotb prime needs therapy.
Also people forget that how bay treat his human allies he treat them with respect and doesn't belittle them he was angry when the hid a secret about the ark in the moon and when they were being hunted. Also people say that optimus saying you die to shockwave is bloodthirsty, bruh this is shockwave a guy who in all continuities is a threat and not only that but shockwave in the prequel comic literally killed autobots refugee including jolt and elita one and he was responsible for destroying parts of Chicago with his driller. Plus these are not the cons from g1(show not comics) since they usually are the Saturday morning villains(until the movie) unlike the bay cons whose attempt almost destroyed earth. Plus prison was not made until dotm but only one jail for average cybertronian but it was destroyed by shockwave and in tlk the prison for con were fully made.
Bayverse Optimus Prime is not the same “idealistic champion of all that is good” that G1 and other counterparts of him are and that’s okay. It makes sense for a live action franchise where things are more grounded. Yeah, yeah the lore gets expanded and crazier as we go on, but the movies are still fairly grounded in a realistic setting.
Bayverse Prime is not a Psycho, nor does he progressively become one. He’s a grizzled war veteran and leader that has endured so much, yet still clings onto noble principles: “Freedom is the right of all sentient beings.” Even in the face of such adversity of losing allies, dying, and being betrayed by people you swore to protect.
Funny how despite all the criticisms of just how many “warcrimes” he’s committed, he never did break that mantra of his. Never once did he become the oppressor. Not even when brainwashed. He was threatening, oh yes. But never once did he strip an *innocent* sentient being’s freedom.
“But what about those surrendering Decepticons-?”
Did we watch the same films? Name one scene where a Decepticon straight up goes “I surrender! Please don’t kill me!”
Not a single instance. The Decepticons hiding that NEST hunted? Yeah they’re just biding their time to revive Megatron and start their shenanigans again. Just because they start hiding doesn’t absolve them of all wrong they have committed or will commit.
What sucks is that Megatron's truce WOULD'VE happened had the novel not been spoiled because of Amazon's shitty book preview feature. Fuck you Amazon for that one! Bayverse Prime is a broken war-torn bot, who would coincidentally get along with UT Prime who fucking loved combat (even if he never admits it).
UT? Which version is that?
@@blizzardgaming7070 Unicron Trilogy
@@Jetblast01 thanks
From what I've heard, the original scene was gonna have Megatron and Prime team up to fight a longer battle and then go their ways, but it was replaced by a rather fast paced moment of Megatron jumping and Optimus cleaning up.
Great video and absolutely agree with you! Glad to hear people defending just about anything in these movies I love. Though one thing, I have a STRONG doubt Megatron was actually asking for a truce... Remember Optimus knew him much longer than we did and canonically he was a corrupt politician on cybertron who basically started the war...
Like I said in another comment. He isn't violent or crazy, he's tired. Tired of this violent and worthless war, taking everyone he cares about. Tired of Megatron and his other decepticons killing innocents, he hates that they killed Cybertron and that (at least in the aligned continuity) Megs did it and is dodging his responsibility, and when Sentinel shot Ironhide in the back with a cosmic rust gun. He snapped he had enough and his rage likely blinded his judgment, hence him executing megs in DOTM. His tiredness and anger towards the war hit a boiling point, and he couldn't calm down due to humanity betraying him and his people. Not violent, tired.
Sentinel betrayed and murdered his own people, ordered the slaughter of an entire city, was planning to subjugate all of humanity, and would have killed Optimus if Megatron hadn't intervened at the last second.
And people have the gall to act like Optimus is somehow in the wrong...
I cannot agree with statement about Demolisher situation. The Decepticon caused destruction simply because he was straight up running for his life. He and Sideways not doing anything at that point just running.
Wounding Demolisher would have been enough, but Optimus chose to freaking execute the decepticon.
I feel like you are forgetting that Optimus Prime was supposed to be a hero and stuff. An important leader. Strong enough to be gentle. And also that this is fiction. The writers didn't do all of this to show the tragedy of war, they did it because they thought it was cool. They didn't have to make him execute unarmed defeated deceptions. Just because you can overexplain your way through some explanations doesn't mean they come across clearly in the execution.
Theorymus is a youtuber who makes theories that make the bay movies make sense. But the audience doesn't get that stuff easily. So all of these explanations about a broken edgy tired Optimus weren't conveyed either. He also had no reason to cut Lockdowns head in half, shoot Demolisher who couldn't even move, Execute Sentinel Prime and even refuse a fucking truce with Megatron in TF3.
Also he isn't a literal psychopath that is an internet joke based off of his vicious character. Michael bay and the writers didn't have to make Optimus Prime do these things, but they did because everything in those moves was overly edgy and violent.
Exactly! That's my point as well. I really dunno why Bayverse bad writing apologists have started popping up everywhere on RUclips over-explaining the shit out of his poorly written characters and scripts.
You can literally see that he was quite close to his true essence in the first movie, and then suddenly by the beginning of the second one, he's straight up executing Decepticons.
When Marky-Mark first wakes Optimus, you can hear him yell ‘Sam’ through the static. I’m almost certain Prime’s last memory before going into hiding was seeing Lockdown kill Sam Witwicky.
My head cannon says the Matrix isn't what we thought it was. It looks like Unicron's horns in the last knight and it brought him back Pet Cemetary style :)
That actually makes a lot of sense
That sounds really and would have connected him a lot better is he was set up earlier.
Fighting for Millions of years would also take the full out of anyone. And Megatron got more aggressive over the Time so he maybe concluded that he must be stopped, don't hold back and protect only the innocent and his Teammates.
There really was so much potential with this franchise.
If the cgi wasn't so taxing (time wise and money wise)
And they got top tier writers
It could have been great.
Didn't half of the autobot die because they were basically written off?
The cgi wasn’t the problem for the transformers screen time it was the scripts and all of the scenes not being added in the movies because after reading the dotm novel there was definitely way more transformer screen time originally intended
Ngl most of the cases of him killing boil down to, “they’re literally out of they’re minds if I don’t end them they will kill me and then everyone else.
Upon rewatching the scene of Megs say "we Need a truce," I believe he was talking to Sentinel, as he immediately says right after, "All I wanted was to be back in charge." As he only helped prime with Sentinel because he was being subjugated and relegated to a servant rather than the leader he once was.
He has PTSD, especially during the time when humans were killing autobots
We should hail G1 for starting it all, but I personally think it is a bit stupid for people to compare the morals of a poorly animated 80s cartoon hero to this guy. The only thing they have in common is Hasbro used both solely to sell toys
I think him killing megatron is justified for the mere fact, literally every villain has done this, Joker, green goblin, Lex, Venom have all offered to rule the world with the hero but the difference is prime shut him done and killed the evil war lord megatron🤷🏾♂️
Their is another video that defends him and points out the moment that he broke during his fight with megatron in ROTF, he realized that if he doesn't kill them, they will take sam, kill him, and then the world. This leads him to brutally beat down Megatron, starscream, and grindor only killing Grindor. After that, he starts looking for sam only to be stabbed in the back, his spark destroyed. When he returned back to life, he was still in that moment, and after dying he lost that part of himself that held back. Which is why he brutally wounded Megatron and the fallen before crushing his spark in front of his own eyes.
I know I'm late to this but this video reminded me of another video explaining primes anger and animosity towards his, enemy his death and the last words he heard at the end of the forest fight might have impacted him to where he decided "enough was enough". So in my opinion Optimus took those words to heart and decided not to hold back anymore.
The scene with Sam at the start was unusually funny
He’s a psycho mostly because of awkward writing at worse. He has a similar issue to Kratos brutal yes but most of the time justified, both of them needed MAJOR therapy…. Something Kratos got
100% speaking the truth.
Sad we aren't going to get an old man Optimus movie where he raises his son Overload, and he has to protect mankind from the inhumanoids.
True Optimus in my eyes isnt a psychopath
When the decepticons killed way too many innocent people
And you forgot to explain the 3rd Movie Problem where people say optimus let the people of chicago to die by the decpeticons
When in reality it was the humans fault to tell the autobots to leave
And optimus follows the human leaders so that humans from all over the world wont die it was a hard choice either follow or more people besides in chicago will die
He's like a crusader knight. You think we are brutal now? Imagine back then when Melee weapons were the norm. Not ranged. And still, even then, we are always trying to hold out for the dream to be more than our struggles.
Thank you so much it is very hard to find someone else who knows that he is not a psychopath
Amazon did spoil the dark of the moon novel ending before the relase of the moon , it made Micael bay to change the ending to what we got
Finally someone who understands what he went through!! Everybody keeps saying he's a socio without realizing that ITS WAR that has been going on for hundreds of years.
G1 Prime had been fighting Megatron and the Decepticons for possibly millions of years, yet always remained the strong yet gentle and compassionate leader
@@badger_shorts7708 yeah... for a kids show. This is more of a realistic setting.
@@CaptainRacer4Real realistic or not, it's not who Prime is.
Even Peter Cullen has said that he doesn't like how Bay made Optimus Prime.
@@badger_shorts7708 'G1 Prime had been fighting Megatron and the Decepticons for possibly millions of years, yet always remained the strong yet gentle and compassionate leader'''
ahhh yeah G1 the goffy decetions that felt more like childrens.... ha....
@@badger_shorts7708
You seriously compare G1 Prime to Bayverse Prime. Thats another one part of the problem. People continue to compare Bayverse Prime to G1 Prime as if they should be THE EXACT SAME and ignoring that this is a completely different universe with a different take on Optimus.
Not every Optimus Prime in the Transformers franchise has too be the same.
A lot of people don’t realize that practically the remaining Decepticon forces were destroyed in the Chicago war. Killing Megatron essentially won the war as a whole. I understand your side of the argument, but I think Megatron had a death penalty the moment he brutally murdered Autobots on Cybertron. Keep in mind Megatron was a cannibalism and sociopathic killer. He literally killed just to kill; he enjoyed it, treated it as a sport even. This is easily identified with the hologram scene shown by Optimus, showing an unarmed Autobot attempting to run away and Megatron throws a spear and kills him without remorse, smiling and laughing afterwards. Megatron is not innocent and should never be given the chance to live, as he most certainly deserves the death penalty for his crimes.
People will get mad heroes dont kill but when optimus kills people call him insane
It’s the same thing for batman lol, Zack snyder’s adaption gets as much hate as bayverse prime simply for the fact he kills
Which is kinda Hypocritical of them lol
@@NBE-01_EDITZZCompletely different, Optimus is a soldier fighting in an actual war against basically space Nazis.
@@NBE-01_EDITZZ Snyder's Batman was garbage he kills people and spares Joker. Never let that moron cook again. At least Optimus kills Megatron.
@@NBE-01_EDITZZit’s different. Batman doesn’t kill because he’s a vigilante who fights a crime. Optimus is a hero soldier but he’s in a war.
I absolutely love how you call Cade Yeager Marky-Mark
First video I’ve seen of yours and I love the content already also finally someone defends bay prime
I really don't get why people call Optimus Prime a psychopath when that's literally not the case. The definition says that being one is being egocentric, antisocial, and having no remorse. None of these describe the Bayverse Optimus. People can dislike Optimus being violent but the weird thing is that they always glaze G1 and especially the G1 movie when Optimus was fully willing to execute Megatron in the first movie. So when he succeeds in doing it on Sentinel its a problem because its a war crime? Did they forget what he did earlier? What Sentinel did was a war crime too that's what the point of the movie is about. It's like they have to reach for straws when criticizing the movies. He was remorseful too after it did you not see his face after he shot Sentinel? Yes the stories and jokes can be abysmal like ROTF, AOE and especially TLK. You can dislike the designs, the explosions, the horniness, and the lack of screentime for the Transformers to express themselves as characters. But nitpicking Optimus Prime for being more violent than G1 when he was never a pacifist to begin with is stupid. People will bash Bayverse Optimus for being violent but G1 Optimus Prime's most iconic weapons were a gun and an axe. Those don't really seem like tools of friendship. G1 Optimus didn't hug his enemies until they stopped being evil he was willing to shoot them and he did it numerous times. The Decepticons aren't goofy bad guys that commit cartoony crimes. The Decepticons are the psychopaths. Not only that the Transformers are durable they don't die in one hit like a person would. So for a Decepticon to die it usually requires a hit to the head or over the top force. What's stupid is how when you argue with people who call Optimus a psychopath they act so smug about it like "Oh I don't really care also it gets funnier the more you whine about it". If you don't care then why are you talking about it? I really like Diamondbolt and JobbyTheHong but their recent videos on the movies are funny until they start yapping about how Optimus is a psychopath as if they haven't made the joke numerous times. It gets funnier the 100th time guys trust me. I guess making godlike videos and being hilarious doesn't exempt you from having dog water opinions
I think people say Optimus is a war criminal because of *how* he's killing, and not *why*... most of the time.
How does him defeating the Fallen not make him a psychopath after brutally murdering him and saying give me your face that's like if someone tried to shoot my mother and after defeating the criminal I said you will burn slowly and painfully just because I start trying to stop him doesn't mean I'm not a psychopath for saying that.
The Better Call Saul for Optimus prime💀
He's not a victim, he's a survivor
Wonderfully said
I'm sorry but I don't really don't see how give me your face can be used in a heroic way
I think that what it comes down to is that the autobots and Optimus are just way more brutal and violent than the Decepticons. It's been a while since I saw the movies, but I'm pretty sure the most brutal thing that Megatron has ever done was rip Jazz in half. And I can think of many events where Optimus does things equally as bad.
J Man,remember what megatron said to Optimus in the TF 2007 "Humans Don't Deserve to Live" this mean humans are not worth saving which eliminates transformers who protected them😢
“Finally some good fucking takes.“
Due to a never ending war against The Decepticons. Optimus has gotten to a physical point to where he's just has had enough. Years of endless war has lead his mind unstable. Prime isn't going to take this Decepticon War lightly, Maybe he had before his mind became wildly influenced by War. Due to countless killings of Decepticons caused Prime's metal brain to walk straight into an Endless Cycle. Optimus Prime did not became a maniac. He's been heavily influenced by endless war & killing. Then the cycle repeats itself.
all of the decisions he made i dont blame him even for killing Megatron bc ppl must understand that Megatron may have been getting tired of this war but he is also greedy as he is evil and evil beings have old habits that are hard to kill Optimus thought of that bc he knows him and how this person is and because of that he wasnt having it so he killed him hoping that no more pain would be inflicted on earth or on other worlds besides earth and cybertron the reason he killed him makes complete sense
prime is just trapped on a ship that is constantly getting attacked by sharks and is tired of just fending them off so one day prime said enough is enough and jumped in to the water to stop the shark attacks permanently because he realized that just fending them off ant going to end the war prime is just a broken leader just trying to keep his friends safe and the only way to do that is to kill the sharks from the water
People who think that Optimus is a too brutal on his enemies need to rewatch the scene in DOTM when the Decepticons invade Chicago. They are infinitely worse
Also by killing The Fallen, Optimus avenged his Ancient Prime Ancestors that the Fallen killed.
It's just hypocrisy that people are saying ROTB Optimus Prime is justified in killing Scourge Mortal Kombat style because he killed Bumblebee? And it's funny considering the fact that Bumblebee was resurrected later in the movie lol
Bayverse Optimus Prime also had plenty of reasons to be violent
Lost Jazz
Had to sacrifice his brother to save Earth
Was pressured to leave Earth
Got killed by Megatron
Lost Jolt, Arcee and Chromia
Lost the person he loved the most, Elita-1 (left on bad terms with each other as well)
Was lied to by the humans
Was betrayed by Sentinel Prime
Forced into leaving Earth
Lost Ironhide, The Twins and Que
Unwillingly killed his former leader and teacher
Betrayed by the humans, losing more Autobots in the process
Lost one of his oldest friends, Ratchet
Joshua Joyce told that he wasn't needed to defend Earth anymore
Captured by Lockdown and was told his creators wanted him back
Quintessa told that he caused Cybertron destruction
Quintessa brainwashed him, turning him into Nemesis Prime
Quintessa told that the planet he was defending was actually Unicron
Sure, he's done some violent things, but calling him "psycho-murderer" is a big stretch too far. The Bayverse Decepticons genuinely look like death machines and have negatively impacted both physically and mentally. Not a coincidence either that some of the brutal kills he's been involved in are regarded as some of the best scenes in the movies, even the franchise. And it's a new take on the character, and I like the idea of Optimus fuelled with rage by the war.
This is what I've always though about Optimus in the live action movies. I've never seen him as a murderer. I've always seen him as someone who has gone through war. Sure, him killing Megatron in dark of the moon was pretty brutal and unhinged, and although Megatron did offer a truce, I feel like Optimus thought Megatron must have been lying (although I still do agree with your point about Megatron being tired of the fighting). And with Sentinel, much like you said, he murdered one of his best friends in cold blood (that being Ironhide), and pretty much being one of the people who started the invasion of Chicago. I don't think that every version of Optimus must be this heroic character who can do no wrong like how people see him. This Optimus is probably a more realistic version of how he would act if he was a real person who has lived in years and years of war.
great video