Honestly, if you think about it from the books' perspective, Ron went out with lavender because Genny got on Ron about him never kissing anyone. This is why Ron started dating Lavender and kissed her mainly when other students were around.
He also made it clear he felt she had gotten too clingy and was losing interest in her, well before the chocolate cauldrons, complaining that all they did was snog and complaining of chapped lips. He was just a teenager caught up in the whirlwind of hormones, and started to realize how shallow it all was. I don't buy the potion thing, myself.
@@xenosaga8436 it changes the perception, because your trying to make it seem like they are selling something that isn’t already available or taught to children at school. I’m not saying the potions are ok, but singling the weasley’s out for something that is normal in their society is strange to me. Y not emphasize that they were taught it is school
I find it strange that Obliviate isn't among the unforgivable curses, considering just how powerful it is. You could literally obliviate the minister for magic and get away with anything.
@@BouncingZeus As well as other things. I remember the night bus scene, when the guy on the bus says "Muggles? They don't see nothing, do they?" implying that muggles just cannot see a lot of the magical world. The memory charm would be used if muggles somehow came across something magical that they could see. I think they do this in one of the fantastic beasts movies, don't they?
@@jonnyb.animationstutorials7119Muggles can see quite a bit. The founders put a lot of charms around the castle of Hogwarts so muggles wouldn’t see it.
@jonnyb.animationstutorials7119 Yes, they do. I thought in one of the main books, they did the memory charm to Harry's aunt, whom he inflated when he got mad.
Yes, you are all correct. But the aurors were also allowed to use the killing curse in the first war with Voldemort. Exceptions does not invalidate a rule.
I'm not sure about the Lavender Brown using a love potion on Ron theory. To me, Ron went out with Lavender for two reasons. 1, Ginny giving him a hard time about him never kissing anyone. and 2, He wanted to make Hermione jealous. Regarding the theory about Dumbledore wanting to turn Harry into an obscurial, I think he put too much faith in Vernon and Petunia, by expecting them to tell Harry about his magical heritage. Considering how much the Dursleys hate magic, they did everything they could to keep Harry from finding out about magic and his heritage.
Its an interesting theory but it doesn't make sense, if she did then he wouldn't remember they were together if he stopped drinking it and she would have to always give it to him at roughly the same time every day, even on weekends? Doesn't sound possible.
I just remembered that Love Potion affects differently. Once, when Ron mistakenly drunk it, he started acting like a completely different person. He was crying, he couldn't live without Romilda Wayne, he wanted to see and find her immediately, he wanted to stay with her forever. He couldn't think about anything else. Harry had to take him to potion class immediately because he was uncontrolled. So, yes, the Potion theory is false
The theory about Lavender can be easily disproven, as Ron started losing interest in her well before he got poisoned. Additionally, Lavender was the first girl who had shown him any attention (most of it was directed to Harry, further feeding his feelings of inferiority). Additionally, Lavender had shown Ron attention prior, wishing him luck and attending Quidditch tryouts, something she had not done before. Lavender likely developed an infatuation with him over the summer break after the events of Order of the Phoenix, where Ron was a part of the group that fought off the Death Eaters led by Lucius Malfoy, many of whom ended up in Azkaban because of this. This was also just after he discovered Ginny kissing Dean Thomas and got into a nasty argument with her (Ginny having insulted Ron for never being in a relationship before, using Hermione as an example to further hurt his feelings). So Ron, being the constantly overlooked friend of Harry Potter, likely latched on to her affections immediately. Also, we never really find out how Love Potions would interact with each other, as he was also "afflicted" (for lack of a better word) by one used by Romilda Vane, completely disregarding Lavender in his pursuit of her. While this is all speculation, it's highly unlikely that potions would override each other, instead causing the imbiber to become obsessed with both. Also, after Lavender breaks up with Ron, he mentions having wanted out of the relationship for a while now and was relieved he didn't have to be the one to dump her (to which Hermione snarkily responds "Coward").
Yes, in book Love Potion affected differently. When Ron drunk it he couldn't think about anything else except of Romilda Wayne, he acted very unnatural and creepy. Even his speech was unnatural, he seemed like the completely other person. However, it never happened neither before, nor after
The moment he said read the opening lines, I figured where he was going. I would actually assume that this might work if a person had been rendered unconscious, as they have no assertive will. This does not make this instance less sad, but maybe provides hope for others in similar situations.
@@jayt9608 I think in the HP universe, if someone is unconscious they still have their soul inside them. A dead person is no longer has a soul, as the soul has gone on into the afterlife and what remains is just flesh and blood without that extra special "something" that makes a person a person.
I'm pretty sure people could hold hands when travelling by Portkey. They just touch the Portkey at the same time because grabbing people is rude. Why would you be able to take objects with you and not people?
If Lavender already dosed Ron with a potion. And then he got dosed extra from the chocolates. That could explain why even Slughorn thought the love potion was a "bloody strong one too" based on Rons mooneyness.
He explains that love potions can mature or become stronger as they age. This would explain the abnormal strength of the ones in the cauldron cakes since they had been left alone for several months.
The potion was so strong because Harry forgot about those cakes and Ron found them after several months. But Love Potion affects differently even besides it. Ron didn't act as he liked Lavender much - it was pretty obvious, because she annoyed him. He liked the way she made him compliments, wished him luck etc., because no girl was so interested in him before. Besides, he is a teenager and needs some relationships. So that's why he started dating with her. Hermione could still be rude towards him, so he thought, it will be better to have a girlfriend who adores you than the girlfriend, who critiques you very often. But, when you drink Love Potion, you can see no problems with your partner, you love him/her and never leave him/her. You will do anything for your partner even if it's not in your interests - you don't remember what interests did you have earlier. That's how Love Potion works normally, even not the strongest one. But it was just not abot Ron and Lavender relationships
Not convinced by the first theory on Lavender Brown. 'Only PDA, superficial feelings, nicknames...' We're talking about teenagers having high school sweethearts there! And I'm saying that being with my high school sweetheart for almost ten years now, but I think people tend to judge Lavender too harshly through the Hermione lens. Ron liked the attention that he lacked in his family and being 'The Chosen One''s bestfriend, liked making Hermione jealous, and used Lavender Brown for that. The creepy side is more on him than anything else imo.
Ron isn't obsessed with Lavender, though, she's just an outlet for the frustration of jealousy with Hermione and Ginny's experience of a twelve-year-old comment. If anything, the idea that Ron gave HER the potion makes more sense. She's far more obsessed with Ron than vice versa, basically from out of the blue and for no reason.
It's called puberty. Especially female puberty. You'd be amazed at how obsessed girls that age can get with a single person out of the blue for no apparent reason. And that obsession, under normal circumstances, passes in a month or two. But can easily be replaced with another obsession if the first one goes unanswered while a new one presents itself. "Impressionable girls" is not just a random thing. It's the reason our world's cultures treat girls this age very differently from girls before reaching that age. Of course it's not real love, it's just hormone overdose.
That was my thinking as well, Lavender shows the signs of being under the influence, Ron doesn’t. He just seems like a horny teen along for the ride. Though I would say that it would make more sense if there was a third party involved. Ron doesn’t seem interested enough in her to have done it himself, more likely someone else did it without his knowledge.
Agreed, but I'd say he did it to make Hermione jealous or just for the fun and after he got dosed himself he realized how horrible and terrifying it was so he stopped giving it to her. Never admitting to it to anyone
It seems more likely, to me at least, the Dumbledore instructed the Dursleys to tell Harry about his magic knowing full well that this would make them decide to never tell him. He may have used their spiteful nature to protect young Harry from needing to suppress his magic
Idk about the books I haven’t read them in years but in the movies there is a line that says that they had been promised that no talk or interaction that side of Harry’s heritage
@@chequesaurus The line in the books is that they swore when they took him in (no wizard present) that they wouldn't have any of the magical nonsense in their home. This was an oath to themselves not to anyone else.
Since Rowlings didn't come up with the Obscuris concept until later in the books its just as likely it wasn't a conceptual possibility about which anyone need be concerned.
That is not common knowledge tbf. Only Dumbledore and Harry had suspicions that Voldemort was conceived using a love potion. But still, the fact that the imperius curse is an unforgivable curse but love potions are so accepted everywhere is baffling to me, as they both essentially just take away consent from the victim.
That always confused me even as a teen when I read the books. Love potions are no different from the Imperius curse. Voldy's mother should have been in Azkaban.
Voldemort impersonating harry would not have worked for long - Remember when Lupin asks "What creature was on my desk the first time Harry walked into my office!?" They were clearly aware of the possibility of Polyjuice infiltration (probably from the First Wizarding War) so as soon as "Harry" started acting too weird/dark someone would have started asking him security questions and most likely uncovered the plot.
@@Eliezar18 The theory I heard that I like the most is that the cup was always a portkey. The original portkey was supposed to transport you outside the maze. That the competitors didn't know is weird, but not unthinkable, since Harry was surprised by several things that were part of the tournament lol. What Crouch did was add another portkey charm on top of the existing one so it would have two stops so to speak. However, in this theory, Voldemort would have just come back with his Death eaters, taken the Minister and Dumbledore by surprise, and killed everyone who resisted him since so many people were there.
@@Eliezar18 The original plan was to bring Harry to the graveyard, use his blood, kill him and return his body so nobody would suspect his death was anything other than an accident- which would have allowed Voldemort to stay hidden and take over the Ministry before anyone realised he was back.
Did Dumbledore employ Lockheart to expose him? Or because he knew for a fact every single DADA teacher has met a grizzly and often fatal fate upon taking the job
I don't think Dumbledore planned on it, he just didn't care if something happened that prevented Lockhart from carrying on as DADA professor. He mainly employed him to expose him - and possibly as a bit of fun. At the expense of the students' learning mind you..
We had only seen one teacher meet a terrible fate by that point, and he had Voldemort glued to the back of his head, so he brought it on himself. We have no idea how the curse presented itself other years before that. But looking at the track record after, I wouldn't say every single teacher met a grizzly or fatal fate. Lupin left unscathed and gained an old friend. Moody lived and seems more or less like himself (or what we knew of him at least), although Barty Jr got a dementor's kiss. Umbridge inserted herself and lived, but probably has a few emotional scars from the centaurs. Snape was planned because of what had to be done by the end of the year, but he lived. So going by that, I wouldn't say that prior to Lockhart, all the teachers had a terrible fate. Just that they had to leave the position.
The problem with the impersonation plan is that it would be impossible to maintain for long, especially for someone as emotionally stunted as Voldemort. Ron, Hermione, Dumbledore, etc. would notice the changes too quickly and Cedrick's death couldn't explain it all. There's also the fact he's an adult trying to impersonate a 13 year old.
Some people say the plan was not for Voldemort to impersonate Harry, but for Wormtail to do it, since he has spent 3 years with the trio as a rat and probably knows them way better than Voldemort :/
Impersonating Harry would only make sense to get near Dumbledore and catch him offguard to kill him, but in this case he could have just let Barty Crouch Jr. do it, as he was already perfectly positioned. And I do not think he would have trusted Wormtail with any important job 😅 he needed watching
Lavender and Ron relationship is the most typical teens classmates thing ever hahah Ron was over her by the winter holidays but didn't wanna communicate 🤣🤣🤣
The obscurial theory is not even that off; Dumbledore was a highly skilled legilimens, had a great deal of empathy and more life experience than most. Am I to take it that he had no idea about the Dursleys, their nature and their attitude towards magic? He later scolds them (amusing scene in the book btw) for their bullying which was great, but why did he just leave Harry alone for all those years? He paid Tom Riddle a physical/personal visit, rather than writing a letter. He knew. And he didn't remedy the situation.
He couldn’t take him out of that house due to Lily’s sacrifice. Sure he could have yelled at them but the Dursleys weren’t going to change who they were.
Maybe, or possibly just Dumbledore wanting to believe the best in people remembered Petunia more as the eager girl who was fascinated with magic than who she grew in to.
@@KimP0612 He could have said "Hey Harry, just checking in. You're a wizard and you are welcome to our school in X years. Cheerio!" Instead he let Harry live in misery with not much hope other than his imagination.
I think you can easily disproof Lavender love potion theory by just comparing Ron's behavior with the time he took Romilda's love potion, assuming they all work the same way.
Anyone in a position of school administrator who deliberately placed a fraudulent teacher is sick to begin with but this one is in charge of teaching children how to defend themselves. In charge of the safety of children. That is sick.
At least in Lockhart's case, the methodology in his books was accurate (as he needed it to be accurate to convince the wizarding world). So you could actually learn if you read the books. There's also a very good chance that he was the only applicant (other than Snape) that year. Filling the Dark Arts post was difficult in the best of years.
The Voldemort wanting to kill Harry and use polyjoice potion to assume his form makes no sense. They even said in the book that the reason the real Moody was kept alive was so that the potion would work. I think the person you’re turning into has to be alive for the potion to work, so he wouldn’t have been able to kill Harry and then use the potion endlessly.
Ron's heavy lean into Lavender was because his little sister made fun of him for never having a kiss and he was out to prove her wrong until it became awkward and he saw the codependency
If I reconsider this right, it's impossible to mimic a deceased person with Polyjuice potion, that's why fake Moody had to keep the real one alive during the fourth year.
It Is highly likely it's possible to change to already deceased person appearance. So you can impersonate them as long as you have source of hair or nails for creating a polyjuice. It would be difficult, because it's only possible to do if noone knows the real person is no longer alive and also have the body in So good shape for longer time (it takes month to brew polyjuice So biological material would decay). It's not impossible to do, but the way is absolutely against the law.
@@janakracmarova7843 Well if it's possible, it makes no sense Barty Crouch Jr. would have kept Moody alive for a year. He already had defeated Moody and was successfully impersonating him. He could have killed him anytime, as keeping him alive might have been a greater risk than hiding his body. After all having him dead and making the potion from his hair (as you don't need a lot and hair doesn't decay so fast if kept under the right circumstances). That's why I assume Polyjuice can't be used to mimic a deceased person OR the level of decay might influence the outcome of the potion, so you'd end up looking like a zombie version of the person. But I'm just speculating here.
@factsoftheconfederacy7151 agreed. I can even accept that the book and film universes exist in a multiversity scenario but once you make something cannon you can't just change it without explanation
@@crazzyjjj1 yers it does, but not directly, just like when hermoine was described with a "pale face" to show she was white, in the 6th book when Lavender and Ron were making out, harry says he couldnt tell whose hands were whose, which since ron was white, Lavender had to have had a very similar skin tone as well for harry to not tell the difference, thus, Lavender was confirmed to be white
I doubt Lavander portioned Ron, he always thrived on attention. Remember how he kept making the 'story' of how he ended up in the lake during the tri-wizard more and more exciting as interest decreased. The only love potion we've seen on screen--and not just told about--is Ron just before being poisoned. Based on Ron's actions then, its more in line with Lavander being the one dosed. The two braking up after Ron getting a dose could be a sign he's not as evil as people like to think. Just without the ability to emphasize with people. Your Lockheart theory seems more likely than the usual Lockheart and students. Maybe that's just me feeling Lockheart couldn't be attracted to anyone other than himself.
Something I always found when they said half blood watch was crazy. Like with Harry being half blood. Yet his mom was a witch and his dad was full blooded. So with both Harry’s parents being a witch and wizard. You’d think hardy would be pure blood. But because lilys parents weren’t witch’s. That makes Harry half blood? Idk. Feel like he’s more like 3/4 wizard
First Theory: The drink for the pick-me-up was poisoned, too... however, I wonder if part of the problem wasn't that he was kind of OD'ing (not terminal), so the effects of the potion were REALLY strong, way more than any single potion dose would cause. But, what if he had gotten 2 doses? Potions are just like any non-magical drug or drink, need to watch how much in a certain amount of time. Third Theory: doesn't really make sense. Sure, Dumbledore had some pretty dark schemes going on, but he knew of the Dursley's through his friendship with the Potter's. So, he would know just how horrible they were, but also how 'rhabdophobic' (fear of supernatural things, including magic) they were. So, he'd never have expected them to tell Harry, which busts that theory. However, had he NOT told them to explain things to him at some point? They may have actually explained, but shamed him for it, making him feel like crap and worse... thus causing the Obscurus situation mentioned. But, because he instructed them to do so, he would know that A: they would automatically want to do the opposite of what he wanted; and B: Wonder 'why' he wanted them to do it, like it was some 'Wizarding-Scheme' or other nasty tricks, thus safer to NOT tell Harry anything, just in case. So, I think he told them to explain, simply to prevent Harry from going down that path, but knowing it would mean Harry would need a lot of help once he came of age - like that extra owls would need to be sent, that it might become a kind of 'mini-war' with the Dursleys since they would not have told him anything; and that close attention to their location (keeping them tracked) might become necessary, and so much more.
Funny this video points out how Lavander and Ron's relationship was superficial and sudden but no mention of how Harry and Ginny's were the same. Prior to Half Blood Prince Harry showed no interest romantically in Ginny and talking to Ron about how she has nice skin. Sounds superficial and sudden to me.
Ginny and Harry's continued relationship make it unlikely there was a love potion involved, but that initial scene has always felt really weird to me too.
I dont rememeber the skin thing happening in the books?? Harry and Ginny spent so many summers and Christmas breaks together. At the beggining of the sixth year harry mentions how strange it was when she left them to see her own friends because he had gotten so used to being around her. They share so much in common like Quidditch. And they are both really snarky. There is even a scene when harry is going on and on about how nobody understands what it feels like being possesed by Voldemort (I can't remember if it was Phoenix or half blood prince) and Ginny reminds him (in a snarky way) that she had spent a whole year possesed by voldemort. Harry and Ginny are a very organic relationship that develops over time. He starts looking at her differently after one of the many summers they spent together, Ginny was always in love with him. If you only watched the movies it does come out of nowhere. But reading the books you can see how Harry's mind starts to change and he slowly develops feelings for her. And when he sees her kissing Dean he looses his mind and realized just how much he really likes her. Ginny is one of the coolest girls Harry knows, is no wonder he ended up falling for her.
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My thoughts on this: 5) Highly plausible: the relationship between them always felt a bit a strange and somewhat coming out of nowhere and ended also rather odd. A soft love potion to nudge him in her direction, sounds possible. 4) Highly plausible and probably even worse: while I don't think he really forced himself on someone, he didn't need to as he was superficially charming on his own that easily could get him in positions that better be forgotten afterwards nevertheless... 3) Almost confirmed: we know that Harry's survival and return ruined Voldemorts plans about his return. Voldemort didn't want to be exposed so soon, which meant Harry had to die. But even if he (and Cedric) "only" went missing, questions would be raised, so the plan was probably for either Voldemort himself and a Death Eater OR two Death Eaters, returning with the Portkey (which had a function to return people back to Hogwarts), disguised as Harry and Cedric to keep up the ruse. 2) Only explanation: without a soul, Cedric's remains is just a body and there are other hints that a dead body is more an object than anything else. Like how Barty Crouch Jr. killed his father and transformed the body into a bone... 1) The only one I don't really believe. Dumbledore was committed to the greater good, sure but creating an Obscurial seems to be too extreme (and too unpredictable) for Dumbledore, especially seeing his own history with his sister turning Obscurial. He knew the nightmare and dangers, he wouldn't go that far and he didn't need to, as Harry was already on his way to become a fantastic weapon for Dumbledore.
1. Everyone was shopping at the Weasley's so it could be, but they made movie-Lavender way too dirty.. 2. That would have come out and be an outrage.. i don't think so. 3. Way too much effort on Voldemorts part and quite unnecessary. 4. That's not a theory, just facts. 5. Dumbledore wanted a humble kid, but not a broken one, no..
Oh my God! For the love of Afrodite, Lavender never ever gave Ron a love potion! People are confusin Romilda givin Harry a box of chocolates filled with a Love Potion with what happened between Lavender and Ron!? There was no love potion involved! Absolutely none! Ron acted like his true self, except he was in heat and petty while he was with Lavender. I blame the movies for not being more transparent with this because a lot of people who havent read the books are coming up to the conclusion that Ron took a love potion just because Lavender had this slight obsession towards Ron. P.S. I do agree that Love Potions, Obliviate and a few other spells such as Petrificus Totallus should be illegal, but thats aside the point.
Lavender giving Ron a love potion is something I had always thought happened. It just seemed too much of a coincidence that when Ron was given an antidote for one love potion that his affection for Lavender disappeared as well.
It was a coincidence, we've seen how Ron acts when under a love potion- he was near obsessive about Romilda but was never that way with Lavender. This theory is weak.
I don’t believe the Lavender one because Ron just doesn’t seem that into her whereas we see love potions make people feel an intense infatuation that borders on obsession.
Imagine the implications. You could have someone morph into Tom Riddle’s image. Perhaps you could also have someone turn into one of the founders if they found a preserved hair. I personally don’t think it would work, because what form would you turn into? What age would you be? Would you turn into a younger version of themselves or their current form? If they are dead, do you essentially look like a zombie? Does it depend how long they’ve been dead?
@@slytheringingerwitch Most of it, yes. Only the root and a little bit of hair is still 'alive.' Still has DNA in it - I wonder if the spell reads the DNA, and not the life/prana/mana of the being itself... Just a thought.
On the flipside to Dumbledore planning to use Harry as an Obscurial against Voldemort. My theory is that Dumbledore knew full well that the Dursley's would be too freaked out by magic to ever tell Harry about it. And Dumbledore knew they would ignore his instruction to tell Harry. And even if they did tell Harry, the Dursley's know too little about magic to muster the courage to force Harry to suppress it. This is not like in the Amazing Beasts series, where that one person i forgot about isn't "afraid" of magic and is forcefully making him suppress his magic. Who would the Dursleys be able to hurt if Harry didn't do magic? They made damn well sure Harry had no one to care for. So they couldn't wrangle his emotions. And even then, even if Harry knew he had some magic in him, he was still too young to become an Obscurial before coming to Hogwarts. Dumbledore knew this as well, Harry would simply get accepted at Hogwarts before he even had a chance to become one.
Remember that Harry wouldve known if Ron was taking amortentia. He was the one that figured out Ron's behaviour was off after Romilda Vane's love potion. Imo Ron was just trying to make Hermione jealous and to prove to Ginny he could score so Harry left him to it .
I honestly thought it was intended by the author that we would assume Lavender gave Ron a love potion, given that they all learned about it in class, Rumilda made one for Harry, and Ron's "symptoms" followed a clear pattern. What is also strongly implied is that Ginny gave Harry one, if you read the description of their relationship carefully. The potion wore off near the end of the book. But they ended up staying together, as a contrast to Ron and Lavender. One more example of Rowling's theme that it is our choices that ultimately matter.
I thought the Lavender giving Ron love potion was common sense? Because in the books and in the movie the relationship between them starts to develop after the potions class where Slughorn introduces the love potion in class. Is it really a theory?
Ron was never interested in Lavender. Only thing he does with her is kissing, when he's with Harry he never speaks highly of Lavender, he even directly disses her Christmas gift.
To the lavender theory, wouldn’t it be more logical for Lavenders love potion to have been cured or replaced when Ron conceded Romilda Vane’s love potion, or both cured when Slughorn gave him the potion to cure all love potion effects? Thats why he was finally able to show his affection for Hermione by saying her name in the hospital wing.
To the Dumbledore obscurial theory: He had no choice but to place Harry with his blood relative. Petunia was the only one left. AND he knew the prophecy, which said the kid would become a threat to Voldemort. Most obscurials die very very young (Credence was the exeption, which is pointed out in fantastic beasts). (And as some comments here suggest, he was a great legilimens and could have predicted the Dursleys actions) Obscurials are more a danger to those around them, than against a particular enemy. I think he would have left too much to chance especially as Harry was so young. You could argue the prophecy guaranteed he would survive becoming an obscurial, but at cost of Harrys life sooner or later, as you can't survive ultimately. Dumbledore is a little twisted but i think his intentions were to always do the best possible thing. But i think he would have "used" Harrys Power either way, obscurial or not. But i do not think he forced it. I do not think he would have anyone go through this after the pain of seeing it drive his own sister mad and tearing his family apart.
The portkey thing is another theory that relies on the filmmakers not understanding the rules in the books, in the books, they grab the trophy at the same time
It's about coming back from the graveyard. By that point Cedric was dead, so he couldn't grab the cup. Harry grabbed his body with one hand and accio-ed the cup into the other. Cedric's body didn't even touch it, but it still got back with Harry.
I don't think Voldy would have been willing to pretend to be Harry himself. One of his death eaters, though? Maybe Barty Crouch Jr? oooorrrr... Draco... I could totally see Voldemort forcing Draco to do it.
Ron’s sudden interest in Lavender came from his heated argument with Ginny, where she scorned him for only having kissed their Aunt Muriel, and that Hermione had kissed Viktor Krum. It made Ron spiteful and reckless, and he jumped on the the first girl that showed him the slightest bit of interest.
I could say that Dumbledore have put Lockhart in his place because Dumbledore, knew that he was fraud and using that spell to take credit from other wizards and witches have done that Lockhart can't even do it himself.
No…Ron was becoming more interesting due to being on the quidditch team, also being at the fight in the ministry..not to mention..they are teenagers. No mystery here.
I am convinced that Dumbledore had plans within plans and contingency for contingencies. I think he had a plan to use Harry if just such an occurrence were to transpire.
I don't think Lavender used love potion. She didn't need that. Ron was just surprised somebody was interested in HIM. Voldemort once said, that Ron's parents didn't love him as much they loved Ginny and he felt lack of love. He have also never been so popular as Harry. But Lavender liked him besides he was not neither popular, nor handsome, she made him compliments and laughed with his jokes and he couldn't resist it. While Hermione still could be rude towards him. So he thought, that the Lavender will be better girlfriend
What transformation would take place in the event that one were to use the hair of an already transformed witch or wizard in a polyjuice potion? E.g. If one were to take the hair of Voldemort in Harry Potter form and then use that in a polyjuice potion, do they turn into Harry or Voldemort?
Well, if polyjuice potion turns someone into the owner of the hair used in the potion, then it's logical to assume they are that person for the duration of the potion. Meaning if someone took the hair of the transformed polyjuiced person and used it to polyjuice themselves, then they should transform into the owner of that hair. However, logic also says that if a polyjuiced person becomes the person belonging to the original hair used in the polyjuice potion, then original Mad-Eye Moody wouldn't have been needed to be kept in a trunk because the transformed person could just pull hair out of their own head to keep polyjuicing into Mad-Eye Moody form. But, since the original Mad-Eye needed to be kept in a trunk, that means the transformed person isn't actually the person they transformed into... Ok, my head hurts now.
I don't think Dementors can detect horcruxes. Honestly, what confused me was that Dumbledore knew Riddle was looking into horcruxes during school. And knew about the curse on the defense against the dark arts job, yet didn't do anything about it? I believe the diadem hidden in the room of requirement held the curse on the position.
She should've been thrown in Azkaban for that little Love Potion plan of hers. My theory is that Love potion Tom Riddle's mother used was a large part (or the whole part) of him being born a Sociopath
I was amazed that Ron bashed lockhart on the head with a jagged stone off the floor...sure he shut him up but could have 'done in' the poor fool permanently. Think about that in a kids film!
I think the theory with Lavender does not hold up. As you described it was Lavender who was insanely affectionate towards Ron. Ron was clearly enthusiastic about the physical part, but other than that never displays any deeper interest. He hardly mentioned her to Harry at all and at some point admitting even that they mostly just snog. Love potions are not blue pills, as also demonstrated by Ron, they'd make you extremely emotionally needy not just physical. One could utilize a love potion against an enemy and just string them along as they would never display any self preservation, but would do everything in their power to prove themselves worthy. Which is, in essence how Lavender behaves, not Ron. I am not trying to insinuate that Ron spiked her drinks. It is not in his character to go that far and she would not have continued her behavior over the holidays, because he could not have spiked her with it there. Lavender was an overly emotional teenage girl and behaved as such. Ron was ... in that regard just a prick towards her, knowing full well that he was not interested but he felt flattered by her attention, seeing as he never got much of it before compared to his friends. So when Lavender displayed any interest he just seized the opportunity at her expense to get back on Hermione and Ginny. And he felt guilty about it afterwards. But he did not want to face the consequence of his behavior by admitting it to her, he is pretty conflict avoiding, in all of his fights he is not one to articulate his point, he just distances himself. So he tried to ghost her too, which naturally in the setup of Hogwarts does not work at all. Its not pretty but its rather normal behavior at that age for both Lavender and Ron.
Both of these are true, but he would need to publically discredit Lockheart, and that could not be done by either of those methods. Bringing him on as a teacher is the best of all possible solutions to a degree.
I feel like many weird or wrong decisions wizards make look wrong to us becouse Wizard are inherently a very different community, almost a different species especially those that are most distant from muggles.
Theory 1. Bullshit. Ron did not act AT ALL as if he was in love with Lavender. It was obvious that he only enjoyed attention from girls, and started to gradually have enough of Lavender as the time went by. Theory 2. Quite reasonable. I've never thought about it and it could be true. Theory 3. Sounds actually amazing. But I'm not sure if it's realistic, I think Dumbledore would instantly find out it's not Harry if he could find out that Moody actually was Barty just by him taking Harry to his room without consultation. However the plot is pretty clever. Theory 4. Pretty obvious right? Theory 5. Probably not. In the Order of the Phoenix, Dumbledore told Harry that he was happy that the latter came into Hogwarts in once piece, however not like he wished. Which means that he expected the Dursleys to treat Harry right. But it could've been an another lie tho. But in the Half-blood Prince he also confronted and even bullied the Dursleys for abusing Harry, which is definetely not in his style, so he must have been genuinely upset about the Dursleys not treating Harry as expected. However, you never know tho.
Wasn't it also revealed that part of the reason Lockhart was hired was to show the folly and dangers of letting fame go to your head, to keep Harry humble?
Here's something to think about: Are Ginny's feelings for Harry genuine? Or is she just drawn to the piece of Tom inside Harry? I believe she did become infatuated with Diary Tom in Book 2.
So is RUclips ever going to fix the glitch where when you click on a video there is no audio then you close RUclips completely just to get the audio to start working for the video you were just watching? I'm really getting tired of them doing that not putting in the effort to make things work ever since Google touched it it seemed to fall apart and break I'm only saying this because it's happening right now as I'm telling it
It's literally been years since I read the novels or watched the movies, but while I think the Dursley's were horrible people in one sense, they weren't actually all that bad overall to Harry in a strict sense. He was fed, he had clothes (even if some where hand me downs), he even had toys and other things. His magical abilities not being acknowledged is a far far cry imo from being systematically beaten and/or abused for displaying magical talent. I don't think Dumbledore hoping that Harry would become an Obscurial holds up, mainly because I don't think anybody thinks an Obscurial is actually controllable as a weapon. It's more of a daemon from Warhammer (40k or Fantasy/AoS) or more like a monster of Id from Forbidden Planet (1956)
Honestly, if you think about it from the books' perspective, Ron went out with lavender because Genny got on Ron about him never kissing anyone. This is why Ron started dating Lavender and kissed her mainly when other students were around.
Not to mention, it’s the first time he has a girl interested in him like that, and his first girlfriend
I thought he did it more because Hermione kissed Victor Krum and he got jealous
@@johnathanleitheiser8665he was, but what Ginny said about never kissing anyone hit him harder.
He also made it clear he felt she had gotten too clingy and was losing interest in her, well before the chocolate cauldrons, complaining that all they did was snog and complaining of chapped lips. He was just a teenager caught up in the whirlwind of hormones, and started to realize how shallow it all was. I don't buy the potion thing, myself.
I agree. You don't need a complicated theory to explain this, you just had to be 16 years old once. And have read the books.
The fact that "love potions" are not only legal, but sold by the Weasley brothers is extremely creepy.
Kinda yea
They teach kids how to make it, y not make your money ?
@@clarezoldyck1482 The fact that they teach kids how to make magic GHB doesn't make it better.
@@xenosaga8436 it changes the perception, because your trying to make it seem like they are selling something that isn’t already available or taught to children at school. I’m not saying the potions are ok, but singling the weasley’s out for something that is normal in their society is strange to me. Y not emphasize that they were taught it is school
They have limits that were created by Ministry of Magic after "Riddle Incident". Such as no intercourse can be achieved through them.
Yeah, I think we all have an even darker theory for why Lockhart would want to obliviate students in his room...
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Chap definitely seems a bit too fond of the attention, from fawning underage girls
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I wanted to say dumbeldor wouldn't allow it
But I rememberd it is actually very on his character to not just give a F
I find it strange that Obliviate isn't among the unforgivable curses, considering just how powerful it is.
You could literally obliviate the minister for magic and get away with anything.
Because it's used to keep the magic world hidden.
@@BouncingZeus As well as other things. I remember the night bus scene, when the guy on the bus says "Muggles? They don't see nothing, do they?" implying that muggles just cannot see a lot of the magical world. The memory charm would be used if muggles somehow came across something magical that they could see. I think they do this in one of the fantastic beasts movies, don't they?
@@jonnyb.animationstutorials7119Muggles can see quite a bit. The founders put a lot of charms around the castle of Hogwarts so muggles wouldn’t see it.
@jonnyb.animationstutorials7119 Yes, they do. I thought in one of the main books, they did the memory charm to Harry's aunt, whom he inflated when he got mad.
Yes, you are all correct.
But the aurors were also allowed to use the killing curse in the first war with Voldemort.
Exceptions does not invalidate a rule.
I'm not sure about the Lavender Brown using a love potion on Ron theory. To me, Ron went out with Lavender for two reasons. 1, Ginny giving him a hard time about him never kissing anyone. and 2, He wanted to make Hermione jealous.
Regarding the theory about Dumbledore wanting to turn Harry into an obscurial, I think he put too much faith in Vernon and Petunia, by expecting them to tell Harry about his magical heritage. Considering how much the Dursleys hate magic, they did everything they could to keep Harry from finding out about magic and his heritage.
I think you're right. The video put too much into things. Occam's Razor is best here.
Agreed, think Rowling wanted a bit of teenage drama, and brief relationships is definitely a thing when you are growing up.
Its an interesting theory but it doesn't make sense, if she did then he wouldn't remember they were together if he stopped drinking it and she would have to always give it to him at roughly the same time every day, even on weekends? Doesn't sound possible.
It was also because she was the first girl interested in him (outwardly…different from how Hermione shows it)…and therefore his first girlfriend.
I just remembered that Love Potion affects differently. Once, when Ron mistakenly drunk it, he started acting like a completely different person. He was crying, he couldn't live without Romilda Wayne, he wanted to see and find her immediately, he wanted to stay with her forever. He couldn't think about anything else. Harry had to take him to potion class immediately because he was uncontrolled.
So, yes, the Potion theory is false
The theory about Lavender can be easily disproven, as Ron started losing interest in her well before he got poisoned. Additionally, Lavender was the first girl who had shown him any attention (most of it was directed to Harry, further feeding his feelings of inferiority). Additionally, Lavender had shown Ron attention prior, wishing him luck and attending Quidditch tryouts, something she had not done before.
Lavender likely developed an infatuation with him over the summer break after the events of Order of the Phoenix, where Ron was a part of the group that fought off the Death Eaters led by Lucius Malfoy, many of whom ended up in Azkaban because of this. This was also just after he discovered Ginny kissing Dean Thomas and got into a nasty argument with her (Ginny having insulted Ron for never being in a relationship before, using Hermione as an example to further hurt his feelings). So Ron, being the constantly overlooked friend of Harry Potter, likely latched on to her affections immediately.
Also, we never really find out how Love Potions would interact with each other, as he was also "afflicted" (for lack of a better word) by one used by Romilda Vane, completely disregarding Lavender in his pursuit of her. While this is all speculation, it's highly unlikely that potions would override each other, instead causing the imbiber to become obsessed with both.
Also, after Lavender breaks up with Ron, he mentions having wanted out of the relationship for a while now and was relieved he didn't have to be the one to dump her (to which Hermione snarkily responds "Coward").
Yes, in book Love Potion affected differently. When Ron drunk it he couldn't think about anything else except of Romilda Wayne, he acted very unnatural and creepy. Even his speech was unnatural, he seemed like the completely other person. However, it never happened neither before, nor after
Cedric's body being reduced to an object is the theory that makes complete sense to me.
DnD has that as a rule
The moment he said read the opening lines, I figured where he was going. I would actually assume that this might work if a person had been rendered unconscious, as they have no assertive will. This does not make this instance less sad, but maybe provides hope for others in similar situations.
Object vessel, same thing but the latter sounds better.
A soul cannot travel by portkey unwillingly. A vessel can.
@@jayt9608 I think in the HP universe, if someone is unconscious they still have their soul inside them. A dead person is no longer has a soul, as the soul has gone on into the afterlife and what remains is just flesh and blood without that extra special "something" that makes a person a person.
I'm pretty sure people could hold hands when travelling by Portkey. They just touch the Portkey at the same time because grabbing people is rude.
Why would you be able to take objects with you and not people?
If Lavender already dosed Ron with a potion. And then he got dosed extra from the chocolates. That could explain why even Slughorn thought the love potion was a "bloody strong one too" based on Rons mooneyness.
He explains that love potions can mature or become stronger as they age. This would explain the abnormal strength of the ones in the cauldron cakes since they had been left alone for several months.
The potion was so strong because Harry forgot about those cakes and Ron found them after several months.
But Love Potion affects differently even besides it. Ron didn't act as he liked Lavender much - it was pretty obvious, because she annoyed him. He liked the way she made him compliments, wished him luck etc., because no girl was so interested in him before. Besides, he is a teenager and needs some relationships. So that's why he started dating with her. Hermione could still be rude towards him, so he thought, it will be better to have a girlfriend who adores you than the girlfriend, who critiques you very often.
But, when you drink Love Potion, you can see no problems with your partner, you love him/her and never leave him/her. You will do anything for your partner even if it's not in your interests - you don't remember what interests did you have earlier. That's how Love Potion works normally, even not the strongest one. But it was just not abot Ron and Lavender relationships
Not convinced by the first theory on Lavender Brown. 'Only PDA, superficial feelings, nicknames...' We're talking about teenagers having high school sweethearts there! And I'm saying that being with my high school sweetheart for almost ten years now, but I think people tend to judge Lavender too harshly through the Hermione lens. Ron liked the attention that he lacked in his family and being 'The Chosen One''s bestfriend, liked making Hermione jealous, and used Lavender Brown for that. The creepy side is more on him than anything else imo.
Ron isn't obsessed with Lavender, though, she's just an outlet for the frustration of jealousy with Hermione and Ginny's experience of a twelve-year-old comment. If anything, the idea that Ron gave HER the potion makes more sense. She's far more obsessed with Ron than vice versa, basically from out of the blue and for no reason.
It's called puberty. Especially female puberty.
You'd be amazed at how obsessed girls that age can get with a single person out of the blue for no apparent reason.
And that obsession, under normal circumstances, passes in a month or two. But can easily be replaced with another obsession if the first one goes unanswered while a new one presents itself.
"Impressionable girls" is not just a random thing. It's the reason our world's cultures treat girls this age very differently from girls before reaching that age.
Of course it's not real love, it's just hormone overdose.
That was my thinking as well, Lavender shows the signs of being under the influence, Ron doesn’t. He just seems like a horny teen along for the ride.
Though I would say that it would make more sense if there was a third party involved. Ron doesn’t seem interested enough in her to have done it himself, more likely someone else did it without his knowledge.
Seems just like adolescent being adolescents
Exactly, so glad you said all these, wish more people would get this too
Agreed, but I'd say he did it to make Hermione jealous or just for the fun and after he got dosed himself he realized how horrible and terrifying it was so he stopped giving it to her. Never admitting to it to anyone
My favorite theory is that Voldemort possessed a fetus
It seems more likely, to me at least, the Dumbledore instructed the Dursleys to tell Harry about his magic knowing full well that this would make them decide to never tell him. He may have used their spiteful nature to protect young Harry from needing to suppress his magic
Considering what we find out later about Dumbledore it seems likely he at one point he has manipulated someone
Idk about the books I haven’t read them in years but in the movies there is a line that says that they had been promised that no talk or interaction that side of Harry’s heritage
@@chequesaurus The line in the books is that they swore when they took him in (no wizard present) that they wouldn't have any of the magical nonsense in their home. This was an oath to themselves not to anyone else.
what if the idea was the opposite of an obscuris? harry grew up with the issue being the non magical side so he is kinda the opposite of an obscuris
Since Rowlings didn't come up with the Obscuris concept until later in the books its just as likely it wasn't a conceptual possibility about which anyone need be concerned.
All the magical contraceptives is another theory. Hormonal students all dating eachother but not 1 magical pregnancy in hogwarts 😮
THAT'S why wizards marry so young?!! Lol.
Fetus Deletus!!!
Yes but that’s not exactly a dark theory
So love potions literally breed sadistic, dark wizard serial killers in the harry potter universe, and they're just selling them in stores. Wtf?
It's like selling GHB and Other Roofies at a dollar store.
That is not common knowledge tbf. Only Dumbledore and Harry had suspicions that Voldemort was conceived using a love potion. But still, the fact that the imperius curse is an unforgivable curse but love potions are so accepted everywhere is baffling to me, as they both essentially just take away consent from the victim.
That always confused me even as a teen when I read the books. Love potions are no different from the Imperius curse. Voldy's mother should have been in Azkaban.
Voldemort impersonating harry would not have worked for long - Remember when Lupin asks "What creature was on my desk the first time Harry walked into my office!?"
They were clearly aware of the possibility of Polyjuice infiltration (probably from the First Wizarding War) so as soon as "Harry" started acting too weird/dark someone would have started asking him security questions and most likely uncovered the plot.
Voldemort is too proud to pretend to be harry
The thing, though, is that it makes some sense. Why else would he make the cup a two way port key? Every other port key we see is single-use.
@@Eliezar18because JK is a pretty lazy writer lol
@@Eliezar18 The theory I heard that I like the most is that the cup was always a portkey. The original portkey was supposed to transport you outside the maze. That the competitors didn't know is weird, but not unthinkable, since Harry was surprised by several things that were part of the tournament lol.
What Crouch did was add another portkey charm on top of the existing one so it would have two stops so to speak.
However, in this theory, Voldemort would have just come back with his Death eaters, taken the Minister and Dumbledore by surprise, and killed everyone who resisted him since so many people were there.
@@Eliezar18 The original plan was to bring Harry to the graveyard, use his blood, kill him and return his body so nobody would suspect his death was anything other than an accident- which would have allowed Voldemort to stay hidden and take over the Ministry before anyone realised he was back.
Did Dumbledore employ Lockheart to expose him? Or because he knew for a fact every single DADA teacher has met a grizzly and often fatal fate upon taking the job
I don't think Dumbledore planned on it, he just didn't care if something happened that prevented Lockhart from carrying on as DADA professor.
He mainly employed him to expose him - and possibly as a bit of fun. At the expense of the students' learning mind you..
We had only seen one teacher meet a terrible fate by that point, and he had Voldemort glued to the back of his head, so he brought it on himself. We have no idea how the curse presented itself other years before that. But looking at the track record after, I wouldn't say every single teacher met a grizzly or fatal fate. Lupin left unscathed and gained an old friend. Moody lived and seems more or less like himself (or what we knew of him at least), although Barty Jr got a dementor's kiss. Umbridge inserted herself and lived, but probably has a few emotional scars from the centaurs. Snape was planned because of what had to be done by the end of the year, but he lived. So going by that, I wouldn't say that prior to Lockhart, all the teachers had a terrible fate. Just that they had to leave the position.
The problem with the impersonation plan is that it would be impossible to maintain for long, especially for someone as emotionally stunted as Voldemort. Ron, Hermione, Dumbledore, etc. would notice the changes too quickly and Cedrick's death couldn't explain it all. There's also the fact he's an adult trying to impersonate a 13 year old.
Some people say the plan was not for Voldemort to impersonate Harry, but for Wormtail to do it, since he has spent 3 years with the trio as a rat and probably knows them way better than Voldemort :/
Impersonating Harry would only make sense to get near Dumbledore and catch him offguard to kill him, but in this case he could have just let Barty Crouch Jr. do it, as he was already perfectly positioned.
And I do not think he would have trusted Wormtail with any important job 😅 he needed watching
It would be interesting to see how Voldemort turning himself into Harry would have impacted his body had he not taken Harry’s blood into himself
It's 11.14pm, I got work 5am and I'm tuning in because I'm still a harry potter fan 😂
I appreciate you!
Same here
Freaky, 11:14 pm here when I read this comment.
Crazy!! I am reading this at. 11:20 pm XD
Lavender and Ron relationship is the most typical teens classmates thing ever hahah Ron was over her by the winter holidays but didn't wanna communicate 🤣🤣🤣
The obscurial theory is not even that off; Dumbledore was a highly skilled legilimens, had a great deal of empathy and more life experience than most. Am I to take it that he had no idea about the Dursleys, their nature and their attitude towards magic? He later scolds them (amusing scene in the book btw) for their bullying which was great, but why did he just leave Harry alone for all those years? He paid Tom Riddle a physical/personal visit, rather than writing a letter.
He knew. And he didn't remedy the situation.
He couldn’t take him out of that house due to Lily’s sacrifice. Sure he could have yelled at them but the Dursleys weren’t going to change who they were.
Maybe, or possibly just Dumbledore wanting to believe the best in people remembered Petunia more as the eager girl who was fascinated with magic than who she grew in to.
@@KimP0612 He could have said "Hey Harry, just checking in. You're a wizard and you are welcome to our school in X years. Cheerio!"
Instead he let Harry live in misery with not much hope other than his imagination.
@@hansbystrom9983 I love the “cheerio” 😂
@@KimP0612 I know you heard Dumbledore say this in your mind ;)
I think you can easily disproof Lavender love potion theory by just comparing Ron's behavior with the time he took Romilda's love potion, assuming they all work the same way.
Problem with the lavender one is you see Ron’s discomfort when she breathes on the glass and draws a heart in the condensation
That´s just movie. Talking about source material - books.
They should have included a scene where Harry confronts Petunia about writing to Dumbledore and asking to go to Hogwarts.
Anyone in a position of school administrator who deliberately placed a fraudulent teacher is sick to begin with but this one is in charge of teaching children how to defend themselves. In charge of the safety of children. That is sick.
At least in Lockhart's case, the methodology in his books was accurate (as he needed it to be accurate to convince the wizarding world). So you could actually learn if you read the books. There's also a very good chance that he was the only applicant (other than Snape) that year. Filling the Dark Arts post was difficult in the best of years.
Good thing it's a fictional book.
@@meacadwell In this case, not even that. This is conjecture regarding a theoretical scenario based on a fictional book.
@@jacktribble5253 Thank you for proving my point.
@@meacadwell In so much as you had one, You are quite welcome.
The Voldemort wanting to kill Harry and use polyjoice potion to assume his form makes no sense. They even said in the book that the reason the real Moody was kept alive was so that the potion would work. I think the person you’re turning into has to be alive for the potion to work, so he wouldn’t have been able to kill Harry and then use the potion endlessly.
Ron's heavy lean into Lavender was because his little sister made fun of him for never having a kiss and he was out to prove her wrong until it became awkward and he saw the codependency
I thought the love potion was canon for years. Didnt realise it wasnt
If I reconsider this right, it's impossible to mimic a deceased person with Polyjuice potion, that's why fake Moody had to keep the real one alive during the fourth year.
It Is highly likely it's possible to change to already deceased person appearance. So you can impersonate them as long as you have source of hair or nails for creating a polyjuice.
It would be difficult, because it's only possible to do if noone knows the real person is no longer alive and also have the body in So good shape for longer time (it takes month to brew polyjuice So biological material would decay). It's not impossible to do, but the way is absolutely against the law.
@@janakracmarova7843 Well if it's possible, it makes no sense Barty Crouch Jr. would have kept Moody alive for a year. He already had defeated Moody and was successfully impersonating him. He could have killed him anytime, as keeping him alive might have been a greater risk than hiding his body. After all having him dead and making the potion from his hair (as you don't need a lot and hair doesn't decay so fast if kept under the right circumstances). That's why I assume Polyjuice can't be used to mimic a deceased person OR the level of decay might influence the outcome of the potion, so you'd end up looking like a zombie version of the person. But I'm just speculating here.
8:03 well that insinuation got real dark real fast
1:24 it was also in her 6th year that she lost all of her melanin 😂
In the books, shes white. I think it was a mistake to race swap in the films and then go back.
@factsoftheconfederacy7151 agreed. I can even accept that the book and film universes exist in a multiversity scenario but once you make something cannon you can't just change it without explanation
@@factsoftheconfederacy7151 the books doesn't say what race she is.
@@crazzyjjj1 yers it does, but not directly, just like when hermoine was described with a "pale face" to show she was white, in the 6th book when Lavender and Ron were making out, harry says he couldnt tell whose hands were whose, which since ron was white, Lavender had to have had a very similar skin tone as well for harry to not tell the difference, thus, Lavender was confirmed to be white
@@XiaoYueMao Your face can be pale from fear when you have darker skin as well. It's an expression.
One theory I completely believe is that Dumbledore’s sister was an obscurus
I doubt Lavander portioned Ron, he always thrived on attention. Remember how he kept making the 'story' of how he ended up in the lake during the tri-wizard more and more exciting as interest decreased.
The only love potion we've seen on screen--and not just told about--is Ron just before being poisoned. Based on Ron's actions then, its more in line with Lavander being the one dosed. The two braking up after Ron getting a dose could be a sign he's not as evil as people like to think. Just without the ability to emphasize with people.
Your Lockheart theory seems more likely than the usual Lockheart and students. Maybe that's just me feeling Lockheart couldn't be attracted to anyone other than himself.
A corpse is an object in real life too, that’s no theory ☺️
If anything Ron gave Lavender a love potion. Ron was never obsessed with Lavender.
Something I always found when they said half blood watch was crazy. Like with Harry being half blood. Yet his mom was a witch and his dad was full blooded. So with both Harry’s parents being a witch and wizard. You’d think hardy would be pure blood. But because lilys parents weren’t witch’s. That makes Harry half blood? Idk. Feel like he’s more like 3/4 wizard
No Harry's kids are 3/4 blood, but anyone who isn't pure blood is called half blood.
8:57 good theory but The Order wasn’t remade yet, because it’s when Harry comes back they find out Voldys back and re form the order
The one with voldemort wanting to use polyjuice potion and coming back as harry was so creepy and cool!
Awesome as always thanks ❤
First Theory: The drink for the pick-me-up was poisoned, too... however, I wonder if part of the problem wasn't that he was kind of OD'ing (not terminal), so the effects of the potion were REALLY strong, way more than any single potion dose would cause. But, what if he had gotten 2 doses? Potions are just like any non-magical drug or drink, need to watch how much in a certain amount of time.
Third Theory: doesn't really make sense. Sure, Dumbledore had some pretty dark schemes going on, but he knew of the Dursley's through his friendship with the Potter's. So, he would know just how horrible they were, but also how 'rhabdophobic' (fear of supernatural things, including magic) they were. So, he'd never have expected them to tell Harry, which busts that theory. However, had he NOT told them to explain things to him at some point? They may have actually explained, but shamed him for it, making him feel like crap and worse... thus causing the Obscurus situation mentioned.
But, because he instructed them to do so, he would know that A: they would automatically want to do the opposite of what he wanted; and B: Wonder 'why' he wanted them to do it, like it was some 'Wizarding-Scheme' or other nasty tricks, thus safer to NOT tell Harry anything, just in case.
So, I think he told them to explain, simply to prevent Harry from going down that path, but knowing it would mean Harry would need a lot of help once he came of age - like that extra owls would need to be sent, that it might become a kind of 'mini-war' with the Dursleys since they would not have told him anything; and that close attention to their location (keeping them tracked) might become necessary, and so much more.
Cedrick literally tells Harry to bring his body back. Probably to give closure to his family. This theory makes perfect sense
Lavender was really scary with her extreme attraction to Ron!
the obscurist theory is so far out there and not in any way something Dumbledor would do knowing how unpredictable they are personally.
I thought Ron started dating Lavender just because he wanted to prove to Ginny that he could snog, too. Lol
I'd recommend the SuperCarlinBrothers Dumbledore's big plan theory as to why he hired lockheart
Your videos are amazing.
Thanks Nathan!
@@HarryPotterTheoryI always watch your videos because I love Harry Potter.
Okay, you finally got me, liked and subscribed lol
Funny this video points out how Lavander and Ron's relationship was superficial and sudden but no mention of how Harry and Ginny's were the same. Prior to Half Blood Prince Harry showed no interest romantically in Ginny and talking to Ron about how she has nice skin. Sounds superficial and sudden to me.
Ginny and Harry's continued relationship make it unlikely there was a love potion involved, but that initial scene has always felt really weird to me too.
@@ntm4 It was worse in the movies, as at least in the books it had Harry and Ginny developing a friendship first.
they spent time long before that and had a friendship. It does make more sense then Ron and Lavender, it was just bad writing on Rowling's part.
@@Nyuffykah True in the books, but not in the movies.
I dont rememeber the skin thing happening in the books??
Harry and Ginny spent so many summers and Christmas breaks together. At the beggining of the sixth year harry mentions how strange it was when she left them to see her own friends because he had gotten so used to being around her.
They share so much in common like Quidditch. And they are both really snarky. There is even a scene when harry is going on and on about how nobody understands what it feels like being possesed by Voldemort (I can't remember if it was Phoenix or half blood prince) and Ginny reminds him (in a snarky way) that she had spent a whole year possesed by voldemort.
Harry and Ginny are a very organic relationship that develops over time. He starts looking at her differently after one of the many summers they spent together, Ginny was always in love with him. If you only watched the movies it does come out of nowhere. But reading the books you can see how Harry's mind starts to change and he slowly develops feelings for her. And when he sees her kissing Dean he looses his mind and realized just how much he really likes her. Ginny is one of the coolest girls Harry knows, is no wonder he ended up falling for her.
If Lockhart just stuck to what he did best he probably could have created a way to cure health conditions that caused memory loss.
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So: In other words, Cedric was a spare? I completely buy that
My thoughts on this:
5) Highly plausible: the relationship between them always felt a bit a strange and somewhat coming out of nowhere and ended also rather odd. A soft love potion to nudge him in her direction, sounds possible.
4) Highly plausible and probably even worse: while I don't think he really forced himself on someone, he didn't need to as he was superficially charming on his own that easily could get him in positions that better be forgotten afterwards nevertheless...
3) Almost confirmed: we know that Harry's survival and return ruined Voldemorts plans about his return. Voldemort didn't want to be exposed so soon, which meant Harry had to die. But even if he (and Cedric) "only" went missing, questions would be raised, so the plan was probably for either Voldemort himself and a Death Eater OR two Death Eaters, returning with the Portkey (which had a function to return people back to Hogwarts), disguised as Harry and Cedric to keep up the ruse.
2) Only explanation: without a soul, Cedric's remains is just a body and there are other hints that a dead body is more an object than anything else. Like how Barty Crouch Jr. killed his father and transformed the body into a bone...
1) The only one I don't really believe. Dumbledore was committed to the greater good, sure but creating an Obscurial seems to be too extreme (and too unpredictable) for Dumbledore, especially seeing his own history with his sister turning Obscurial. He knew the nightmare and dangers, he wouldn't go that far and he didn't need to, as Harry was already on his way to become a fantastic weapon for Dumbledore.
1. Everyone was shopping at the Weasley's so it could be, but they made movie-Lavender way too dirty..
2. That would have come out and be an outrage.. i don't think so.
3. Way too much effort on Voldemorts part and quite unnecessary.
4. That's not a theory, just facts.
5. Dumbledore wanted a humble kid, but not a broken one, no..
Oh my God! For the love of Afrodite, Lavender never ever gave Ron a love potion! People are confusin Romilda givin Harry a box of chocolates filled with a Love Potion with what happened between Lavender and Ron!? There was no love potion involved! Absolutely none! Ron acted like his true self, except he was in heat and petty while he was with Lavender. I blame the movies for not being more transparent with this because a lot of people who havent read the books are coming up to the conclusion that Ron took a love potion just because Lavender had this slight obsession towards Ron. P.S. I do agree that Love Potions, Obliviate and a few other spells such as Petrificus Totallus should be illegal, but thats aside the point.
Excellent video as always, but how would Cedric dead body theory be considered creepy?
Lavender giving Ron a love potion is something I had always thought happened. It just seemed too much of a coincidence that when Ron was given an antidote for one love potion that his affection for Lavender disappeared as well.
That seems like more than a coincidence to me. If you didn't say it, I was going to.
It was a coincidence, we've seen how Ron acts when under a love potion- he was near obsessive about Romilda but was never that way with Lavender. This theory is weak.
I don’t believe the Lavender one because Ron just doesn’t seem that into her whereas we see love potions make people feel an intense infatuation that borders on obsession.
Does dead hair work in polyjuice potions?
Gonna make a video on this!
Imagine the implications. You could have someone morph into Tom Riddle’s image. Perhaps you could also have someone turn into one of the founders if they found a preserved hair. I personally don’t think it would work, because what form would you turn into? What age would you be? Would you turn into a younger version of themselves or their current form? If they are dead, do you essentially look like a zombie? Does it depend how long they’ve been dead?
Isn't hair essentially dead in any case?
@@slytheringingerwitch Most of it, yes. Only the root and a little bit of hair is still 'alive.' Still has DNA in it - I wonder if the spell reads the DNA, and not the life/prana/mana of the being itself... Just a thought.
Hair is basically dead anyway, but strangely enough, continues to grow after the person is dead.
On the flipside to Dumbledore planning to use Harry as an Obscurial against Voldemort.
My theory is that Dumbledore knew full well that the Dursley's would be too freaked out by magic to ever tell Harry about it. And Dumbledore knew they would ignore his instruction to tell Harry.
And even if they did tell Harry, the Dursley's know too little about magic to muster the courage to force Harry to suppress it.
This is not like in the Amazing Beasts series, where that one person i forgot about isn't "afraid" of magic and is forcefully making him suppress his magic.
Who would the Dursleys be able to hurt if Harry didn't do magic? They made damn well sure Harry had no one to care for. So they couldn't wrangle his emotions.
And even then, even if Harry knew he had some magic in him, he was still too young to become an Obscurial before coming to Hogwarts. Dumbledore knew this as well, Harry would simply get accepted at Hogwarts before he even had a chance to become one.
Remember that Harry wouldve known if Ron was taking amortentia. He was the one that figured out Ron's behaviour was off after Romilda Vane's love potion. Imo Ron was just trying to make Hermione jealous and to prove to Ginny he could score so Harry left him to it .
I honestly thought it was intended by the author that we would assume Lavender gave Ron a love potion, given that they all learned about it in class, Rumilda made one for Harry, and Ron's "symptoms" followed a clear pattern. What is also strongly implied is that Ginny gave Harry one, if you read the description of their relationship carefully. The potion wore off near the end of the book. But they ended up staying together, as a contrast to Ron and Lavender. One more example of Rowling's theme that it is our choices that ultimately matter.
I thought the Lavender giving Ron love potion was common sense? Because in the books and in the movie the relationship between them starts to develop after the potions class where Slughorn introduces the love potion in class. Is it really a theory?
I agree. I think Lavender was probably not as skilled in Potions as Romilda was.
?@@cnthm1252 A Romilda comprou a poção do amor nas Gemialidades Weasley
Ron was never interested in Lavender. Only thing he does with her is kissing, when he's with Harry he never speaks highly of Lavender, he even directly disses her Christmas gift.
He wasn't infatuated with her, though. There was no love from his side. She was just there for experience and to make Hermione jealous.
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To the lavender theory, wouldn’t it be more logical for Lavenders love potion to have been cured or replaced when Ron conceded Romilda Vane’s love potion, or both cured when Slughorn gave him the potion to cure all love potion effects? Thats why he was finally able to show his affection for Hermione by saying her name in the hospital wing.
To the Dumbledore obscurial theory:
He had no choice but to place Harry with his blood relative. Petunia was the only one left.
AND he knew the prophecy, which said the kid would become a threat to Voldemort. Most obscurials die very very young (Credence was the exeption, which is pointed out in fantastic beasts). (And as some comments here suggest, he was a great legilimens and could have predicted the Dursleys actions)
Obscurials are more a danger to those around them, than against a particular enemy. I think he would have left too much to chance especially as Harry was so young.
You could argue the prophecy guaranteed he would survive becoming an obscurial, but at cost of Harrys life sooner or later, as you can't survive ultimately. Dumbledore is a little twisted but i think his intentions were to always do the best possible thing.
But i think he would have "used" Harrys Power either way, obscurial or not. But i do not think he forced it. I do not think he would have anyone go through this after the pain of seeing it drive his own sister mad and tearing his family apart.
Maybe Ron gave Lavender the love potion to get his first kiss and make Hermione jealous. That would really be creepy.
The portkey thing is another theory that relies on the filmmakers not understanding the rules in the books, in the books, they grab the trophy at the same time
It's about coming back from the graveyard. By that point Cedric was dead, so he couldn't grab the cup. Harry grabbed his body with one hand and accio-ed the cup into the other. Cedric's body didn't even touch it, but it still got back with Harry.
The Lavender Theory to me could be used for Ginny...I always thought Ginny dosed him...
I don't think Voldy would have been willing to pretend to be Harry himself. One of his death eaters, though? Maybe Barty Crouch Jr? oooorrrr... Draco... I could totally see Voldemort forcing Draco to do it.
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Ron’s sudden interest in Lavender came from his heated argument with Ginny, where she scorned him for only having kissed their Aunt Muriel, and that Hermione had kissed Viktor Krum. It made Ron spiteful and reckless, and he jumped on the the first girl that showed him the slightest bit of interest.
the thumbnail is very creepy
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I could say that Dumbledore have put Lockhart in his place because Dumbledore, knew that he was fraud and using that spell to take credit from other wizards and witches have done that Lockhart can't even do it himself.
No…Ron was becoming more interesting due to being on the quidditch team, also being at the fight in the ministry..not to mention..they are teenagers. No mystery here.
But he wasn't pretending to be asleep in the movie 😂 he was out lol even when she ran away.
I am convinced that Dumbledore had plans within plans and contingency for contingencies. I think he had a plan to use Harry if just such an occurrence were to transpire.
I suppose that magic mdma and rohypnol mix was accepted then as it was all set in the 1990s.
I wouldn’t have thought this
I don't think Lavender used love potion. She didn't need that. Ron was just surprised somebody was interested in HIM. Voldemort once said, that Ron's parents didn't love him as much they loved Ginny and he felt lack of love. He have also never been so popular as Harry. But Lavender liked him besides he was not neither popular, nor handsome, she made him compliments and laughed with his jokes and he couldn't resist it. While Hermione still could be rude towards him. So he thought, that the Lavender will be better girlfriend
What transformation would take place in the event that one were to use the hair of an already transformed witch or wizard in a polyjuice potion? E.g. If one were to take the hair of Voldemort in Harry Potter form and then use that in a polyjuice potion, do they turn into Harry or Voldemort?
Interesting 🤔
Well, if polyjuice potion turns someone into the owner of the hair used in the potion, then it's logical to assume they are that person for the duration of the potion. Meaning if someone took the hair of the transformed polyjuiced person and used it to polyjuice themselves, then they should transform into the owner of that hair.
However, logic also says that if a polyjuiced person becomes the person belonging to the original hair used in the polyjuice potion, then original Mad-Eye Moody wouldn't have been needed to be kept in a trunk because the transformed person could just pull hair out of their own head to keep polyjuicing into Mad-Eye Moody form. But, since the original Mad-Eye needed to be kept in a trunk, that means the transformed person isn't actually the person they transformed into...
Ok, my head hurts now.
What if, in Prisoner of Azkaban, Dumbledore let the dementors into Hogwarts in hopes they’d find horcruxes?
I don't think Dementors can detect horcruxes. Honestly, what confused me was that Dumbledore knew Riddle was looking into horcruxes during school. And knew about the curse on the defense against the dark arts job, yet didn't do anything about it? I believe the diadem hidden in the room of requirement held the curse on the position.
@@Larka661 Ooh I love the diadem theory
Because it makes sense, how else could voldemort keep a curse going even when he had no power?@@derekjohnson6676
She should've been thrown in Azkaban for that little Love Potion plan of hers. My theory is that Love potion Tom Riddle's mother used was a large part (or the whole part) of him being born a Sociopath
I was amazed that Ron bashed lockhart on the head with a jagged stone off the floor...sure he shut him up but could have 'done in' the poor fool permanently. Think about that in a kids film!
In year 6 I think the girls learned a new spell called “Hornius” and that’s why they were all trying to using love potion.
But the last part seems vague because didnt Dumbledore know of the prophecy about harry at that time? "A boy born at the end of July..."
I think the theory with Lavender does not hold up. As you described it was Lavender who was insanely affectionate towards Ron. Ron was clearly enthusiastic about the physical part, but other than that never displays any deeper interest. He hardly mentioned her to Harry at all and at some point admitting even that they mostly just snog. Love potions are not blue pills, as also demonstrated by Ron, they'd make you extremely emotionally needy not just physical. One could utilize a love potion against an enemy and just string them along as they would never display any self preservation, but would do everything in their power to prove themselves worthy. Which is, in essence how Lavender behaves, not Ron. I am not trying to insinuate that Ron spiked her drinks. It is not in his character to go that far and she would not have continued her behavior over the holidays, because he could not have spiked her with it there. Lavender was an overly emotional teenage girl and behaved as such. Ron was ... in that regard just a prick towards her, knowing full well that he was not interested but he felt flattered by her attention, seeing as he never got much of it before compared to his friends. So when Lavender displayed any interest he just seized the opportunity at her expense to get back on Hermione and Ginny. And he felt guilty about it afterwards. But he did not want to face the consequence of his behavior by admitting it to her, he is pretty conflict avoiding, in all of his fights he is not one to articulate his point, he just distances himself. So he tried to ghost her too, which naturally in the setup of Hogwarts does not work at all. Its not pretty but its rather normal behavior at that age for both Lavender and Ron.
I just realized that Dumbledore could have slipped Lockhart verita serum to get the truth instead of making him a professor.
He could have read his mind
Both of these are true, but he would need to publically discredit Lockheart, and that could not be done by either of those methods. Bringing him on as a teacher is the best of all possible solutions to a degree.
@HeldIntegral I think he used Legitimens, or a small form of it.
I feel like many weird or wrong decisions wizards make look wrong to us becouse Wizard are inherently a very different community, almost a different species especially those that are most distant from muggles.
Theory 1. Bullshit. Ron did not act AT ALL as if he was in love with Lavender. It was obvious that he only enjoyed attention from girls, and started to gradually have enough of Lavender as the time went by.
Theory 2. Quite reasonable. I've never thought about it and it could be true.
Theory 3. Sounds actually amazing. But I'm not sure if it's realistic, I think Dumbledore
would instantly find out it's not Harry if he could find out that Moody actually was Barty just by him taking Harry to his room without consultation. However the plot is pretty clever.
Theory 4. Pretty obvious right?
Theory 5. Probably not. In the Order of the Phoenix, Dumbledore told Harry that he was happy that the latter came into Hogwarts in once piece, however not like he wished. Which means that he expected the Dursleys to treat Harry right. But it could've been an another lie tho. But in the Half-blood Prince he also confronted and even bullied the Dursleys for abusing Harry, which is definetely not in his style, so he must have been genuinely upset about the Dursleys not treating Harry as expected. However, you never know tho.
Teenage hormones were the only "Love Potion" Ron and Lavender needed.
also,dumbledore put him there because that was the only option.
👍🏻 on the Lavender theory.
no,no,no.ron was trying to make hermione jealous.
Wasn't it also revealed that part of the reason Lockhart was hired was to show the folly and dangers of letting fame go to your head, to keep Harry humble?
In the first theory, Ron wasn’t really pretending to be asleep otherwise him and Hermione would’ve already got together
Didn’t Newt take Jacob by side-along port-key at the bluff?
Here's something to think about: Are Ginny's feelings for Harry genuine? Or is she just drawn to the piece of Tom inside Harry? I believe she did become infatuated with Diary Tom in Book 2.
So is RUclips ever going to fix the glitch where when you click on a video there is no audio then you close RUclips completely just to get the audio to start working for the video you were just watching? I'm really getting tired of them doing that not putting in the effort to make things work ever since Google touched it it seemed to fall apart and break I'm only saying this because it's happening right now as I'm telling it
It's literally been years since I read the novels or watched the movies, but while I think the Dursley's were horrible people in one sense, they weren't actually all that bad overall to Harry in a strict sense. He was fed, he had clothes (even if some where hand me downs), he even had toys and other things. His magical abilities not being acknowledged is a far far cry imo from being systematically beaten and/or abused for displaying magical talent. I don't think Dumbledore hoping that Harry would become an Obscurial holds up, mainly because I don't think anybody thinks an Obscurial is actually controllable as a weapon. It's more of a daemon from Warhammer (40k or Fantasy/AoS) or more like a monster of Id from Forbidden Planet (1956)