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What if Dementors were more like Armus from Star Trek the Next Generation. In Star Trek, Armus was all the negative emotions and evil intent that an alien race had purged from themselves. It manifested itself into a sentient puddle of black goo that was the personification of pure evil. What if Ekrezdis was experimenting trying to find a way to purge his own madness. He experimented on on sailor first before trying it on himself. He thought he had it figured out and attempted to purge his madness. He succeeded but the the madness magically manifested itself into the first Dementor and it killed Ekrezdis.
I don't think that Ekrizdis is the one who created the first Dementors. Let's re-read that passage again: "Those who entered to investigate refused afterwards to talk of what they had found inside, but the least frightening part of it was that the place was infested with Dementors. This reads, at least to me, like Dementors predate the creation of Azkaban, of the island but that an infestation of them was disturbingly unique to Azkaban. We also know that they breed like a fungi and I think this might be the actual origin of the Dementors. Like a house that suffered from moisture problems can become a breeding ground for mold, so might a place that has been tainted by dark magic performed between its walls, that has seen tremendous amounts of pain, misery and despairs, breed Dementors. Once they are there, they will create an environment where their kind thrives. Ekrizdis' vile experiments with dark magic might have been of such primordial evil that it turned Azkaban is the most Dementor-infested place on the globe, as where magical torture dungeons might have been known to spawn a Dementor or two, Azkaban Castle bringing forth thousands...
I think what might have scared them was the remains of all the soulless bodies in the castle. There could have been thousands, lost sailors or captives. Maybe they didn't die? What would soulless bodies, without thought do in such environments and being further preyed upon by dementors. I also think the dementors might still hold attachment to the former bodies which is why they don't want to leave. I also think evil wizard guy just failed to achieve lichdom like voldemort and he might be the first
Perhaps dementors were a side effect of Ekrizdis’ experiments. Similarly to how Peeves was never alive, and is simply an accumulation of the chaotic energy of all the students that called Hogwarts home. Maybe the first dementor was an accumulation of all the anguish, despair and torment that occurred within Azkaban.
The name Dementor is probably derived from the Italian verb dimenticare or its Latin root. Dimenticare means to forget. So I think that those who are truly forgotten inside Azkaban and have forgotten themselves, will turn into Dementors.
I’m on board with the theory. I’ve always thought that since dementors were depression personified maybe the first was created by a failed experiment where the wizard did not want to feel emotions anymore and tried to remove their emotions but instead became the demon
I like your approach, that's kind of the basis of Hogwarts legacy. Maybe old dark wizard used ancient magic to imbue them with sorrow rather than take it away and created dementors, but I guess that doesn't explain why they suck souls.
I think the first dementer is Ekrezdis himself. He dived too deep into depravity until he was swept away by its darkness and tranformed into the very magical personification of despair.
That makes sense. So what is your theory of how the minister of magic figurer out to use/tame them to guard the prisoners in Azkaban and not eat other people without permission?
@@leonorakristinerozalinamll9473 People tend to forget that Dementors aren't just mindless animals. They literally buried a dead body in the 4th book lol
Dementors could be some kind of super Inferi, which would explain why they can't be killed, because they're technicvally already dead and soulless, but they crave the life and joy they once had when alone, which is why they drain it from others.
I like where your theory is going. In the event that someone were mistreated badly enough that their soul would damage beyond repair, they would seek a new soul, while at the same time trying to make the world feel their pain.
Why not do a theory on the Diadem of Ravenclaw holding the curse on the defense against the dark arts position? All the horcrux's had dark powers. And Dumbledore admitted to Harry that since he turned Tom Riddle down for the job, no defense against the dark arts teacher lasted more than a year. But one should ask: "How do you curse a job position? " Most people think that once Voldemort was finally dead, the curse broke. But if that was the case, why did the curse remain when he lost his powers? Voldemort was alone for many years, neither alive nor dead. So you would think that the defense against the dark arts job curse would've broken, but it wasn't. Somehow, the curse on a job position continued. We know voldemort hid the Diadem of Ravenclaw in the room of requirement. A place not many knew about. The diadem of Ravenclaw was a horcrux. A piece of Voldemort's soul hid inside it. The diadem was hidden inside Hogwarts. Therefore, that's what affected the position. Voldemort's soul had to simply target the new teacher. Look how powerful the diary was.
@TheGoddamnBacon I actually came up with this theory because it makes sense. All the Horcrux's had curses on them. And we know voldemort applied for the job when dibit was headmaster. But turned him down. That's when it's theorized he asked the Gray lady about the diadem, and she told him. Later, he applied again for the defense against the dark arts teacher when Dumbledore was headmaster. And Dumbledore turned him down because Dumbledore knew his real intentions. And Dumbledore couldn't keep a defense against the dark arts teacher for more than a year after he turned voldemort down. And the diadem was a horcrux, and he hid it in the room of requirement. And not many people knew about it, not even Dumbledore. He mentions in the 4th book that he needed to go to the bathroom and he found one, but was never able to find it again. So, how else could that position have been cursed, if it wasn't the horcrux hidden in the room of requirement?
I had to grab a coat while listening to this one. Following along with your thoughts, I can’t help but wonder if Rowling was influenced in her creation of soul-harvesting Dementors by the Grim Reaper which is often associated with the Black Death which plagued Europe during the 14th century. The thoughts, arguments, and reasoning behind your theories are very well supported, convincing enough to compel both magical and non-magic hearers alike. You’d make a formidable Professor at Hogwarts.
Assuming that Ekrizdis creater dementors is false imo. Dementors have appeared in ancient history (story of Illyius and Raczidian) as has the patronus charm. No where does it claim that Ekrizdis created dementors, only that when Azkaban island was discovered, dementors were the LEAST frightening thing on it. Ekrizdis had done/made other terrible things there. It's more likely that Azkaban attracted a bunch of dementors due to it's dark magic. Also when Lupin describes dementors he says they infest thr foulest places. Meaning many places not just azkaban.
I always thought that Dementors were the results of some dark experiments on Lethifolds. As Lethifolds are affected by the Patronus charm, it maybe that they are related in an unnatural way. Maybe trying to cross a Lethifold with another creature. Experimentation on Magical Creatures is banned and the Island would've been a good place to do it.
I think that Azkaban was infested with dementors even before his arrival there. He was a dark wizard yes, but perhaps it were the dementors which made him mad. Maybe they're just a humanoid embodiment of a certain concept, like Vilas with beauty or boggarts with fear...
I remember you making a video on this years ago (I watched it in lockdown so maybe 2021 or 2020). I think it’s good to have a refresher video on this though. Keep it up!
Avada Kedavra reaping the soul out of the body seem to contradict the effect of dementor's kiss. And if a dementor is a kind of a corupted soul would Avada Kedavra work on them? And what othe than Patronus charm methods of dealing with them was Snape talking about when critisizing Lupin's teaching?
I think i like my theories better.... First theory was that Dementors are born when a human commits suicide in the presence of residual magic. What do i mean by residual magic? I mean, where magic was performed there remains a trace, forevermore....the trace weakens with age, but if the magic is more fresh, or particularly dark, the chances of a demon spawning into existance from that magic near the place a muggle commits suicide increases. Bit of a stretch, and also means dementors CANNOT breed themselves in the normal sense...they multiply by causing so much depression that people take their own lives, and if that occurs in a place where magic still lingers, there's a chance that magic can manifest into a dementor. Theory two was due, in large part to Harry's boggart displaying similar magical traits to a dementor (causing harry to relive his past trauams...) the theory goes that a BOGGART BECOMES a dementor if it SUCCEEDS in causing a human witch or wizard to fall prey to it for long enough... ie: they sap the magic out of a wizard and "evolve" like a friggin pokemon INTO their final form: the dementor. This explains why a boggart was able to display the magical qualities of a dementor but other things it can transform into...it doesn't gain those traits....like if it turned into a basilisk, it wouldn't have been able to "kill on sight". But since it is fundamentally a "baby dementor" it has the same magical traits as a boggart (or can have)
Seeing as they seem to be immortal and unkillable, thought still able to multiply, this seems to me to imply that the end of the world might be coming. Unless the wizarding world finds a way to permanently entrap or destroy them, they will eventually be too many of them to contend with.
Love the videos as always!! Really itching for more of the Long form content, your 1 hour+ theory compilations and deep dives are what I fall asleep to sometimes.
The one problem with this is that those who went there knew what dementors were. So if they were created on azkaban then no one else would know that they even existed. I can believe he made a dementor or even that he made many and created one of the first or largest nests of them but i do feel they existed before that.
Dementors have been around for far longer. try to find the story about the origin of the patronus charm U know the dark wizard who was eaten by maggots when he tried to cast the patronus charm that one
Perhaps the first Dementor was a muggle or squib that the Dark wizard tried to make magical. Not for any good purpose of course and he’s using Dark Magic so it backfired massively🤔
I've always thought that boggarts were baby dementors, and they have to absorb a certain amount of fear over time to mature. So Azkaban might've been a sort of nursery for these creatures. Pets that were given the fear of prisoners.
I've felt like the people who go to Azkaban, who perish there, become dementors. I never really put much thought into it beyond the place itself being saturated with dark magic and the presence of dementors turning people's souls into wraith like beings that quickly become dementors themselves.
The name Dementor is probably derived from the Italian verb dimenticare or the Latin root of it- I don't know Latin though. Dimenticare means to forget. So I think those who have truly been forgotten inside Azkaban turn to Dementors.
I like your theory for the creation of the first dementor. A soul tortured and mutilated beyond repair by dark magic, unable to move on when the killing curse knocked the soul from the body. What better manifestation of a tortured, mutiliated soul than something that sucks the joy out of the world causing misery and sucking souls from people in a dark attempt to repair itself hoping to maybe move on.
I agree with you for the most part these theories make sense. What I disagree is that you say Avada Kedavra rips the soul out of your body as if it was a fact. It is not a fact because we don't know how Avada Kedavra kills you. I think that the curse simply shut down all of the body parts function, making it seem more merciful in a way but even an organs shut down is not actually nice.
Nice video. Please explain how and why Thestrals are connected to death and why only people that has experiened death and understood death can see them. And how tame can they become🙏🙏❤️❤️.
Imagine a horror movie of some sailors that get trapped by Ekrizdis and are trying to find their way out (probably a "no one survives" story XD) could end with the creation of the first Dementor. The Dark wizards like Ekrizdis and Eunon Blackwood are some of the most interesting characters because of the intentional mystery/taboo of dark magic
This makes perfect sense to me. I play d&d for a long time starting when I was 12 and I always was comparing things in my life fantasy wise to d&d and the dementors always struck me as an incorporal undead being cuz there are beings in d&d that do the same thing as dementors but they're just undead so I always thought that dementors as some form of undead spirit so this fits perfectly into what I thought would make sense
I think the evil wizard was trying the achieve lichdom, like voldemort and the spell backfired, and it ejected his evil soul, creating the first dementor. I think your right with dementor breeding, in that they 'kiss' the soul out of a body and corrupt it into a dementor. I think what the wizards found at the island after he died was the soulless bodies of all the victims of dementors, decayed over time but maybe not dead.
One strong theory is thaø Dementors are a hybrid of a Lethifold (a black cloak-like creature known for eating its victims) and a humanoid creature (possibly an Inferi or a vampire, or possibly even humans). One factor that strengthens this theory is that Lethifolds are also vulnerable to the Patronus Charm. Fantastic Beasts & Where to Find Them, Comic Relief 2001 One issue with your theory, aside from Dementors being already known to the wizarding world, is that an Obscuris begins as a wizard or witch, which a sailor most likely wouldn't have been.
I think both theories are correct: the sailors on the island were tortured and one was unintentionally or intentionally turned into the first Dementor. From there the other miserable souls on the island that were also being tortured were slowly attacked by the first Dementor and became Dementors themselves. With the dark wizard eventually falling prey to his own creation as well. I think that only miserable souls turn into dementors when attacked by one explaining why they are not more widespread and threat to the world.
They were canonically created by Ekrizdis and were a result of his experiments. In the sense that inferi are basically zombified corpses with dark magic flowing through them, dementors are the same, they are the souls of his victims, except they are almost primarily dark magic. These people were stripped of everything good in them and were cast into the world as these floating mindless carcasses that feed on the very thing that was ripped from them.
I actually have a theory about how Dementors are created, they have a huge overlap with an obscurus from their shadowy form, association with negative emotions unkillable nature, and even the point that even victims of an obscurus have marks left on their face which may draw a direct connection between them and the dementor’s kiss. I wonder if Ekrizdis was experimenting with obscurus, he was alive during the 15th century, which coincides with when witch trials took place, and obscurus were likely prevalent. Perhaps he was even an obscurial himself seeking to prolong his lifespan through dark magic, and realized because the obscurus feeds on dark emotions he might be able to feed it someone else’s so it doesn’t consume his lifespan, the logical conclusion of this being to feed his obscurus the souls of tortured people. Given enough time perhaps intentionally or unintentionally his obscurus became strong enough to survive on its own and develop its own consciousness, becoming the first dementor.
Kinda seems like an Orc situation. Like how Morgoth created orcs by torturing elves, who then bred. This dude tortured sailors with magic, resulting in dementors that then bred
In my understanding Dementors existed before Ekrizdis! "[...] but the least frightening part of it was that the place was infested with Dementors". So the Term "Dementor" seem to be already existing at this point in history. After all i read and your video i would conclude that maybe the first Dementor was created out of the "Mass Suffering" somewhere in Time? Maybe one of the big wars in the Roman empire, where many many died on a Battlefield, where pain and suffering was all over a place and then some magic got chaotic and created a Dementor? So they seem to breed even without people (because "[...] The fortress was therefore left abandoned for many years, a home to continually breeding Dementors.", so tecnicly dementors seem to not need living humans to breed). so i guess not Ekrizdis created them, but they joined him because they felt the souls on that island and thought "Wow what a nice place to feed" and ekrizdis was not attacked by them because he literaly fed them souls. So in my understanding they are not actualy created in Azkaban but they came there because of all the experiments of Ekrizdis.
I believe that Ekrizduz performed so many insane rituals and dark magic that it ripped his soul in a way similar to a horcrux and he became the first dementor or at least his soul did. Then he created all the other dementors by doing the same.
I like your theory. It matches mine, a little, though I explained a mechanism for their creation, and had a different wizard responsible. Of course, no one else will ever see my fan fiction.
I have a theory about that, they found the wizard dead, they didn’t say what killed him, perhaps when the first Dementor was created, he was their first victim, and all of his prisoners, left to the torment of the dementor, became dementors themselves
Yo I am fairly sure I left a comment months ago about how the avrada kedavra kills the soul so I am so glad you used it in the video 😅 I had never seen anyone else theorize it
My theory is the Dementors are created from the souls they consume. That when they consume a soul everything that makes that soul unique is destroyed. All memory of whom they were. And that is also why they can’t return as a ghost. And after sometime it appears in albeit physical form of the soul’s despair of having everything especially happiness taken from them. So that is why they look to consume happy memories and endless and fruitless attempt to reclaim what was lost.
i just assumed dementors were soul zombies. the soul is ripped out of a human, they then turn into a dementor, then they try to consume souls to get back what they lost, but all that winds up doing is making more dementors.
Excellent theory on Dementors. Dementors are create by them sucking out a soul. So new Dementors wonder if in sucking out a wizards soul their magic goes into the newly made Dementor helping them in their abilities.
I think you are on the right track just took a wrong turn. Dementors have physical bodies so I do not believe they could be souls that had been removed, rather Dementors are what becomes of the body after a soul is removed. The body would decay over time hence their look but they can't actually die because there is not a soul to separate from the body. Also they have the need to feed on the souls of others in an attempt to regain that which was taken from them. There is also a difference between ghosts and Dementors in the fact a ghost is a soul that has lost it's body vs a body that has had its soul taken. Just a thought.
That was a new twist to the theory behind dementors. But if a dementor is a soul, what happens to it when a dementor is destroyed? And how do you destroy them? Expecto patronum is just keeping them away.
interesting topic, can you do a similar video but about house elves? when they were created and how they came to be?, when did the Wiz world started using them as pretty much slaves?
Great theory. Dementors are one of the most interesting creatures in HP. Always happy to hear about them. Do you think Thestrals can have their souls taken?
a variation: it may not be 1:1 for dementor creation, it could take multiple damaged souls fusing together to form 1 dementor both the original, mulltiple experimental subjects, including subjects of dark alchemy and the kiss similarily
Wait, all avada kedabra does is remove the soul from the body?? If that's the case, then it should be possible to create a spell that can return a soul to the body. The hard part would be finding the right soul
I tend to think that a sailor transformed or became the first Dementor. Perhaps ALL of the first Dementors were those early sailors that were captured.
I have a hypothetical question who do you think would win a Dementor or a Starweird from the Star Wars universe I wish they were as famous as the Dementors are to me they are the Star Wars equivalent of a Dementor
So if a dementor had successfully sucked Harry's soul out of his body would it then leave the piece of Voldemorts soul behind and it takes over or would it be removed as well? Or could it possibly take Voldemorts soul and leave Harry's intact?
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Why did the dementors float around Hogwarts in the third year if they thrive within negative and horrible places. I can't imagine Dumbledore handing them a bunch of money if they stayed around Hogwarts for a few weeks or longer.
hmm. Sound like Voldemort have been taken half of his soul by birth by his dad. Therefor he feel so desperate to stay a life. Like a beast feel threaten and react on instinct.
Since he spent his time torturing and tormenting innocent souls i think as the despair of it all got worse and worse, the very essense of the island was saturated with it. And because of this amount of despair the dementors manifsted form from all this. I dont think dementors come from souls. They are to pure i think.
Exactly what I was thinking. And perhaps the reason they make everyone else around them miserable is so that despair in turn can be formed into more Dementors
I actually feel sorry for J.K. nowadays. She keeps spouting hateful crap, but I think she is coming from a place of fear and depression. In a way, she's become a dementor herself.
The problem is, dementors themselves are soulless. So they couldn't be created from a soul. However, maybe the magic that created them is identical to the kiss. Torture a body an when they are an inch from death, pull out their soul. Maybe dementors can only be created from non-magical beings. Kiss a wizard, soulless life. Kiss a muggle, you get a dementor.
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What if Dementors were more like Armus from Star Trek the Next Generation. In Star Trek, Armus was all the negative emotions and evil intent that an alien race had purged from themselves. It manifested itself into a sentient puddle of black goo that was the personification of pure evil.
What if Ekrezdis was experimenting trying to find a way to purge his own madness. He experimented on on sailor first before trying it on himself. He thought he had it figured out and attempted to purge his madness. He succeeded but the the madness magically manifested itself into the first Dementor and it killed Ekrezdis.
I don't think that Ekrizdis is the one who created the first Dementors. Let's re-read that passage again: "Those who entered to investigate refused afterwards to talk of what they had found inside, but the least frightening part of it was that the place was infested with Dementors. This reads, at least to me, like Dementors predate the creation of Azkaban, of the island but that an infestation of them was disturbingly unique to Azkaban.
We also know that they breed like a fungi and I think this might be the actual origin of the Dementors. Like a house that suffered from moisture problems can become a breeding ground for mold, so might a place that has been tainted by dark magic performed between its walls, that has seen tremendous amounts of pain, misery and despairs, breed Dementors. Once they are there, they will create an environment where their kind thrives. Ekrizdis' vile experiments with dark magic might have been of such primordial evil that it turned Azkaban is the most Dementor-infested place on the globe, as where magical torture dungeons might have been known to spawn a Dementor or two, Azkaban Castle bringing forth thousands...
I think what might have scared them was the remains of all the soulless bodies in the castle. There could have been thousands, lost sailors or captives. Maybe they didn't die? What would soulless bodies, without thought do in such environments and being further preyed upon by dementors. I also think the dementors might still hold attachment to the former bodies which is why they don't want to leave.
I also think evil wizard guy just failed to achieve lichdom like voldemort and he might be the first
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Perhaps dementors were a side effect of Ekrizdis’ experiments. Similarly to how Peeves was never alive, and is simply an accumulation of the chaotic energy of all the students that called Hogwarts home. Maybe the first dementor was an accumulation of all the anguish, despair and torment that occurred within Azkaban.
a black hole of despair, a bottomless pit of attractive forces towards happiness. That's what I always assumed.
He went over that theory before my guy but yuh basically the same thing
The name Dementor is probably derived from the Italian verb dimenticare or its Latin root. Dimenticare means to forget. So I think that those who are truly forgotten inside Azkaban and have forgotten themselves, will turn into Dementors.
I’m on board with the theory. I’ve always thought that since dementors were depression personified maybe the first was created by a failed experiment where the wizard did not want to feel emotions anymore and tried to remove their emotions but instead became the demon
I like your approach, that's kind of the basis of Hogwarts legacy. Maybe old dark wizard used ancient magic to imbue them with sorrow rather than take it away and created dementors, but I guess that doesn't explain why they suck souls.
I think the first dementer is Ekrezdis himself. He dived too deep into depravity until he was swept away by its darkness and tranformed into the very magical personification of despair.
That makes sense. So what is your theory of how the minister of magic figurer out to use/tame them to guard the prisoners in Azkaban and not eat other people without permission?
@leonorakristinerozalinamll9473 they will get al lot of depressed people that way. Its an agreement
@@leonorakristinerozalinamll9473 People tend to forget that Dementors aren't just mindless animals. They literally buried a dead body in the 4th book lol
Ekrezdis he is still alive as the head Dementor, after he deals too much in his dark experiments.
@7gamex That always gets me, imagining a dementor with a shovel, hissing about how _he's_ always grave duty
Dementors could be some kind of super Inferi, which would explain why they can't be killed, because they're technicvally already dead and soulless, but they crave the life and joy they once had when alone, which is why they drain it from others.
a reverse zombie
Combined with a Lethifold?
Hey i would like to hear why thestral hair isnt used more often in wands if its so powerful
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Me too
Probably because they have more Skeletal than Skin to Grow Hair.
@@khemsingh04 they have hair you can see that + thestral hair is the core of the elder wand for example
I like where your theory is going. In the event that someone were mistreated badly enough that their soul would damage beyond repair, they would seek a new soul, while at the same time trying to make the world feel their pain.
Dementors seemingly cant be destroyed, but they can procreate. Not sure why wizardkind arent worrying about finding a way to destroy them
They can’t be destroyed but lore confirms they’re said to die off eventually, especially in conditions particularly abundant with happiness.
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Why not do a theory on the Diadem of Ravenclaw holding the curse on the defense against the dark arts position? All the horcrux's had dark powers. And Dumbledore admitted to Harry that since he turned Tom Riddle down for the job, no defense against the dark arts teacher lasted more than a year. But one should ask: "How do you curse a job position? " Most people think that once Voldemort was finally dead, the curse broke. But if that was the case, why did the curse remain when he lost his powers? Voldemort was alone for many years, neither alive nor dead. So you would think that the defense against the dark arts job curse would've broken, but it wasn't. Somehow, the curse on a job position continued. We know voldemort hid the Diadem of Ravenclaw in the room of requirement. A place not many knew about. The diadem of Ravenclaw was a horcrux. A piece of Voldemort's soul hid inside it. The diadem was hidden inside Hogwarts. Therefore, that's what affected the position. Voldemort's soul had to simply target the new teacher. Look how powerful the diary was.
I'd love to see this expanded upon.
Voldemort should have cursed the headmaster position instead
@TheGoddamnBacon I actually came up with this theory because it makes sense. All the Horcrux's had curses on them. And we know voldemort applied for the job when dibit was headmaster. But turned him down. That's when it's theorized he asked the Gray lady about the diadem, and she told him. Later, he applied again for the defense against the dark arts teacher when Dumbledore was headmaster. And Dumbledore turned him down because Dumbledore knew his real intentions. And Dumbledore couldn't keep a defense against the dark arts teacher for more than a year after he turned voldemort down. And the diadem was a horcrux, and he hid it in the room of requirement. And not many people knew about it, not even Dumbledore. He mentions in the 4th book that he needed to go to the bathroom and he found one, but was never able to find it again. So, how else could that position have been cursed, if it wasn't the horcrux hidden in the room of requirement?
I had to grab a coat while listening to this one. Following along with your thoughts, I can’t help but wonder if Rowling was influenced in her creation of soul-harvesting Dementors by the Grim Reaper which is often associated with the Black Death which plagued Europe during the 14th century.
The thoughts, arguments, and reasoning behind your theories are very well supported, convincing enough to compel both magical and non-magic hearers alike. You’d make a formidable Professor at Hogwarts.
Thanks very much!
Assuming that Ekrizdis creater dementors is false imo. Dementors have appeared in ancient history (story of Illyius and Raczidian) as has the patronus charm. No where does it claim that Ekrizdis created dementors, only that when Azkaban island was discovered, dementors were the LEAST frightening thing on it. Ekrizdis had done/made other terrible things there. It's more likely that Azkaban attracted a bunch of dementors due to it's dark magic. Also when Lupin describes dementors he says they infest thr foulest places. Meaning many places not just azkaban.
I always thought that Dementors were the results of some dark experiments on Lethifolds. As Lethifolds are affected by the Patronus charm, it maybe that they are related in an unnatural way. Maybe trying to cross a Lethifold with another creature. Experimentation on Magical Creatures is banned and the Island would've been a good place to do it.
Exactly! That's my theory, that they're crossed with a humanoid creature they can continuously consume.
I think that Azkaban was infested with dementors even before his arrival there. He was a dark wizard yes, but perhaps it were the dementors which made him mad. Maybe they're just a humanoid embodiment of a certain concept, like Vilas with beauty or boggarts with fear...
He also could have been experimenting on an Obscurus and altered it enough to make a dementor.
I remember you making a video on this years ago (I watched it in lockdown so maybe 2021 or 2020). I think it’s good to have a refresher video on this though. Keep it up!
Avada Kedavra reaping the soul out of the body seem to contradict the effect of dementor's kiss.
And if a dementor is a kind of a corupted soul would Avada Kedavra work on them?
And what othe than Patronus charm methods of dealing with them was Snape talking about when critisizing Lupin's teaching?
I think i like my theories better....
First theory was that Dementors are born when a human commits suicide in the presence of residual magic. What do i mean by residual magic? I mean, where magic was performed there remains a trace, forevermore....the trace weakens with age, but if the magic is more fresh, or particularly dark, the chances of a demon spawning into existance from that magic near the place a muggle commits suicide increases. Bit of a stretch, and also means dementors CANNOT breed themselves in the normal sense...they multiply by causing so much depression that people take their own lives, and if that occurs in a place where magic still lingers, there's a chance that magic can manifest into a dementor.
Theory two was due, in large part to Harry's boggart displaying similar magical traits to a dementor (causing harry to relive his past trauams...) the theory goes that a BOGGART BECOMES a dementor if it SUCCEEDS in causing a human witch or wizard to fall prey to it for long enough... ie: they sap the magic out of a wizard and "evolve" like a friggin pokemon INTO their final form: the dementor. This explains why a boggart was able to display the magical qualities of a dementor but other things it can transform into...it doesn't gain those traits....like if it turned into a basilisk, it wouldn't have been able to "kill on sight". But since it is fundamentally a "baby dementor" it has the same magical traits as a boggart (or can have)
Nah Azkaban's Lord's f*ck up theory above makes much more sense
Seeing as they seem to be immortal and unkillable, thought still able to multiply, this seems to me to imply that the end of the world might be coming. Unless the wizarding world finds a way to permanently entrap or destroy them, they will eventually be too many of them to contend with.
Dementors breeding?
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*cue Marvin Gaye's "Let's Get It On"*
Love the videos as always!! Really itching for more of the Long form content, your 1 hour+ theory compilations and deep dives are what I fall asleep to sometimes.
The one problem with this is that those who went there knew what dementors were. So if they were created on azkaban then no one else would know that they even existed. I can believe he made a dementor or even that he made many and created one of the first or largest nests of them but i do feel they existed before that.
One time a dementor kissed umbridge and it fucking died!!!
Died of Spectral Syphilis? 🤔😳
Dementors have been around for far longer.
try to find the story about the origin of the patronus charm
U know the dark wizard who was eaten by maggots when he tried to cast the patronus charm that one
How about revisiting how Horcruxes are created?
Perhaps the first Dementor was a muggle or squib that the Dark wizard tried to make magical. Not for any good purpose of course and he’s using Dark Magic so it backfired massively🤔
I've always thought that boggarts were baby dementors, and they have to absorb a certain amount of fear over time to mature. So Azkaban might've been a sort of nursery for these creatures. Pets that were given the fear of prisoners.
I've felt like the people who go to Azkaban, who perish there, become dementors. I never really put much thought into it beyond the place itself being saturated with dark magic and the presence of dementors turning people's souls into wraith like beings that quickly become dementors themselves.
The name Dementor is probably derived from the Italian verb dimenticare or the Latin root of it- I don't know Latin though. Dimenticare means to forget. So I think those who have truly been forgotten inside Azkaban turn to Dementors.
I like your theory for the creation of the first dementor. A soul tortured and mutilated beyond repair by dark magic, unable to move on when the killing curse knocked the soul from the body. What better manifestation of a tortured, mutiliated soul than something that sucks the joy out of the world causing misery and sucking souls from people in a dark attempt to repair itself hoping to maybe move on.
I agree with you for the most part these theories make sense. What I disagree is that you say Avada Kedavra rips the soul out of your body as if it was a fact. It is not a fact because we don't know how Avada Kedavra kills you. I think that the curse simply shut down all of the body parts function, making it seem more merciful in a way but even an organs shut down is not actually nice.
I really like this Theory. It fits and works well. I never thought about it this way. Great video!
Thanks very much!
Nice video.
Please explain how and why Thestrals are connected to death and why only people that has experiened death and understood death can see them. And how tame can they become🙏🙏❤️❤️.
Imagine a horror movie of some sailors that get trapped by Ekrizdis and are trying to find their way out (probably a "no one survives" story XD) could end with the creation of the first Dementor. The Dark wizards like Ekrizdis and Eunon Blackwood are some of the most interesting characters because of the intentional mystery/taboo of dark magic
This makes perfect sense to me. I play d&d for a long time starting when I was 12 and I always was comparing things in my life fantasy wise to d&d and the dementors always struck me as an incorporal undead being cuz there are beings in d&d that do the same thing as dementors but they're just undead so I always thought that dementors as some form of undead spirit so this fits perfectly into what I thought would make sense
Master Theory, this was a BOSS video. I LOVE origin stories! 🧙♂️🧙♀️🪄🇺🇸🤝🇬🇧
I think the evil wizard was trying the achieve lichdom, like voldemort and the spell backfired, and it ejected his evil soul, creating the first dementor. I think your right with dementor breeding, in that they 'kiss' the soul out of a body and corrupt it into a dementor. I think what the wizards found at the island after he died was the soulless bodies of all the victims of dementors, decayed over time but maybe not dead.
One strong theory is thaø Dementors are a hybrid of a Lethifold (a black cloak-like creature known for eating its victims) and a humanoid creature (possibly an Inferi or a vampire, or possibly even humans). One factor that strengthens this theory is that Lethifolds are also vulnerable to the Patronus Charm.
Fantastic Beasts & Where to Find Them, Comic Relief 2001
One issue with your theory, aside from Dementors being already known to the wizarding world, is that an Obscuris begins as a wizard or witch, which a sailor most likely wouldn't have been.
I think both theories are correct: the sailors on the island were tortured and one was unintentionally or intentionally turned into the first Dementor. From there the other miserable souls on the island that were also being tortured were slowly attacked by the first Dementor and became Dementors themselves. With the dark wizard eventually falling prey to his own creation as well. I think that only miserable souls turn into dementors when attacked by one explaining why they are not more widespread and threat to the world.
So barty crouch junior is a demontor?
They were canonically created by Ekrizdis and were a result of his experiments. In the sense that inferi are basically zombified corpses with dark magic flowing through them, dementors are the same, they are the souls of his victims, except they are almost primarily dark magic. These people were stripped of everything good in them and were cast into the world as these floating mindless carcasses that feed on the very thing that was ripped from them.
I actually have a theory about how Dementors are created, they have a huge overlap with an obscurus from their shadowy form, association with negative emotions unkillable nature, and even the point that even victims of an obscurus have marks left on their face which may draw a direct connection between them and the dementor’s kiss.
I wonder if Ekrizdis was experimenting with obscurus, he was alive during the 15th century, which coincides with when witch trials took place, and obscurus were likely prevalent. Perhaps he was even an obscurial himself seeking to prolong his lifespan through dark magic, and realized because the obscurus feeds on dark emotions he might be able to feed it someone else’s so it doesn’t consume his lifespan, the logical conclusion of this being to feed his obscurus the souls of tortured people. Given enough time perhaps intentionally or unintentionally his obscurus became strong enough to survive on its own and develop its own consciousness, becoming the first dementor.
Kinda seems like an Orc situation. Like how Morgoth created orcs by torturing elves, who then bred. This dude tortured sailors with magic, resulting in dementors that then bred
the question is how they breed
I thought that Dementors just grew in places where there is decay. And that Azkaban island had been just one such place.
In my understanding Dementors existed before Ekrizdis! "[...] but the least frightening part of it was that the place was infested with Dementors". So the Term "Dementor" seem to be already existing at this point in history. After all i read and your video i would conclude that maybe the first Dementor was created out of the "Mass Suffering" somewhere in Time? Maybe one of the big wars in the Roman empire, where many many died on a Battlefield, where pain and suffering was all over a place and then some magic got chaotic and created a Dementor? So they seem to breed even without people (because "[...] The fortress was therefore left abandoned for many years, a home to continually breeding Dementors.", so tecnicly dementors seem to not need living humans to breed). so i guess not Ekrizdis created them, but they joined him because they felt the souls on that island and thought "Wow what a nice place to feed" and ekrizdis was not attacked by them because he literaly fed them souls. So in my understanding they are not actualy created in Azkaban but they came there because of all the experiments of Ekrizdis.
I believe that Ekrizduz performed so many insane rituals and dark magic that it ripped his soul in a way similar to a horcrux and he became the first dementor or at least his soul did. Then he created all the other dementors by doing the same.
what if he was the one dementor ? he became one after he died instaid of a ghost
I've ridden the night bus? Have you?
I like your theory. It matches mine, a little, though I explained a mechanism for their creation, and had a different wizard responsible. Of course, no one else will ever see my fan fiction.
My only question would be if they breed by attacking things how did they breed alone on an island
I have a theory about that, they found the wizard dead, they didn’t say what killed him, perhaps when the first Dementor was created, he was their first victim, and all of his prisoners, left to the torment of the dementor, became dementors themselves
Yo I am fairly sure I left a comment months ago about how the avrada kedavra kills the soul so I am so glad you used it in the video 😅 I had never seen anyone else theorize it
My theory is the Dementors are created from the souls they consume. That when they consume a soul everything that makes that soul unique is destroyed. All memory of whom they were. And that is also why they can’t return as a ghost. And after sometime it appears in albeit physical form of the soul’s despair of having everything especially happiness taken from them. So that is why they look to consume happy memories and endless and fruitless attempt to reclaim what was lost.
i just assumed dementors were soul zombies.
the soul is ripped out of a human, they then turn into a dementor, then they try to consume souls to get back what they lost, but all that winds up doing is making more dementors.
Excellent theory on Dementors. Dementors are create by them sucking out a soul. So new Dementors wonder if in sucking out a wizards soul their magic goes into the newly made Dementor helping them in their abilities.
I think you are on the right track just took a wrong turn. Dementors have physical bodies so I do not believe they could be souls that had been removed, rather Dementors are what becomes of the body after a soul is removed. The body would decay over time hence their look but they can't actually die because there is not a soul to separate from the body. Also they have the need to feed on the souls of others in an attempt to regain that which was taken from them. There is also a difference between ghosts and Dementors in the fact a ghost is a soul that has lost it's body vs a body that has had its soul taken. Just a thought.
Hey can u maybe make a video on merpeople? :)
Great video, could you kindly please share the background music. I’d love to listen to it while I fall asleep.
What I'd like to know is :
how did Shacklebolt rid Azkaban of dementors
& where did they go?
what if ekrizdis turned himself to a lich type dementor?!! 😮
Yeah I totally added that to the Attempt to Remove Feelings Gone wrong Theory above. Dementor Lich ftw
"A new Dementor is created every time Daniel Larson is kicked out of another business for acting up". - Albus Dumbledore.
What I would like to know is what happened to the dementors after Shacklebolt evicted them from Azkaban.
I had no idea. Interesting as always
Regardless of how Dementors came to exist, they're terrifying.
That was a new twist to the theory behind dementors. But if a dementor is a soul, what happens to it when a dementor is destroyed? And how do you destroy them? Expecto patronum is just keeping them away.
More questions worth looking in to!
@@HarryPotterTheory That would be awesome! 😊💜
you can't destroy a Dementor, according to Universe laws
Idk why I keep watching these non jk videos but I do. You should do a video on Scotland so you can see the lore she pulled from
Does this mean Barty Crouch Jr is now a Dementor?
Awesome as always thanks ❤
What happens to a dementors kiss victim after they die? maybe that’s how they are created.
Basically the Dementers are in J.K.Rollins HP what the Nazgûl are in J.R.R.Tolkien’s LOTR.
interesting topic, can you do a similar video but about house elves? when they were created and how they came to be?, when did the Wiz world started using them as pretty much slaves?
'Crented'?
Great theory. Dementors are one of the most interesting creatures in HP. Always happy to hear about them. Do you think Thestrals can have their souls taken?
Yes, they're 5 for a galleon at Honeyduke's.
a variation: it may not be 1:1 for dementor creation,
it could take multiple damaged souls fusing together to form 1 dementor
both the original, mulltiple experimental subjects, including subjects of dark alchemy
and the kiss similarily
Wait, all avada kedabra does is remove the soul from the body?? If that's the case, then it should be possible to create a spell that can return a soul to the body. The hard part would be finding the right soul
I particularly loved the music you used! What is its name?
It’s a piece, ‘Harry in the Hedge Hog Maze’, something not familiar to most muggles.
@@TheQuincyEdwards Well thank you for keeping this "muggle" informed.
Maybe that’s why dementors suck souls because they want to have a soul
It was an old man on a island that hatted normies
I tend to think that a sailor transformed or became the first Dementor. Perhaps ALL of the first Dementors were those early sailors that were captured.
Where do we get all of this info? Like id love to know more
I have a hypothetical question who do you think would win a Dementor or a Starweird from the Star Wars universe I wish they were as famous as the Dementors are to me they are the Star Wars equivalent of a Dementor
title: "real origins"
2 seconds in: "this is my theory"
check the channel name...
I unsubscribed because of this
Dementors behave irrationally on account of anger and distress. 🕴️
So if a dementor had successfully sucked Harry's soul out of his body would it then leave the piece of Voldemorts soul behind and it takes over or would it be removed as well? Or could it possibly take Voldemorts soul and leave Harry's intact?
I think you are spot on.
Yo Guys Imagine is Demonsters were in The Berserk Verse! How much worse would that Berserk Verse be! How would Everyone react to Them as in the Apostles humans and Magical Creatures if they Learned Everything about them! And what they Do! And how would Guts and his Party Deal with them! And how would Everyone react if they Found the Solution they found! Just like in Harry Potter!
I would like to know how magic was born in the Wizarding world
I always thought they used the souls they collected to breed
Why did the dementors float around Hogwarts in the third year if they thrive within negative and horrible places. I can't imagine Dumbledore handing them a bunch of money if they stayed around Hogwarts for a few weeks or longer.
So these are the "things" that Prison Mike talked about in prison
These are interesting theories and seem viable. 👻👍
The original demntors were originally Numenóreans corrupted by their rings.
hmm. Sound like Voldemort have been taken half of his soul by birth by his dad.
Therefor he feel so desperate to stay a life.
Like a beast feel threaten and react on instinct.
Isn’t it explicitly stated in the third book that if the kiss is performed on someone they themselves turn into something like a dementor?
Since he spent his time torturing and tormenting innocent souls i think as the despair of it all got worse and worse, the very essense of the island was saturated with it. And because of this amount of despair the dementors manifsted form from all this. I dont think dementors come from souls. They are to pure i think.
Exactly what I was thinking. And perhaps the reason they make everyone else around them miserable is so that despair in turn can be formed into more Dementors
I actually feel sorry for J.K. nowadays. She keeps spouting hateful crap, but I think she is coming from a place of fear and depression. In a way, she's become a dementor herself.
The problem is, dementors themselves are soulless. So they couldn't be created from a soul. However, maybe the magic that created them is identical to the kiss. Torture a body an when they are an inch from death, pull out their soul. Maybe dementors can only be created from non-magical beings. Kiss a wizard, soulless life. Kiss a muggle, you get a dementor.
I guess this just depends on how you perceive the transformative nature of the soul. Good take, though!
So are dementors technically a type of Wraith?
I would watch a movie based on this story. In fact I need this movie.
So did Harry have a Oscuris?
Dementor - De - Men - Tor
The-Man-Tor(tured).
Sounds legit