I think Monty would’ve been better if he had been a drummer. Not just because I don’t think it makes sense that there isn’t one in the Glamrock band, but because it would work with his anger issues.
Part of his anger could even be from limitations in how hard he can even drum Oh wait its Fazbear Entertainment... there are no limitations. Still be INFINITELY cooler. Even have an implicit/accidental energizer bunny reference since he replaced bonnie
Imagine: his green room has burst drums stacked like barrels or cakes, maybe other objects smashed in too. Sticks laying about yes maybe even a joke about chica (drumsticks as a food are often referring to chicken or turkey) to build a rivalry
the problem with the indie developer plot is: its a excuse to bad writting on the series, if the story doesn't make sense, so "its all exagerration from a lunatic" as if the games aren't fainthful to the real events on universe
I mean it was a soft reboot to diferanciate Scots games and Steel Wools games, the events still happened, William Afton is a murderer and is suffering in a hell
@@docrilas See, that could have been a solid idea to set things back to kids having disappeared but no one is quite sure who done it, or the killer was known but not a major part of the rest of Fazbear's fall. But whoever did the story writing couldn't help themselves and Malhare and Burntrap happened, implying that William Afton is or was still a character in play. It feels like no one bothered deciding what happened or how much of the older games they really wanted to keep.
29:19 Vanny's design actually accomplishes a lot! It manages to make you feel gross about the in and out-of-universe reasons for her design at the same time!
I find it interesting in that she sawned together her own costume, there is the entire "brainwashed" angle or even the angle of her idolising the murderer or murders. There is a lot of intereasting ideas and maybe behaviur
I genuinely find her design quite frightening, esp with her carefree skipping (cutscenes, not gameplay)- it reminded me of Glitchtrap, who had the absolute scariest design the series ever got imo. I was freaked out and upset by the mini-games but Afton’s pixel sprite became a meme too quickly for me to take seriously
My hot take is that this is the coldest Hot Take video you've done yet. So many of these takes are pretty common, especially on Freddit like: "the lore is too complicated, I hate the fandom, the books ruined the franchise, I hate the Mimic, the franchise is too kid-friendly now" etc. Not saying you're not allowed to have these opinions about FNAF but I see so many of these takes recycled bi-weekly on popular forums and online spaces that I've become numb to them. It's currently 102 degrees outside and this video feels like a chilled drink in comparison, though your comment about the potential Fall Fest game was absolutely the hottest one. Glad the video ended on that.
If anything, we need to fight back by posting the actual hot takes; anything remotely positive. Any fanbase online loves to criticize as much as possible, so the best way to be refreshing is to actually support something rather than destroy it.
My fnaf hot take, is that we need more quiet emotional moments. Unless I’m forgetting some, we really haven’t got any of these since Sister location. Sure, Security Breach has its sad moments, like Freddy being torn apart by the Staff bots, or even in Ruin, when Cassie “shuts off” Roxy, but none of these have really stuck, because it feels kinda forced. Like someone in the audience is holding a “cry now!” Sign or whatever. None of these, no matter how sad, have really stuck with me, because they just don’t hit as hard as some of the older games did. One of my favorite examples, is the bad ending in FNaF 3. Seeing the animatronics masks on the floor, realizing they were still alive, still suffering in there, and the cherry on top? The music, oh god the music! It tops of this scene as a truly sad moment, one where no words need to be spoken. Another example is in FNaF 4, where you hear the crying child’s heartbeat monitor flatline. Just hearing it, and right after seeing Micheal(?) stuff his brothers head into Fredbear, it just hurts. Hearing this poor child’s life end, all because his older brother is a jerk. Again, no words need to be said. And last, a moment that’s a bit different, is in Sister location. It’s the time when Circus Baby tells you how she killed Elizabeth. Just sitting under the desk, hearing a robot tell you how she murdered a little girl, all while she plays it cool. Granted, Baby does sound genuinely sad or remorseful, but you have to wonder, how much of that is her act? How much does she truly care?
Maybe not an entirely hot take, but probably an extreme one: The lack of confirmed information and defined definition between the “canonicity” of sources will kill this franchise if not eventually addressed . Imagine you’re building a card tower, and the bottom level of cards is confirmed information. Currently we are several layers up, with only a handful of cards on the bottom. If not addressed this franchise will collapse in on itself without some cards added to the bottom for stability. We *need* more information that is solidly confirmed or it will toppled down into a pile of speculation, logical leaps, and disagreements. Additionally, the current state allows retcons easily which will simply knock down out tower with no way to notice the differences as we have nothing firm. If we want this franchise to last, we need to have some things decidedly solved so we can move onto the next mystery. Like, just give us a definitive answer and explanation of the first 6 games+UCN so we can continue forward. Bonus Hot take: so much of post SB Fnaf feels like disney star wars, namely in the story beat retreads. Especially with the mimc. A lot of Disney Star Wars is retreading ideas and plots from Legends, and a lot of the post SB/HW fnaf feels similar to me.
Yea, they don't need to say X is how it actually is but like strong hints and conections as well as evidence in game would be better, but we only gain soft and circumstantial evidence so much that nothing seem to be true, we need more hard facts confirmed
@@theprinceofawesomeness I'd argue that they do need to say that X is how it actually is for a bunch of things. Like take the rogue indie developer thing, with that we need a solid framework for what it takes out of play from the first four (five?) games. It would be nice to have a better breakdown of the various versions of the setting, with TSE trilogy, Fazbear Frights, Tales From the Pizzaplex, the movies, and the games themselves each having seemingly wildly different versions of events in places, but all seeming to inform each other. It becomes frustrating when everything we get seems like it could lead to at least a couple different options and there's a million threads just sort of floating out there waiting to be either worked in or snipped off
The whole game franchise should be rebooted in such a way that both the serial killer of the first 3 games and William Afton the mad scientist can coexist without needing to be the same person. What I mean is that the Bite, the MCI, and the killer being springtrapped should all happen before William and Michael show up. And as far as Charlie is concerned, I'd probably just have her death be a tragic accident, like she was hit by a car outside. That was my theory for the longest time and would explain a lot that has to otherwise be explained with contrivance.
I feel that the books shouldn't be a thing anymore, since I feel that they are just adding useless facts that are nothing, and even without that, the books themselves are either just confusing or bad stories, or being rip-offs / knock-offs like the Fazbear Frights book just being Goosebumps but for FNAF fans The only books I would accept are the ones based on in-universe content, like cooking books or mini-comics based on characters, stuff like that, but of course, with no secrets or hints
4:54 the funniest part is that in an earlier storyboard monty was supposed to cling onto the bucket out of rage or smth and that (plus the weight of the balls gregory shot in it) would have caused the buckets support cable things to snap and to fall
Add it to the looooooong list of cancelled things in security breach that for some reason GO UNFIXED TO THIS DAY, all the deleted things potentially ruining the franchise because we still don’t know what happened in security breach.
The word "prototype" being retconned onto Freddy's foot in Ruin was a serious breaking point for me with this franchise. It's a tiny, insignificant detail that could've (and really should've) been left alone. But no. That one detail sent all the theorists into panic mode, trying to figure out who this "new" Freddy is, what happened to our Freddy, and whether or not our Freddy really is our Freddy at all. I think we all just concluded that our Freddy is with Gregory now, and the "prototype" Freddy is either the original Freddy's remaining body or a replacement that somehow got damaged the same exact ways as the original. Either way, what was the point? That one tiny, insignificant detail that could've (and I can't stress this enough, REALLY SHOULD HAVE) been left alone, made everyone collectively run around in circles only to arrive at the exact same place that we started. Why? Can we not just have a straightforward answer for once in this franchise?
It's baffling that even though the Saving Ending is pretty much confirmed and that Freddy lost his head in that ending, that one word has spawned a completely second Freddy who also lost his head and was damaged in the same way despite the fact Vanessa said there wasn't a second Freddy casing. XD And now since it has a wikia page, it's pretty much concreted in even if that wasn't the intention. And we'll probably never get clarification from Steel Wool, lol.
The answer is easy. Everybody wants to be the next big star in the fandom for uncovering a hidden lore detail that may or may not have been a thing. 1983 was obviously just showing us a cartoon from years prior airing as a rerun yet people acted dumb and thought there was another bite. Now Scott and whomever else he works with ran with the idea and now say there's been 2 bites. History is repeating itself. It was clear as day the prototype tattoo was just a retconned design element we're supposed to now view being on freddy's foot in security breach. But now once again Scott and his coworkers are using the fans greed for knowledge and fame and pretending there's 2 freddy's. I can't wait to see what this fandbase tries to make a big deal next. Gregory and cassy might be made foster sibs and the fans will think they're actually blood related lol
I like monty for two simple reasons. First off, he's simple to understand. No sorrow for him, no big twist (we suspected him from the start for bonnie's murder), and no complexity. Just kill. Second is Giga Monty, because he PROVES that Steel wool can make the animatronics actually threatening in SB, but by accident. Plus spawning an armada of simple minded killing machines is amazing to me.
The Monty take really doesn't sit with me right. Monty had a lot of interesting potential but he was continuously shafted by Steel Wool for no reason. People liked him because he was a new animal, the only Alligator or any type of lizard in FNAF! He's cool and seemed to have a laid back and relaxed personality. People are allowed to like him based off his design, and it's not their fault that Steel Wool literally refused to write him properly, or even at all. In Ruin his whole existence there is just about how he replaced Bonnie and what happened with Bonnie. He doesn't even SPEAK there either. And then he just randomly dies later in game. How is that fair? I used to be a Monty fan but I gave up because the only reason he exists is to be villainized. And he most likely won't ever be seen again. In a few years we're gonna look back on Monty as the most blatantly ignored character in the entire series.
Wasted potential is always an ongoing thing in this series But Scam Wool takes that to a whole new level THREE TIMES IN A ROW Vanny, the blob, and the mimic I get that the mimic and the blob still have potential but the Blob could have been used more in RUIN but it didn’t As for the mimic, it wasn’t actually scary
Also he hangs out on the catwalks to run away from his responsibilities as a bassist, so it's hinted that he doesn't even like being part of the band. Monty isolating himself resonates with me.
I think that is another good point, The game framing him as the almost chill one for in universe art and then him being crazy aggressive was already a big spot for potential character building, but, it never went further. I'm still never over that he just, dies. like I get it, Cassie doesn't wanna try helping something THAT dangerous but like, you can help Chica, interact ith Roxy, but Monty just...dies.
I also hate that Monty doesn't appear in help wanted 2. I've seen some people argue that he isnt in the game because he died, but the game takes place between security breach and Ruin. He should still be alive. I really hope he at least gets to appear in a future dlc
Yeah, it was unique to finally have a reptile in the series. Reptiles always looked cool to me and I felt like he had the makings to be a true fan favorite, he already looks very marketable imo, but he just hasn’t been given the chance yet for some reason. I was very disappointed to hear that he was “too far gone” I’m hoping that gets taken back and he gets more development in the future.
Hot take: the only reason people say fnaf 6 should’ve been the true end or fnaf 6 wrapped everything up nicely is only because of Henry’s sap speech at the end. It doesn’t tie up every loose end and it doesn’t answer most of what the community wanted to know. Who are the shadow animatronics, who are the extra set of dead kids in fnaf 2 and the who really were the missing kids as people. There is so much missed potential with all these and other mysteries that could be explored but since there’s a big speech that gave me the tingles it’s the perfect ending to fnafs story. The lore now may be messy but at least it hasn’t abruptly ended and there is a chance some questions in the older games could be answered.
If the fnaf 2 animatronics were possessed, I feel like they (the names of those kids) would've been revealed a long time ago. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the only animatronics that are possessed are: Freddy, Bonnie, Chica, Foxy, Golden Freddy, Puppet, Circus baby, Spring trap and that one map bot. I've heard a theory that the shadow animatronics were once janitors but idk about that. I don't think were ever going to get anything showing what the 5 kids were like.
@@Forgottensnapdragon the fnaf 2 mini games (specifically the save them minigame) has shown many sets of dead bodies in the fnaf 2 location. Idk if the set of kids in save them and in foxy go go go are meant to be the same 5 but there has been many deaths at Freddy’s.
@@Forgottensnapdragon iirc the funtimes are also semi-haunted by the original MCI kids. remnant or smth. i'm also under the impression that the toy animatronics aren't haunted/possessed, but that their software got fked up. i think the save them minigame just shows another set of murders william did. that or fnaf2 is just... lightly brushed out the timeline/canon lol
I think the missing children incident took place at FNAF 2 and not a different place and FNAF 2 had another incident. It makes sense because the other mystery the first game had, the bite of 87, also took place there. If there was another incident where there were 10 children missing instead of 5, they would have mentioned it by now, or at least at all, but they didn't.
@@greggoleggo9160I think the Foxy minigames were just to showcase that it was the mysterious purple man who was behind the missing children's incident and not a real showcase of it happening, so it probably was the same situation as the puppet minigame.
While I am sorta interested in fall fest, I'm definitely not fully invested like most of the community is, mainly because a fall fest existing before fredbears just makes fredbears feel less important imo, I always viewed Fredbears as the small humble diner started by 2 close friends with good intentions that results in all of the big messes that come after the bite. Having it actually begin at a grand circus just feels shoehorned in out of nowhere, it makes the bite of 83 feel less important because I bet the fall fest is gonna have some tragedy and thats what makes Afton start killing rather than the bite
I mean it still happened before everything so unless he kills someone it was just one thing added to the rest otherwise he would have been a killer long before the mci
I feel fallfest only has possibilities to show precursors to fazbear or something of the sort like how concepts of other characters came to be Either way theres like nothing actually goin on or possibilities to occur within it
I'm likely autistic and FNAF is the hyperfixation for me. As a result,I find it very easy to recall information on this franchise. It's difficult for me to understand why people don't like it. But I also acknowledge that I love the puzzle and other people definitely aren't gonna click with that Edit: Tape Girl technically says that everything that happened in the first 6 games was canon,people always leave that part out.
Yes, but here is the big rub on that: One was it one to one, if so how the hell does he know? Two, did he add anything to the story of his own volition that could and would alter the scenario that actually happened? Three, while we know it is a joke at Scott, the problem is well, in universe who is this guy? Four, why even make the plot point relevant and not just a joke they make clear was just a joke, because of the fact that with the books in tow oh boy does the logic just bounce inside a butchered drying machine.
My problem with FNAF is that to me it's less like one cohesive puzzle with a difficult solution, and more like someone took 5 seperate puzzles, mixed all the pieces together, removed half of them, and then asked you to make a single coherent picture 😂
i 100% relate to this. im autistic and the whole puzzle thing is the biggest appeal to me. i feel like I get into franchises that are super convultuted or where you could spend years on dissecting every part of it haha. the franchise might not be the greatest story in the world but I don't think I could stop now considering its been 10 years 😅
My only issue with the Mimic is that it wasn't introduced into the games better. Sure, for those who read the books and liked it, it was a hype reveal in RUIN, but I can imagine that a lot of people who never read the book were probably thinking "Who tf is this weird ass endoskeleton." And I hope it's story is also explained in the games eventually, and any new reveals about it are in the games first, because I think the books work best when they're expanding apon a reveal from the games, like The Fourth Closet and the Stitchwraith epilogues did with remnant.
My take is that the rant at 3:01 about how people liking Monty is "insane" is so.... ???? It's hard to describe. All the points are strange to me. Like "he's literally just the brute character!" sometimes people like brute characters. I don't get how that's so incomprehensible. You may not like them, that's fine. But how is "i like the goofy dumb mean angry guy" so hard to understand? And don't even get me started on the "there's potential there, BUT it's untapped potential at best", as if the potential being untapped is a reason against liking him. I don't know, maybe I'm just too much of a "all my favorite characters are background characters" warrior. I don't even care for Monty myself, but I can still understand why some WOULD like him. Also "how can you like something that's so underutilized???" is such a funny thing to say on the channel of someone whose favorite character is the puppet. Lol. Lmao even.
Yeah that whole comment just reads as someone who doesn’t like Monty being weirdly bitter and trying to rationalize why everyone who likes him is some dumb idiot who has terrible taste lmao
Like I can’t stand sun and moon, I was actually upset at how much attention they got in HW2 but I don’t write entire rant essays about how I think people shouldn’t like them for reasons X, Y, and Z. People are allowed to like characters for whatever reason they want, even if it’s something as shallow as “I just like his vibe”. It’s not fans fault that Monty gets no attention and it’s just so silly to get so heated over something as simple as personal taste.
Also that person saying that Vanny is the definition of being underused and understanding why ppl like her but not understanding why ppl like Monty when he's ALSO underused 😭 some serious cognitive dissonance there
In regards to the monty hot take, why isn't it enough for us to like a character without depth? It doesn't make them any less of a character or less worth being enjoyed. His design is imo the objective best of the band, he has more personality shown in his depictions of his back story and his actual behaviour in game then glam rock chica. Why does he have to have heaps of depth to be peoples favourite? Stuff like that really urks me, the hot take isn't monty is wasted potential (because everyone knows that), it's that it's weird to like him, like he's not even my favourite, that's freddy but still... Last thing, I don't think it was ever meant to be that monty destroyed Bonnie (or at least not before being tampered with) until the fans went absolutely wild for the theory, ruin is already just fanservice so I wouldn't put it past them.
Some people like to defend him and pretend he's a perfect little angel that was framed. There's comments on this video saying he's not just some angry meathead. The annoying part isn't that people like Monty for who he is, but for some fan fiction they make up in their heads about him that they will defend to the death as canon.
@@carmandirda see I would say that's valid but, that's literally how it is for every single character in fnaf that's liked? Except for glam freddy, roxy, baby and ig vanny, the characters have less then what monty has going for him. It's weird to feel so strongly about fans having a headcanon when that's all fnaf has for it's fan base is all imo
@@carmandirda I'm a Monty fan and it's not that I only like my own version/headcanon of Monty, I think there's just more to him than meets the eye, I really think Monty is a good person, Just misunderstood, But we won't know until it's confirmed, I'll still love him even if he is evil.
I like how Monty in Ruin is just the angry feral gator man. He has the same appeal as a rabid chihuahua. He's cute in a “He thinks he's intimidating when he's not,” kind of way. There's no thoughts but angy.
hot take: I like that we're potentially getting Charlie(bot) back. She never got a good storyline imo, and was used as a plot device for a lot of the story she's in. A vengeful Charlie(bot) taking over the Pizzaplex and getting revenge on Afton to some degree would be fantastic to see, even still.
I like Monty not due to his character, design, or even his gameplay. I like him cause funny gator does big jump, funny gator cannot notice me when I sit in the water 2 ft. from his face, funny gator can't catch me when I walk in the first chase. All in all he fucking sucks, that's why he's awesome. Same with berdly from deltarune, they are sooo bad that it loops around to becoming sort of adorable. Like a toddler who sucks at playing hide-and-seek.
This is a hot take I have had for awhile. I don't believe Monty killed Bonnie, I don't think anyone killed Bonnie. I know that sounds weird but let me explain. Bonnie's mystery feels like steelwool or who evers at the top just threw stuff together in security breach and had no clue who actually killed Bonnie. Bonnie's mystery felt like a red heiring to distract from security breach issues. My main reason for believing this is because most of the evidence comes from ruin/Bonnie's corpse. It feels like the only good evidence people had for Monty killing Bonnie because of his anger issues and he's jelly of Freddy. But if Monty was jealous of Freddy why would he kill Bonnie? Couldn't be just kill Freddy if he wanted to be a star? Both of Monty is innocent and Monty is guilty have massive plot holes that people ignore for closer. I also want to get it out of the way, we know nothing about Bonnie's personality so all we could know he could have been an asshole and who ever dealt him in was just defending themselves but that's the issue WE DON'T KNOW! And don't use Freddy as an excuse to show Bonnie was a sweet heart. Freddy clearly cared about his friends even Roxy, one of the most awful characters in security breach. Im talking about actions not character personality. We don't know who killed Bonnie because not even FNAF knows who kills Bonnie. I also do want to hear about the message bag, that message was poorly written and only tells us that Bonnie existed. Bonnie is a non existent character and Monty is an under developed character. Also ruin just saw the theories around Monty and went "we dont have to make a killer because the fans made a killer" and then just add to the theory thinking they were smart. I'm not trying to hate on anyone but God Bonnie does not matter at all. Sorry if it should like I hate everyone that believes Monty killed Bonnie or the people at steelwool. Sorry this is terrible, I just suck at writing out my thoughts
Another thing to add is that Monty was skipping performances and hanging around on the catwalks brooding, why? This was something that Monty wanted enough to destroy Bonnie and yet he doesn't seem happy. Also destroying his greenroom. One last thing, this time about Roxy. She wasn't really an awful person as shown in Ruin.
@@prufan I know Roxy was shown to be a good person in ruin but I was talking about security breach where she was a awful person? Robot? I still liked her character she was just an ahole in security breach. And thank you for the extra evidence 😁
Yeah, even if SteelWool has decided who killed Bonnie NOW, I don’t think they had decided when they were making SB at all. The evidence only ever points towards Monty, but none of it is anywhere near conclusive. It’s so, so clear to me that they wanted to highlight Monty as the suspect and then be able to go back and decide later whether he actually did it or if he was just framed.
I think an interesting twist would be that it was all self-inflicted. Maybe he spends all that time in the catwalks thinking about the last things Bonnie said to him like joining the band before finding him in Bonnie Bowl. Maybe Fazbear Entertainment either didn’t know or didn’t want the truth to be revealed so they framed Monty for it and came up with a somewhat fabricated origin story that left out the big part. I still think there’s little enough evidence to make that a possibility.
One of the main actual problems in the fandom is the amount of confidence some people have and the resulting vitriol when others don’t agree with their “obvious” interpretation. I personally cannot imagine a single theory that anyone could possibly suggest that would invoke any amount of anger or even annoyance. At worst I’d get a giggle out of a wacky one. And yet people get soooo mad when someone disagrees with their take on MimicTrap or TalesGames etc as if the other person must be trolling. Like I understand getting attached to theories or even thinking they are the most likely explanation, but outside of like four or five things in the games, we don’t actually know almost anything! The fact that people can speak with so much confidence on almost any debated aspect of this franchise is insane to me. Things like whether or not the books being “directly connected to the games” means they are in the same canon or the fact that Burntrap was (probably) not the canon ending means he didn’t exist or even the “two” lights in golden freddy’s eyes in the FNaF 3, even if you have pretty good ideas of what the answers are for all of those cases, how can you not admit and accept that they are (at LEAST) pretty confusing. Those are really the main times that the fandom is toxic, making something out to be obvious as though most things in this franchise aren’t open to a lot of interpretation, and then getting really defensive about it.
I think this game franchise has been going on for such a long time now that it's just kind of assumed that more popular theories or interpretations are THE correct ones. And that's just unfortunately the natural consequence of it also being a franchise where people need ground to stand on but SO little is confirmed that they make it (out of theories). It can be a bit depressing to think that almost everything is up in the air and almost nothing is properly nailed down, it makes it hard to really theorise especially now that this story is into it's like 10th game and the lore from the first THREE games still isn't properly confirmed. It's like trying to build a house without a solid foundation. There _is_ no solid foundation so people feel like they have to make one by 'canonising' or treating as Canon things that really aren't Canon, just widely accepted. And when someone questions that or has a different interpretation of stuff they treat as foundational to lot of their theorising, everything comes tumbling down. Doesn't justify toxicity as it is JUST a game lol but it is partially a direct result of how the lore in this franchise exists.
Yeah, I did a double-take when I watched the Dual Process Theory video, and they pointed out how just how much "confirmed" information is just things the fandom made up and accepted as gospel. I didn't agree with all of their conclusions but I think the video is a very valuable one to watch just for that point alone.
For me personally, Monty is one of my favorites because he's just kind of silly to me. I don't think he's innocent or anything, just silly. He's a jerk and he sucks, but I think he's dumb. I don't think I'd normally like a character like that because there's nothing building on it, but after the glitch where you can get a bunch of him and his design are probably what makes me like him. Also, I like the design of his golf course. I can understand why people don't like him though.
Monty is personally my favorite, because I enjoy being able to characterize him and imagine a story for him! It reminds me of the early FNAF days, when characters were being given personalities based on their physical appearance and mechanics alone (not that it was all good, but it's nostalgic) I also love that he's an alligator and that he has a southern accent, his general design is unique to me! He was very underused, which is sad and unfortunately I don't think he'll be back:(
I think that Monty's fatal flaw could've been ignorance instead of rage, seeing as Roxy fits rage a bit better, at least in her death. Also, Monty murdering Bonnie isn't necessarily a waste of potential. With security breach giving the characters more personality than ever, making them practically humans, Imo it was cool to see that the animatronics could have arguments and grudges against each other. And shows that Monty must not have been on safe mode like Freddy was. So that in itself raises the question of why he wasn't on safe mode to begin with. idk, I definitely think that they could've done sooo much more with him. But I don't think that he's a waste of potential entirely
I like the idea that Monty was the first animatronic to get hacked by Vanny and thus got way more time to go off the deep end than the rest. He was probably still jealous to begin with, but I don't get the feeling that any of the animatronics could have hurt each other without Vanny's interference
@@KoruChaos yes exactly!! The idea of him slowly drifting from the others is super appealing to me and I think it would help his story :D also agree with the vanny having to interfere, if they would clarify that it wasn't Monty's malicious intent and instead vanny's influence that made him kill bonny then he would be a much more sympathetic character
Monty is liked BECAUSE he is basicly a blank slate, you'd be surprised how many favorite characters are favorites because traits can be assumed without major pushback from the facts
Yeah Monty doesn’t have much actual character in the game truly so a lot of the fans fill in the gaps and why many people may like how a specific person may see Monty
The only reason Monty is one of my favorite Glamrocks is because I can do his voice. Being able to replicate a voice makes me like the character more. For example: My favorite animatronics in FNaF are Molten Freddy and Funtime Freddy which I can do their voice(s?)
I don't mind the rogue indie developer plot point because literally everything fazbear entertainment is saying is meant to gaslight people in world about what actually happened with Freddy's. But we as real people are playing "the real" events of the FNAF storyline, I don't think we're actually meant to take anything straight from the mouths of fazbear Incorporated as straightforward fact. That's just meant to be in world reasoning for why people aren't so hung up about all the fucked-up shit at the Freddy's locations. Because they've been fooled into thinking it's all some big elaborate marketing ploy to garner more twisted interest in the franchise.
Agreed; isn't it even addressed by Tape Girl that Fazbear Entertainment basically hired the indie developer to take the fall for them so they could come back into the picture? That's not even a later-game explanation, that was coming from the same game. Not saying that they *couldn't use it to retcon significant points, and some could argue that they might have already, but I'm in agreement with RyeToast on this matter: basically that they're trying to say "Hey, these games were made years ago and we all know the story's a mess, we're going to try to fix it, if we say something in these newer games that contradicts the old ones (or at least the widely accepted fan interpretation) then trust the newer info."
@@SpikyEaredPichu96 A few logical problems, there are victims who actually suffered then thus meaning people whom likely would and have sued the snot out of the company for A: death and or dismemberment of a family member B: literal Arson C: straight up kidnapping/ suspicion of of entrapment while that last one is not technically a legal point, it would be important. Also D: and this one while they could point at the indie dev for this, they still paid for it and let it go out so yes they would take heat for it, DEFIMATION of a VICTIM of their franchise. No matter how you twist it, if Six Flags made a game about a horrific accident that happened on their rollercoasters, it would not look to good, infact that would make their stock catch fire under any logical scrutiny in bare minimum the public eye. Y'know, the people you want to actually come to your diner in the first place.
@@fcoonjj4844 You make several good points. The only thing I really have to point out is that from what I remember of Tape Girl's audio, it sounded like the fact that the indie dev was hired wasn't common/public knowledge? Fazbear Entertainment framed it as this one sick weirdo deciding to make light of tragedy, which had the 'unintended' side effect of bringing awareness back to the brand, so it could be the 'indie dev' was paid discretely and wasn't expecting to be thrown under the bus. And at this point, even if they have proof, Faz Ent has enough money to hire a lawyer good enough to try and make said proof look fake. They could even make themselves look like heroes by apologizing to the victims' families for the actions of an "unaffiliated" third party. And then, y'know, releasing new games about it, because we all know by now that Faz Ent is still not a smart company.
@@fcoonjj4844 Forgot to mention, we canonically play as a playtester in HW; most likely Tape Girl's audio never made it to the final product, if anyone other than Vanessa even had her files to begin with.
Even if we accept that the 1-6 is still canon and was just recreated by the rogue indie developer, we still have a huge problem. Were things exactly the same, or just the main plot points? If everything really was exactly the same, how did the indie developer know so many intricate details about the appearance of characters and locations? Not to mention that FNAF 4 can't have happened in a dream or a hallucination of a known character, *and* have the indie developer know about it. If the indie developer didn't know intricate details, then that means that so much information in those games is wrong and questionable, from blueprints, exact words spoken, character appearances, layouts of the different locations, dates things happened. That invalidates basically every existing theory. Not to mention, what about the games with multiple endings? If the rogue indie developer was making the games based on real events, it means that one ending actually happened and the others were just ones he made up. This means that commonly used pieces of evidence like the lights in the masks' eyes in FNAF 3, the box, and the SL safe room have no relation to the canon. So long as the indie developer exists, it's impossible for everything we've seen in 1-6 to also be canon.
25:14 if I hear any more discussion/complaints about RID (Rouge Indie Dev) I'm gonna send a strongly worded letter to Scott himself. The "Rouge indie dev" was just flavor text used in the intro to explain why people in universe still back Freddy's, RID is and was never supposed to be an earth shattering conclusion that breaks the lore in half. RID's involvement in the story starts with the company [who is known to, and has evrey motive to lie.] showing him in a disclaimer, and ends with a character saying that RID was some rando hired by Faz Entertainment to make games to profit off of and distract people from the events of the story already happening. Which events happened? ALL OF THEM. The story didn't reset itself, people just took a cheap cover up from a garbage company to heart and never decided to investigate further. Both in story and out
YES! Thank you! I so appreciate your words. I still can't believe there are people out there who are still clueless about it. Help Wanted made it clear that the past events *did* in fact, happen. Tape Girl even plainly states that the whole thing was an elaborate coverup to discredit the past rumors. Sure, there's the issue of how the Indie Developer came across this information, but the games' events themselves still happened as depicted. How everyone keeps missing that is beyond me.
As a Monty fan, I really sympathize with him and relate to him, He's my favorite FNAF character and I really hope he gets treated better and more screentime in the future, I really do hope he does have a sympathetic side to him, The game had us thinking Roxy was a narcissistic diva who only cares for herself and that's it, But then Ruin came along and it showed us who Roxy truly was under the mask, A kind and caring sweetheart, Seeing Roxy get a redemption arc like that made me happy, But it also made me feel bad for the other two, I really hope Monty didn't die, I think that Monty did kill Bonnie, But not the reason that people think, I think Monty was hacked into killing Bonnie, The Storyteller books state that Monty was harmless before he got hacked, And when he got hacked he became much more aggressive and destructive which could've made him kill Bonnie, If he was never hacked, He would've never done it in the first place, I also believe it could be the other way around, Bonnie could've been the first Glamrock to be hacked and Monty killed him out of self defense protecting a lost child who became one of the missing children, And the reason he hates Freddy could be that Freddy was hacked too at the time, Yeah the books also state that Freddy was hacked before too, I think that Freddy killed the child that Monty tried to save, Which could explain his huge hatred toward him, I really think there's more to Monty than meets the eye, I know these theories might sound a little far fetched, But it's just what I think, Don't hate me, I think it would be boring if his story was just he was petty and wanted to be in the band, I really think Monty deserves a redemption arc, Same with Chica, I really hope he returns in the HW2 DLC and hopefully we get a prequel showing what really happened between the two of them.
7:45 Ayyy I made it into the video! =D I should probably mention that the "my precious" thing was just an overexaggeration/joke about how some people seem to romanticize the Mimic. I was mostly venting a lot of frustration with the character and seeing a lot of other people who have similar thoughts on them since posting that has been super relieving, regardless of how significantly colder my take is now as a result. XD And yeah, totally fair and completely understand why you didn't want to like the Mimic. Still looking forward to your Mimic video! There were a lot of takes I really enjoyed in this, my favorite was the one about Tales from the Pizzaplex because I think they're onto something with that. Thinking about the Bobbiedots story, it WAS split into multiple parts and even then the pacing and certain events that happened feel... let's say mishandled as a catch all word for it. Stuff like that really does make you wonder if it was intended to be a much larger story before it had to be split apart.
I don't mind the sci-fi elements of Sister Location, I personally never have. In fact, I think it's kinda funny how people cherrypick the SL bots as being unrealistic, ignoring the fact that the animatronics- ever since the first game- could walk. In the 90s. With how hard bipedal locomotion is for a robot even NOW, that's slightly ridiculous in itself, right? I know it could be that they're only able to from the haunted element, but even that is kind of a speculative guess that causes problems of its own
Sure but suspension of disbelief can only go so far. My issue with the SL robots isn't that they are too advanced necessarily, but it's strange how they were apparently created in the 80s yet look far more futuristic than the Freddy band from the 90s.
Hot take: the hot take about new fnaf being too kids friendly is so silly. It usually comes from people who were kids/teens when they got into fnaf 1 when it came out, I wonder how they got into it if it wasn't for kids. And the main argument is always "there is no blood in new fnaf", when in the old fnaf blood was just some pixels in a few minigames and one game over screen with an eyeball. But it's always being said with a face like there were Warhammer levels of blood. In reality modern fnaf has just as many dark themes and ideas like the old one, but with more accent on characters that are involved in it. Blood is not mandatory to tell a dark story. And Vanny's knife wasn't deleted. She had it only on the art, but there is no mention of it in the cutcontent as far as i'm aware. The only argument that is left here is that SB poster might have more appeal to kids, which i guess is kinda fair.
I hope that mimic can at least get a foot higher than the hole it has right now. It’s never reaching ground level but it deserved everyone involved with his plot deserved a lot better.
okay, one thing i rarely see people bring up but i think should be said, is that while it's cool that Scott always made new models for every game (for the most part, this isnt including the recolours) because it showed he actually put some effort into the games, it ultimately is and was a detriment at several points since it creates timeline issues and just other inconsistencies. like for example Golden Freddy. it's implied that the Golden Freddy suit from FNAF2 was the one that the fifth kid was stuffed into, and i would argue it's pretty much confirmed because of the death minigames, but then in the first game, which chronologically takes place *AFTER* FNAF2, the Golden Freddy suit shows up again, but this time it's a clean and pristine version of the suit, which means they would have had to made a new Golden Freddy/Fredbear suit, decide they wouldnt use it, and leave it to just sit around, and it keeps being haunted. while that admittedly IS low hanging fruit because it's from the first two games and the story clearly wasnt thought through all the way yet at that point, i still think it shows how it does lead to inconsistencies because of the new models. my second example for this is how Springtrap went from... well, Springtrap, to Scraptrap. i could absolutely see that the suit would get more damaged and lose an arm, and things like that, but not how he would also somehow had gotten new feet for his fursuit, a whole new head, and also change up the whole body shape. did he find another broken down Spring Bonnie? i wouldnt think so since (at least i think) it's implied that there was only one Spring Bonnie, so did he make new parts himself? i feel like it would be very hard to make a whole new suit that is just as, if not more, broken down than the original, while wearing the original suit and also being dead. why even bother making a new suit if it's supposed to be *MORE* broken? i think it would have worked much better if Scott had kept the original Springtrap model and then just changed it up and withered it even more. it would have saved a lot of how the character is viewed and also would not have made people just mock the design and not take William Afton seriously. it's like Scott didnt even reference his old Springtrap model at all and just remade it from memory, resulting in the peanut headed monster we got in Pizza Sim. it also would have saved the other scrap designs in the game i feel, like Molten Freddy could have been more accurate to the original Funtime Freddy, and Scrap Baby could have looked much better if the original model was reused in part, maybe have Baby reuse part of the head and part of the torso, but having to replace some parts with scrap metal. it would have been much more obvious that they were the same characters, just from a later date. like i appreciate the effort that was put into making the characters feel fresh and new, but it loses a lot of that appreciation when the characters are barely recougnisable as the original character but at a later date. i feel like the only time it actually worked that they got new models was with FNAF2, since i could realistically see how the withered animatronics were just recycled and had entirely new "casings" made, so that the characters werent all broken down, but pretty much no other character that got a whole new model works in that same way. im not even going to count FNAF4 in there since that was supposed to be a nightmare-ified version of the animatronics, they werent going to look accurate to the original animatronics anyways. sorry for this comment being an essay, its in my nature to write too much when i care about something and i have thoughts about it, and things like this for some reason needs a lot of words to be expressed properly.
Hot take: Scott should never again directly confirm any FNAF lore. I can't think of a single instance in which Scott, or his subsidiaries, directly confirming a single lore detail actually made things any clearer. In fact, it often makes things more difficult by creating misconceptions through logical extension. For example, the Nightmarionne was said to specifically be non-canon by Scott himself. While this might have some implications about the Crying Child's relationship to the puppet, it has a larger overall chilling effect concerning the Halloween update characters as a whole. I think Dreadbear being an obvious parallel to Fredbear actually has significance. Everything about the Dreadbear DLC feels like an analog to things in the story. The house on the hill and the red lake. Dreadbear's emergence from the lake and his entrance to the nearby cabin. The It's me easter egg in the cabin. The cabin's proximity to the house and it hosting a birthday party setup makes it an obvious parallel for Fredbear's Family Diner. Dreadbear probably serves as a key to unlocking the lore of one of the least understood characters in the franchise, Golden Freddy. Dreadbear and his ilk, however, are woefully under-analyzed primarily because the Nightmarionne's confirmed non-canonicity is often blanketed over all the Halloween update characters. In conclusion... Scott should make the nightmarionne a real entity and never confirm or deconfirm lore again. (I miss the puppet-type noodly characters).
Hot Take: I actually like the switch in Baby’s personality from Sister Location to Pizzeria Simulator….with proper thematic context! I like the idea that when Baby got the chip taken out of her, that represented the Baby AI, the good part, the part of Baby that hated Afton and knew what he did. In Pizzeria Simulator, all that is left is Elizabeth’s soul inside Baby, who is still Afton’s baby girl, and maybe even feels like she has to serve Afton because he was right all along, and if she had listened to him, she wouldn’t have died. (No evidence for that, just my own head cannon). I think it’s a great shift creating kind of split personality character where one is awake, and knows Afton is evil and the other is totally misguided and not aware. Even before they split, I always like the dichotomy of the Baby AI being so smart and cunning but Elizabeth taking over at time and making Baby use words kids would use, like “dummy”. It makes you wonder how many actions were solely either Baby or Elizabeth.
But it ruins what she could have been. A great manipulative villain, a succesor to Afton. Instead she became a sidekick. At least the Fazbear Frights does her somewhat justice.
You know I just thought of a cool theory. What if Monty is angry at himself? What if he knows he’s being controlled and can’t do anything about it, or has the memories of being controlled. Imagine how that must feel. unable to control your body,hurting people you don’t wanna hurt(like Bonnie)so he’s angry at himself,he cuts himself off from the band,throwing rage fits,and doing all things we see him do in game.
Hot take: the VHS tapes is why people think the series is super gorey and is trying too tryhard. I rather slow and calm horror than having the payoff being a blood geyser
For me Monty is charming because of the lack of story he has. Besides his cool design, and atleast a few flaws and interest given, he is the perfect blank slate to imagine things and write the story you feel like he should have had. Sure it doesn't make him any better for the actual lore- but it made him a new thing for the fans and something to be talking about/ to fangirl over I guess.
For anyone that wants to give up on the franchise like i did and move on, i recommend writing your own idea of what the story should've been about, currently, i am working on a game inspired by Security Breach but with my own ideas and based on one of my favorite horror films. And i am using fnaf as an example of what NOT to do when writing a story, keep it simple at first then add more details along the way, but make sure it is CONSISTENT. I love Cawthon as an inspiration but as a writer he's infuriating. Playing mind games isn't going to help anyone figure it out.
Here's a hot take I have for you I hate Cassie's relationship with Roxy, it's both forceful and pointless to the point it's frustrating why the hell would Steel Wool put this in a horror game about a killer animatronic? I know Jason Topolski said in an interview with FuhNaff that they wanted Cassie to be a foil for Gregory by helping the animatronics, but what was the Idea of making Roxy (an abusive and murderous character who can cause harm even when Glitchtrap isn't controlling her) a good guy????? WHY? I mean all Chica got was her voice box and didn't do anything to help Cassie. Was this supposed to be irony that Roxy hates Gregory and likes Cassie or something?
I think the reason why people want Fall Fest 1970 (or at least why I would like it), is because it gives them a chance to concretely establish the early timeline. We're still living on a mound of assumptions and potential book parallels. To be shown this is a chance to finally clarify and put to rest a good section of the lore, as opposed to charging full steam into the future and just convoluting it further. With that said, if they choose to introduce a lot of unrelated nonsense with no connection or clarification, then that would also suck.
Been subscribed to your channel for awhile, and I love your videos. I had quite a few Hot Takes to submit here, but most of them are topics that have already been discussed is past Hot Take videos (such as "Evil Gregory being REALLY DUMB", "Roxy is Overrated", and the "Novel Canonicity Controversary.") Instead, I will discuss a topic that no one seems to be bringing up: Steel Wool Studios, themselves. While I am a big fan of Security Breach and Help Wanted, and fully support what they do...they REALLY need to do better in handling their games. Not only does the PS4 version of Help Wanted have a game crashing glitch that makes completing the "Blacklight" version of Foxy Repair impossible (not sure if the PS5 Re-release has this, I haven't reached that point yet.) But Security Breach, while now playable, still has some odd glitches that can end hours of progress if you are not careful (I speak of the infamous "7AM Bug", where charging stations are disabled.) I hear a Fan Mod is coming out called "The Remains", which will restore all of the cut content of Security Breach. Which makes me wonder why Steel Wool doesn't just release an official Director's Cut of Security Breach as they originally intended, with ALL of the cut content completed and restored. I am certain fans would clamor for that (I certainly would pay full price for it!) Forgive me if this is a hot enough take, but it is something that irks me.
I know for a fact it’s been said but the graphic novel design for afton is my least favourite version of him ever. The only thing I see is the “imposter is SUS” face when I look at him. It frankly would have been way scarier for him to look like an average businessman, since that’s what his facade is in the first place.
I love hearing a bunch of spicy takes from the fandom, despite repeatedly being burned by not being included in one of these videos. Oh well, there's always next time. And the next time. And the next time. In any case, I'm actually on board with you and Fall Fest. Every single FNAF theorist, ESPECIALLY RyeToast, is obsessing over the idea of the next game being Fall Fest without taking into account that what Steel Wool does with the story next by going back might genuinely ruin stuff even more. We already have The Mimic and the botched order of the MCI kids. Who knows what they'll do to the story in the past? They'll probably make it so The Mimic is actually the most important character in the history of FNAF and demand that you be invested in it like so many of its insane fans. Admittedly, that's a worst-case scenario, but anything could happen with this franchise, even the stuff that reasonably shouldn't. I swear, if they actually put Mimic on that pedestal, I will become Jeff the Killer.
Thing is, I don't know how much freedom Steel Wool has with the story. The way the games barely have story makes me wonder if they're like limited with what they can do- like that whole Paper Mario can't have unique characters thing from a few years ago, lol. But sorry you haven't been picked yet! I get a LOT of Hot Takes- I don't even see most of 'em, so sometimes they get missed out on. Hopefully I'll find 'em!
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 I'll keep trying. Persistence pays off in the end by my experience. Also, given that Scott let them gut Security Breach's original story, imply the order of the kids in Help Wanted 2, and make the games we played in-universe games, I'd say they have at least a good amount of control over the story.
Personally, I love Monty because of headcannons (One of which being part of all the animatronics issues are a response to Bonnie's death: Chica stress eating/being overly happy (she has crying voicelines only done when she thinks shes alone), Roxy scared of being replaced like he was, Freddy pretends he didn't exist and maybe is over chipper, and Monty is stuck in the anger phase of grief (he skips shows, why would he break Bonnie to get into the main band just to avoid the shows?)) and that- I can't take Monty seriously. He's a MINI-GOLFING GATOR! "You can hide, but you can't hide!"? His autistic t-rex arms walk cycle? If Chica can cry, if Roxy can care, if Freddy can get serious, then Monty can be more then just His anger. And I choose to believe behind the hack he is a silly goofball more in line with his half-lidded and chill cardboard cutouts I typed this because, idk I wanted to explain my reasoning for liking him. I completely understand the people that don't like him, we do only see anger in game and again, most of what I love is headcannon and sillyness :P
I seriously love the interpretation that a lot of Monty’s “bad behavior” is due to Bonnie’s death. One of the most interesting paths I think they could’ve gone down is that Monty DID kill Bonnie, but it was because Bonnie was the first one “infected” by the mimic/glitchtrap and he either ordered Monty to kill him or Monty killed him thinking it would be able to save the rest of them. His behavior really lines up so well with grief, I can’t see a guy who would kill another in cold blood to join a band just… skipping out on performances. Especially since one of the static ball racks in the room Bonnie was found in during Ruin had a bowling ball of Monty on it, implying that the ball had been there since Bonnie was brought into the room and that Monty was literally already in the band when Bonnie was destroyed. IDK, I feel like a lot of Monty haters don’t understand that a big appeal for Monty IS that he’s underutilized. It’s so fun to think about different possibilities with him.
Why? Even if it's in the original story, it's role is non-existent. Just an idea of Fazbear Entertainment trying to mass produce the Mimic, and it backfiring, causing them to cover up anything that has to do with it. That's it.
I totally agree with you on your Fall Fest take, and it’s kind of my Hot Take with the series and especially the theorists and fan base: we should be looking forward and future main games should be about new things, not showing off the past. The most recent popular Fnaf video going around by Dual Process Theory going over the first 6 games is really cool and it’s a great video, but I wish people cared more about the future than the past. I think the best thing would be if we had a new Fall Fest (like Fall Fest 2035 or whatever) and it alludes to the 70’s Fall Fest, but it’s more the background lore than the story being actively told. Love all your stuff, I use your videos as background while I work, so keep up the good work ❤
Hot take : Scott won't confirm any lore because he knows thats 90% of the reason a lot of people "tune in" between him and the gentleman from steelwool's interviews with Dawko. Literally the ONLY thing we learned was that steelwool is doing a game earlier in the timeline (which looks like were going to find out more about the mimic) and that SB Is so disjointed because Scott didn't give them a clear direction which lead to them accidentally putting springtrap/ burntrap in the game. (Which tbf Lines up with his last one which states that if anything doesnt make sense they'll clarify it in the next game) which is probably why they just airdropped the mimic into Ruin.
I think would've been better if instead of making Monty super angry they made him like a laid back surfer dude because he's portrayed as laid back so maybe he could be super lazy and not participate in shows and stuff and he could have the eye upgrades instead of Roxy and Roxy could have something to do with hearing(cuz wolf's can hear well)cuz then it's see no evil,hear no evil,speak no evil
@@baisakhimukherjee7524 I forgot about that but it could be because she can no longer hear her own voice which she loves the sound of(No Roxie hate) and for Monty a mechanic could be where you distract him with a show or something(since he could be like a couch potato") but once you take his eyes you can no longer distract him and he's more aggravated and alert
@@cinderella0contrellayou do have a point how roxy loves to brag about herself,but the funniest thing in the base game Faz Friends uploaded a video showing how roxy hunts the worst of all 3 even her eyes are put on considering she has upgraded eyes ,it is quite embarrassing from a competitive perspective
I think I have an interesting take on why the mimic creates so much volatile disgust in people, such as you and myself. (This is a random place to put this idea but this is your most recent video so I imagine I have the best chance of reaching you here.) My hypothesis is that the mimic essentially represents everything wrong with FNAF's storyline from the beginning. We have so many events that feel like they're "looping", identical events occur which "mimic" ones that we've already seen. We have characters, plot points and designs which all call back to the past but are just different enough that they're something... not quite new but, distinct? It makes things feel more and more tired over time. Anyway, the mimic is basically that made manifest in a literal way in universe. A being which can literally mimic anyone in whatever way is convenient for the plot, and can patch up plot inconsistencies which come to exist exclusively due to an intentional obtuseness by the developers. The thing is just a walking plot device, but worse, it is THE definitive walking plot device. The plot has been mimicking itself ad nauseum for years, and this feels like jumping the shark of sharks in that trend. It makes manifest this mimicking trend in universe in a literal way.
To me the mimic symbolizes a return to FNAF 4's looseness of plot, even moreso than Vanny. Anything can be retconned or cut at any moment so there's no point trying to theorize. It's been 10 years and we don't even have a name for major plot relevant characters. Every time we've gotten close to understanding stuff Scott starts making major rewrites to drag things out. The FNAF lore is just going to be a wild goose chase until the series fizzles out.
A) FELT the puppet one. i miss charlie so much. B) You’re kinda real with the fall fest 1970. Personally, I am HYPED, i want to go back and see the circus and everything, but your points also make me a little scared. I wish the Steel Wool era wasn’t a direct continuation, but more of an AU/rewrite of the series. It would just make more sense and have the fnaf6 ending actually mean something. And a rewrite would be fun! It would allow the franchise to fully delve into the sci-fi it is now but wasn’t originally. It’d… really just fix a lot, actually. And I can live in peace with the two storylines. (This accidentally became my own hot take, haha)
I know this is late, but I feel like I had a eureka moment that I had to share: I feel like sister location woulda benefitted more from the story format of security breach. It would allow us to actually establish more story and lore while developing the Afton families relationship. Crying child, Michael, and Elizabeth's relationship to William could've been explored more and we could get more time to allow Baby to establish her deceptive personality. And you can do a lot more visual storytelling of the evils that William was doing. Like what if Michael found the FNAF 4 room and saw the nightmare animatronics. What if we got more lore on the ghosts inside the Mediocre Melodies? Like theres a lot of ways that a bigger game woul've improved sister location.
If I’m not too late here’s a hot take that was sorta already talked about. The idea that Fnaf has become too kid friendly isn’t fully true to me (there’s things like the designs and creepy settings that do bring back old Fnaf feeling), but it is lacking slightly compared to other games like it. For comparison, Bendy has things like sacrifices and torture on creatures with Wilson and his experiments, characters being stabbed and killed in gruesome ways (looking at you Ink Demon, with your appetite for people), and some decently easy, yet creepy mutilation (projectionist beheaded, Audrey ripped from her legs, etc.) Even other games have had moments like this like Poppy, who had Mommy Long Legs crushed in a grinder, Dogday ripped in half and used like Michael and Ennard in SL, and whatever is going on with the Prototype. All of these are good ways to make a darker game, yet Fnaf hasn’t had that in a while (only things I can think of being the kill Vanny ending, the idea that we’re stuffed in Mask bot in HW2, and the animatronics being destroyed in SB slightly) If Fnaf wants to become truly scary again, I think it needs to implement things seen in the books, despite my best judgment as the books can be convoluted. I recently saw a thing for one of the Mimic stories where they discover it in the warehouse and rebuild it, then it attacks, and I generally haven’t been disturbed by something in this franchise for a while, with the depictions of organs being ripped apart and bone turning into dust with the blink of an eye. If Fnaf can bring something like this into the games, I think it could truly be scary again. Or just put it in the movie, that works too. Sorry for the long rant, this is just something I wanted to get all the info out for.
A little late to the party, but here's my two cents: Circus Baby's character was NOT assassinated in Pizzeria Simulator. I think a big reason why people assume this comes from a misunderstanding as to what being "put back together" means. In my interpretation of the franchise, it means having your spirit take full control over your animatronic body, of which there are several ways. The first of which is when you die with enough agony/loneliness/I haven't gotten that far in the books yet, which allows you to immediately become "aware" like Charlie and Cassidy were over the Puppet and Fredbear. The second is having your scattered memories reconstructed by an outside party like what happened to the crying child with Happiest Day (I think he speaks as himself through Nightmare Fredbear in UCN for the record), and the third has to do with the animatronic's AI. The reason why the withereds are fooled by the mask in FNAF 2 isn't because the spirits of the kids think you're just a suit, it's because the AI of the animatronic is overriding the animalistic instinct of the soul. Unless you are "aware", you are restricted to what your programming lets you do. Baby in Sister Location follows this rule as well. She wants nothing more than to escape the compound and is totally fine with killing who she thought was William because those are the desires of the robot. It's only when Mike physically removes the AI chip from inside of her in Night 5 that Elizabeth slowly starts to take over. By Pizza Sim, Baby's will is completely absent, and now what's left is Elizabeth who doesn't want to harm her father. She's literally not Baby anymore, that part of the robot is gone. If she kept up the act and tried to kill William after Mike put her back together, _that_ would be out of character, because SL Baby is the animatronic, and Pizza Sim Baby is Elizabeth. So I guess in a way Baby _was_ assasinated, but in a much more literal sense as her original AI no longer exists. Sorry for the long ramble, I just think it's worth defending what is often a heavily criticized character shift that I'm personally in support of. You make really great content, keep it up!
My hot take is that the people who said they have Mimic fatigue are being hypocrites since people said the same exact thing about Afton. How Afton is constantly re-used over and over again, and the explanations for why he keeps coming back is becoming absurd to the point where Glitchtrap being Afton also just breaks its own lore entirely. If we ignore the entire books and pretend they don't exist, Afton is supposed to be in Hell. That was what UCN was about. Afton trapped in his own personal Hell being tortured for eternity. But no, he comes back as a virus and wants to recreate his old corpse and boss some woman around to do his bidding. Why? Afton keeps coming back and his deaths become more and more pathetic to be point where he's becoming a big joke. He's no longer a threat, just someone who comes back, dies, comes back, dies, comes back, dies.
I think the biggest difference between Afton and the Mimic is that Afton was there from the start and ppl are used to his presence. The Mimic is relatively new and not as many ppl are cool with a new random character with no actual weight to the plot taking centre stage and snubbing all possible expansion ideas.
Oh boy here we go...here are my FNaF hot takes! 1.) To be honest, I personally like Gregory more than Cassie. Now before you (or I guess any Cassie super fans) get on my case, allow me to elaborate. While I can give Cassie credit for having personality and have her own quirks to her character, there's a line where I can't. To me, she feels like Steel Wool's belated response to criticism of Gregory having little to no personality, but in doing so, (at least for me) took away what she manages to accomplish in Ruin. Sure, she explores a ruined (baah dum deesh) PizzaPlex, possibly permanently deactivated Monty, and...I guess finding out the Mimic...existed? But other then that? She only accomplishes in falling for Mimic's Tomfoolery and getting herself trapped. But with Gregory? In my opinion at least...while he doesn't have much of a personality (I still blame the fans for the mass rushing of Steel Wool for rushing Security Breach's development, but thats just me), he makes up for what he manages to accomplish during Security Breach. I mean cmon, a 14 year old kid managed to survive six hours inside of a huge Pizza mall, with three killer robots meant to entertain kids all 10 times bigger then him, yet he managed to break them down and upgrade the only robot that wasn't out to whack him and even explored some hell hole with deranged robot staff bots and a serial killer in a skin tight fur suit. Seriously, that not a protagonist, that's a friggin' legend! But that may just be me liking results rather then the general character arc of said character. 2.) To be honest, I personally don't like that they made William and the Aftons British. I'm not against characters just being British, but I don't understand as to WHY they've made William British. It just never made sense to me. 3.) And finally and possibly my longest hot take, The Mimic SUCKS! I'm personally not a fan of copycat killers, well, not copycat killers as a concept, but when copycats are done so blatantly copied and pasted, it's not really an actual character, but just a previous character with a new coat of paint. For me, Mimic just feels like Afton only if Afton lost all part of whatever left was human about him, and is just ROBOT. Back onto the copycat topic, you CAN make a copycat killer WORK! Take for instance the Scream movies, with every character who becomes Ghostface being different then the last. (I won't spoil any of the movies for you if you hadn't watched any of them). Vanny could've been perfect for this, since Vanny could've been some true crime freak obessed with William's crimes and wanted to make her own twisted legacy or even just his legacy, but make her own. Like maybe instead targeting kids she goes after Security Guards or hunting for surviving 80s kids who were related to the original victims. But unfortunately no, we just got that hot pile of trash: Mimic. I apologize for the long comment, I just wanted to express my hot takes. Hope this gets on the next Hot Take video, take care!
Hot take: The Fnaf Community has gotten very toxic after Security Breach. Now I think you can make an argument that the community was toxic before 2021, but I'm not here to talk about that. Older Fnaf Fans have been/were saying that the newer Fans, "aren't real fans' ' or "not as good". As an older fan, it made me quite uncomfortable. When the fnaf movie was coming out, I would see memes about how the new fans would be so grossed out at the springlock scene and the old ones were "sO MaTuRe" and "those babies can't handle it". Tho these could have been just jokes, but jokes at the newer fans expense. Now to their credit I also did not like that SB was censored and kid friendly. Also Release of Fnaf Plus and the VHS tapes didn't help the situation either. I really hope this gets in the video, for me, and for this community.Thank you for listening and have a Fazeriffic day...
The thumbnail I can’t 😂 anyways great content as always and I’m curious what’s your next video? Anyways bye bye and here’s to perhaps a cooler rest of the summer 🐻❤️
I was going to do a solely Mimic one, but I suddenly had the idea to do one that involves Mimic, Vanny, and the Daycare Attendant. So, we'll see how it goes!
Hot take incoming! Scraptrap's concept is lackluster. Even if you fix the design problems, a beaten up william afton who is barely standing isn't that threatening, especially if you compare him to the killing machine that scrap baby is. Imo we should have gotten an upgraded version of scraptrap, a version of springtrap that got destroyed by the fire, and then patched his suit and upgraded his body with different animatronic parts (from across the first 5 games) to become an actual THREAT. His name would be stitchtrap due to the stitches on his body, his missing arm would be replaced with a dangerous tool that he could use to attack with like a foxy hook or a nightmare sharp claw ect, and he would basically be like a Frankenstein monster, just like how springtrap is like a zombie and scraptrap is like a walking skeleton.
19:30 I don't know if he ever did romance but was the book perhaps by Brian Jacques? He also wrote the Redwall series which is similarly infamous for very detailed mouth-watering descriptions of food
I have a hot take. I feel like Fall Fest 1970 is probably going to tie the daycare attended to some way because he's the popular character right now. You know, like some story that he was there from the beginning and probably unintentionally helping William Afton with his murders, and maybe having a plot twist that he was the first sentient animatronic before the Funtime.
Honestly, I'd prefer that over the Mimic because at least with him he's somewhat distinct from William. He's not copying him or infected by him (to the point of wearing a rabbit suit), he's just a very intense clown.
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 how much do I like the idea of a circus Thai restaurant on going back to the beginning of the story as long as they do something interesting with it from a different perspective that's not the five missing children incident I feel like they're going to do something very stupid with the daycare attendance in the future game
I don't know If you'll ever do one of these again but I'm kicking myself that I didn't come up with this one sooner. The music of fnaf is SERIOUSLY underated. Maybe because it can be pretty low key, but what is there is all incredibly varied while still feeling cohesive. Peices that induce dread like watch your 6 and venta black, pieces that carry a sense of mystery and exploration like caught in a loop, but my favorites are the simple piano heavy tracks that just lay the scene's emotion bare like the one that plays during fnaf 3's good ending and the one that plays during SL custom night's final cutscene. That last one's my personal favorite.
Heres one of mine: Recently I was watching a video on a mimic and I realized how absurd all this is. Like I can't think of any other series that does this. Its extremely weird how she games just don't completely connect, but its hand waved away because "oh this is fnaf and its supposed to be so complicated. If it were any other series it would be pretty unacceptable. (This is manly stemming from the mimic vs burntrap debate)
Hot take: I think a good way to tie in the mimic and make it feel less “forced” is if the mimic1 program was put inside springtrap when the fazbears freights people found him. Think about it, they probably assumed this old broken thing wouldn’t work at all, so they probably wrote something up to make it work again (not knowing that Afton was possessing it). This would explain why the obviously fake children’s laugh diversion works on Afton, the program of the machine is forcing him to follow the vocal cues. After Afton’s spirit is sent to UCN, all that’s left is the mimic program, which they scan into Help Wanted.
Just in case we do another video I’m throwing in my Take again: The story needs to be started back up from scratch with different diversions in the timeline. Mike gets bit instead, CC posses FunTimeFred, Elizabeth and Charlie survives to adulthood, Henry becomes the main Villain and gets SpringLocked in GoldenFreddy… So many possibilities if you just go back to the beginning and start anew completely.
(Hot-take below this) The person publicly admitting to not liking Sun when the DCA Sub-fandom is so ravenous, has some serious fazballs. Now my hot-take, which honestly might be kinda lukewarm- Eclipse should have been split into two. One could be more like the evil one we see in the arcade machine, perhaps “Solar” could have been how to differentiate it from the Eclipse that we got in ruin, which could have been “Lunar”. Solar could be a looming threat with Moon, maybe they could mess with the players tech and such since we originally see what could be them in an arcade machine, while Lunar would pair with Sun, acting like the Eclipse we have now. Maybe we could have eventually met a sprite of Solar, they could fully infect whatever tech we tried to use and the sprite would taunt us. (Would also be super cool if they had 4 arms, just because) And Lunar could have maybe tried to warn us about their *own* dark side, Solar, and maybe we could have gotten some kind of interaction between the two Eclipses. I also wouldn’t have minded if Eclipse had just been evil in general, no “Lunar” to counterbalance, just evil bastard Eclipse with a design closer to the Balloon World Eclipse, preferably still a sprite though. (TSAMS fandom this has nothing to do with us, do not misunderstand my words-)
I know I’m late to drop a take, but I just had to say it. I still love the Eclipse we got, don’t get me wrong, he’s such a pathetic wet cat- but I love villain characters more than I love innocent cinnamon roll characters =w= Imma also be putting this into every hot-take video after this to increase the odds of people seeing my concept TwT
My Take: I wish Vanny was the main villain of Security breach; and I hate the stupid secret twin twist. It’s obvious that that twist was added to screw with theorists. Considering the Vanny Meter that was going to be added. Where Officer Vanessa would disappear and Vanny would appear. I personally think Vanny is scarier than Burntrap. She gives me, ironically, kind of a Silent Hill feeling when I look at her, who here remembers the Silent Hill 3 Rabbit? And I think the game would be cooler: if when you shattered the Animatronics, they were actually out of the picture, and instead; Vanny became more frequent, maybe she starts trying new tactics like traps and ambushes. She isn’t a robot, she is a human capable of improvising, and the game should’ve capitalized on that. Burntrap honestly added nothing to the story for me, I don’t care if it is or isn’t the Mimic. I don’t care. A possessed/influenced follower of AI Afton was much more interesting, and I love her creepy design.
Hot take: After FNaF 3 Scott cant make a good villain. After fire in Fazbear Frights William, and Childrens souls that were finally free after decades of sadness and fear with just perfect ending. Then we get FNaF SL and Circus Baby...great charcater with actually awesome motives just to become an epispde villain...yeah, but hey! he comes back second time, just to say some "creepy" scenteces that dont even have sense in FFPS in game that supposed to be the last in this franchise, then he also somehow survive and his mind was scanned for some reason, I am not joking can someone tell me why the hell Fazbear Entertwinment went to burned Pizzeria just to scann burned to dust parts, really? You think its the last time you see purple guy, you know whats will be "funny" if he came back in form as a robot ( that we never heard about) as a Mimic, so know we have to forget about Vanny that could do his purpuse of main villain better with better story telling from HW1 tapes which gave us actual lore , but no ...I guess AI with voice changer is better even if We dont know anything about it, we dont know why he was even built (in game)
The whole “fnaf has gotten too kid friendly” is a really wild ride depending on who’s talking lol, but I completely agree with security breach, like, seriously? It seemed steel wool and Scott were terrified at even hinting at the darkness fnaf is known for, the word “blood” being censored is just bizarre, like you mentioned, multiple kids and teen franchises have blood dark topics and dead bodies so having them not even mention anything is weird, especially when in help wanted we hear about a guy slicing his own face off, I wonder if it had to do with how security breach as a game is, it’s a free roam open world (kinda) game its story is direct and face front while in other games we have newspaper articles and audio logs telling the story so they could slip in the dark stuff but with security breach they got a bit scared with how direct it is but that doesn’t really make sense with how other franchises do it and how weird SBs story is lol
17:32 As a wise man one said "while you're still sleeping the Saints are still weeping cuz things you call dead haven't yet had a chance to be born. I'm the scat man" (OMG this took me wya to long to understand. And I finally understood what she said until i typed it 😅)
As a monty fanboy, I can say that every monty simp doesn't know or care about his canon characterizations in the games idk what this means but it's just is
As another Monty fan I for some reason do. I’ll always see him as a chill Floridian Alligator as opposed to anything else just because of how common Alligators are found in Florida. It just makes sense to me.
THANK GOD FOR YOUR HOT TAKE AT THE END 😭 I absolutely agree!! The "fall fest" is stupid in my opinion. I would love to know more details about the MCI but at the same time the mystery behind it is what makes it so fun!! Instead of a fall fest why can't we have a canon Fredbear's Family Diner game? Like another POV of the bite of 83? Anyways~ here are some hot takes if you ever decide to make another one of these videos! I absolutely hate Help Wanted 2's design for Ennard. He was my favorite character and I'm so so disappointed and also angry. Don't get me wrong, I wasn't too fond of Mr. Play-Doh either but at least he was accurate. Like, why the hell does Ennard have a second eye in the mask. In the original model he was missing one. Also his forehead is horrifically huge on the cameras during the private room level. Honestly, he kind of looks like Caillou. Look at a photo of original Ennard then look at Help Wanted 2 Ennard. HW2's isn't even shiny or anything!! He honestly still looks like play doh!! He definitely isn't the shiny toy plastic and/or metal as intended. Speaking of which the mask is just off entirely. His mouth is too far down. It makes him look like he has a heavy under bite. Looking at photos of original Ennard you can see that his bottom "teeth" are much less hidden as compared to this new model. I think the goofy-ness of this model can be highlighted in his jumpscare. I mean, just look at that forehead man... What the hell 😭😭 Speaking of abnormally long foreheads.. I have this same issue with Glamrock Bonnie. I see a lot of people hating on the design and I gotta say I have to agree. His face is just so ... ugly. His front teeth are way way too pointy. Same with his mussel (I'm not sure what else to call it). If he had a rounder mussel and teeth similar to those of Toy Bonnie he would look ADORABLE (also a shorter forehead lol)!! I also really want them to take Security Breach off the shelves. Like honestly. If they just remade Security breach fnaf would be saved 😭😭 If we had Vanny as an actual villain then we wouldn't need all this mimic bull crap to make up for Afton. Help Wanted actually had a pretty solid idea of having the Afton virus or whatever control people. I actually kinda digged that and I want it back 😭 I would honestly do anything for a security breach remake or at least a polished demo version of the game before they changed the plot and everything (specifically before they changed Vanessa's character). I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Vanessa in the game and movie were supposed to be similar if not the same but of course they had to change it 😮💨😒
A fnaf hot takes video on my birthday this is a summer miracle
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@@notrealnamenotatall2476 thank you
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I think Monty would’ve been better if he had been a drummer. Not just because I don’t think it makes sense that there isn’t one in the Glamrock band, but because it would work with his anger issues.
That is genius. Totally fits his strength and physical aggression, too.
That’s not a hot take, that’s just a change that makes sense
same reason my brawler isn't the drummer of my cast: he'd break the drums
Part of his anger could even be from limitations in how hard he can even drum
Oh wait its Fazbear Entertainment... there are no limitations.
Still be INFINITELY cooler. Even have an implicit/accidental energizer bunny reference since he replaced bonnie
Imagine: his green room has burst drums stacked like barrels or cakes, maybe other objects smashed in too. Sticks laying about yes maybe even a joke about chica (drumsticks as a food are often referring to chicken or turkey) to build a rivalry
the problem with the indie developer plot is:
its a excuse to bad writting on the series, if the story doesn't make sense, so "its all exagerration from a lunatic"
as if the games aren't fainthful to the real events on universe
Lol that's so true, i feel that Scott will use the "indie developer plot"to delete Afton of the lore
Agreed
I find it funny how people still believe that FNAF 1-UCN were retconned to be just in universe games, when it's very clear that they still happened.
I mean it was a soft reboot to diferanciate Scots games and Steel Wools games, the events still happened, William Afton is a murderer and is suffering in a hell
@@docrilas See, that could have been a solid idea to set things back to kids having disappeared but no one is quite sure who done it, or the killer was known but not a major part of the rest of Fazbear's fall.
But whoever did the story writing couldn't help themselves and Malhare and Burntrap happened, implying that William Afton is or was still a character in play. It feels like no one bothered deciding what happened or how much of the older games they really wanted to keep.
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Vanny's design actually accomplishes a lot! It manages to make you feel gross about the in and out-of-universe reasons for her design at the same time!
I find it interesting in that she sawned together her own costume, there is the entire "brainwashed" angle or even the angle of her idolising the murderer or murders. There is a lot of intereasting ideas and maybe behaviur
I genuinely find her design quite frightening, esp with her carefree skipping (cutscenes, not gameplay)- it reminded me of Glitchtrap, who had the absolute scariest design the series ever got imo. I was freaked out and upset by the mini-games but Afton’s pixel sprite became a meme too quickly for me to take seriously
@@tobysinbadit’s the eyes and the lifeless grin
They had the concept. What we got on game should’ve been a rough draft. And if it was a rough draft it would be pretty good. For a rough draft!
As a Monty fan I can confirm we are all completely delusional lmao
I think it's the sex appeal. Monty seems like he's more sexualized than Roxanne, Chica and Vanny combined. I'm not complaining, though.
@@SuperMonaLisaBros People looooove big lizard men
@@SuperMonaLisaBrosopening this comment to see the reply and get JUMPSCARED with ‘Its more the sex appeal’ lmfaoo
@@SSMp315 OMG I'm sorry! 🤣
@@SuperMonaLisaBros No no, font apologize! Its one of the highlights of my day
describing someone as "plain white sauce" is so genuinely funny I had to do a triple take just to make sure I wasn't going crazy
It'll make your teeth go gray! Doo doo doo doo~
Can't wait to eat the John Pizza at my local Italian place.
what's that, a tasty snack? you don't wanna go and eat a snack like that!
you guys sound insane. I love it
@@thebeetleball Greedy to eat all that. You'll end with your teeth all gray!
My hot take is that this is the coldest Hot Take video you've done yet. So many of these takes are pretty common, especially on Freddit like: "the lore is too complicated, I hate the fandom, the books ruined the franchise, I hate the Mimic, the franchise is too kid-friendly now" etc. Not saying you're not allowed to have these opinions about FNAF but I see so many of these takes recycled bi-weekly on popular forums and online spaces that I've become numb to them. It's currently 102 degrees outside and this video feels like a chilled drink in comparison, though your comment about the potential Fall Fest game was absolutely the hottest one. Glad the video ended on that.
Even the Monty take was fairly cold, hating Monty is pretty popular
Hard Agreed! These takes are what you would see on a daily. Only,”Hottest,” one here is the fallfest one. Which came from NotReal sooooo..
If anything, we need to fight back by posting the actual hot takes; anything remotely positive. Any fanbase online loves to criticize as much as possible, so the best way to be refreshing is to actually support something rather than destroy it.
Probably because this just became a "voice your biggest gripes with fnaf"
@@Poseidon4862.No.
My fnaf hot take, is that we need more quiet emotional moments. Unless I’m forgetting some, we really haven’t got any of these since Sister location. Sure, Security Breach has its sad moments, like Freddy being torn apart by the Staff bots, or even in Ruin, when Cassie “shuts off” Roxy, but none of these have really stuck, because it feels kinda forced. Like someone in the audience is holding a “cry now!” Sign or whatever. None of these, no matter how sad, have really stuck with me, because they just don’t hit as hard as some of the older games did. One of my favorite examples, is the bad ending in FNaF 3. Seeing the animatronics masks on the floor, realizing they were still alive, still suffering in there, and the cherry on top? The music, oh god the music! It tops of this scene as a truly sad moment, one where no words need to be spoken. Another example is in FNaF 4, where you hear the crying child’s heartbeat monitor flatline. Just hearing it, and right after seeing Micheal(?) stuff his brothers head into Fredbear, it just hurts. Hearing this poor child’s life end, all because his older brother is a jerk. Again, no words need to be said. And last, a moment that’s a bit different, is in Sister location. It’s the time when Circus Baby tells you how she killed Elizabeth. Just sitting under the desk, hearing a robot tell you how she murdered a little girl, all while she plays it cool. Granted, Baby does sound genuinely sad or remorseful, but you have to wonder, how much of that is her act? How much does she truly care?
the frantic hopes for marionette to be important are truly felt
Because up untill the end of Fnaf 6 (pizza sim) the Marionette was important
@@theprinceofawesomeness I need this shouted in the ears of the next FNAF game dev please 🤣
Spooky noodle friend needs to be important
i resonate deeply
Replace marionette with any character but burntrap and this would still hit
Hello! I made that Jimmy Neutron as Scraptrap model! It was back in 2017 just after pizza sim dropped
Nice, thank you
You saved fnaf there
you deserve an award
nice work , that shit was very funny
Maybe not an entirely hot take, but probably an extreme one:
The lack of confirmed information and defined definition between the “canonicity” of sources will kill this franchise if not eventually addressed .
Imagine you’re building a card tower, and the bottom level of cards is confirmed information. Currently we are several layers up, with only a handful of cards on the bottom. If not addressed this franchise will collapse in on itself without some cards added to the bottom for stability. We *need* more information that is solidly confirmed or it will toppled down into a pile of speculation, logical leaps, and disagreements. Additionally, the current state allows retcons easily which will simply knock down out tower with no way to notice the differences as we have nothing firm.
If we want this franchise to last, we need to have some things decidedly solved so we can move onto the next mystery. Like, just give us a definitive answer and explanation of the first 6 games+UCN so we can continue forward.
Bonus Hot take: so much of post SB Fnaf feels like disney star wars, namely in the story beat retreads. Especially with the mimc. A lot of Disney Star Wars is retreading ideas and plots from Legends, and a lot of the post SB/HW fnaf feels similar to me.
I think the biggest offender of this (other than the fact that Cassidy might not even EXIST) is the whole fnaf 1-3ish being canon deal
Yea, they don't need to say X is how it actually is but like strong hints and conections as well as evidence in game would be better, but we only gain soft and circumstantial evidence so much that nothing seem to be true, we need more hard facts confirmed
This is a hot take?? This just makes sense to me lmao
@@theprinceofawesomeness I'd argue that they do need to say that X is how it actually is for a bunch of things. Like take the rogue indie developer thing, with that we need a solid framework for what it takes out of play from the first four (five?) games. It would be nice to have a better breakdown of the various versions of the setting, with TSE trilogy, Fazbear Frights, Tales From the Pizzaplex, the movies, and the games themselves each having seemingly wildly different versions of events in places, but all seeming to inform each other.
It becomes frustrating when everything we get seems like it could lead to at least a couple different options and there's a million threads just sort of floating out there waiting to be either worked in or snipped off
The whole game franchise should be rebooted in such a way that both the serial killer of the first 3 games and William Afton the mad scientist can coexist without needing to be the same person. What I mean is that the Bite, the MCI, and the killer being springtrapped should all happen before William and Michael show up. And as far as Charlie is concerned, I'd probably just have her death be a tragic accident, like she was hit by a car outside. That was my theory for the longest time and would explain a lot that has to otherwise be explained with contrivance.
"Chill hottakes to relax and do your homework to"
@@crimson1194 Stressful hate induced rants to do all-nighters to.
People like Monty because he's hot. It's that simple.
real
Reeeeal
I’m the odd one out then. I just think his design is cool
i mean thats a generalization but at the same time youre not wrong
Thank you, I was looking for this exact comment.
"I am tired of all the wacky theories. I wish Scott would just give us some answers."
FromSoft fans: First time?
I feel that the books shouldn't be a thing anymore, since I feel that they are just adding useless facts that are nothing, and even without that, the books themselves are either just confusing or bad stories, or being rip-offs / knock-offs like the Fazbear Frights book just being Goosebumps but for FNAF fans
The only books I would accept are the ones based on in-universe content, like cooking books or mini-comics based on characters, stuff like that, but of course, with no secrets or hints
@@chicofnaf7114 I agree with this so much
They should never have been a thing
I heavily disagree.
Too bad security breach seem to be ever more conectee to the books than what the pre steel wool games ever were meant to be
@@theprinceofawesomeness Yeah, especially with the inclusion of The Mimic, I hate that thing exists
4:54 the funniest part is that in an earlier storyboard monty was supposed to cling onto the bucket out of rage or smth and that (plus the weight of the balls gregory shot in it) would have caused the buckets support cable things to snap and to fall
That actually makes more sense why his spine got shattered in half.
Sounds cool, but what's your source for that? This is the first time I've heard of that.
@@syweb2I think it was in a leaked beta build. I think I remember Spiff going through it and seeing all the cutscenes in drawn storyboards
@@syweb2”erm, sounds cool but imma need the source cause I don’t believe you 🤓”
Add it to the looooooong list of cancelled things in security breach that for some reason GO UNFIXED TO THIS DAY, all the deleted things potentially ruining the franchise because we still don’t know what happened in security breach.
The word "prototype" being retconned onto Freddy's foot in Ruin was a serious breaking point for me with this franchise. It's a tiny, insignificant detail that could've (and really should've) been left alone. But no. That one detail sent all the theorists into panic mode, trying to figure out who this "new" Freddy is, what happened to our Freddy, and whether or not our Freddy really is our Freddy at all.
I think we all just concluded that our Freddy is with Gregory now, and the "prototype" Freddy is either the original Freddy's remaining body or a replacement that somehow got damaged the same exact ways as the original. Either way, what was the point? That one tiny, insignificant detail that could've (and I can't stress this enough, REALLY SHOULD HAVE) been left alone, made everyone collectively run around in circles only to arrive at the exact same place that we started. Why? Can we not just have a straightforward answer for once in this franchise?
It's baffling that even though the Saving Ending is pretty much confirmed and that Freddy lost his head in that ending, that one word has spawned a completely second Freddy who also lost his head and was damaged in the same way despite the fact Vanessa said there wasn't a second Freddy casing. XD And now since it has a wikia page, it's pretty much concreted in even if that wasn't the intention. And we'll probably never get clarification from Steel Wool, lol.
The answer is easy. Everybody wants to be the next big star in the fandom for uncovering a hidden lore detail that may or may not have been a thing.
1983 was obviously just showing us a cartoon from years prior airing as a rerun yet people acted dumb and thought there was another bite. Now Scott and whomever else he works with ran with the idea and now say there's been 2 bites.
History is repeating itself. It was clear as day the prototype tattoo was just a retconned design element we're supposed to now view being on freddy's foot in security breach. But now once again Scott and his coworkers are using the fans greed for knowledge and fame and pretending there's 2 freddy's.
I can't wait to see what this fandbase tries to make a big deal next. Gregory and cassy might be made foster sibs and the fans will think they're actually blood related lol
I like monty for two simple reasons. First off, he's simple to understand. No sorrow for him, no big twist (we suspected him from the start for bonnie's murder), and no complexity. Just kill.
Second is Giga Monty, because he PROVES that Steel wool can make the animatronics actually threatening in SB, but by accident. Plus spawning an armada of simple minded killing machines is amazing to me.
The Monty take really doesn't sit with me right. Monty had a lot of interesting potential but he was continuously shafted by Steel Wool for no reason. People liked him because he was a new animal, the only Alligator or any type of lizard in FNAF! He's cool and seemed to have a laid back and relaxed personality. People are allowed to like him based off his design, and it's not their fault that Steel Wool literally refused to write him properly, or even at all. In Ruin his whole existence there is just about how he replaced Bonnie and what happened with Bonnie. He doesn't even SPEAK there either. And then he just randomly dies later in game. How is that fair? I used to be a Monty fan but I gave up because the only reason he exists is to be villainized. And he most likely won't ever be seen again. In a few years we're gonna look back on Monty as the most blatantly ignored character in the entire series.
Wasted potential is always an ongoing thing in this series
But Scam Wool takes that to a whole new level
THREE TIMES IN A ROW
Vanny, the blob, and the mimic
I get that the mimic and the blob still have potential but the Blob could have been used more in RUIN but it didn’t
As for the mimic, it wasn’t actually scary
Also he hangs out on the catwalks to run away from his responsibilities as a bassist, so it's hinted that he doesn't even like being part of the band. Monty isolating himself resonates with me.
I think that is another good point, The game framing him as the almost chill one for in universe art and then him being crazy aggressive was already a big spot for potential character building, but, it never went further.
I'm still never over that he just, dies. like I get it, Cassie doesn't wanna try helping something THAT dangerous but like, you can help Chica, interact ith Roxy, but Monty just...dies.
I also hate that Monty doesn't appear in help wanted 2. I've seen some people argue that he isnt in the game because he died, but the game takes place between security breach and Ruin. He should still be alive. I really hope he at least gets to appear in a future dlc
Yeah, it was unique to finally have a reptile in the series. Reptiles always looked cool to me and I felt like he had the makings to be a true fan favorite, he already looks very marketable imo, but he just hasn’t been given the chance yet for some reason. I was very disappointed to hear that he was “too far gone” I’m hoping that gets taken back and he gets more development in the future.
Hot take: the only reason people say fnaf 6 should’ve been the true end or fnaf 6 wrapped everything up nicely is only because of Henry’s sap speech at the end. It doesn’t tie up every loose end and it doesn’t answer most of what the community wanted to know. Who are the shadow animatronics, who are the extra set of dead kids in fnaf 2 and the who really were the missing kids as people. There is so much missed potential with all these and other mysteries that could be explored but since there’s a big speech that gave me the tingles it’s the perfect ending to fnafs story. The lore now may be messy but at least it hasn’t abruptly ended and there is a chance some questions in the older games could be answered.
If the fnaf 2 animatronics were possessed, I feel like they (the names of those kids) would've been revealed a long time ago. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the only animatronics that are possessed are: Freddy, Bonnie, Chica, Foxy, Golden Freddy, Puppet, Circus baby, Spring trap and that one map bot. I've heard a theory that the shadow animatronics were once janitors but idk about that. I don't think were ever going to get anything showing what the 5 kids were like.
@@Forgottensnapdragon the fnaf 2 mini games (specifically the save them minigame) has shown many sets of dead bodies in the fnaf 2 location. Idk if the set of kids in save them and in foxy go go go are meant to be the same 5 but there has been many deaths at Freddy’s.
@@Forgottensnapdragon iirc the funtimes are also semi-haunted by the original MCI kids. remnant or smth. i'm also under the impression that the toy animatronics aren't haunted/possessed, but that their software got fked up. i think the save them minigame just shows another set of murders william did. that or fnaf2 is just... lightly brushed out the timeline/canon lol
I think the missing children incident took place at FNAF 2 and not a different place and FNAF 2 had another incident. It makes sense because the other mystery the first game had, the bite of 87, also took place there. If there was another incident where there were 10 children missing instead of 5, they would have mentioned it by now, or at least at all, but they didn't.
@@greggoleggo9160I think the Foxy minigames were just to showcase that it was the mysterious purple man who was behind the missing children's incident and not a real showcase of it happening, so it probably was the same situation as the puppet minigame.
Monty is just a dope ass giant badass gator man. i think he just got done dirty but literally getting nothing.
While I am sorta interested in fall fest, I'm definitely not fully invested like most of the community is, mainly because a fall fest existing before fredbears just makes fredbears feel less important imo, I always viewed Fredbears as the small humble diner started by 2 close friends with good intentions that results in all of the big messes that come after the bite. Having it actually begin at a grand circus just feels shoehorned in out of nowhere, it makes the bite of 83 feel less important because I bet the fall fest is gonna have some tragedy and thats what makes Afton start killing rather than the bite
I mean it still happened before everything so unless he kills someone it was just one thing added to the rest otherwise he would have been a killer long before the mci
I feel fallfest only has possibilities to show precursors to fazbear or something of the sort like how concepts of other characters came to be
Either way theres like nothing actually goin on or possibilities to occur within it
@@zabianreubens4989 I do see it being burned at the end
@@lightdarksoul2097 Origin of the jacko animatronics frfr
I'm likely autistic and FNAF is the hyperfixation for me. As a result,I find it very easy to recall information on this franchise. It's difficult for me to understand why people don't like it. But I also acknowledge that I love the puzzle and other people definitely aren't gonna click with that
Edit: Tape Girl technically says that everything that happened in the first 6 games was canon,people always leave that part out.
Yes, but here is the big rub on that: One was it one to one, if so how the hell does he know? Two, did he add anything to the story of his own volition that could and would alter the scenario that actually happened? Three, while we know it is a joke at Scott, the problem is well, in universe who is this guy? Four, why even make the plot point relevant and not just a joke they make clear was just a joke, because of the fact that with the books in tow oh boy does the logic just bounce inside a butchered drying machine.
@@fcoonjj4844 I agree on all those points
My problem with FNAF is that to me it's less like one cohesive puzzle with a difficult solution, and more like someone took 5 seperate puzzles, mixed all the pieces together, removed half of them, and then asked you to make a single coherent picture 😂
@@Lisa_Flowers Fair but there's something about that that I just absolutely love
i 100% relate to this. im autistic and the whole puzzle thing is the biggest appeal to me. i feel like I get into franchises that are super convultuted or where you could spend years on dissecting every part of it haha. the franchise might not be the greatest story in the world but I don't think I could stop now considering its been 10 years 😅
5:22 i think the giga monty meme is why most like him similar to glam freddy being a dad and that being a reason people like him
My only issue with the Mimic is that it wasn't introduced into the games better. Sure, for those who read the books and liked it, it was a hype reveal in RUIN, but I can imagine that a lot of people who never read the book were probably thinking "Who tf is this weird ass endoskeleton." And I hope it's story is also explained in the games eventually, and any new reveals about it are in the games first, because I think the books work best when they're expanding apon a reveal from the games, like The Fourth Closet and the Stitchwraith epilogues did with remnant.
I love the mimic but I agree, It was NOT built up well in the games.
@@pokemonultraz1262 I love the Mimic too.
this is the best fnaf thumbnail I've ever seen
As we all know, every animatronic is actually Jimmy Neutron
The reason why we came and a reason to bully Scraptrap
Thank you. It really speaks to me, and most of it is memes. XD
I must drop everything for this video
Are we the same person?
I'm finding myself agreeing with so many of these points
My take is that the rant at 3:01 about how people liking Monty is "insane" is so.... ???? It's hard to describe. All the points are strange to me. Like "he's literally just the brute character!" sometimes people like brute characters. I don't get how that's so incomprehensible. You may not like them, that's fine. But how is "i like the goofy dumb mean angry guy" so hard to understand? And don't even get me started on the "there's potential there, BUT it's untapped potential at best", as if the potential being untapped is a reason against liking him. I don't know, maybe I'm just too much of a "all my favorite characters are background characters" warrior. I don't even care for Monty myself, but I can still understand why some WOULD like him.
Also "how can you like something that's so underutilized???" is such a funny thing to say on the channel of someone whose favorite character is the puppet. Lol. Lmao even.
That person also seems vaguely racist.
Jk
Yeah that whole comment just reads as someone who doesn’t like Monty being weirdly bitter and trying to rationalize why everyone who likes him is some dumb idiot who has terrible taste lmao
Like I can’t stand sun and moon, I was actually upset at how much attention they got in HW2 but I don’t write entire rant essays about how I think people shouldn’t like them for reasons X, Y, and Z. People are allowed to like characters for whatever reason they want, even if it’s something as shallow as “I just like his vibe”. It’s not fans fault that Monty gets no attention and it’s just so silly to get so heated over something as simple as personal taste.
Also that person saying that Vanny is the definition of being underused and understanding why ppl like her but not understanding why ppl like Monty when he's ALSO underused 😭 some serious cognitive dissonance there
In regards to the monty hot take, why isn't it enough for us to like a character without depth? It doesn't make them any less of a character or less worth being enjoyed. His design is imo the objective best of the band, he has more personality shown in his depictions of his back story and his actual behaviour in game then glam rock chica.
Why does he have to have heaps of depth to be peoples favourite?
Stuff like that really urks me, the hot take isn't monty is wasted potential (because everyone knows that), it's that it's weird to like him, like he's not even my favourite, that's freddy but still...
Last thing, I don't think it was ever meant to be that monty destroyed Bonnie (or at least not before being tampered with) until the fans went absolutely wild for the theory, ruin is already just fanservice so I wouldn't put it past them.
This! I don't think people need a deep reason to like a character
Some people like to defend him and pretend he's a perfect little angel that was framed. There's comments on this video saying he's not just some angry meathead. The annoying part isn't that people like Monty for who he is, but for some fan fiction they make up in their heads about him that they will defend to the death as canon.
RUIN absolutely is fanservice. To this day I still think Chica should have gotten the role as guardian.
@@carmandirda see I would say that's valid but, that's literally how it is for every single character in fnaf that's liked?
Except for glam freddy, roxy, baby and ig vanny, the characters have less then what monty has going for him.
It's weird to feel so strongly about fans having a headcanon when that's all fnaf has for it's fan base is all imo
@@carmandirda I'm a Monty fan and it's not that I only like my own version/headcanon of Monty, I think there's just more to him than meets the eye, I really think Monty is a good person, Just misunderstood, But we won't know until it's confirmed, I'll still love him even if he is evil.
I like how Monty in Ruin is just the angry feral gator man. He has the same appeal as a rabid chihuahua. He's cute in a “He thinks he's intimidating when he's not,” kind of way. There's no thoughts but angy.
hot take: I like that we're potentially getting Charlie(bot) back. She never got a good storyline imo, and was used as a plot device for a lot of the story she's in. A vengeful Charlie(bot) taking over the Pizzaplex and getting revenge on Afton to some degree would be fantastic to see, even still.
I like Monty not due to his character, design, or even his gameplay. I like him cause funny gator does big jump, funny gator cannot notice me when I sit in the water 2 ft. from his face, funny gator can't catch me when I walk in the first chase. All in all he fucking sucks, that's why he's awesome. Same with berdly from deltarune, they are sooo bad that it loops around to becoming sort of adorable. Like a toddler who sucks at playing hide-and-seek.
This is a hot take I have had for awhile. I don't believe Monty killed Bonnie, I don't think anyone killed Bonnie. I know that sounds weird but let me explain. Bonnie's mystery feels like steelwool or who evers at the top just threw stuff together in security breach and had no clue who actually killed Bonnie. Bonnie's mystery felt like a red heiring to distract from security breach issues. My main reason for believing this is because most of the evidence comes from ruin/Bonnie's corpse. It feels like the only good evidence people had for Monty killing Bonnie because of his anger issues and he's jelly of Freddy. But if Monty was jealous of Freddy why would he kill Bonnie? Couldn't be just kill Freddy if he wanted to be a star? Both of Monty is innocent and Monty is guilty have massive plot holes that people ignore for closer. I also want to get it out of the way, we know nothing about Bonnie's personality so all we could know he could have been an asshole and who ever dealt him in was just defending themselves but that's the issue WE DON'T KNOW! And don't use Freddy as an excuse to show Bonnie was a sweet heart. Freddy clearly cared about his friends even Roxy, one of the most awful characters in security breach. Im talking about actions not character personality. We don't know who killed Bonnie because not even FNAF knows who kills Bonnie. I also do want to hear about the message bag, that message was poorly written and only tells us that Bonnie existed. Bonnie is a non existent character and Monty is an under developed character. Also ruin just saw the theories around Monty and went "we dont have to make a killer because the fans made a killer" and then just add to the theory thinking they were smart. I'm not trying to hate on anyone but God Bonnie does not matter at all. Sorry if it should like I hate everyone that believes Monty killed Bonnie or the people at steelwool. Sorry this is terrible, I just suck at writing out my thoughts
Another thing to add is that Monty was skipping performances and hanging around on the catwalks brooding, why? This was something that Monty wanted enough to destroy Bonnie and yet he doesn't seem happy. Also destroying his greenroom.
One last thing, this time about Roxy. She wasn't really an awful person as shown in Ruin.
@@prufan I know Roxy was shown to be a good person in ruin but I was talking about security breach where she was a awful person? Robot? I still liked her character she was just an ahole in security breach. And thank you for the extra evidence 😁
Yeah, even if SteelWool has decided who killed Bonnie NOW, I don’t think they had decided when they were making SB at all. The evidence only ever points towards Monty, but none of it is anywhere near conclusive. It’s so, so clear to me that they wanted to highlight Monty as the suspect and then be able to go back and decide later whether he actually did it or if he was just framed.
I think an interesting twist would be that it was all self-inflicted. Maybe he spends all that time in the catwalks thinking about the last things Bonnie said to him like joining the band before finding him in Bonnie Bowl. Maybe Fazbear Entertainment either didn’t know or didn’t want the truth to be revealed so they framed Monty for it and came up with a somewhat fabricated origin story that left out the big part. I still think there’s little enough evidence to make that a possibility.
One of the main actual problems in the fandom is the amount of confidence some people have and the resulting vitriol when others don’t agree with their “obvious” interpretation. I personally cannot imagine a single theory that anyone could possibly suggest that would invoke any amount of anger or even annoyance. At worst I’d get a giggle out of a wacky one. And yet people get soooo mad when someone disagrees with their take on MimicTrap or TalesGames etc as if the other person must be trolling. Like I understand getting attached to theories or even thinking they are the most likely explanation, but outside of like four or five things in the games, we don’t actually know almost anything! The fact that people can speak with so much confidence on almost any debated aspect of this franchise is insane to me. Things like whether or not the books being “directly connected to the games” means they are in the same canon or the fact that Burntrap was (probably) not the canon ending means he didn’t exist or even the “two” lights in golden freddy’s eyes in the FNaF 3, even if you have pretty good ideas of what the answers are for all of those cases, how can you not admit and accept that they are (at LEAST) pretty confusing. Those are really the main times that the fandom is toxic, making something out to be obvious as though most things in this franchise aren’t open to a lot of interpretation, and then getting really defensive about it.
I think this game franchise has been going on for such a long time now that it's just kind of assumed that more popular theories or interpretations are THE correct ones. And that's just unfortunately the natural consequence of it also being a franchise where people need ground to stand on but SO little is confirmed that they make it (out of theories). It can be a bit depressing to think that almost everything is up in the air and almost nothing is properly nailed down, it makes it hard to really theorise especially now that this story is into it's like 10th game and the lore from the first THREE games still isn't properly confirmed. It's like trying to build a house without a solid foundation. There _is_ no solid foundation so people feel like they have to make one by 'canonising' or treating as Canon things that really aren't Canon, just widely accepted. And when someone questions that or has a different interpretation of stuff they treat as foundational to lot of their theorising, everything comes tumbling down. Doesn't justify toxicity as it is JUST a game lol but it is partially a direct result of how the lore in this franchise exists.
@@Lisa_Flowers yeah I agree completely
Yeah, I did a double-take when I watched the Dual Process Theory video, and they pointed out how just how much "confirmed" information is just things the fandom made up and accepted as gospel. I didn't agree with all of their conclusions but I think the video is a very valuable one to watch just for that point alone.
0:56 FALLS ON THE FLOOR IN DESPAIR
For me personally, Monty is one of my favorites because he's just kind of silly to me. I don't think he's innocent or anything, just silly. He's a jerk and he sucks, but I think he's dumb. I don't think I'd normally like a character like that because there's nothing building on it, but after the glitch where you can get a bunch of him and his design are probably what makes me like him. Also, I like the design of his golf course. I can understand why people don't like him though.
How like these are just theory’s
Monty is personally my favorite, because I enjoy being able to characterize him and imagine a story for him! It reminds me of the early FNAF days, when characters were being given personalities based on their physical appearance and mechanics alone (not that it was all good, but it's nostalgic)
I also love that he's an alligator and that he has a southern accent, his general design is unique to me! He was very underused, which is sad and unfortunately I don't think he'll be back:(
I think that Monty's fatal flaw could've been ignorance instead of rage, seeing as Roxy fits rage a bit better, at least in her death. Also, Monty murdering Bonnie isn't necessarily a waste of potential. With security breach giving the characters more personality than ever, making them practically humans, Imo it was cool to see that the animatronics could have arguments and grudges against each other. And shows that Monty must not have been on safe mode like Freddy was. So that in itself raises the question of why he wasn't on safe mode to begin with. idk, I definitely think that they could've done sooo much more with him. But I don't think that he's a waste of potential entirely
I like the idea that Monty was the first animatronic to get hacked by Vanny and thus got way more time to go off the deep end than the rest. He was probably still jealous to begin with, but I don't get the feeling that any of the animatronics could have hurt each other without Vanny's interference
@@KoruChaos yes exactly!! The idea of him slowly drifting from the others is super appealing to me and I think it would help his story :D also agree with the vanny having to interfere, if they would clarify that it wasn't Monty's malicious intent and instead vanny's influence that made him kill bonny then he would be a much more sympathetic character
Monty is liked BECAUSE he is basicly a blank slate, you'd be surprised how many favorite characters are favorites because traits can be assumed without major pushback from the facts
Basically the human characters in this franchise. I liked Michael because of my headcannon
That’s how Sun and Moon gained popularity👍
Yeah Monty doesn’t have much actual character in the game truly so a lot of the fans fill in the gaps and why many people may like how a specific person may see Monty
The only reason Monty is one of my favorite Glamrocks is because I can do his voice. Being able to replicate a voice makes me like the character more. For example: My favorite animatronics in FNaF are Molten Freddy and Funtime Freddy which I can do their voice(s?)
I don't mind the rogue indie developer plot point because literally everything fazbear entertainment is saying is meant to gaslight people in world about what actually happened with Freddy's.
But we as real people are playing "the real" events of the FNAF storyline, I don't think we're actually meant to take anything straight from the mouths of fazbear Incorporated as straightforward fact. That's just meant to be in world reasoning for why people aren't so hung up about all the fucked-up shit at the Freddy's locations. Because they've been fooled into thinking it's all some big elaborate marketing ploy to garner more twisted interest in the franchise.
Agreed; isn't it even addressed by Tape Girl that Fazbear Entertainment basically hired the indie developer to take the fall for them so they could come back into the picture? That's not even a later-game explanation, that was coming from the same game. Not saying that they *couldn't use it to retcon significant points, and some could argue that they might have already, but I'm in agreement with RyeToast on this matter: basically that they're trying to say "Hey, these games were made years ago and we all know the story's a mess, we're going to try to fix it, if we say something in these newer games that contradicts the old ones (or at least the widely accepted fan interpretation) then trust the newer info."
@@SpikyEaredPichu96 A few logical problems, there are victims who actually suffered then thus meaning people whom likely would and have sued the snot out of the company for A: death and or dismemberment of a family member B: literal Arson C: straight up kidnapping/ suspicion of of entrapment while that last one is not technically a legal point, it would be important. Also D: and this one while they could point at the indie dev for this, they still paid for it and let it go out so yes they would take heat for it, DEFIMATION of a VICTIM of their franchise. No matter how you twist it, if Six Flags made a game about a horrific accident that happened on their rollercoasters, it would not look to good, infact that would make their stock catch fire under any logical scrutiny in bare minimum the public eye. Y'know, the people you want to actually come to your diner in the first place.
@@fcoonjj4844 You make several good points. The only thing I really have to point out is that from what I remember of Tape Girl's audio, it sounded like the fact that the indie dev was hired wasn't common/public knowledge? Fazbear Entertainment framed it as this one sick weirdo deciding to make light of tragedy, which had the 'unintended' side effect of bringing awareness back to the brand, so it could be the 'indie dev' was paid discretely and wasn't expecting to be thrown under the bus. And at this point, even if they have proof, Faz Ent has enough money to hire a lawyer good enough to try and make said proof look fake. They could even make themselves look like heroes by apologizing to the victims' families for the actions of an "unaffiliated" third party. And then, y'know, releasing new games about it, because we all know by now that Faz Ent is still not a smart company.
@@fcoonjj4844 Forgot to mention, we canonically play as a playtester in HW; most likely Tape Girl's audio never made it to the final product, if anyone other than Vanessa even had her files to begin with.
Even if we accept that the 1-6 is still canon and was just recreated by the rogue indie developer, we still have a huge problem. Were things exactly the same, or just the main plot points?
If everything really was exactly the same, how did the indie developer know so many intricate details about the appearance of characters and locations? Not to mention that FNAF 4 can't have happened in a dream or a hallucination of a known character, *and* have the indie developer know about it.
If the indie developer didn't know intricate details, then that means that so much information in those games is wrong and questionable, from blueprints, exact words spoken, character appearances, layouts of the different locations, dates things happened. That invalidates basically every existing theory.
Not to mention, what about the games with multiple endings? If the rogue indie developer was making the games based on real events, it means that one ending actually happened and the others were just ones he made up. This means that commonly used pieces of evidence like the lights in the masks' eyes in FNAF 3, the box, and the SL safe room have no relation to the canon.
So long as the indie developer exists, it's impossible for everything we've seen in 1-6 to also be canon.
25:14 if I hear any more discussion/complaints about RID (Rouge Indie Dev) I'm gonna send a strongly worded letter to Scott himself.
The "Rouge indie dev" was just flavor text used in the intro to explain why people in universe still back Freddy's, RID is and was never supposed to be an earth shattering conclusion that breaks the lore in half. RID's involvement in the story starts with the company [who is known to, and has evrey motive to lie.] showing him in a disclaimer, and ends with a character saying that RID was some rando hired by Faz Entertainment to make games to profit off of and distract people from the events of the story already happening.
Which events happened? ALL OF THEM. The story didn't reset itself, people just took a cheap cover up from a garbage company to heart and never decided to investigate further. Both in story and out
YES! Thank you! I so appreciate your words. I still can't believe there are people out there who are still clueless about it. Help Wanted made it clear that the past events *did* in fact, happen. Tape Girl even plainly states that the whole thing was an elaborate coverup to discredit the past rumors. Sure, there's the issue of how the Indie Developer came across this information, but the games' events themselves still happened as depicted.
How everyone keeps missing that is beyond me.
As a Monty fan, I really sympathize with him and relate to him, He's my favorite FNAF character and I really hope he gets treated better and more screentime in the future, I really do hope he does have a sympathetic side to him, The game had us thinking Roxy was a narcissistic diva who only cares for herself and that's it, But then Ruin came along and it showed us who Roxy truly was under the mask, A kind and caring sweetheart, Seeing Roxy get a redemption arc like that made me happy, But it also made me feel bad for the other two, I really hope Monty didn't die, I think that Monty did kill Bonnie, But not the reason that people think, I think Monty was hacked into killing Bonnie, The Storyteller books state that Monty was harmless before he got hacked, And when he got hacked he became much more aggressive and destructive which could've made him kill Bonnie, If he was never hacked, He would've never done it in the first place, I also believe it could be the other way around, Bonnie could've been the first Glamrock to be hacked and Monty killed him out of self defense protecting a lost child who became one of the missing children, And the reason he hates Freddy could be that Freddy was hacked too at the time, Yeah the books also state that Freddy was hacked before too, I think that Freddy killed the child that Monty tried to save, Which could explain his huge hatred toward him, I really think there's more to Monty than meets the eye, I know these theories might sound a little far fetched, But it's just what I think, Don't hate me, I think it would be boring if his story was just he was petty and wanted to be in the band, I really think Monty deserves a redemption arc, Same with Chica, I really hope he returns in the HW2 DLC and hopefully we get a prequel showing what really happened between the two of them.
19:00 coldest take: Beast should have stayed as Beast instead of turning back to boring generic prince.
7:45 Ayyy I made it into the video! =D
I should probably mention that the "my precious" thing was just an overexaggeration/joke about how some people seem to romanticize the Mimic. I was mostly venting a lot of frustration with the character and seeing a lot of other people who have similar thoughts on them since posting that has been super relieving, regardless of how significantly colder my take is now as a result. XD And yeah, totally fair and completely understand why you didn't want to like the Mimic. Still looking forward to your Mimic video!
There were a lot of takes I really enjoyed in this, my favorite was the one about Tales from the Pizzaplex because I think they're onto something with that. Thinking about the Bobbiedots story, it WAS split into multiple parts and even then the pacing and certain events that happened feel... let's say mishandled as a catch all word for it. Stuff like that really does make you wonder if it was intended to be a much larger story before it had to be split apart.
I've been knee-deep in fandoms where characters get woobie names, so I could've been totally convinced. XD
And thank you! 83
I still hate happy frog. But I love your opinion. And the bobbiedots was weird to say the least
Oh Hi Guardian, Didn't expect to see you here my friend XD
@@kuroryuken Oh hey there lmao
I don't mind the sci-fi elements of Sister Location, I personally never have. In fact, I think it's kinda funny how people cherrypick the SL bots as being unrealistic, ignoring the fact that the animatronics- ever since the first game- could walk. In the 90s. With how hard bipedal locomotion is for a robot even NOW, that's slightly ridiculous in itself, right?
I know it could be that they're only able to from the haunted element, but even that is kind of a speculative guess that causes problems of its own
Sure but suspension of disbelief can only go so far. My issue with the SL robots isn't that they are too advanced necessarily, but it's strange how they were apparently created in the 80s yet look far more futuristic than the Freddy band from the 90s.
@@sophitiaofhyrule Let's just say William had his style
Hot take: the hot take about new fnaf being too kids friendly is so silly.
It usually comes from people who were kids/teens when they got into fnaf 1 when it came out, I wonder how they got into it if it wasn't for kids. And the main argument is always "there is no blood in new fnaf", when in the old fnaf blood was just some pixels in a few minigames and one game over screen with an eyeball. But it's always being said with a face like there were Warhammer levels of blood.
In reality modern fnaf has just as many dark themes and ideas like the old one, but with more accent on characters that are involved in it. Blood is not mandatory to tell a dark story.
And Vanny's knife wasn't deleted. She had it only on the art, but there is no mention of it in the cutcontent as far as i'm aware.
The only argument that is left here is that SB poster might have more appeal to kids, which i guess is kinda fair.
I hope that mimic can at least get a foot higher than the hole it has right now. It’s never reaching ground level but it deserved everyone involved with his plot deserved a lot better.
okay, one thing i rarely see people bring up but i think should be said, is that while it's cool that Scott always made new models for every game (for the most part, this isnt including the recolours) because it showed he actually put some effort into the games, it ultimately is and was a detriment at several points since it creates timeline issues and just other inconsistencies.
like for example Golden Freddy. it's implied that the Golden Freddy suit from FNAF2 was the one that the fifth kid was stuffed into, and i would argue it's pretty much confirmed because of the death minigames, but then in the first game, which chronologically takes place *AFTER* FNAF2, the Golden Freddy suit shows up again, but this time it's a clean and pristine version of the suit, which means they would have had to made a new Golden Freddy/Fredbear suit, decide they wouldnt use it, and leave it to just sit around, and it keeps being haunted. while that admittedly IS low hanging fruit because it's from the first two games and the story clearly wasnt thought through all the way yet at that point, i still think it shows how it does lead to inconsistencies because of the new models.
my second example for this is how Springtrap went from... well, Springtrap, to Scraptrap. i could absolutely see that the suit would get more damaged and lose an arm, and things like that, but not how he would also somehow had gotten new feet for his fursuit, a whole new head, and also change up the whole body shape. did he find another broken down Spring Bonnie? i wouldnt think so since (at least i think) it's implied that there was only one Spring Bonnie, so did he make new parts himself? i feel like it would be very hard to make a whole new suit that is just as, if not more, broken down than the original, while wearing the original suit and also being dead. why even bother making a new suit if it's supposed to be *MORE* broken? i think it would have worked much better if Scott had kept the original Springtrap model and then just changed it up and withered it even more. it would have saved a lot of how the character is viewed and also would not have made people just mock the design and not take William Afton seriously. it's like Scott didnt even reference his old Springtrap model at all and just remade it from memory, resulting in the peanut headed monster we got in Pizza Sim. it also would have saved the other scrap designs in the game i feel, like Molten Freddy could have been more accurate to the original Funtime Freddy, and Scrap Baby could have looked much better if the original model was reused in part, maybe have Baby reuse part of the head and part of the torso, but having to replace some parts with scrap metal. it would have been much more obvious that they were the same characters, just from a later date.
like i appreciate the effort that was put into making the characters feel fresh and new, but it loses a lot of that appreciation when the characters are barely recougnisable as the original character but at a later date. i feel like the only time it actually worked that they got new models was with FNAF2, since i could realistically see how the withered animatronics were just recycled and had entirely new "casings" made, so that the characters werent all broken down, but pretty much no other character that got a whole new model works in that same way. im not even going to count FNAF4 in there since that was supposed to be a nightmare-ified version of the animatronics, they werent going to look accurate to the original animatronics anyways. sorry for this comment being an essay, its in my nature to write too much when i care about something and i have thoughts about it, and things like this for some reason needs a lot of words to be expressed properly.
Hot take: Scott should never again directly confirm any FNAF lore. I can't think of a single instance in which Scott, or his subsidiaries, directly confirming a single lore detail actually made things any clearer. In fact, it often makes things more difficult by creating misconceptions through logical extension.
For example, the Nightmarionne was said to specifically be non-canon by Scott himself. While this might have some implications about the Crying Child's relationship to the puppet, it has a larger overall chilling effect concerning the Halloween update characters as a whole.
I think Dreadbear being an obvious parallel to Fredbear actually has significance. Everything about the Dreadbear DLC feels like an analog to things in the story. The house on the hill and the red lake. Dreadbear's emergence from the lake and his entrance to the nearby cabin. The It's me easter egg in the cabin. The cabin's proximity to the house and it hosting a birthday party setup makes it an obvious parallel for Fredbear's Family Diner. Dreadbear probably serves as a key to unlocking the lore of one of the least understood characters in the franchise, Golden Freddy.
Dreadbear and his ilk, however, are woefully under-analyzed primarily because the Nightmarionne's confirmed non-canonicity is often blanketed over all the Halloween update characters.
In conclusion... Scott should make the nightmarionne a real entity and never confirm or deconfirm lore again. (I miss the puppet-type noodly characters).
Hot Take: I actually like the switch in Baby’s personality from Sister Location to Pizzeria Simulator….with proper thematic context! I like the idea that when Baby got the chip taken out of her, that represented the Baby AI, the good part, the part of Baby that hated Afton and knew what he did. In Pizzeria Simulator, all that is left is Elizabeth’s soul inside Baby, who is still Afton’s baby girl, and maybe even feels like she has to serve Afton because he was right all along, and if she had listened to him, she wouldn’t have died. (No evidence for that, just my own head cannon). I think it’s a great shift creating kind of split personality character where one is awake, and knows Afton is evil and the other is totally misguided and not aware. Even before they split, I always like the dichotomy of the Baby AI being so smart and cunning but Elizabeth taking over at time and making Baby use words kids would use, like “dummy”. It makes you wonder how many actions were solely either Baby or Elizabeth.
But it ruins what she could have been. A great manipulative villain, a succesor to Afton. Instead she became a sidekick. At least the Fazbear Frights does her somewhat justice.
You know I just thought of a cool theory. What if Monty is angry at himself? What if he knows he’s being controlled and can’t do anything about it, or has the memories of being controlled. Imagine how that must feel. unable to control your body,hurting people you don’t wanna hurt(like Bonnie)so he’s angry at himself,he cuts himself off from the band,throwing rage fits,and doing all things we see him do in game.
Hot take: the VHS tapes is why people think the series is super gorey and is trying too tryhard. I rather slow and calm horror than having the payoff being a blood geyser
For me Monty is charming because of the lack of story he has. Besides his cool design, and atleast a few flaws and interest given, he is the perfect blank slate to imagine things and write the story you feel like he should have had.
Sure it doesn't make him any better for the actual lore- but it made him a new thing for the fans and something to be talking about/ to fangirl over I guess.
For anyone that wants to give up on the franchise like i did and move on, i recommend writing your own idea of what the story should've been about, currently, i am working on a game inspired by Security Breach but with my own ideas and based on one of my favorite horror films. And i am using fnaf as an example of what NOT to do when writing a story, keep it simple at first then add more details along the way, but make sure it is CONSISTENT. I love Cawthon as an inspiration but as a writer he's infuriating. Playing mind games isn't going to help anyone figure it out.
AU?
Here's a hot take I have for you
I hate Cassie's relationship with Roxy, it's both forceful and pointless to the point it's frustrating why the hell would Steel Wool put this in a horror game about a killer animatronic? I know Jason Topolski said in an interview with FuhNaff that they wanted Cassie to be a foil for Gregory by helping the animatronics, but what was the Idea of making Roxy (an abusive and murderous character who can cause harm even when Glitchtrap isn't controlling her) a good guy????? WHY? I mean all Chica got was her voice box and didn't do anything to help Cassie. Was this supposed to be irony that Roxy hates Gregory and likes Cassie or something?
Abusive and murderous😭?
I think you just don’t like Roxy and that’s okay😭
my interest in Fallfest is entirely dependent on if any of the characters get any sort of motivations outside of fan theories and alternate universes
I think the reason why people want Fall Fest 1970 (or at least why I would like it), is because it gives them a chance to concretely establish the early timeline. We're still living on a mound of assumptions and potential book parallels. To be shown this is a chance to finally clarify and put to rest a good section of the lore, as opposed to charging full steam into the future and just convoluting it further. With that said, if they choose to introduce a lot of unrelated nonsense with no connection or clarification, then that would also suck.
After hearing that rant and looking at the alley picture, it looks almost like Scrap Baby has roller-crocs on
Been subscribed to your channel for awhile, and I love your videos.
I had quite a few Hot Takes to submit here, but most of them are topics that have already been discussed is past Hot Take videos (such as "Evil Gregory being REALLY DUMB", "Roxy is Overrated", and the "Novel Canonicity Controversary.")
Instead, I will discuss a topic that no one seems to be bringing up: Steel Wool Studios, themselves.
While I am a big fan of Security Breach and Help Wanted, and fully support what they do...they REALLY need to do better in handling their games.
Not only does the PS4 version of Help Wanted have a game crashing glitch that makes completing the "Blacklight" version of Foxy Repair impossible (not sure if the PS5 Re-release has this, I haven't reached that point yet.)
But Security Breach, while now playable, still has some odd glitches that can end hours of progress if you are not careful (I speak of the infamous "7AM Bug", where charging stations are disabled.)
I hear a Fan Mod is coming out called "The Remains", which will restore all of the cut content of Security Breach. Which makes me wonder why Steel Wool doesn't just release an official Director's Cut of Security Breach as they originally intended, with ALL of the cut content completed and restored.
I am certain fans would clamor for that (I certainly would pay full price for it!)
Forgive me if this is a hot enough take, but it is something that irks me.
I know for a fact it’s been said but the graphic novel design for afton is my least favourite version of him ever. The only thing I see is the “imposter is SUS” face when I look at him. It frankly would have been way scarier for him to look like an average businessman, since that’s what his facade is in the first place.
What I find funny about that is that if he looks like that in the games it means Michael looks like that as well 😂😂😂
I love hearing a bunch of spicy takes from the fandom, despite repeatedly being burned by not being included in one of these videos. Oh well, there's always next time. And the next time. And the next time.
In any case, I'm actually on board with you and Fall Fest. Every single FNAF theorist, ESPECIALLY RyeToast, is obsessing over the idea of the next game being Fall Fest without taking into account that what Steel Wool does with the story next by going back might genuinely ruin stuff even more. We already have The Mimic and the botched order of the MCI kids. Who knows what they'll do to the story in the past? They'll probably make it so The Mimic is actually the most important character in the history of FNAF and demand that you be invested in it like so many of its insane fans. Admittedly, that's a worst-case scenario, but anything could happen with this franchise, even the stuff that reasonably shouldn't. I swear, if they actually put Mimic on that pedestal, I will become Jeff the Killer.
Thing is, I don't know how much freedom Steel Wool has with the story. The way the games barely have story makes me wonder if they're like limited with what they can do- like that whole Paper Mario can't have unique characters thing from a few years ago, lol.
But sorry you haven't been picked yet! I get a LOT of Hot Takes- I don't even see most of 'em, so sometimes they get missed out on. Hopefully I'll find 'em!
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 I'll keep trying. Persistence pays off in the end by my experience.
Also, given that Scott let them gut Security Breach's original story, imply the order of the kids in Help Wanted 2, and make the games we played in-universe games, I'd say they have at least a good amount of control over the story.
Personally, I love Monty because of headcannons (One of which being part of all the animatronics issues are a response to Bonnie's death: Chica stress eating/being overly happy (she has crying voicelines only done when she thinks shes alone), Roxy scared of being replaced like he was, Freddy pretends he didn't exist and maybe is over chipper, and Monty is stuck in the anger phase of grief (he skips shows, why would he break Bonnie to get into the main band just to avoid the shows?)) and that- I can't take Monty seriously. He's a MINI-GOLFING GATOR! "You can hide, but you can't hide!"? His autistic t-rex arms walk cycle? If Chica can cry, if Roxy can care, if Freddy can get serious, then Monty can be more then just His anger. And I choose to believe behind the hack he is a silly goofball more in line with his half-lidded and chill cardboard cutouts
I typed this because, idk I wanted to explain my reasoning for liking him. I completely understand the people that don't like him, we do only see anger in game and again, most of what I love is headcannon and sillyness :P
I seriously love the interpretation that a lot of Monty’s “bad behavior” is due to Bonnie’s death. One of the most interesting paths I think they could’ve gone down is that Monty DID kill Bonnie, but it was because Bonnie was the first one “infected” by the mimic/glitchtrap and he either ordered Monty to kill him or Monty killed him thinking it would be able to save the rest of them. His behavior really lines up so well with grief, I can’t see a guy who would kill another in cold blood to join a band just… skipping out on performances. Especially since one of the static ball racks in the room Bonnie was found in during Ruin had a bowling ball of Monty on it, implying that the ball had been there since Bonnie was brought into the room and that Monty was literally already in the band when Bonnie was destroyed. IDK, I feel like a lot of Monty haters don’t understand that a big appeal for Monty IS that he’s underutilized. It’s so fun to think about different possibilities with him.
Pls, just let the old story in the past, i swear if the mimic is now an important part of the old lore i'm going to snap
Why? Even if it's in the original story, it's role is non-existent. Just an idea of Fazbear Entertainment trying to mass produce the Mimic, and it backfiring, causing them to cover up anything that has to do with it. That's it.
That MXES and Puppet fusion design hits really hard and that would have been a new character.
I totally agree with you on your Fall Fest take, and it’s kind of my Hot Take with the series and especially the theorists and fan base: we should be looking forward and future main games should be about new things, not showing off the past. The most recent popular Fnaf video going around by Dual Process Theory going over the first 6 games is really cool and it’s a great video, but I wish people cared more about the future than the past. I think the best thing would be if we had a new Fall Fest (like Fall Fest 2035 or whatever) and it alludes to the 70’s Fall Fest, but it’s more the background lore than the story being actively told.
Love all your stuff, I use your videos as background while I work, so keep up the good work ❤
These takes were so hot, my phone actually heated up when it got to the first one.
Now that's what I call authenticity!
Hot take : Scott won't confirm any lore because he knows thats 90% of the reason a lot of people "tune in" between him and the gentleman from steelwool's interviews with Dawko. Literally the ONLY thing we learned was that steelwool is doing a game earlier in the timeline (which looks like were going to find out more about the mimic) and that SB Is so disjointed because Scott didn't give them a clear direction which lead to them accidentally putting springtrap/ burntrap in the game. (Which tbf Lines up with his last one which states that if anything doesnt make sense they'll clarify it in the next game) which is probably why they just airdropped the mimic into Ruin.
I think would've been better if instead of making Monty super angry they made him like a laid back surfer dude because he's portrayed as laid back so maybe he could be super lazy and not participate in shows and stuff and he could have the eye upgrades instead of Roxy and Roxy could have something to do with hearing(cuz wolf's can hear well)cuz then it's see no evil,hear no evil,speak no evil
Yeah but it should also connect with their flaws,roxy is a prideful wolf and therefore lost her eyes
@@baisakhimukherjee7524 I forgot about that but it could be because she can no longer hear her own voice which she loves the sound of(No Roxie hate) and for Monty a mechanic could be where you distract him with a show or something(since he could be like a couch potato") but once you take his eyes you can no longer distract him and he's more aggravated and alert
@@cinderella0contrellayou do have a point how roxy loves to brag about herself,but the funniest thing in the base game Faz Friends uploaded a video showing how roxy hunts the worst of all 3 even her eyes are put on considering she has upgraded eyes ,it is quite embarrassing from a competitive perspective
I really like this I might use it (if you don’t mind)
@@Unknowncameraman15 not at all just credit me please!
I think I have an interesting take on why the mimic creates so much volatile disgust in people, such as you and myself. (This is a random place to put this idea but this is your most recent video so I imagine I have the best chance of reaching you here.)
My hypothesis is that the mimic essentially represents everything wrong with FNAF's storyline from the beginning. We have so many events that feel like they're "looping", identical events occur which "mimic" ones that we've already seen. We have characters, plot points and designs which all call back to the past but are just different enough that they're something... not quite new but, distinct? It makes things feel more and more tired over time.
Anyway, the mimic is basically that made manifest in a literal way in universe. A being which can literally mimic anyone in whatever way is convenient for the plot, and can patch up plot inconsistencies which come to exist exclusively due to an intentional obtuseness by the developers. The thing is just a walking plot device, but worse, it is THE definitive walking plot device.
The plot has been mimicking itself ad nauseum for years, and this feels like jumping the shark of sharks in that trend. It makes manifest this mimicking trend in universe in a literal way.
I didn’t see the community post.. welp only gotta wait a month for the next one, keep up with the great vids! ❤
To me the mimic symbolizes a return to FNAF 4's looseness of plot, even moreso than Vanny. Anything can be retconned or cut at any moment so there's no point trying to theorize.
It's been 10 years and we don't even have a name for major plot relevant characters. Every time we've gotten close to understanding stuff Scott starts making major rewrites to drag things out. The FNAF lore is just going to be a wild goose chase until the series fizzles out.
A) FELT the puppet one. i miss charlie so much. B) You’re kinda real with the fall fest 1970. Personally, I am HYPED, i want to go back and see the circus and everything, but your points also make me a little scared. I wish the Steel Wool era wasn’t a direct continuation, but more of an AU/rewrite of the series. It would just make more sense and have the fnaf6 ending actually mean something. And a rewrite would be fun! It would allow the franchise to fully delve into the sci-fi it is now but wasn’t originally. It’d… really just fix a lot, actually. And I can live in peace with the two storylines. (This accidentally became my own hot take, haha)
I know this is late, but I feel like I had a eureka moment that I had to share:
I feel like sister location woulda benefitted more from the story format of security breach. It would allow us to actually establish more story and lore while developing the Afton families relationship.
Crying child, Michael, and Elizabeth's relationship to William could've been explored more and we could get more time to allow Baby to establish her deceptive personality.
And you can do a lot more visual storytelling of the evils that William was doing. Like what if Michael found the FNAF 4 room and saw the nightmare animatronics. What if we got more lore on the ghosts inside the Mediocre Melodies?
Like theres a lot of ways that a bigger game woul've improved sister location.
If I’m not too late here’s a hot take that was sorta already talked about.
The idea that Fnaf has become too kid friendly isn’t fully true to me (there’s things like the designs and creepy settings that do bring back old Fnaf feeling), but it is lacking slightly compared to other games like it.
For comparison, Bendy has things like sacrifices and torture on creatures with Wilson and his experiments, characters being stabbed and killed in gruesome ways (looking at you Ink Demon, with your appetite for people), and some decently easy, yet creepy mutilation (projectionist beheaded, Audrey ripped from her legs, etc.)
Even other games have had moments like this like Poppy, who had Mommy Long Legs crushed in a grinder, Dogday ripped in half and used like Michael and Ennard in SL, and whatever is going on with the Prototype. All of these are good ways to make a darker game, yet Fnaf hasn’t had that in a while (only things I can think of being the kill Vanny ending, the idea that we’re stuffed in Mask bot in HW2, and the animatronics being destroyed in SB slightly)
If Fnaf wants to become truly scary again, I think it needs to implement things seen in the books, despite my best judgment as the books can be convoluted. I recently saw a thing for one of the Mimic stories where they discover it in the warehouse and rebuild it, then it attacks, and I generally haven’t been disturbed by something in this franchise for a while, with the depictions of organs being ripped apart and bone turning into dust with the blink of an eye.
If Fnaf can bring something like this into the games, I think it could truly be scary again. Or just put it in the movie, that works too. Sorry for the long rant, this is just something I wanted to get all the info out for.
A little late to the party, but here's my two cents: Circus Baby's character was NOT assassinated in Pizzeria Simulator.
I think a big reason why people assume this comes from a misunderstanding as to what being "put back together" means. In my interpretation of the franchise, it means having your spirit take full control over your animatronic body, of which there are several ways. The first of which is when you die with enough agony/loneliness/I haven't gotten that far in the books yet, which allows you to immediately become "aware" like Charlie and Cassidy were over the Puppet and Fredbear. The second is having your scattered memories reconstructed by an outside party like what happened to the crying child with Happiest Day (I think he speaks as himself through Nightmare Fredbear in UCN for the record), and the third has to do with the animatronic's AI.
The reason why the withereds are fooled by the mask in FNAF 2 isn't because the spirits of the kids think you're just a suit, it's because the AI of the animatronic is overriding the animalistic instinct of the soul. Unless you are "aware", you are restricted to what your programming lets you do.
Baby in Sister Location follows this rule as well. She wants nothing more than to escape the compound and is totally fine with killing who she thought was William because those are the desires of the robot. It's only when Mike physically removes the AI chip from inside of her in Night 5 that Elizabeth slowly starts to take over. By Pizza Sim, Baby's will is completely absent, and now what's left is Elizabeth who doesn't want to harm her father. She's literally not Baby anymore, that part of the robot is gone. If she kept up the act and tried to kill William after Mike put her back together, _that_ would be out of character, because SL Baby is the animatronic, and Pizza Sim Baby is Elizabeth. So I guess in a way Baby _was_ assasinated, but in a much more literal sense as her original AI no longer exists. Sorry for the long ramble, I just think it's worth defending what is often a heavily criticized character shift that I'm personally in support of. You make really great content, keep it up!
My hot take is that the people who said they have Mimic fatigue are being hypocrites since people said the same exact thing about Afton. How Afton is constantly re-used over and over again, and the explanations for why he keeps coming back is becoming absurd to the point where Glitchtrap being Afton also just breaks its own lore entirely. If we ignore the entire books and pretend they don't exist, Afton is supposed to be in Hell. That was what UCN was about. Afton trapped in his own personal Hell being tortured for eternity. But no, he comes back as a virus and wants to recreate his old corpse and boss some woman around to do his bidding. Why? Afton keeps coming back and his deaths become more and more pathetic to be point where he's becoming a big joke. He's no longer a threat, just someone who comes back, dies, comes back, dies, comes back, dies.
I think the biggest difference between Afton and the Mimic is that Afton was there from the start and ppl are used to his presence. The Mimic is relatively new and not as many ppl are cool with a new random character with no actual weight to the plot taking centre stage and snubbing all possible expansion ideas.
That Scrappy Neutron image has been around for a good few years
Oh boy here we go...here are my FNaF hot takes!
1.) To be honest, I personally like Gregory more than Cassie. Now before you (or I guess any Cassie super fans) get on my case, allow me to elaborate. While I can give Cassie credit for having personality and have her own quirks to her character, there's a line where I can't. To me, she feels like Steel Wool's belated response to criticism of Gregory having little to no personality, but in doing so, (at least for me) took away what she manages to accomplish in Ruin. Sure, she explores a ruined (baah dum deesh) PizzaPlex, possibly permanently deactivated Monty, and...I guess finding out the Mimic...existed? But other then that? She only accomplishes in falling for Mimic's Tomfoolery and getting herself trapped. But with Gregory? In my opinion at least...while he doesn't have much of a personality (I still blame the fans for the mass rushing of Steel Wool for rushing Security Breach's development, but thats just me), he makes up for what he manages to accomplish during Security Breach. I mean cmon, a 14 year old kid managed to survive six hours inside of a huge Pizza mall, with three killer robots meant to entertain kids all 10 times bigger then him, yet he managed to break them down and upgrade the only robot that wasn't out to whack him and even explored some hell hole with deranged robot staff bots and a serial killer in a skin tight fur suit. Seriously, that not a protagonist, that's a friggin' legend! But that may just be me liking results rather then the general character arc of said character.
2.) To be honest, I personally don't like that they made William and the Aftons British. I'm not against characters just being British, but I don't understand as to WHY they've made William British. It just never made sense to me.
3.) And finally and possibly my longest hot take, The Mimic SUCKS! I'm personally not a fan of copycat killers, well, not copycat killers as a concept, but when copycats are done so blatantly copied and pasted, it's not really an actual character, but just a previous character with a new coat of paint. For me, Mimic just feels like Afton only if Afton lost all part of whatever left was human about him, and is just ROBOT. Back onto the copycat topic, you CAN make a copycat killer WORK! Take for instance the Scream movies, with every character who becomes Ghostface being different then the last. (I won't spoil any of the movies for you if you hadn't watched any of them). Vanny could've been perfect for this, since Vanny could've been some true crime freak obessed with William's crimes and wanted to make her own twisted legacy or even just his legacy, but make her own. Like maybe instead targeting kids she goes after Security Guards or hunting for surviving 80s kids who were related to the original victims. But unfortunately no, we just got that hot pile of trash: Mimic.
I apologize for the long comment, I just wanted to express my hot takes. Hope this gets on the next Hot Take video, take care!
Hot take: I fully believe that Moon only jumpscares you because he finds it funny, rather than because he actually has malicious intent towards you.
Hot take: The Fnaf Community has gotten very toxic after Security Breach. Now I think you can make an argument that the community was toxic before 2021, but I'm not here to talk about that. Older Fnaf Fans have been/were saying that the newer Fans, "aren't real fans' ' or "not as good". As an older fan, it made me quite uncomfortable. When the fnaf movie was coming out, I would see memes about how the new fans would be so grossed out at the springlock scene and the old ones were "sO MaTuRe" and "those babies can't handle it". Tho these could have been just jokes, but jokes at the newer fans expense. Now to their credit I also did not like that SB was censored and kid friendly. Also Release of Fnaf Plus and the VHS tapes didn't help the situation either. I really hope this gets in the video, for me, and for this community.Thank you for listening and have a Fazeriffic day...
The thumbnail I can’t 😂 anyways great content as always and I’m curious what’s your next video? Anyways bye bye and here’s to perhaps a cooler rest of the summer 🐻❤️
I was going to do a solely Mimic one, but I suddenly had the idea to do one that involves Mimic, Vanny, and the Daycare Attendant. So, we'll see how it goes!
Hot take incoming!
Scraptrap's concept is lackluster. Even if you fix the design problems, a beaten up william afton who is barely standing isn't that threatening, especially if you compare him to the killing machine that scrap baby is. Imo we should have gotten an upgraded version of scraptrap, a version of springtrap that got destroyed by the fire, and then patched his suit and upgraded his body with different animatronic parts (from across the first 5 games)
to become an actual THREAT. His name would be stitchtrap due to the stitches on his body, his missing arm would be replaced with a dangerous tool that he could use to attack with like a foxy hook or a nightmare sharp claw ect, and he would basically be like a Frankenstein monster, just like how springtrap is like a zombie and scraptrap is like a walking skeleton.
19:30 I don't know if he ever did romance but was the book perhaps by Brian Jacques? He also wrote the Redwall series which is similarly infamous for very detailed mouth-watering descriptions of food
I have a hot take. I feel like Fall Fest 1970 is probably going to tie the daycare attended to some way because he's the popular character right now. You know, like some story that he was there from the beginning and probably unintentionally helping William Afton with his murders, and maybe having a plot twist that he was the first sentient animatronic before the Funtime.
Honestly, I'd prefer that over the Mimic because at least with him he's somewhat distinct from William. He's not copying him or infected by him (to the point of wearing a rabbit suit), he's just a very intense clown.
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 how much do I like the idea of a circus Thai restaurant on going back to the beginning of the story as long as they do something interesting with it from a different perspective that's not the five missing children incident I feel like they're going to do something very stupid with the daycare attendance in the future game
I don't know If you'll ever do one of these again but I'm kicking myself that I didn't come up with this one sooner. The music of fnaf is SERIOUSLY underated. Maybe because it can be pretty low key, but what is there is all incredibly varied while still feeling cohesive. Peices that induce dread like watch your 6 and venta black, pieces that carry a sense of mystery and exploration like caught in a loop, but my favorites are the simple piano heavy tracks that just lay the scene's emotion bare like the one that plays during fnaf 3's good ending and the one that plays during SL custom night's final cutscene. That last one's my personal favorite.
Heres one of mine: Recently I was watching a video on a mimic and I realized how absurd all this is. Like I can't think of any other series that does this. Its extremely weird how she games just don't completely connect, but its hand waved away because "oh this is fnaf and its supposed to be so complicated. If it were any other series it would be pretty unacceptable. (This is manly stemming from the mimic vs burntrap debate)
Hot take: I think a good way to tie in the mimic and make it feel less “forced” is if the mimic1 program was put inside springtrap when the fazbears freights people found him. Think about it, they probably assumed this old broken thing wouldn’t work at all, so they probably wrote something up to make it work again (not knowing that Afton was possessing it). This would explain why the obviously fake children’s laugh diversion works on Afton, the program of the machine is forcing him to follow the vocal cues. After Afton’s spirit is sent to UCN, all that’s left is the mimic program, which they scan into Help Wanted.
Just in case we do another video I’m throwing in my Take again:
The story needs to be started back up from scratch with different diversions in the timeline. Mike gets bit instead, CC posses FunTimeFred, Elizabeth and Charlie survives to adulthood, Henry becomes the main Villain and gets SpringLocked in GoldenFreddy…
So many possibilities if you just go back to the beginning and start anew completely.
(Hot-take below this) The person publicly admitting to not liking Sun when the DCA Sub-fandom is so ravenous, has some serious fazballs.
Now my hot-take, which honestly might be kinda lukewarm- Eclipse should have been split into two. One could be more like the evil one we see in the arcade machine, perhaps “Solar” could have been how to differentiate it from the Eclipse that we got in ruin, which could have been “Lunar”. Solar could be a looming threat with Moon, maybe they could mess with the players tech and such since we originally see what could be them in an arcade machine, while Lunar would pair with Sun, acting like the Eclipse we have now.
Maybe we could have eventually met a sprite of Solar, they could fully infect whatever tech we tried to use and the sprite would taunt us. (Would also be super cool if they had 4 arms, just because)
And Lunar could have maybe tried to warn us about their *own* dark side, Solar, and maybe we could have gotten some kind of interaction between the two Eclipses.
I also wouldn’t have minded if Eclipse had just been evil in general, no “Lunar” to counterbalance, just evil bastard Eclipse with a design closer to the Balloon World Eclipse, preferably still a sprite though.
(TSAMS fandom this has nothing to do with us, do not misunderstand my words-)
I know I’m late to drop a take, but I just had to say it. I still love the Eclipse we got, don’t get me wrong, he’s such a pathetic wet cat- but I love villain characters more than I love innocent cinnamon roll characters =w=
Imma also be putting this into every hot-take video after this to increase the odds of people seeing my concept TwT
My Take: I wish Vanny was the main villain of Security breach; and I hate the stupid secret twin twist.
It’s obvious that that twist was added to screw with theorists. Considering the Vanny Meter that was going to be added. Where Officer Vanessa would disappear and Vanny would appear.
I personally think Vanny is scarier than Burntrap. She gives me, ironically, kind of a Silent Hill feeling when I look at her, who here remembers the Silent Hill 3 Rabbit?
And I think the game would be cooler: if when you shattered the Animatronics, they were actually out of the picture, and instead; Vanny became more frequent, maybe she starts trying new tactics like traps and ambushes. She isn’t a robot, she is a human capable of improvising, and the game should’ve capitalized on that.
Burntrap honestly added nothing to the story for me, I don’t care if it is or isn’t the Mimic. I don’t care. A possessed/influenced follower of AI Afton was much more interesting, and I love her creepy design.
This ain't related to the hot takes, but I really appreciate the classic Simpsons references you make. Pretty please keep doing them 🙏🏾
Hot take: After FNaF 3 Scott cant make a good villain. After fire in Fazbear Frights William, and Childrens souls that were finally free after decades of sadness and fear with just perfect ending. Then we get FNaF SL and Circus Baby...great charcater with actually awesome motives just to become an epispde villain...yeah, but hey! he comes back second time, just to say some "creepy" scenteces that dont even have sense in FFPS in game that supposed to be the last in this franchise, then he also somehow survive and his mind was scanned for some reason, I am not joking can someone tell me why the hell Fazbear Entertwinment went to burned Pizzeria just to scann burned to dust parts, really? You think its the last time you see purple guy, you know whats will be "funny" if he came back in form as a robot ( that we never heard about) as a Mimic, so know we have to forget about Vanny that could do his purpuse of main villain better with better story telling from HW1 tapes which gave us actual lore , but no ...I guess AI with voice changer is better even if We dont know anything about it, we dont know why he was even built (in game)
The whole “fnaf has gotten too kid friendly” is a really wild ride depending on who’s talking lol, but I completely agree with security breach, like, seriously? It seemed steel wool and Scott were terrified at even hinting at the darkness fnaf is known for, the word “blood” being censored is just bizarre, like you mentioned, multiple kids and teen franchises have blood dark topics and dead bodies so having them not even mention anything is weird, especially when in help wanted we hear about a guy slicing his own face off, I wonder if it had to do with how security breach as a game is, it’s a free roam open world (kinda) game its story is direct and face front while in other games we have newspaper articles and audio logs telling the story so they could slip in the dark stuff but with security breach they got a bit scared with how direct it is but that doesn’t really make sense with how other franchises do it and how weird SBs story is lol
You don't need an excuse to talk about 9. I will definitely watch a video of yours on just about anything I can think of related to 9
tortellini on my weenie as a background song is insanity
WAKE UP PEOPLE ANOTHER NOTATALL HOT TAKES VIDEO DROPPED !!
17:32 As a wise man one said "while you're still sleeping the Saints are still weeping cuz things you call dead haven't yet had a chance to be born. I'm the scat man" (OMG this took me wya to long to understand. And I finally understood what she said until i typed it 😅)
As a monty fanboy, I can say that every monty simp doesn't know or care about his canon characterizations in the games
idk what this means but it's just is
As another Monty fan I for some reason do. I’ll always see him as a chill Floridian Alligator as opposed to anything else just because of how common Alligators are found in Florida. It just makes sense to me.
THANK GOD FOR YOUR HOT TAKE AT THE END 😭 I absolutely agree!! The "fall fest" is stupid in my opinion. I would love to know more details about the MCI but at the same time the mystery behind it is what makes it so fun!! Instead of a fall fest why can't we have a canon Fredbear's Family Diner game? Like another POV of the bite of 83?
Anyways~ here are some hot takes if you ever decide to make another one of these videos!
I absolutely hate Help Wanted 2's design for Ennard. He was my favorite character and I'm so so disappointed and also angry. Don't get me wrong, I wasn't too fond of Mr. Play-Doh either but at least he was accurate. Like, why the hell does Ennard have a second eye in the mask. In the original model he was missing one. Also his forehead is horrifically huge on the cameras during the private room level. Honestly, he kind of looks like Caillou. Look at a photo of original Ennard then look at Help Wanted 2 Ennard. HW2's isn't even shiny or anything!! He honestly still looks like play doh!! He definitely isn't the shiny toy plastic and/or metal as intended. Speaking of which the mask is just off entirely. His mouth is too far down. It makes him look like he has a heavy under bite. Looking at photos of original Ennard you can see that his bottom "teeth" are much less hidden as compared to this new model. I think the goofy-ness of this model can be highlighted in his jumpscare. I mean, just look at that forehead man... What the hell 😭😭
Speaking of abnormally long foreheads.. I have this same issue with Glamrock Bonnie. I see a lot of people hating on the design and I gotta say I have to agree. His face is just so ... ugly. His front teeth are way way too pointy. Same with his mussel (I'm not sure what else to call it). If he had a rounder mussel and teeth similar to those of Toy Bonnie he would look ADORABLE (also a shorter forehead lol)!!
I also really want them to take Security Breach off the shelves. Like honestly. If they just remade Security breach fnaf would be saved 😭😭 If we had Vanny as an actual villain then we wouldn't need all this mimic bull crap to make up for Afton. Help Wanted actually had a pretty solid idea of having the Afton virus or whatever control people. I actually kinda digged that and I want it back 😭 I would honestly do anything for a security breach remake or at least a polished demo version of the game before they changed the plot and everything (specifically before they changed Vanessa's character). I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Vanessa in the game and movie were supposed to be similar if not the same but of course they had to change it 😮💨😒