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When I look at John Piper I see a man who is trapped in demonic lies. It's visible on his face that he has forced himself to believe God dishonoring things.

Brother you’ve misunderstood the determinism of God and the free will of mankind. Calvinism (reformed theology) never says that God determines us to sin such that He causes us to sin - Sin is our natural bent, it’s what we desire as fallen people. God doesn’t make us sin, we chose to sin freely and wholeheartedly! Calvinism says that none of us, by our fallen nature, will chose not to sin. That is, none of us will freely and wilfully turn to God in repentance and faith because we love our chosen life of sin (rebellion). We need a new heart that has God’s law written on it (Ezekiel 26:36) such that, though we still fail to live perfectly, yet now we hunger and thirst to live a righteous life that is pleasing to our God and saviour Jesus Christ. We are not privy to who the elect of God are, but we are called to proclaim the Good News to all people in the knowledge that God is pleased to involve us in His miraculous work of salvation. He knows who His sheep are, and He opens their ears so that they hear the gospel and believe. If we chose to disobey God’s command to proclaim the gospel in our lives and are content to live that way, then the sad truth is that we are probably not part of God’s elect as the Holy Spirit would not let us feel comfortable in our sin, but rather He would convict us such that we would change our ways. No one born of The Spirit is comfortable in their rebellion. If you mean that on a certain occasion we failed to evangelise someone and in retrospect are concerned about this. We do not blame God for our sin, it is the old self exerting it’s influence on us (the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak). God naturally foreknew this would occur and it will have been in line with (though not in tune with) His overall plan of redemption.

If God does not absolutely control all things, then who does? If God did not create evil, then who did? Is God using Calvinism to separate the wheat from the chaff? Is anti-Calvinism a new-age ideology meant to satisfy the modern-day Christian who wants to only hear about a God who is love and nothing else?

You calvinists have been found out for your evil heresies.

Calvinism is dangerous because it abases man and his pride.

God does not choose for everyone to be saved.

Glad you made it out of the mire, my brother!

The Bible tells us to work out our own salvation and also tells us that both the willing and the working are from God. Trying to square that is like trying to square the doctrine that God is one and yet three, or trying to square that Christ is both fully man and fully God. The Christian faith is full of truths that have more than one side. Anyone who argues with a Calvinist by denying that God's predestinates man is denying the clear revelation of the Bible, just like any Calvinist who tells you that based on predestination we aren't therefore responsible to work is denying God's commandment.

Please Doug stop talking you’re making me dizzy.

If God is all powerful and omniscient all theist have a problem of evil. Calvinist concede the ultimate power to God. Everyone else’s has a God that stands by watching evil with full foreknowledge. Or one must limit Gods all knowing or all power.

Calvinism is taken from the gospel to prove that God is Sovereign and salvation is of him not the preacher!

Whites comments about how it is wrong to combine different verses to show a big picture shows the error of Calvinism. They only view the Bible through the lens of a few verses. There is a reason we have 66 books and thousands of verses. Calvinists can’t see the forest for the trees.

Wondering if you believe in preservation of the saints as the Calvinist would hold to?

Staying in after 40 years Nothing else makes sense!

No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:44

John the Baptist said this: “As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. - Matthew 3:11 We turn from our sin towards God, trusting in Him who justifies the ungodly in Christ. This is repentance and faith. But if God didn't honor that repentance and faith, we would still die in our sins. This demonstrates the fact that faith and salvation are not the same thing. Of course, God does honor our faith, and He is so faithful that it is an absolute certainty that if we believe we are saved. But the saving work is being born again. This is regeneration, or the Holy Spirit baptism that John the Baptist mentioned. It is a unilateral miracle, performed by God. Here's another verse about baptism: Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you⁠-not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience⁠-through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, - 1 Peter 3:21 Notice how baptism, which symbolizes our repentance and faith, is "an appeal to God for a good conscience." An appeal can be rejected; it's only because God sent His Son to die and rise again that whoever believes in Him will be saved. So they're connected, but distinct from one another.

They were in the reformation Period the break from roman catholism... perilious times The work of the Holy Spirit Bringing light to the darker regions!

I like how you keep coming back to the issue and not let Calvinists side track you, like they like doing. You keep going back to: did God decree that too? That´s basically the only argument you need to get good at when debating or talking to a calivnist. Its gonna sound harsh but at its root calvinism is devilish. It tells people that God is in total control of everything, that you can´t do anything freely, that God hates some and loves others, that God decides to send even the unborn to hell and that He is basically at blame for every evil in the world. So yeah, its satanic.

When a Calvinist explains something this way do they think they're making sense?

This is why i consider 5 point Calvinism blasphemous. It paints a picture of a bipolar God who predetermined WHATSOEVER COMES TO PASS, including every foul and disgraceful sin a man can do, and every foul and horrific thing a man can do to another human being, or animal or whatever! Yet, in the bipolar world of Calvinism, god remains holy and blameless. So, how do you square a circle? It's an outrage to say the good and holy God of the Bible is predetermined, with specificity, every evil act, and action, including the "means."

I have decided that Calvinists preach a different gospel. Not the Gospel if salvation through faith, but the gospel of God's sovereignty of those he elects and damning everyone else. Making the life, death, and resurrection pointless. Which is clearly the Gospel of Our Lord Jesus.

I am sorry this is embarrassing not to mention stupid!

I just want to point out that some of the greatest missionaries in history were Calvinists: William Carrey, Adoniram Judson, Jonathan Edwards (who died on the missions field), George Whitefield, and John Paton (just to name a few). Other famous Calvinist evangelists include Charles Spurgeon, and even our contemporary John MacArthur. And Paul Washer has a very large and very successful world missions organization called Heartcry Missionary Society. Regardless of Piper’s answer to this question (he’s got weird theology even by Calvinist standards), Calvinists are not anti-missions or anti-evangelism. That simply flys in the face of history. Calvinists have been on the frontlines of world missions throughout history. And I doubt any other current conservative, evangelical pastor has a larger impact on world missions today than John MacArthur. You might disagree with Calvinism, as I do, but John Piper most assuredly is not the standard bearer for that group.

John McArthur is a wicked, wicked false prophet who teaches Calvinism and Lordship Salvation-both damnable heresies. John McArthur is probably the best example of a false prophet described in the New Testament. Extremely popular and influential. He speaks a lot of Christian jargon, so he appears to be a Christian, but out of his mouth, he speaks lies. Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. Matthew 7:15 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds. 2 Corinthians 11:13-‬15 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. ‭2 Peter‬ ‭2:1‭-‬2‬

so thats what lead calvinists pastors think about huh.. how magical it is when coke fizz pops? guess me thinking about how objective realities, which are eternal,. and how God is eternal... might be the base ontology of God outside of first creation.... i should just waste my time staring at coke more often.. the whole ...." when light first formed it cashes with dark, first forming lines, therby formnig math,thereby sparking creation in the realm of sacred geometry.....id be less crazy if i just stared at leaves falling, worshipping how( i guess never thinking why God cares about fizz popping). im currently trying to explain the spirit realm of good and evil and how those state of powers like greed etc.. are the principalities we are waring with...... because im not ina box of "God makes everything and ill never understand🤷‍"

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Good video. Very clear and fact filled. Great sources. Keep up the good work.

Not everything is predestined. Some happen because of the hardness of man's heart. These preachers theological sophistry made Jesus a liar because Jesus explicitly not everything is predestined. (Matthew 19:1-7) Don't be duped and swallow the garbage these people propagate. READ YOUR BIBLE AND THINK.

He has a "babies are murdered here" banner on his wall, while plainly stating the Bible teaches everything in the world is predestined........ 😄 These poor confused fools,...

He said Acts 14:38 and other verses? There is no verse Acts 14:38!

Flowers places words in the mouth of the White guy. Flower's is completely blind!

John Piper preached a false gospel.

It's scary to think, for someone who believes in Calvinism and struggling, if they are truly saved. Because faith isn't what saved them. They may wonder if there is ongoing sin that they may not have saving faith that God gives.

I would encourage you all to read your bibles. There are scriptures that support arminianism, yes. However there are so many more that support calvinism. Do you just ignore those scriptures? You would have to in order to accept these teachings. Read your bibles people. I pray for you all.

I don’t have evidence that serpents can talk. Does anyone here? We can be skeptical in book #1 friends.

Synergist: Saving Faith in the Gospel of Christ is 'conjured up out of the cauldron of our own human free wills' (falsely defined as, 'the power of contrary choice'; which is not the biblical definition of 'human free will'). Calvinist: Saving Faith in the Gospel of Christ comes by God's GRACE ALONE infusing it into those sinners whom HE WILLS. Pretty simple, really. Ever read Martin Luther's, "The Bondage of the Will". If not, that says a lot. *Soli Deo Gloria*

Brother,I am not a Calvinist. I don't know you personally. Like you I care deeply to know and live the truth of the word I'm sorry for your arrogance and your pride. I was not uplifted or made more intense about God's word by listening to you. The volume of your haughtiness drowned out your message. I hope this helps you. The Lord knows that I've been helped by this very same message given to me. Lord bless you brother.

We Evangelize because that's the primary way God Effectually Calls His Elect unto Himself. Pretty simple. No "circle" that needs to be "squared," here. God's Grace ALONE is what is being besmirched by the synergists, here. *Soli Deo Gloria*

He most definitely answered. That nail had to be hammered, so someone will hammer it.

Piper is too vested in it now to ever admit that he is wrong. A tool of Satan used to make people doubt their own salvation so they will be an ineffective witness and cause multitudes to never come to faith in Christ because they never hear the Gospel.

When I watched the entire debate, Flowers case reminded me of Delta Houses’s defense in the movie Animal Hose.

God is a perfect saviour , He actually saves His people from their sins, Jesus said “ No man CAN come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him” and all that My Father gives to Me I will not cast out “ God is Sovereign and He does what He pleases. Salvation is of the Lord!!! Get over yourself!!!!

Dr. Flowers is jumping a round all over the place and interrupting with snarky emotional quips and Dr. White seems to be more focused on the actual information/topic. Also more knowledgeable.

Sounds like he answered it to me

Dr. White brought his Calvinistic implications into Jn. 6:44 claiming its what the Bible teaches, then demanded Dr. Flowers to prove him wrong. Clearly, Dr. White is unwilling to remotely even question his presuppositions.

Yeah, Flowers definitely didn’t mop any floors. I don’t even think he’s a janitor. And White is bald, so that would be somewhat difficult to mop the floor with White.

Since "most", calvys and non-calvys, agree that 2 Corinthians 4:4 is referring to the Devil, how do you deal with the contradiction of Satan having the ability to blind, if God has already blinded the unelect before they were even born? If the unelect are INCAPABLE of understanding the Gospel, then satan's job regarding those individuals was complete BEFORE they were born. (no need for him to roam seeking who he may devour, and blind) Calvinist theology determines the unelect are simply gifts God freely gives to satan. If God is omnideterminant of men's will to accept or not accept the Gospel, then He rendered Satan powerless from the beginning of time, and Satan is then not the actual director of evil.

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