What If Voldemort WON? The Wizarding World's DARK Future (THEORY)
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- Опубликовано: 24 ноя 2024
- Have you ever wondered what would have happened if Voldemort..WON?Just for today, let’s step into a dystopian future where Voldemort emerged triumphant, shattering the hopes of Harry Potter and the wizarding community. What would Voldemort’s reign of darkness look like? What fates would have awaited our beloved characters in a world under the Dark Lord's rule? How would Hogwarts, once a beacon of magic and hope, have transformed under his tyranny? And how would the dominance of the dark forces have impacted the relationship between the magical and Muggle worlds?
Today we’re going to be discussing all of that, and more, as we peel back the folds of a world where Voldemort reigns triumphant.
Hey everyone, welcome to another installment of Harry Potter Theory.
Today we’re going to be discussing the implications of Voldemort’s SUCCESS over Harry Potter in the Deathly Hallows.
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What would most likely happen next would be the reinstitution, or rather _modernization_ , of the Salem Witch Trials by the Muggle communities across the globe. There would also most likely be a number of executions ( _whether public or not_ ) of Witches and Wizards via burning at the stake, as well as many ( _if not all_ ) the other Medieval methods of torture and execution of Witches and Wizards by Muggles being brought back into practice within the modern era.
Upon thinking about it, I don’t think that Voldemort would try to conquer the world. One of his flaws was that while ambitious, he was also somewhat small-minded, as Dumbledore would point out. Recall how fixated he was on Hogwarts, and things that made an impression on him when he was younger and just entering the wizarding world. “That which he does not value, he takes no trouble to comprehend.” I think he would have spent his time building and refining his regime in the UK.
True, but no villian is ever truly satisfied with the power they obtain…
I would like to add that he wouldn’t think to rule over the muggles and would just want to completely isolate muggles from the wizard world; though the dark wizards would toy with muggles but keep the secrecy.
I agree but i think he would have established something similar to the soviet COMINTERN, to manipulate foreign governments to his way of thinking.
I agree. But those who seek power are rarely satisfied as someone else pointed out, but I do think that once he attempts to expand then that would be his downfall. He wouldn’t get farther than UK
But he's immortal so he would eventually move his operation out of Britain and establish a Wizard dictatorship over the entire world.
@@abhisheklama1393 I’m convinced that if for whatever reason Harry Potter failed, say he chose to get on that train, then an even greater magic for good would have risen to end him. He was far too evil and obnoxious for a resistance not to rise with a more profound will.
Voldemort: *declares war on Muggles
Muggles: Avada Kedavra my tank and my fighter jet please. 👏
Fiendfyres the entire country. Muggles: Wait! We said fight in ways we might win!!
Plane can't fly if its pilot got unforgivably cursed...
Avada ka-*THIP*
Sniper: target down.
@@ucitymetalhead Bullet bounces off physical shield. Teleports to the sniper. Imperio.
"Voldemort is back at your base under the disguise of multiple targets. Take them all out.
@@BrainboxccGames Yes it can. Right back to their base to bomb his own buddies/commanders 😄
But Voldemort would still have to deal with other Wizarding governing bodies and schools throughout the world such as fighting against MACUSA and other groups in France, Bulgaria, Japan, Brazil, Norway, etc. We can't simply equate "The Wizarding World" with just Great Britain and the area Voldemort conquered. Others would rise against Voldemort the oppressor! Lumos wands up!
Our world today feels communism, and Voldemort's tyranny is no exception. Others will rise and fight against him even have to see tons of green magic that could potentially kill anyone.
He’d also would have to deal with muggles. They would eventually notice everything. Not even Voldemort can dodge a 7.62mm x 54mm sniper shot, let alone an orbital strike
Hm, Voldemort's power center would be Europe, not merely GB. After all, Grindelwald was European problem too, but we can see it affected other places. Yet other wizards - they would rather hide than come to open battle. Perhaps aiding muggles in upcoming wars. What I see is a direct hit to wizard's numbers, I think they would lose like two thirds of their numbers - and all over the world, with Europe suffering the most. Voldemort would probably lose the war - yet with one horcrux probably left he would come back again.
I mean I guess. The writing around the rest of the world was barely there. So really feels like Europe is all we need
@@Kyleplieran orbital strike would be pointless. Any witch or wizard would be able to effortlessly stop it.
He'd make his hehehehe laugh the school's new Anthem
Now all stand for the " Harry Potter is dead anthem."
@@MrKevin486 heheheheheh Harry Potter is dead dead dead hehehehehe 🎶
Why am I imagining this sung by a choir of schoolchildren now? 💀
Love it.
It's "Eeeeheheee"
Something about this feels a bit off. Voldemort was described as a brilliant tactician and strategist in the first war because he wasn''t so volatile and desperate yet. The prophecy changed him for the worst. He had so many different people on his side that were steadfastly loyal to him, and I wouldn't be surprised if that did include some muggles. You have to remember, as much as Voldemort puts up a front of blood purity himself, he is at his core a secret halfblood. His followers have no idea who he really is. During the second war he only really went specifically after the halfboods who wronged him, and avoided others unless they got in his way. The ones who were labeled "mudbloods" or muggleborns however were specifically targeted. I think he realized that the blood purity platform was the only way he was actually going to be able to keep his following and gain more in any way, but I'm not sure how much he actually believes in it considering he knows that he-himself is not a pureblood. I don't think he'd go for a pureblood eugenics program knowing what he's a product of. It wouldn't make sense. He's canonically brilliant. He knows the subject matter. It makes no sense.
His issue is a mix of his politics and his arrogance. I don't think he'd get far enough to get to a muggle war.
I think he hates that part of himself, he hates the fact he is a half blood, that's why he targets others that represent that imperfection. Because to be reminded of what he is, is to be reminded that his mother was what he sees as a failure and his father as a filthy lowborn muggle with no special abilities whatsoever, just another nobody. It reminds him he isn't all that special or perfect, and he hates that.
@@darkalpha50 Perhaps, but again-- he never went specifically after halfbloods. He didn't coddle them per-se, but they were never specifically targeted for extermination.
As much as i cant stand cursed child the fact he made a voldemort day in alternate timeline did make me laugh 😂
Based holiday :3
Im just surprised he only made it a single day and not Voldemort Month.
When?
That still sends me
I think that it's quite realistic. Voldemort by this stage could be thought of as the dictator of the wizarding world and you just have to look at real life dictatorships to see that this has happened in real life. Have a look at the dictator of Turkmenistan in the 90s and 00s. Some of the actual things he did include making the second Sunday in August 'Melon Day' after his favourite fruit, rename the Turkmen word for 'bread' with his mother's name and renamed the names of the days of the week and months of the year. Voldemort actually looks kind of stable compared to this guy (fyi, I pulled the info from the dictator's Wikipedia page, there's lots of other crazy things the guy did, but I feel this is already getting too long.)
Bro couldn’t even invade a high school…😂😂😂😂
He also couldn't kill a baby. And to really pour salt into his wound, his anti-muggle butt died at a poor age by muggle standards 😂😂
As much as love this burn, I just re-read the books for the first time in a decade. He kept all of the other Wizarding nations at bay, recruited giants, acromantula(the giant spiders),dementors, thousands of followers, successfully overthrew and seized the government, media, wizarding prison, and all intelligence resources. If anything, it is a testimony to the furious power of hogwarts, the order of the Phoenix, and Dumbledores army that they held him off for an entire night of combat. Rather reminiscent of the legendary spartan battle portrayed in '300'
A high school that was protected by the most elite wizards in their area
He did takeover Hogwarts though as he installed Snape as headmaster and hired death eaters as teachers such as the Carrows.
@@OffGridHacksI agree. It was only 1 night but the feats they accomplished vs the mass army's of evil. Great story
If Voldemort ruthlessly oppressed all of the muggle-born, there would be a huge number of obscuri. their combined force just might upset his reign.
And, what happens when it comes to light that Tom Riddle is the child of a muggle and a witch barely better than a squib?
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@mystic_scythe yes I get that voldemort would go on a mass genocide in the vein of a magical holocaust essentially but how can you sense where the muggle burns would be? It seems magic chooses the wizards and witches.. just like the wand choosing the user so voldemort would be fighting a losing battle
@@OdinSmilesRavensLaugh72051 muggle borns are descendants of squibs. So unless all of those could be killed effectively, new ones would just appear
I have several issues with this theory.
1. There were always more non-Death Eaters than Death Eaters so despite the power concentration and brutality of the Death Eaters it would have been difficult for them to maintain total control over the population.
2. Voldemort and his Death Eaters were basically only operating in Britain and were drawn from the British Wizarding population. The Sacred 28 for example were the 28 British Wizarding families that had retained their pure blood status. Unless you assume that the global Wizarding population is lower than the Wizarding population of Britain (The Quidditch World Cup crowd would indicate otherwise) there is no reason to expect that Voldemort could conquer anything more than the British Wizarding World by defeating Harry Potter.
3. Thanks to his horcruxes Voldemort was protected from death (though not immortal) and he was not going to share that secret with even his most loyal Death Eaters. He would never have allowed Bellatrix LeStrange to make a horcrux as it would have made her almost as powerful as Voldemort himself and that was not something that he would or could accept. So an international expeditionary force of Aurors and Wizarding Special Forces Commandos could have tracked down Voldemort's Death Eaters and eliminated every last one of them leaving him no army of enforcers to control the wizarding population let alone conquer or destroy the muggle population.
4. Dumbledore certainly had insights into Voldemort that nobody else had, but if Harry Potter had been lost in the Battle of Hogwarts and Voldemort had tried to expand from control of Britain to control of the entire wizarding world the great minds of other wizarding nations would have been put to the task of figuring out how Voldemort had survived for so long and would have figured out the secret of his horcruxes. They would have then likely launched a massive effort either publicly or in secret to find and destroy the horcruxes and thus make Voldemort mortal and therefore defeatable.
Facing the entire wizarding world instead of just a British Resistance group made up for the Order of the Phoenix and Dumbledore's Army, the Death Eaters would have been overwhelmed and eliminated quickly.
Dumbledore might have been the only wizard that Voldemort ever feared, but that is because he never encountered the other brilliant witches and wizards around the world who were similar to Dumbledore in their knowledge and power. Even assuming that none of the others were fully on Dumbledore's level, between them they would have figured out the horcrux problem, found them, destroyed them, and rendered the All Powerful Lord Voldemort into the mortal Tom Riddle once again making it inevitable that someone rid the world of the would be tyrant.
The muggles would never even have to get involved. The wizarding population of Britain might have been able to defeat Voldemort without Harry Potter, but the combined strength and wisdom of the world's wizarding population would have wiped Voldemort and his Death Eaters from existence.
In the end Voldemort was a British threat, not a global threat and we the readers have long given him too much credit for the threat that he posed.
Eh he'd have a chance of expanding to Western and Central Europe, but then run into wizarding cultural road blocks, but yes on a whole he is very unlikely to become more than a regional despot, and expansion would become even harder each time as muggle born and lower purity flee to the wizarding worlds not under his control.
Did you spend like 2 hours on this one comment🤣
There are so many fallacies in this long post that I don't know where to begin...
Voldemort's supporters were unknown and he bewitched many to betray their fellows which divided and conquered the whole wizarding world. They would never be tracked down.
Voldemort's horcruxes would never be discovered because the only reason why Dumbledore found out was because Harry gave him the destroyed dairy and the only reason why Harry was able to track them down was because part of Voldemort's soul was inside him.
You really underestimate Voldemort's intelligence and power... There is a reason why people worldwide did not dared to speak his name...
@@headstrongbachelor3152 Finding out he has Horcruxes just requires somebody doing something that definitively should have killed him. There are very few magics that let you survive your own death. The reason nobody else figured it out is because the Ministry was in denial until it was too late.
@@anvos658 Nobody ever had a chance to kill Voldemort. He had many different magical shields and wards and he was the one who defeated anyone and killed them.
Voldemort's arrogance was his own downfall.
It seems to happen a lot...
just like the IRL you-know-who. if only he didn't attack russia, he would of won and we would be living in a much better world.
As will your's be.
Just like darth maul…
Bad writing around the elder wand was his downfall
I think the only blood category that Voldy really would want to eradicate would be Muggle borns. As a Half Blood himself, I don't think he would want to eliminate other Half Bloods.
Snape, another Half Blood, was kinda like his second in command in the Deathly Hallows and was also named Hogwarts Headmaster, which tends to show that he isn't against the idea of Half Bloods having prestigious positions.
Yeah, Voldemort literally calling the kettle black. He’d have to take himself out to not be a hypocrite. But he’s afraid of death. He would never take himself out.
Didn't Hermione say that she assumes most Death Eaters to be halfbloods? I believe that Voldemort would organize something like this:
On top there would be families known to be Pureblood, obviously the surviving ones from the Directory but also the many who protested not being included in It (if they protested I must assume that they 1 have few muggles in the tree and 2 care a lot about blood status and are thus likely to support Voldemort and thus be prized by him with greater power). The most loyal and useful Death Eaters like Snape would gain equal or even greater status even if they were halfbloods. It's unclear to me how many generations of full Wizards you gotta have in the tree to be considered Pureblood, I assume at least all grandparents with none being Muggleborn and maybe not more than one or two being halfblood, because the Malfoy family is said to have halfblood relatives.
Below the Purebloods there would be Halfbloods. They wouldn't be mistreated most of the time, being the vast majority, but they wouldn't get to the top of the power unless they proved especially loyal to Voldemort. Marriage with Muggles or Muggleborns would be punished as a Crime Against Wizardkind. This way, Halfbloods would have to marry each other, and thus, overtime, their lines would be pure enough to marry the top powers, and the British magical community would finally become majority Pureblood.
It Is mentioned at one point that children of Muggleborns have been separated from their parents by the Registration Commission. I believe they would send this halfblood children to Voldemort-loyal families to be indoctrinated, basically like the Lebensborn Program in Nazi Germany or the child kidnappings in fascist Argentina.
Aside from Muggleborns, the prisons and camps would probably be filled with any Muggle present in the community (specifically Muggle parents of Wizards, accused of havibg stolen magic or of having filthed the blood of wizards), as well as Squibbs and anti-Voldemort opposition. Hostile species such as Goblins, Centaurs and Mermaids may well be relocated if not exterminated.
Voldemorts contempt for muggels would be his undoing. Eventually he would challenge muggel governments in an effort to establish his wizard hierarchy, but he would quickly find that normal people aren’t the pathetic worms he thought he’d be trampling.
Well muggles with resistance aid to tell them where to aim the missile strike, or apparating the bomb on the door step of Death Eaters.
@@anvos658 Don't forget, Apparition works both ways. Death Eaters or Voldemort himself could use Apparition to bypass conventional Muggle defences and eliminate high value targets, and in urban environments the destruction the wizards can bring on is immense. They don't have to worry about ammunition or logistics, especially since they can apparate.
@@curtisevans8413 Apparition requires knowing where your going, and it wouldn't be too hard to use motion or heat sensors to make counter measures.
I completely agree Voldemort would go to the white house or something and get shot 27 times before he even gets to the door.
@@curtisevans8413 high value targets like what? he could take out the entire congress and the president and the war would continue. Muggle goverments are design with reduntant leadership, also how would the wizards know where to strike when they know next to nothing about muggles?
One thing to remember is that the House Elves fought in the Battle of Hogwarts. It is very likely that a decent portion of the resistance would have been spirited away almost instantly after Harry's death as after all House Elves can apparate in and out of Hogwarts where Wizards can not.
Hermione would have instantly gone to Bulgaria to contact Viktor Krum, having a huge celebrity in the wizarding world telling people what was going on would of course be a huge boon. Bill and Fleur would have gone to France to try and get help. Others would head to America to inform that wizarding community there what had happened.
Voldemort would find himself isolated from the international wizarding community. His best outcome would be that they'd force him to honour the international statue of secrecy, the worst that he'd have the best wizards from several different countries coming for him.
A Voldemort with the SAS on his heels would be toast!
SAS with invisibility cloaks!!
@@The_New_IKB cloaking devices*
Yeah. A specialized military unit that is used to thinking outside of the box. They would figure out how magic works before the magic folk would even realize that someone wants to figure that out.
Yep. The SAS would be pure nightmare fuel for wizards.
Voldemort being played by Ralph Fiennes, would have been the magical version of Amon Goeth basically...
But Then how well Voldemort and the Death Eaters Deal with The Ever Advancing Muggle World and the Changes around the World!
They won't advance if their leaders are being controlled. Not to mention the wizarding world also evolve and would just use muggle arsenals to their favor and even amp it using magic.
Simple. Use the imperious curse.
@@tommoore2012 finally someone understands this
Not too well. Considering how badly they were defeated back when black powder matchlock guns were the biggest threat, and the world operated on relatively simple feudal systems, the current (or 1990s) capitalist world with modern electronic devices, automatic precise weaponry and first drones, that would simply be far beyond their understanding or capabilities.
And when it comes to using imperious curse, they would first have to understand who should be the target. Which is again something they would not be able to figure out. Hell even muggles would mostly struggle to find out a correct target for some instant brainwashing...
If Voldemort won, we would have that dark future scenario of The Cursed Child and nobody wants it.
The wizarding world really needs to include science in its curriculum. Not only would strudying the sciences enhance wizards and witches' understanding of exactly what their magic does, it would also make clear how bad prioritizing pureblood status was.
I doubt Voldemort would get rid of half blood students at Hogwarts, but certainly muggle borns.
13:13 This is why Voldemort’s reign would be short-lived. All the other magical societies over the world would come after him to prevent him from exposing the wizarding world to the rest of the world.
Except, there isn't anyone powerful enough to stop him anymore. Dumbledore is gone, harry is gone, voldemort only got even more powerful with the elderwand. This was the same thing for grindelwald, he was unstoppable because his only equal, dumbledore wasn't able to fight back at that time. And it's really easy to get into other nations ministry as there are pure blood supremacist everywhere. Grindelwald also had the German ministry of magic in his control and even freed himself from his crimes using them.
@@iio_moon but Voldemort was outnumbered. Could he win a fight 100 - 1?
@davidsmith1310 Mostly definitely. His speed exceeds anyone and his attack potency and versatile makes it easy.
@@iio_moon Do not forget that all horcruxes were gone (ib this scenario if Riddle would defeat Harry in the hall of the school...Neville already killed Nagine.
This would made Voldemort very vulnarable for even sneak attacks. Or by a defending muggleborn...may be even Hermione.
@reiniernn9071 That isn't a issue at all. The only reason voldemort falled was because of the extremely rare magical cases that happened with harry because of their special connection. If a random witch or wizards could've just sneak attacked him, he wouldn't have been in power for decades. Not to mention his reflexs and combat speed is superior than any other in the versr after harry is defeated. No one can really surprise attack his speed. He even fought 3 high tier such as mcgonagall, Kingsley, slughorn all at once in a weakened state yet still effortlessly overpowered them. And he could just make another horcrux.
One of the Greatest stories to ever be told. I simple just can't get enough of it...
Ooo spooky! Thank you for the theories!
I would of also added Azkaban to this theory too. Imagine Voldemort also turning the prison into his own "Tower of Fear". As much as Azkaban was feared back then...imagine Voldemort taking it over too as like a main base of sorts.
The muggle militaries would form dedicated witch hunting units whose sole purpose would be to go around gunning down death eaters. They'd be trained to deal with magical opponents and have special equipment designed to resist magic. They might even figure out how reverse engineer magic and create their own pseudo-enchantments to protect themselves.
A war with the muggles would likely result in military raids on the ministry of magic and Hogwarts where all the wizards just get mowed down by machine gun fire before surrendering. It would be difficult to kill Voldemort due to the horcruxes, but all his followers would likely be imprisoned or dead so he'd pretty much be a non threat to society. He could kill any military people who went after him, but he'd be constantly on the run and not in control of anything.
If be interested in what happens next with the muggles knowing about magic. Since in this scenario, they found out in a very violent way, I imagine there would be a lot of hate, resentment and distrust. Especially at first.
How would muggles even detect Wizarding citizens realistically if they didn't want to be detected?
You do realize that satellites in orbit detect all sorts of interesting em signatures. The wizarding world has no idea has no concept of emissions control. Dear grid coordinates up to here comes the sun will solve the problem fast.
@zlboyle90 How will satellites detect concealment charms that legitimately prevent non magics from seeing or even sensing.
Wizards could just enchant nukes to go back to their launch points and using nukrs would only cause muggles death as wizards can just apparate away. Not to mention wizards can use muggle weapons as their own and even amplify them with magic to increase potency or number etc. Not to mention if the ministry stops magical beasts from emerging to the muggle world and spread magical diseases, muggles have no way to cure or prevent such creatures rampaging.
@@zlboyle90 How would satellites get past concealment charms which literally hides them from non magical meanings.
Nukes and bombs would only do damage to themselves cause wizards would just disapparate away or use magic to send back to muggle populations. Not to mention high-high tier to top tier wizards have attack potency that is equivalent to at least 100k atomic bombs and magical strength enough to rip mountain off the earth and make them collapse on targets. Muggles ain't standing a chance if few top tier wizards decide to reshape the landscape.
And even lesser wizards can just release magical beasts and diseases to cause mass illnesses and destruction.
There's also a very simple preamble to any Conflicts with Muggles...the Imperius curse. You just make muggles pass laws that renounce any aggressive actions.
@@zlboyle90I hope you know what your saying because how could they detect anything other than thermal. The wizarding world doesn't use microwave, radio wave, x rays, or gamma rays. The only emission you'd see is visible light and infrared. I imagine the Muggle Repelling Charm would get rid of infrared because it does with visible light.
Harry's Its a Wonderful Life Arc:
What’s funny is that if Voldemort was to ever meet Salazar Slytherin, he wouldn’t be accepted because of his half-blood status 😂
I would definitely love to see a follow up video to this.
Regarding Voldermort using his own wand while duelling Harry, would that have really made a difference? It seems like Harry willingly letting Voldermort kill him would have still invoked the same magic which his mother used, so it seems like the Battle for Hogwarts became unwinnable for him and his minions so I'd wonder if the Avada Kedavra would have worked at the end.
Bro needs to make his own book/movie
More please! Part II!!!
I don't think it'd be that simple. For one, Voldemort is known for playing the long game. He wouldn't just throw himself at conflict without an advantage. He's arrogant, for sure, but he's not an idiot. Hell, the only reason the battle of Hogwarts happened in the last book was that he was forced into it by Harry looking for the last Horcrux. He went there unprepared and still would have won had it not been for Harry's sacrifice magically protecting everyone. He wouldn't just do battle with the muggles, he'd slowly overthrown them from the inside like he did with the Ministry of Magic.
Furthermore, remember that he had not just wizards at his disposal, but other magical beings and creatures at his disposal. Giants, for one, are incredibly resilient and all but one of them were on his side. Werewolves, acromantulas and pretty much every other dark creature would join him. Goblins might, at best, try to steer away from the conflict, but they might be lured in with the promise of better treatment than what the Ministry gave them. Domestic Elves under Death Eater families would simply not have a choice.
The worst of them all, though, would be Dementors. They would all thrive under Voldemort's rule and muggles have simply no way to fight them (even if they could see them, which they cannot). By the time Voldemort took the fight to the muggle world his following would be massive and muggles would be too worried by an unnatural feeling of despair to fight (when they weren't having their souls sucked away by invisible foes).
I'm sure there'd be resistance, of course, but I'd bet it'd take a few generations to get any sort of encouraging result. They'd have to be patient as well.
nope. once muggles get involved ( with their anti voldie wizard allies), everything will change. Imagine wizards keeping dementors at bay while F-15s are carpet-bombing forests and cities. What will Voldie and his lackeys do? Heavy machine guns will take out giants and other creatures. Also with muggle wizard collaboration, we will see magically enhanced muggle weapons. I don't think muggles will go after wizrads , instead , there will be a strong partnership between anti voldy wizrads and muggle powers.
@@subratadhar7698 You didn't even read my comment, did you? Why would muggles get involved? Good wizards don't want to break the status of secrecy and evil ones wouldn't attack until they were sure they'd have the advantage.
@@Dreadjaws I did read yours. Muggles will get involved because some good wizards will see the merit of wizard muggle Alliance. Harry Potter era is not set in witch hunt era and people are a lot more open minded. So there will be collaboration and good wizards will need allies.
@@subratadhar7698 Absolutely ridiculous. Even if wizards were willing to risk muggles by bringing them into the conflict do you think people will see wizards only showing themselves to the world when they need help and be happy about it?
@@subratadhar7698 Voldemort and his supporters would use the imperius curse to control the leaders in muggle governments and they would then have the powerful weapons at their disposal like nuclear to wipe out the muggle race.
I dont think bro is bringing The U.S. military with a $850+ billion annual budget and 2.1 million active and reserve soldiers , 12,000 aircraft, ~200 F-22 Raptors, ~900 F-35, 1,300 F-16s, and 450 F-15, 5,244 nukes, 11 aircraft carriers, and 68 submarines.
or if entire NATO joins. $1.2 trillion+ budget ,with around 3.5 million soldiers, 20k+ fighter jets (F-22s, F-35s, F-16s, and Eurofighter Typhoons) ,6k+ nukes, 17 active aircraft carriers and 144 submarines.
if China, Russia, India and Japan also join. Budget: 2.5+ Trillion, 12 million+ soldiers, ~35k fighter jets (F22, F35, F-16, Su-57, Su-30MKI, J-20), ~12.5k Nukes, 37 AirCraft Carriers, 320 submarines.
Yeah Voldy aint defeating all that.
Nope. And they knew it too. I mean the Wizards basically lived in fear of humans finding out and coming after them with just pitchforks. In crimes of Grindelwald the atomic bomb scared the hell out of them. Imagine what a tactical nuclear weapon of one Megaton would do.
I think alot of people over hype muggle Weaponry and heavily underestimate that wizards can also advance,
any Weaponry muggles create wizards can also learn and add magical features to what ever Weapons muggles have, cause i mean wizards are indeed humans as well so they too can comprehend the weapons no-majes use but for muggles they can not utilize magic let alone comprehend it, so theyd have to think or work twice as hard to out do wizarding society, and this is just European wizards if Voldemort branched out and gathered sorcerers from all over the planet it would be closed curtain for muggle society and not to mention sorcerers are very capable of Manipulation without even being seen or noticed and then on top of all of that with wizards abilities working far beyond the physical world muggles would most likely think these are "Coincidental Events" and yes muggles may have the numbers however Voldemort Dumbledore or Grindelwald could most definitely take out more than 100 muggles (with weapons) if not thousands, quite easily i mean ive never heard of any muggle weapon going head to head with the forces of natural disasters, natural disasters wizards have at there fingertips, all it honestly takes is for example, lets say we Voldemort Grindelwald and Dumbledore who were putting this together they could spread out every highly capable wizard around the world, cast some type of electromagnetic pulse. And completley shut down majority of muggle Weaponry ORR they could cast some type of geomagnetic spell and cause world wide earthquakes in heavily muggle populated areas,, or conjure hurricanes, typhoons, supercell storms, shoot we already seen the bolt of lightning that filled the sky that was casted by Voldemort alone so🤷🏾♂️ but then again the way Voldemort is, alot of people wouldn't help anyway I'm just explaining that wizard kind itself could definitely outdo muggle kind
May I have a TLDR? It looks like you've made several points but not in different paragraphs so my mind has gotten rather confused
Tbh, wizards can just lay back and get the W by making few dozen of wizards apparate around the world and put thr world leaders in their control and make them fight against each other.
I’m developing a story where some thing similar this does happen and it takes place at my Alternative version of the Ilvermorny School.
@mystic_scythe dragons can be seen by muggles. And what makes you think even half of the wizards would actively fight muggles? It'd take several generations to even have a chance at that.
What you are suggesting has some major flaws: 1) to understand muggle tech, voldy and co. would require decades or centuries of knowledge 2) Anti voldy wizards would collaborate with muggles 3) No matter how you fight ( with magical ability or guns) a few things like logistics, strategy and co ordination remain crucial. And muggles are far better at those things. 4) muggle intelligence agencies like the CIA are no less than Aurors at manipulation and sabotage ( and at some point, they will receive knowledge from Voldemort wizards) 5) Muggles have an overwhelming number of combatants with devastating weapons. How strong Voldy's army was at its peak? 5k? 15k? 35k? Any small human army can easily field 100k - 200k personnel. Heck, in WW1, 300k combatants died in the battle of Somme alone. 6) Wizards from other continents will hit back, too. tl;dr: Once muggles and anti-voldy wizards join hands, it's just over for dark lord.
What always felt wrong to me with the beasts series is that it introduced all the wizards in other countries. Sure we had the quidditch WC in harry potter and the trimagic tournement. But still. You always felt like wizard minestry was the highest thing for wizards in the world. So it is very weird when there are all this minestries in other countries as seen in fantastic beasts, but not once where they asked for help against voldemort. "The minestrie has fallen" was seen as it is all over now...even tho there are hundreds of more minestries around the globe
I never read the books.. Only saw the movies. About time I read them..
Ah so it'll be like a mix of George Orwell's 1984 & "The Handmaids Tale"
19:30 galvanized square resistance
Video idea: could Voldemort and his army ( magical creatures included ) beat the white spikes from the tomorrow war
Voldemort couldn’t use his wand to get rid of harry as it was twined with HP’s wand.
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Abaracaba was an influence for Avada kedavra I'm thinking lol.
Sequel would be Harry Potter and the tactical airstrike squadron
"Hey everyone, welcome to another installment of Harry... Potter... Theory." Never gets old ❤
One thought I have always wondered about:
Children are brought up with religion in the house hold. There are a multitude of religions around the world. Yet we never see students practice a religious faith when on a magical campus. Say for example, what if we utter a christian prayer and it cancels out the magic or affects it in some way?
Nameing your child harry would be banned
Can you please do a video on Muggle Govt vs Ministry of Magic... How Kingsley worked to coordinate both organizations
That'd be cool, and, what in theory happened to muggles and relationship with wizards? Because especially in the 2000's, tech changed as Harry and co entered their adult lives. With the rise of the internet, would wizards have been noticed? If yes, would some have allowed stories to spread a little, or would wizards have tried to get agencies to shut down sites? Or, another theory/video: what would happen if the wizards noticed, well... us, talking about Harry Potter, by accident?
I imagine Voldemort would put world leaders under imperious curses, but eventually muggle would find out. and build lie detector test that can detect people under the curs. And muggles being more adaptable and more numerous than the traditional wizards would eventually win.
With only 28 pure blood families. There is not enough genetic diversity. Even being incredibly careful. Inbreeding would cause massive issues very quickly.
the ashkenazis had less than 120 people and they exclusively married and bred with eachother for years, but if you point out any issues they have you'll be canceled for being anti semetic
I've long wondered if Voldemort knew that blood purity was bunk, and if the main reason he encouraged it was because diluting the number of wizards (or at least, healthy wizards) in the world was one of his actual goals, sine the end result would be that Voldemort himself (and "maybe" a small cadre of very loyal followers he allowed to be immortal with him) would be the only powerful wizard left alive.
Voldermort could not expect the bad writing around the Elder Wand. Poor bloke.
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On the fact of the pure bloods and breeding - I think as soon as the word in the wizard worlds spread, pure blood enthusiasts from around the world would move to England to keep and their status and mix with other family’s as well
You only have to think about Hitler to wonder what it would be like and how he would eventually lose.
a animation about the founders and the building of Hogwarts would be cool using what ever knowledge . doubt a movie would be made but still hopeful
He should have opened his own theme park called "Volde-World"
“My lord, what are you going to do when the prime minister of UK has a sniper puts a depleted uranium 50 caliber bmg armor piercing round through your head?”
Voldemort: “… a what?”
Voldemort: "I have magic!"
Muggles: "We have nukes."
Please make a part 2!!!
We needed so much spin off books/movies and I loved dark Harry Potter
Manacled…!!!?? I can’t be the only one who thought of this book as an alternative ending.
I’m not a fanfic person at all but this one just ripped my heart to shreds.
It's a good thing Voldy didn't win. Otherwise that beautiful Quidditch field would have become a parking lot for the US 7th Cavalry when we get involved.
Yeah I'd love to see what Wizards would do to contend with Abrams tanks and Bradley Fighting vehicles.
Weren't the first witches and wizards to be born technically muggle born, though... To me, it seems magic should be more pure to those who wouldn't normally be born with it than those who are born to a of family wizards
Another excellent video. Got me thinking about the political situation in other wizard world governments. This is a situation a little different than those discussed in the previous video "The Real Reason No Other Countries Helped Fight Against Voldemort". If Voldemort wins over the UK wizard government and, by extension, the muggle government that sets an unbalanced power in the wizarding world and the muggle world. Surely this unbalance would motivate other wizarding governments to take direct action against Voldemort. It could be simply "leave us alone and we'll leave you alone" or invasion by a single or a coalition of wizard governments. Such a thing would draw in the muggle world too, and probably not as a bystander. The goal could be to remove Voldemort from power and restore a stable government. Part of this goal depends on the current political climate throughout the rest of the wizarding world -- do any other wizard government have desires to take over/control of England or the UK?
Really enjoyed your alt timeline though I think you are missing the need to deal with the other wizards. I think Voldy would ally with Durmstrang and orchestrate a surprise attack and takeover of Beauxbaton. Then either expand or that would be enough of a powerbase to attack the muggles.
17:50 "magic you say. I raise you 9mm" *bang*
We actually don't need to wonder because the concept was briefly explored in The Cursed Child, which unfortunately is considered canon which means that those outcomes are literally what would of happened.
On account of when everyone originally believed Harry was already dead. I take into consideration how Neville was the first to approach Voldemort and stated even though harry and a lot of others had passed away during the battle. I have a strong feeling that Neville would have attempted to kill off Voldemort, whether or not he'd be successful is another thing. However, that being said Neville was the one to kill Nagini and who's to say that after that, if Harry really had died and not come back to life, who's to say Neville wouldn't attempt to bring Voldemort down and win.
What if Doumbledore didnt die in half blood prince? (Eg Piton could fully heal the curse and they didnt plan any secrefice)
Damn, you really paint a picture with this and with other videos that depict similar scenarios.
Clearly Voldemort hasn't heard of nuclear ICBMs
And UNGOC, SCP and U.N.I.T
I feel one glaring issue would be the death-eaters and Voldermort would no control over them after so long. Let's assume that, Voldermort was a good leader and had good ideas for argument’s sake. My theory is, could his goons go around torturing and unspoken things to wizards and witches without Voldermort knowing? Its definitely a possibility.
Grindelwald nor Voldemort would raise a Dark Army of Dark Wizards and Dark Witches and backed by Dark Creatures/Monsters and attack the Muggle World. They would use Dark Magic to control the minds of key muggle leaders and keep groups of some muggles for dark experiments and dark sacrifices and as lastly Slaves. Those Grindelwald or Voldemort would conquer the muggle world that way.
Except that they lack any knowledge of how muggle goverments work and besides that those goverments can still function with their key leadership gone bcs they are design that way in case there is ever a nuclear war. Muggles are better at everything and they also are adaptable which the wizard world is not. There is a reason that the stick people needed to hide from muggles.
When the Dark Lord says,
"We are the master race."
We HEIL, HEIL,
Right in the Dark Lord's face
Several different things could have happened. First, he still would have had Nagini probably, as a horcrux since she wasn't killed by Neville until after Harry revealed himself to be alive, or not. Things still could have played out the same way, so if Harry had indeed been killed as well as Nagini, Voldemort would have still had his existing soul and could be killed by anyone. The next question would have been what would have happened after Voldemort had died, whether by assassination or just old age, as he was at least in his 70s by the final battle at Hogwarts. Would someone else in his regime try to keep power or would with wizarding world try to go back to what it was before he took over?
Maybe this is a dumb question but I’ve always wondered what the time line would have been if clear back in the first one Harry takes Draco’s hand instead of telling him off. Would he have gotten in good with the Malfoys and in turn been spared by Voldemort? Or would he have still killed him right when he came back to life. Sorry if this has been talked about before.
8:50 is that from Holes starring Shia LaBeouf?
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Voldemort send Ron to Azkaban instead killing him (Opinion)
the thing about Voldemort obtaining control of the school is contradicted in the fifth book were Umbridge was unable to get into the headmasters office.
Does anybody else think that a gun would also work against Voldemort cuz I feel like it would just be a quick simple thing. Maybe if Harry had just brought a gun when he met Voldemort in the last movie I feel like it would have been over a lot quicker.
Yep. Lol . Voldemort: Harry, this is the true master wand pulls out a smith & Weston
Wizards have reaction speed reaching up to mhs+-ftl. Supersonic guns would only work on young children who barely have any magic yet.
@@iio_moonthey do?
@@tommoore2012No. I have no clue what they are talking about
@tommoore2012 Yeah, they have lightning timing feats and sub lightspeed with summoning spell and some spells are called jet or beam of light which hints that it would likely be ls cause they are faster than the summoning spell. And high tiers are capable of blitzing lower tiers and this whole feat starts from mid tiers too.
The only factor I would add that isn’t discussed, is through human nature (wizards share it as well) is that throughout human history we find “Love” and “attraction” being something no government can contain and regulate. Pure Bloods would fall in love with mudbloods and muggles and even after Voldemort’s fall, the same would continue to happen. This part of human nature would always keep things from going 100% one way or the other.
I think you’d also a larger number of wizards leave England for other countries where his laws were not enforced. Some place they could be free to be themselves. Even some pure bloods would do this as well. Which would also go hand in hand with him not having the numbers to wage a proper war on the muggle world.
If he wasn’t so arrogant, and was willing to be patient since he can’t die, if he was smart he’d bide his time and set a target number/goal for his army before waging war on anyone and then once he reached that number through generations of breeding pure bloods he could give it a shot. Especially if he allowed is witches and wizards to study muggle weapons and even enchant them to magically enhance them and learn defenses. Similar to the “defense against the dark arts” class but in this case “defense against the dark muggles” class. That would beneficial to his cause. But he’s not that smart or patient and would lose as a result.
Well, if Voldemort's combined strength can't take on the muggle world, the post civil war wizarding world is already on a one way ticket into muggle servitude.
Voldemort may be able to control some individuals in the muggle world, but his lack of comprehension for the muggle world would prevent him from definitely conquering it. His forces may be able to basically teleport, but they would face superior enemy everywhere. He doesnt have instant long range communication, and precise long range weaponry. He may be able to shield himself from bullets in a battle, but it is a defense measure that is likely to be overcome by the overwhelming fire of muggle weaponry. His deatheaters lack his great power and skillset and would be quickly dispersed by any show of concentrated fire, as they have never ever encountered anyone who fires back and always shoots to kill.
Even with a constant killing curse usage (which apparently takes great toll on wizard´s soul), his forces would be overwhelmed. Its also likely that the muggle world is more adaptable, and can comprehend the nature of magic much more easily than the magical folks can comprehend technology and muggle society. Especially so if the resistance joins forces with the muggle world. His body would be destroyed, and despite his ability to return, the lowering number of his followers and the even increasing number of people searching for a way to permanently destroy him would likely mean that his horcruxes would be destroyed while he was disembodied.
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So, any conflict with the muggle world would have to be strictly covert operation. The muggle world would steamroll any open opposition. Also, his attack on the muggle world would necessitate first the completion of the wizarding world conquest, as any other nation watching him destroy the statute of secrecy would be quick to eliminate him with all necessary power due to the conflict with their own interests in secrecy.
Resistance and muggles will surely join hands. Can you imagine what kind of s**t can be done if CIA agents and Aurors work together? Voldie is cooked.
That was a fun listen. My two disagreements are:
1) I agree with those saying it would unite the rest of the world's magical governing bodies against the UK's ministry.
2) Regarding waging war against muggles, with the imperius curse, their overwhelming numbers become irrelevant. They can curse less than a dozen people and suddenly muggles are nuking muggles, causing them to fight amongst themselves.
First they would need to understand even what nukes are, radiation and all that. Also, they have no fucking clue of how muggle goverments work, military leaderaship, so they woudlnt even know how many people they would need to put under the curse. And you need way more than a dozen people to launch a nuke. Pretty sure that the muggle world with there far advanced spy and warfare capablitiy would figure out first what are the wizard capabilitys and what a imperius curse does before the wizards could inflict serious damage.
2:41 Oh thank goodness! Love your content!
I think that they’d explain themselves to the muggles, and try to make a peace between the muggles. So as to keep both sides safe, think of it like the alliance the French did for Americans back in the ye old days; and defeat the British. I could see something similar for this world of wizards and muggles, then Hermione would probably be the best bet to fix some or most of the problems.
Ohhh this is a spicy theory!
Good video! Do you think that the last two parts of the “Fantastic Beasts” franchise will be filmed or completed in the near future?
Ah yes, Voldemort; the dark lord of my childhood and early teens. Seeing him mentioned again, brings back so many memories of anxiously turning pages to read if he had killed some characters I cared for in the books. Reading his final death was an immense moment of Catharsis.
This would make a great setting for fan fiction, to look into the lives.
In terms of acceptance to Hogwarts, I believe he would allow HB as well because Salazar Slytherin allowed it. If of course they value their magical heritage only, they would probably be required to disown their non magical side or maybe even to use a Crucio on them as a show of good will. No he would allow HB witches and wizards to live, for the possibility of using them as tools in his regime. He will just force them to marry PB in order to have a blood line fix. However the variety will be very limited as you say. I wonder what would have happen with the Malfoy family in this story.
I don't think would persecute/imprison half-bloods because then there aren't enough wizards. He would rather let them do the jobs nobody likes. For example, Filch would be replaced by a half-blood as caretaker.
Thanks for this theory! Its like reading a whole new harry potter book.
Muggles have the a-bomb during this time?
Nice ideas.
But I think at such escalation-levels, the World would react - the other Schools and Ministries in the World would react - especially about the Secrecy-thing.
We got what would have happened if Voldemort won in The Cursed Child when Al and Scorpius accidentally changed time so Voldemort did win the war, and it wasn't pretty.
Sure, but this is another look into the what if of Voldemorts reign of terror!!!!
what's not pretty is the entiere ''story''
Stupid thing is he could have won the first night (and that would have been his best chance) if he'd just kept his word and used Imperious to make Lilly leave Harry.
As for the rest of the video I agree with the general concept that his reign would eventually topple itself, but not really the specifics, nor why wizards opposed to him wouldn't work with the muggles to introduce the Death Eaters to modern explosive ordinance, since the hide from muggles charm doesn't work on them. Also winning at Hogwarts and the Ministry doesn't mean he controls the whole wizarding world, and honestly means most muggle born and low purity wizards likely flee to those other parts of the world.
Plz do the sequel what would happen next!
I think the biggest factor that wasn't explored deeply enough in this hypothetical is that grinderwald was a global issue and voltimore was a local issue. In addition to that the statute of secrecy existed for a reason and Europe was not the only nation to develop rules about how you were allowed to interact with muggles because the reality is they were hunting and killing witches and wizards despite their magics hundreds of years ago.
And a hypothetical where voldemort would have won the battle of hog words I do not think he would have lasted long in face of the ire of the world.