Why Did Megatron Become Weaker After TF-1

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  • @MrInzombia
    @MrInzombia 3 года назад +8363

    I miss when megatron actually had the strength that made autobots shiver in fear. The megatron that ripped jazz in half like an insect

    • @no-mads21st23
      @no-mads21st23 3 года назад +265

      To me it's like ripping a good doggo apart

    • @Rexon49
      @Rexon49 2 года назад +389

      Jazz : You wanna piece with me ...you want a piece
      Megatron: No I want two

    • @anubismaat2813
      @anubismaat2813 2 года назад

      That was so stupid. No transformer is eating bullets to the face like that at point blank range.

    • @HyperionTrading
      @HyperionTrading 2 года назад +200

      The way the autobots said retreat when he arrived.

    • @randomdude5031
      @randomdude5031 2 года назад +50

      Yo that was dark

  • @vaper8824
    @vaper8824 4 года назад +7500

    I love how the writers also forgot Megatron was a gladiator and seasoned Veteran when it came to combat.

    • @rudyb9543
      @rudyb9543 3 года назад +758

      thats why i love that new transformers netflix series: war for cybertron ; they concentrate on how megatron had to fight his way up from the pits

    • @hourlylost
      @hourlylost 3 года назад +84

      EXACTLY!

    • @ayana6845
      @ayana6845 3 года назад +162

      FOR CYBERTRON BROTHERS AND SISTERS! DESTROY THE AUTOBOTS

    • @renzluigiaquino7608
      @renzluigiaquino7608 3 года назад +200

      @@ayana6845 I think it's safe to say that megatron is basically the general zod of transformers.

    • @acrazysheepdog1555
      @acrazysheepdog1555 3 года назад +94

      The writers and Michael Bay aren’t the same, Bay is the director, not the writer, and I think Bay’s the producer too, but I could be wrong.

  • @LegendaryDarkKnight602
    @LegendaryDarkKnight602 4 года назад +7128

    Michael Bay: Yeah, what he said.

  • @rgt6969
    @rgt6969 3 года назад +3553

    When an Autobot dies,
    Optimus: We have lost a true warrior
    When a Decepticon dies,
    *Megatron doesn't even care*

    • @yourtankhadastrokeandfckin7523
      @yourtankhadastrokeandfckin7523 3 года назад +33

      *Ive got morons on my team*

    • @Milo_Estobar
      @Milo_Estobar 3 года назад +185

      well... thats a villain for you...

    • @Koky-cu3pn
      @Koky-cu3pn 3 года назад +265

      Well he felt sad when he saw starscream’s head in tlk

    • @BlooMonkiMan
      @BlooMonkiMan 3 года назад +56

      @@Koky-cu3pn Did he though?

    • @RC_RZ
      @RC_RZ 2 года назад +162

      He felt sad for his Starscream in TLK

  • @damianl2308
    @damianl2308 3 года назад +3735

    "Why do you have a hole in your chest"?
    Megatron: Upgrades people,upgrades.

    • @alumlovescake
      @alumlovescake 3 года назад +74

      I can't tell if its a cindeidence or its the joke where Herb voice actor is the KSI guy

    • @chriscarpenter3370
      @chriscarpenter3370 3 года назад +22

      that's how we make the dough

    • @dareka9425
      @dareka9425 3 года назад +37

      Megatron should've upgraded his fingers with the energon sword chomping stuff. Not only he could shatter swords but also anything he can get his hands on.

    • @warriorsoftheuniverse5932
      @warriorsoftheuniverse5932 3 года назад +5

      Reference from the movie Robots

    • @herobrine8626
      @herobrine8626 3 года назад +2

      @@warriorsoftheuniverse5932 yeah i know

  • @creepykiller2876
    @creepykiller2876 2 года назад +2320

    Considering that Autobots were originally designed, by Primus, to be primarily scholars, medical workers, and generally fill more "aristocrat" type roles, while the bots that would become Decepticons were primarily manual labor, slaves, and gladiators, it makes sense that Megatron and the Decepticons would initially wipe the floor with The Primes and the Autobots.

    • @siouxperion9786
      @siouxperion9786 2 года назад +37

      Is that in the comics? I never read those 😔

    • @lust174
      @lust174 2 года назад +1

      @@siouxperion9786 it’s the main concept from transformers and the reason why they are at war. The deceptions want to be able to be more than just labor workers they are right in their fight yet prime has to exist to be a prime which is following the cause of the prime before him

    • @keepkauaiit3551
      @keepkauaiit3551 2 года назад +238

      @@siouxperion9786 yes. Int he original stories of transformers. Prime wasn’t always a prime and was known as Orion Pax a librarian and scholar of cybertron.

    • @oggdx
      @oggdx 2 года назад +163

      Athens vs Sparta

    • @RandomPerson-hd6wr
      @RandomPerson-hd6wr 2 года назад +63

      @@oggdx basically

  • @cgarciahfcu
    @cgarciahfcu 4 года назад +3867

    I appreciate your effort trying to make sense of the Bayformers. If only Michael Bay would've put that much effort.

    • @reillyontheradio
      @reillyontheradio 4 года назад +37

      Awesome vid dude love it

    • @harveyjennings3729
      @harveyjennings3729 4 года назад +126

      I know, right. Bay doesn't seem to understand the concept of continuity as it pertains to strength levels at all

    • @Theorymus
      @Theorymus  4 года назад +147

      Thanks

    • @FabiTheSnake
      @FabiTheSnake 4 года назад +83

      @@harveyjennings3729 Bay movies: the goal is to make them cool, not to make them have too much continuety.

    • @rogersingh261
      @rogersingh261 4 года назад +22

      Hope your dumbass knows that Bay doesn’t write these movies

  • @luppiantenor8269
    @luppiantenor8269 3 года назад +2293

    Tf1: MEGATRON
    Tf2: Meg
    Tf3: Meh
    TF4: Galvatron
    TF5: Megatron

    • @yuuyjaaj6721
      @yuuyjaaj6721 3 года назад +216

      Bumblebee movie: nowhere to be seen

    • @TheUncleSpiderX
      @TheUncleSpiderX 3 года назад +190

      Galvatron deadass left the final battle
      Which was pathetic

    • @marioandsonicmayham1461
      @marioandsonicmayham1461 3 года назад +35

      TF5 Megsis the strongest one

    • @samrat773
      @samrat773 3 года назад +33

      @@marioandsonicmayham1461watch the series first

    • @warryo82
      @warryo82 3 года назад +52

      @@marioandsonicmayham1461 megatron tf-1 is stronger because the strong rail gun and megatron was close to kill optimus untill... sam come to kill megatron

  • @Gio_my_hero
    @Gio_my_hero 4 года назад +785

    Megatron: whips everyone's ass around like ragdolls
    Some highschool senior with a magic box: *im about to ends this man's whole career*

    • @nish912
      @nish912 4 года назад +5

      Lol

    • @HarmonyOC
      @HarmonyOC 4 года назад +6

      It's a cube

    • @nish912
      @nish912 4 года назад +1

      @@HarmonyOC ok

    • @sounddoom5836
      @sounddoom5836 3 года назад +4

      @@HarmonyOC cube is just a fancy word for box

    • @HarmonyOC
      @HarmonyOC 3 года назад +1

      @@sounddoom5836 box you can open and put staff in it, you can't put anything in the cube

  • @MrPkamara
    @MrPkamara 4 года назад +3014

    “His whole right arm is bigger than his left” hmmm I wonder why 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @Theorymus
      @Theorymus  4 года назад +344

      😉

    • @nish912
      @nish912 4 года назад +198

      Wait megatron was build with that cannon right how can he have a another little arm when he has a big cannon
      Optimus:I wished I looked back on those years and megatron gave me a hug
      Megatron:I TRIED IDIOT

    • @proridzuan5462
      @proridzuan5462 4 года назад +60

      Dark mind

    • @poopfart69
      @poopfart69 4 года назад +86

      Megatron is meat beating

    • @takudach
      @takudach 4 года назад +41

      Wait a second-

  • @human287
    @human287 3 года назад +5253

    Can we admit, hate it or love it, transformers was apart of all our childhoods, and someday you will miss those Michael bay explosions

    • @RPbirdzz
      @RPbirdzz 3 года назад +30

      I barely watched them so...

    • @reconstructionwouldhavesav9472
      @reconstructionwouldhavesav9472 3 года назад +116

      You must be very young and were not around for the original Trsnsformers Cartoons if the Michael Bay version of transformers was part of your childhood.

    • @RPbirdzz
      @RPbirdzz 3 года назад +398

      @@reconstructionwouldhavesav9472 damn that gatekeeping is better than the royal guards could ever do

    • @phantom_thief_jk9859
      @phantom_thief_jk9859 3 года назад +60

      @@RPbirdzz fuck off normie everyone knows you can't enjoy the prestigious bayformers franchise without being a 7 year old I'm 2007. Jk that guy is an idiot for gatekeeping.

    • @quarantinegamer8269
      @quarantinegamer8269 3 года назад +62

      @@phantom_thief_jk9859 watching Transformers makes me nostalgic of the simpler times

  • @GojiBoiEarth1964
    @GojiBoiEarth1964 3 года назад +233

    TF1 Megatron: *was a threat; beats the crap out of Optimus; and ripped Jazz in half*
    Post-TF1 Megatron: *was a side antagonist; gets destroyed by Optimus; had to double team him and still got demolished*

    • @godzillagurus576
      @godzillagurus576 Год назад +7

      Also TF1 Megatron: *starts running like a baby when humans start shooting at him*

    • @Eradicator_MK666
      @Eradicator_MK666 Год назад +7

      ​@@godzillagurus576he run away it is because he wanted the allspark, and its because of his last word:"MINE ALLSPARK"

    • @dynamic6645
      @dynamic6645 11 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@godzillagurus576He took those hits like a boss, Optimus went down easily.

  • @treyrex5987
    @treyrex5987 4 года назад +848

    Honestly, I missed Megatron being like he was in TF 1. Such a badass and doesn't take any crap from nobody.

    • @jaredfetzer7041
      @jaredfetzer7041 4 года назад +77

      Me too because it was Megatron (excuse the pun) in his prime.

    • @treyrex5987
      @treyrex5987 4 года назад +31

      @@jaredfetzer7041 Yeah. I'm fine about the pun, made me chuckle a bit.

    • @Theorymus
      @Theorymus  4 года назад +85

      I had a joke like this in the script before i took it "... Megatron had to fight optimus in his prime..."

    • @treyrex5987
      @treyrex5987 4 года назад +18

      @@Theorymus My reaction probably would have been like this. "😑 to 😆"

    • @ethibodeaux7
      @ethibodeaux7 4 года назад +36

      Star scream was a savage too I loved the way he flew in on iornhide and ratchet

  • @quebec__12
    @quebec__12 4 года назад +1668

    Megatron needs to learn from Lockdown. less talking, more fighting.

    • @shubhammhashelkar6717
      @shubhammhashelkar6717 4 года назад +74

      lol, Megatron wants to have a chat with you

    • @W0LV1E45
      @W0LV1E45 4 года назад +87

      Its impossible for Megatron to avoid monologuing while fighting. Even TF Prime Megatron did that. Also G1 during their final fight.

    • @AdaptiveHerd6
      @AdaptiveHerd6 4 года назад +31

      Mostly starscream need to learn that alot

    • @sonyailona7650
      @sonyailona7650 4 года назад +13

      more like less yappin more blasting

    • @stingraytt330
      @stingraytt330 4 года назад +16

      Well Lockdown isn't a Decepticon.

  • @Cyberneticfrk
    @Cyberneticfrk 3 года назад +655

    A thing you forgot, in Revenge of the Fallen Megatron had extra weight in his legs as they were bigger and bulkier due to becoming a triple changer and having a tank alt mode. This slowed him down a lot more and it's noticeable when he kicks Optimus. The kick is rather slow and Optimus easily grabs his leg and stops the kick.

    • @reginaevans6973
      @reginaevans6973 2 года назад +49

      Yeah and he was THICK

    • @fiercelunarhavoc4627
      @fiercelunarhavoc4627 Год назад +4

      He doesn't stop the kick though?

    • @Synchronizado
      @Synchronizado Год назад +12

      @@fiercelunarhavoc4627 and it looked like one would think of as a "critical hit"

    • @hesiod_delta9209
      @hesiod_delta9209 Год назад +4

      The new parts went right to his thighs.

    • @william3100
      @william3100 2 месяца назад

      But it made him much more powerful! Megatron could've learned quickly and remember how to fight Optimus Prime. He could've used his weight and tank mode much more.

  • @xg835
    @xg835 3 года назад +188

    I like also how it’s kinda poetic that galvatron had a hole in his chest that can destroy things( like optimus’ blades). It’s sort of like his saying “try putting something in my chest now” in reference to tf1

    • @godzillagurus576
      @godzillagurus576 Год назад +12

      Galvatron to sam: try put the cube in my chest now, boi

    • @nicmagtaan1132
      @nicmagtaan1132 Год назад +4

      Bayverse Optimus likes to do headshots

    • @idksomeguy3294
      @idksomeguy3294 Год назад +6

      @@nicmagtaan1132 you can’t really make your head a massive hole tho

    • @madsteve6663
      @madsteve6663 6 месяцев назад

      Sauron be like: hmb​@@idksomeguy3294

    • @juanjoyaborja.3054
      @juanjoyaborja.3054 3 месяца назад

      @@idksomeguy3294 Twitter will disagree

  • @i_am_forever_alone
    @i_am_forever_alone 4 года назад +361

    "Who would you be without me, Prime ?"-Megatron

    • @Theorymus
      @Theorymus  4 года назад +99

      "Time to find out" -Optimus Prime

    • @ProbablyMartin
      @ProbablyMartin 4 года назад +44

      “Welp better leave”-
      Astrotrain

    • @optimusprime5199
      @optimusprime5199 4 года назад +27

      I already told him in 2011.

    • @keanusamuels1782
      @keanusamuels1782 4 года назад +15

      @@Theorymus (puts cool mask on)

    • @V1sr.vsp7330
      @V1sr.vsp7330 4 года назад +12

      Sentinal watching Prime kill megatron "WTF"

  • @RandomBlackGamer
    @RandomBlackGamer 4 года назад +2325

    This was an awesome explanation. I always wondered if it was the disproportion physique that made Megatron a little slower compared to his first form. As you said it makes more sense as to why he was more formidable once he got his TF4 & 5 forms.

    • @Theorymus
      @Theorymus  4 года назад +113

      Well I'm happy you enjoyed the video, stay safe out there RBG 👍

    • @RandomBlackGamer
      @RandomBlackGamer 4 года назад +74

      @@Theorymus Same to you man. Stay safe and keep up the good work.

    • @Tainted_Human
      @Tainted_Human 4 года назад +42

      Seeing some of my favourite RUclipsrs being just wholesome fuels me

    • @BJ-0007
      @BJ-0007 4 года назад +7

      i like your content

    • @Acidstormstudios
      @Acidstormstudios 3 года назад +7

      As always

  • @dknon853
    @dknon853 4 года назад +464

    The dudes who made the movie probably didn’t even think of this

    • @loukipp5469
      @loukipp5469 4 года назад +21

      Michael Gay

    • @Jamarvious_
      @Jamarvious_ 4 года назад +6

      Lou Kipp bruh😂😂

    • @pilkers2
      @pilkers2 4 года назад +12

      It can’t be a coincidence how this makes so much sense

    • @therumtummugger420
      @therumtummugger420 4 года назад +1

      Lou Kipp fuNnEY. gIve LIkE

    • @frozyre7854
      @frozyre7854 4 года назад

      It's because they were thinking: $$$$
      It shows because they've made 5 damn films of inconsistencies.

  • @AdamNoizer
    @AdamNoizer 3 года назад +1287

    I really enjoyed the movies and appreciate you trying to make sense of Michael Bay’s unexplained character design choices.
    I’d also add that it’s interesting how in the first movie, Megatron refuses to opt for a human vehicle, due to his pride and sticks with his cybertronian jet. Whereas by the third film, he has been reduced to a shell of his former self, ruling the deceptions from the shadows as a veiled truck in the desert.

    • @Theorymus
      @Theorymus  3 года назад +72

      Happy to help

    • @evanroberts2771
      @evanroberts2771 2 года назад +5

      @@Theorymus The correct answer is... the plot required it.

  • @archfxt3619
    @archfxt3619 4 года назад +561

    Yep , called it
    Megatron is like that one guy who is almost finished in uno , but then everybody after him pulls a 4+ chain and he takes the hit

  • @sluch2456
    @sluch2456 3 года назад +340

    "We were brothers once!"
    "Once"
    This hurt cuz Megatron really just wanted to go home

    • @SubarmanSolos
      @SubarmanSolos 3 года назад +12

      Which movie was it?
      I wanna rewatch every transformers movie 😁

    • @sluch2456
      @sluch2456 3 года назад +18

      @@SubarmanSolos The last knight, watch it last

    • @SubarmanSolos
      @SubarmanSolos 3 года назад +3

      @@sluch2456 thanks man

    • @itsemzee131
      @itsemzee131 3 года назад +13

      he wouldve survived the fall found unicron and unicron would heal him as long as he goes for quintessa with his dark energon infused armor

    • @yuuyjaaj6721
      @yuuyjaaj6721 3 года назад +3

      The last kday is still better than the last knight

  • @alexandratavares6612
    @alexandratavares6612 4 года назад +727

    TF1 was the only movie where Megatron was actually intimidating

    • @kylephillip6753
      @kylephillip6753 4 года назад +73

      I remeber being low key scarced of him as a kid

    • @2Leejah3
      @2Leejah3 4 года назад +41

      kyle phillip When I was little and young, Megatron was my favorite. When he got “killed” in the first one, I was crying to my dad that he got “killed.” But he just kept saying that Megatron will be back.

    • @omegagoat4818
      @omegagoat4818 4 года назад +39

      The only other villain that was kind of intimidating was Sentinal and it was only because he killed Ironhide

    • @just_2swift
      @just_2swift 4 года назад +22

      I SMELLL YOUUU!!!...... BOOOYYYYYYY!!!

    • @alexandratavares6612
      @alexandratavares6612 4 года назад +8

      @@just_2swift AAAGGGGRRRRRRRRRRR

  • @riptideanomy1024
    @riptideanomy1024 Год назад +36

    We need to give megatron a lot of credit since he was capable of going back to fighting Optimus after being dead for awhile. Not everyone gets a second chance, and to risk getting killed again with a new body that he hadn’t gotten used to yet is impressive.

  • @melaniebryson2796
    @melaniebryson2796 4 года назад +231

    "He decides to open up his arms for a hug"
    Lmao😂😂😂😂😂

    • @suleyman9199
      @suleyman9199 4 года назад +21

      "And then he get S L A P P."

    • @RozayaTheCrashout
      @RozayaTheCrashout 4 года назад +2

      @@suleyman9199 nah boi he got smack and brought back a big mac from macdonals thats what the ogs say

    • @suleyman9199
      @suleyman9199 4 года назад +2

      @@RozayaTheCrashout lol

    • @Man_Aslume
      @Man_Aslume 2 месяца назад

      "Can we hug it out?"

  • @diaz5077
    @diaz5077 4 года назад +228

    the title should be optimus throws uno reverse card on megatron

  • @dc-vengance5630
    @dc-vengance5630 3 года назад +690

    I think that In tf3, Megatron was still able to dish out insane amounts of damage which you can see when he wrecks sentinel, his issue was that he couldn’t take much damage

    • @rhysbuxton4437
      @rhysbuxton4437 2 года назад +85

      So he is a glass cannon

    • @blyat8832
      @blyat8832 2 года назад +36

      @@rhysbuxton4437 no, he was weakened after tf2 and was having repairs done on him at the same time throughout the films he couldn't really do anything unless it really mattered

    • @rhysbuxton4437
      @rhysbuxton4437 2 года назад +42

      @@blyat8832 so the most situational glass cannon because in the right circumstances he can do lots of damage but is really easy to take down and when he needed to fight it could have been his last one so he gives it his all

    • @Kaotic_real
      @Kaotic_real 2 года назад +8

      @@rhysbuxton4437 I was literally about to say that lol

    • @TheJonbonesjones
      @TheJonbonesjones 2 года назад +19

      He wrecks sentinel cause he cheap shorted him multiple times in the back lol. Sentinel would have wrecked him in a fair fight

  • @hesiod_delta9209
    @hesiod_delta9209 2 года назад +32

    The Mission city battle was when Optimus realized he needed to arm and train himself for fighting. That's why he took a sudden leap forward in combat effectiveness. This caught Megatron off guard while he was already in a vulnerable state.

  • @quietone2674
    @quietone2674 4 года назад +575

    I'd always thought that the reason he got weaker in 2 and 3 was tied to his resurrection. His body was dropped into the Marianas Trench after the first movie, exposed to the highest pressures on earth as well as salt water and possibly thermal vents. Salt water is *not* good for metal. Combine that with the fact that another Decepticon had to be killed for spare parts, and Megatron is basically a Frankenstein's monster made of corpses. Jetfire in 2 established that age did affect the Transformers, causing them to rust and slowly fall apart. Megatron in Fallen and Dark of the Moon was basically rotting during those movies. It wasn't just weight distribution. His structural integrity was compromised because he was a walking corpse.
    Was my interpretation anyway.

    • @ApertureDragon
      @ApertureDragon 4 года назад +43

      I can see that being true

    • @iimduu9287
      @iimduu9287 4 года назад +36

      Your idea is spot on I felt the same way

    • @greasypriest5137
      @greasypriest5137 4 года назад +39

      I don't think Bay had the brain capacity for this😂

    • @asu2913
      @asu2913 4 года назад +8

      Oh my god!! Dude you make a huge sense👍

    • @BlooMonkiMan
      @BlooMonkiMan 4 года назад +7

      Even so, they age probably a million times slower than humans

  • @ProbablyHungryy
    @ProbablyHungryy 4 года назад +2135

    I feel like that a name like “Trans theories” is not what you think it means

    • @Theorymus
      @Theorymus  4 года назад +426

      Its become too popular to change

    • @spin.chicken
      @spin.chicken 4 года назад +101

      @@Theorymus you have 60k subscribers, it is by no means "too popular" to change. Get off your high horse. A Rocket League RUclipsr changed his name from JHZER to JZR, while the change is subtle it is still a change and he has approximately ten times the subscribers as you. You can easily adopt the same type of change. "Transformers Theories", "Transitive Theories", "TT" or some other thing of a correlating name/meaning. Changing your name doesn't change your channel in the slightest. People will figure out who you are once they hear your voice, assuming they're a regular viewer. If they're brand new to the channel then changing your name won't matter as they are not accustom to any name yet.
      Just say "I'm too lazy to bother" as that is way more applicable than "it's too popular" because that excuse is bullshit.

    • @rayyisbaee9132
      @rayyisbaee9132 4 года назад +258

      @@spin.chicken his name is fine if he dont want to he dont have to

    • @nakiah7987
      @nakiah7987 4 года назад +77

      Spin It Like A Chicken I think he’s joking.

    • @ProbablyHungryy
      @ProbablyHungryy 4 года назад +86

      Spin It Like A Chicken woah chill lol

  • @michelle057
    @michelle057 4 года назад +469

    Megatron just doesn’t wanna kill his dear baby optimus

  • @TimaeusEXE
    @TimaeusEXE 2 года назад +87

    Prime also was holding back because he wasn't sure he could bring himself to kill Megatron. He says "You left me no choice brother" he and Megs were very close so it's pretty in character for him to hold back.

    • @richiebob5477
      @richiebob5477 7 месяцев назад +4

      I highly disagree if megatron got a hold of the Allspark the human race would be wiped out, the Autobots would’ve lost and the Decepticons would rule the universe, Optimus just got dominated as 07 megatron was too op, he was toying with Optimus and was beating him, when Optimus landed hits megatron just used prime’s own momentum against him, Megatron in tf1 is the best, he’s animalistic brutal and he is strategic, they also flew through a full building killing everybody inside.

    • @TimaeusEXE
      @TimaeusEXE 7 месяцев назад

      @@richiebob5477 again Prime was clearly holding back the entire fight. He barely threw any punches. His voice of regret at the end shows that he didn't want Megatron to die. He was willing to die himself before Megatron to save everyone.

    • @richiebob5477
      @richiebob5477 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@TimaeusEXE He wasn’t, he was nowhere near megatrons power, prime only won in the other movies is megatron was too weakened

    • @TimaeusEXE
      @TimaeusEXE 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@richiebob5477 he wasn't weakened in ROTF. He wasn't Weakened in TLK.
      Prime wasn't weak, **again** he was holding back the entire fight on the first movie. He was literally suplexing megs in all the other movies because he wasn't holding back then.

    • @richiebob5477
      @richiebob5477 6 месяцев назад +3

      @@TimaeusEXE 🤣 bro us delusional

  • @wat1614
    @wat1614 4 года назад +321

    My theory is that megatron is copying Optimus
    In the third movie he chose a truck mode like Optimus
    In the fourth movie he revived like Optimus
    Im the fifth movie he got a knight body like Optimus

    • @AquawindxOP
      @AquawindxOP 4 года назад +28

      So meg is being an OP poser😂😂

    • @elijahblechman8633
      @elijahblechman8633 4 года назад +12

      I think it's to show how blurred the lines are

    • @nish912
      @nish912 4 года назад +8

      The thing I only loved about megatron in the tlk is he had a mask like optimus

    • @ThiccFurryBoi34
      @ThiccFurryBoi34 4 года назад +3

      TheHoodedHood he also copied his blade weapon

    • @cureofcoronavirus6460
      @cureofcoronavirus6460 4 года назад +4

      Well megatron is a copycat

  • @she-venom9842
    @she-venom9842 4 года назад +112

    He still cared for his home as always does do anything to save his home even in bad way

  • @buffor-664
    @buffor-664 4 года назад +551

    When Optimus kills grindor, he says "No prime please no"

    • @buffor-664
      @buffor-664 4 года назад +94

      I lied he says "*halo elite gargles*"

    • @giannis_toupolemou
      @giannis_toupolemou 4 года назад +91

      @Forest Dump no he does say "no prime" while optimus was climbing his tall body. Followed by, "please" just before optimus planted both hooks on his face. And finally, "Noooo!" While getting his face torn in half.

    • @lombe-andrewmusonda17
      @lombe-andrewmusonda17 4 года назад +23

      @@giannis_toupolemou true
      I saw that scene yesterday and I was mind blown

    • @Hayden_tdd
      @Hayden_tdd 4 года назад +9

      Even more violent then me

    • @Hayden_tdd
      @Hayden_tdd 4 года назад +2

      Who dares

  • @raphaeldagamer
    @raphaeldagamer Год назад +18

    As an accompanying note on Galvatron's design, KSI advertised Stinger as more advanced than Bumblebee, but no such advertising was shown for Galvatron, but his alt-mode, a Freightliner Argosy, is the direct successor to the Freightliner FLA series of Cab Over Engine trucks, which just so happens to be the series of trucks that Optimus Prime's alt-mode in G1 came from.

  • @mohamedbaradji7504
    @mohamedbaradji7504 3 года назад +2006

    I feel like people forgot that when Megatron was revived they used other parts to replace his damaged ones and in TF3 he was weak due to being mortally wounded in TF2. Optimus Prime the entire time got stronger and newer weapons. It’s not Michael Bay and plot holes, it’s us not paying attention.

    • @BlessedOrri
      @BlessedOrri 2 года назад +85

      Facts.

    • @frosta1184
      @frosta1184 2 года назад +63

      True as heck

    • @amoghsawant3801
      @amoghsawant3801 2 года назад +12

      Tf5

    • @thesupernaturals1070
      @thesupernaturals1070 2 года назад +207

      Michael Bay: "uuuuum yeeeeaah...Yep that was the reason. You folks just need to pay more attention"

    • @thesnipersmith3436
      @thesnipersmith3436 2 года назад +40

      Thank you, glad to see some fans use more common sense rather than jumping to conclusions without thinking much

  • @regvidaglazauskiene502
    @regvidaglazauskiene502 3 года назад +216

    MEGATRON in TF-1 was a SAVAGE.

    • @Mythowars
      @Mythowars 2 года назад

      I wish he would’ve eaten jazz’s spark after ripping him in two

    • @parkertitle1923
      @parkertitle1923 2 года назад +1

      TF-3 i need to stop destroying the scalpel units.

    • @reginaevans6973
      @reginaevans6973 2 года назад +2

      TF-4 I need a army

    • @reginaevans6973
      @reginaevans6973 2 года назад +1

      TF-5 I need Cybertron

  • @dimitri_tsm
    @dimitri_tsm 4 года назад +62

    "Optimus caught him off guard monologuing"
    Ah, Classic Megatron

  • @jakehudson7118
    @jakehudson7118 Год назад +40

    The best Megatron design has to be TF5, he looks so badass and puts the fear back in him

  • @ProbablyMartin
    @ProbablyMartin 4 года назад +140

    2:53 : megaton opens his arms up to optimus for a hug.
    Megatron;We we’re brothers once.
    Optimus: once.
    *slash*

    • @exauproductions739
      @exauproductions739 4 года назад +3

      😂

    • @blitzhd_8494
      @blitzhd_8494 4 года назад +5

      Wonder if he was trying to slash Prime vertically but had trouble lifting the arm up

    • @justaguywithagoodphoto4801
      @justaguywithagoodphoto4801 4 года назад +1

      BlitzHD _ tbh that would make sense that look at that thing on his should that thing looks more like a disadvantage then an advantage

    • @blitzhd_8494
      @blitzhd_8494 4 года назад +1

      @@justaguywithagoodphoto4801 If he manages to bring it down on Prime it would probably deal massive amounts of damage
      But it's not worth the weight

    • @justaguywithagoodphoto4801
      @justaguywithagoodphoto4801 4 года назад

      BlitzHD _ tbh i don’t think he could do it on prime unless he had the element of surprise which would be difficult since most of the time optimus is with the autobots
      And since he’s a brawler it would be much easier if he could use the sword on optimus instead of the shoulder pad

  • @eggoryheffley7569
    @eggoryheffley7569 4 года назад +289

    Who would win
    An OP gigantic robot that lead to his planet’s downfall, tossed his arch-nemesis around like a ragdoll, tore an Autobot in half and literally destroyed everything in his way
    Or
    An ordinary teenager and the magic Rubik’s Cube the gigantic robot was looking for

    • @eggoryheffley7569
      @eggoryheffley7569 4 года назад +3

      Esteban Herrera Jr. hahaha. You knew it

    • @TheGreatMeme
      @TheGreatMeme 4 года назад +5

      *never underestimate a Rubik's cube.*

    • @eggoryheffley7569
      @eggoryheffley7569 4 года назад +1

      TheGreatMeme Gaming hehe

    • @justinhansen9355
      @justinhansen9355 4 года назад

      I’m dying

    • @chief5604
      @chief5604 4 года назад +1

      I’ll say Michael Bay with no explanations kust letting you die instantly

  • @Emperorparubo
    @Emperorparubo 4 года назад +296

    HE'S BACK, HE'S ALIVE
    TRANS THEORIES IS HERE!!!!

    • @noobasaurusrex105
      @noobasaurusrex105 4 года назад +3

      We got your theory and we’re here

    • @Arkhamman2023
      @Arkhamman2023 4 года назад +3

      Trans Theories is always alive and well. Unlike some other bayverse autobots...

    • @admiralpotato9895
      @admiralpotato9895 4 года назад +2

      He is just taking good time to make original and fact filled transformers videos

    • @Gopter2901
      @Gopter2901 4 года назад +2

      The Return of the King!

    • @steven_miles5545
      @steven_miles5545 4 года назад +1

      Hell yeah!
      Boom time!
      We got the gang back together!

  • @LegendzPlushStudios
    @LegendzPlushStudios 2 года назад +22

    I really like how in details, you notice in TF2 final battle Megatron slowly walking at Optimus and getting his own gun turned against him not doing anything to stop it, because he’s practically disabled in a body not fully his

  • @landon6702
    @landon6702 4 года назад +215

    Let’s be honest plot armor was to strong for even megs to handle

  • @stevenneese2823
    @stevenneese2823 4 года назад +525

    Optimus has never been as big or strong as megatron. Megatron has always overpowered Optimus. However, Optimus was faster, more agile, and smarter than megatron. His battle strategy was much better than megatron's, as like you said, he was a brawler. I think that what we see as the series goes on is Optimus consistantly adjusting his battle strategy, and using his speed to outclass megatron. At no point through any of the films did Optimus ever over power megatron except when combined with jetfire. He only out classes/outsmarts him, after taking many hard overpowering blows. Optimus was a scientist and a prime after all. However, his body degradation sure looks like it plays a role after watching your video.

    • @Myogafarhan
      @Myogafarhan 4 года назад +24

      In my opinion Megatron is not weak but optimus who starts to get used to the earth and optimus always loses when fighting in the city because he wants to save humans, if in TF 2 why doesn't he hold back even though there is Sam, because he is cornered then that is the last choice to protect Sam and he is also really angry and if when fighting Galvatron, Optimus is protecting Tessa and Optimus doesn't need to give all his abilities. So the megatron is not becoming weak but optimus is evolve faster.
      Sorry bad english

    • @benbob9759
      @benbob9759 4 года назад +7

      Bro what are u talking about he literally killed megatron in tf3. And wouldve killed him in tf2 if he didnt have help

    • @Myogafarhan
      @Myogafarhan 4 года назад +13

      @@benbob9759
      I have already said that the optimus is getting stronger, not the megatron that is getting weaker

    • @envious40
      @envious40 4 года назад +14

      Optimus is stronger and more faced in combat although megatron can withstand more hits and blasts and has more armor. It might seem that megatron is stronger because he always beats prime but that is false prime has to protect the humans and fight off the decipticons it’s like he’s protecting and fighting at the same time. Prime would risk his life to save the humans

    • @benbob9759
      @benbob9759 4 года назад +2

      @@Myogafarhan i didnt reply to you

  • @opopp6240
    @opopp6240 4 года назад +67

    3:00 you can kinda see Megatron push Starscream out of his way

    • @mift4865
      @mift4865 3 года назад +2

      Now that explains y he was aiming so long

    • @jacobdubois7940
      @jacobdubois7940 3 года назад +3

      Yup and it explains why starscream fell

  • @Deadput
    @Deadput 3 года назад +87

    For his Revenge of the Fallen/Dark of the Moon form, besides what you said about lack of experience in that body my theory is that his actual body was weakened since as we know his second body was made using what was left of his first form in combination with other Decepticon parts.
    His original body was left in the bottom of the ocean for a couple of years which might of been rusting/wearing down the body, in combination the donated parts that were used to rebuilt him came from a Constructicon (Little One/Scrapmetal) who was likely on the weaker end with how easily/fast the other Constructicons turned on him as well as potentially the other dead 2007 cons that were also at the bottom of the ocean.
    I think him taking up the shotgun in DOTM was a combination of what you said and due to the fact that he lost his ROTF fusion cannon due to the arm being chopped off, so it was likely both easier and more convenient to build a handheld fire arm over another integrated weapon as well as being better suited for Megatron's preferred fighting style.
    In general Megatron's body in ROTF/DOTM left him somewhat crippled and the Decepticons were too starved of resources and equipment to properly rebuild him to full capacity, so him being able to get a fresh new body from KSI was a dream opportunity for him.

    • @thecommentguy9380
      @thecommentguy9380 2 года назад +15

      Megatron not even an hour after waking up with a KSI body and he already started racking up body count. You can tell just how excited he was getting a well functioning body

    • @nachonaitor5535
      @nachonaitor5535 8 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@thecommentguy9380even was trying to speedrun the conquer Planet thing

    • @thecommentguy9380
      @thecommentguy9380 8 месяцев назад +3

      @@nachonaitor5535 Prime was lucky Megatron dipped, because imagine having to fight him in a near indestructable body

  • @BonnCanlasGaming45
    @BonnCanlasGaming45 4 года назад +38

    Micheal Bay: Megatron, I'm gon'na give you a cooler design, but for a price.
    Megatron: Great, what price?
    Micheal Bay: Your strength

  • @MaelztromProductions
    @MaelztromProductions 4 года назад +79

    You know, you pointing things out like how the megatron fights scene in transformers 5 being an homage to the fight scene in rotf but he learned from his mistakes, is the type of thing that makes me realise that there was a little more thought being put in these movies than we originally believed. So micheal bay should be praising you for lowering the amount of hate we give him.

    • @АнуЖин-п8ц
      @АнуЖин-п8ц 4 года назад +7

      sometimes i wonder, do we hate him just because he didnt make movie we wanted. all we had was comics and animated series, but live action is very different than both media. of course the movie will be 99% cgi, but for the movie to work human character is needed.

    • @adawnicusautocon
      @adawnicusautocon 4 года назад

      You may have a point, I don't necessarily hate the movie. But I understand why so many people are mad about it

    • @MaelztromProductions
      @MaelztromProductions 4 года назад +4

      I don't think we hated the movies because they weren't like g1, because by the first bayformers movie there were many variations already. I thunk we just disliked what he did. He didn't put enough money towards the writing so we had a jumbled mess of a franchise, but thanks to trans theories, we can see the story a bit better.

    • @adawnicusautocon
      @adawnicusautocon 4 года назад

      @@MaelztromProductions Yeah, that's actually my reason why hes screwed up transformers, he messed up the plot, but he also added too much humans and i don't know if there was any development

    • @Nicho_Cheesy
      @Nicho_Cheesy 4 года назад

      Adawnicus E. I enjoyed the movies a lot. I'm simple, I don't care for story or plot, I just want to see badass robots fighting each other and causing explosions. I feel like that's what Michael Bay was trying to do as well. He doesn't necessarily want to appeal to an audience who wants a story, he wants to appeal to an audience that just like badass shit. People like me, so to me the transformers movies are fucking awesome.

  • @anxiousearth680
    @anxiousearth680 4 года назад +133

    1:04 Is it really safe to say though? Even in the forrest battle, Optimus is not defeated because he was an inferior fighter but because of enemy tactics and numbers. Same goes for Megatron's first death. He didn't do badly but was taken off guard.
    A war is not a duel between two people. So using Cybertron's fall as an argument to Optimus being weaker does not work.

    • @pursuedcomic3
      @pursuedcomic3 2 года назад +15

      More than that, it was directly his concern for Sam that caused him to slow for a moment and lower his guard, which is all it took.

    • @kingdicehoi4lubu746
      @kingdicehoi4lubu746 Год назад +3

      I believe the assumption comes much more from the fact that he is willing to sacrifice himself before the battle even stsrts showing he is not confident in his ability to win alone with Megatron

  • @ArtistNotFound123
    @ArtistNotFound123 3 года назад +96

    A lot of great points made, I especially like the idea that Megatron was controlling Galvatrons design despite the scientists efforts to make it look like Optimus, it makes sense why because it more resembles his original form. Nice explanation.

  • @CtefoxZeus
    @CtefoxZeus 4 года назад +656

    Bay-verse were awesome upto TF3. After that, it became like a trash series. The bots designs, the story line, the time line, all over the places.

    • @dedi6787
      @dedi6787 4 года назад +70

      Yes
      *The good old golden original trilogy*

    • @julietbengulo3086
      @julietbengulo3086 3 года назад +48

      Yeah the more humanoid design kinda bothers me

    • @jamesonschaltzdm4476
      @jamesonschaltzdm4476 3 года назад +63

      I feel you M8
      At the 1st to 3rd film
      Optimus said that the Cube was the one who created them
      But when it comes to the 4th and 5th everything changed
      Optimis now said that "Quinntessa" was their creator
      and that the Medieval People 1st encointered the Transformers
      If you compare it to the 1st film
      Optimus said that Sam Witwicky's grandfather was the One who 1st encountered a transformer (Megatron).
      He clearly said "It was an accident that Entertwined our Fates"
      The 5h movie was clearly rushed
      they didn't expalin everything on why Galvatron turned back into Megatron.

    • @bluepineapple4396
      @bluepineapple4396 3 года назад +14

      Though admittedly I do like megatrons tf5 design

    • @snusemcgoose1001
      @snusemcgoose1001 3 года назад +15

      One thing I don’t see anybody mention is when they kill decepticons in the later movies, like robot “blood” shoots out which I think is just stupid, it was way cooler in TF2 when sideswipe killed barricade and sliced through him and a bunch of nuts and bolts came out

  • @KANIKAINDAHUNCHO
    @KANIKAINDAHUNCHO 3 года назад +397

    I personally think that Prime was indeed holding back in the first film, it was pretty obvious because he wanted to sacrifice himself to end the war, that was his goal for that battle. In ROTF you could see how he fought as he was pissed that Megatron was revived so he was really in a fighting mode.

    • @enzoreysameon9624
      @enzoreysameon9624 2 года назад +24

      its because due to megatrons new body giving him a disadvantage and for optimus new training

    • @KANIKAINDAHUNCHO
      @KANIKAINDAHUNCHO 2 года назад +3

      @@enzoreysameon9624 true💯

    • @dariusbrock2713
      @dariusbrock2713 2 года назад +45

      He couldve easily thought of shoving the cube into Megatron's chest himself, but I'm sure he didn't even want to kill Megatron because he still considered him a friend. He was even a bit sad when Sam killed Megatron and he bends over and says "You left me no choice, brother"

    • @Alexgodofwar5662
      @Alexgodofwar5662 2 года назад +2

      @@enzoreysameon9624 what new body it was always the same

    • @NiCoNiCoNiCola
      @NiCoNiCoNiCola 2 года назад +21

      @@dariusbrock2713 Optimus basically went "Friendship ended with Megatron. Now Sam is my best friend." after TF 2007

  • @dr_drago
    @dr_drago 4 года назад +59

    I also thought the "Optimus was holding back" argument for the first film was sort of valid, but limited. The very fact that he was willing to undergo such a drastic measure to stop Megatron (committing suicide by pushing the Allspark into his own chest), both when planning and in the end of the final battle, shows you how desperate he was. Why would he choose such a drastic measure before simply fighting back harder (and still trying to be as careful as he can with the humans still in the city)?

    • @diavora
      @diavora 4 года назад +7

      Why holding back with the risk of lose the fight and guaranteed the humanity to the damnation?

    • @dr_drago
      @dr_drago 4 года назад +5

      @@diavora Exactly, that's my point.

    • @drfatcat6559
      @drfatcat6559 4 года назад

      I think it was when they lost cybertron

    • @arctixanarchy8908
      @arctixanarchy8908 4 года назад

      Daniel Hong he didn’t want to take such a monumental risk if it wasn’t on a planet he was a guest on he would have but him and megatron fought together for ages before choosing their sides and stands to reason they would know each others combat techniques and prime also hasn’t been seen to have any training ever while on earth just what he got on cybertron and primes are amongst the most powerful beings on cybertron and their combat is unrivalled but they aren’t fighters at least prime doesn’t like to just resort to that Michal did him dirty in that the best representation of prime I’ve seen is from the transformers tv show transformers prime

    • @dr_drago
      @dr_drago 4 года назад

      @@arctixanarchy8908 I'm sorry, I'm not entirely sure what your overarching point is here. I'm not usually one to be a stickler on sentence structure on the Internet, but your complete lack of punctuation makes it very difficult for me to distinguish between one possible point and another.

  • @ls89swe
    @ls89swe 3 года назад +93

    A good theory could also be that on earth Optimus did some digging in human martial arts and warfare and "downloaded" as much as he could. If there is one thing we humans excels at its to make up ways to deliver alot of hurt

    • @dariusbrock2713
      @dariusbrock2713 2 года назад +12

      I dont think he needs human martial arts lol. He has a few million years of combat experience and his from a much much older and advanced race than humanity.

    • @kaelenkerr3509
      @kaelenkerr3509 2 года назад +5

      @@dariusbrock2713 The 2007 movie proves otherwise

    • @kyzersoze8408
      @kyzersoze8408 2 года назад +1

      @@dariusbrock2713 compare his 07 fighting style and ROTF fighting style.

    • @jmb47kkamikaze80
      @jmb47kkamikaze80 Год назад +2

      @@dariusbrock2713 no I do think he looked into human material arts .he was a noobe when he came to earth after all he didn't complete his training.
      Another reason why the theory makes sense is Optimus is the only who fight like a human cracked on cocaine primal style even t1 Megatron didn't show any of this savagery Optimus now possesses.
      In t5 he was even more of a menace he would have slaughtered all the knight if bumblebee didn't bring him back to his real self.

    • @dariusbrock2713
      @dariusbrock2713 Год назад +4

      @@kyzersoze8408 in 07 he was fighting in streets with people. He had to be careful. In open ground, he was kicking ass. Destroyed Bonecrusher in 10 seconds.

  • @amirulmustaqim2883
    @amirulmustaqim2883 4 года назад +140

    The weakest Megatron is on DOTM movie, doesn't feel his a super villian

    • @racetoria3069
      @racetoria3069 4 года назад +21

      coming into dotm megatron got hes ass kick twice already. so him being all clunky,weak and rusty makes sense ^^
      TLK is horrendous , bay complete ignored megatron's upgraded body in AOE... i think they just change it 4 no reason whatsoever so that they could sell new megatron designed toys... $$$

    • @Boldipie
      @Boldipie 4 года назад +17

      He’s barely in the goddamn movie, I hate how he’s shoved to the side in the last 4 movies. He was genuinely terrifying in the 07 film, he just made you constantly think the Autobots were going to lose. In the later movies he is swapped out for mindless, weak, and sh*tty Megatron. And then they bring in these other mindless main villains (only one I like is Lockdown since he has a similar scare factor to that of TF1 Megatron). They ruined Megatron just after 1 movie, what a shame.

    • @mooingsage8138
      @mooingsage8138 4 года назад

      Weakest? He defeated Sentinel before Optimus killed him and Sentinel

    • @racetoria3069
      @racetoria3069 4 года назад

      @@mooingsage8138 he backstabbed sentinel, it wasnt a straight fight,so megatron won.. we wont know who would win in a face to face fight.. since he is portrayed as constantly being fixed in dotm,so assuming he s weak is a good point i guess.

    • @juanjoyaborja.3054
      @juanjoyaborja.3054 3 месяца назад

      @@racetoria3069 Optimus couldn't dent Sentinel with his energon blades, meanwhile Megatron tore Sentinel apart with just his kicks and scratches, it was clearly very inconsistent with how weak they made Megatron out to be

  • @TonyJaaFan1587
    @TonyJaaFan1587 4 года назад +84

    Who agrees with me that Hugo weaving was the best voice for the movie version of Megatron

  • @ameyabhargava7483
    @ameyabhargava7483 3 года назад +38

    I honestly think the Optimus vs galvatron battle is what we should’ve gotten in the first movie. Optimus and megatron should’ve been equals as that can provide the most suspense in a fight in my opinion

  • @leaderunith4l324
    @leaderunith4l324 2 года назад +18

    Megaton does have some experience with blades considering he was a gladiator in Kaon before the war, but I don’t think he’s ever had to seriously fight with one in millions of years, so he’s probably just extremely rusty with them

  • @sideswipe696
    @sideswipe696 4 года назад +24

    Great video Trans and well said!
    After Megatron got revived he had no experience with his new body and because of that he wasn't really good at combat.He wasn't anywhere near his TF1 performance,and the weight distribution issue made him even more vulnerable in hand to hand attacks,if megatron hadn't had his backup then he would get destroyed by Prime.

    • @lymie9155
      @lymie9155 4 года назад +2

      Also, don't forget that his original body from TF1 was built with some of the strongest materials and had a very sturdy exoskeleton to withstand attacks at close range since he presumably a brawler. In TF2 his minions just grabbed whatever scraps and shit they could find and cobbled him together.

  • @jjgee6505
    @jjgee6505 4 года назад +85

    Im going to make my honest opinion I think trans theories is the best Transformer RUclipsr ever

  • @puffpuffpassmako
    @puffpuffpassmako 4 года назад +380

    I always thought it was cause after 1, Megatron's body was slowly degrading from then on. In 2, he was dropped into the Marianas trench and rotted away. So he needed pre owned parts, which took getting used to. Megatron lost all his upgrades, his weapons, everything. All the rotting and use of pre owned parts weakened him. And in Dark of the Moon, he's missing half his face. He even has bugs eating away at it, which is a clear reference to the human skin eating condition: gangrene. He had to wear a cloak to hide and protect the open wound, and since he didn't have the allspark he couldn't repair it. So not only does he have rot, barely any original parts, now he has an infection eating away at him. Then in AOE and TLK he was repaired from the ground up. First the transformium enhancement, then Quintessa giving him a more upgraded version of his original body

    • @thechunky1ne
      @thechunky1ne 3 года назад +96

      You said a couple of things wrong, he was dropped in the laurentian abyss, not marianas trench. And those “bugs” were scalpel clones trying to fix him, not eat away at his face.

    • @strelis6615
      @strelis6615 3 года назад +44

      and he just kills those scalpel clones while he’s talking to soundwave in tf3

    • @thearnorianruby4681
      @thearnorianruby4681 3 года назад +14

      Actually, the "bugs" are actually tiny Decepticons doctors that are "REPAIRING" him.

    • @RC_RZ
      @RC_RZ 2 года назад +9

      Well the bugs are fixing him

    • @Anonymous-pq1tx
      @Anonymous-pq1tx 2 года назад

      Wrong

  • @OfficialNeonSky
    @OfficialNeonSky 2 года назад +16

    His Galvatron form felt most comfy to him as it very much fitted his style of combat

  • @xxgamingbest5865
    @xxgamingbest5865 4 года назад +397

    Megatron : bro i double crossed a prime and potentially saved you, we good?
    Optimus : Nah bro
    Megatron : come again?

    • @ironberzerk515
      @ironberzerk515 4 года назад +37

      U stabbed me in the back in tf2

    • @pakkasaurus
      @pakkasaurus 4 года назад +9

      iron berzerk team fortress 2 was a harsh time for optimus

    • @TheBreadMan25
      @TheBreadMan25 4 года назад +12

      I like how tf2 can both refer to team fortress 2 AND transformers 2. Plus, both have somebody getting stabbed in the back XD

    • @jjpelaez1733
      @jjpelaez1733 4 года назад +9

      You killed my brothers and killed our planet the fuck you mean we good

    • @obi-wanpepproni3576
      @obi-wanpepproni3576 4 года назад +12

      in the novel prime spares him as long as he never comes to earth again

  • @preator_vallum6377
    @preator_vallum6377 4 года назад +458

    "Trans Theories"
    Does.. does no one else see the humor here?

    • @BlooMonkiMan
      @BlooMonkiMan 4 года назад +9

      Wrong. It's transformers theories

    • @preator_vallum6377
      @preator_vallum6377 4 года назад +31

      @@BlooMonkiMan good sir, I believe it is a joke

    • @BlooMonkiMan
      @BlooMonkiMan 4 года назад +2

      @@preator_vallum6377 oh ok

    • @pluviosaurus05
      @pluviosaurus05 4 года назад +13

      Flim..
      Fli-
      Fli-
      Flim-
      FLIM THEORIES

    • @Breakaway-ic5gj
      @Breakaway-ic5gj 4 года назад +8

      @@pluviosaurus05 But hey, that's just a theory, A FLIM THEORY!

  • @bruhmaster6995
    @bruhmaster6995 4 года назад +80

    If only we had the tf1 megatron strength with his tf5 design

    • @donaldbridgewater5786
      @donaldbridgewater5786 4 года назад +1

      Tf1 megatron tf2 fallen tf3 sentinel prime tf4 lockdown tf5 quintessa & nemesis prime tf6 unicron

    • @wheeljack2279
      @wheeljack2279 4 года назад

      He would be such a badass!

    • @nish912
      @nish912 4 года назад +2

      @VorTex 9 we alretd have a tf6 tf7 is gonna be rise of unicron

    • @Arkhamman2023
      @Arkhamman2023 4 года назад

      What is it with Michal Bay making awesome Transformers designs for the charcters but they don't get to do anything special 🤔

    • @nish912
      @nish912 4 года назад

      @VorTex 9oh hell naw

  • @joshualing5667
    @joshualing5667 3 года назад +54

    Technically, Megatron was really powerful in TF 1, because he could shrug of an ion blast from Optimus,and still shoot him. He could even take plenty of hits and still not die. But in rotf, be was weaker because he wasn't used to his new body, the bots that fixed him placed an allspark piece into his cavity,which gives Megatron a new body and a different fusion canon. In dark of the moon, he becomes a truck for a reason,he was tired and weakened,and he had a shotgun instead.
    In aoe, he was at least stronger than his rotf and dotm counterparts,but we still don't get to see what more he is capable of. In tlk,he had and even shorter screentime,but his abilities are stronger as well compare to rotf and dotm.
    So conclusion,his power level:
    TF 1: 120/100
    Rotf: 70/100
    Dotm: 15/100
    AOE: 85/100
    Tlk: 92/100
    This is my opinion,you don't have to agree with me.

  • @yoshidasaki17703
    @yoshidasaki17703 4 года назад +73

    Quick smart answer: wear and tear. Autobots had more robust body design. Stable and balanced defense and power. Just like when you compare a Toyota with a Dodge. Toyota was reliable, robust. But still kicking. While dodge was strongly fast and powerful. But high maintenance and bad wear and tear
    Quicker answer: Hasbro want to sell more Autobots and writers can't do a thing about it

  • @trulyflawfull
    @trulyflawfull 3 года назад +23

    I always thought it was because Sam forced the Allspark into Megatrons core which permanently messed with his entire body since, you know. its basically his heart. On top of that he was left in the bottom of the ocean for a pretty long time and revived down there so the water could have messed up his insides or maybe some sea creatures got in there. Those were always my reasons for why he got weaker between 1 and 2.

  • @superkamiguru5354
    @superkamiguru5354 4 года назад +13

    Megatron opening up for a hug is something I never thought I would hear

  • @mistertaffy6720
    @mistertaffy6720 2 года назад +8

    I love how the designers made Megatrons figure to be a brawler, considering the lore behind Megatron.

  • @Hawkmoon9
    @Hawkmoon9 4 года назад +18

    I'm still mad that the Autobots let Optimus fight by himself against 3 decepticons... but the fact that optimus held his own against all 3 of them while also protecting Sam shows how strong he is. IMO he would have beaten all of them if he didn't have to worry about Sam, he was clearly holding back so he could keep sam safe

  • @syna6622
    @syna6622 4 года назад +76

    “Your so weak “
    Says the guy who almost lost a 3 v 1

    • @syna6622
      @syna6622 4 года назад +2

      @Sharpshooter 02 that makes sense now

  • @green_was_taken
    @green_was_taken 4 года назад +37

    I love the bayverse megs because of his brute strength just wish we couldve gotten more backstory. Maybe with the Rebootverse well have a movie megs with charcterization.

    • @theStridingRebel
      @theStridingRebel 4 года назад +1

      Well the Bumblebee movie apparently takes place before the events of 07 Transformers, so Megatron is currently frozen in Ice or is in Sector 7, but maybe there is a theory that Megatron's arrival will simply be retconned

    • @green_was_taken
      @green_was_taken 4 года назад +2

      @@theStridingRebel Transfprmers 07-Tlk were one universe bumblebee is a reboot

    • @nish912
      @nish912 4 года назад

      Green but that's the reason why megatron wasn't in the movie why would they leave out a fan favorite character out of the bee movie

    • @green_was_taken
      @green_was_taken 4 года назад +1

      @@nish912 beacsue BB was oroginally supposed to be a prequel to the 07 film but then it became a reboot so we might learn where he was during BB.

    • @nish912
      @nish912 4 года назад +1

      Sucks that megatron wasn't in BUT NOT BARRICADE HE GO HIDING AND WHEN HE SEE MEGATRON HE ACTS SOOO STRONG

  • @rdymond04
    @rdymond04 3 года назад +8

    4:47 I like when he says that Optimus broke Megatron's face. He basically described Optimus Prime.

  • @holdynmcpletl4903
    @holdynmcpletl4903 4 года назад +29

    my favorite megatron designs ever

    • @captaindonut3580
      @captaindonut3580 4 года назад +2

      Which one

    • @holdynmcpletl4903
      @holdynmcpletl4903 4 года назад +3

      @@captaindonut3580 all of them

    • @captaindonut3580
      @captaindonut3580 4 года назад +3

      @@holdynmcpletl4903 yeah, you have to admit that they all look very good

    • @captaindonut3580
      @captaindonut3580 4 года назад +2

      Personally I prefer the one from revenge of the fallen, I just wish that megatron had arms that would actually look "natural" with his body

    • @nish912
      @nish912 4 года назад +3

      I hate the starscream that always betray megatron and I just want him to get shot out of no where bc he is worthless

  • @DrypandaexpressFrey
    @DrypandaexpressFrey 3 года назад +81

    *Megatron: wanna hug?
    *Megatron's mind: Ha ha i am going to hold him
    *Optimus prime: nana man you gay or something? get outa here

  • @alec1020
    @alec1020 4 года назад +18

    Also in revenge of the fallen megatrons legs were just way bigger than his previous design which probably slowed him down more

  • @magmaticgames
    @magmaticgames 2 года назад +10

    Part of me would like to believe that the screenwriters put all of the different chassis modifications and new fighting noves in to support the theories you provide but honestly, they probably just tried to make megatron look meaner and more intimidating for each movie.

  • @dedcoronet
    @dedcoronet 4 года назад +114

    also in revenge of the fallen his legs could be a reason which makes him extra THICC so that could also be a reason

  • @JeffreyJeffreyFLF
    @JeffreyJeffreyFLF 4 года назад +79

    You're smarter than Michael Bay, you could have made a better Transformers 6 movie - Rise of Unicron.

    • @Yu-ub6gp
      @Yu-ub6gp 4 года назад

      Ye, idk if I would be talking if I didn't know the different between your and you're.

    • @JeffreyJeffreyFLF
      @JeffreyJeffreyFLF 4 года назад +4

      @@Yu-ub6gp how about now? re-read it as I edited my wrong english word.

  • @jesxswtf
    @jesxswtf 4 года назад +91

    Why Megatron became weaker : he lost his Medicare and Obama care

  • @stefanroche3052
    @stefanroche3052 2 года назад +6

    Subbed. I love the breakdown and effort put into the Bayverse stories and intricacies. I have a feeling there’s an accidental greatness at times with these movies that what you explain fits in but may not have been part of the intent even.

  • @craigscraigwastaken6776
    @craigscraigwastaken6776 4 года назад +193

    TF1: Got killed by a human. Would have killed Prime in a 1v1 fight despite being shot at by jets and soldiers.
    TF2: In the Forest fight Prime was wrecking Megatron, Starscrean and Grindor all by himself until Megatron stabbed him from behind. In their second fight Megatron gets beat again and gets part of his face shot off.
    TF3: In the final fight Megatron almost kills Sentinel with a suprise attack AND even though he had the advantage against a one armed Optimus, he still lost to him. I'm still mad about that.
    TF4: Lockdown ruined the highway fight so no clear victor. Personally think Galvatron would've won since there was never a rematch in the film for obvious reasons.
    TF5: Megatron had no chance with 4 Autobots attacking him at the same time.
    Edit: You came here for the reply thread, not my summary

    • @high_higgy
      @high_higgy 4 года назад +31

      Stealthy Ronin in tf1 he probably would have taken a 4 v 1 piece of piss, he was an absolute brute

    • @matthieulopez2154
      @matthieulopez2154 4 года назад +1

      I agree to you

    • @matthieulopez2154
      @matthieulopez2154 4 года назад +1

      And he had the advantage to optimus yet he lost

    • @RandomPerson-cm2wg
      @RandomPerson-cm2wg 4 года назад +16

      Stealthy Ronin well to be fair, in tf3 he was suggesting a truce between him Optimus. But, since Micheal Bay is incapable to keep his characters in personality with their source material, Optimus killed him.

    • @byehan4259
      @byehan4259 4 года назад

      @@RandomPerson-cm2wg i think it was one of the drafts for them to have a truce, but of course, like the draft of shockwave having a bigger fight with prime, it got cancelled

  • @scotibot7450
    @scotibot7450 3 года назад +38

    Just to point out on cybertron it wasn't a 1v1 between optimus and megatron. It was a war. As such it stands to reason that strength alone wouldn't necessarily carry the day. Tactics, numbers, overall strategy etc. people bring up the city battle as an example of optimus restraining himself due to concern for human casualties in a condensed urban area where he cannot accurately determine there's no humans nearby. They may be hiding in the nearby buildings. whereas in the forest battle prime is more free to let loose as the only human in danger nearby is sam. I don't think its fair to say megatron is not skilled in blades as given the transformers are milennia old. I'd suggest he is adjusting to his new form as you say which is only a temporary weakness as he could adapt. After revenge of the fallen its much more feasible megatron is weaker as he is still injured

  • @ValcronGaming
    @ValcronGaming 4 года назад +54

    Video: Here’s why Megatron is weak
    Me: *inhale* because of Bay
    *credits roll*

  • @KingPredaking9229
    @KingPredaking9229 Год назад +12

    My favourite design of Megatron is the revenge of the fallen/rotf transformation because it wasn’t like his cybertronion jet form and was a cool looking cybertronion tank that could also fly and I have to admit my least favourite part about him is the way his left arm looks like it’s a scraplets arm and is tiny but out of the designs I like tlk megatrons blaster and how he can retract it and his battle mask is awesome, something we never saw on Megatron before.

  • @ghosthunterfallout
    @ghosthunterfallout 3 года назад +24

    megatron is more interested in using the autobots as apposed to killing them, he knows how insane optimus can be

  • @fulsome6598
    @fulsome6598 4 года назад +19

    2:52 come on prime he just wanted a hug

  • @Xvicity101
    @Xvicity101 4 года назад +29

    2:52
    They're brothers... they hug each other.

    • @user-zy5bt3bh9y
      @user-zy5bt3bh9y 4 года назад +6

      Optimus is kinda rude for slapping him

    • @rauf9673
      @rauf9673 4 года назад +4

      @@user-zy5bt3bh9y rlly bro?

    • @user-zy5bt3bh9y
      @user-zy5bt3bh9y 3 года назад +4

      @@rauf9673 lol

    • @Glimpsee_
      @Glimpsee_ 3 года назад +6

      Megatron: *Tries To Hug Optimus*
      Optimus: Get Away From Me You Stink *SLAPS*

    • @friendff1773
      @friendff1773 2 года назад +1

      They’re brothers
      Me once

  • @d0rkyyyXD
    @d0rkyyyXD Год назад +3

    I'm very new in the community and your explaining makes it easier for me to understand all the movies and characters thank you :)

  • @ronin7176
    @ronin7176 4 года назад +552

    Nah, he didn't get weaker, its just prime who got stronger.

    • @dedi6787
      @dedi6787 4 года назад +18

      He didn't used his blades agains Megs

    • @giannis_toupolemou
      @giannis_toupolemou 4 года назад +76

      Nah only thing that got stronger, Is primers plot armor

    • @poseidon2363
      @poseidon2363 3 года назад +14

      @@giannis_toupolemou Prime has no plot armor.

    • @giannis_toupolemou
      @giannis_toupolemou 3 года назад +39

      @@poseidon2363 Your statement would've made sense if he had stayed dead. Did he? Or was he resurrected with the power of the matrix of leadership? Plot armor.

    • @poseidon2363
      @poseidon2363 3 года назад +36

      @@giannis_toupolemou and Megatron doesn't? Megatron always comes back and never stays dead

  • @ernestoperez5361
    @ernestoperez5361 4 года назад +46

    Where was starscream during Megatron Frozen in the Hoover dam.

    • @Theorymus
      @Theorymus  4 года назад +11

      On mars

    • @ernestoperez5361
      @ernestoperez5361 4 года назад +2

      @@Theorymus how would he be up there for ever

    • @ernestoperez5361
      @ernestoperez5361 4 года назад +4

      @@Theorymus that's something I don't understand can you make a video of that too

    • @Lamp_2155
      @Lamp_2155 4 года назад +6

      Ernesto perez53
      They didn’t know the Cube and Megatron’s locations yet

    • @ernestoperez5361
      @ernestoperez5361 4 года назад

      @Soundwave I know

  • @WeatherxCalipha
    @WeatherxCalipha 4 года назад +35

    They same can be stated for Optimus though, scanning an Earth-based truck would not only likely nerf his armor but because he reverted to his protoform state prior to scanning the vehicle he had to cope with a new body he wasn't used to.

    • @mryellow6918
      @mryellow6918 2 года назад

      I doubt, they can scan anything. I bet it has to be similar to their original form.

    • @WeatherxCalipha
      @WeatherxCalipha 2 года назад +2

      ​@@mryellow6918 Megatron in the third movie was able to transform into a truck despite being a Cybertronian Jet and Jet/Tank in the previous movies. Not to mention he was able to go from a truck to a jet as Galvatron back to Megatron.
      Really, it only seems like coincidence that their vehicles are relative to their appearance, considering the autobots came to Earth as protoforms.

    • @etrnlb0y
      @etrnlb0y 2 года назад +2

      @@WeatherxCalipha that truck pretty big

  • @lanwan3189
    @lanwan3189 2 года назад +4

    4:40
    Megatron: uses his thrusters to get optimus away from the fallen
    Optimus : Takes the fallen with him
    Megatron probably thinking later : I screwed that badly

  • @SOUNDdoesstuff04
    @SOUNDdoesstuff04 4 года назад +22

    DOTM Megatron is basically a hobo with a shot gun
    Got that from Twitter

  • @muwalaatabdshaheed2530
    @muwalaatabdshaheed2530 4 года назад +19

    Michael bay:hey Meg's ur gonna die rotf
    Megatron: I'm not gonna die
    *Battle starts*
    Meagatron: reborrrrrn

  • @ArcTrooper269
    @ArcTrooper269 4 года назад +35

    *_1:44_**_ WELL, NO, ACTUALLY, YOU SEE, OPTIMUS & MEGATRON LEARN & TRAIN TOGETHER, BOTH ARE A PAR, BUT THE REASON OF WHY OPTIMUS DON'T KILL MEGATRON IS BECAUSE HE STILL APRECIATE HIM, THAT'S THE REASON OF WHY HE WANTS TO SACRIFICE HIMSELF INSTEAD OF KILLING MEGATRON WITH THE CUBE, SO HE WAS CONTANING HIMSELF._*
    *& ALSO WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT IN THE MOVIES THE BEST FRIEND OF OPTIMUS WASN'T BUMBLEBEE ORIGINALLY, WAS JAZZ, HE ALWAYS SUPPORTED OPTIMUS & IN FACT HE CONVINCED OPTIMUS TO TAKE HIS ROLE AS THE PRIME LEADER, SO, WHEN HE REALIZED IN THE END OF THE MISSION CITY BATTLE THAT HIS BEST FRIEND DIED IN HANDS OF HIS BROTHER HE BLAME HIMSELF FOR NOT DOING WHAT WAS NECESARY.*
    *IS FOR THAT REASON THAT OPTIMUS IN THE LATEST FILMS WAS WAY MORE VIOLENT & BRUTAL, & OF YOU PUT ATTENTION IN THE FOREST BATTLE YOU CAN APRECIATE THAT OPTIMUS WASN'T JUST BEATING MEGATRON, HE WAS ALSO INSULTING HIM, RWALLY FEELS THAT IS PERSONAL.*

    • @smoggyimpala9934
      @smoggyimpala9934 4 года назад +3

      STOP YELLING

    • @dedi6787
      @dedi6787 4 года назад +1

      Man
      *Yes*

    • @alphiuszeed5977
      @alphiuszeed5977 4 года назад

      Good point however in DOTM he littery jumped on megs when he wanted peace(i think that been a while since i saw DOTM) but who knows how true that was xD

    • @LucasLima-od3ic
      @LucasLima-od3ic 4 года назад

      Tf1 Megatron >>>>>>>>> Prime
      Accept this.