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You asked "why did Jesus speak in parables if Calvinism is true?" That is actually a fantastic point that i have not considered! Thank you. My father believes in Calvinism so I'm trying my best to steer him away from it. I just ordered a book called "Chosen But Free" so I'll see if that has good points as well! Thanks for the video ❤
Thank you for your kind comment and I will be praying from you! My mom, dad, and all my siblings are Calvinists. Just keep speaking the truth in love. God bless you brother!
I'll pray that they are able to talk some sense into you, and refute your Egocentric Theology. "Chosen But Free" was refuted long ago by, "The Potter's Freedom". *Soli Deo Gloria*
@ryangallmeier6647 geisler responded to whites book. I haven't read whites book but geisler doesn't think white actually refuted where geisler stands. Which isn't surprising seeing whites debates with other Christians. Chosen but free was good. I'm reading flowers book right now the potter's freedom. Been a solid book so far as well
The irony of the argument about extended alter calls is, if Calvinism is true, they were God's decree. Thank God you escaped the fog with your faith intact. Good video, thanks for sharing your experience. It matters a lot.
Your logic is spot on! If I understood Calvinism then, like I do now, I would have asked them, "Do you believe they could have done otherwise? Is this extended alter call that's going on inside something that they have determined, and God has simply determined all other things that come to pass?
@@beberean612 I've followed Christ for over 60yrs. I never knew anything about Calvinism. Several years ago I reacquainted with an old friend. He'd become Calvinist.... well, Reformed... 😎. Our conversations fell into the logical pattern one might expect. I knew what he believed was crazy but I couldn't put my finger on it because of the strange way he made use of certain verses....That started my 'education'. If I had a nickel for everytime he hung up on me I'd have a bucket full... Once, when discussing evangelism, I asked the obvious question, "If God's 'elect' will be saved because of his eternal, unchangeable, decree... why witness?" His response was, "obedience" and he was very satisfied with himself over it. After all, how could I argue with that🤔🤔 Then I asked, "OK, but could you be disobedient?".... There was a moment of pregnant silence... then I heard a 'clik' and the line went dead🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I was just talking with my wife about a Reformed page on Facebook. Those folks are pretty unforgiving, that's my takeaway from the comments and postings. I find it to be a discouraging doctrine at best. I'm grateful the lord made a way of escape for you. This video was really helpful tonight. Thanks God bless 🙌
@@beberean612 In the end, Calvinists cannot speak consistently in daily life as-if their doctrine is actually correct. It would be like me saying I was OK with abortion and then having to go back and correct it as-if I'd just misspoke. For the Calvinist , the essentials of Calvinism become their 'core' value in life, the tenets of which are untenable. Theistic Determinism demands that man does not really matter. But God made man in his own image, and that is why man does matter. It is physically, mentally, and emotionally unhealthy for any man to attempt living life as if he does not matter.
@@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT Wow. This is true. many Calvinists are appeased by the answer "Because we are called to be obedient".. but you're so right "OK, but COULD you be disobedient if Calvinism is true?" That is a question that reveals the illogicality of the system. Your story sounds a lot like mine. Have been a Christian the majority of my life... then 3 years ago encountered "Calvinism"/ "Doctrines of Grace" which started my "education" into these things and ultimately my realization that Calvinism is NOT Biblical.
Enjoyed your testimony. I'm a Latter-day Saint we don't normally have theological debates like protestants. I've always understood the elect as those who are pre-ordained in the pre-mortal life. Those who chose to follow the savior and receive physical bodys on earth. Those who did not choose to follow the savior became fallen angels as Satan. God always gives us agency and choice that's critical. Everyone has the opportunity to whether they accept the Gospel or not.
@@beberean612 See how Mormon heretics (cultists) agree with your Egocentric [bad] Theology? Telling, indeed. And you tell them, "God bless"? Shame on you! *Soli Deo Gloria*
I hate how Calvinists sequestered the term "Reformed" for themselves when technically most Protestants also saw themselves as Reformed. Lutherans saw and called both Calvinists and Arminians as Reformed not only Calvinists. Anabaptists/Baptists were part of the radical Reformation. And when I say Baptists I mean general Baptists or Evangelical Baptists and not "Reformed Baptists" which are calvinistic in soteriology, Reformed Baptists is such an oxymoron because Calvinists use to persecute and kill Anabaptists/Baptists at the beginning of the Protestant Reformation.
Thank God you left Calvanism. You wanted to know the truth, and God gave it to you. It's a blessing brother. Mathew 25:24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed: 25 and I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine. (Calvanism) 26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed: 27 thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury. 28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents. 29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. 30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Just after watching a bit of this video I'd like to ask the man in the video is trying to say that he was a/saved man when he finally rejected Calvinism? Or did he reject Calvinism WHEN HE FINALLY TRULY GOT SAVED?
I believe I was saved, and I love my Calvinist brothers and sisters in Christ, but I believe I had a poor understanding of the character of God. What I didn't realize, was that this poor understanding left my faith vulnerable to attack and as I will get into in the coming videos, nearly led me into atheism. Thank you for your comment and God bless!
Hi thanks for your video I may have watched one of your others a while back, Ive recently started attending a Baptist church mainly because they believe in the need for sanctification which I really respect but as the pastor said I seam to have more thorny issues than the average guy at the church they believe that God is in control of every thought word deed I do Im kind of an odd ball Im half in half out I listened to John Pipers 2 part series on the book of job and seamed right to me everything that happened to job came indirectly from God but I cant go all the way with that I look at god reasoning with Cain I cant say God is responsible infarct he's predestined my acts of sin, I raised these point and they say he has two wills I showed them in Zachariah 1 v15 the nations took the punishment beyond what he intended proving mans ability to choose, again they say two wills last week I shared in kings 21 king Ahab clearly a man not going to heaven able to repent we know it was genuine because god can not be tricked he sees our motives clearly but God said do you see how ahab has humbled himself that really rattled them and I was asked not to continue that conversation as the bible study would be starting soon on Sunday I was talking and I really apricate John Piper opening my eyes to the need to make Jesus my treasure but as I was explaining to them on Sunday If God is most glorified in me being most satisfied in him that has to be real choosing real seeing of Sin real desire of that sin and real love for Jesus more than the sin If not he is not as glorified as if he had wrote a computer program to do that they say Im trying to work the equation that cant be solved its mystery but I say you have to dismiss way more of the bible to believe that than Im not willing to do. The one I also cant dismiss is Rom 9 I cant deny he hardens whom he wills and chooses whom he wills so I accept that to hence my dilemma I cant find a camp where I fit what did you do with rom 9
God bless you brother! I will do a video on Romans 9 soon and show how Calvinists, in my opinion, have completely missed the concept of what it means to be "chosen." I'm a Provisionist, and believe in corporate election. I will attempt to show how understanding election in this way brings harmony to romans 9 and the rest of Scripture regarding election or being "chosen." And yes, if God determines all things that come to pass, even our besetting sins, as John Piper words it, then He determined me to leave Calvinism, and if Calvinism is true, this means God has determined for me to reject sound doctrine.
In Romans 3 Paul is also using hyperbole. Notice that Paul talks about how these people have poisonous asp under their lips their mouth is an open tomb, they are all swift to shed blood. I know many lost people who have never killed anyone. I don’t think Paul is saying that their mouth is a literal grave. We often forget the reason Paul said what he said, but verses 9 tells us that Paul is establishing that Jews are no better than Gentiles. You are on target. Good video. The background is a bit awkward though.
I would even argue that we are not born with a sin nature by the definition because God doesn't create natures of sin. We have a weakened will from Adam that allows us to fall to sin. The passions and desires are not evil only misdirected passions and desires through the misplaced will. That is the way the early Christians believed it if you read there writings. They didn't believe that evil was a nature. Total depravity is pretty crazy as you are basically blaming God for your problems. I talked with other guys that believed this stuff to try to help him from his struggles with porn but he had all this sin nature, faith alone in his mind so he was always waiting on God to do everything for him. He wouldn't put for any real effort to stop and expected it to get better, and didn't even realize he was blaming God.
You are denying that people are born in sin? Read Psalms 51:5. Was David crazy when he said he was a sinner even before his mother gave birth to him? The Bible says all have sinned and fallen short of God's glory, does is exclude unborn child? Death is the penalty for sin, why then does premature babies dies from the womb? So they have freewill to enable them to be guilty? I don't refute Calvinism just because it's Calvinism saying it, the Bible say it clearly.
Glad to hear you left Calvinism. I never read anything concerning him in the Holy Writ. Good for you. What really matters is if you're born again from above by Gods effectual grace as one of Gods chosen vessels of mercy or not. If you remain in your first birth under Adam, and have not been made an utterly new creature in Christs image, you'll die in your sins. Hoping you are that new creature.
@@beberean612 Interesting. Is Gods grace effectually working in your life today? Can you give any glory to God for the power of His grace working in you...today?
@@ManassehJones Yes, of course, but this is not what Calvinists mean when they speak of effectual grace. They mean regeneration preceedes faith. This is why I was wanting more clairity .Calvinist often word things in this way. This may not be what you were trying to communicate.
@beberean612 Ultimately, Gods grace is not demanded, nor earned, but is a gift given to a particular people, as the Word clearly teaches. Not all receive Gods gift of effectual grace. Gods grace can be witnessed by all, even tasted by being a witness of someone you know who has been transformed from a sinner to a Saint by the power of Gods effectual grace, but it is not gifted to everyone.
"....God has CHOSEN this man as His instrument to bring light to the gentiles" (acts 9) [Paul was chosen, he had no choice, paul wasnt seeking salvation] ..... "Jacob have i loved, esau i have hated"..... "For He says to Moses; I will have mercy on whom i have mercy and i will have compassion on whom i have compassion. So it does not depend on he who wills or he who runs, But on God who has mercy" (romans 9:15-16) .... "So He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom he desires" (romans 9:18) ..... "....No man has seen the father except the son.... and to whom the son CHOSES to reveal Him" (matt 12:27) ..... If you dont see the fact God CHOSES, you are missing out. This has nothing to do with calvinism, it is biblical doctrine you cant change.
Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, FAITH The Holy Spirit produces faith. Not the will, or the flesh of a man.
You misquoted Galatians. "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, FAITHFULNESS." Gal 5:22 In context, I believe this is speaking of faithfulness to God and to our neighbors, as in obedience to God, and in being faithful to God in keeping His commandments, we are also faithful to our neighbors. But the point is, faith must precede faithfulness. There must be "faith" in place, to be "faithful," and the Holy Spirit is our "helper" to produce "faithfulness" in us. But to claim that "Pistis" means saving faith or repentance, in this context, is a stretch. At least according to Thayler's Greek Lexicon: 2. fidelity, faithfulness, i. e. (the character of one who can be relied on): Matthew 23:23; (Galatians 5:22); Philemon 1:5 ? see above in b. α.; Titus 2:10. (of one who keeps his promises).
@@beberean612 no, I didn’t miss quote it. I read the Greek Bible. In Greek, it says pistis. That means faith or belief. it says the Holy Spirit produces faith. It just flat out 100% says so. Anybody that disagrees with it is an idiot because it literally says so .
So, let me get this straight. It is your position that if we reference the Greek Lexicon, which tells us what the specific form and context of Pistis is in Gal 5:22, (i.e., referencing what the experts on the ancient Greek language have to say about the way Pistis is used in this specific verse), we are idiots. I guess we should just trust you instead. But even if I concede your point, it doesn't in any way prove that the gift of faith is effectual.
@@beberean612 The Bible wasn’t written in English. Duh Pistis means faith or belief. They are the exact same word, and the exact same thing. That’s a fact.
So, it is your position that we ignore Thayer's Greek Lexicon? My brother, the reason we have the Lexicon is so experts on the ancient Greek language can help us understand the context in which a word like "Pistis" is used. Like in the English language, the word faith can connote different ideas. Like when someone says, "I heard it on good faith." An example in Scripture is Acts 17:31... "because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof (Pistis) to all men by raising Him from the dead.” Here, the word Pistis is used. But it does not connote the idea of saving faith or belief. If it did, this passage would be teaching universalism. God has not given faith or belief to all men. He has (furnished proof) to all men. That is what the word Pistis connotes in this context. I think we should consider what the experts have to say.
Synergist: Saving Faith in the Gospel of Christ is 'conjured up out of the cauldron of our own human free wills' (falsely defined as, 'the power of contrary choice'; which is not the biblical definition of 'human free will'). Calvinist: Saving Faith in the Gospel of Christ comes by God's GRACE ALONE infusing it into those sinners whom HE WILLS. Pretty simple, really. Ever read Martin Luther's, "The Bondage of the Will". If not, that says a lot. *Soli Deo Gloria*
You say "You love your CALVINIST brothers and sisters?" That implies that you believe that they are actually redeemed by the blood of Jesus? So they are saved but just need to perhaps fine tune their beliefs by just rejecting Calvinism? A Calvinist may claim to believe the gospel but it is actually impossible for that to be true, so therefore it is impossible for a Calvinist to actually be a born again Christian! One can't believe in Calvinism and the gospel; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 King James Version Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures Another critical issue to understand is that "New Covenant" and "New Testament" are not synonyms. The New Testament started when Jesus gave up the Ghost on the cross. The New Covenant with Israel is prophesied in Jeremiah 31 KJV and begins when Christ assumes his physical throne on earth in Revelation 20 Kjv forward. Paul MacArthur the satanic Calvinist liar often calls the New Testament the New Covenant. They are two different things. How far are you removed from the heretical doctrines of the Reformed Theology heretics? Most of them teach that there is no coming 1000 year Kingdom of Christ on Earth. Another Calvinist/ Reformed Church man made philosophy based lie. I may sound blunt but I could just write "God bless you" and let you just carry on in what might be a false conversion or I can help direct you to the truth. I was a false convert for 8 years till finally someone of the very few that is actually saved directed me to salvation not just some philosophical belief, head knowledge or belief that one is saved simply because you see that Calvinism is false. How do you relate to this critical passage that undeniably explains how to get saved? Romans 10:9-13 King James Version That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved Make sure you are actually saved!
Yes I believe Calvinist are Christians. I disagree with people who claim that right doctrine is a prerequisite for salvation. There may be some basic things we may need to understand in order to repent and believe in Christ, but I can't find any evidence that having a right understanding of what's going on behind the scenes with our "free will" or lack thereof, is one of those things we need to understand perfectly in order to be saved. I can't find any Scriptural evidence for that.
@@beberean612 Let's debunk Calvinism with one basic and very well known piece of scripture; John 3:16 King James Version For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life I know all kinds of Reformed Church types that flash this verse regularly. Usually some corrupted version of this verse from some Roman Catholic translation other than the real scriptures in the KJV, like the NIV, ASV , NLT or ESV or some similar trash. However even in those corrupt bibles the verse usually stresses "whosoever believeth in him, which directly implies salvation is available to everyone not just some predetermined group of people. Belief is a personal choice. It can be based on speculation, formulating evidence, indisputable proof or just a freewill decision to accept something as truth. Before we go further I'd like to state for the record that I am not an Arminian! That is part of the satanic trickery in false religions like Reformed, Presbyterian, some Baptists that use the age old Hagalien Dialectic to create two false opposing narratives to deceive people into accepting the false one they want you to believe. Politics is notoriously evil in this fashion too. I can believe the sky is orange and the Earth is triangular shaped as simply a matter of a freewill decision to do so. Whether that is true or not is irrelevant, my choice, my belief. Nobody can stop me, I can be influenced in belief but still what I end up believing is my personal prerogative. Furthermore I am at a God given liberty to change my beliefs at anytime. So John 3:16Kjv sets up the initial foundational criteria for salvation. Either believe in Jesus and live forever or make the decision to reject believing in Christ and be condemned. This is a freewill choice God gives every mature individual, we are not pre programmed robots when it comes to salvation. It is contingent upon a 100% freewill choice. The Apostle John makes this crystal clear in several of his writings. John 3:36 King James Version He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:18 KJV “He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” If everything is predestined by God then why did he send Jonah to Nineveh to persuade those people to make the decision to repent of their wickedness before God was about to destroy them?
Yes, I agree! The bible doesn't say, "But if you confess with your mouth, Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead ...and have perfect doctrine... you will be saved." Haha!
@@beberean612Nobody is perfect except for Jesus. However to be saved one must put full trust and unconditional belief in 1 Corinthians 15 1-4 KJV "...that Christ died for your sins" Not that you were chosen by him for salvation while most others are eternally banned from heaven. That directly states that God created some men with an unchangeable destiny for the lake of fire damnation. How does that line up with this scripture? 2 Peter 3:9 KJV The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, **not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.** So according to God's will, Peter preached that God wants no man to die an eternal death in hell but instead to "REPENT" To REPENT means to change one's mind. In the context of this scripture it means for a man to make a freewill decision to go from not believing in Jesus and the word he preaches to believing it and his gospel of his salvation through his death, burial and resurrection. God's will according to Peter is that each individual can escape eternal damnation and receive eternal life by making the decision to repent as a confessed sinner that simply prays to the Lord and with all his heart and mind asks God to forgive him. It's that simple. HAVE YOU DONE THIS? if not you aren't saved. Nowhere does the scriptures say "Thou must have PERFECT DCCTRINE to be saved" However certain criteria must be met and mixing the gospel with false satanic beliefs like Calvinism shows Christ that a person does not fully trust in the gospel alone for salvation and therefore God will reject him until he repents. Ephesians 1 KJV [13] In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, [14] Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. In the passage above the new believer places his trust in God according to the scriptures "the word of truth" not the philosophical ramblings of a mass murderer covert Catholic theologian devil named Calvin! Once a believer REPENTS from just such evil as Calvinism and believes in the promise of salvation as a confessed sinner he is "sealed with that holy Spirit of promise." The promise being salvation which is eternal life from a God that cannot lie. Therefore one's salvation is "sealed eternally" according to freewill choice to do so and at that point God chooses a person for salvation according to if the believer's will is God's will not whether he has "perfect doctrine" However certain guidelines must be met. It's all about trusting that God's Son died on the cross for your sins and that you are a confessed sinner worthy of eternal damnation. However through the grace of Christ (unmerited kindness) one with faith in Christ can receive the gift of eternal life. EPHESIANS also says "By grace are saved through faith and that not of yourselves it is a gift of God" Believing that one must have "perfect doctrine" or to be saved according to the twisted lies of one of the most despicable phoney Christians of all time "John Calvin" is not trusting in Christ's sacrifice to atone for your sins and therefore until one fully repents from such beliefs one is condemned! John 3:18 King James Version 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God The choice is yours but one must come to Christ and receive his Gift of Eternal Life according to God's very basic and simple terms laying aside any beliefs that contradict the gospel including Calvinism among thousands of other false beliefs polluting people's minds and hearts. I'm praying for you and your Calvinist friends and family that ye repent. Jesus said "...except ye REPENT ye shall all likewise perish."
Praised God! Continue to the truth of God's word. God bless you brother!😊
God bless you brother!
Great teaching. Keep it up.
Excited to watch this!!!
I've been locked out of RUclips for months. Very happy to start talking about Calvinism again! Thank you for watching and God bless!
@@beberean612 What?! that's crazy? Did they give you are reason why they did? I'm so sorry.
@@elaineauo No reason. Just locked out. Crazy!
You asked "why did Jesus speak in parables if Calvinism is true?" That is actually a fantastic point that i have not considered! Thank you.
My father believes in Calvinism so I'm trying my best to steer him away from it. I just ordered a book called "Chosen But Free" so I'll see if that has good points as well!
Thanks for the video ❤
Thank you for your kind comment and I will be praying from you! My mom, dad, and all my siblings are Calvinists. Just keep speaking the truth in love. God bless you brother!
I'll pray that they are able to talk some sense into you, and refute your Egocentric Theology.
"Chosen But Free" was refuted long ago by, "The Potter's Freedom".
*Soli Deo Gloria*
@ryangallmeier6647 geisler responded to whites book. I haven't read whites book but geisler doesn't think white actually refuted where geisler stands. Which isn't surprising seeing whites debates with other Christians.
Chosen but free was good. I'm reading flowers book right now the potter's freedom. Been a solid book so far as well
The irony of the argument about extended alter calls is, if Calvinism is true, they were God's decree. Thank God you escaped the fog with your faith intact. Good video, thanks for sharing your experience. It matters a lot.
Your logic is spot on! If I understood Calvinism then, like I do now, I would have asked them, "Do you believe they could have done otherwise? Is this extended alter call that's going on inside something that they have determined, and God has simply determined all other things that come to pass?
@@beberean612 I've followed Christ for over 60yrs. I never knew anything about Calvinism. Several years ago I reacquainted with an old friend. He'd become Calvinist.... well, Reformed... 😎. Our conversations fell into the logical pattern one might expect. I knew what he believed was crazy but I couldn't put my finger on it because of the strange way he made use of certain verses....That started my 'education'. If I had a nickel for everytime he hung up on me I'd have a bucket full...
Once, when discussing evangelism, I asked the obvious question, "If God's 'elect' will be saved because of his eternal, unchangeable, decree... why witness?" His response was, "obedience" and he was very satisfied with himself over it. After all, how could I argue with that🤔🤔
Then I asked, "OK, but could you be disobedient?".... There was a moment of pregnant silence... then I heard a 'clik' and the line went dead🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I was just talking with my wife about a Reformed page on Facebook. Those folks are pretty unforgiving, that's my takeaway from the comments and postings. I find it to be a discouraging doctrine at best. I'm grateful the lord made a way of escape for you. This video was really helpful tonight. Thanks God bless 🙌
@@beberean612 In the end, Calvinists cannot speak consistently in daily life as-if their doctrine is actually correct. It would be like me saying I was OK with abortion and then having to go back and correct it as-if I'd just misspoke. For the Calvinist , the essentials of Calvinism become their 'core' value in life, the tenets of which are untenable. Theistic Determinism demands that man does not really matter. But God made man in his own image, and that is why man does matter. It is physically, mentally, and emotionally unhealthy for any man to attempt living life as if he does not matter.
@@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT Wow. This is true. many Calvinists are appeased by the answer "Because we are called to be obedient".. but you're so right "OK, but COULD you be disobedient if Calvinism is true?" That is a question that reveals the illogicality of the system.
Your story sounds a lot like mine. Have been a Christian the majority of my life... then 3 years ago encountered "Calvinism"/ "Doctrines of Grace" which started my "education" into these things and ultimately my realization that Calvinism is NOT Biblical.
Enjoyed your testimony. I'm a Latter-day Saint we don't normally have theological debates like protestants. I've always understood the elect as those who are pre-ordained in the pre-mortal life. Those who chose to follow the savior and receive physical bodys on earth. Those who did not choose to follow the savior became fallen angels as Satan. God always gives us agency and choice that's critical. Everyone has the opportunity to whether they accept the Gospel or not.
Thank you for your comment and God bless!
@@beberean612 See how Mormon heretics (cultists) agree with your Egocentric [bad] Theology?
Telling, indeed.
And you tell them, "God bless"? Shame on you!
*Soli Deo Gloria*
I hate how Calvinists sequestered the term "Reformed" for themselves when technically most Protestants also saw themselves as Reformed. Lutherans saw and called both Calvinists and Arminians as Reformed not only Calvinists. Anabaptists/Baptists were part of the radical Reformation. And when I say Baptists I mean general Baptists or Evangelical Baptists and not "Reformed Baptists" which are calvinistic in soteriology, Reformed Baptists is such an oxymoron because Calvinists use to persecute and kill Anabaptists/Baptists at the beginning of the Protestant Reformation.
Exactly! Great point!
Thank God you left Calvanism. You wanted to know the truth, and God gave it to you. It's a blessing brother.
Mathew 25:24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
25 and I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine. (Calvanism)
26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
27 thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Just after watching a bit of this video I'd like to ask the man in the video is trying to say that he was a/saved man when he finally rejected Calvinism? Or did he reject Calvinism WHEN HE FINALLY TRULY GOT SAVED?
I believe I was saved, and I love my Calvinist brothers and sisters in Christ, but I believe I had a poor understanding of the character of God. What I didn't realize, was that this poor understanding left my faith vulnerable to attack and as I will get into in the coming videos, nearly led me into atheism. Thank you for your comment and God bless!
I don’t have evidence that serpents can talk. Does anyone here? We can be skeptical in book #1 friends.
Hi thanks for your video I may have watched one of your others a while back, Ive recently started attending a Baptist church mainly because they believe in the need for sanctification which I really respect but as the pastor said I seam to have more thorny issues than the average guy at the church they believe that God is in control of every thought word deed I do Im kind of an odd ball Im half in half out I listened to John Pipers 2 part series on the book of job and seamed right to me everything that happened to job came indirectly from God but I cant go all the way with that I look at god reasoning with Cain I cant say God is responsible infarct he's predestined my acts of sin, I raised these point and they say he has two wills I showed them in Zachariah 1 v15 the nations took the punishment beyond what he intended proving mans ability to choose, again they say two wills last week I shared in kings 21 king Ahab clearly a man not going to heaven able to repent we know it was genuine because god can not be tricked he sees our motives clearly but God said do you see how ahab has humbled himself that really rattled them and I was asked not to continue that conversation as the bible study would be starting soon on Sunday I was talking and I really apricate John Piper opening my eyes to the need to make Jesus my treasure but as I was explaining to them on Sunday If God is most glorified in me being most satisfied in him that has to be real choosing real seeing of Sin real desire of that sin and real love for Jesus more than the sin If not he is not as glorified as if he had wrote a computer program to do that they say Im trying to work the equation that cant be solved its mystery but I say you have to dismiss way more of the bible to believe that than Im not willing to do. The one I also cant dismiss is Rom 9 I cant deny he hardens whom he wills and chooses whom he wills so I accept that to hence my dilemma I cant find a camp where I fit what did you do with rom 9
God bless you brother! I will do a video on Romans 9 soon and show how Calvinists, in my opinion, have completely missed the concept of what it means to be "chosen." I'm a Provisionist, and believe in corporate election. I will attempt to show how understanding election in this way brings harmony to romans 9 and the rest of Scripture regarding election or being "chosen." And yes, if God determines all things that come to pass, even our besetting sins, as John Piper words it, then He determined me to leave Calvinism, and if Calvinism is true, this means God has determined for me to reject sound doctrine.
Thanks will look out for that Im still learning all the names I assume provisionist will be clear once I watch your video on rom 9 @@beberean612
@@stevehunt9114In the meantime, a good provisionist resource on RUclips is Dr. Leighton Flowers. His channel is soteriology101.
@beberean612 Leighton Flowers is an Open Theist. That doctrine has been anathematized by Christiandom since the firstfruits of the Body of Christ.
In Romans 3 Paul is also using hyperbole. Notice that Paul talks about how these people have poisonous asp under their lips their mouth is an open tomb, they are all swift to shed blood. I know many lost people who have never killed anyone. I don’t think Paul is saying that their mouth is a literal grave.
We often forget the reason Paul said what he said, but verses 9 tells us that Paul is establishing that Jews are no better than Gentiles.
You are on target. Good video.
The background is a bit awkward though.
I would even argue that we are not born with a sin nature by the definition because God doesn't create natures of sin. We have a weakened will from Adam that allows us to fall to sin. The passions and desires are not evil only misdirected passions and desires through the misplaced will. That is the way the early Christians believed it if you read there writings. They didn't believe that evil was a nature. Total depravity is pretty crazy as you are basically blaming God for your problems. I talked with other guys that believed this stuff to try to help him from his struggles with porn but he had all this sin nature, faith alone in his mind so he was always waiting on God to do everything for him. He wouldn't put for any real effort to stop and expected it to get better, and didn't even realize he was blaming God.
Thank you for your comment and God bless!
You are denying that people are born in sin? Read Psalms 51:5. Was David crazy when he said he was a sinner even before his mother gave birth to him?
The Bible says all have sinned and fallen short of God's glory, does is exclude unborn child?
Death is the penalty for sin, why then does premature babies dies from the womb? So they have freewill to enable them to be guilty?
I don't refute Calvinism just because it's Calvinism saying it, the Bible say it clearly.
Glad to hear you left Calvinism. I never read anything concerning him in the Holy Writ. Good for you.
What really matters is if you're born again from above by Gods effectual grace as one of Gods chosen vessels of mercy or not. If you remain in your first birth under Adam, and have not been made an utterly new creature in Christs image, you'll die in your sins.
Hoping you are that new creature.
The concept that God's grace is effectual (i.e., regeneration precedes faith), is the very thing we are speaking out against.
@@beberean612 Interesting. Is Gods grace effectually working in your life today? Can you give any glory to God for the power of His grace working in you...today?
@@ManassehJones Yes, of course, but this is not what Calvinists mean when they speak of effectual grace. They mean regeneration preceedes faith. This is why I was wanting more clairity .Calvinist often word things in this way. This may not be what you were trying to communicate.
@@beberean612 Does it freighten you to think of God removing His grace from you?
@beberean612 Ultimately, Gods grace is not demanded, nor earned, but is a gift given to a particular people, as the Word clearly teaches. Not all receive Gods gift of effectual grace. Gods grace can be witnessed by all, even tasted by being a witness of someone you know who has been transformed from a sinner to a Saint by the power of Gods effectual grace, but it is not gifted to everyone.
"....God has CHOSEN this man as His instrument to bring light to the gentiles"
(acts 9)
[Paul was chosen, he had no choice, paul wasnt seeking salvation]
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"Jacob have i loved, esau i have hated".....
"For He says to Moses;
I will have mercy on whom i have mercy
and i will have compassion on whom i have compassion.
So it does not depend on he who wills or he who runs,
But on God who has mercy"
(romans 9:15-16)
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"So He has mercy on whom He desires,
and He hardens whom he desires" (romans 9:18)
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"....No man has seen the father except the son.... and to whom the son CHOSES to reveal Him"
(matt 12:27)
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If you dont see the fact God CHOSES, you are missing out.
This has nothing to do with calvinism, it is biblical doctrine you cant change.
Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, FAITH
The Holy Spirit produces faith. Not the will, or the flesh of a man.
You misquoted Galatians.
"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, FAITHFULNESS." Gal 5:22
In context, I believe this is speaking of faithfulness to God and to our neighbors, as in obedience to God, and in being faithful to God in keeping His commandments, we are also faithful to our neighbors. But the point is, faith must precede faithfulness. There must be "faith" in place, to be "faithful," and the Holy Spirit is our "helper" to produce "faithfulness" in us. But to claim that "Pistis" means saving faith or repentance, in this context, is a stretch. At least according to Thayler's Greek Lexicon: 2. fidelity, faithfulness, i. e. (the character of one who can be relied on): Matthew 23:23; (Galatians 5:22); Philemon 1:5 ? see above in b. α.; Titus 2:10. (of one who keeps his promises).
@@beberean612 no, I didn’t miss quote it. I read the Greek Bible. In Greek, it says pistis. That means faith or belief.
it says the Holy Spirit produces faith. It just flat out 100% says so.
Anybody that disagrees with it is an idiot because it literally says so .
So, let me get this straight. It is your position that if we reference the Greek Lexicon, which tells us what the specific form and context of Pistis is in Gal 5:22, (i.e., referencing what the experts on the ancient Greek language have to say about the way Pistis is used in this specific verse), we are idiots. I guess we should just trust you instead. But even if I concede your point, it doesn't in any way prove that the gift of faith is effectual.
@@beberean612 The Bible wasn’t written in English. Duh
Pistis means faith or belief. They are the exact same word, and the exact same thing. That’s a fact.
So, it is your position that we ignore Thayer's Greek Lexicon? My brother, the reason we have the Lexicon is so experts on the ancient Greek language can help us understand the context in which a word like "Pistis" is used. Like in the English language, the word faith can connote different ideas. Like when someone says, "I heard it on good faith." An example in Scripture is Acts 17:31...
"because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof (Pistis) to all men by raising Him from the dead.”
Here, the word Pistis is used. But it does not connote the idea of saving faith or belief. If it did, this passage would be teaching universalism. God has not given faith or belief to all men. He has (furnished proof) to all men. That is what the word Pistis connotes in this context. I think we should consider what the experts have to say.
Leaving Calvinism is good. Almost as good as leaving free will.
Do you believe I determined to leave Calvinism?
@@beberean612 Yes. Me too
@@aletheia8054 Okay, well that's the point.
@@beberean612 Yes it’s good to leave Calvinism and good to live free will too. I understood the point.
Synergist: Saving Faith in the Gospel of Christ is 'conjured up out of the cauldron of our own human free wills' (falsely defined as, 'the power of contrary choice'; which is not the biblical definition of 'human free will').
Calvinist: Saving Faith in the Gospel of Christ comes by God's GRACE ALONE infusing it into those sinners whom HE WILLS.
Pretty simple, really.
Ever read Martin Luther's, "The Bondage of the Will".
If not, that says a lot.
*Soli Deo Gloria*
You say "You love your CALVINIST brothers and sisters?" That implies that you believe that they are actually redeemed by the blood of Jesus? So they are saved but just need to perhaps fine tune their beliefs by just rejecting Calvinism?
A Calvinist may claim to believe the gospel but it is actually impossible for that to be true, so therefore it is impossible for a Calvinist to actually be a born again Christian!
One can't believe in Calvinism and the gospel;
1 Corinthians 15:1-4
King James Version
Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures
Another critical issue to understand is that "New Covenant" and "New Testament" are not synonyms. The New Testament started when Jesus gave up the Ghost on the cross. The New Covenant with Israel is prophesied in Jeremiah 31 KJV and begins when Christ assumes his physical throne on earth in Revelation 20 Kjv forward. Paul MacArthur the satanic Calvinist liar often calls the New Testament the New Covenant. They are two different things.
How far are you removed from the heretical doctrines of the Reformed Theology heretics? Most of them teach that there is no coming 1000 year Kingdom of Christ on Earth. Another Calvinist/ Reformed Church man made philosophy based lie.
I may sound blunt but I could just write "God bless you" and let you just carry on in what might be a false conversion or I can help direct you to the truth.
I was a false convert for 8 years till finally someone of the very few that is actually saved directed me to salvation not just some philosophical belief, head knowledge or belief that one is saved simply because you see that Calvinism is false. How do you relate to this critical passage that undeniably explains how to get saved?
Romans 10:9-13
King James Version
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved
Make sure you are actually saved!
Yes I believe Calvinist are Christians. I disagree with people who claim that right doctrine is a prerequisite for salvation. There may be some basic things we may need to understand in order to repent and believe in Christ, but I can't find any evidence that having a right understanding of what's going on behind the scenes with our "free will" or lack thereof, is one of those things we need to understand perfectly in order to be saved. I can't find any Scriptural evidence for that.
@@beberean612 Let's debunk Calvinism with one basic and very well known piece of scripture;
John 3:16
King James Version
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life
I know all kinds of Reformed Church types that flash this verse regularly. Usually some corrupted version of this verse from some Roman Catholic translation other than the real scriptures in the KJV, like the NIV, ASV , NLT or ESV or some similar trash. However even in those corrupt bibles the verse usually stresses "whosoever believeth in him, which directly implies salvation is available to everyone not just some predetermined group of people.
Belief is a personal choice. It can be based on speculation, formulating evidence, indisputable proof or just a freewill decision to accept something as truth.
Before we go further I'd like to state for the record that I
am not an Arminian! That is part of the satanic trickery in false religions like Reformed, Presbyterian, some Baptists that use the age old Hagalien Dialectic to create two false opposing narratives to deceive people into accepting the false one they want you to believe. Politics is notoriously evil in this fashion too.
I can believe the sky is orange and the Earth is triangular shaped as simply a matter of a freewill decision to do so. Whether that is true or not is irrelevant, my choice, my belief. Nobody can stop me, I can be influenced in belief but still what I end up believing is my personal prerogative. Furthermore I am at a God given liberty to change my beliefs at anytime.
So John 3:16Kjv sets up the initial foundational criteria for salvation. Either believe in Jesus and live forever or make the decision to reject believing in Christ and be condemned.
This is a freewill choice God gives every mature individual, we are not pre programmed robots when it comes to salvation. It is contingent upon a 100% freewill choice.
The Apostle John makes this crystal clear in several of his writings.
John 3:36
King James Version
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
John 3:18 KJV
“He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”
If everything is predestined by God then why did he send Jonah to Nineveh to persuade those people to make the decision to repent of their wickedness before God was about to destroy them?
People can be very wrong doctrinally and still be saved. Calvinists tend to be serious about their faith and love Jesus.
Yes, I agree! The bible doesn't say, "But if you confess with your mouth, Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead ...and have perfect doctrine... you will be saved." Haha!
@@beberean612Nobody is perfect except for Jesus. However to be saved one must put full trust and unconditional belief in 1 Corinthians 15 1-4 KJV "...that Christ died for your sins" Not that you were chosen by him for salvation while most others are eternally banned from heaven. That directly states that God created some men with an unchangeable destiny for the lake of fire damnation. How does that line up with this scripture? 2 Peter 3:9 KJV
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, **not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.**
So according to God's will, Peter preached that God wants no man to die an eternal death in hell but instead to "REPENT"
To REPENT means to change one's mind. In the context of this scripture it means for a man to make a freewill decision to go from not believing in Jesus and the word he preaches to believing it and his gospel of his salvation through his death, burial and resurrection.
God's will according to Peter is that each individual can escape eternal damnation and receive eternal life by making the decision to repent as a confessed sinner that simply prays to the Lord and with all his heart and mind asks God to forgive him. It's that simple. HAVE YOU DONE THIS? if not you aren't saved. Nowhere does the scriptures say "Thou must have PERFECT DCCTRINE to be saved" However certain criteria must be met and mixing the gospel with false satanic beliefs like Calvinism shows Christ that a person does not fully trust in the gospel alone for salvation and therefore God will reject him until he repents.
Ephesians 1 KJV
[13] In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, [14] Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
In the passage above the new believer places his trust in God according to the scriptures "the word of truth" not the philosophical ramblings of a mass murderer covert Catholic theologian devil named Calvin! Once a believer REPENTS from just such evil as Calvinism and believes in the promise of salvation as a confessed sinner he is "sealed with that holy Spirit of promise." The promise being salvation which is eternal life from a God that cannot lie. Therefore one's salvation is "sealed eternally" according to freewill choice to do so and at that point God chooses a person for salvation according to if the believer's will is God's will not whether he has "perfect doctrine" However certain guidelines must be met. It's all about trusting that God's Son died on the cross for your sins and that you are a confessed sinner worthy of eternal damnation. However through the grace of Christ (unmerited kindness) one with faith in Christ can receive the gift of eternal life.
EPHESIANS also says "By grace are saved through faith and that not of yourselves it is a gift of God" Believing that one must have "perfect doctrine" or to be saved according to the twisted lies of one of the most despicable phoney Christians of all time "John Calvin" is not trusting in Christ's sacrifice to atone for your sins and therefore until one fully repents from such beliefs one is condemned!
John 3:18
King James Version
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God
The choice is yours but one must come to Christ and receive his Gift of Eternal Life according to God's very basic and simple terms laying aside any beliefs that contradict the gospel including Calvinism among thousands of other false beliefs polluting people's minds and hearts.
I'm praying for you and your Calvinist friends and family that ye repent.
Jesus said "...except ye REPENT ye shall all likewise perish."
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